[02:49] anyone alive? [06:04] billybigrigger: i guess no ;p [06:12] any chance we're gonna see the shiki arc and gnome colors as default themes in karmic? [06:12] i've been using them for the last week or so and should definitely be installed and an option by default [06:13] i prefer them over human [06:13] and im sure lots of people do :P [06:25] billybigrigger: sudo apt-get install shiki-colors :) [06:26] yeah but, why isnt it installed by default [06:26] when a new user checks out appearance, those 4 colored themes should be there by default [06:26] Oh default for sure probably not [06:27] why? [06:34] because ubuntu isn't ever what we want it to be by default [06:35] its 4 themes [06:35] that look alot better than the default [06:35] and are practical [06:42] billybigrigger: and that is why they will never ship :P [06:42] oh the truth hurts haha [06:55] billybigrigger: kwwii_ was saying that they are thinking of using Humanity. [06:55] is that the one that uses the nodoka engine that doesn't work? [06:56] oh [06:56] thats not on the karmic art wiki [06:56] where can i find humanity? [06:57] billybigrigger: : http://sinecera.de/humanity-icon-theme_0.1_all.deb [06:57] thats the newest? [06:57] is there a ppa or anything for it to keep updated? [06:57] billybigrigger: wiki >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/elebuntu_Icons [07:03] oh i thought humanity was a gtk theme [07:03] not just iconset [07:06] i dont , think they will change the theme. [07:06] billybigrigger: new theme might be only for karmic+1 [07:07] bah humbug [07:10] billybigrigger: well that is what the UX team says! they might also change the brown color [07:10] good [07:10] so what is the art team canonical hired doing for karmic then? [07:10] nothing [07:10] ?? [07:11] billybigrigger: that is the silliest question i have heard! [07:11] well if they're not changing the theme for karmic [07:11] i thought mark said we're ditching brown for karmic? [07:12] billybigrigger: yes he did but he also said there wasnt enough time! you seem to be bordering on trolling! [07:12] haha what do you mean? [07:13] i my original question was about having shiki arc and gnome colors for 4 default themes [07:13] trash talking the canonical art team is not appropriate for this room [07:13] no no [07:13] i wasn't trash talking [07:14] i just thought an art team was hired for jaunty+1 and wondered why no change in karmic [07:14] im sorry if i offended you [07:14] i don't mean to come off as rude [07:14] FYI , it is not the art team, it is the UX team , UX=user experience [07:14] my bad [07:15] maybe i should sub to the mailing list to catch up on some stuff [07:15] billybigrigger: dont worry , i'm not working for canonical ;p [07:15] my info is outdated apparently [09:46] good morning === kwwii_ is now known as kwwii [09:47] w00t, I am back [09:49] good morning, kwwii [09:51] hi thorwil [09:52] * kwwii reads his email backlog...what fun! [10:07] thorwil: I just sent an email to our lawyer, we'll see what she says [10:07] kwwii: cool, ty [10:10] wow, creating a flickr group is a lot of work [10:11] kwwii: what, it's not just "add group" give a name and answer join requests? [10:13] well, there are rules and an icon ans uch [10:13] such [10:13] and such...man my spelling is poor this morning [10:14] may the spelling be with you later today! [10:14] :p [10:19] kwwii: back from spain ? [10:19] SiDi: yepp [10:19] how was it ? [10:20] excellent ;) [10:20] now I wish I would have stayed the rest of the week [11:05] http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-artwork/ is the revamped flickr group [11:05] maybe if everyone invites their friends and tell people about it we will get some new contributors [11:07] kwwii: should we advertise the group on social networkz ? [11:11] netsplit :o [11:27] SiDi: yes, please do ;) [11:27] several of the design team are going to blog about it, etc. [11:28] i'll post on facebook n identi.ca then [11:28] my blog is still offline [11:36] cool [11:44] lol, I forgot the password to my blog :p [11:45] shows how much I blog :p [11:47] :P [11:57] http://kwwii.blogspot.com/ [11:57] ta-da [11:57] * thorwil marks the day in calendar [12:00] so *that's* what you look like [12:01] :p [12:01] big and ugly [12:01] naahh [12:02] nah, at least not just a floating head like oh-so-many planet bloggers!! [12:02] actually, I am not in 99% of those photos [12:02] well you are in the profile photo... [12:02] ahhh, on the blog, right [12:02] yep [12:02] I was thinking of my flickr page [12:02] nah [12:03] wow, about 3,200 people have looked at my profile :p [12:04] http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/Museum/ [12:04] heh [12:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Archives [12:04] saw that already, it's a nice idea, but why no xubuntu... [12:04] hmm [12:05] what's xubuntu? [12:05] thorwil: did you make that logo? [12:05] they had asked me for one but I got too busy [12:05] kwwii: no [12:05] it's a sexy flavor of ubuntu :P [12:06] knome: does it come with a lingerie theme?? [12:06] thorwil, that's the xubuntu limited edition, with comes with a real lingerie [12:06] you must've messed those up [12:06] xfce edition [12:07] erm, not edition but flavor ;) [12:07] knome: fresh or used lingerie in the limited edition? [12:07] you can choose while ordering [12:08] wow! [12:08] you also can choose from red, one or black and from different sizes, of course [12:08] pink is doable, but it costs $10 extra [12:08] oh, i suspected blue-only [12:16] w00t, I received and answer from a lawyer within hours :p [12:28] hah [12:28] he must be a fake lawyer [12:30] kwwii: got it, thanks. of course "sign" is funny, if all we ask of everyone is to just claim to be the photographer/model of the submitted picture [12:31] well, in order to use someone photo we will really need a signed release form [12:31] I assumed that was clear [12:31] sorry [12:32] something to have in hand in case someone tries to sue us for using their image :) [12:32] kwwii: that needs to be on paper, sent to canonical, then? [12:34] thorwil: I am not sure, maybe a scanned copy is enough [12:36] wow, looking into it, there is a special release form for minors :p [12:37] so, looking at what istockphoto does, you can sign the release form and then upload that scanned copy [12:37] i know that istockphoto asks for signed model release forms for each and everyone [12:37] http://www.istockphoto.com/tutorial_9.0_modelrelease.php [12:37] lol [12:38] it does not say it has to be the original piece of paper though...just that it has to be a copy which was signed by hand [12:43] kwwii: so can we make this a very official project and your lawyer to prepare such model releases? [12:44] thorwil: well, I think we can take a normal model release form, fill in the right names, etc and then send it to her for review [12:44] well, both and adult version and a minor version [12:49] http://www.betterphoto.com/article.asp?id=37 seems to have a link to word docs [12:49] why am i doing this again? oh right, i'm not quite right in the head an think it's fun, somehow! :) [12:49] :p [13:07] thorwil: I will edit the ones on that page and send them to her and ask if that they are ok [13:10] kwwii: great! keep in mind that it's about having a permissive license in contrast to what stock sites and co do. thanks! [13:15] thorwil: sent...we will see what she says [13:17] kwwii: i have a draft call-for-submissions, though without the model release business so far. working on an illustration for it [13:21] cool [13:22] I guess that the model release is only needed for the ones which are picked to be included [13:22] yes, but i wouldn't consider submisions without it in the first place ... [13:25] yeah, you are probably right [13:25] in any case, the release forms should not be publicly vewable [13:25] viewable [13:27] meh [13:27] chromium having trouble with freenode's webir [13:27] c [13:29] kwwii: how about a special email address for submissions? bad regarding bandwidth, but something virtually everyone can handle [13:30] thorwil: true, we could use the ubuntu-art-devel list for that [13:33] kwwii: huh? what i had in mind was an everyone can post with big attachments list [13:34] i found a wikipage for the hall of fame [13:34] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/new_human_icons [13:58] lol, guess I will erase that [13:59] come on, you're weakening the community when you do such things :O [13:59] hehe [14:52] thorwil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfBlUQguvyw [14:52] really cool video of using multiple videos [14:52] time for a break, bbiab [16:06] wow, two responses from two lawyers in one day [16:06] thorwil: I sent them the release forms and they responded by saying that canonical has their own and that they will find them and send them to me [16:22] kwwii: canonical has cool lawyers ! [16:27] SiDi: no doubt, I already got another response with the release [16:27] that makes the legal team the most responsive team in canonical :p [16:28] thorwil: I will forward the release to you, there is a catch in it :( [16:28] meh [16:28] tthe SiDi fan team is responsive too [16:28] "the sidi fan team"? [16:29] yeh knome [16:29] im the main and unique member [16:29] but i keep hoping [16:29] haha.. [16:35] 0.0 [16:39] knome: wanna join ? D: [16:39] hmm... [16:39] let me think [16:39] * kwwii cooks dinner while thorwil reads his email [16:40] SiDi, maybe once you're ready to take credit for what you've done :] [16:40] knome: there is no credit i should take, what i do anyone else could do it [16:40] that's a bed excuse. [16:40] *BAD [16:40] damn it... [16:41] bed ? [16:41] My invitation to join was _only_ about the fan club knome ! [16:41] hehe.. [16:44] kwwii: awesome youtube video... amazing editing 0.0 [16:47] yeh i must say the concept is quire original [16:49] which video? [16:56] knome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfBlUQguvyw [16:56] www.sidifanclub.com btw ! [16:57] open that site first :P [16:58] knome: i fell for that page too ! [17:00] SiDi, http://files.boardgamegeek.com/images/shake.gif [17:01] knome: emonk.fi ! [17:01] very up-to-date :p [17:01] wehmm.. isn't it? [17:02] the fact that some section if updated last in mid-jaunuary 2009 doesn't mean it's not up-to-date [17:03] i need something to drink [17:03] macvr: http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3119/capture3w.png [17:04] my system is completely broken [17:05] SiDi: is that a mockup ? or is that the dialogue in xubuntu? [17:05] it doesnt suspend when i close the lid, it kernel panics on wake up, it refuses to shutdown properly, terminals open in .cache instead of ~ [17:05] macvr: mockup [17:06] wording is far from perfect but thats the last of my problems :p [17:07] SiDi: addressing directly like 'you havent' is not nice... rather things needs to be as "the system hasnt been" [17:08] Ah true [17:08] damn i need to gimp it again now [17:11] SiDi: also... the warning seems too "in your face" , maybe you are trying to keep it that way... but IMO that is a *very* scary warning for average users [17:14] macvr: this would only appear after a week [17:15] and its meant to be scary [17:15] if you dont scare users they dont scare [17:15] and as scottk pointed out the current problem is that they dont care [17:15] i know... but still, it is too much [17:15] just my 2 cents ;p [17:15] so instead of bothering the 80% who already care, lets scare only the remaining 20% [17:17] http://img199.imageshack.us/content.php?page=done&l=img199/7207/capture3j.png macvr [17:19] SiDi: the initial "It looks like" is not needed , Just "The system..." [17:19] i have the feeling i'll reinstall xubuntu soon :| [17:19] macvr: yeh i know :p [17:19] also the 2nd § sucks a lot [17:19] i just wanna convey the idea, the wording will come later [20:17] SiDi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Human-Redux?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=gnome-themes-ubuntu_0.4_all.deb [20:17] Testing, when you get a chance. [20:18] currently trying to prevent a kitten from being eaten by a bigger cat :| [20:18] Oh [20:18] Take of your little friend [20:21] cats are STRICTLY forbidden here [20:21] if im caught with her im fired off my home :p [21:52] macvr: I didn't get the attachment on that email about the folder. [21:53] ckontros: oh... i didnt send ;p its the same one from the submissions page [21:53] And to answer you question "Is it better" (re nm icon revision) Yes. yes they are. ;) [21:53] ckontros: BTW , is the nm- icon better now? [21:54] ok. [21:55] I'm going to make a big upload tonight. Mostly accumulated fixes. [21:55] ckontros: the face-sad needs fixing too. [21:56] I have the latest rev from the wiki. Is there another? [21:56] i mean , i'v sent the corrected labels [21:56] nothing else , just the labels [21:57] ckontros: the wiki is the wrong one... the one from the mail i sent is labelled correctly [21:57] Looks like mine is correct. [21:57] So I guess I have the right one. As well as "face-sick". [21:58] ckontros: the emblem-default is new version too [21:58] on the sub page [22:01] ckontros: the appointment-soon , in the trunk , is blurry. did you check out the edit i had done? [aligned the pixels] [22:02] Dont think I did. [22:03] I'm grabbing all the emblems on the wiki but " emblem-readonly". Still not crazy about it. [22:04] ;p [22:04] ckontros: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/appointment-soon.png < appointment soon [22:05] Email it. I'll throw it in this upload. [22:05] k... [22:05] ckontros: hey dude [22:05] yo yo [22:05] * kwwii returns from band practice [22:05] \m/ [22:05] saw luis in las palmas [22:05] * ckontros has just returned from work and is doing email. [22:05] I took a ride in his car [22:06] kwwii: Oh nice. He's been kinda absent lately. [22:06] Alot going on with work. Not that he's a full employee at SUN. [22:07] Err... Oracle [22:07] lol, well, he still works for sun [22:07] but it is all the same, I gues [22:07] s [22:07] sure [22:07] macvr: got it. [22:07] :) [22:12] SiDi: proposing any idea with tray icon wont be accepted ;p [22:12] mpt wont allow [22:13] oops ayatana discussion! [22:13] macvr: yeh well find me another bug with 32 duplicates [22:13] the new design is not satisfying at all [22:14] bug #? [22:14] ckontros: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/332945?comments=all [22:15] Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/332945/+text) [22:15] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/332945 [22:15] Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/332945/+text) [22:16] bots! [22:23] (rendering latest Breathe updates) [22:25] "We discussed it publicly at the Ubuntu Developer Summit in December." really doesn't mean anything. As much as I love them, things are mostly decided by then. [22:25] hey mma [22:25] yo [22:25] took me time to notice you [22:25] ;) [22:25] ckontros: i was at uds, didnt notice the discussion [22:25] but i was late [22:25] Sure. [22:26] anwyay i think its too drastic [22:26] its ok for windows users who expect their OS to misbehave them and who are too lazy / scared to do the updates [22:26] but many average level users took it bad [22:26] * ckontros is still sreading the bug. [22:27] *reading [22:27] basically they removed the tray icon and replaced it by auto popping update manager [22:27] i understand why they did it [22:27] i just cant accept it :| [22:28] * ckontros likes the tray icon as well. Thinks s/ But this is not to say I have a particular opinion about this issue quite yet. ;) [22:32] * ckontros keeps reading. [22:32] * macvr missed the icon at first but, now got used to it... still not happy about the pop-under :/ [22:33] i usually perform updates weekly unless security updates [22:33] bandwidth issue... and i do it manually anyway [22:33] Geeeeeeeeze 420 comments. Wow. [22:33] but i HATE stuff popping up [22:33] SiDi: i changed the pop-under to daily [22:33] and 32 dupes, ckontros [22:33] ouch [22:33] macvr: i changed to old behaviour [22:34] never a feature has been so rejected by users [22:34] and they DONT want to add a GUI-way to revert the change [22:34] you have to change a gconf key by hand [22:34] Such is the way of progress. ;) [22:34] SiDi: mot is working on a new Update manager design [22:34] mpt! [22:34] In a year, this will be forgotten. ;) [22:35] ckontros: yeah! so true [22:35] ckontros: its a progress if it addresses the aimed issue without pissing off a vast majority of the current userbase :D [22:35] there were atleast 10 comments/day when jaunty was released ... now no one cares ;p [22:35] * ckontros also wonders how much of this is driven by mobile? [22:35] except SiDi ;p [22:36] SiDi: Canonical can do things to piss alot of people off. People will still stay. [22:36] I will. [22:37] macvr: i learnt it recently [22:37] i mostly use xfce as you know :p [22:37] Actually, I'd switch to Debian. But, I haven't been pushed that hard yet. :P [22:37] ckontros: the great thing about removal of the icon is > we dont think much about updates [22:37] SiDi: dont worry , u'll give up in a few days then [22:37] * ckontros still updates by CLI. [22:37] ckontros: same here. and anyway debian seems to import upstream only the polemic changes [22:38] macvr: i already gave up for ubuntu [22:38] i know it'll stay like that unless something clearly preferable appears [22:38] ;p [22:39] which i'm thinking off, but i'm not a designer at all :p [22:39] anyway xubuntu doesnt ship it and will probably not ship it for the next years [22:40] SiDi: if they pop-up the update-window it will probably eat up the resources... i noticed that in an old netbook every time i opened the update window [22:40] its not about that imo [22:41] i think they just didnt like the design [22:41] we dont ship PA either for instance [22:58] [Breathe] Branches updated. https://code.launchpad.net/breathe-icon-set [23:17] ckontros: do you have breathe in a ppa yet? [23:17] if not, and you want/need my help I will put it in mine asap [23:17] kwwii: You haven't been reading your email. ;) [23:17] I have a bunch of other stuff to do as well [23:17] lol [23:18] yeah, I missed a lot of the breathe conversation [23:18] ahhh [23:18] yes [23:18] ok [23:18] sorry [23:18] PPA is up and will get updated regularly and should go to REVU next week. [23:18] did he use my packaging? [23:19] I added your changes. He made more. [23:19] cool [23:19] Mostly license stuff. [23:19] we should make an "ideal package" like we had in the past [23:19] perhaps with instructions for change [23:19] but that is another matter [23:20] Like a base package for other sets? [23:20] exactly [23:20] Would be nice to add to the example-look stuff. [23:21] not sure how many newbies want to start an icon theme [23:21] Sure. [23:21] but it would be good to add somewhere :p [23:22] although after packaging the humanity theme I must say there is no one-size-fits-all solution [23:22] * ckontros notes that doing all the wiki linking is *not* fun but works pretty well. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons/Emotes [23:22] kwwii: What do they do differently? [23:23] the whole set is svg and icon dirs are layed out differently than normal [23:23] every size has svgs instead of pngs [23:23] I wonder why? [23:23] Oh neat. [23:24] But maybe a little unnecessary. [23:24] yeah [23:24] I wonder why I say yeah all the time...in german is sounds different :p [23:25] :) [23:27] at least it makes sense to me [23:37] macvr: There's 1 issue with the notification-* icons. The script still tries to make a SVG in scalable/ but they are empty. Gotta figure something out for that. For now, I'll remove them manually. [23:40] * kwwii heads out for the night...bis morgen!