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| pitti | asac: I wouldn't like to update the entire NM post-release, but certainly we can cherrypick fixes | 06:58 |
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| pitti | asac: so I guess it depends whether the beta/rc snapshots are stable enough | 06:58 |
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| seb128 | hello | 08:58 |
| pitti | hey seb128 | 09:03 |
| seb128 | hey pitti! | 09:03 |
| pitti | seb128: enjoying the last GCDS day? | 09:03 |
| seb128 | pitti, enjoying being back home rather ;-) | 09:03 |
| pitti | ooh | 09:04 |
| seb128 | pitti, I did travel back yesterday evening | 09:04 |
| seb128 | how was the week for you? | 09:05 |
| seb128 | thanks for fighting the new gdm issues | 09:05 |
| seb128 | pitti, congrats for your gvfs changes being commited ;-) | 09:07 |
| pitti | seb128: week> in between fixing gdm and fixing p-distutils-extra :) | 09:07 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks; I'm sure I can get the gphoto bits in as well | 09:07 |
| pitti | seb128: gdm> bug 396226 is still a pain | 09:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 396226 in gdm "GDM logs out after some minutes of typing on the keyboard" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396226 | 09:16 |
| pitti | my preferred solution is to fix getty to exit if it sees that vt1 is already taken | 09:17 |
| pitti | I'll look into that now | 09:17 |
| seb128 | is that specific to the changes you did? | 09:17 |
| seb128 | because I never had the issue and I'm running the new gdm on 2 boxes every now and then since jaunty | 09:17 |
| pitti | seb128: not particularly to "my" changes, it's just what gdm does | 09:18 |
| pitti | gdm starts before getty, so X takes the first available tty, which is 1 | 09:18 |
| seb128 | well it's weird that nobody noticed before the karmic upload while it was in the ppa | 09:18 |
| pitti | later, getty comes along and also listens to tty1, eventually times out, closes the vt, and takes X with it | 09:18 |
| seb128 | I'm still running 0ubuntu1 and didn't get the issue either | 09:19 |
| pitti | seb128: are you running with usplash? | 09:19 |
| seb128 | yes | 09:19 |
| pitti | seb128: does gdm start at vt1 initially? | 09:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, how do I know? I asked you yesterday but got disconnected I think | 09:23 |
| seb128 | I'm using autologin so I've no gdm greeter running | 09:23 |
| pitti | seb128: boot, and then do ctrl+alt+f2 | 09:23 |
| pitti | and ctrl+alt+f1 | 09:23 |
| pitti | oh | 09:23 |
| pitti | that might change things, yes | 09:23 |
| pitti | seb128: but still ctrl+alt+fn shows you which console X is running on | 09:24 |
| seb128 | it's running on vt7 | 09:24 |
| seb128 | my session is I mean | 09:24 |
| pitti | okay | 09:24 |
| pitti | so anyway, I'll look into this now | 09:24 |
| seb128 | thanks | 09:25 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 09:32 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson | 09:33 |
| chrisccoulson | hi pitti | 09:33 |
| asac_ | pitti: cherry picking fixes wont work | 09:59 |
| asac_ | well it does | 09:59 |
| asac_ | its just a post release bump | 10:00 |
| asac_ | if we cant do that i wont do it | 10:00 |
| asac_ | we would end up in the same situation as with NM in intrepid | 10:00 |
| asac_ | point is that F12 releases a few weeks after us | 10:01 |
| pitti | asac_: ok, so we could give it a lot of testing then | 10:02 |
| asac_ | yes. | 10:02 |
| pitti | so, either it works well enough to not produce "critical" bug reports, then we can just leave it as it is | 10:02 |
| asac_ | yeah of course | 10:02 |
| pitti | or we do get them, then we have people who can test the new version | 10:02 |
| pitti | it becomes tricky if the final version relies on a newer kernel, or newer driver versions | 10:03 |
| asac_ | pitti: no thats not what will happen | 10:03 |
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| pitti | i. e. if they do things like iw->cfg80211 in between our snapshot and final | 10:03 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 10:03 |
| seb128 | hey asac | 10:03 |
| chrisccoulson | hi seb128 | 10:04 |
| asac | pitti: no... i am sure i can confince dan to not do that | 10:04 |
| asac | pitti: same for not changing ABI/API | 10:04 |
| asac | et al | 10:04 |
| asac | seb128: hi | 10:04 |
| pitti | asac: so it seems that it'd be best to get it in early? | 10:04 |
| asac | yeah | 10:04 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i got to the bottom of the metacity respawning issue. it was a metacity bug in the end rather than a gnome-session bug | 10:04 |
| asac | ill talk today again with dan... otherwise check if if there are problems with any rdepends and if htere is nothing upload | 10:05 |
| asac | sounds good | 10:05 |
| asac | seb128: still on the beach ;)? | 10:06 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, yeah I read your comments by email, good job there | 10:07 |
| seb128 | asac, no, back to rainy germany yesterday evening ;-) | 10:08 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - is there any way of starting a failsafe xterm from the new GDM? it's quite useful when debugging issues like that | 10:09 |
| asac | seb128: germany? or elsaß ;)? | 10:09 |
| seb128 | asac, neither of those but my part of france which is not elsaß ;-) | 10:10 |
| asac | hehe | 10:10 |
| mvo | hey seb128, welcome back \o/ | 10:29 |
| seb128 | hey mvo! | 10:29 |
| * seb128 hugs mvo | 10:29 | |
| seb128 | good to have some working internet again ;-) | 10:29 |
| mvo | :) | 10:29 |
| seb128 | mvo, while I'm still thinking about it, I don't think we conclude on the cron discussion the other day | 10:30 |
| mvo | seb128: I have not added it, but I think its fine to do | 10:30 |
| seb128 | the xapian things eating my battery at conference, do you consider is as a cron issue? | 10:31 |
| mvo | personally I think cron.weekly / monstly should not run on battery | 10:31 |
| mvo | its usually heavy stuff | 10:31 |
| seb128 | yeah, after stopping xapian I had updatedb | 10:32 |
| seb128 | mvo, how come that synaptic is outdated in ubuntu, aren't you upstream for it? ;-) | 11:01 |
| mvo | seb128: version-numbers ... *pfff* | 11:05 |
| seb128 | mvo, it's red on http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/versions.html | 11:05 |
| mvo | well, its just a version, they are slightly different in both distros | 11:06 |
| mvo | but I can do a merge :) | 11:06 |
| mvo | btw, is there a way to see how well the buildds for ddebs.ubuntu.com doing? I'm waiting for a updated kernel debug package | 11:07 |
| seb128 | re | 12:34 |
| seb128 | grrrr karmic crashing while being away | 12:34 |
| seb128 | if somebody wrote something for me during lunch time please do it again | 12:34 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i don't think you missed anything. it's been pretty quiet for a little while now | 12:42 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 12:43 |
| geser | seb128: as you uploaded gnome-shell, do you know where gjs-dev is as it depwaits on it? | 12:56 |
| seb128 | geser, the gnome-shell upload was a mistake it was supposed to be a ppa upload | 12:56 |
| seb128 | dunno who accepted it but it's going to stay in this not building state for a few weeks | 12:57 |
| seb128 | it requires git versions or random components and new depends | 12:57 |
| geser | ok | 12:57 |
| * asac break | 14:08 | |
| * lool repairs asac | 14:13 | |
| seb128 | lool!!! | 14:19 |
| seb128 | lool, bien rentré ? | 14:19 |
| pitti | asac: is bug 220628 really a hardy issue in libxcb? | 14:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 220628 in libxcb "[MASTER] firefox-3.0b5 received an X Window System error: 'BadIDChoice'" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220628 | 14:21 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128: lool: are you still enjoying GC? | 14:23 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, hey, had a nice trip back? | 14:25 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128: long, but fine | 14:25 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I was flying back yesterday evening, I'm enjoy working internet in rainy weather today | 14:25 |
| rickspencer3 | lol | 14:25 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 14:25 |
| rickspencer3 | it's really rainy here to | 14:26 |
| pitti | hey rickspencer3 | 14:26 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: back as well, or still at GC? | 14:26 |
| rickspencer3 | yes, I am enjoying two days off .. but of course woke up incredibly early this morning | 14:27 |
| pitti | ah, the usual westwards syndrome | 14:27 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128: lool: I was thinking that perhaps next week the three of us could cuddle so you could advise me on the best way we could help GNOME with GNOME 3 | 14:28 |
| rickspencer3 | oops | 14:28 |
| rickspencer3 | I meant huddle, not cuddle | 14:28 |
| * rickspencer3 notes that the trip was not *that* team building | 14:28 | |
| seb128 | lol | 14:29 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, yes sure | 14:29 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128: thanks ... I think I should be a bit more rational after a few days off ;) | 14:30 |
| seb128 | np, taking some time for thinking is often a good idea ;-) | 14:32 |
| lool | seb128: Return was fine yeah | 14:47 |
| lool | rickspencer3: That sounds good (cuddling and chatting around GNOME 3) | 14:49 |
| rickspencer3 | lol | 14:51 |
| dobey | james_w: ping. why didn't you use cdbs with python-oauth? | 14:56 |
| james_w | because I didn't want to? | 14:57 |
| james_w | I find it to be a net loss of time in the long run | 14:59 |
| praveen1 | is there any blueprint or list of things being done to reduce power consumption in karmic? | 15:01 |
| seb128 | praveen1, try asking on #ubuntu-devel that's not really desktopish | 15:01 |
| praveen1 | k | 15:01 |
| asac | pitti: the one left is not yet understood | 15:09 |
| asac | pitti: but its not a regression | 15:09 |
| asac | e.g. the bug itself is fixed, what is left is another bug | 15:09 |
| dobey | james_w: how so? isn't typing "include blahblahblah.mk" faster than writing out all the build rules? :) | 15:15 |
| didrocks | hey | 15:18 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks | 15:18 |
| didrocks | seb128: hey o/ To answer to your question, it's better today, but the organization is not so good | 15:18 |
| james_w | dobey: but *reading* blahblahblah.mk is a different matter | 15:22 |
| seb128 | let's not troll on cdbs or not | 15:23 |
| seb128 | for weird packages when you need to take special action it might be less handy | 15:24 |
| seb128 | in common cases it just works | 15:24 |
| james_w | yup | 15:25 |
| dobey | james_w: i don't want to read it, i want it to work :) | 15:25 |
| james_w | we can all dream :-) | 15:25 |
| asac | pitti: did you remove the verification-done tag because the libxcb update was rolled out or because you think its not verified? Bug 220628 | 15:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 220628 in libxcb "[MASTER] firefox-3.0b5 received an X Window System error: 'BadIDChoice'" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220628 | 15:31 |
| asac | i think the problem reported is really a different bug ... just related and was previously hidden because the other just happened sooner | 15:31 |
| asac | it shouldnt hold back the roll out if libxcb wasnt rolled yet. | 15:31 |
| asac | at least from what i read everybody agreed that its better with that new libxcb? | 15:31 |
| dobey | james_w: well it works for python-oauth... i had to switch it over to be able to build it on hardy :) | 15:40 |
| james_w | dobey: shouldn't have | 15:40 |
| dobey | james_w: i wouldn't have touched rules if it had Just Worked (TM) :) | 15:41 |
| dobey | james_w: but --install-layout wasn't a valid option | 15:42 |
| james_w | ah | 15:42 |
| james_w | well, let's fix that | 15:42 |
| dobey | james_w: bug #397431 if you please then :) | 15:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 397431 in hardy-backports "Please backport python-oauth 1.0~svn1053-0ubuntu1 from Karmic to Hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397431 | 15:44 |
| dobey | james_w: i also filed bug #397197 requesting a backport to jaunty, and the karmic package rebuilt as-is | 15:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 397197 in jaunty-backports "Please backport python-oauth 1.0~svn1053-0ubuntu1 from Karmic to Jaunty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397197 | 15:44 |
| james_w | dobey: done | 15:58 |
| dobey | james_w: hooray and hugs! | 16:02 |
| jcastro | seb128: are people supposed to not report bugs on -shell? | 16:23 |
| seb128 | jcastro, why? | 16:23 |
| jcastro | seb128: I guess you invalided a bunch of bugs from forum users | 16:24 |
| seb128 | jcastro, gnome-shell is not in ubuntu proper but in a ppa, I've asked users to report bugs directly upstream for it yes | 16:24 |
| jcastro | ok, I will go tell them that. | 16:24 |
| seb128 | jcastro, we can't track git builds bugs mixed with ubuntu bugs and there is no ppa bug tracker | 16:25 |
| seb128 | jcastro, thanks! | 16:25 |
| jcastro | yeah that's kind of a bummer | 16:25 |
| seb128 | the ppa not having a bug tracker is annoying | 16:25 |
| seb128 | but flooding the ubuntu components with upstream git bugs is not a good way either | 16:26 |
| seb128 | jcastro, how did the couchdb presentation go yesterday? | 16:28 |
| jcastro | it went pretty awesome | 16:28 |
| jcastro | everything worked, even got applause a bunch of times | 16:28 |
| jcastro | the pitivi presentation was pretty exciting too, it's all working! didn't even crash. | 16:29 |
| seb128 | cool! | 16:29 |
| jcastro | they are going to try to do gstreamer 1.0, jokosher 1.0, and pitivi 1.0 all in time for gnome 3 | 16:30 |
| seb128 | nice to see things aligning around GNOME3 | 16:31 |
| pitti | good night everyone | 17:51 |
| pitti | have to go now | 17:51 |
| seb128 | 'night pitti | 17:58 |
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| chrisccoulson | nearly the weekend:) | 21:16 |
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