=== akgraner_ is now known as akgraner [10:08] Can anyone help me with a particular question in docbook? This is not ubuntu related. [10:23] Flannel: I've now added a page about installing Mozilla builds (FirefoxNewVersion/MozillaBuilds). I put it on a separate page because Intrepid/Hardy packages are expected. Give me a shout if you spot anything. === talsemgeest_ is now known as talsemgeest === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger_work [21:24] here is problem.. old info .. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP there is no info about JJ [21:40] Kangarooo: JJ? [21:46] Jaunty Jackalope [21:47] jpds: how to install to 9.04 / Jaunty Jackalope / JJ [21:49] Well... someone has to edit the wiki and add it. [22:13] I want to be in documentation team [22:13] ask questions. finalize complete documentations. [22:24] Hey Avi. [22:30] Augustina, Kelvin, and Avi...are we all here? [22:31] yes [22:31] I am here! [22:31] Allo, Avi? [22:32] Hmm...will wait 5 minutes. [22:33] I am here [22:33] Excellento! [22:33] The window was blocked. [22:33] Let's get started...how is everyone today? [22:34] Super, thanks. [22:34] awesome [22:35] Tired! Thanks. [22:35] Sorry, Avi. The time change is difficult. I managed to get out of work early today. But lets get right to it so we can get you to bed. [22:35] I see that you've been very busy breaking up the work load. I've been browsing the emails going back and forth. Should we start the discussion with that? [22:35] Sure! [22:35] Understood! [22:36] I'm tracking back through my emails...give me one sec. [22:37] Augustina: It appears that you go the ball rolling with the writing tasks. Did you want to take the lead on this portion of the discussion? [22:38] Sure I can do that [22:38] First off, is everyone ok with how I divided the sections? [22:38] yes [22:38] The person who takes a section isn't solely responsible for writing all of the content for that section. [22:39] OK cool, just wanted to reiterate. [22:39] I think thats brilliant. It makes it easier if someone has the ultimate responsibility of making sure something is completed even when its a collaboration. [22:40] Avi: Have you had a chance to review your sections and decide what you would want Kelvin and I to assist with? [22:40] I have begun that [22:40] I may want some assistance with teh alternate CD [22:41] and I need to check something with Wubi. [22:41] OK I can take on the Alternate CD [22:41] I've had to use it in the past [22:41] As we discussed last week, I think there are going to be some questions that I will bring up regarding wording for the burning the ISO and partitioning, but that can be discussed as it comes up [22:42] Avi: How are you going to approach the CD burning? [22:43] I think will describe the general principle and then give a procedure for burning the CD with one specific software program [22:43] I agree. I think that is the best course of action and in line with the guide's philosophy. [22:43] Sounds good to me too. [22:45] OK so I'm working on Section A, the Intro + FAQ [22:45] How should our Installation Guide Intro differ from the existing Ubuntu Intro wording? [22:45] I'm thinking there is some wording on the main page [22:46] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu [22:47] I'm thinking for the Installation Guide, explain more about what the Installation guide will cover and assume the person already knows something about what ubuntu is? [22:47] Agreed. [22:47] The guide is going to be accessible with the ISO download. So, I think that is a safe assumption. [22:48] Whoops we lost DB [22:48] Welcome back! [22:48] Sorry.... [22:48] What did I miss? [22:48] Nothing! [22:49] I always get the last word. [22:49] So for the FAQ, my next step is to put together a list of possible questions. [22:50] I am just going to do it brainstorm style and edit it as we go. [22:50] I think some of the FAQ will depend on the results of our Usability testing. [22:50] This also may be useful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PageHits. [22:50] Augustina: Agreed. The usability testing will tell us a lot. [22:50] Ah yes I remember that page. [22:50] That links takes a minute to load. [22:51] I will ask whoever is writing the technical session that might relate to a question to submit an answer for the FAQ. [22:51] Otherwise, that's all for me. Kelvin volunteered to take on C. [22:51] *technical section, sorry [22:52] The actual installation? [22:52] missaugustina: On your email C has the intro in. Are you doing C and I'm doing A? [22:53] OK, let me double check how I divided it. Sorry! [22:54] Oh you're right, I was backwards. [22:54] ok. [22:54] My plan so far. [22:55] So Avi = B, Augustina = C, and Kelvin = A? [22:56] The "what's next" will be how to install extra software, about community, how to get involved, where to get further help. It will main point to web pages. [22:56] badenochs_ghost1: I'm doing A. [22:56] I believe that is correct. [22:56] Are you ok with that Kelvin? You'd asked for C in the email thread now that I'm looking at it. [22:57] yeah, I just pick on at random. [22:57] I think I saw you mentioned troubleshooting and just had it in my head you were doing A [22:57] Not to worry. [22:58] OK cool, sorry, I read too fast sometimes ;) [22:58] The trouble shooting section will have two parts. First part will be a list of links to hardware specific help pages. This is based on every problem on my macbook having a solution on the macbook wiki pages. [22:59] The second part will address common issues, based in the wiki hits page and forum question. [22:59] How does that sound? [22:59] Sounds fine to me. [23:00] I think that sounds great. [23:00] Are there areas of the troubleshooting you'd currently like to delegate? [23:00] You can also put topics out for delegation as we proceed. [23:01] I'll produce a list of issues over the next week and put them on the wiki. Then we can pick which ones we want to do. [23:02] I have the shortest 2 sections so I'm more than happy to pick up anything. [23:03] ok [23:04] Avi: I can do both the Alternate CD + Wubi sections. [23:05] I'm probably fine on the Wubi, just need to check a few things [23:05] Alternate CD would be great. [23:05] Augustina: What else do we have by way of the writing task to discuss? [23:06] Sorry...writing tasks. [23:06] That's all I can think of, unless anyone else has any writing tasks to discuss? [23:07] Where are we going to put the draft docs? [23:07] KelvinGardiner: That is an excellent question. I am still new to this game. So, I don't know. [23:08] I haven't been able to reach Mr. Bull by email since he went on vacation. [23:08] Should we set up a bzr branch? [23:08] Maybe we can have a project on LP with a bzr branch. [23:09] We have a group on LP, right? Should be easy to set up a group project. [23:11] I would think so, but I've not used LP for a project. [23:11] I'm at launchpad now trying to figure it out. [23:11] https://launchpad.net/projects/+new [23:12] Should we do this now? [23:12] DB: Do you want to take this on and do it when we're done, so Avi can get some sleep? [23:12] I am more than happy to hang out and help [23:12] I think that would be nice. Will do. [23:13] Let's finish up our discussion and send him to bed. [23:13] Much appreciated :-) My mother would be thrilled :-) [23:13] I need to address the style guide and we'll be done unless anyone else has something to discuss before I do. [23:15] Hearing no other topics, I've settled on the Gnome Style Guide. It seems to make the most sense for this project. In the future, there may be a more Ubuntu-centric and updated style guide. [23:15] What's the link for the Gnome Style Guide? [23:16] http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdp-style-guide/stable/ [23:16] Any discussion, questions, or feedback? [23:17] I think that sounds great. I am sure we'll have questions as we're going along ;) [23:17] Sounds like the best option [23:18] I'm happy to use that. [23:19] Wonderful. We are all set I think. If there is nothing else, let's conclude. Miss Augustina, why don't you hang out for a minute and we'll do the LP project. Good day, good evening or good night Kelvin. And to Avi, sweet dreams! [23:20] thanks.... Good day/night. [23:20] Yeah I'm hanging out! Gnite Avi!! [23:20] Good night Avi. [23:21] I hear my children looking for me. Let's go ahead and tackle this Launchpad registration and we'll all be done for the day. [23:21] What should I name this thing? [23:21] thanks, is good night for me its. [23:22] Good Question, maybe something close to the group name? [23:22] ... 11.20pm here. [23:22] Gnite Kelvin! [23:22] It's only 3pm here :D I'm slow :( [23:22] That would be night. Good night, sir. [23:22] Bye [23:22] Augustina: How about Ubuntu Installation Guide? [23:22] Yeah sounds good. I was looking to see what the group name was [23:23] Ubuntu Installation Guide team [23:23] Sure. Is that the name? [23:23] yeah Ubuntu Installation Guide is perfect since it's consistent [23:23] yes that's our team name [23:24] OK. Let's go with Ubuntu Installation Guide. The URL will be http://launchpad.net/ubuntuinstallguide [23:25] OK. Now I need a project title. [23:25] Ubuntu Installation Guide ? [23:25] That is exactly what I was thinking. I'll type that in. [23:26] OK. It wants a summary. Phil summary from the Wiki is: "There is a clear need for a comprehensive installation guide which targets novice and intermediate users. Such a guide should be written and made easily discoverable to potential new users. " [23:26] Sounds good to me, we can always change it. [23:26] Sorry...Phil's summary from the Wiki... [23:27] Maybe mention that it's part of the ubuntu documentation project [23:27] OK. I've started the process. It wants to make sure I am not reinventing the wheel. [23:27] Yeah [23:27] Some similiar projects in here that never went anywhere. [23:29] OK. Now it wants to know what licenses we want to release the project under. [23:29] yeah i'm doing a test project along with you so i can see the screens [23:29] We are using the same license as ubuntu, I thought [23:30] I would think its the Creative Commons license but I'm not sure. [23:30] I think all the documentation would go under there. [23:30] Gnome Style Guide lists GFDL [23:30] http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl.html [23:30] GNU Free Documentation License [23:31] If we're going by the Gnome Style Guide, should we use their recommended license? [23:31] My window just closed and I'll need to restart this thing. [23:31] k no prob :) [23:31] Creative Commons is correct for ubuntu [23:31] I just did a quick search [23:31] At least that's the wiki licensing -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/License [23:32] OK. I am caught back up. [23:32] Creative Commons ShareAlike 3.0 License (CC-BY-SA) [23:32] That's the system docs [23:32] https://help.ubuntu.com/legal.html [23:32] Let's go with Creative Commons. I think that is right. [23:33] K that sounds good [23:34] OK. Its done. [23:35] Sweet! [23:35] What are the access rights for the project? [23:35] I'm looking for how to change that. [23:37] Does setting up a project in Launchpad automagically create a Bazaar branch? [23:38] I don't know. I'm working on access now for the team and then we can look into it. [23:38] K I didn't know if it was related [23:39] Augustina: I need to go help my wife my kids, but I'll get you and the team access as soon as possible and see what is going on with Bazaar as well. [23:39] I appreciate your help. [23:39] Thanks! Go do your thing. I don't think there's a huge hurry immediately since we are still getting organized [23:40] You could also post to the list, I'm positive someone on there knows the answers to these questiosn. [23:40] questions [23:40] Great meeting today. Talk to you soon. [23:40] Thx! TTYL