[10:08] <slytherin> Can anyone help me with a particular question in docbook? This is not ubuntu related.
[10:23] <andrew_sayers> Flannel: I've now added a page about installing Mozilla builds (FirefoxNewVersion/MozillaBuilds).  I put it on a separate page because Intrepid/Hardy packages are expected.  Give me a shout if you spot anything.
[21:24] <Kangarooo> here is problem.. old info .. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP there is no info about JJ
[21:40] <jpds> Kangarooo: JJ?
[21:46] <Kangarooo> Jaunty Jackalope
[21:47] <Kangarooo> jpds: how to install to 9.04 / Jaunty Jackalope / JJ
[21:49] <jpds> Well... someone has to edit the wiki and add it.
[22:13] <Kangarooo> I want to be in documentation team
[22:13] <Kangarooo> ask questions. finalize complete documentations.
[22:24] <badenochs_ghost1> Hey Avi.
[22:30] <badenochs_ghost1> Augustina, Kelvin, and Avi...are we all here?
[22:31] <KelvinGardiner> yes
[22:31] <missaugustina> I am here!
[22:31] <badenochs_ghost1> Allo, Avi?
[22:32] <badenochs_ghost1> Hmm...will wait 5 minutes.
[22:33] <avi1> I am here
[22:33] <badenochs_ghost1> Excellento!
[22:33] <avi1> The window was blocked.
[22:33] <badenochs_ghost1> Let's get started...how is everyone today?
[22:34] <KelvinGardiner> Super, thanks.
[22:34] <missaugustina> awesome
[22:35] <avi1> Tired! Thanks.
[22:35] <badenochs_ghost1> Sorry, Avi.  The time change is difficult.  I managed to get out of work early today.  But lets get right to it so we can get you to bed.
[22:35] <badenochs_ghost1> I see that you've been very busy breaking up the work load.   I've been browsing the emails going back and forth.  Should we start the discussion with that?
[22:35] <missaugustina> Sure!
[22:35] <avi1> Understood!
[22:36] <badenochs_ghost1> I'm tracking back through my emails...give me one sec.
[22:37] <badenochs_ghost1> Augustina:  It appears that you go the ball rolling with the writing tasks.   Did you want to take the lead on this portion of the discussion?
[22:38] <missaugustina> Sure I can do that
[22:38] <missaugustina> First off, is everyone ok with how I divided the sections?
[22:38] <KelvinGardiner> yes
[22:38] <missaugustina> The person who takes a section isn't solely responsible for writing all of the content for that section.
[22:39] <missaugustina> OK cool, just wanted to reiterate.
[22:39] <badenochs_ghost1> I think thats brilliant.  It makes it easier if someone has the ultimate responsibility of making sure something is completed even when its a collaboration.
[22:40] <missaugustina> Avi: Have you had a chance to review your sections and decide what you would want Kelvin and I to assist with?
[22:40] <avi1> I have begun that
[22:40] <avi1> I may want some assistance with teh alternate CD
[22:41] <avi1> and I need to check something with Wubi.
[22:41] <missaugustina> OK I can take on the Alternate CD
[22:41] <missaugustina> I've had to use it in the past
[22:41] <avi1> As we discussed last week, I think there are going to be some questions that I will bring up regarding wording for the burning the ISO and partitioning, but that can be discussed as it comes up
[22:42] <badenochs_ghost1> Avi:  How are you going to approach the CD burning?
[22:43] <avi1> I think will describe the general principle and then give a procedure for burning the CD with one specific software program
[22:43] <badenochs_ghost1> I agree.  I think that is the best course of action and in line with the guide's philosophy.
[22:43] <KelvinGardiner> Sounds good to me too.
[22:45] <missaugustina> OK so I'm working on Section A, the Intro + FAQ
[22:45] <missaugustina> How should our Installation Guide Intro differ from the existing Ubuntu Intro wording?
[22:45] <missaugustina> I'm thinking there is some wording on the main page
[22:46] <missaugustina> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu
[22:47] <missaugustina> I'm thinking for the Installation Guide, explain more about what the Installation guide will cover and assume the person already knows something about what ubuntu is?
[22:47] <badenochs_ghost1> Agreed.
[22:47] <badenochs_ghost1> The guide is going to be accessible with the ISO download.  So, I think that is a safe assumption.
[22:48] <missaugustina> Whoops we lost DB
[22:48] <missaugustina> Welcome back!
[22:48] <badenochs_ghost1> Sorry....
[22:48] <badenochs_ghost1> What did I miss?
[22:48] <missaugustina> Nothing!
[22:49] <badenochs_ghost1> I always get the last word.
[22:49] <missaugustina> So for the FAQ, my next step is to put together a list of possible questions.
[22:50] <missaugustina> I am just going to do it brainstorm style and edit it as we go.
[22:50] <missaugustina> I think some of the FAQ will depend on the results of our Usability testing.
[22:50] <badenochs_ghost1> This also may be useful:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PageHits.
[22:50] <badenochs_ghost1> Augustina:  Agreed.  The usability testing will tell us a lot.
[22:50] <missaugustina> Ah yes I remember that page.
[22:50] <badenochs_ghost1> That links takes a minute to load.
[22:51] <missaugustina> I will ask whoever is writing the technical session that might relate to a question to submit an answer for the FAQ.
[22:51] <missaugustina> Otherwise, that's all for me.  Kelvin volunteered to take on C.
[22:51] <missaugustina> *technical section, sorry
[22:52] <badenochs_ghost1> The actual installation?
[22:52] <KelvinGardiner> missaugustina: On your email C has the intro in. Are you doing C and I'm doing A?
[22:53] <missaugustina> OK, let me double check how I divided it.  Sorry!
[22:54] <missaugustina> Oh you're right, I was backwards.
[22:54] <KelvinGardiner> ok.
[22:54] <KelvinGardiner> My plan so far.
[22:55] <badenochs_ghost1> So Avi = B, Augustina = C, and Kelvin = A?
[22:56] <KelvinGardiner> The "what's next" will be how to install extra software, about community, how to get involved, where to get further help. It will main point to web pages.
[22:56] <KelvinGardiner> badenochs_ghost1: I'm doing A.
[22:56] <avi1> I believe that is correct.
[22:56] <missaugustina> Are you ok with that Kelvin?  You'd asked for C in the email thread now that I'm looking at it.
[22:57] <KelvinGardiner> yeah, I just pick on at random.
[22:57] <missaugustina> I think I saw you mentioned troubleshooting and just had it in my head you were doing A
[22:57] <KelvinGardiner> Not to worry.
[22:58] <missaugustina> OK cool, sorry, I read too fast sometimes ;)
[22:58] <KelvinGardiner> The trouble shooting section will have two parts. First part will be a list of links to hardware specific help pages. This is based on every problem on my macbook having a solution on the macbook wiki pages.
[22:59] <KelvinGardiner> The second part will address common issues, based in the wiki hits page and forum question.
[22:59] <KelvinGardiner> How does that sound?
[22:59] <badenochs_ghost1> Sounds fine to me.
[23:00] <missaugustina> I think that sounds great.
[23:00] <missaugustina> Are there areas of the troubleshooting you'd currently like to delegate?
[23:00] <missaugustina> You can also put topics out for delegation as we proceed.
[23:01] <KelvinGardiner> I'll produce a list of issues over the next week and put them on the wiki. Then we can pick which ones we want to do.
[23:02] <missaugustina> I have the shortest 2 sections so I'm more than happy to pick up anything.
[23:03] <KelvinGardiner> ok
[23:04] <missaugustina> Avi: I can do both the Alternate CD + Wubi sections.
[23:05] <avi1> I'm probably fine on the Wubi, just need to check a few things
[23:05] <avi1> Alternate CD would be great.
[23:05] <badenochs_ghost1> Augustina:  What else do we have by way of the writing task to discuss?
[23:06] <badenochs_ghost1> Sorry...writing tasks.
[23:06] <missaugustina> That's all I can think of, unless anyone else has any writing tasks to discuss?
[23:07] <KelvinGardiner> Where are we going to put the draft docs?
[23:07] <badenochs_ghost1> KelvinGardiner:  That is an excellent question.  I am still new to this game.  So, I don't know.
[23:08] <badenochs_ghost1> I haven't been able to reach Mr. Bull by email since he went on vacation.
[23:08] <missaugustina> Should we set up a bzr branch?
[23:08] <KelvinGardiner> Maybe we can have a project on LP with a bzr branch.
[23:09] <missaugustina> We have a group on LP, right?  Should be easy to set up a group project.
[23:11] <KelvinGardiner> I would think so, but I've not used LP for a project.
[23:11] <badenochs_ghost1> I'm at launchpad now trying to figure it out.
[23:11] <missaugustina> https://launchpad.net/projects/+new
[23:12] <badenochs_ghost1> Should we do this now?
[23:12] <missaugustina> DB: Do you want to take this on and do it when we're done, so Avi can get some sleep?
[23:12] <missaugustina> I am more than happy to hang out and help
[23:12] <badenochs_ghost1> I think that would be nice.  Will do.
[23:13] <badenochs_ghost1> Let's finish up our discussion and send him to bed.
[23:13] <avi1> Much appreciated :-) My mother would be thrilled :-)
[23:13] <badenochs_ghost1> I need to address the style guide and we'll be done unless anyone else has something to discuss before I do.
[23:15] <badenochs_ghost1> Hearing no other topics, I've settled on the Gnome Style Guide.  It seems to make the most sense for this project.  In the future, there may be a more Ubuntu-centric and updated style guide.
[23:15] <missaugustina> What's the link for the Gnome Style Guide?
[23:16] <badenochs_ghost1> http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdp-style-guide/stable/
[23:16] <badenochs_ghost1> Any discussion, questions, or feedback?
[23:17] <missaugustina> I think that sounds great.  I am sure we'll have questions as we're going along ;)
[23:17] <avi1> Sounds like the best option
[23:18] <KelvinGardiner> I'm happy to use that.
[23:19] <badenochs_ghost1> Wonderful.  We are all set I think.  If there is nothing else, let's conclude.  Miss Augustina, why don't you hang out for a minute and we'll do the LP project.  Good day, good evening or good night Kelvin.  And to Avi, sweet dreams!
[23:20] <avi1> thanks.... Good day/night.
[23:20] <missaugustina> Yeah I'm hanging out!  Gnite Avi!!
[23:20] <KelvinGardiner> Good night Avi.
[23:21] <badenochs_ghost1> I hear my children looking for me.  Let's go ahead and tackle this Launchpad registration and we'll all be done for the day.
[23:21] <badenochs_ghost1> What should I name this thing?
[23:21] <KelvinGardiner> thanks, is good night for me its.
[23:22] <missaugustina> Good Question, maybe something close to the group name?
[23:22] <KelvinGardiner> ... 11.20pm here.
[23:22] <missaugustina> Gnite Kelvin!
[23:22] <missaugustina> It's only 3pm here :D  I'm slow :(
[23:22] <badenochs_ghost1> That would be night.  Good night, sir.
[23:22] <KelvinGardiner> Bye
[23:22] <badenochs_ghost1> Augustina:  How about Ubuntu Installation Guide?
[23:22] <missaugustina> Yeah sounds good.  I was looking to see what the group name was
[23:23] <missaugustina> Ubuntu Installation Guide team
[23:23] <badenochs_ghost1> Sure.  Is that the name?
[23:23] <missaugustina> yeah Ubuntu Installation Guide is perfect since it's consistent
[23:23] <missaugustina> yes that's our team name
[23:24] <badenochs_ghost1> OK.   Let's go with Ubuntu Installation Guide.  The URL will be http://launchpad.net/ubuntuinstallguide
[23:25] <badenochs_ghost1> OK.  Now I need a project title.
[23:25] <missaugustina> Ubuntu Installation Guide ?
[23:25] <badenochs_ghost1> That is exactly what I was thinking.  I'll type that in.
[23:26] <badenochs_ghost1> OK.  It wants a summary.  Phil summary from the Wiki is:  "There is a clear need for a comprehensive installation guide which targets novice and intermediate users. Such a guide should be written and made easily discoverable to potential new users. "
[23:26] <missaugustina> Sounds good to me, we can always change it.
[23:26] <badenochs_ghost1> Sorry...Phil's summary from the Wiki...
[23:27] <missaugustina> Maybe mention that it's part of the ubuntu documentation project
[23:27] <badenochs_ghost1> OK.  I've started the process.  It wants to make sure I am not reinventing the wheel.
[23:27] <missaugustina> Yeah
[23:27] <badenochs_ghost1> Some similiar projects in here that never went anywhere.
[23:29] <badenochs_ghost1> OK.  Now it wants to know what licenses we want to release the project under.
[23:29] <missaugustina> yeah i'm doing a test project along with you so i can see the screens
[23:29] <missaugustina> We are using the same license as ubuntu, I thought
[23:30] <badenochs_ghost1> I would think its the Creative Commons license but I'm not sure.
[23:30] <badenochs_ghost1> I think all the documentation would go under there.
[23:30] <missaugustina> Gnome Style Guide lists GFDL
[23:30] <missaugustina> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl.html
[23:30] <missaugustina> GNU Free Documentation License
[23:31] <missaugustina> If we're going by the Gnome Style Guide, should we use their recommended license?
[23:31] <badenochs_ghost1> My window just closed and I'll need to restart this thing.
[23:31] <missaugustina> k no prob :)
[23:31] <missaugustina> Creative Commons is correct for ubuntu
[23:31] <missaugustina> I just did a quick search
[23:31] <missaugustina> At least that's the wiki licensing -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/License
[23:32] <badenochs_ghost1> OK.  I am caught back up.
[23:32] <missaugustina> Creative Commons ShareAlike 3.0 License (CC-BY-SA)
[23:32] <missaugustina> That's the system docs
[23:32] <missaugustina> https://help.ubuntu.com/legal.html
[23:32] <badenochs_ghost1> Let's go with Creative Commons.  I think that is right.
[23:33] <missaugustina> K that sounds good
[23:34] <badenochs_ghost1> OK.  Its done.
[23:35] <missaugustina> Sweet!
[23:35] <missaugustina> What are the access rights for the project?
[23:35] <badenochs_ghost1> I'm looking for how to change that.
[23:37] <missaugustina> Does setting up a project in Launchpad automagically create a Bazaar branch?
[23:38] <badenochs_ghost1> I don't know.  I'm working on access now for the team and then we can look into it.
[23:38] <missaugustina> K I didn't know if it was related
[23:39] <badenochs_ghost1> Augustina:  I need to go help my wife my kids, but I'll get you and the team access as soon as possible and see what is going on with Bazaar as well.
[23:39] <badenochs_ghost1> I appreciate your help.
[23:39] <missaugustina> Thanks!  Go do your thing.  I don't think there's a huge hurry immediately since we are still getting organized
[23:40] <missaugustina> You could also post to the list, I'm positive someone on there knows the answers to these questiosn.
[23:40] <missaugustina> questions
[23:40] <badenochs_ghost1> Great meeting today.  Talk to you soon.
[23:40] <missaugustina> Thx!  TTYL