[00:21] <Quintasan> good to have my comp back
[00:30] <a|wen> Quintasan: yay, just in time for rc2 packaging ;)
[00:30] <Quintasan> D:
[00:30] <Quintasan> :D
[00:30] <Quintasan> I just downloaded tarballs
[00:30] <Quintasan> :3
[00:31] <a|wen> :D
[00:31] <Quintasan> I won't push to bzr since I'm too tired and I will screw it up for sure
[00:31] <a|wen> he, same here ... though ended up taking a small one tonight, to get started
[00:44] <Quintasan> Do what you want cuz' a pirate is free! You are a pirate!
[00:44]  * Quintasan is singing
[01:07] <Quintasan> g'night
[01:58] <DaskreeCH> Does anyone ever clean out the refuse from the repos?
[02:07] <maco> DaskreeCH, what, you mean remove unmaintained-upstream packages? yeah
[03:01] <DaskreeCH> maco: I mean remove packages like virtual packages that have had the meaning changed and just don't do anything anymore
[03:26] <maco> DaskreeCH, oh, no idea
[03:27] <DaskreeCH> Its getting annoying that I have to try three times to install a program cause the first two are packages which have descriptions and exist on the system but cannot be installed
[04:35] <ScottK> Anyone having luck with WPA wireless with current Karmic?
[04:47] <maco> ScottK, been broken since jaunty and current svn is in heavy flux
[04:48] <ScottK> OK.
[04:48] <ScottK> Well I found an ethernet cable so I'm on the netbook with a wired connection.
[04:54] <maco> interfaces still works
[05:05] <ScottK> I think I was on Edgy the last time I messed with command line wireless.
[05:06] <txwikinger> ScottK :)
[05:06] <txwikinger> I do it all the time
[05:06] <maco> its what ive been doing since we switched to wpa2 last month
[05:11] <nixternal> ScottK: dapper or edgy, yes
[05:11] <nixternal> why use wpa in the first place?
[05:11] <nixternal> leave your shit open, people aren't driving around stealing your wifi
[05:12] <nixternal> or, get a cisco pix501 and setup authentication and then control the bandwidth...if they aren't logged in, they get a whole 10k, otherwise if they are logged in, it is wide open
[05:12] <maco> ....so he says until he gets a RIAA notice
[05:12] <nixternal> you know how many RIAA notices I have gotten?
[05:13] <nixternal> and I have replied to everyone with a single sheet of paper that said "F*CK YOU!"
[05:13] <nixternal> and signed it
[05:13] <nixternal> Comcast was horrible with it, never had a problem since I switched to ATT
[05:13] <rgreening> bwhahahahahahahahahha
[05:13]  * DaskreeCH watches the dual spoken word of nixternal
[05:13] <nixternal> know what I download? KUBUNTU!
[05:13] <nixternal> Kubuntu over torrent
[05:13] <nixternal> Comcast will shite themselves
[05:15] <nixternal> oh, and when I downloaded all of the Metallica stuff, they about died...I replied with "I would never purchase Metallica music, only steal it, so go f yourself"
[05:15] <nixternal> download all of the child porn you want, they don't say anything, but download some music or movies and the world comes to a stop
[05:16] <nixternal> RIAA has a special spot on my ass just for their lips
[05:16] <DaskreeCH> ha ha ha
[05:17] <rgreening> just make sure you have a great big burrito before they kiss it
[05:17] <nixternal> I torrented the hell out of Kubuntu, and Comcast sent me all kinds of take down/shut down notices...I stopped calling and went directly to their headquarters, only cuz I used to work in that building, I knew where to go and who to call utter retards
[05:18] <nixternal> rgreening: man, all I eat are burritos
[05:18] <nixternal> I eat free at Chipotle
[05:18] <rgreening> lol
[05:18] <nixternal> after every bike ride, straight to chipotle :)
[05:18] <nixternal> fajita burritos are the yummy
[05:19] <rgreening> fa-gee-tas
[05:19] <txwikinger> nixternal: After the latest judgment by own of those useless judges you can claim someone else drove your ip address
[05:20] <nixternal> judges don't scare me either, one of the illinois supreme court judges is a neighbor, and he knows how much I hate them all
[05:20]  * txwikinger boycotts anything in th realm of the RIAA for more than 5 years
[05:21] <nixternal> while you are at it, boycott all of this jacko crap on tv
[05:21] <nixternal> whatever happened to RIP?
[05:21] <txwikinger> well.. judges are not scary.. you need to use them
[05:21] <nixternal> you need to kill them
[05:21] <nixternal> man, not smoking has turned me into an asshole this week
[05:21] <txwikinger> nixternal: The King is dead, long live the King
[05:21] <nixternal> king of pedos!
[05:22] <txwikinger> any king
[05:22] <txwikinger> yep.. you sound quite irritated
[05:22] <nixternal> pop music, so easy to be the king when all you have to go against is britney spears, nsync, backstreet boys, and crap like that
[05:22] <txwikinger> Make it at least count and keep it up ;)
[05:22] <nixternal> of course :)
[05:23] <nixternal> man, I want another burrito now, damn you roedric!!!
[05:23] <txwikinger> I am tired
[05:23] <nixternal> man, I want another burrito now, damn you roedric!!!   <- rgreening
[05:23] <nixternal> right after you left :)
[05:24] <txwikinger> worked the whole day and then drove around in a Rental truck getting furniture my wife wanted
[05:24] <nixternal> I just rode hard core today, to the point where I saw dots and felt like puking...I love climbing hills on my bike!
[05:24] <txwikinger> Simulating Tour de France ;)
[05:25] <txwikinger> Tomorrow is the first mountain stage.. good luck
[05:25] <nixternal> ya, keep up with the tdf challenge
[05:25] <nixternal> which someone I am in 5000 currently
[05:25] <rgreening> sry nixternal :) didnt mean to make you hungry. haha
[05:25] <txwikinger> I once did my own Tour de Luxembourg
[05:25] <nixternal> don't know how that is happening, think I am getting jipped
[05:25] <txwikinger> 10 days, everyday 200km
[05:25] <nixternal> nice
[05:27] <txwikinger> well.. after 15 years not riding a bicycle, I got mine going again.. go about twice a week to work and back
[05:27] <txwikinger> I love passing all those commuters in cars sitting in a jam :D
[05:32] <nixternal> I don't commute as much, as I only leave the house to do training and group rides :)
[05:34] <nixternal> ok you vegetarians, what is a good veggie food that will give power? as of right now, everything I have tried sucks....my favorite right now is sushi rice, egg, a lil olive oil, i cook it up, mix it up, mash it in a pan to make like rice crispie treats, let it dry out and take that on my rides
[05:34] <nixternal> but w/o some turkey, or espeically bacon, there is 0 energy from it
[05:35] <ScottK> Skittles
[05:35] <nixternal> i would figure the rice and egg would do something
[05:35] <nixternal> mmmm skittles
[05:35] <nixternal> always have a bag of skittles and a payday when I ride :)
[05:35] <nixternal> skittles remove the taste of about a 100 or so bugs that collect in my mouth while riding
[05:36] <nixternal> and trail mix for the win
[05:36] <maco> here's an idea: close your mouth while riding
[05:37] <maco> so you need some fat in it?
[05:37] <maco> fat = energy
[05:39] <nixternal> fat = bad
[05:39] <nixternal> while riding
[05:39] <nixternal> complex carbs ftw
[05:39] <nixternal> sushi rice is the best for complex carbs, but damnit it didn't work
[05:39] <maco> ah...well then, was it white or brown rice?
[05:40] <nixternal> I hit the 100 mile mark and felt like death this weekend
[05:40] <nixternal> white
[05:40] <maco> use brown!
[05:40] <nixternal> brown rice is nothing more than a myth
[05:40] <nixternal> learned that while body building
[05:40] <maco> white rice is stripped like white flour
[05:40] <nixternal> you get like 2% more with brown on a good day
[05:40] <nixternal> a real dietician will tell you that, but not the fake ones that help market the more expensive brown rice
[05:41] <nixternal> i have to admit, some canadian bacon with this bad boys, and you have one hell of a tasty little rice cake
[05:41] <maco> perhaps nuts?
[05:41] <nixternal> oh man, I am a trail mix junky :)
[05:41] <maco> maybe use peanut butter as your binder?
[05:41] <nixternal> that helps a bit actually
[05:42] <nixternal> ya, maybe I should stop giving the dog peanut butter and eat more of it :p
[05:42] <nixternal> paydays are a great source of good energy as well
[05:42] <nixternal> one of the ladies on our cycling team taught me that one recently
[05:43] <nixternal> and I just found out tonight, she invented this whicked cool towlette thing that is sun protectant and insect repellant in one, and it stretches, so you can use it like a bath towel on your back...it is damn groovy
[05:44] <nixternal> smells a little girlish, but that was ok, I still used it on tonights ride, and 0 skeeters attacked me while everyone else was crying
[05:45] <nixternal> one thing I learned, don't wipe it on your forehead though, sweat will run into your eyes and burn you like mace :p
[05:45] <ScottK> OK.  dontzap is seeded again.  It'll need to get repromoted back to Main before it's back on CD.
[05:46] <nixternal> groovy dude :)
[06:29] <bobesponja> hey
[06:29] <bobesponja> are you going to publish rc2 packages for kde 4.3 or will you go strait to 4.3.0?
[06:40] <nixternal> bobesponja: ScottK and I were trying to figure that out earlier...need to find out what the ninjas are up to
[06:41] <bobesponja> nixternal: ok, cause plasma crashes a lot on jaunty, switching virtual desktops
[06:42] <nixternal> ya, it crashes a lot just looking at it in karmic I have noticed
[06:42] <nixternal> half the time I don't even realize the crash until plasma-desktop restarts
[06:42] <nixternal> and it looks like layers on teh bottom for just a second
[06:44] <ScottK> We are doing rc2 for karmic
[06:47] <bobesponja> ok, cool
[06:47] <bobesponja> I'm on karmic =)
[06:48] <bobesponja> ScottK: karmic only?
[06:48] <ScottK> That's all that's started.  We usually do the backport after.
[06:49] <bobesponja> ok, thanks for the info
[08:17] <Lure> nixternal_: would you run for CC?
[08:17]  * Lure would like to see kubuntu person in CC  ;-)
[11:13] <ryanakca> Could I get some suggestions for bug 389245 please so that I can get it fixed and start prodding sysadmins?
[11:22] <Riddell> dddddddddddddd
[11:23] <neversfelde> Bielefeld?
[11:30] <ryanakca> hsitter: Started on it, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Website/HowtoHelp ... I'll finish it when I get back from work.
[13:09] <Riddell> agateau: back home?
[13:09] <agateau> Riddell: yup
[13:10] <agateau> Riddell: still at GCDS?
[13:10] <Riddell> yes, but it's very quiet today
[13:11] <Riddell> agateau: if ever you want more notifications work to do, the updatedb cron could really do with a GUI notification, I always wonder why my system grinds to a halt and have to run top to spot it
[13:11] <agateau> Riddell: nice idea :)
[13:11] <agateau> I am also always wondering about this
[13:17] <Riddell> ~twitter update the amount of sand I have in my hair is scary
[13:17] <kubotu> status updated
[13:28] <ScottK> Riddell: dontzap somehow fell out of our seed.  I put it back, but it'd been dropped to Universe in the meantime.  Would you please promote it?
[13:29] <Riddell> I thought that came in through a Recommends
[13:31] <Riddell> launchpad seems to think it's in main
[13:31] <Riddell> although the archive doesn't, maybe someone else just put it back?
[13:31] <ScottK> Riddell: Perhaps.  I reseeded it last night.  I put it back as a desktop/netbook recommends
[13:43] <james_w> ScottK: has it been fixed to do the right thing in the new X world?
[13:44] <ScottK> james_w: I'll test it and see.
[13:45] <james_w> doesn't look like it from the changelog
[13:45] <ScottK> Apparently not since I'm still here.
[13:45] <ScottK> james_w: Thanks for pointing that out.
[13:51] <james_w> ScottK: might also be worth checking the KDE thing for configuring keyboard layouts
[13:51] <james_w> there's a chance it's an option in there now
[13:51] <ScottK> Good point.  Thanks.
[13:54] <ScottK> It appears not.
[14:29] <ScottK> james_w: Thanks again for hunting that down.
[14:29] <james_w> np
[14:30] <ScottK> vorian: We can drop dontzap and tseliot's patch from kdebase as there is (well hidden) upstream support for re-enabling ctrl-alt-backspace now.
[14:31] <ScottK> vorian: For you please take care of that in the RC2 packaging.
[14:31] <ScottK> I think we'll want a release note on that too.
[14:31] <ScottK> Gotta run.  Back in an hour
[14:36] <rgreening> ScottK: how hidden?
[14:37] <ScottK> It's a bit twisty, but it's there.  I can give specifics when I get back.
[14:40] <rgreening> kk
[14:46] <maco> rgreening, in the language -> keyboard settings, go to the advanced tab and scroll down
[14:46] <maco> (in systemsettings)
[14:53] <vorian> it's all in one patch
[14:55] <maco> just wondering: did any of you go to Keyboard to set your layout and then discover it doesnt have keyboard layout, just shortcuts and get confused?
[15:14] <hsitter> ryanakca++
[15:33] <Mamarok> hi all
[15:33] <Mamarok> is there a chance to get the folowing fixed?
[15:34] <Mamarok>  kde-devel: Depends: kde-core (>= 5:50ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1) but 5:48ubuntu2~jaunty1~ppa1 is installed
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> sup dudes
[15:52] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Packaging RC2.  Got time to help?
[15:53]  * JontheEchidna is 1k miles away from his dev computer
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> nice of them to give us some warning, though
[15:54] <hsitter> uh
[15:54] <hsitter> JontheEchidna \o/
[15:54]  * hsitter hugs JontheEchidna
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> hsitter: btw, that bug I assigned to you yesterday should be fixed in RC2, so you probably don't have to worry about it
[15:54] <hsitter> you assigned me to a bug? Oo
[15:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You still in VA?
[15:55]  * hsitter notes that JontheEchidna should fix the weather bug though
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: KY
[15:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Ah.  Even more backward.
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> we were in VA until the 4th
[15:56] <hsitter> JontheEchidna: the plasma one?
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> hsitter: yus
[15:56] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: When are you back?
[15:56] <hsitter> ok
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> let's see, we leave sunday
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> so monday we'll get back, I think
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[15:58]  * hsitter thinks that the oxygen firefox theme is ported to 3.5 somewhat
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> hsitter: the weather bug is where the BBC changed their service URL, right?
[15:58] <lex79> JontheEchidna: o/
[15:58] <hsitter> JontheEchidna: bug 396698
[15:59] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: oh hi
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> hsitter: ok, yeah. the weather dataengine probably cached the old weather condition, but can't get the new one since the url changed
[16:00] <Quintasan> oh well, that reminds me I picked up the t-clock plasmoid
[16:00] <Quintasan> RC2 comes first
[16:00] <hsitter> so, should I sue bbc for drowning the city of st. pölten?
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> lex79, Quintasan; o/
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> hsitter: lol
[16:00] <Quintasan> hsitter: plz do so :D
[16:01] <ScottK> hsitter: Was it a nice place?
[16:01] <hsitter> nah, never liked it, was just worth a cigarette break when going from upper austria to vienna
[16:01] <ScottK> Then probably not.
[16:01] <hsitter> too bad
[16:02] <ScottK> Not enough in damages to justify the pain of the paperwork
[16:52] <ScottK> Tonio_: I could REALLY use those default settings.  Even if they aren't perfect ....
[17:07] <hsitter> http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/oxyfox-3.5.ogv
[17:07] <nixternal_> Lure: I would run, yes
[17:09] <Quintasan> oxyfox?
[17:10] <hsitter> oxygen theme for firefox
[17:10] <Quintasan> do want
[17:10] <Quintasan> :>
[17:15] <Lure> nielsslot: great! I think you are perfect candidate! If you need cheerleaders for nomination, let me know ;-)
[17:15] <Lure> nixternal_: ^^^
[17:15] <maco> that would be @ nixternal_?
[17:15] <Lure> maco: yes
[17:15] <nixternal_> am I being nominated?
[17:16] <maco> i wonder how many nominations there are so far. i nominated pleia2.
[17:16] <Lure> nixternal_: I would nominate you, if you are fine to run for it
[17:16] <nixternal_> sure, go for it
[17:16] <Lure> nixternal_: ok, will write e-mail tonight
[17:17] <hsitter> Quintasan: http://aplg.kollide.net/install.html
[17:17] <Quintasan> if it counts nixternal_ has my vote :P
[17:18] <nixternal_> he has my vote too :)
[17:18] <Lure> Quintasan: it will, when we get to voting
[17:18] <maco> how does the voting work?
[17:18] <maco> each pick one? put them in the order of preference then instant run off?
[17:19] <Lure> maco: I think sabdfl confirms nominees and then they get voted by all members
[17:19] <Lure> maco: afair
[17:19] <maco> right, but how does the voting by all members part work
[17:19] <Lure> maco: launchpad
[17:19] <maco> so we each pick one and the 4 with the most votes get it?
[17:19] <Lure> maco: like kubuntu-council vote recently
[17:19] <Lure> maco: right
[17:19] <hsitter> polls in launchpad are the suck
[17:19] <maco> im not a kubuntu member so i didnt vote in kubuntu council thingy
[17:20] <maco> just a normal ubuntu member
[17:20] <Lure> maco: you are not? then add topic to next kubuntu meeting... ;-)
[17:21] <maco> or wait til my ubuntu membership expires in a few months then do the kubuntu meeting and get 'em both covered in one go
[17:21] <Lure> hsitter: is nick change to be permanent?
[17:21] <ScottK> Lure: I'm pretty sure with hsitter, nothing is permenant.
[17:21] <Lure> maco: you can prolong membership expiration on your own - no need to reapply
[17:21] <Quintasan> wait, being a kubuntu member !== ubuntu member?
[17:21] <maco> kubuntu members are a subset of ubuntu members
[17:22] <Lure> maco: and I think getting ubuntu members become kubuntu members should not be that hard process
[17:22] <Quintasan> :<
[17:22] <maco> if you get kubuntu membership, you get automatic ubuntu membership, but not vice versa
[17:22] <Lure> maco: even though kubuntu council is know to be though when it gets to memberships ;-)
[17:22] <Lure> known
[17:22] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for Quintasan
[17:22]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to Quintasan.
[17:22]  * hsitter tends to agree with ScottK
[17:22] <maco> and thorough?
[17:23] <Quintasan> kubotu: order Council Seat for nixternal_
[17:23]  * kubotu slides council seat down the bar to nixternal_
[17:23] <maco> haha
[17:23] <Quintasan> :P
[17:23]  * Lure has sometimes hard time to map nick -> person
[17:23] <hsitter> Lure: you know, I can quite the bitch when grilling people :P
[17:23] <hsitter> +be
[17:24] <Lure> hsitter: I am glad I was accepted before you getting into council ;-)
[17:24] <Quintasan> lol
[17:24] <Quintasan> :D
[17:24] <nixternal> silly lil tail
[17:25] <maco> hey so if i wanted to apply to motu at the last MC meeting of the year (i assume thats in december?), what should i do between now and then to make sure i know how things work well?
[17:25] <hsitter> hm
[17:25] <hsitter> tail => pony => nixternal == ninja pony
[17:25] <hsitter> ponies++
[17:25] <Quintasan> LOL :D
[17:25] <maco> shirts at a hackercon last year: i <3 pwnies
[17:25] <nixternal> muhahaha
[17:25]  * Lure notices that today's alternate image is no good for my karmic reinstall - will have to wait another day.. :-(
[17:25] <nixternal> watch out for my back kick
[17:25] <hsitter> oh my
[17:26]  * Quintasan pokes nixternal with a stick
[17:26] <Quintasan> :3
[17:26] <hsitter> maco: become a ninja
[17:26] <maco> hsitter, im not in good enough shape :(
[17:26] <nixternal> lol
[17:26]  * Quintasan puts on his nin4 suit
[17:26] <hsitter> maco: in that case package some stuff from kde-apps/gnome-apps
[17:26] <hsitter> or plasmoids
[17:26] <hsitter> everyone likes packaging plasmoids since it includes no work whatsoever
[17:26] <nixternal> why do I keep getting these emails from OLF for speakers? maco are you getting them too?
[17:26] <Quintasan> :D
[17:27]  * Quintasan has packaged over 9000 plasmoids
[17:27] <hsitter> and spent over 5 minutes on them
[17:27] <hsitter> like, all of them
[17:27] <hsitter> :P
[17:27] <ScottK> And it shows ....
[17:27] <ScottK> ;-)
[17:27] <Quintasan> you got me there :P
[17:27] <hsitter> kubotu: np
[17:27] <kubotu> hsitter doesn't exist on last.fm, perhaps they need to: lastfm user <username>
[17:28] <hsitter> pff
[17:28] <hsitter> kubotu: np apachelogger
[17:28] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Poor Leno (Istanbul Forever Take)" by Röyksopp [Röyksopp's Night Out (Live EP), 2006]; see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[17:28] <Quintasan> kubotu: np Quintasan
[17:28] <kubotu> Quintasan listened to "The Picard Song" by DarkMateria [[non-album tracks]] 18 hours ago; see http://www.last.fm/user/Quintasan for more
[17:28] <Quintasan> oh
[17:28] <hsitter> *nod*
[17:28] <Quintasan> It's alive!
[17:28] <hsitter> Huma after all, huh? :P
[17:28] <hsitter> *Human even
[17:29] <hsitter> Firefox theming causes quite the brain demage alright
[17:29] <Quintasan> sup, where's my AmaroK?
[17:29]  * ScottK notes that the smb thing on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Karmic is very lonely.  
[17:30]  * hsitter thinks it should be redone from scratch through, the original concept was not really including upgrading it for new firefox versions, but oxygen versions, while indeed the former is much more important and also more work than the latter
[17:30] <ScottK> That'd be a really great thing to get done if someone could take that one.
[17:30] <hsitter> sftp ftw :P
[17:30] <hsitter> sftp + avahi ftw!
[17:30] <hsitter> that said, did anyone look into making the new network kio slave use sftp instead of fish?
[17:34]  * nixternal updates patches for apport-kde in kubuntu lp integration in kdelibs
[17:34]  * hsitter shudders
[17:36] <maco> nixternal, i got one. it showed up 24 hours after the cfp closed. *shrug*
[17:37] <maco> by the way, anyone wanna sponsor umm... 6 debdiffs?
[17:37] <Quintasan> :D
[17:38] <hsitter> so
[17:38] <hsitter> who is doing kubufox?
[17:38] <hsitter> that name, btw, totally doesn't fit in with any naming semi-policy we apply
[17:39] <hsitter> s/kubufox/firefox-kubuntu
[17:39] <Quintasan> my question is, how we will know when to pull kubufox instead of ubufox?
[17:39] <maco> kubuntu-desktop?
[17:39] <maco> if its installed, ...umm...hrm...
[17:39] <maco> is it possible to have conditional dependencies?
[17:39] <hsitter> no
[17:39] <maco> oh!
[17:40] <maco> do kubufox|ubufox
[17:40] <hsitter> you can do ubufox | firefox-kubuntu
[17:40] <hsitter> that would still prefer ubufox over firefox-kubuntu though
[17:40] <maco> if they have ubuntu-desktop theyll already have ubufox
[17:40] <Quintasan> meta-package?
[17:40] <maco> if its a kde only system, itll grab kubufox
[17:40] <hsitter> of course if apt was at least the tiniest bit intelligent it would choose whatever is suggested by most other packages
[17:40]  * Quintasan suggests metapackage for firefox-kubuntu
[17:40] <hsitter> Quintasan: what use would that have?
[17:41] <hsitter> maco: apt is not that good
[17:41] <Quintasan> hsitter: well, pull firefox and kubufox?
[17:41] <maco> but in | situations, it takes the first one unless the second is already there
[17:41] <hsitter> Quintasan: that is what kubuntu-desktop would do
[17:41] <nixternal> hsitter: has kdelibs 4.3 RC2 been pushed to builds yet? is it safe for me to make a quick change in bzr?
[17:41] <hsitter> maco: righto
[17:41] <ScottK> nixternal: It has not.
[17:41] <maco> so if kubufox is first, itll be installed only on systems that dont alrady have ubufox. that is, in kde-only systems
[17:42] <maco> but itll prevent kde-only systems from preferring ubufox
[17:42] <hsitter> nixternal: I am not doing release work for now
[17:42] <nixternal> k, I am going to make a quick change in bzr, so vorian/hsitter/ScottK remember to bzr up before pushing it
[17:42] <ScottK> nixternal: What is it?
[17:42] <maco> (does my logic work?)
[17:42] <hsitter> well
[17:42] <hsitter> TBH
[17:43] <hsitter> firefox-kubuntu and ubufox should be suggests
[17:43] <ScottK> maco: I think so.
[17:43] <hsitter> so they shouldn't be pulled in, but recommended by the appropriate -desktop packages
[17:43] <Quintasan> +1 hsitter
[17:44] <maco> but if firefox isnt a by default on kubuntu,why pull its extension in k-d?
[17:44] <nixternal> ScottK: changed kubuntu_51_launchpad_integration.diff to use my new apport-kde application instead of apport-qt
[17:44] <ScottK> hsitter: We can't recommend anything firefox in kubuntu-desktop because it'll pull all the gtk stuff onto the CD.
[17:44] <Quintasan> maco: firefox reccomends ubufox and apt pulls recommends by default
[17:44] <hsitter> ScottK: don't make firefox-kubuntu depend on firefox :P
[17:44] <nixternal> Riddell: kdelibs/khelpmenu will now use apport-kde...that job is done :)
[17:44] <maco> Quintasan, im saying change firefox to recommends kubufox | ubufox
[17:45] <hsitter> maco: then anyone will get kubuntu integration over ubuntu's
[17:45] <ScottK> maco: I don't think it recommends either right now.  Also you need to consider Xubuntu too.
[17:45] <hsitter> e.g. someone workign his way up from a minimal installation etc.
[17:45] <ScottK> hsitter: Not everyone, ubufox is part of ubuntu-desktop
[17:45] <maco> xubuntu doesnt have firefox by default?
[17:45] <ScottK> maco: They do, but do they have ubufox?
[17:45] <maco> what's it use? epiphany?
[17:45] <maco> hm dunno
[17:46] <hsitter> ScottK: well, everyone who does not have ubufox yet anyway
[17:46] <Quintasan> I think another problem is - we don't have a frontend to apturl
[17:46] <ScottK> Quintasan: Get cracking.
[17:46] <maco> i was thinking if the others have ubufox pre-installed by default, then only kubuntu ever looks at that recommends: line and does something with it
[17:46] <hsitter> apturl is a load of workaround
[17:46] <Quintasan> I have no coding skills :P
[17:46] <hsitter> that stuff should be implemented into kpackagekit in generic matter :P
[17:47] <hsitter> maco: there are cases where you don't have it installed in either case
[17:47] <hsitter> maco: + you need to consider derivates I suppose
[17:47] <hsitter> those might not ship with firefox nor ubufox but user can still install if they choose to
[17:47] <maco> :(
[17:47] <hsitter> weird grammar I have today :D
[17:48] <hsitter> maco: the ultimate solution is that apt scores alternative options by the amount of suggestions
[17:49] <hsitter> so kubuntu-desktop would suggest firefox-kubuntu and ubuntu-desktop would suggest ubufox
[17:49] <nixternal> OK, gonna go watch some of the TDF, back in a bit
[17:49] <hsitter> if former is installed firefox-kubuntu gets pulled in due to higher score
[17:49] <hsitter> if both are installed: whatever gets listed first gets installed
[17:49] <maco> or if apt could have if (kubuntu-desktop.installed == true) recommends: kubufox ; else recommends: ubufox
[17:49] <hsitter> if say xubuntu-desktop also suggests ubufox, and all three -desktop packages are installed
[17:50] <hsitter> ubufox gets higher score than firefox-kubuntu
[17:50] <ScottK> Perhaps firefox can recommend firefox-enhancements | ubufox | kubuntu-firefox where firefox-enhancements is a virtual package that both provide.  If some derivative wants some different (or even empty) enhancements package they can provide it.
[17:51] <hsitter> hm
[17:51] <hsitter> ScottK: wouldn't that still install ubufox?
[17:52] <ScottK> Put them in a different order or we could seed an empty kubuntu-no-firefox package than provides it.
[17:52] <ScottK> It's what we're doing with default-mta currently.
[17:52] <ScottK> In Debian default-mta is provided by exim4, in Ubuntu it's provided by postfix.
[17:52] <hsitter> well, that is not much different from actually putting kubuntu-firefox on the CD without depends on firefox :P
[17:53] <hsitter> actually
[17:53] <hsitter> s/kubuntu-firefox/firefox-kubuntu
[17:54] <Quintasan> guys, is it a good sign that I'm not satisied with packaging three kde thingies?
[17:54] <hsitter> you might be addicted
[17:54] <Quintasan> s/satisied/satisfied
[17:54] <Quintasan> lol
[17:54] <Quintasan> addiction to packaging
[17:55] <ScottK> Wahoo!  Kubuntu Netbook images failed to build.
[17:55] <hsitter> \o/
[17:56] <ScottK> This is exciting because we are now trying to build images and it was upstart's fault, not ours.
[17:56] <Quintasan> kubotu: order fixed Netbook images for ScottK
[17:56]  * kubotu slides fixed netbook images down the bar to ScottK
[17:56] <hsitter> just wait till I get my netbook
[17:56] <ScottK> Tonio_: ^^^ I say again, netbook-default-settings please.
[17:56] <hsitter> will beat up all of kde :P
[17:56] <Quintasan> also
[17:56] <hsitter> ScottK: do we actually have stuff that needs to be changed?
[17:56] <hsitter> supposedly that should be brain stormed first :P
[17:56] <ScottK> hsitter: Yes.  Mostly making stuff smaller.
[17:57] <hsitter> stuff being ...
[17:57] <ScottK> hsitter: Stuff being stuff Tonio_ has figured out, but hasn't shared.
[17:57] <hsitter> fonts should be smaller anyway, shouldn't they?
[17:57]  * ScottK is not worrying about it right now since Tonio_ has it covered.
[17:57] <hsitter> bad idea aggregation process I must say :P
[17:58] <hsitter> ScottK: minds>mind :P
[17:59] <Quintasan> ARGH
[17:59] <ScottK> More interestingly we worked out a sketch of a plan for plasma-netbook (not plasma-mid anymore) integration for Karmic with upstream yesterday.
[17:59] <Quintasan> LP is so slooow
[18:00] <ScottK> Plasma-netbook is being developed for KDE 4.4 due to some stuff needed that isn't in 4.3.
[18:00] <hsitter> ScottK: is it going to be usable by karmic release?
[18:00] <ScottK> Yes
[18:00] <Quintasan> yay \o/
[18:00] <hsitter> Quintasan: use chromium :P
[18:01] <Quintasan> it isnt going to help, is it? :P
[18:01] <ScottK> What we worked out is to get some patches to kde4libs/kdebase* we can backport before feature freeze.  Then we get FFe to land plasma-netbook crack up to the very end.
[18:01] <hsitter> Quintasan: plasma-netbook?
[18:01] <Quintasan> hsitter: chromium :P
[18:01] <hsitter> Quintasan: sure it will
[18:01] <hsitter> way faster
[18:02] <ScottK> hsitter: So we have some bleeding edge super cool netbook crack to demo, but don't do anything to put the stability of the regular Kubuntu desktop at risk with late changes.
[18:03] <maco> "crack" is an incredibly popular word in the *buntu world, isn't it?
[18:03] <hsitter> well, judging from earlier backports I would think that the patches could risk stability :P
[18:03] <ScottK> That's why they are done by feature freeze so if there are problems we have time to work it out.
[18:03] <hsitter> we had most of the other backports also by feature freeze :P
[18:03] <ScottK> What really bit us on the backports before was doing them at the last moment.
[18:03] <ScottK> hsitter: Not the python plasma one.
[18:04] <ScottK> Which gave us the lovely circular build-dep in KDE 4.1/Intrepid
[18:04] <hsitter> well, I told you that this one would cause problems
[18:04] <ScottK> You were right.  We shouldn't have done that one.
[18:04] <ScottK> I think the rest were OK.
[18:05]  * hsitter reverted a lot of backports
[18:05] <hsitter> e.g. the kwin cube stuff
[18:05] <hsitter> anyway
[18:05] <ScottK> OK.  Right, so we ended up OK.
[18:05] <hsitter> the thing is: what do we do if there appears some problem we can't work around?
[18:06] <hsitter> pull off plasma-netbook, or go ahead anyway?
[18:06] <ScottK> Then we dump it and push to Karmic +1
[18:06] <hsitter> hm
[18:06]  * Quintasan is getting more confident with bzr and ppa's :P
[18:06] <hsitter> ScottK: maybe we could get it into backports along with the necessary deps?
[18:07] <ScottK> We've said from the beginning that our minimal objective for Kubuntu Netbook in this cycle was to provide a traditional Kubuntu, but scaled for netbooks.
[18:07] <hsitter> Quintasan: if I had time and motivation to finish the dev-tool porting to server based system it would be even more comfortable ;-)
[18:07] <Quintasan> hmm should I bump libqt4-phonon-dev to 4.5.2?
[18:08] <ScottK> hsitter: Maybe.  We might also push some stuff to a PPA, but then we'd have to be Kubuntu Netbook Remix and I really want to avoid that.
[18:08] <ScottK> Quintasan: No.  4.5.1/4.5.2 should be binary compatible.
[18:08] <Quintasan> okay
[18:08] <hsitter> ScottK: ok, I think we should make it clear that regular 4.3 pimped for netbook is the main focus
[18:09]  * hsitter notes that the public advertisement that happened for the kwin cube backport was quite unproducitve
[18:09] <hsitter> so we should avoid that kind of stuff :)
[18:09] <ScottK> That should be done soon. (If Tonio_ would deliver his setting changes - did I mention that).
[18:15] <ScottK> hsitter: As a matter of strategy, we should proof the kde4libs/kdebase* changes in a PPA and be comfortable with them before they go into the archive.
[18:17] <Quintasan> yarr, moar packaing
[18:17] <Quintasan> packaging*
[18:17] <hsitter> insane he is
[18:17] <hsitter> a new minion we need
[18:18] <hsitter> ScottK: well, they shouldn't stay too long there
[18:18] <ScottK> Agreed.
[18:19] <hsitter> the most critical issues aren't within the range of expected ones, and might not be related
[18:19] <hsitter> so larger test coverage makes a lot of sense
[18:20] <Quintasan> ScottK: please check my question in da bunk3r
[18:49] <_Groo_> anyone here testing dri2/kms for radeon?
[19:58] <Quintasan> rgreening_: ping
[20:01] <rgreening> hey Quintasan
[20:02] <Quintasan> rgreening: need help with anything?
[20:02] <Quintasan> I'm going out for whole weekend and I think I can do something in advance :P
[20:03] <hsitter> major pot move with KDE 4.3 coming in
[20:03] <rgreening> Quintasan: hmm... nothing at the moment...
[20:03] <Quintasan> pot == translation?
[20:03] <Quintasan> +s
[20:04]  * Quintasan found work on LP
[20:05] <hsitter> po == translation
[20:05] <hsitter> pot == translation template
[20:10] <_Groo_> can anyone confirm if policykit is broken in jaunty? i cant make k3b/brasero show the dvd device when running as normal user.. only as root :(
[20:11] <Lure> _Groo_: works for me with k3b
[20:12] <_Groo_> Lure: k3b 2.0 i might add... not old k3b for kde3
[20:14] <Lure> _Groo_: yes, k3b 1.65.0~alpha1+svn962070-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[20:14] <Lure> _Groo_: ups, it is from ppa
[20:15] <Lure> _Groo_: I think it is from Tonio_'s ppa
[20:16] <Quintasan> hmm, should I REVU train-clock plasmoid? from SVN ofc
[20:18] <Quintasan> I hate writing description for clock plasmoids
[20:18] <Quintasan> ARGH
[20:20] <hsitter> well
[20:20] <hsitter> eh
[20:20] <hsitter> srsly
[20:20] <hsitter> don't we have enough clocks?
[20:21] <maco> bored core devs? anyone?
[20:22] <Quintasan> hsitter: Bug #383478
[20:22] <Riddell> nixternal: what's this about kdelibs and apport?
[20:22] <Quintasan> :D
[20:22] <nixternal> Riddell: fixed it to use the new apport-kde instead of apport-qt, and fixed it so apport works with kde apps under Help -> File bug report...
[20:23] <smarter> Card addCard(Card card = Card());
[20:24] <Riddell> nixternal: ahh clever
[20:24] <smarter> sometimes, it feels like C++ is a little bit too verbose :P
[20:24] <Riddell> nixternal: I also fixed some bugs in apport-kde in a branch in ~jr and put in a merge request
[20:24] <nixternal> groovy
[20:28] <Quintasan> lol @ launchpad
[20:28] <Quintasan> loading time : 22 minutes and 20 seconds
[20:32] <_Groo_> Lure: do you have brasero installed also? can you check if he shows the devices?
[20:36] <Lure> _Groo_: no, and I cannot check, as my burner is USB and @work, so no way to try again until Monday
[20:36] <Lure> _Groo_: but I have burned some CDs today, that is why I know it worked for me ;-)
[20:38] <_Groo_> Lure: usbs are diferent... i need someone with an internal dvd drive
[20:38] <_Groo_> or cd for that matter
[20:41] <_Groo_> two more bugs :)
[20:41] <_Groo_> ops, wrong window
[20:46] <hsitter> Quintasan: I really do not think we should package stuff that is in playground and not released
[20:46] <hsitter> might very well be that the original creator has no interest in maintaining it but wanted to publish it for reference et all
[20:46] <Quintasan> well it's borked hsitter, borked beyond my motivation to fix it
[20:46] <hsitter> see :P
[20:46] <Quintasan> also skills I think
[20:47] <hsitter> reject reject reject!
[20:47] <hsitter> we ought to add less and polish more :P
[20:47] <hsitter> oh
[20:47] <hsitter> perfect project
[20:47] <hsitter> Quintasan: kde-icons-oxygen needs to be renamed
[20:47] <hsitter> oxygen-icon-theme
[20:48] <Quintasan> if you wont accept it the I will push it to my PPA :P
[20:48] <hsitter> since it is not KDE-specific but following xdg spec for the better part
[20:48] <Quintasan> hsitter: sure thing :P
[20:48] <_Groo_> anyone else with policykit 0.9.2 and a dvd/cd burner?
[20:48] <hsitter> so the package name should be aligned with other xdg following themes like tango or human
[20:48] <hsitter> Quintasan: this also needs to be discussed with the debian kde team, though I suppose they will agree
[20:49] <Quintasan> hsitter: I should do it in bzr?
[20:49] <hsitter> well, first talk to debian (mailing list eg)
[20:49] <hsitter> if they agree change it in debian and in bzr
[20:49] <Quintasan> I prefer irc
[20:50] <hsitter> Quintasan: whatever, but make sure a mail gets sent
[20:50] <Quintasan> k
[20:50] <hsitter> decision making needs to be better documented :P
[20:51] <hsitter> next on the agenda:
[20:51] <hsitter> apachelogger or hsitter?
[20:51] <hsitter> no nick change or nick change?
[20:51] <Quintasan> no nick change
[20:51] <maco> bzr revert
[20:52]  * hsitter thinks that apachelogger is almost a trademark so he likes that better
[20:52] <apachelogger> \o/
[20:57] <apachelogger> well, my dear friends
[20:57] <apachelogger> time for the bed it is again
[20:57] <apachelogger> see you tomorrow :)
[20:57] <maco> hehe yoda
[20:57] <Quintasan> debian irc - responsive as usual xD
[20:58] <Quintasan> apparently, #debian-kde is wrong channel xD
[21:00] <Sime> Hi all, I'm having a bad time updating karmic. It seems to be crashing during pkg upgrade/install.
[21:01] <maco> what crashed? did it just log you out to a teminal?
[21:01] <maco> if so, it restarted kdm because it updated kdm. current version of that package wont do that from now on, its just a remnant of the old package
[21:02] <maco> (at least, i hope it was fixed in kdm when fixed in gdm....)\
[21:02] <Sime> well, it wouldn't boot.
[21:03] <Sime> I've kind of fixed it by rescuing it.
[21:03] <maco> crash usually invovles having it run to begin with
[21:03] <Sime> "dpkg --configure -a" also crashed/rebooted the machine.
[21:03] <Sime> I'm running dpkg again now.
[21:04] <Sime> it is still running.
[21:05] <maco> less /var/log/apt/term.log will let you see where the crash happened
[21:10] <ScottK> Sime: If it didn't boot: Do you have Kernel Mode Setting disabled?
[21:10] <Sime> ScottK: it looks like it didn't boot because dpkg wasn't finished properly.
[21:10] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.
[21:11] <Sime> ScottK: I haven't seen or done anything with KMS. (virtual box BTW)
[21:11] <ScottK> My new netbook wouldn't boot until I disabled KMS.
[21:11] <Sime> it looks a lot better now.
[21:11] <Sime> KDE 4.3 with air and X working ok.
[21:12] <ScottK> We're about to start uploading RC2.
[21:13] <ScottK> Sime: I showed my netbook with Kubuntu last night to a guy who's a very pro-Windows IT person and it took him less than I minute to decide he wanted one.
[21:13] <ScottK> He's had a Windows XP netbook and sent it back because it was complete crap.
[21:13] <Sime> hehe.
[21:13] <Sime> I showed my KDE 4 to my brother in law.
[21:14] <Sime> The "zoom out and show all virtual desktops" sold him. ;-)
[21:14] <ScottK> shtylman: You did the installer map and other improvements, right?
[21:14] <Quintasan> I will kill him, I swear
[21:14] <ScottK> Quintasan: Who, so we can give them a fair running start?
[21:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger
[21:15] <ScottK> Fortunately he doesn't exist anymore, so it should help on your dry cleaning bill.
[21:15] <Quintasan> he asked me to discuss with debian changing oxygen-icons to oxygen-icon-theme
[21:15] <Quintasan> http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/oxygen-icons_4:4.2.95-1.html
[21:15] <Sime> ScottK: just a heads up. There will be a new PyQt bug fix release soon, maybe this weekend. You'll need it for plasma.
[21:15] <Quintasan> and I lol'd
[21:15] <_Groo_> Sime: well radeon guys broken our beloved kwin3d :P i cant use it anymore with latest dri2/kms :(
[21:15] <_Groo_> Sime: only compiz ¬¬
[21:16] <ScottK> Sime: So do I need it before I upload RC2 and if so is there a patch I can use in the meantime?
[21:16] <Sime> _Groo_: you would expect these drivers to settle down and just work one day.
[21:17] <Sime> ScottK: it is not super-critical. Without it Python plasmoids which use data engines will fail.
[21:17] <ScottK> Intel + KMS is promised to start working in the next release.
[21:17] <maco> works here..
[21:18] <ScottK> Sime: OK, so there's no build time issue?  It's just broken at run time until we get the fix?
[21:18] <Sime> ScottK: run time, yes.
[21:18] <ScottK> OK.  Cool.  We can live with the for the moment.
[21:19] <_Groo_> Sime: it worked till last month.. i already opened a bug and bugged the hell out of the radeon devs.. airlied and agd5f both want my skull... (two more to go ::)
[21:19] <Sime> _Groo_: keep on them...
[21:20]  * Quintasan will make sure apachelogger spill all the details before giving him work
[21:21] <_Groo_> Sime: quote from airlied lol... some time ago in a galaxy very very close... i care little for your card (my evil rs485), i care even less for kwin 3d lol lol
[21:21] <_Groo_> Quintasan: cant you make apachelogger bleed a little too? eheheheh
[21:22] <Quintasan> oh, he ain't going to bleed a little, I think he needs to spill at least 3 liters of blood :>
[21:22] <Quintasan> om nom nom
[21:23] <ScottK> Quintasan: Who charged off to talk to Debian without enough facts?  Consider it learning a 'life lesson' and be glad the cost was so low.
[21:23] <Quintasan> ScottK: be sure to eat apachelogger for this
[21:23] <Quintasan> :3
[21:24] <ScottK> Make sure to take pictures for the blog post.
[21:25] <Quintasan> also I think we won't rename it but create a transitional package like Debian did
[21:25] <Quintasan> ScottK: Pictures of what?
[21:25] <ScottK> The killing and eating.
[21:26]  * Quintasan looks around for his camera
[21:26]  * Quintasan looks for memory card
[21:26] <Quintasan> Done
[21:26] <Quintasan> :3
[21:32] <shtylman> ScottK: for this release cycle?
[21:32] <shtylman> or last?
[21:32] <ScottK> shtylman: Last.
[21:32] <ScottK> I don't think much has been done this time.
[21:32] <shtylman> yea...I did the installer map, patition bars, and other minor things
[21:32] <shtylman> ScottK: not yet ... but hopefull the new look will happen :)
[21:33] <ScottK> shtylman: OK.  Well did my first from scratch install since that work yesterday and it is absolutely lovely.  Fits nicely on 576 pixel tall screen too.
[21:33] <ScottK> shtylman: Good work.
[21:33] <shtylman> I just finishing moving, so I can pick up on my work again
[21:33] <ScottK> Excellent.
[21:34] <ScottK> shtylman: What have you got on your plate to work on?
[21:35] <shtylman> ScottK: installer improvements and OO touchup
[21:35] <ScottK> Cool.  Both important.
[21:35] <shtylman> installer being the primary thing I need to tackle now
[21:35]  * ScottK is looking for someone who can code and has time to do the smb config U/I.
[21:35] <maco> code what?
[21:35] <shtylman> start bringing in all these changes into the actual codebase and whatnot so they can be merged in and get out for testing
[21:35] <maco> does java count?
[21:37] <ScottK> No.
[21:37] <ScottK> It needs to be something we already have on CD.
[21:37] <ScottK> That's pretty much Python, Perl, or C++ I think.
[21:38] <ScottK> maco: What we want is a U/I for Samba configuration.  We had one in KDE3, but none in KDE4.
[21:46] <ScottK> Quintasan: So do we need more oxygen-icons changes before I upload it?
[21:46] <ScottK> kde4libs for RC2 is uploaded, so we've started.
[21:46] <maco> oh. ill go back to hiding then as i sorta kinda know how to use each of those languages, but not much more advanced than print "hello_world" if (1==1)
[21:47] <maco> oh wait...nope, cant even do that in c++. they have that cout thing i dont know how to use
[21:47] <ScottK> maco: The good news on this project is we have nothing now, so there's no downside risk in trying.  My recommenation would be Python.
[22:30] <nixternal> ScottK: quilt applied it smoothly
[22:30] <nixternal> did I copy the wrong patch over I wonder
[22:30] <ScottK> Dunno.  I force it and refreshed it and I think it's fine now.
[22:31] <ScottK> Just doing a test build before I upload.
[22:31] <ScottK> Like I should have the first time.
[22:31] <nixternal> ya, I didn't test build as quilt applied it cleanly, I may have copied the wrong patch over though
[22:31] <nixternal> copied the wrong patch to bzr that is
[22:31] <ScottK> nixternal: Would you please check.
[22:32] <nixternal> lol, I can't, as I rm -rf'd it :)
[22:32] <nixternal> I can redo it quickly though
[22:32] <nixternal> it is only changing 2 lines in the patch
[22:32] <ScottK> It applied this time.  Just look at what's in bzr and make sure it's the right change.
[22:33] <nixternal> it should just rmeove a comment, and change apport-qt to apport-kde, and change the -P to -p
[22:33] <nixternal> that's all it should do
[22:33] <nixternal> did you push to bzr? i just did a pull and didn't grab anything
[22:34] <ScottK> I didn't.
[22:34] <ScottK> I'll do it now.
[22:34] <nixternal> the patch looks correct in bzr
[22:35] <ScottK> quilt refresh seems to have mangled things.
[22:35] <ScottK> nixternal: Pushed
[22:36] <nixternal> umm, that patch is way different
[22:37] <ScottK> That's just push -f and refresh
[22:37] <ScottK> nixternal: Did you push all the previous patches before you applied yours?
[22:37] <nixternal> wth, kubuntu_07 is wrong as well
[22:38] <ScottK> nixternal: OK.  My push didn't change that one.
[22:38] <nixternal> that wasn't the same patch that was in bzr originally though
[22:39] <nixternal> there are about a hundred or so lines missing from it
[22:39] <ScottK> Not good.
[22:40] <ScottK> nixternal: Can you fix it quickly or perhaps I should drop them both for now and we can add them later?
[22:41] <nixternal> I will revert our last couple of changes, use quilt to re-edit, then test build before committing...can I have a few minutes?
[22:41] <ScottK> nixternal: How about you just upload when you're ready?
[22:41] <nixternal> I can do that
[22:41] <ScottK> OK.  We've pretty well got the whole stack done, so no point in waiting.
[23:09] <ScottK> Quintasan: oxygen-icons looks good.
[23:10] <Quintasan> ScottK: I haven't done anything with em yet
[23:10] <ScottK> OK.  Who did that one?
[23:10] <ScottK> Was it lex79?
[23:10] <ScottK> Looks fine in any case
[23:11] <Quintasan> + trasitional package?
[23:11] <ScottK> We didn't rename anything yet
[23:13] <nixternal> kdelibs is looking good thus far
[23:13] <nixternal> laptop is getting hot to touch :p
[23:14] <ScottK> Excellent
[23:14] <ScottK> When I migrated all my old mail from Outlook pst to maildir I needed to set my laptop on a bag of ice to keep it going
[23:14] <nixternal> I bet
[23:14] <nixternal> pst files were ridiculous back in the day
[23:15] <nixternal> I had to do that in like 1998 with my first job out the military
[23:15] <ScottK> Of course if you leave it on too long then it gets cold and you get condensation.  Also not good.
[23:15] <nixternal> they stuck me on a windows machine which was painful in the first place...eventually I wrote our software to work on Linux, took like a year but I got it, and that was it for my windows career :)
[23:19] <ScottK> a|wen: Feel like writing some code?
[23:19] <a|wen> in a language i know about?
[23:20] <ScottK> a|wen: New app, so you pick.  We need a Samba config U/I.
[23:20] <ScottK> It looks like the only big item on the TODO that I'm pretty sure no one is doing.
[23:21] <nixternal> that would be a fairly easy task
[23:21] <nixternal> just Qt'ize SWAT :p
[23:21] <ScottK> nixternal: It mostly needs someone to sit down and do it.
[23:21] <nixternal> if nobody does it, I am game
[23:23] <a|wen> i'm leaving for summer holiday in a few days ... so it will in any case be an august project for me
[23:23] <ScottK> nixternal: I'd say go for it then as feature freeze hits in August
[23:23] <nixternal> i have nothing else to do than ride my bike and look for a job :p
[23:25]  * a|wen "rides" his job and looks for a new bike instead
[23:27]  * Quintasan is glad apachelogger is not here :3
[23:30] <ScottK> nixternal: How's libs going?
[23:30] <nixternal> almost done
[23:30] <nixternal> laptop fan just kicked into high gear
[23:31] <nixternal> that means it is getting close
[23:31] <nixternal> 75%
[23:31] <nixternal> I fixed kubuntu_07 patch as well
[23:31] <nixternal> I think the reason the old patch didn't work is I may have broke it by manually editing it and copying the wrong one
[23:57] <nixternal> kdelibs uploaded, bzr branch updated
[23:57] <nixternal> time to go ride
[23:57] <nixternal> later!
[23:57] <ScottK> nixternal: Great.  See you later.