[08:18]  * thorwil wonders what to think of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Flowers
[08:20] <knome> suggest it as the new logo of ubutnu for mark
[08:20]  * knome hides
[08:26] <thorwil> kwwii: http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu/discuss/72157617257225731/
[08:28] <thorwil> what the hell is the point of an additional ubuntu users group? http://www.flickr.com/groups/590097@N22/pool/
[08:28] <thorwil> people are strange
[08:30] <thorwil> we have a Lord_Darth_Vader in the Community pool! http://www.flickr.com/photos/lord_darth_vader/1520509199/in/pool-ubuntu
[08:30] <thorwil> i would have thought he's a pure windows user
[08:45] <knittl> hi. i've been watching the breathe icon set bzr branch now quite a while and want to try it out
[08:45] <knittl> how can i install the icons? moving to /usr/share/icons/Breathe doesn't help
[08:46] <knittl> ah no. it did. only had to close the appearance dialog
[08:46] <knittl> sry for the fuss
[08:54] <thorwil> SiDi: translation, please
[09:02] <SiDi> thorwil: ballmer says "join the obscure side of the force"
[09:02] <SiDi> and novell answers "it already began and i bite my fin for it"
[09:06] <thorwil> hrmpf :)
[09:10] <thorwil> bbl
[12:56] <kwwii> wow, http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-artwork/ already has 35 members :)
[12:57] <knome> should i join? ;)
[12:57] <ruslanr> that's good :)
[12:57] <kwwii> everyone should join and everyone should upload amazing photos :)
[12:57] <knome> well, i'm not that active at flickr
[12:57] <knome> that's why i'm wondering
[12:58] <knome> well, i joined.
[12:59] <kwwii> ;)
[12:59] <kwwii> I have sucked you into the world of flickr
[12:59] <knome> nah
[13:00] <knome> my photos consist 60% of my desktop-shots
[13:00] <knome> IRL-desktop
[13:07] <kwwii> hehe
[13:07] <knome> i think i have to takeone for this year
[13:25] <knome> kwwii, http://www.flickr.com/photos/emunkki/3707110680/
[13:25] <knome> i apologize the *BAD* quality
[13:26] <knome> ruslanr, please do not *notice* :)
[13:26] <ruslanr> ok
[13:26] <ruslanr> sorry
[13:27] <knome> no problem
[13:27] <knome> i nearly missed it ;)
[13:28] <knome> and thanks btw ;)
[13:28] <knome> these are quite nice
[13:32] <kwwii> hehe, cool
[13:37] <SiDi> knome: your desktop lacks a sidi
[13:37] <SiDi> to use all this hardware
[13:40] <kwwii> btw, there is an update to the icon theme, gtk theme and metacity theme as well as a the humanity icons in my ppa
[13:41] <knome> SiDi, hah
[13:43] <SiDi> kwwii: mind giving me the PPA please ?
[13:43] <SiDi> and i didnt know about the gtk / metacity :o
[13:43] <SiDi> do you have screenshots too ? :d
[13:44] <kwwii> they look much the same (the human gtk is the only thing that really looks a bit different
[13:45] <kwwii> https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive/ppa
[13:49] <SiDi> for me the thing that needs a big refresh is the metacity :/
[13:49] <SiDi> err any reason why your PPA isn't available for jaunty kwwii ? :|
[13:51] <kwwii> SiDi: no, that seems really funky to me
[13:51] <michote> macrvr: Hi, the smileys look a bit inconsist in small res http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1429945/Bildschirmfoto-L%C3%A4cheln%21.png shall we fix this for 0.5?
[13:52] <michote> macrvr: I just fixed angry and smirk eye-size, maybe I should increase the eye-lines of tired and angel, too
[13:53] <michote> macrvr: mouth of sad and plain lokk a bit bold to me
[13:54] <michote> macrvr: ^look
[14:03] <macvr> michote: if i had changed the sad mouth to look like the inverted smile , it looked like a moustache
[14:04] <macvr> michote: plain looks looks ok, it only "looks" odd because u have it placed next to tired
[14:05] <kwwii> just updating all of my packages in the ppa for jaunty as well
[14:06] <macvr> kwwii: are you updating breathe as well?
[14:06] <macvr> in your ppa?
[14:06] <kwwii> macvr: breathe is not in my ppa
[14:07] <macvr> ah... ok.  juast asked since you said something about it earlier
[14:07] <macvr> just^
[14:08] <michote> macrvr: ;) maybee use brown like crying in sad, I think a 2px-line is too bold in 24x24 (it's the same as 48x48), but just my 2 cents
[14:08] <macvr> michote: i tired that, but it didnt look sad enough ;p
[14:08] <macvr> hence i kept it a bit darker
[14:09] <macvr> michote: do one thing , move the sad , plain to top row
[14:09] <kwwii> lol http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10282578-16.html
[14:10] <macvr> hahahahahah lmao
[14:10] <ruslanr> :p
[14:14] <kwwii> SiDi: ok, jaunty packages are now available
[14:15] <michote> macvr: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1429945/Bildschirmfoto-L%C3%A4cheln%21.png , then I'll change tired to a 2px mouth, too. I'll edit it's eyes anyway
[14:16] <macvr> michote: the tired looks fine , dont change
[14:16] <macvr> the mouth
[14:18] <macvr> michote: for sleepy the mouth looks fine in tired
[14:18] <michote> macvr: ok do you think the eyes look better now in the smaller sizes or is it too much? http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1429945/face-tired.png
[14:20] <macvr> michote: try like the face-kiss
[14:21] <macvr> michote: in face-kiss i had done the the eyes as just the gradient of yellow than white
[14:28] <michote> macvr: in 24 and 16 you didn't use gradient anymore in kiss
[14:29] <macvr> michote: it was not need for that smiley ;p you can use it in tired
[14:29] <macvr> needed^
[14:39] <macvr> Anyone knows how to fix this > Dust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:369: Murrine configuration option "style" is not supported and will be ignored.
[14:40] <macvr> what is the new options now?
[14:42] <michote> macvr: ok I removed it in 16px, shal I send the fixes to cory directly?
[14:42] <macvr> what fixes?
[14:43] <macvr> i thought you were doing it for some pidgin thing
[14:49] <michote> macvr: I just saw the inconsistence doing this pidgin-theme, don't you think this should be in Breathe as well?
[14:50] <macvr> michote: you can send it, i wasnt sure of the eyes when you uploaded it , but Cory accepted it... so not sure which he likes... send it anyway
[14:52] <michote> macvr: ok, I only changed eyes in 24 and 16px anyway :P
[15:09] <macvr>  Anyone knows how to fix this >>> Dust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:369: Murrine configuration option "style" is not supported and will be ignored. <<< what are the new options now?
[15:10] <macvr> dashua_: ^ ?
[15:19] <zniavre> engine?
[15:23] <macvr> zniavre: it is from the dust/dust sand theme... i'm not sure of the engine
[15:24] <macvr> zniavre: clearlooks
[15:25] <kwwii> it means that the style option is being changed or removed
[15:25] <kwwii> is being -> has been
[15:25] <macvr> kwwii: yup.. but what is the new option avail
[15:25] <kwwii> it means that the maintainer of Dust should get a bug and then talk to Cimi or someone about it
[15:25] <zniavre> do not know clearlooks sorry
[15:26] <kwwii> maybe they changed it to profile
[15:26] <SiDi> I just gave a little kitten up :(
[15:26] <kwwii> or removed it altogether
[15:26] <macvr> zniavre: np
[15:26] <knome> kwwii, removed the kitten?
[15:26] <kwwii> the same kind of option in murrine was called profile but it was deprecated about 6 months ago
[15:26] <kwwii> :p
[15:27] <macvr> kwwii: so changing style > profile should fix this?
[15:27] <macvr> ah no!
[15:30] <kwwii> no
[15:31] <kwwii> removing it will get rid of the problem but also change the style a bit I guess
[15:31] <kwwii> it depends if it is deprecated or already removed
[15:31] <kwwii> from the error I imagine you could remove it without any problem
[15:35] <macvr> kwwii: found this bug > Bug #348918
[15:35] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 348918 in community-themes "Dust theme uses deprecated murrine configuration options (dup-of: 345417)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348918
[15:35] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 345417 in human-theme ""highlight_ratio" will be deprecated" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345417
[15:36] <macvr> but the style hasnt yet been fixed
[15:36] <macvr> i'll see if it can be removed
[15:39] <macvr> kwwii: this is the only place where murrine engine specifies style> engine "murrine"
[15:39] <macvr> 	{
[15:39] <macvr> 		style	= NODOKA
[15:39] <macvr> 	}
[15:40] <macvr> i'm stumped... how do i change it?
[16:00] <kwwii> macvr: well, the murrine engine is different than clearlooks anyway
[16:03] <kwwii> my guess is that they split up the options which made it "gummy" into several other style properties
[16:03] <kwwii> so that one can mix and match between all the style properties instead of just having a few presets
[16:08]  * macvr keeps looking
[17:04] <macvr> fixed it...! had to replace style with roundedness/highlight_shade
[17:09] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Archives now includes a link to Dustink Kirkland's ubuntu museum
[17:46] <zniavre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Archives/5.04  my first linux/ubuntu try, never changed to another OS
[19:16] <macvr> SiDi: you were asking for a bug more than 32 duplicates... found 1 > Bug #72018
[19:16] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 72018 in xulrunner-1.9 "MASTER Firefox Crash [@gtk_style_realize] [@nsFilePicker::Show]" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72018
[19:17] <macvr> 205 dups!
[19:17] <macvr> SiDi: try beating that [205]  ;p
[19:41] <psyke83> kwwii: hey man. I just saw your message re: the packages in your PPA. I'm running Karmic, and it seems that human-theme needs a version bump. See:  http://pastebin.com/m6b268d87
[19:46] <SiDi> macvr: i just filed bug #666
[19:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 666 in malone "can't file a bug on Ubuntu" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/666
[19:46] <SiDi> Macvr is boring !
[19:47] <SiDi> (no offense ;) )
[19:48] <macvr> SiDi: ??? what does 666 have to do with me!
[20:41] <dashua> macvr: Try this package.  I updated to 0.4.  Redux will only work with nodoka from git.  It is pissing me off.  May have to backport to murrine =/
[20:41] <dashua> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Human-Redux?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=gnome-themes-ubuntu_0.4_all.deb
[20:42] <dashua> Clearlooks is gone in Dust
[20:44] <macvr> dashua: actually, i realized the prob was with murrine...  "style = NODOKA" , so i replaced it with roundness , now i dont get error
[20:45] <macvr> dashua: but using backports for the theme, might not be good , since the users wont be aware of the prob
[20:45] <dashua> I didn't think Dust used the nodoka engine
[20:45] <dashua> 0.4 is all murrine
[20:46] <macvr> oh... checking the gtkrc ... :)
[20:46] <SiDi> but therehas been a full nodoka version afaik
[20:46] <SiDi> but officious
[20:47] <dashua> Yeah, I made that one.  Not an official release though.
[20:48] <dashua> macvr: Can you send me the gtkrc or pastebin it?
[20:49] <macvr> dashua: of  dust?
[20:49] <dashua> The one you were having issues with?
[20:50] <macvr> ok..
[20:52] <macvr> dashua: http://filebin.ca/gmybe/gtkrc
[20:57] <dashua> macvr: http://launchpad.net/dusttheme/0.4/0.4.0/+download/Dust-0.4.tar.gz
[20:57] <dashua> I would use this version
[20:58] <macvr> ah... i had started editing this long time ago... only today i got fed up of the error :)
[20:58] <dashua> There a few murrine options in the original dust and style was deprecated to use profile
[20:58] <macvr> but thanx for the latest version
[20:59] <dashua> Send me the whole theme if you want it fixed if not just hack on that newer version
[21:00] <dashua> Humanity icon theme is a nice inheritance for Breathe, but not nearly as good.  More complete though.
[21:01] <macvr> yeah i like the humanity icons
[21:01] <dashua> Better than Breathe?
[21:01] <dashua> =/
[21:02] <macvr> ;p ... i'm not a fan of orange folders
[21:03] <dashua> Oh, both are orange.  One is just darker.
[21:04] <macvr> yeah...
[21:04] <macvr> dashua: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=103651 this was my old version
[21:04] <macvr> dashua: http://filebin.ca/tzwqeb/VDustSand.tar.gz
[21:04] <dashua> Ah ok
[21:04] <macvr> ^ my present version , i'm editing
[21:06] <macvr> dashua: I'm trying to get the top highlight like the DarkRoom one... But thinner. I'v done a crude hack , using window width... wasnt sure how Darkroom does it :(
[21:09] <dashua> I'll take a look into it.
[21:09] <dashua> Ah, Impression buttons.
[21:09] <dashua> They are nice.
[21:09] <macvr> ;p
[21:09] <macvr> I'v edited the colors
[21:10] <macvr> still redundant buttons are there in the folders,
[21:10] <dashua> macvr: I think I'm going blind temporarily using a blue theme ;p
[21:11] <macvr> which blue?
[21:11] <dashua> This blue is actually a nice shade
[21:11] <dashua> VDust
[21:12] <macvr> the select is only blue , rest is grey
[21:13] <dashua> Yeah
[21:13] <SiDi> macvr: friendship request!
[21:13] <macvr> any idea which lines dark room uses for the top highlight? there were too many and i got tired
[21:13] <macvr> SiDi: ??? you are totally confusing me today ???
[21:17]  * macvr glad lp is silent today...  there were too many new papercuts
[21:18]  * SiDi misses some purrs in the background
[21:20] <dashua> macvr: try round_bevel
[21:20] <macvr> for?
[21:21] <dashua> You want to get rid the top line?
[21:22] <dashua> That is where it is in darkroom
[21:22] <macvr> i want the top line
[21:22] <macvr> but the way i have done it is using the x=witdth -
[21:22] <dashua> oh
[21:22] <dashua> I'll add it for you
[21:22] <macvr> which messes up for very small windows
[21:23] <macvr> thanx
[21:26] <macvr> dashua: only for the normal small windows the theme has problems, the maximized window works well
[21:26] <macvr> also round_bevel was for progress bars?
[21:33] <dashua> They are handled by clearlooks
[21:34] <macvr> yeah , i changed them today to clearlooks
[21:35] <dashua> kwwii: Will Human-Clearlooks be deprecated in Karmic or is it staying in the human-theme package?
[21:35] <dashua> macvr: I'll have to work on this.
[21:36] <dashua> What did you use as a starting metacity?
[21:36] <macvr> dashua: i started with dust sand .
[21:36] <dashua> Sand?
[21:36] <dashua> Ok
[21:38] <kwwii> dashua: well, good question, now that you ask
[21:38] <macvr> dashua: i'm in no hurry, you can do it in your leisure
[21:39] <macvr> kwwii: pls dont remove clearlooks :(
[21:39] <kwwii> why?
[21:39] <kwwii> not that I would remove the engine
[21:39] <kwwii> or the other themes
[21:39] <macvr> i like it ;p
[21:39] <kwwii> but why have the human clearlooks stuff?
[21:40] <macvr> it has the blue ;p
[21:40] <kwwii> lol, that is not human
[21:40] <kwwii> we are talking about two different things
[21:40] <macvr> oh!
[21:41] <kwwii> but anyway....anyone who takes photos who is not on the flickr group and contributing should be
[21:41] <macvr> i thought he was referring to the clearlooks theme!
[21:41] <kwwii> and with that, I will call it a night
[21:41] <dashua> kwwii: Night mate.
[21:41] <kwwii> I toot my horn to everyone and then watch a film
[21:41] <kwwii> be good, have fun ;)
[21:41] <knome> see you kwwii
[21:42] <macvr> nite kwwii
[21:42] <SiDi> kwwii: what about people in the group and not taking photo ? (<-)
[21:42] <kwwii> night all
[21:42] <kwwii> SiDi: good point!
[21:42] <SiDi> night kwwii :p
[21:42] <knome> SiDi, i joined, so should you :P
[21:42] <SiDi> knome: i did too :D
[21:42] <kwwii> I actually thought about making another flickr group for that
[21:42] <knome> SiDi, you can take a photo of your... belly button
[21:42] <kwwii> people seem to like flickr
[21:42] <SiDi> knome: meh. i'll take a photo of kittens
[21:42] <knome> :D
[21:42] <SiDi> kwwii: i registered to yahoo for this group
[21:42] <knome> SiDi, they're not that cute
[21:42] <kwwii> and non-ubuntu people who have some talent seem to group there
[21:42] <SiDi> i resisted for ~7 years to yahoo !
[21:43]  * SiDi slaps knome with a angry kitten
[21:43] <knome> i think this might motivate me to use flickr more...
[21:43] <kwwii> so maybe it is a way to draw them to light side of the force
[21:43] <SiDi> hiya ckontros
[21:43] <SiDi> kwwii: sxc.hu is cool too  but not so communautary
[21:43] <kwwii> ok, he is back...I really gotta go
[21:43] <kwwii> SiDi: no doubt
[21:43] <SiDi> but you can surely find people who would accept giving you some photos there :)
[21:43] <kwwii> hi ckontros
[21:43] <kwwii> just kidding
[21:43] <kwwii> but I was just leaving
[21:44]  * SiDi hides kwwii so that ckontros doesnt notice him
[21:44]  * SiDi brings a kitten launcher and points it towards knome.
[21:44] <knome> meh
[21:44]  * ckontros waves
[21:44] <knome> flickr pro is just too expensive.
[21:45] <knome> really means one should update photos there.
[21:45] <knome> well..
[21:45] <knome> lets
[21:45] <knome> see :P
[21:45] <ckontros> $20 is expensive? (what I last thought it cost anyway)
[21:46] <kwwii> actually, I have been using flickr pro for several years
[21:46] <kwwii> mainly for my parents
[21:46] <kwwii> I had it on my own site and they simply didn't get it
[21:47] <SiDi> ckontros: $20 will be my august flat rent :D
[21:48] <ckontros> Wanna trade with me?
[21:50] <ckontros> SiDi ^^^
[21:50] <SiDi> ckontros: a flat for a flickr pro ?
[21:50] <SiDi> you've never seen my flat !
[21:50] <SiDi> if you mean flat rents... depends, do we also trade jobs ?
[21:51] <ckontros> SiDi: I'm askin if ya wanna trade our housing payments. ;)
[21:51] <SiDi> how much do you pay ?
[21:51] <ckontros> $1100 monthly
[21:51] <SiDi> ahahahaha
[21:51] <SiDi> i could pay two months per year :D
[21:52] <ckontros> ;)
[21:52] <SiDi> Question for the people who write GUIs from times to times !
[21:52] <SiDi> I've got an image in a hbox in a menu item
[21:52] <SiDi> i want to change this image, and i want to _see_ the change
[21:52] <SiDi> what magic methode shall i call ? :O
[21:52] <SiDi> method*