[08:00] <soren> o/
[08:00] <dholbach> bluekuja, cody-somerville: you guys around?
[08:00] <bluekuja> yep
[08:00] <dholbach> we're missing one MC member right now to have quorum
[08:01] <dholbach> I have jpds' mobile number somewhere, let me look for it and text him
[08:01] <bluekuja> ok
[08:03] <dholbach> ok, let's see if he turns up
[08:03] <dholbach> soren and geser are here, nixternal went to sleep, nhandler is still sleeping, so it's either persia or jpds who helps us out now :)
[08:14] <dholbach> I have no answer yet - I suggest we wait until 7:30 UTC and if nobody turns up, I can offer to do an impromptu meeting as soon as we have quorum - bluekuja: are you going to be around for a bit on IRC today?
[08:14] <bluekuja> dholbach, yes
[08:14] <dholbach> I guess cody-somerville is in bed too
[08:14] <bluekuja> dholbach, could be^^
[08:15] <dholbach> I'm sorry for this
[08:15] <bluekuja> dholbach, np, going to have breakfast
[08:15] <dholbach> bluekuja: same here :)
[08:15] <bluekuja> dholbach, gonna get back soon
[08:15] <bluekuja> brb
[08:18]  * geser too
[08:18] <dholbach> :-)
[08:19]  * DktrKranz not... hard to find a brioche @work :(
[08:58] <bluekuja> dholbach, any news?
[08:59] <dholbach> bluekuja: unfortunately not
[09:00] <bluekuja> dholbach, ok, I have to leave for like 2 hours, will it be possible to do this meeting later on?
[09:00] <dholbach> sure
[09:00] <bluekuja> perfect
[09:00] <dholbach> I guess chances are better to have quorum then anyway
[09:00] <dholbach> thanks a lot bluekuja
[09:00] <bluekuja> dholbach, np :) be back in two hours
[12:19] <dholbach> bluekuja, cody-somerville, soren, geser: still there? seems we have jpds here
[12:20] <geser> yes
[12:20] <jpds> Afternoon.
[12:26] <bluekuja> dholbach, yes
[12:26] <dholbach> now we're only lacking soren, persia, nixternal_ or nhandler :)
[12:26] <bluekuja> lol
[12:38] <geser> dholbach: do you know why chrisccoulson set himself on the agenda for 23rd July as he seems to be around at the current time?
[12:38] <dholbach> geser: I have no idea
[12:42] <geser> what's the probability to get impromptu MC meeting start in the next minutes? As I would otherwise do some errands (but I can postpone them as it's raining now)
[12:43] <dholbach> it's raining here too
[12:43] <dholbach> I don't know about soren, persia, nixternal_ or nhandler
[12:46] <soren> I'm back from lunch, so I'm available-ish.
[12:48] <dholbach> bluekuja, geser, jpds: still hanging in there?
[12:48] <jpds> Yep.
[12:48] <bluekuja> yep
[12:48] <geser> yes
[12:49] <dholbach> anybody wants to chair?
[12:49] <soren> Ah, shite. Something came up. Can you guys give me 10 minutes?
[12:49] <bluekuja> yes, I go finish my lunch
[12:50] <bluekuja> brb
[12:50] <geser> it seems to be a bad day today to hold a MC meeting
[12:51] <dholbach> yes and it's not even the 13th
[12:52] <dholbach> let's start in 5 and soren can read the backlog :)
[12:52]  * dholbach gets some more tea
[12:54] <geser> do we want to process Chris also today or on the next meeting?
[12:55] <dholbach> if Chris is around, I'm happy to have him
[12:55] <bluekuja> im back
[12:55] <geser> will ask in #ubuntu-desktop if he has time
[12:55] <bluekuja> lunch finished
[12:57] <dholbach> ok, let's kick this off
[12:57] <dholbach> #startmeeting
[12:57] <MootBot> Meeting started at 06:57. The chair is dholbach.
[12:57] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[12:57] <dholbach> [TOPIC] Reapproval of Andrea Veri
[12:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  Reapproval of Andrea Veri
[12:57] <dholbach> bluekuja: how are you doing?
[12:58] <bluekuja> dholbach, just finished my high school exams
[12:58] <bluekuja> dholbach, on the next semptember I gonna start university
[12:58] <dholbach> and sorry Andrea for not getting to start the meeting earlier :-)
[12:58] <dholbach> bluekuja: what are you going to study and where?
[12:58] <bluekuja> dholbach, and finally I'll have time again to work on Ubuntu/Debian again
[12:58] <bluekuja> dholbach, np :)
[12:59] <bluekuja> dholbach, law, here in my city (Udine) quite near Venice
[12:59] <bluekuja> and maybe the next year I'll move to a city which is like 120 km from here
[12:59] <dholbach> nice... I hope you're going to enjoy it :)
[13:00] <bluekuja> yeah, unfortunately I'll have a lot to study
[13:00] <geser> oh, will you do then debian/copyright reviews on REVU? :)
[13:00] <bluekuja> lol
[13:00] <bluekuja> yeah, of course
[13:00] <dholbach> bluekuja: in terms of Ubuntu and Debian work - what would you like to work on once you're part of the team again?
[13:01] <bluekuja> dholbach, I'm getting back all my works and packages, from the MOTU-p2p team to helping someone again gaining some experience in Ubuntu as a mentor
[13:01] <dholbach> I see you're part of the doc, fridge, p2p and backporters team, do you expect to have time for all of those?
[13:01] <bluekuja> dholbach, I've restarted uploading in Debian today with the new gnome-bt release
[13:02] <dholbach> bluekuja: is it in Ubuntu already? :-)
[13:02] <bluekuja> dholbach, yes, gnome-btdownload
[13:02] <bluekuja> dholbach, it was the old client we had before transmission
[13:02] <dholbach> ok
[13:03] <dholbach> jpds, geser, soren: any more questions?
[13:03] <bluekuja> dholbach, anyway day by day, I'll catch everything up
[13:03] <geser> no
[13:03] <soren> dholbach: Nope.
[13:03] <jpds> None from me.
[13:03] <bluekuja> dholbach, and there won't be problems
[13:03] <dholbach> [VOTE] Shall Andrea Veri rejoin the MOTU team?
[13:03] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Shall Andrea Veri rejoin the MOTU team?.
[13:03] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[13:03] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[13:03] <dholbach> +1
[13:03] <MootBot> +1 received from dholbach. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[13:03] <dholbach> +1
[13:03] <geser> +1
[13:03] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[13:03] <jpds> +1
[13:03] <MootBot> +1 received from jpds. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[13:04] <soren> +1
[13:04] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[13:04] <dholbach> [endvote]
[13:04] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[13:04] <dholbach> bluekuja: Welcome back! :)
[13:04] <soren> bluekuja: Welcome back!
[13:04] <bluekuja> dholbach, geser, soren, jpds : thanks a lot guys
[13:04] <bluekuja> I'm happy to be here with you guys again
[13:04] <jpds> bluekuja: Welcome back! :)
[13:04] <jpds> [
[13:04] <dholbach> :-)
[13:04] <dholbach> chrisccoulson1: available for the meeting?
[13:05] <chrisccoulson1> i am:)
[13:05] <dholbach> excellent
[13:05] <chrisccoulson1> i found myself a quiet room at work
[13:05] <dholbach> [TOPIC] MOTU Application of Chris Coulson
[13:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU Application of Chris Coulson
[13:05] <dholbach> chrisccoulson1: how are you  doing?
[13:05] <chrisccoulson1> good thanks. and you?
[13:05] <dholbach> a bit tired, but doing OK and the rain stopped over here :-)
[13:06] <chrisccoulson1> heh - i don't know what the weathers like here - we have no windows;)
[13:06] <dholbach> chrisccoulson1: any reason why you picked the 23 Jul 2009 meeting?
[13:06] <dholbach> chrisccoulson1: no way! they lock you up in a closet?
[13:06] <chrisccoulson1> yeah - i couldn't make the 7am meeting this morning, so i picked the 23/7 instead
[13:06] <chrisccoulson1> but that is quite far away ;)
[13:06] <dholbach> ah ok, I see :)
[13:07] <dholbach> good to have you now
[13:07] <dholbach> jpds, soren, geser: questions?
[13:07] <chrisccoulson1> thanks:)
[13:07] <jpds> chrisccoulson1: So you're a linux only company?
[13:07] <chrisccoulson1> jpds - unfortunately not. the company i work for is actually an automotive company
[13:07] <soren> Yes, I need to know more about this place with no windows. :)
[13:07] <chrisccoulson1> ah
[13:08] <chrisccoulson1> yes, of course - i said we had no windows;)
[13:08] <geser> chrisccoulson1: do you really see nothing in Ubuntu worth improving?
[13:08] <chrisccoulson1> is that in response to me not saying what i dislike?
[13:09] <geser> yes, the "What I like least in Ubuntu" item
[13:09] <chrisccoulson1> yeah, i couldn't think of what to put when i did the application.
[13:09] <chrisccoulson1> the only things i really dislike at the moment i suppose, are some technical decisions
[13:10] <chrisccoulson1> eg, pop-under update notifications;)
[13:10] <geser> such as?
[13:10] <dholbach> chrisccoulson1: you mentioned the FUSA applet in your application - do you know what's the state of it in karmic?
[13:10] <chrisccoulson1> dholbach - i don't actually. and that brings me on to something else that is not so good
[13:11] <chrisccoulson1> i know there is work going on for the FUSA in karmic, but it all seems to be behind closed doors at the momen
[13:11] <chrisccoulson1> t
[13:11] <dholbach> the changes need to be because of some gdm changes?
[13:11] <chrisccoulson1> i know tedg is doing some work on the replacement applet though, but that's all i know;)
[13:12] <chrisccoulson1> yeah, the old applet doesn't work with the new gdm
[13:12] <dholbach> I see
[13:12] <chrisccoulson1> the old codebase got merged in to the new GDM codebase, but it has none of the ubuntu changes anymore
[13:12] <dholbach> right
[13:12] <dholbach> I don't have any more questions
[13:12] <dholbach> jpds, geser, soren?
[13:13] <geser> neither
[13:13] <jpds> chrisccoulson1: Do you plan to attend/have attended an local Ubuntu events? :)
[13:13] <jpds> We need more rockstars.
[13:14] <chrisccoulson1> jpds - i would like too. i havent attended anything yet. james_w mentioned a few days ago about some UK members to meetup at some point
[13:14] <chrisccoulson1> face-to-face community involvement is an area i should become more involved with i think
[13:15] <jpds> Awesome.
[13:15] <jpds> No more questions from me.
[13:15] <dholbach> soren?
[13:15] <geser> chrisccoulson1: do you plan to keep focus on ubuntu-desktop or also do some work outside ubuntu-desktop as a MOTU?
[13:16] <chrisccoulson1> geser - the plan is to do some work outside of ubuntu-desktop as MOTU, but in addition to the work i do in ubuntu-desktop too
[13:16] <geser> great
[13:16] <soren> Sorry, catching up...
[13:17] <soren> No more questions from me either.
[13:17] <dholbach> [VOTE] Shall Chris Coulson join the MOTU team?
[13:17] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Shall Chris Coulson join the MOTU team?.
[13:17] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[13:17] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[13:17] <jpds> +1
[13:17] <dholbach> +1
[13:17] <MootBot> +1 received from jpds. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[13:17] <MootBot> +1 received from dholbach. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[13:17] <geser> +1
[13:17] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[13:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson1, congrat ;-)
[13:18]  * jpds watches soren catch up again.
[13:18] <soren> +1
[13:18] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[13:18] <dholbach> [endvote]
[13:18] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[13:18] <jpds> chrisccoulson1: Congrats!
[13:18] <soren> jpds: Well spotted. :)
[13:18] <james_w> \o/ congratulations chrisccoulson1
[13:18] <dholbach> congratulations chrisccoulson1!
[13:18] <dholbach> :-)
[13:18] <chrisccoulson1> thanks everyone:)
[13:18] <dholbach> cody-somerville: around?
[13:19] <dholbach> might be a bit too early for Cody
[13:19] <dholbach> [TOPIC] Any other business?
[13:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other business?
[13:19] <dholbach> Who wants to do the honours?
[13:19] <jpds> I will.
[13:20] <dholbach> thanks a lot jpds!
[13:20] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[13:20] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 07:20.
[13:20] <dholbach> thanks a lot everybody
[13:20] <dholbach> chrisccoulson1, bluekuja: keep up the good work!
[13:20] <chrisccoulson1> thanks:)
[13:20] <bluekuja> dholbach, thanks! :)
[14:01] <jpds> All should be done now.
[14:06] <cody-somerville> moo
[14:06] <highvoltage> and moo to you too
[15:55] <pitti> hello
[15:55] <slangasek> morning
[15:55] <ScottK> Starting early?
[15:55] <slangasek> starting the greetings early :)
[15:56]  * fader_ waves.
[15:57]  * lool waves too
[15:57] <heno> hey
[15:59] <cjwatson> hiya
[15:59] <sbeattie> hey all
[15:59] <robbiew> yo!
[16:00] <dendrobates> boo
[16:00] <slangasek> mdz, pgraner, davidm, Riddell, Hobbsee: ping
[16:01] <ScottK> Riddell is still at GCDS, so I'm not sure how online he'll be.
[16:01] <slangasek> ok
[16:02] <slangasek> rickspencer is off today, presumably recuperating from GCDS :)
[16:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[16:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is slangasek.
[16:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:02] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-07-10
[16:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-07-10
[16:02] <davidm> slangasek, hi
[16:03] <mdz> slangasek: I'm here, but probably need to dial into another call. do you need anything specific from me?
[16:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Actions from previous meeting
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Actions from previous meeting
[16:03] <slangasek> mdz: not that I know of
[16:04] <slangasek>   * slangasek to get kubuntu-netbook added to the ISO tracker
[16:04] <slangasek>   * rgreening to document kubuntu-netbook install process for ISO tracker test cases
[16:04]  * pgraner waves
[16:04] <slangasek>   * cjwatson to update installer for gdm autologin changes
[16:04] <slangasek>   * pitti to check with Riddell whether any Kubuntu ISO size events are in the offing
[16:04] <slangasek>   * cjwatson to investigate DVD size explosion
[16:04] <slangasek> I'll have a poke at the ISO tracker today or Monday
[16:04] <pitti> slangasek: nothing major planned right now
[16:04] <slangasek> pitti: ok, thanks
[16:04] <slangasek> cjwatson: any status to report on your action items?
[16:04] <cjwatson> installer's updated for gdm autologin changes
[16:04] <cjwatson> I haven't done anything on the DVD size stuff yet
[16:05] <cjwatson> (which isn't urgent, but does need to get looked into at some point)
[16:05]  * slangasek nods
[16:06] <slangasek> rgreening: any news regarding kubuntu-netbook test cases?
[16:06] <ScottK> slangasek: He's started work, but not done
[16:06] <slangasek> ok
[16:06] <ScottK> It's not urgent until IS starts building images anyway .....
[16:06]  * slangasek nods
[16:06] <ScottK> (which it'd be nice to get started more than a day or two before the next Alpha)
[16:06] <cjwatson> oh, speaking of which, I think that ticket got resolved
[16:07] <cjwatson> let me check
[16:07] <slangasek> the RT ticket mentioned last week appears to be closed out; is there still an IS action needed there, or is it the cdimage team's now?
[16:07] <cjwatson> if it's closed, it's ours, and I'll give it another try right now
[16:07] <slangasek> ok
[16:07] <ScottK> Kewl.
[16:08] <slangasek> [TOPIC] QA Team
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Team
[16:08] <slangasek> heno: how's the apport coverage effort going?
[16:08] <heno> hi
[16:09] <heno> slangasek: the LP team got some test failures from the code changes
[16:09] <heno> I was told it might land today, but it seems not
[16:09] <heno> Bjorn says it's high priority work for them though
[16:10] <shankhs> hi
[16:10] <heno> slangasek: that was actually apport adoption :)
[16:10] <slangasek> oh, that one's the one on the LP side, so not linked to the archive for A3
[16:10] <slangasek> right :)
[16:10] <heno> coverage is also moving along, though we would like more hook contributions ;)
[16:11] <slangasek> fader_: hardware testing?  coming along for 8.04.3?
[16:11] <heno> we'll encourage community contributions still and then sit down at the sprint to shore it up
[16:12] <slangasek> heno: great :)
[16:12] <fader_> Testing of the 8.04.3 images is looking good:
[16:12] <fader_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/sru-testing/8.04.3.html
[16:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/sru-testing/8.04.3.html
[16:12] <fader_> Even more results than are listed there have come back as some 20090709.1 images were tested late yesterday but I haven't yet gotten them on this page.
[16:12] <fader_> No failures :)
[16:12] <fader_> We had found a bug that was preventing testing of hardy: Bug 396611 for hardy was fixed by cjwatson
[16:13] <fader_> Testing of karmic is going well too:
[16:13] <fader_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:13] <slangasek> fader_: 20090709.1 alternate?  (the page title says server?)
[16:13] <fader_> We found one bug there as well that has also been fixed: Bug 394783 for karmic was fixed by apw and cjwatson
[16:13] <fader_> slangasek: I believe it's alternate, let me look
[16:14] <fader_> slangasek: We have both -server and -alternate tested but only the server results are on the webpage I just linked
[16:14] <fader_> The -alternate results started coming in late yesterday and I have not put them in the report yet
[16:14] <slangasek> ok
[16:14] <fader_> (It's a manual report at the moment so it's a bit time consuming.  Hoping to have an automated report for it soon.)
[16:15] <slangasek> does testing -alternate in addition to -server actually provide any more information regarding hw compat?
[16:15] <fader_> slangasek: They use different kernels, I believe
[16:15] <slangasek> fair enough
[16:16] <slangasek> any hardware issues or anything that would conceivably prevent getting the testing done in time?
[16:16] <fader_> slangasek: Not at all... I haven't seen any failures on the hardy testing
[16:16] <fader_> It's in pretty good shape.
[16:17]  * slangasek nods
[16:18] <slangasek> ISO testing for .3 is still in progress; no failures yet with the current batch of images
[16:18] <slangasek> [LINK] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all
[16:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all
[16:19] <slangasek> we're still mopping up the last of the SRU verifications for .3; there are some hw-specific ones still listed on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html that could use a poke, would be helpful if people could have a look whether they have any of the hardware in question
[16:20] <slangasek> intel macbooks are one of the affected bits of hardware
[16:20] <slangasek> heno, fader_, sbeattie: anything else?
[16:20] <heno> no
[16:20] <fader_> slangasek: Nothing else from me
[16:20] <heno> I believe I covered the karmic-qa-increase-apport-adoption (out of turn) above
[16:20] <shankhs> \quit
[16:21] <slangasek> ok, thanks
[16:21] <slangasek> heno: in turn, regardless of my confusion ;)
[16:21] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Desktop team
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop team
[16:21] <slangasek> pitti: hello
[16:21] <pitti> as usual, bug status and "intrusive changes" are on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:21] <pitti> this week half of the desktop team was on the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit, so
[16:21] <pitti> devlopment was slow
[16:21] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:21] <pitti> the main action this week was shaking out the biggest regressions from the new
[16:21] <pitti> gdm and preparing firefox 3.0.5 for landing in karmic
[16:21] <pitti> next week we'll resume working on the empathy integration and getting U1
[16:21] <pitti> packages into main
[16:22]  * slangasek nods
[16:22] <pitti> two RC bugs fixed, the others keep being dragged, since focus is still on getting in new crack
[16:22] <pitti> none of them are alpha-3 blockers, though
[16:23] <pitti> except for ubufox for 3.5, but that can be uploaded in conjunction with flipping the default ffox to 3.5, if that still makes alpha-3
[16:23] <slangasek> glad to read that 339313 should have made some progress
[16:23]  * slangasek nods
[16:23] <pitti> right, but Riddell said to keep it open still
[16:24] <pitti> fortunately the recent gdm breakage bugs didn't even make it to the list :)
[16:24] <pitti> bug 395324 is still a wart, I'm trying to get that nailed for alpha-3
[16:24] <slangasek> apparently because no one has been tagging those bugs where I can see them... :)
[16:24] <pitti> slangasek: no, because they got fixed this week already :)
[16:24] <slangasek> ah :)
[16:25] <pitti> any questions from other teams?
[16:25] <ScottK> Plasma-widget-network-manager is currently not working for WEP or WPA in Karmic, but upstream is aware and writing a lot of code.
[16:25] <pitti> uh, Jonathan told me it got much better now?
[16:26] <charlie-tca> any progress in getting gnome dependencies removed/changed?
[16:26] <ScottK> (related to 339313)
[16:26] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu now installs gnome and xfce desktop, and karmic is defaulting to gnome
[16:26] <pitti> charlie-tca: we dropped several libglade* dependencies last week
[16:26] <slangasek> pitti: for DX integration, you have written "all specs not drafted yet" - is there an ETA for those?
[16:26] <slangasek> (hard to extrapolate how intrusive they'll be in practice, without more info...)
[16:27] <ScottK> pitti: It did and then Network Manager got updated and so it got worse.
[16:27] <pitti> slangasek: oh, that's sort of stale; I'll check with david, but so far I'm aware of the gdm theming only
[16:27] <slangasek> ok
[16:27] <pitti> sorry, will update next time
[16:27] <slangasek> davidbarth: ^^ anything to add there regarding pending DX specs for karmic?
[16:28] <pitti> (still not drafted)
[16:29] <slangasek> pitti: why does http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt want to drop fusa to universe now?
[16:29] <slangasek> is that related to gdm?
[16:29] <pitti> slangasek: the current fusa package isn't compatible with the new gdm
[16:29] <davidbarth> slangasek: fusa should be on the list
[16:29] <pitti> so we are again installing the one from upstream gdm
[16:29] <lool> IIUC, the new fusa is *in* new-gdm?
[16:29] <pitti> I was told that ted is planning to port it to new gdm
[16:29] <pitti> lool: yes, so was the old one, but we heavily fork it
[16:30] <slangasek> porting in the karmic timeframe?
[16:30] <charlie-tca> the config file shipped in xubuntu-default-settings sets xfce.desktop as the default session, but gnome desktop is what comes up.
[16:30] <pitti> slangasek: the two aren't co-installable
[16:30] <davidbarth> ie, ted is trying to upload a new version asap (being on the critical path) to test the new infrastructure
[16:30] <slangasek> ok
[16:30] <pitti> charlie-tca: that's in the works AFAIK; gnome-session gets a -bin split out with just the bits that gdm needs
[16:30] <pitti> then xfce can just pull in that one
[16:30] <slangasek> davidbarth: reusing the current package name, surely?  (so no sense in us archive folks moving it to universe, if it's going to come back shortly)
[16:30] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[16:30] <pitti> (done in Debian, we just need to merge)
[16:31] <slangasek> no more questions from me; anyone else?
[16:32] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Mobile Team
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mobile Team
[16:32] <lool> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:32] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:32] <lool> Hotest topics are:
[16:32] <lool> * qemu buildds: IS is seeing crashes/hangs; I'll try to reproduce; we're very much hoping for hardware
[16:32] <davidbarth> slangasek: doing what you folks tell us to do ;) but yes, reusing the pkg name
[16:32] <lool> * cd images: mx51 and marvell need kernel and bootloader; we're working on the bootloaders
[16:32] <lool> * mx51 kernel is worrying: see details on the wiki page and kernel team will probably expand, but I'd like to discuss consequences of using 2.6.28 which is the proposed plan for the short term
[16:33] <lool> cjwatson, slangasek: I'd love to hear your thoughts on the consequences of using 2.6.28 in karmic
[16:33] <cjwatson> mx51> I thought that was already discussed briefly, and davidm came back and said you weren't doing it
[16:33] <slangasek> lool: davidm told me that the 2.6.28 idea was scrapped already
[16:33] <lool> We weren't doign what?   2.6.28?
[16:33] <cjwatson> my thoughts are pretty similar to slangasek's expressed earlier, viz.: pretty painful in the metapackages, would greatly prefer not to even short-term if possible, but if we do it then it can't release that way
[16:34] <lool> Hmm we chatted about this over the mobile phone meeting in my morning some hours ago
[16:34] <pgraner> lool: I got word last night that .28 was out
[16:34] <davidm> lool, per our conversation of last night we killed 2.6.28
[16:34] <lool> davidm: around?
[16:34] <lool> Ok
[16:34] <davidm> It was way to painful
[16:34] <lool> Right
[16:34] <lool> That was my impression too
[16:34] <lool> So probably no image for a3, unless the kernel makes progress
[16:34]  * slangasek nods
[16:35] <lool> pgraner: I guess you'll cover the mx51 situation in details, or should we do that now?
[16:35] <pgraner> lool: not likely unless we get some serious help from freescale
[16:35] <lool> I've included the status/proposals to make progress on the wiki page
[16:35] <pgraner> lool: what wiki?
[16:35] <lool> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:35] <pgraner> lool: we track the status on our page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:36] <lool> Ok; i added some details on hardware debuggers, request for help to FSL etc.
[16:36] <lool> Are there any questions on mobile status?
[16:36] <pitti> lool: some stuff, like dk-disks or KMS doesn't work with 2.6.28
[16:36] <pgraner> lool: I don't see any proposals other than .28 which davidm suggested btw not the kernel team
[16:37] <slangasek> lool: bug #396453 isn't on your wiki page
[16:37] <lool> I thought it was a proposal by amitk; I'll remove that part
[16:37] <slangasek> lool: that's your department, isn't it? :)
[16:37] <lool> amitk is kernel team ATM but working for mobile
[16:37] <pitti> lool: libgudev relies on some new netlink features that are only in .30 (non-root users being able to talk through netlink to udev)
[16:38] <lool> slangasek: That's not targetted at A3 though; I didn't include updates on all release targetted bugs
[16:38] <lool> slangasek: I could do that if you think that's useful
[16:38] <lool> pitti: Thanks; I think everyboyd agrees to not follow on the 2.6.28 idea anyway
[16:38] <pitti> lool: ok, just adding a "will break" reason then :)
[16:39] <lool> Thanks :)
[16:39] <slangasek> lool: I'd like to know where we are with high-priority release-targeted bugs, generally, even if not milestoned for the current alpha
[16:39] <lool> slangasek: Ok; I'll prepare that for next meeting, thanks for the suggestion
[16:39] <slangasek> lool: ok, thanks
[16:39] <lool> slangasek: I know nothing about that webfav task; I'll poke StevenK about it
[16:39]  * slangasek nods
[16:41] <slangasek> any more questions from anyone else?
[16:41] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Kernel Team
[16:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Team
[16:41] <slangasek> lool, davidm: thanks
[16:41] <pgraner> Yo...
[16:42] <slangasek> hi
[16:42] <pgraner> We updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic#Release%20Meeting%20Bugs for the bugs in the agenda
[16:42] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:42] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:42] <pgraner> Also the remainder of that page is updated for all of our status. A few points to call out:
[16:43] <pgraner> ARM imx51 as discussed in the mobile section. Most likely won't be in A3
[16:43] <pgraner> We have contacted FCL asking for additional help. No response as of yet
[16:43] <pgraner> AppArmor will get fixed by the upload that apw will do today.
[16:44] <slangasek> yay!
[16:44] <pgraner> We need to have security test to make sure it looks good
[16:44] <apw> apparmor will be integrated but disabled by default during testing
[16:44] <apw> there are a couple of known issues with it which are being worked but in less critical support
[16:45] <lool> pgraner: Concerning mx51, if the two kernel engineers working on it without hardware still lack some next week, we could discuss which hardware we could send them: I can think of either some B1 boards or the other non-b2 TO2 boards we have around
[16:46] <pgraner> lool: I had talked to davidm about that he was to get with you guys and send a b2 to amit
[16:46] <pgraner> lool: that was late last week
[16:46] <bjf_afk> pgraner, amit has a b2 now
[16:47] <pgraner> bjf: where did that one come from?
[16:47] <slangasek> the status of the kernel-karmic-wifi spec mentions 'rfkill changes have come through in 2.6.31-rc1' - that seems to have resulted in bug #397698
[16:47] <lool> pgraner: Amit has a b2 but I understand Bryan and Martyn don't
[16:47] <bjf> pgraner, was ogra's i believe
[16:47] <slangasek> is the lack of link in /sys from the network device to the rfkill device deliberate?
[16:47] <pgraner> lool: then we need to get them some, what can you guys spare?
[16:47]  * ogra looks up
[16:48] <ogra> pgraner, we dont have anything left i think
[16:48] <lool> pgraner: I think bjf and amitk have B2 and another to2 board each, these are probably very close to b2, otherwise b1
[16:48] <lool> Either from my team or from ARM
[16:48] <pgraner> lool: lets take this offline, to save everyone the pain...
[16:48] <lool> Sure
[16:49] <pgraner> apw: what do you know about the rfkill above?
[16:49] <apw> slangasek, unsure ... is there a bug i can look at?
[16:49] <slangasek> apw: bug #397698 is the one I have
[16:49] <pgraner> LP 397698
[16:49] <apw> they have been fiddling heavily in there this merge
[16:49] <slangasek> we can take that off-line, though
[16:49] <pgraner> slangasek: we will get back to you on that one
[16:49] <slangasek> sounds good
[16:49] <pgraner> Thats it for us pending questions
[16:50] <slangasek> thanks, guys
[16:50] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Foundations Team
[16:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations Team
[16:51] <slangasek> cjwatson: hi
[16:52] <davidm> pgraner, I pulled ogra's board for amit
[16:52] <cjwatson> ok, so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic is up-to-date I think
[16:52]  * heno is afk
[16:52] <cjwatson> the main non-mentioned intrusive thing happening is upstart 0.6.0, which anyone who's upgraded this morning will probably have noticed :)
[16:52] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:52] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:52] <pgraner> davidm: ack
[16:53] <cjwatson> I believe it's sort of on a "well, Keybuk's system still boots" kind of basis right now, so do let him know if you run into trouble with it
[16:53] <pitti> hm, "just works" here, too
[16:54] <cjwatson> all our alpha-3 features are believed to be on track, with the possible exception of the python packaging work which is still a bit definition-light
[16:54] <slangasek> unblocks the effort to get upstart integration into Debian, so I'm willing to put up with my system not booting for that ;)
[16:54] <robbiew> +1 ;)
[16:54] <cjwatson> the i586 work has reached the point of having test CDs, which Keybuk is currently testing
[16:54] <ScottK> slangasek: I'm also willing to put up with your system not booting for that.
[16:54] <slangasek> hah
[16:56] <cjwatson> that's about all I have; anything from Robbie?
[16:56] <robbiew> nope
[16:57] <slangasek> I see 'eglibc adoption' is added as an essential spec - is that decided and just needs doing?
[16:57] <cjwatson> I think I mentioned that at last week's meeting
[16:57] <dendrobates> * UbuntuSpec:server-karmic-pristine-daily-virt-builds
[16:57] <dendrobates> Done.
[16:57] <robbiew> ah...indeed
[16:58] <dendrobates> sorry, premature cut and paste :)
[16:58] <robbiew> lol
[16:58] <cjwatson> but short answer, yes
[16:58] <slangasek> cjwatson: oops; haven't made it all the way through that log yet, can you recap briefly?
[16:58] <slangasek> ok
[16:58] <robbiew> with 10.04 being the LTS...eglibc needs to be in 9.10
[16:58] <ScottK> Excellent summary
[16:59] <slangasek> any questions for Foundations?
[17:00] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Server Team
[17:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server Team
[17:00] <slangasek> cjwatson, robbiew: thanks
[17:00] <dendrobates> * UbuntuSpec:server-karmic-pristine-daily-virt-builds
[17:00] <dendrobates> completed
[17:00] <dendrobates> are there any questions about this?
[17:01] <dendrobates> UbuntuSpec:server-karmic-update-motd-inotify
[17:01] <dendrobates> Not done.  non-blocker, targeted at Alpha4
[17:01] <dendrobates> UbuntuSpec:server-karmic-kvm-qemu-packaging
[17:02] <dendrobates> Working prototype done. Waiting on qemu-kvm_0.11 release
[17:02] <slangasek> server-karmic-update-motd-inotify was blocked on upstart before, right?  so is unblocked now?
[17:02] <dendrobates> Bug 326768
[17:02] <kirkland> slangasek: we're not gating on that
[17:02] <dendrobates> kirkland: is it unblocked?
[17:02] <slangasek> kirkland: does upstart 0.6 give you what you need anyway?
[17:02] <kirkland> slangasek: when upstart supports inotify, we'll use it
[17:03] <slangasek> ok
[17:03] <slangasek> (oh, right, that was going to be in 0.10)
[17:03] <kirkland> slangasek: don't know, haven't seen an update from Keybuk on my wishlist bug for inotify support
[17:03] <cjwatson> upstart 0.6 appears to have at least some inotify support
[17:03] <kirkland> slangasek: basically, update-motd will merely suggest iwatch, and use it if on the system
[17:03]  * slangasek nods
[17:04] <dendrobates> Bug:326768  Mathiaz had been waiting for debian to move 5.1 to unstable, so he could just merge that, but he will be uploading a fix shortly, since that is the quickest way to get rid of this bug
[17:04] <kirkland> slangasek: rather than depending on iwatch, which would necessitate an MIR that pitti groaned about
[17:04] <slangasek> dendrobates: ah, so I'm not the only one tired of seeing that bug on the list ;)
[17:04] <slangasek> kirkland: right
[17:04] <dendrobates> Bug 385475 We are aware of the problem and discussed it at UDS.  We are currently waiting for an upstream code drop
[17:05] <dendrobates> If the code drop does not come in time, we might have to drop the 5.x version.
[17:05] <cjwatson> hmm, possibly only as much as in upstart 0.3
[17:06] <ScottK> I'd like to ask the release team to please sprinkle their holy water on the clamav update plan and give it blessing to proceed.
[17:06] <slangasek> pitti: I noticed that you aren't subscribed to ubuntu-release; could you take a peek at the archive and give your opinion on the clamav update plan?
[17:07] <slangasek> touching on SRUs as this does, I'd like your ack before telling the TB to go for it
[17:07] <pitti> oh, sure
[17:07] <slangasek> also, please subscribe to ubuntu-release :-)
[17:07] <pitti> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2009-July/000005.html
[17:08] <pitti> slangasek: subscribe> done
[17:08] <slangasek> anything else for server?
[17:09] <dendrobates> nope
[17:09] <slangasek> [ACTION] pitti to ack/nack clamav update plan on ubuntu-release
[17:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  pitti to ack/nack clamav update plan on ubuntu-release
[17:09] <pitti> I saw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClamavUpdates before, and it looks alright to me
[17:09] <pitti> Scott and I talked about it before
[17:09] <ScottK> slangasek: Can I call that approved then?
[17:09] <slangasek> ScottK: yes
[17:09] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:09]  * ScottK updates the wiki ...
[17:10] <slangasek> [TOPIC] MOTU
[17:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU
[17:10] <ScottK> Things are generally quiet in Universe.
[17:11] <ScottK> There is some discussion of another ghc6 transition
[17:11]  * slangasek nods
[17:11] <ScottK> The planning seems sane, so if they go ahead, I'm not worried about it.
[17:11] <ScottK> We had one motu-release member resign this week.  We'll get a replacement, but haven't done it yet.
[17:11] <ScottK> That's it for Universe.
[17:12] <slangasek> we still need to kick python2.5 out of python-all-dev; ought to get that done soon so we've got plenty of lead time for rebuilds
[17:12] <ScottK> In Kubuntu we are packaging KDE 4.3 RC2 right now.  I expect that'll be out version for Alpha 3.
[17:12] <slangasek> who resigned?
[17:12] <ScottK> dktrkranz
[17:12] <slangasek> ok
[17:12] <ScottK> Too busy with work.
[17:12]  * slangasek nods
[17:13] <ScottK> It looks reasonably good for having Kubuntu Netbook images for Alpha 3.
[17:13] <ScottK> We've also engaged with the plasma-netbook shell upstream and have a good idea of the plan to get that into Karmic.
[17:14] <ScottK> I think that's it.
[17:14] <slangasek> what's plasma-netbook shell?
[17:14] <ScottK> It's a lighter weight version of plasma optimized for netbook use.  It also has some additional functionality related to working better on the smaller screens.
[17:15] <ScottK> Our minimal objective for Kubuntu Netbook is to present a traditional Kubuntu scaled down for netbook.  That's almost done.
[17:15] <slangasek> ok, cool
[17:15] <ScottK> What we really want to do is something radically cool that no one else has and that's the key piece for it.
[17:16] <ScottK> Upstream it'll be in KDE 4.4 (Karmic +1), but we should have it first.
[17:16] <slangasek> nice :)
[17:16] <ScottK> Having sebas at UDS was a great help for establishing those connections.
[17:17] <slangasek> any questions from folks regarding universe?
[17:18] <slangasek> ScottK: thanks
[17:18] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Known regressions
[17:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Known regressions
[17:18] <slangasek> any regressions people want to discuss that aren't already on the list?
[17:18] <ScottK> I did have one other point on Python stuff.
[17:18] <slangasek> ScottK: oh, go aheda
[17:18] <slangasek> ahead
[17:18] <ScottK> Our cdbs has a change to automagically add install-layout=deb that Debian's doesn't have.  It makes it tough to make a package that works with Python 2.6 in both Debian and Ubuntu
[17:19] <ScottK> I think we should be consistent and either get that in Debian or drop ours.
[17:19] <pitti> --install-layout should work in Debian as well
[17:19] <slangasek> has the change been submitted to Debian?
[17:20] <slangasek> pitti: the issue isn't whether it works, but whether it's being done by default and the interaction with the install files, I suspect
[17:20] <ScottK> slangasek: I don't know.  I'm pretty much just a user of CDBS.
[17:20] <pitti> I don't see it on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=cdbs
[17:21] <slangasek> can someone take responsibility for forwarding that?
[17:21] <ScottK> I think it would come better from someone with some established relationship with the Debian CDBS people ....
[17:21] <slangasek> (doko made the change, but his Foundations time is limited this cycle)
[17:21] <slangasek> pitti: is that you? :)
[17:21] <pitti> o/
[17:21] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:21] <slangasek> [ACTION] pitti to forward --install-layout=deb change to Debian cdbs maintainers
[17:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  pitti to forward --install-layout=deb change to Debian cdbs maintainers
[17:22] <doko> ScottK: on my list. but this change should go to Debian as well
[17:23] <slangasek> anyway, regressions
[17:23] <slangasek> anything we need to discuss there?
[17:23] <slangasek> (I have a few bugs to file regarding kms and external VGA, but don't need to discuss those here)
[17:24] <slangasek> [TOPIC] ISO size
[17:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  ISO size
[17:24] <slangasek> the DVD sizes were mentioned earlier, no need to dwell on that
[17:25] <slangasek> I understand we'll save a bit of space on CDs soon due to mono changes again
[17:25] <slangasek> but we could still use some more space wherever people can find it, to accomodate more langpacks when the time comes
[17:25] <ScottK> There was an outstanding action to check for known CD size events for Kubuntu.  I'm pretty sure there aren't any.
[17:26] <slangasek> yes, I think that was mentioned at the beginning of the meeting
[17:26] <ScottK> We have a coupld of MIR oustanding, but not for large packages.
[17:26] <slangasek> ok
[17:27] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[17:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[17:27] <lool> slangasek: Just a note that I was wrong when I claimed I only looked at karmic bugs targetted at Alpha 3; I actually looked at all karmic ones which ~ubuntu-armel, ~ubuntu-unr or ~canonical-mobile were subscribed to and hence missed the webfav one.  It will appear on my list now since I sub-ed canonical-mobile to it.
[17:27] <lool> slangasek: Concerning the webfav bug, 396453, bfiller confirmed he's working on it and said it's not hard and he should have a tarball next week (I've updated the MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus page)
[17:27] <lool> (Either davidm or me should run pm-dashboard / bug-zapper regularly to check whether new karmic bugs were assigned to someone in the mobile team)
[17:27] <ogra> lool, everyone in the team should actually :)
[17:28] <slangasek> lool: ok, thanks
[17:28] <ogra> in all teams ... makes it so easy to keep an overview
[17:28] <ScottK> Just realized I forgot to toss in my link: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Karmic
[17:28] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Karmic
[17:28] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Karmic
[17:29] <slangasek> anything else to discuss here?  dazzling behind-the-scenes changes in karmic? :)
[17:29] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[17:29] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:29.
[17:29] <slangasek> thanks, folks
[17:30] <pitti> thanks everyone
[17:30] <robbiew> thanks steve
[17:31] <lool> Thanks!
[17:32] <charlie-tca> thank you
[20:50]  * sattam brb