=== asac_ is now known as asac [08:00] o/ [08:00] bluekuja, cody-somerville: you guys around? [08:00] yep [08:00] we're missing one MC member right now to have quorum [08:01] I have jpds' mobile number somewhere, let me look for it and text him [08:01] ok [08:03] ok, let's see if he turns up [08:03] soren and geser are here, nixternal went to sleep, nhandler is still sleeping, so it's either persia or jpds who helps us out now :) [08:14] I have no answer yet - I suggest we wait until 7:30 UTC and if nobody turns up, I can offer to do an impromptu meeting as soon as we have quorum - bluekuja: are you going to be around for a bit on IRC today? [08:14] dholbach, yes [08:14] I guess cody-somerville is in bed too [08:14] dholbach, could be^^ [08:15] I'm sorry for this [08:15] dholbach, np, going to have breakfast [08:15] bluekuja: same here :) [08:15] dholbach, gonna get back soon [08:15] brb [08:18] * geser too [08:18] :-) [08:19] * DktrKranz not... hard to find a brioche @work :( [08:58] dholbach, any news? [08:59] bluekuja: unfortunately not [09:00] dholbach, ok, I have to leave for like 2 hours, will it be possible to do this meeting later on? [09:00] sure [09:00] perfect [09:00] I guess chances are better to have quorum then anyway [09:00] thanks a lot bluekuja [09:00] dholbach, np :) be back in two hours === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [12:19] bluekuja, cody-somerville, soren, geser: still there? seems we have jpds here [12:20] yes [12:20] Afternoon. [12:26] dholbach, yes [12:26] now we're only lacking soren, persia, nixternal_ or nhandler :) [12:26] lol === fader|aw` is now known as fader_ [12:38] dholbach: do you know why chrisccoulson set himself on the agenda for 23rd July as he seems to be around at the current time? [12:38] geser: I have no idea === jussio1 is now known as jussi01 [12:42] what's the probability to get impromptu MC meeting start in the next minutes? As I would otherwise do some errands (but I can postpone them as it's raining now) [12:43] it's raining here too [12:43] I don't know about soren, persia, nixternal_ or nhandler [12:46] I'm back from lunch, so I'm available-ish. [12:48] bluekuja, geser, jpds: still hanging in there? [12:48] Yep. [12:48] yep [12:48] yes [12:49] anybody wants to chair? [12:49] Ah, shite. Something came up. Can you guys give me 10 minutes? [12:49] yes, I go finish my lunch [12:50] brb [12:50] it seems to be a bad day today to hold a MC meeting [12:51] yes and it's not even the 13th [12:52] let's start in 5 and soren can read the backlog :) [12:52] * dholbach gets some more tea [12:54] do we want to process Chris also today or on the next meeting? [12:55] if Chris is around, I'm happy to have him [12:55] im back [12:55] will ask in #ubuntu-desktop if he has time [12:55] lunch finished [12:57] ok, let's kick this off [12:57] #startmeeting [12:57] Meeting started at 06:57. The chair is dholbach. [12:57] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [12:57] [TOPIC] Reapproval of Andrea Veri [12:57] New Topic: Reapproval of Andrea Veri [12:57] bluekuja: how are you doing? [12:58] dholbach, just finished my high school exams [12:58] dholbach, on the next semptember I gonna start university [12:58] and sorry Andrea for not getting to start the meeting earlier :-) [12:58] bluekuja: what are you going to study and where? [12:58] dholbach, and finally I'll have time again to work on Ubuntu/Debian again [12:58] dholbach, np :) [12:59] dholbach, law, here in my city (Udine) quite near Venice [12:59] and maybe the next year I'll move to a city which is like 120 km from here [12:59] nice... I hope you're going to enjoy it :) [13:00] yeah, unfortunately I'll have a lot to study [13:00] oh, will you do then debian/copyright reviews on REVU? :) [13:00] lol [13:00] yeah, of course [13:00] bluekuja: in terms of Ubuntu and Debian work - what would you like to work on once you're part of the team again? [13:01] dholbach, I'm getting back all my works and packages, from the MOTU-p2p team to helping someone again gaining some experience in Ubuntu as a mentor [13:01] I see you're part of the doc, fridge, p2p and backporters team, do you expect to have time for all of those? [13:01] dholbach, I've restarted uploading in Debian today with the new gnome-bt release [13:02] bluekuja: is it in Ubuntu already? :-) [13:02] dholbach, yes, gnome-btdownload [13:02] dholbach, it was the old client we had before transmission [13:02] ok [13:03] jpds, geser, soren: any more questions? [13:03] dholbach, anyway day by day, I'll catch everything up [13:03] no [13:03] dholbach: Nope. [13:03] None from me. [13:03] dholbach, and there won't be problems [13:03] [VOTE] Shall Andrea Veri rejoin the MOTU team? [13:03] Please vote on: Shall Andrea Veri rejoin the MOTU team?. [13:03] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [13:03] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [13:03] +1 [13:03] +1 received from dholbach. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [13:03] +1 [13:03] +1 [13:03] +1 received from geser. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [13:03] +1 [13:03] +1 received from jpds. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [13:04] +1 [13:04] +1 received from soren. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [13:04] [endvote] [13:04] Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 [13:04] bluekuja: Welcome back! :) [13:04] bluekuja: Welcome back! [13:04] dholbach, geser, soren, jpds : thanks a lot guys [13:04] I'm happy to be here with you guys again [13:04] bluekuja: Welcome back! :) [13:04] [ [13:04] :-) [13:04] chrisccoulson1: available for the meeting? [13:05] i am:) [13:05] excellent [13:05] i found myself a quiet room at work [13:05] [TOPIC] MOTU Application of Chris Coulson [13:05] New Topic: MOTU Application of Chris Coulson [13:05] chrisccoulson1: how are you doing? [13:05] good thanks. and you? [13:05] a bit tired, but doing OK and the rain stopped over here :-) [13:06] heh - i don't know what the weathers like here - we have no windows;) [13:06] chrisccoulson1: any reason why you picked the 23 Jul 2009 meeting? [13:06] chrisccoulson1: no way! they lock you up in a closet? [13:06] yeah - i couldn't make the 7am meeting this morning, so i picked the 23/7 instead [13:06] but that is quite far away ;) [13:06] ah ok, I see :) [13:07] good to have you now [13:07] jpds, soren, geser: questions? [13:07] thanks:) [13:07] chrisccoulson1: So you're a linux only company? [13:07] jpds - unfortunately not. the company i work for is actually an automotive company [13:07] Yes, I need to know more about this place with no windows. :) [13:07] ah [13:08] yes, of course - i said we had no windows;) [13:08] chrisccoulson1: do you really see nothing in Ubuntu worth improving? [13:08] is that in response to me not saying what i dislike? [13:09] yes, the "What I like least in Ubuntu" item [13:09] yeah, i couldn't think of what to put when i did the application. [13:09] the only things i really dislike at the moment i suppose, are some technical decisions [13:10] eg, pop-under update notifications;) [13:10] such as? [13:10] chrisccoulson1: you mentioned the FUSA applet in your application - do you know what's the state of it in karmic? [13:10] dholbach - i don't actually. and that brings me on to something else that is not so good [13:11] i know there is work going on for the FUSA in karmic, but it all seems to be behind closed doors at the momen [13:11] t [13:11] the changes need to be because of some gdm changes? [13:11] i know tedg is doing some work on the replacement applet though, but that's all i know;) [13:12] yeah, the old applet doesn't work with the new gdm [13:12] I see [13:12] the old codebase got merged in to the new GDM codebase, but it has none of the ubuntu changes anymore [13:12] right [13:12] I don't have any more questions [13:12] jpds, geser, soren? [13:13] neither [13:13] chrisccoulson1: Do you plan to attend/have attended an local Ubuntu events? :) [13:13] We need more rockstars. [13:14] jpds - i would like too. i havent attended anything yet. james_w mentioned a few days ago about some UK members to meetup at some point [13:14] face-to-face community involvement is an area i should become more involved with i think [13:15] Awesome. [13:15] No more questions from me. [13:15] soren? [13:15] chrisccoulson1: do you plan to keep focus on ubuntu-desktop or also do some work outside ubuntu-desktop as a MOTU? [13:16] geser - the plan is to do some work outside of ubuntu-desktop as MOTU, but in addition to the work i do in ubuntu-desktop too [13:16] great [13:16] Sorry, catching up... [13:17] No more questions from me either. [13:17] [VOTE] Shall Chris Coulson join the MOTU team? [13:17] Please vote on: Shall Chris Coulson join the MOTU team?. [13:17] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [13:17] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [13:17] +1 [13:17] +1 [13:17] +1 received from jpds. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [13:17] +1 received from dholbach. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [13:17] +1 [13:17] +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [13:17] chrisccoulson1, congrat ;-) [13:18] * jpds watches soren catch up again. [13:18] +1 [13:18] +1 received from soren. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [13:18] [endvote] [13:18] Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 [13:18] chrisccoulson1: Congrats! [13:18] jpds: Well spotted. :) [13:18] \o/ congratulations chrisccoulson1 [13:18] congratulations chrisccoulson1! [13:18] :-) [13:18] thanks everyone:) [13:18] cody-somerville: around? [13:19] might be a bit too early for Cody [13:19] [TOPIC] Any other business? [13:19] New Topic: Any other business? [13:19] Who wants to do the honours? [13:19] I will. [13:20] thanks a lot jpds! [13:20] #endmeeting [13:20] Meeting finished at 07:20. [13:20] thanks a lot everybody [13:20] chrisccoulson1, bluekuja: keep up the good work! [13:20] thanks:) [13:20] dholbach, thanks! :) === corenominal is now known as help === help is now known as corenominal_ [14:01] All should be done now. [14:06] moo [14:06] and moo to you too [15:55] hello [15:55] morning [15:55] Starting early? [15:55] starting the greetings early :) === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl [15:56] * fader_ waves. [15:57] * lool waves too [15:57] hey [15:59] hiya [15:59] hey all [15:59] yo! [16:00] boo [16:00] mdz, pgraner, davidm, Riddell, Hobbsee: ping [16:01] Riddell is still at GCDS, so I'm not sure how online he'll be. [16:01] ok [16:02] rickspencer is off today, presumably recuperating from GCDS :) [16:02] #startmeeting [16:02] Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is slangasek. [16:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:02] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-07-10 [16:02] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-07-10 [16:02] slangasek, hi [16:03] slangasek: I'm here, but probably need to dial into another call. do you need anything specific from me? [16:03] [TOPIC] Actions from previous meeting [16:03] New Topic: Actions from previous meeting [16:03] mdz: not that I know of [16:04] * slangasek to get kubuntu-netbook added to the ISO tracker [16:04] * rgreening to document kubuntu-netbook install process for ISO tracker test cases [16:04] * pgraner waves [16:04] * cjwatson to update installer for gdm autologin changes [16:04] * pitti to check with Riddell whether any Kubuntu ISO size events are in the offing [16:04] * cjwatson to investigate DVD size explosion [16:04] I'll have a poke at the ISO tracker today or Monday [16:04] slangasek: nothing major planned right now [16:04] pitti: ok, thanks [16:04] cjwatson: any status to report on your action items? [16:04] installer's updated for gdm autologin changes [16:04] I haven't done anything on the DVD size stuff yet [16:05] (which isn't urgent, but does need to get looked into at some point) [16:05] * slangasek nods [16:06] rgreening: any news regarding kubuntu-netbook test cases? [16:06] slangasek: He's started work, but not done [16:06] ok === Nicke_ is now known as Nicke [16:06] It's not urgent until IS starts building images anyway ..... [16:06] * slangasek nods [16:06] (which it'd be nice to get started more than a day or two before the next Alpha) [16:06] oh, speaking of which, I think that ticket got resolved [16:07] let me check [16:07] the RT ticket mentioned last week appears to be closed out; is there still an IS action needed there, or is it the cdimage team's now? [16:07] if it's closed, it's ours, and I'll give it another try right now [16:07] ok [16:07] Kewl. [16:08] [TOPIC] QA Team [16:08] New Topic: QA Team [16:08] heno: how's the apport coverage effort going? [16:08] hi [16:09] slangasek: the LP team got some test failures from the code changes [16:09] I was told it might land today, but it seems not [16:09] Bjorn says it's high priority work for them though [16:10] hi [16:10] slangasek: that was actually apport adoption :) [16:10] oh, that one's the one on the LP side, so not linked to the archive for A3 [16:10] right :) [16:10] coverage is also moving along, though we would like more hook contributions ;) [16:11] fader_: hardware testing? coming along for 8.04.3? [16:11] we'll encourage community contributions still and then sit down at the sprint to shore it up [16:12] heno: great :) [16:12] Testing of the 8.04.3 images is looking good: [16:12] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/sru-testing/8.04.3.html [16:12] LINK received: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/sru-testing/8.04.3.html [16:12] Even more results than are listed there have come back as some 20090709.1 images were tested late yesterday but I haven't yet gotten them on this page. [16:12] No failures :) [16:12] We had found a bug that was preventing testing of hardy: Bug 396611 for hardy was fixed by cjwatson [16:12] Launchpad bug 396611 in debian-installer "Partitioning fails in 8.04.3" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396611 [16:13] Testing of karmic is going well too: [16:13] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html [16:13] LINK received: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html [16:13] fader_: 20090709.1 alternate? (the page title says server?) [16:13] We found one bug there as well that has also been fixed: Bug 394783 for karmic was fixed by apw and cjwatson [16:13] Launchpad bug 394783 in initramfs-tools "Broadcom BCM5708 "SIOCSIFADDR: No such device"" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/394783 [16:13] slangasek: I believe it's alternate, let me look [16:14] slangasek: We have both -server and -alternate tested but only the server results are on the webpage I just linked [16:14] The -alternate results started coming in late yesterday and I have not put them in the report yet [16:14] ok [16:14] (It's a manual report at the moment so it's a bit time consuming. Hoping to have an automated report for it soon.) [16:15] does testing -alternate in addition to -server actually provide any more information regarding hw compat? [16:15] slangasek: They use different kernels, I believe [16:15] fair enough [16:16] any hardware issues or anything that would conceivably prevent getting the testing done in time? [16:16] slangasek: Not at all... I haven't seen any failures on the hardy testing [16:16] It's in pretty good shape. [16:17] * slangasek nods [16:18] ISO testing for .3 is still in progress; no failures yet with the current batch of images [16:18] [LINK] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all [16:18] LINK received: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all [16:19] we're still mopping up the last of the SRU verifications for .3; there are some hw-specific ones still listed on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html that could use a poke, would be helpful if people could have a look whether they have any of the hardware in question [16:20] intel macbooks are one of the affected bits of hardware [16:20] heno, fader_, sbeattie: anything else? [16:20] no [16:20] slangasek: Nothing else from me [16:20] I believe I covered the karmic-qa-increase-apport-adoption (out of turn) above [16:20] \quit [16:21] ok, thanks [16:21] heno: in turn, regardless of my confusion ;) [16:21] [TOPIC] Desktop team [16:21] New Topic: Desktop team [16:21] pitti: hello [16:21] as usual, bug status and "intrusive changes" are on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus [16:21] this week half of the desktop team was on the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit, so [16:21] devlopment was slow [16:21] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus [16:21] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus [16:21] the main action this week was shaking out the biggest regressions from the new [16:21] gdm and preparing firefox 3.0.5 for landing in karmic [16:21] next week we'll resume working on the empathy integration and getting U1 [16:21] packages into main [16:22] * slangasek nods [16:22] two RC bugs fixed, the others keep being dragged, since focus is still on getting in new crack [16:22] none of them are alpha-3 blockers, though [16:23] except for ubufox for 3.5, but that can be uploaded in conjunction with flipping the default ffox to 3.5, if that still makes alpha-3 [16:23] glad to read that 339313 should have made some progress [16:23] * slangasek nods [16:23] right, but Riddell said to keep it open still [16:24] fortunately the recent gdm breakage bugs didn't even make it to the list :) [16:24] bug 395324 is still a wart, I'm trying to get that nailed for alpha-3 [16:24] Launchpad bug 395324 in gdm "'These windows do not support "save current setup"....' metacity warning when logging in with gdm 2.26" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395324 [16:24] apparently because no one has been tagging those bugs where I can see them... :) [16:24] slangasek: no, because they got fixed this week already :) [16:24] ah :) [16:25] any questions from other teams? [16:25] Plasma-widget-network-manager is currently not working for WEP or WPA in Karmic, but upstream is aware and writing a lot of code. [16:25] uh, Jonathan told me it got much better now? [16:26] any progress in getting gnome dependencies removed/changed? [16:26] (related to 339313) [16:26] Xubuntu now installs gnome and xfce desktop, and karmic is defaulting to gnome [16:26] charlie-tca: we dropped several libglade* dependencies last week [16:26] pitti: for DX integration, you have written "all specs not drafted yet" - is there an ETA for those? [16:26] (hard to extrapolate how intrusive they'll be in practice, without more info...) [16:27] pitti: It did and then Network Manager got updated and so it got worse. [16:27] slangasek: oh, that's sort of stale; I'll check with david, but so far I'm aware of the gdm theming only [16:27] ok [16:27] sorry, will update next time [16:27] davidbarth: ^^ anything to add there regarding pending DX specs for karmic? [16:28] (still not drafted) [16:29] pitti: why does http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt want to drop fusa to universe now? [16:29] is that related to gdm? [16:29] slangasek: the current fusa package isn't compatible with the new gdm [16:29] slangasek: fusa should be on the list [16:29] so we are again installing the one from upstream gdm [16:29] IIUC, the new fusa is *in* new-gdm? [16:29] I was told that ted is planning to port it to new gdm [16:29] lool: yes, so was the old one, but we heavily fork it [16:30] porting in the karmic timeframe? [16:30] the config file shipped in xubuntu-default-settings sets xfce.desktop as the default session, but gnome desktop is what comes up. [16:30] slangasek: the two aren't co-installable [16:30] ie, ted is trying to upload a new version asap (being on the critical path) to test the new infrastructure [16:30] ok [16:30] charlie-tca: that's in the works AFAIK; gnome-session gets a -bin split out with just the bits that gdm needs [16:30] then xfce can just pull in that one [16:30] davidbarth: reusing the current package name, surely? (so no sense in us archive folks moving it to universe, if it's going to come back shortly) [16:30] Thank you [16:30] (done in Debian, we just need to merge) [16:31] no more questions from me; anyone else? [16:32] [TOPIC] Mobile Team [16:32] New Topic: Mobile Team [16:32] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic [16:32] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic [16:32] Hotest topics are: [16:32] * qemu buildds: IS is seeing crashes/hangs; I'll try to reproduce; we're very much hoping for hardware [16:32] slangasek: doing what you folks tell us to do ;) but yes, reusing the pkg name [16:32] * cd images: mx51 and marvell need kernel and bootloader; we're working on the bootloaders [16:32] * mx51 kernel is worrying: see details on the wiki page and kernel team will probably expand, but I'd like to discuss consequences of using 2.6.28 which is the proposed plan for the short term [16:33] cjwatson, slangasek: I'd love to hear your thoughts on the consequences of using 2.6.28 in karmic [16:33] mx51> I thought that was already discussed briefly, and davidm came back and said you weren't doing it [16:33] lool: davidm told me that the 2.6.28 idea was scrapped already [16:33] We weren't doign what? 2.6.28? [16:33] my thoughts are pretty similar to slangasek's expressed earlier, viz.: pretty painful in the metapackages, would greatly prefer not to even short-term if possible, but if we do it then it can't release that way [16:34] Hmm we chatted about this over the mobile phone meeting in my morning some hours ago [16:34] lool: I got word last night that .28 was out [16:34] lool, per our conversation of last night we killed 2.6.28 [16:34] davidm: around? [16:34] Ok [16:34] It was way to painful [16:34] Right [16:34] That was my impression too [16:34] So probably no image for a3, unless the kernel makes progress [16:34] * slangasek nods [16:35] pgraner: I guess you'll cover the mx51 situation in details, or should we do that now? [16:35] lool: not likely unless we get some serious help from freescale [16:35] I've included the status/proposals to make progress on the wiki page [16:35] lool: what wiki? [16:35] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic [16:35] lool: we track the status on our page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic [16:36] Ok; i added some details on hardware debuggers, request for help to FSL etc. [16:36] Are there any questions on mobile status? [16:36] lool: some stuff, like dk-disks or KMS doesn't work with 2.6.28 [16:36] lool: I don't see any proposals other than .28 which davidm suggested btw not the kernel team [16:37] lool: bug #396453 isn't on your wiki page [16:37] Launchpad bug 396453 in webfav "webfav must support ffox 3.5 in karmic" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396453 [16:37] I thought it was a proposal by amitk; I'll remove that part [16:37] lool: that's your department, isn't it? :) [16:37] amitk is kernel team ATM but working for mobile [16:37] lool: libgudev relies on some new netlink features that are only in .30 (non-root users being able to talk through netlink to udev) [16:38] slangasek: That's not targetted at A3 though; I didn't include updates on all release targetted bugs [16:38] slangasek: I could do that if you think that's useful [16:38] pitti: Thanks; I think everyboyd agrees to not follow on the 2.6.28 idea anyway [16:38] lool: ok, just adding a "will break" reason then :) [16:39] Thanks :) [16:39]