[00:01] <fta> good
[00:05] <BUGabundo> fta: and it even opens pages :)
[00:06] <fta> BUGabundo, for me, it's really looking good, gtk theme, flash plugin, video, etc..
[00:07] <fta> just need an adblock and it's usable enough for me
[00:07] <BUGabundo> flash?
[00:07] <BUGabundo> I read about it yesterday
[00:08] <BUGabundo> fta: you using addons?
[00:08] <BUGabundo> I though you were the guy who didn't use any
[00:09] <fta> BUGabundo, no, not me. I have 28 addons installed, 11 active
[00:09] <BUGabundo> really?
[00:10] <fta> yes, why?
[00:12] <fta> abp, chrome list (useless), dom inspector (useless), download statusbar, firebug, rikaichan + 2 dicts, jsview, nightly tester, tab counter and web developer
[00:14] <BUGabundo> fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/214000/
[00:14] <BUGabundo> and that's because asac FORCED me to drop soooo many
[00:17] <asac__> micahg: i used the contact form on calendar.live.com and complained
[00:17] <asac__> more we cant do imo
[00:18] <micahg> asac__ I agree, what to do with the bug?
[00:19] <asac__> also sent to bing
[00:19] <asac__> leave it alone ;)
[00:20] <micahg> ok
[00:20]  * micahg has been trying to stay on top of the ff3.5 bugs so it doesn't become like ff3.0
[00:20] <asac__> heh
[00:20] <asac__> honours goal. really
[00:21] <asac__> honorous
[00:21] <asac__> it will be fun when we make it default ;)
[00:21] <micahg> indeed
[00:22] <asac__> micahg: what bug id was it?
[00:22] <micahg> bug 397211
[00:41] <micahg> asac: did you see gnomefreak
[00:41] <micahg> 's suggestion about ubufox for kde
[00:41] <BUGabundo> Mark has twitter ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/397297
[00:44] <asac> micahg: well. kubufox might make sense at some point - though currently ubufox itself is desktop agnostic, but to fix the problem of all the depends getting pulled in, its bug 293533
[00:44] <asac> ubufox needs apturl, that one pulls in all gnome stuff
[00:44] <fta> BUGabundo, good, maybe he'll assign someone to look for all the bugs ;)
[00:45] <micahg> ah, so if apturl is agnostic, then ubufox would be as well
[00:46] <BUGabundo> fta: ehe he has a >49 char pass LOLOL
[00:46] <BUGabundo> I think he was trying to make a dent/twit in the wrong box
[00:51] <fta> iirc, you can't even use ! in passwords
[00:51] <fta> you can't even sent \o/ in a dent
[00:51] <fta> sned
[00:51] <fta> grr
[00:52] <BUGabundo> sure you can
[00:53] <BUGabundo> (12:52:56 AM) IM: see " @fta: you can't even sent \o/ in a dent"
[00:53] <BUGabundo> (12:53:02 AM) update@identi.ca: bugabundo: see  @fta: you cant even sent \o/ in a dent
[00:53] <fta> i can't
[00:53] <BUGabundo> gwibber:read/1
[00:53] <BUGabundo> oops
[00:54] <fta> i get o/ unless i send \\o/
[00:54] <BUGabundo> http://identi.ca/notice/6256964
[00:54] <BUGabundo> I see it there
[00:54] <fta> gwibber?
[00:54] <BUGabundo> I see it fine
[00:54] <BUGabundo> all forms
[00:54] <BUGabundo> gwibber, xmpp, web
[00:55] <fta> bug 353705
[00:55] <BUGabundo> fixed?
[00:56] <BUGabundo> WFM
[00:56] <BUGabundo> try pinging me
[00:56] <fta> hm, seems ok now
[00:57] <fta> but i nearly gave up on gwibber, too many crashes/freezes
[00:57] <BUGabundo> it just restarted for me 4 times
[00:57] <BUGabundo> while I've been online tonight
[00:57] <BUGabundo> I said it before: I run it with $ watch -n10 gwibber
[00:57] <BUGabundo> even have an alias
[00:58] <BUGabundo> wgwibber
[00:58] <BUGabundo> fta: your dent looks good
[01:02] <asac> fta: did you ever try to get a reasonable backtrace on gwibber?
[01:02] <asac> i wonder if its webkit crashes
[01:02] <BUGabundo> asac: if I knew how to debug python and upstream looked at bug
[01:02] <asac> otherwise the python must be really dirty ;)
[01:02] <BUGabundo> *bugs
[01:02] <fta> bug 389505
[01:02] <BUGabundo> I would file way too many more
[01:02] <BUGabundo> I've stopped 'cause it was usselless
[01:02] <fta> bug 380618
[01:03] <BUGabundo> yeah most bugs are pango
[01:04] <BUGabundo> I've increased gwibber cache too 100 dents WOOT
[01:04] <BUGabundo> I now can go back 2h
[01:05] <asac> hmm cant repro
[01:05] <BUGabundo> or 5 days on replies eheh
[01:05] <asac> what does "text scroll" mean?
[01:06] <asac> fta: how long to wait?
[01:06] <asac> one reload?
[01:07] <BUGabundo> ** (gwibber:19904): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'WnckWindowState' as flags when in fact it is of type 'GEnum'
[01:07] <BUGabundo> ** (gwibber:19904): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'WnckWindowActions' as flags when in fact it is of type 'GEnum'
[01:07] <BUGabundo> ** (gwibber:19904): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'WnckWindowMoveResizeMask' as flags when in fact it is of type 'GEnum
[01:07] <BUGabundo> /usr/bin/gwibber:79: PangoWarning: pango_layout_line_unref: assertion `private->ref_count > 0' failed
[01:07] <BUGabundo>   gtk.main()
[01:07] <BUGabundo> Bus error (core dumped)
[01:07] <fta> asac, type more than the window width, and wait
[01:18] <asac> fta: stay at the end of line with cursor?
[01:18] <asac> yay ;)
[01:18] <asac> now it happened
[01:19]  * asac a bit scared about gwibber threading approach
[01:19] <asac> they have a process: function running in a thread
[01:19] <asac> and do something in a critical block
[01:20] <asac> something else they schedule on the main loop
[01:20] <asac> something else they do outside the critical block
[01:20] <asac> modifying an array most likely accessed by UI thread
[01:21] <asac> all the stuff that is done there, except the data retrievel most likely should go into the idle handler
[01:21] <micahg> asac: is it worth pointing out to people that they are running dailies when submitting bugs?
[01:22] <asac> micahg: depends
[01:22] <asac> micahg: dailies are actually good
[01:22] <asac> if they see some regression we should notify upstream rather quickly
[01:22] <asac> if is random noise
[01:22] <asac> then it doesnt matter either i guess ;)
[01:23] <micahg> ok, I was thinking people might have stuck with dailies instead of jumping off after the official release
[01:24] <asac> micahg: well. if they wanted dailies before, then they proably dont have a problem with dailies after the stable rlease
[01:24] <asac> the dailies become less risky after major release is out
[01:24] <asac> e.g. 3.5 upstream branch is now governed by stable branch policies
[01:25] <micahg> ok, I'll let it go then
[01:40]  * BUGabundo $ date; $ echo bedtime; $ aptitude why bed; $ echo guud pillow :p
[01:41] <asac> fta: checkout lp:~asac/gwibber/dead-to-races
[01:41]  * BUGabundo hopes tommorow asac has guud gwibber news :)
[01:57] <micahg> is anyone running the 3.5.1pre dailies?
[01:57] <dtchen> i was until i encountered the focus-grabbing issues
[01:57] <micahg> hmm
[01:58] <micahg> I wanted someone to test something that works for me on the stable version
[01:58] <micahg> should I just ask the user to try the stable version to see if it works?
[05:49] <micahg> !msgthebot > micahg
[06:38] <NCommander> asac, fta ping?
[06:38] <NCommander> (or anyone who can upload thunderbird?)
[09:03] <mahfouz> will ff 3.5 ever become "firefox" in jaunty?
[09:05] <micahg> !ff35 | mahfouz
[09:05] <mahfouz> yeah, but I want it as default browser
[09:05] <mahfouz> i mean it's more than a security update, but so were 3.0.8, 3.0.9 and so on
[09:06] <micahg> we don't change the default in a stable release
[09:07] <mahfouz> you changed 3.0.10 to 3.0.11
[09:07] <micahg> that's a security update
[09:07] <mahfouz> as i said above, it's not JUST a security update
[09:07] <micahg> this is a version upgrade
[09:07] <micahg> that is the main purpose
[09:08] <micahg> occasionally a fix will be backported to the current branch from teh devel brance
[09:08] <micahg> but they are intended as major bugfix and security fix releases
[09:09] <micahg> FF3.5 is totally new functionality
[09:09] <micahg> and not all the other mozilla items in teh repos are compatible
[09:09] <micahg> therefore, it would not make sense to give it as an update
[09:11] <micahg> mahfouz: please reference this document: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[09:12] <mahfouz> citizen, be paranoid
[09:12] <mahfouz> that's the spirit
[09:12] <micahg> huh?
[09:12] <mahfouz> from your url
[09:12] <micahg> I do not understand
[09:13] <mahfouz> i just quoted from your link
[09:13] <mahfouz> that's all
[09:13] <micahg> ah yes
[09:13] <mahfouz> what I am saying is that it's still 4 months to karmic and if ff 3.5 is tested and stable in the next weeks, then more and more users will want it as firefox in the repos
[09:14] <mahfouz> I for example have many scripts that use "firefox" and it would be a hassle to rewrite them all
[09:14] <micahg> that doesn
[09:14] <mahfouz> and to have 2 default browsers on your desktop
[09:14] <micahg> no one is asking people to upgrade to 3.5 at this point
[09:14] <micahg> but it's there if people want to use it
[09:15] <micahg> ff3.5 is stable currently
[09:15] <micahg> but that's not the issue
[09:15] <micahg> the issue is we don't change app versions in a stable release unless the criteria on that wiki page are met
[09:16] <mahfouz> well, I understand your reasoning but there will be many people asking for an official browser upgrade in the weeks and months before karmic release
[09:17] <micahg> it won't happen in Ubuntu
[09:17] <micahg> it just doesn't work like that
[09:17] <micahg> Stable release means all the components have been tested together
[09:17] <micahg> we do not have the resources to do a full test like that on Firefox 3.5
[09:18] <micahg> and work on karmic
[09:18] <micahg> that's why the rules are so strict on stable releases
[09:18] <micahg> otherwise, the os would be unreliable
[09:18] <micahg> FF3.0 will continue to recevie security fixes for the foreseeable future
[09:19] <micahg> ff3.5 will be the default in karmic
[09:19] <micahg> ff3.5 in jaunty was a courtest
[09:19] <micahg> courtesy
[09:19] <Lantizia> if it's a courtesy why can't the courtesy include a backport that has the right logo and replaces firefox-3.0
[09:19] <Lantizia> for those who want it
[09:20] <mahfouz> yo! supporter to my cause!
[09:20] <micahg> Lantizia: when someone does a favor for you, do you throw it back in their face and say this is not good enough?
[09:20] <mahfouz> micahg: i might
[09:20] <Lantizia> I didn't switch from debian to ubuntu for my desktop for "ultra high and mighty stability rules"
[09:20] <Lantizia> I swapped because you've got the latest and greatest
[09:20] <Lantizia> This would seem to go against that
[09:21] <mahfouz> yeah, give us the your huddled crashes!
[09:21] <mahfouz> Lantizia: you drove him out of the channel :)
[09:21] <Lantizia> lol
[09:21] <micahg1> sorry
[09:21] <micahg1> got disconnected
[09:22] <mahfouz> btw Lantizia, there is a daily build repo for mozilla but I dunno if this would update your "firefox" package
[09:22] <Lantizia> mahfouz, it's no different to the one in main
[09:22] <micahg> well, the daily is the preview of 3.5.1
[09:23] <Lantizia> no I wasn't on about the daily, I was on about the security
[09:24] <Lantizia> I have SNS syndrome and I have it bad, this is why I'm trying Ubuntu again (last time was version 5 and 6)
[09:24] <micahg> SNS?
[09:24] <Lantizia> Shiny New Shit
[09:24] <micahg> yeah
[09:24] <mahfouz> in a sense you should upgrade to 3.5 because it also improves security if I understand mozilla correctly
[09:24] <micahg> so, FF3.5 works just fine
[09:25] <micahg> mahfouz: no, it's a separate branch with its own security concerns
[09:25] <Lantizia> I get that firefox-3.5 _should not_ auto-update firefox_3.0 package
[09:25] <Lantizia> I don't get (at all) why on earth theres a need to add the version to the package name
[09:25] <Lantizia> But I do think if you add a backport repo that has firefox_3.5 it should upgrade and replace firefox 3.0
[09:25] <micahg> so we could have multiple versions (i.e. 3.5 in Jaunty)
[09:26] <Lantizia> micahg, But why bother when firefox 3.5 is stable!?
[09:26] <micahg> Lantizia: ff3.5 in Jaunty is not a backport
[09:26] <mahfouz> i actually support Lantizia's idea, that would give everybody what they wanted
[09:26] <Lantizia> micahg, if you want to test both because one is in beta then call the package shirako
[09:26] <mahfouz> micahg: exactly
[09:26] <micahg> Jaunty shipped with 2 versions of Firefox
[09:26] <micahg> Jaunty keeps 2 versions of Firefox
[09:26] <mahfouz> well it's not so outrageous that a backport has a newer version
[09:27] <Lantizia> versions _DON'T belong_ in package names... ever!
[09:27] <micahg> Lantizia: that makes upgrades confusing
[09:27] <micahg> Lantizia: if you support multiple versions they do
[09:27] <mahfouz> but firefox has different versions in edgy hardy etc
[09:28] <micahg> Lantizia: are you familiar with gcc?
[09:28] <Lantizia> yeah thats different tho
[09:28] <micahg> Lantizia: why?
[09:28] <Lantizia> because it's a matter of compatibility, a fundamental package others really do depend on
[09:28] <Lantizia> firefox is just an app
[09:28] <micahg> mysql?
[09:28] <Lantizia> and postgresql? :D
[09:29] <Lantizia> does my head in the number of versions postgres has in the repo's
[09:29] <micahg> the point is, it's a necessary evil if you want to support multiple versions
[09:29] <Lantizia> well mozilla give them other names! codenames! use them!
[09:29] <micahg> maybe I should just suggest that we only ship one version of firefox per release inthe  future to avoid this
[09:29] <Lantizia> firefox _doesn't_ keep TWO versions of firefox stable at the same time
[09:29] <micahg> then everyone would have to wait until the next release to even get it
[09:29] <Lantizia> when they're done with one, they're done with it
[09:30] <micahg> Lantizia: yes, they do
[09:30] <Lantizia> so why have two packages maintained!
[09:30] <micahg> until it
[09:30] <micahg> 's EOL
[09:30] <mahfouz> but you could have a repo in which "firefox" is a metapackage that refers to ff 3.5, right?
[09:30] <micahg> mahfouz: that will be in karmic
[09:30] <mahfouz> not yet
[09:30] <Lantizia> I'd only see a point in that if firefox3.5 had the right logos
[09:30] <mahfouz> or is it?
[09:30] <micahg> I believe
[09:30] <Lantizia> I got tired of seeing Iceweasel
[09:30] <micahg> no, not yet
[09:30] <Lantizia> now I've got a stupid globe
[09:31] <mahfouz> ff in karmic is still 3.0
[09:31] <micahg> It's 3:30 am for me
[09:31] <mahfouz> http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/firefox
[09:31] <Lantizia> it's 9:30am here :)
[09:31] <Lantizia> and I'm at work, yay for IRC!
[09:31] <mahfouz> it's 10:30 here :)
[09:31] <Lantizia> germany?
[09:31] <mahfouz> yo
[09:31] <Lantizia> :D
[09:31] <mahfouz> british or port?
[09:31] <Lantizia> need to learn me some german, theres so many of you on the net! :D
[09:31] <Lantizia> british old chap
[09:32] <micahg> Here's the spec for the Karmic firefox conversion
[09:32] <micahg> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5
[09:32] <micahg> I ahve to go to sleep
[09:32] <Lantizia> right well I'm taking your firefox 3.5 package, putting the right logos on it and putting it in a repo of my own on PPA!
[09:32] <Lantizia> and calling it "shock horror" .... firefox
[09:33] <micahg> Lantizia: Mozilla has rules for using their branding
[09:33] <Lantizia> oh and they can argue it's not the finished product can they?
[09:33] <micahg> if you want to worry about all that, I cannot advise you
[09:33] <mahfouz> call it "the rocky horror firefox"
[09:34] <micahg> I cannot advise such things
[09:36] <micahg> good night
[09:36] <mahfouz> bye
[09:42] <macvr> hi all... I'm using ff3.5 in Jaunty from the universe repo , how do i solve this weird fonts problem? http://imagebin.ca/view/VmKFcSp.html
[09:42] <macvr> it does not happen with FF3
[09:43] <macvr> asac: ^ any ideas , about what i'm doing wrong?
[09:50]  * asac looks
[09:51] <asac> macvr: not sure whats the problem is (my eyes are really bad for fonts)
[09:52] <macvr> the fonts are not rendered properly... just sec ... i'll show same image from ff3
[09:54] <macvr> asac: http://imagebin.ca/view/t8Gvcy.html this is in FF3
[09:55] <macvr> i have the same problems even when i use swiftfox, [FF3.5]
[10:01] <macvr> anyone else having the same problem?
[10:15] <asac> macvr: i dont see a problem ;)
[10:15] <asac> but thats my eyes i guess
[10:16] <asac> is it different hinting?
[10:16] <macvr> yes... the fonts are not smooth
[10:17] <macvr> asac: this problem is obvious since the rest of the fonts in the system are rendered well
[10:24] <asac> macvr: what hinting have you set system wide?
[10:24] <macvr> asac: just a sec... i'm making a better screnshot
[10:24] <asac> macvr: i dont want a sreenshot
[10:25] <asac> macvr: what hinting are you having set in gnome preference dialog?
[10:25] <asac> full?
[10:25] <macvr> asac: i have superimposed the ff3 image >http://imagebin.ca/view/ZiAczB.html
[10:25] <macvr> yup...hinting is full
[10:26] <asac> ok change to hinting slight
[10:26] <asac> does that match what you see in firefox?
[10:27] <macvr> asac: whe i set, hinting to none and smoothing to grey scale , it matches the FF3.5
[10:27] <macvr> when^
[10:33] <asac> hm
[10:34] <asac> thats not what i can confirm
[10:34] <asac> its usually whatever you have configured in your fontconfig
[10:34] <asac> ignoring gnome settings
[10:34] <asac> we ship slight by default
[10:34] <asac> maybe you tweaked them once manually
[10:34] <asac> anyway. i think its known
[10:34] <macvr> what about Hinting?
[10:34] <asac> bug 379761
[10:36] <macvr> ah...  i just couldnt find anywhere else about this problem... thats for the bug :)
[10:49] <gnomefreak> morning
[10:52] <asac> hi gnomefreak
[10:55] <gnomefreak> asac: do you know of a setting in Tbird-3 to enable the list of people who commented on email or is this an upstream feature/bug? Handy to know before i ask Mozilla about it.
[10:56] <asac> gnomefreak: "enable the list of people who commented on email"
[10:56] <asac> what does that mean?
[10:57] <asac> (i dont understand the feature request)
[10:58] <gnomefreak> asac: in tbird-3 looking at your inbox it used to list the senders name after the title. no longer does this
[10:59] <gnomefreak> i cant find a setting in advanced menu for it
[11:00]  * gnomefreak also has ideas you are not going to like with ubufox, i will wait to bring them up ;)
[11:02] <gnomefreak> i guess xulrunner-1.9.1 is not the same in Debian as it is in Ubuntu
[11:02] <macvr> asac: thans a lot for the bug , editing the .fonts.conf solved the font problem
[11:08] <gnomefreak> thatnks for the bug fix or thanks for the work-around might have been a better way to say that. thanks for the bug sounds like he introduced a bug
[11:09] <asac> macvr: thx
[11:10] <macvr> gnomefreak: he gave me the bug number...  ;p
[11:10] <gnomefreak> oh :)
[11:12] <asac> hehe
[11:12] <asac> all fine
[11:12] <asac> i knew the context at lesat ;)
[11:24] <gnomefreak> !realplayer
[11:25] <gnomefreak> i dont get it, i thought realplayer wasnt in repos
[11:26] <bdrung_> asac: how is the progress of mozilla-devscripts for Debian?
[11:41] <asac> bdrung_: is in NEW
[11:41] <asac> http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[11:41] <bdrung_> asac: cool
[11:41] <bdrung_> yesterday one of my packages waiting in NEW was accepted.
[11:41] <asac> heh
[11:41] <asac> sounds good
[11:44] <bdrung_> some days ago there were about 270 packages in NEW
[11:50] <gnomefreak> are greasemonkey scripts only perl or does it take other scripts like python?
[12:03] <ramvi1> I'm having a hard time compiling firefox from source, which is kind of essential to contribute :p I bzr branch to get the code and debuild to get a deb, but it failes with
[12:03] <ramvi1> 3 out of 3 hunks ignored
[12:03] <ramvi1> Patch firefox-profilename does not apply (enforce with -f)
[12:03] <ramvi1> make: *** [debian/stamp-patched] Error 1
[12:04] <gnomefreak> ramvi1: maybe bzr-builddeb would help or you may need to edit patch (not here atm)
[12:08] <gnomefreak> ramvi1: 3.0.11 and 3.5 both have working patches. Did you update branch using latest 3.0.11 branch (or use the repo version)
[12:09] <ramvi1> gnomefreak: Right, ok, so bzr branch lp:firefox, then bzr-buildpackage ? I seem to get errors then too. Isn't it weird that I have to edit the scripts?
[12:09] <gnomefreak> i dont remember the contents of that patch off hand
[12:09] <ramvi1> I'm trying to build 3.5
[12:09] <ramvi1> So that's like just Branch   lp:firefox
[12:09] <gnomefreak> ramvi1: you shouldnt have to since 3.5 in repos builds just fine (assuming you didnt change branding
[12:10] <gnomefreak> s/ /)
[12:10] <ramvi1> right, I didn't change anything. That's what's weird
[12:11] <ramvi1> so there's no secret? You just bzr get the code and debuild it?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> ramvi1: i know my seamonkey-2.0 build i have to update patch. Quilt should beable to fix it for you
[12:11] <gnomefreak> ramvi1: should work or even apt-get source firefox-3.5 and build than push to your branch
[12:12] <ramvi1> apt-get source gives me beta4
[12:12] <gnomefreak> mozilla team branch should be without problems but that is same as the version pushed to official repos
[12:12] <gnomefreak> ramvi1: what ubuntu version?
[12:13] <ramvi1> I'm running jaunty
[12:13] <gnomefreak> !info firefox-3.5 jaunty
[12:13] <gnomefreak> ramvi1: its final release in jaunty
[12:13] <gnomefreak> ramvi1: name will still be shireoko
[12:14] <ramvi1> yeah I know, but the dir said b4, guess that doesn't mean anything then
[12:14] <ramvi1> gnomefreak: firefox-3.5 3.5~b4~hg20090330r24021+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[12:15] <gnomefreak> it shouldnt i dont have source for it atm
[12:15] <gnomefreak> ramvi1: thats not an up-to-date tarball than
[12:16] <gnomefreak> ramvi1: sounds like however if you use apt-get source it is the right tarball. just sounds like you are not up to date for some reason
[12:16] <gnomefreak> ramvi1: make sure changelog has the right version, if so just rename the toplever dir
[12:16] <ramvi1> ok, i'll look into it. thanks for your time
[12:16] <gnomefreak> np
[12:17] <gnomefreak> asac: are you using same ubufox branch for Debian and Ubuntu?
[12:18] <gnomefreak> sorry not ubufox but mozilla-devscripts
[12:23] <NCommander> asac, ping!
[12:26] <NCommander> fta, ping?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> i'm suprised no hate mail from my bug comment on update-notifier :)
[12:34] <asac> NCommander: tbird upload?
[12:34] <NCommander> asac, yes please :-)?
[12:35] <NCommander> asac, (slangasek was wondering why its been two weeks and no upload ...)
[12:35] <asac> NCommander: i dont care about what he wonders ;)
[12:36]  * gnomefreak thinks this channel is better than working atm
[12:37] <gnomefreak> 2.0 is latest version in repos
[12:37]  * gnomefreak goes back to own little world
[12:39] <gnomefreak> asac: btw good luck getting flashgot devs to email back
[12:41] <gnomefreak> !info sunbird jaunty
[12:42] <gnomefreak> asac: can you please push sunbird ubuntu3 it fixes the armel build failure
[12:42] <gnomefreak> !info sunbird karmic
[12:42] <gnomefreak> yeah
[12:45] <asac> gnomefreak: did you include the sunbird patches ;)
[12:45] <asac> NCommander: i will upload it before next alpha
[12:45] <asac> we can move it bak to in progress if that stops slangasek bugging
[12:45] <gnomefreak> asac: yes it is patched and works
[12:45] <NCommander> asac, please comment that on the bug. We really need to get this SRU'ed though
[12:45] <asac> SRUed? didnt know about that
[12:46] <gnomefreak> i updated the bug with the branch and PPA info
[12:46] <NCommander> asac, yeah, we needed this fixed in jaunty
[12:46] <asac> i will talk to lool about that
[12:46]  * NCommander though we had discussed this ...
[12:46] <asac> i dont want to SRU something if there will be a PPA for other stuff
[12:46] <NCommander> asac, lool will have a better list of impressions for it
[12:46] <asac> NCommander: i knew that you wanted to get this planned
[12:47] <asac> but i didnt know that there are no other problems
[12:47]  * gnomefreak hopes m-d will grab latest 1.0
[12:47] <NCommander> asac, lool will know specifically what we need. I just wanted to make sure this didn't fall off your radar
[12:47] <asac> ok
[12:47] <asac> i will talk to him
[12:50] <asac> NCommander: anyway i will upload this afternoon
[13:22] <gnomefreak> hold off on sunbird i am fixing branches
[13:22] <gnomefreak> asac: what is with the name of thunderbird-2.0 using the .nspr...?
[13:23] <NCommander> gnomefreak, I think I left feedback on the bug, but the ARM fix you committed didn't fix it -/
[13:24] <asac> gnomefreak: yes. plese pick the other as well
[13:24] <gnomefreak> NCommander: the jaunty branch is messed up atm. im working on it, will build again once im done
[13:24] <asac> gnomefreak: there is one more in tbird branch
[13:24] <macvr> asac: the set as default browser doesnt work > even though. browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser < is set true
[13:24] <asac> gnomefreak: go for the .head branch fo rnow
[13:24] <gnomefreak> asac: i used both xpcom patches
[13:24] <macvr> is that purposeful?
[13:25] <gnomefreak> asac: where is the head branch?
[13:25] <asac> macvr: what is your current default browser in preferred applications?
[13:25] <asac> (gnome)
[13:25] <asac> gnomefreak: i dont know where you hvae your sunbird head branch
[13:25] <asac> maybe its called .dev
[13:25] <NCommander> gnomefreak, it will probably segfault with xpicom issues. Try cherrypicking the patches we dumped on the TB2 branch.
[13:25] <asac> i mean: fix it on the karmic branch and not on the jaunty branch for now
[13:26] <gnomefreak> asac: working on it
[13:26] <NCommander> gnomefreak, I can test any proposed fix on ARM trivially
[13:26] <gnomefreak> NCommander: good thanks i will let you know when branches are up
[13:26] <macvr> asac: gnome , browser shows custom..
[13:27] <macvr> but every time i click a link in a different app , the FF3 opens the link
[13:30] <macvr> changed it manually from   /usr/bin/firefox %s >  firefox3.5 %s
[13:31] <asac> macvr: what command do you have in custom?
[13:31] <andrew_sayers> asac: I was asking a while ago about Flash and screensavers.  Since you guys understandably have more important things right now, would you object if I took it straight to the upstream nspluginwrapper devs?
[13:31] <asac> macvr: i think if its /usr/bin/firefox
[13:31] <macvr> it was^
[13:31] <asac> andrew_sayers: sure. submit the patch there.
[13:31] <asac> andrew_sayers: i am subscribed to the list too
[13:31] <asac> macvr: if its like that its expected that you dont get asked
[13:31] <gnomefreak> NCommander: i found the problem :)
[13:32] <gnomefreak> i think
[13:32] <asac> macvr: but if you set it to something else it should work
[13:32] <asac> macvr: if that doesnt then its a bug
[13:32] <asac> (we should file)
[13:32] <macvr> asac: ... Check now also doesnt work ...
[13:32] <macvr> i'll do more testing.
[13:32] <asac> fta: did you check the gwibber branch i posted?
[13:33] <asac> fta: it fixes all segfaults from what i can tell
[13:33] <asac> if you want, check it out
[13:33] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~asac/gwibber/dead-to-races
[13:35] <asac> fta: let me know if you can still reproduce your crash
[13:36] <macvr> asac: i tried again , selected the firefox from drop down as the default app > selected check now > nothing happens > tried a restart with the check at start up checked > still doesnt switch /detect.
[13:36] <macvr> asac: so shall i file a new bug?
[13:37] <asac> macvr: no. i am saying if its "firefox" its ok
[13:37] <asac> macvr: set it to something else
[13:37] <asac> like konqueror or so
[13:37] <macvr> ok..
[13:37] <asac> if that still doesnt work, then file a bug, yes.
[13:37] <macvr> will try again
[13:37] <asac> thx
[13:47] <macvr> asac: no... tired with setting epiphany as default , still doesnt check ... but IMO even if Firefox3 is set as default it should work... I'm filing a new bug
[13:49] <asac> macvr: well. we have some hard coded hack in ffox code base
[13:49] <asac> that would prevent it to check if its firefox
[13:49] <asac> (because we assume it will be firefox at some point)
[13:49] <asac> if it doesnt check thats ok
[13:49] <asac> macvr: do you have gnome-support installed ?
[13:50]  * macvr checking
[13:50] <asac> thas required
[13:50] <asac> otherwise it wont integrate with your gnome preferred settings
[13:50] <macvr> ah!... firefox 3 has it but not 3.5
[13:51] <macvr> asac: shouldnt it be installed as dependencies?
[13:51] <macvr> Bug #357651 has been set as invalid
[13:53] <asac> macvr: well. kubuntu folks complained about it so its a suggest now
[13:53] <asac> will get pulled in through ubunu-desktop when it beomes the default
[13:54] <macvr> asac: ok.. installing gnome-support fixes this. it now checks... so maybe something could be done , where only gnome side uses it as dependency ?
[13:55] <macvr> for jaunty users
[13:55] <asac> no
[13:55] <asac> we cannot do anything about it unfortunately
[13:55] <asac> i wanted to keep it as recommends
[13:55] <asac> but kubuntu folks complained too much and a real solution is not in sight
[13:56] <macvr> :(  there are going to be a lot of confused Jaunty users
[13:56] <macvr> asac: alteast you could add t to your blogs
[13:57] <macvr> !ff35
[13:57] <macvr> the one linked in this ^url?^
[14:08] <asac> yes
[14:14] <gnomefreak> you never commented on that bug.
[14:15] <asac> gnomefreak: on which bug?
[14:15] <gnomefreak> asac: pushing branch should be published soon
[14:15] <asac> k
[14:15] <gnomefreak> bug 358084
[14:15] <gnomefreak> asac: ill give you link to branch once its published
[14:18] <bluekuja> asac, hi
[14:18] <bluekuja> asac, what can be wrong here http://sourceforge.net/projects/dtorrent/files/dtorrent/ctorrent-dnh(\d.*)\.tar.gz ?
[14:18] <bluekuja> this is into a watch file
[14:19] <bluekuja> ctorrent versioning is like this: ctorrent-dnh3.3.2.tar.gz
[14:19] <asac> no ide. i guess you cannot use watch files with sourceforge that way
[14:19] <asac> e.g. they dont even provide a file listing
[14:20] <asac> http://sourceforge.net/projects/dtorrent/files/dtorrent
[14:20] <bluekuja> project is dtorrent
[14:20] <bluekuja> file is ctorrent
[14:20] <asac> if you go there you get some kind of custom site
[14:20] <asac> yes
[14:20] <asac> but it doesnt give yo ua file listing
[14:20] <asac> so how would watch figure which tar to download
[14:20] <bluekuja> so it's impossible
[14:21] <bluekuja> to have it?
[14:21] <sebner> asac: öhö! ff3.5 dies when switching to fullscreen mode in flash vidz
[14:21] <gnomefreak> anyone know what OEM Priority is?
[14:21] <asac> bluekuja: i dont know. i dont use watch files that much
[14:21] <asac> but lots of others love htem
[14:21] <bluekuja> ok
[14:22] <asac> ask in -motu
[14:22] <bluekuja> ok
[14:22] <asac> or debian-devel on oftc
[14:22] <sebner> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/214722/ ;) ;) ;)
[14:23] <Paddy_NI> Hey guys I installed firefox-3.5 from the universe repository on ubuntu jaunty 64bit and I cannot seem to get it to run.. when I start firefox-3.5 from a terminal I guy a segmentation fault
[14:23] <bluekuja> sebner, here?
[14:23] <bluekuja> lol
[14:23] <Paddy_NI> *get
[14:23] <asac> hmm
[14:24] <asac> sebner: not sure. thats just with flash?
[14:24] <sebner> bluekuja: sure, Annoying asac is fun :D
[14:24] <sebner> asac: yep
[14:24] <bluekuja> lol
[14:24] <asac> or can you reproduce with full screen?
[14:24] <asac> without flash?
[14:24]  * gnomefreak doesnt have an issue in Jaunty or Karmic running 3.5. try firefox-3.5 --safe-mode
[14:24] <Paddy_NI> gnomefreak: good point
[14:25] <Paddy_NI> gnomefreak: segmentation fault :(
[14:25] <sebner> asac: I tried different flash sources. just go on youtube, choose a video start it, use fullscreen and it dies
[14:25] <gnomefreak> in --safe-mode?
[14:25] <sebner> gnomefreak: also not working
[14:25] <Paddy_NI> yep gnomefreak
[14:26] <asac> Paddy_NI: strace -eopen -f firefox-3.5 .... paste the putput please
[14:26] <asac> output
[14:26] <gnomefreak> Paddy_NI: can you run with --fail-safe maybe we will get lucky and its the same as sebner's :) see http://paste.ubuntu.com/214722/
[14:26] <gnomefreak> Paddy_NI: is it anysite?
[14:26] <Paddy_NI> gnomefreak: it just wont load at all
[14:26] <Paddy_NI> asac: ok just a sec
[14:26] <gnomefreak> asac: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/sunbird/ubuntu-0.x.9.10
[14:27] <asac> gnomefreak: thats not all patches for armel i think
[14:27] <asac> NCommander: ^
[14:27] <gnomefreak> asac: in tbird it is from what i saw
[14:28] <NCommander> gnomefreak, there should be two for it
[14:28] <Paddy_NI> asac: how would I tell that command to output to a file on my desktop as there is too much output for scrollback?
[14:28] <gnomefreak> bz322806_arm-vfp-2538:3f78d5e894bc.patch???
[14:28] <gnomefreak> NCommander: i added 2
[14:28] <gnomefreak> 18 and 38 xpcom
[14:28] <NCommander> that looks right
[14:29] <asac> * Fixes (LP: #358084): add arm(el) xpcom patches from thunderbird package - add debian/patches/18_arm_xpcom_unused_attribute.dpatch - add debian/patches/38_arm_xpcom_optim.dpatch
[14:29] <asac> NCommander: those are enough?
[14:29] <Paddy_NI> gnomefreak: fail safe also gives a segfault
[14:29] <gnomefreak> asac: tbird builds so that should be good
[14:29] <NCommander> gnomefreak, builds isn't enough
[14:29] <gnomefreak> Paddy_NI: did it give you output?
[14:29] <NCommander> gnomefreak, it will segfault without the EABI fixes
[14:29] <Paddy_NI> gnome none
[14:29] <Paddy_NI> err
[14:29] <Paddy_NI> gnomefreak: none at all mate
[14:29] <Paddy_NI> just the segfault
[14:30] <gnomefreak> Paddy_NI: its up-to-date finail release?
[14:30] <bluekuja> asac, the get-orig-source will work?
[14:30] <gnomefreak> branding is unofficial
[14:30] <bluekuja> asac, with sf
[14:30] <Paddy_NI> well which ever version is in universe gnomefreak
[14:30] <gnomefreak> Paddy_NI: apt-cache policy firefox-3.5
[14:31]  * gnomefreak wonders if it ended up in -security
[14:31] <Paddy_NI> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu.com/214731/
[14:31] <gnomefreak> 3.5 is my default browser in Jaunty/Karmic and it runs fine
[14:31] <Paddy_NI> yeah seems to run perfectly for most
[14:32] <Paddy_NI> this is a pretty fresh clean install of ubuntu too
[14:32] <gnomefreak> the other one left :(
[14:32] <Paddy_NI> :(
[14:32] <gnomefreak> Paddy_NI: yeah its in -updates by the looks of it
[14:33] <gnomefreak> Paddy_NI: does it produce a crash file in /var/crash
[14:33] <Paddy_NI> gnomefreak: I will have a look
[14:33] <asac> first get me the strace
[14:33] <Paddy_NI> asac: how do I make that command output to a file
[14:33] <gnomefreak> Paddy_NI: strace first :) s
[14:33] <Paddy_NI> scroll back is to large I cannot get it all
[14:34] <gnomefreak> Paddy_NI: > filename should work
[14:34] <Paddy_NI> ok
[14:34] <sebner> asac: do you also need something from me?
[14:34] <gnomefreak> > will overwrite anything in the file if it is already there
[14:34] <asac> Paddy_NI: append &> /tmp/out.txt
[14:34] <Paddy_NI> ok
[14:35] <gnomefreak> Paddy_NI: i use command 2>&1 | tee build-log.txt :)
[14:35] <asac> sebner: works for me
[14:35] <sebner> :(
[14:35] <asac> sebner: try to use nspluginwrapper maybe
[14:35] <asac> i am using it on 32bit
[14:35] <asac> so might be different
[14:36]  * sebner -> 32 bit
[14:36] <gnomefreak> oh crap Paddy_NI your on 64bit?
[14:36] <Paddy_NI> would that be a problem
[14:36]  * gnomefreak had a flash thought
[14:36] <Paddy_NI> http://paste.ubuntu.com/214738/
[14:36] <Paddy_NI> strace
[14:38] <gnomefreak> Paddy_NI: did you get flash from our repos with nspluginwrapper? just checking
[14:39] <asac> Paddy_NI: try with a fresh profile
[14:39] <gnomefreak> IIRC flash go to xulrunner
[14:39] <Paddy_NI> hmm
[14:39] <asac> e.g. mv $HOME/.mozilla $HOME/mybackout
[14:39] <asac> you hav ecolourful tabs extension which has always been a PITA
[14:39] <Paddy_NI> ah
[14:39] <Paddy_NI> :(
[14:40] <gnomefreak> asac: --safe-mode fails too he said
[14:40] <Paddy_NI> yeah
[14:40] <asac> well
[14:40] <gnomefreak> that should drop all extensions
[14:40] <asac> try to move it away
[14:40] <asac> some dont use -safe-mode properly
[14:40] <asac> gnomefreak: no necessarily
[14:40] <gnomefreak> good point
[14:40] <Paddy_NI> got it... although I will have to resume this in about an hour as I am getting a lift home now :(
[14:41] <Paddy_NI> sorry guys although I have the log of this convo and I will check back
[14:41] <gnomefreak> thats a whole lot of extensions
[14:44] <gnomefreak> Lp is not helpful with the OEM project :(
[14:48] <macvr> this maybe a silly question , but does this work for any of you in FF3.5 > http://www.youtube.com/html5 ,
[14:49] <macvr> isnt FF3.5 html5 conmptible or do i have to set it somewhere?
[14:49] <macvr> compatible^
[14:50] <asac> macvr: it wont work becaues ffox doesnt support the codec used by youtube
[14:50]  * gnomefreak checking
[14:50] <asac> its kind of a fight between mozilla/opera and google
[14:50] <asac> mozilla wants to not support proprietary codecs to improve the idea of the open web
[14:50] <macvr> :/
[14:51] <asac> google wants stuff to stay proprietary and doesnt mind if open source folks cannot get a good solution
[14:51] <gnomefreak> i guess its not flash?
[14:51] <asac> its video tag
[14:51] <macvr> gnomefreak: no its not flash
[14:51] <gnomefreak> saw
[14:52] <fta> asac, it's not about proprietary or not, it's about quality per bit
[14:52] <asac> thats what they say
[14:52] <asac> yeah
[14:52] <fta> i'm in contact with some video guys from google
[14:53] <asac> yeah, but those get their input from product manangement ;)
[14:53] <macvr> ^ 0.0
[14:53] <asac> personally i compared the example videos and i didnt see any big difference ;)
[14:54] <fta> size
[14:54] <macvr> asac: yeah.. it looked nice
[14:54] <asac> no same size example videos
[14:55] <fta> you do better with h264 for the same size, or the same with less bits
[14:55] <asac> thats what they claim ... but for the examples i saw it was only marginally
[14:55] <asac> same-size examples
[14:56] <asac> point is that google has the power to get us to an open-web
[14:56] <asac> they also have the bandwidth ;)
[14:56] <asac> but they want h264 ;)
[14:56]  * asac stops ranting
[15:00] <asac> fta: if you could try to reproduce your crash in my gwibber branch i would be grateful ;)
[15:01] <asac> it doesnt crash here anymore
[15:01] <gnomefreak> make script smarter > pakcage script   my limited knowledge of bash means it will be ready ~ 10.10 release
[15:03] <fta> asac, ppa?
[15:03] <gnomefreak> nightly doesnt crash :)
[15:04] <gnomefreak> or daily whatever the name of it is
[15:05] <asac> fta: just checkout and run ./bin/gwibber
[15:06] <asac> bzr branch lp:~asac/gwibber/dead-to-races; cd dead-to-races; ./bin/gwibber
[15:06] <asac> my claim is that it really fixes almost all segfaults that exist ... and most likely also lockups
[15:18] <fta> i'm sick of that systray bug, it's been there for more than a year
[15:19] <asac> you mean clicking doesnt open?
[15:20] <sebner> asac: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/333127
[15:20] <asac> gnomefreak: debian/patches/bz339782_cvs_xptcinvoke_arm_backport_1.13.patch
[15:20] <asac> that one yo need as well
[15:22] <gnomefreak> ya found a bug on tbird-3 problem :)
[15:22] <gnomefreak> asac: for arm build issue?
[15:23] <gnomefreak> ok adding it and will push soon
[15:24] <bluekuja> asac, fast question
[15:24] <bluekuja> asac, I get this libssl.so.0.9.8 => /lib/i686/cmov/libssl.so.0.9.8 (0xb7f17000)
[15:25] <bluekuja> asac, is this a copyright violation?
[15:25] <bluekuja> asac, if package is licensed under gpl?
[15:25] <fta> asac, start gwibber (or liferea), make it visible in workspace 1, go to workspace 2, click on the tray icon, nothing happens (you see the window disappear from the workspace switcher & window selector applets), click again, nothing happens (the app is listed in [] into the window selector applet).
[15:25] <asac> fta: yeah
[15:25] <fta> this is really annoying
[15:26] <gnomefreak> asac: i guess that is from tbird-3? why didnt you add it to tbird-2?
[15:26] <asac> fta: do they use gtk_window_present?
[15:26] <asac> seems so
[15:26] <asac> yeah. i will think about it. have to recap all the background that lead to this
[15:27] <asac> gnomefreak: thats from tbird 2
[15:27] <asac> gnomefreak: we added it there
[15:27] <asac> you didnt look carefully enough on thunderbird.dev branch  ;)
[15:27] <fta> xchat was fine for a long time, but it regressed a few days/weeks ago, it's no longer in the tray :(
[15:28] <asac> gnomefreak: lp:~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird.dev/
[15:28] <gnomefreak> oops i see it now nautilus never updated itself
[15:28] <asac> lol
[15:29] <bluekuja> asac, so?
[15:35] <asac> bluekuja: yes.
[15:35] <asac> there must be an openssl exception in the license
[15:35] <asac> if its using openssl
[15:35] <asac> otherwise it should use gnutls
[15:36] <asac> One recommended way around this GPL incompatibility is to add an OpenSSL exemption when you license your code under the GPL.
[15:36] <asac> http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html
[15:36] <asac> * In addition, as a special exception, the copyright holders give
[15:36] <asac> ...
[15:36] <asac> thats how it works
[15:36] <asac> ok i am on the road for a few hours
[15:36] <asac> cu in 2-3 hours
[15:36] <asac> fta: if you see any crashes of gwibber in the meantime let me know
[15:37] <asac> otherwise ill just commit it i guess
[15:40] <gnomefreak> asac: ok pushed incase im not here when you return
[16:00] <gnomefreak> shit
[16:01] <gnomefreak> added wrong patch to series :(
[16:02] <gnomefreak> ok pushed the fixed version
[16:23] <fta> hm, is ~/Download a chromium thing, or is it gnome?
[16:23] <asac> fta: its xdg ... but we dont use that dir, so its most likely chrom
[16:23] <asac> e.g. we explicitly set Download to point to Desktop
[16:23] <asac> chromiuum shoujld honour xdg configuration
[16:24] <asac>  grep DOWNLO /etc/xdg/*
[16:24] <asac> /etc/xdg/user-dirs.defaults:DOWNLOAD=Desktop
[16:24] <asac> so fi they use xdg config that shouldnt happen
[16:24] <fta> chrome complained about unfixed bug 220765
[16:27] <asac> they use a command line tool?
[16:27] <asac> hmm
[16:27] <asac> fta: any gwiber crash yet ;=?
[16:28] <fta> no, but i'm not touching it
[16:28] <asac> hehe ok
[16:40] <fta> asac, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=15565
[17:23] <micahg> ping asac
[17:25] <asac> micahg: ont he train still
[17:25] <asac> will be home in about 20 minutes
[17:25] <micahg> ah
[17:26] <asac> but go aheade ... currently my connection is ok ;)
[17:26] <asac> in case i dont answer, my connection was probably dropped
[17:27] <micahg> asac: I was wondering if you can check the logs, I had a conversation around 8AM UTC and was wondering if I defended the team appropriately
[17:32] <asac> will check ... have to get off now
[17:32] <asac> cu in a few
[17:34] <micahg> ok
[18:02] <asac> micahg: you did well
[18:02] <asac> micahg: you only kept discussing too long ;)
[18:02] <asac> i think the point that he uses firefox i many scripts is moot
[18:02] <asac> he should use x-www-browser
[18:02] <asac> which is an alternative we maintain
[18:10] <micahg> yeah, I was tired
[18:11] <micahg> when I'm tired I don't know when to stop
[18:11] <asac> heh
[18:11] <asac> well its tempting
[18:11] <asac> but dont feed the trolls ;)
[18:12] <asac> but feel free to discuss as long as you want ;)
[18:12] <asac> usually you dont change a thing though ;)
[18:13] <bluekuja> asac,
[18:13] <bluekuja> upstream should give the exception?
[18:13] <asac> bluekuja: upstream has to add that to the license headers everywhere
[18:13] <asac> and to the COPYING file
[18:13] <bluekuja> asac, which gonna be hard
[18:13] <bluekuja> asac, and what about gnutls?
[18:14] <asac> thats ok
[18:14] <bluekuja> asac, it does the same work?
[18:15] <bluekuja> asac, so I should try to change libssl lib with gnutls package?
[18:15] <asac> bluekuja: it requires patching most likely
[18:15] <asac> gnutls has a compatilbity layer for openssl apps, but usually there is some patching required still
[18:16] <asac> if the upstream source already supports it, then change it
[18:16] <bluekuja> asac, let me change that dep
[18:16] <bluekuja> i build it
[18:16] <bluekuja> and I see if it works
[18:17] <asac> if its supported there is mostlikely a configure switch, like --with-gnutls
[18:17] <asac> or something
[18:17] <bluekuja> package name is libgnutls-dev?
[18:18] <asac> apt-cache search ;)
[18:28] <bluekuja> asac,
[18:28] <bluekuja> I found this on configure
[18:28] <bluekuja> --with-ssl=no           use builtin (Steve Reid's public-domain) SHA-1 code
[18:28] <bluekuja> do you think it will work?
[18:29] <asac> why not
[18:29] <asac> why do you ask me ;)
[18:29] <asac> you are the one sitting in frotn of the code
[18:29] <bluekuja> yeah, let's try
[18:29] <asac> trial and error ... or check the code ,)
[18:29] <bluekuja> I hope it will work
[18:33] <bluekuja> asac, yeah!
[18:33] <bluekuja> asac, it worke
[18:33] <bluekuja> * worked
[18:33] <bluekuja> whew, I saw it bad
[18:48] <micahg> asac: the gtk crashes from karmic, should I have people retry with 2.17.3?
[18:49] <asac> micahg: which gtk crashes? fileselector`
[18:49] <asac> ?
[18:49] <asac> sorry. i currently mostly rely on complains getting through to me
[18:49] <micahg> we have a few bug 396962
[18:50] <micahg> maybe just 1 :)
[18:51] <asac> thats a really old bug i think ;)
[18:52] <asac> yeah thats when theme is changed
[18:52] <asac> after some plugin messed up internal state
[18:52] <asac> we should have a mega bug somewhere for that
[18:52] <asac> with 200 duplicates or something
[18:52] <asac> maybe it was closed or left behind in firefox
[18:52] <asac> i dont think its fixed
[18:53] <micahg> yep, bug 216496
[18:53] <asac> hmm
[18:53] <asac> thats not the one with 200 dupes ;)
[18:54] <micahg> bug 72018
[18:54] <asac> bug 72018
[18:54] <asac> yeah
[18:54] <asac> bug 88011
[18:54] <asac> bug 91054
[18:54] <asac> bug 91334
[18:54]  * micahg kicks ubottu
[18:55] <asac> micahg: try the reproduction instructions in the last bug
[18:56] <micahg> I don't use themes
[18:56] <micahg> and I don't use gnome :)
[18:56]  * asac wonders if its the site is still the same
[18:56] <asac> ah ok
[18:56] <asac> maybe you can just touch ~/.gtkrc ;)
[19:01] <micahg> I can't even get those videos to play right
[19:03] <bluekuja> asac, a DD did a security fix directly into the code of the package
[19:03] <bluekuja> asac, now, I'm replaying changed of that NMU
[19:04] <bluekuja> asac, should I make a patch or I can keep changing source directly?
[19:10] <macvr> asac: where should i look for changing the globe icon in 3.5?
[19:19] <macvr> \o/ found it
[19:25] <asac> bluekuja: depends. if the package has a patchsystem, stick to it
[19:25] <bluekuja> asac, nope
[19:25] <bluekuja> asac, it has not
[19:25] <asac> bluekuja: ensure that the patch has been forwarded upstream
[19:25] <asac> do that if not
[19:26] <asac> otherwise its probably hard to get a good diff later
[19:26] <bluekuja> asac, so you suggest me to make a patch
[19:26] <bluekuja> then
[19:26] <asac> bluekuja: for upstream
[19:26] <asac> for package not unless thats the first change done to code and you prefer a patchstem
[19:26] <asac> its your package
[19:26] <bluekuja> asac, there is a ready patch already for upstream
[19:26] <asac> but forwarding upstream is important
[19:27] <bluekuja> asac, that patch is taken from a cve somewhere, and I guess someone sent it to upstream already
[19:27] <bluekuja> but he didnt fix that yet
[19:27] <bluekuja> asac, anyway I have modified files manually
[19:28] <asac> if you modify them manually document all changes accribically
[19:28] <bluekuja> ok
[19:28] <bluekuja> asac, I gonna add the link to the diff
[19:28] <bluekuja> asac, on the changelog
[19:28] <bluekuja> it was on debian BTS
[19:30] <Paddy_NI> asac: Hey man
[19:30] <Paddy_NI> asac: Thanks for your time earlier and allowing me my first proper use of strace :)
[19:31] <asac> hehe
[19:31] <Paddy_NI> thank gnomefreak for me if you see him also :)
[19:31] <asac> yeah - if i remember then ;)
[19:38] <bluekuja> asac, why when I try to build the package he asks for ctorrent_1.3.4.orig.tar.gz
[19:38] <bluekuja> and not the version I used on the latest changelog entry?
[19:39] <bluekuja> asac, I was sure that it would have read changelog
[19:39] <bluekuja> versioning
[19:40] <bluekuja> asac, at first he asks for that package
[19:40] <bluekuja> and then for the right orig
[19:40] <bluekuja> with correct versionibg
[19:40] <asac> not sure. it never asks me for a package
[19:40] <bluekuja> asac, no orig, i meant
[19:41] <asac> it only checks the orig based on upstream version and Source name
[19:41] <bluekuja> asac, yes, bzr bd asks me ctorrent_1.3.4.orig.tar.gz
[19:41] <bluekuja> which is not right
[19:41] <bluekuja> asac, ctorrent (1.3.4-dnh3.3.2-1) is the right version
[19:43] <bluekuja> asac, and now it says bzr: ERROR: Unable to find the needed upstream tarball: ctorrent_1.3.4.orig.tar.gz.
[19:43] <BUGabundo> bun nuit
[19:43] <BUGabundo> hey asac fta bluekuja
[19:43] <bluekuja> hello
[19:44] <bluekuja> BUGabundo, how are you?
[19:45] <BUGabundo> fine fine
[19:45] <BUGabundo> waiting for PIZZAAAAA
[19:45] <bluekuja> lol
[19:46] <BUGabundo> Friday is always pizza day for me
[19:46] <BUGabundo> I come a LUG and have pizza
[19:46] <BUGabundo> humm
[19:48] <bluekuja> asac, in the end I have to add two orig files
[19:48] <bluekuja> to have it working
[19:48] <bluekuja> asac, then builds great and works great
[19:53] <asac> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gwibber-committers/gwibber/trunk/revision/347
[19:53] <asac> fta: ^^
[19:53] <asac> ;)
[19:54] <fta> asac, you're upstream now? :)
[19:54] <bluekuja> asac, do you have any idea or what can be?
[19:54] <bluekuja> asac, changelog revision is right
[19:54] <bluekuja> but bzr bd asks for another package
[19:54] <asac> fta: for some reason i had commit access yeah ;)
[19:54] <bluekuja> * orig
[19:55] <bluekuja> before buildin
[19:55] <asac> bluekuja: i am sure your changelog revision is wrong ;)
[19:55] <bluekuja> asac, can you branch them out and see?
[19:55] <asac> or your tarball revision is wrong ;)
[19:55] <BUGabundo> asac: gwibber changes?!?
[19:55] <asac> no ... paste changelog
[19:55] <bluekuja> k
[19:55] <asac> BUGabundo: yeah. i fixed all segfaults ;)
[19:55] <BUGabundo> ALL !?!?
[19:56] <asac> at least ;)
[19:56] <BUGabundo> I'll bet this week EuroMilhoes!
[19:56] <asac> i would say 99$% of it ;)
[19:56] <BUGabundo> on that !! ahaah
[19:56] <bluekuja> asac, http://paste.debian.net/41563/
[19:57] <asac> yeah. version is ambigious
[19:57] <asac> ambiguous
[19:57] <asac> think about it
[19:57] <asac> there are two ways you could identify an upstream version
[19:58] <bluekuja> asac, that way won't work?
[19:58] <bluekuja> : /
[19:58] <bluekuja> I noticed that version is not really normal
[19:59] <asac> never use - in upstream versions
[19:59] <asac> well you can use it, but dont complain if high level tools trap into it ;)
[19:59] <jcastro> asac: you have ppa upload rights to gwibber too if you want to push new builds out
[20:00] <bluekuja> so it should be 1.3.4dnh3.3.2-1
[20:00] <bluekuja> ?
[20:00] <asac> jcastro: nah. daily will catch this soon enough
[20:00] <asac> jcastro: and i will upload to karmic anyway
[20:00] <BUGabundo> fta: I'll be waiting for you to kick the gwibber bot
[20:00]  * asac runs karmic to ensure that there is a good user experience ;)
[20:00] <asac> jcastro: do i need special group membership for the PPA?
[20:00] <asac> (just curious)
[20:00] <fta> BUGabundo, done
[20:00] <jcastro> no, I don't think so
[20:00] <bluekuja> asac, should it be 1.3.4dnh3.3.2-1 then?
[20:00] <jcastro> anyone who can commit to trunk can push to the ppa
[20:00] <BUGabundo> fta: nice! I'll upgrade after dinner
[20:00] <bluekuja> asac, and if yes, am I allowed to change that at this time?
[20:01] <asac> bluekuja: no... dont just scratch it ...replace it with some incremental deliminator
[20:01] <fta> BUGabundo, don't hold your breath on that, the builders are busy
[20:01] <bluekuja> asac, example?
[20:01] <asac> jcastro: yeah. thats what i thought
[20:01] <asac> jcastro: if you still see the crashes let me know
[20:01] <asac> jcastro: but i fixed a really nasty bug
[20:01] <asac> that will probably be really 99% of segfaults (not python crashes)
[20:02] <fta> 35/46/23 with 8/9/9 builders
[20:02] <asac> yeah that looks good
[20:02] <bluekuja> asac, example of what you mean?
[20:03] <asac> +.
[20:03] <BUGabundo> fta: guess ill branch the code then
[20:03] <bluekuja> asac, 1.3.4-dnh3.3+2-1?
[20:03] <asac> think twice
[20:03] <bluekuja> asac, or 1.3.4.dnh3.3.2-1
[20:03] <fta> BUGabundo, i just said it will take one hour or two
[20:03] <asac> 20:59 < asac> never use - in upstream versions
[20:04] <bluekuja> asac, yeah ok it's 1.3.4.dnh3.3.2-1
[20:04] <bluekuja> then
[20:04] <asac> you upstream version is 1.3.4-dnh3.3.2 btw
[20:04] <asac> yes
[20:04] <BUGabundo> fta: I know I can't hold 2h
[20:04] <asac> then the upstream version is 1.3.4.dnh3.3.2
[20:04] <bluekuja> asac, can I change it at this time?
[20:04] <asac> but i would use a  +
[20:04] <bluekuja> asac, I mean old entries got the -
[20:04] <asac> not a .
[20:05] <bluekuja> asac, is it a problem if I use a + now instead of -?
[20:05] <bluekuja> asac, old entries got all -
[20:05] <asac> no clue ... you need to use dpkg --compare-version to test that
[20:05] <asac> i really dont get your problem. i mean your version was 1.3.4-dnh3.3.2
[20:05] <asac> so thats ugly in itself
[20:06] <asac> bzr bd thinks its 1.3.4?
[20:06] <bluekuja> asac,  yes
[20:06] <BUGabundo> OT: was anyone done an whois on microsoft.com ? ROFL
[20:06] <asac> then file a bug against bzr-builddeb
[20:06] <asac> and then move to +
[20:06] <bluekuja> asac, my problem was related to old entries
[20:06] <asac> check it with dpkg --compare-version
[20:06] <asac> s
[20:06] <bluekuja> asac, old entries had -
[20:06] <bluekuja> asac, can I now change the latest with +?
[20:07] <asac> 21:06 < asac> check it with dpkg --compare-version
[20:07] <asac> 21:06 < asac> s
[20:07] <bluekuja> ah ok
[20:08] <bluekuja> let me see
[20:08] <fta> bluekuja, asac: no offense but this is off-topic, could you please move to -motu?
[20:08] <bluekuja> asac, u were right
[20:08] <asac> fta: ack ;)
[20:09] <fta> thanks
[20:09] <bluekuja> fta, there are no mozilla topic discussion here yet
[20:09] <bluekuja> so what's the problem?
[20:09] <fta> so i won't blip every few seconds for hours
[20:09] <asac> he follows discussion here and looks
[20:09] <BUGabundo> ahahahaahaahahha
[20:09] <bluekuja> lol
[20:09] <asac> its really better in -motu
[20:09] <asac> also others can help there
[20:14] <BUGabundo> ok PIZZA time! back in 30
[21:13] <fta> asac, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=16442
[21:15] <asac> pfft
[21:15] <asac> thats ignorance ;)
[21:23] <asac> well. we shjould raise it on mailing list ,)
[21:23]  * asac just reenabled his google account
[21:25] <BUGabundo> LOLOLL
 fta: I didn't make the decision
 fta: bringing it up on chromium dev is a more effective way to make policy changes than filing a bug is
 fta: fyi, that's related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-user-dirs/+bug/204567
 fta: IMO Ubuntu is being stupid, every other distro set their download dir to ~/Downloads
[21:29] <BUGabundo> humm those again?
[21:30] <BUGabundo> what is this  ? papercut work ?
[21:30] <fta> chromium work
[21:39] <fta> http://www.google.com/codesearch/p?hl=en&sa=N&cd=1&ct=rc#h0RrPvyPu-c/chrome/common/chrome_paths_linux.cc&q=GetUserDownloadsDirectory&exact_package=http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src&l=82
[21:40] <fta> easy to revert
[21:52] <BUGabundo> asac: may I kill you now???
[21:52] <BUGabundo> darn firefox segfaults ALL THE DARN TIME
[21:52] <BUGabundo> got a very easy to reproduce trace
[21:52] <BUGabundo> I have to start in safe mode and then with --sync for it to work
[21:52] <BUGabundo> and that takes me 3 or 4 attemps
[21:53] <BUGabundo> :((
[21:53] <micahg> hi BUGabundo
[21:53] <BUGabundo> hey micahg
[21:53] <micahg> did you try the new GTK libs?
[21:53] <BUGabundo> not sure
[21:53] <BUGabundo> are they built yet?
[21:53] <BUGabundo> I just upgraded
[21:54] <micahg> looks like  it
[21:54] <micahg> 2.17.3
[21:54] <BUGabundo> Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap.
[21:54] <BUGabundo> 0x00007ffff21dd8b0 in g_logv () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[22:12] <asac> BUGabundo: i think compiz is enouogh
[22:12] <BUGabundo> I want it fixed!
[22:12] <asac> i dont know why i get so few people complaining
[22:12] <BUGabundo> you are fixing gwibber crashs and leaving FF down :(
[22:12] <asac> hehe
[22:12] <asac> yeah
[22:12] <BUGabundo> no one uses 3.6 daily
[22:12] <BUGabundo> just the crazy me
[22:12] <BUGabundo> and fta
[22:12] <asac> i think the problem is i have no idea whats really going on with this BadIdChoice
[22:12] <asac> BUGabundo: do you get it at all?
[22:13] <fta> firefox-3.6                        990   0.09%        63     314     613       0
[22:13] <fta> firefox-3.5                      13211   1.14%      1774    2771    8653      13
[22:13] <asac> BUGabundo: i used 3.6 all the time, but i now use 3.5 because i feel responsible on actually using what we want to stabilize
[22:13] <BUGabundo> 63 users?
[22:13] <BUGabundo> I understand asac
[22:13] <fta> firefox-3.0                     676796  58.59%     82242  514251   80258      45
[22:14] <micahg> fta: where do you get those numbers from?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> popcon
[22:14] <asac> popcon
[22:14] <asac> !popcon
[22:14] <asac> hehe
[22:14] <asac> bot is my friend today
[22:14] <BUGabundo> :)
[22:14] <asac> i am not sure anyone really understands what those numbers mean ;)
[22:15] <asac> are those total submissions? does my system submit all the time?
[22:15] <micahg> yeah, bot is my friend too, I've gotten tired of explaining what shiretoko is
[22:15] <asac> do they age? get removed?
[22:15] <fta> firefox                        1070719  92.69%      6838  450085    1300  612496
[22:15] <fta> firefox-2                        37292   3.23%      3805   33350     119      18
[22:17] <asac> that means that 38% of the submissions come from users < hardy
[22:17] <asac> at least
[22:17] <micahg> asac: why?
[22:17] <asac> because firefox has a hard depend on firefox-3.0 since then
[22:18] <asac> before it was the main package
[22:18] <asac> eh its even ~28%
[22:19] <micahg> well, depends if the stats are aggregate or not
[22:19] <fta> thunderbird                     290836  25.18%     24350  235560   30868      58
[22:19] <fta> mozilla-thunderbird             167803  14.53%       214   48856       8  118725
[22:19] <fta> thunderbird-3.0                    799   0.07%        71     506     221       1
[22:20] <fta> iceweasel                          361   0.03%        17     340       4       0
[22:20] <fta> icedove                             74   0.01%         3      67       4       0
[22:20] <fta> lol
[22:20] <asac> heh
[22:20] <asac> icedove is probably me and gnomefreak ;)
[22:21] <fta> chromium-browser                  7179   0.62%       460    2939    3779       1
[22:21] <fta> google-chrome-unstable            4694   0.41%       875     318    3493       8
[22:21] <fta> cxchromium                        3879   0.34%       253    3463      91      72
[22:21] <fta> prism                            26492   2.29%      1568   23643    1274       7
[22:21] <fta> fennec                             309   0.03%        26     231      52       0
[22:22] <fta> gwibber                           3688   0.32%       217    2645     825       1
[22:22] <fta> songbird                         22311   1.93%       535   20083    1518     175
[22:22] <BUGabundo>  8528 654728    154        843K 957.4M 238.9M 957.4M 238.9M   6% pidgin
[22:22] <BUGabundo> 12940 374173     80         82K 800.0M 210.3M 800.0M 210.3M   5% firefox-3.6
[22:22] <BUGabundo> 13315 169283      0       2106K 639.3M 155.1M 639.3M 155.1M   4% gwibber
[22:22] <BUGabundo>  8685 919681     42       2444K 578.7M 119.3M 578.7M 119.3M   3% gnome-do
[22:22] <fta> (but this is probably not my package)
[22:22] <asac> yeah. this shows how hard it is to get installs out of the archive
[22:22] <asac> i mean songbird is probably a better brand than prism ;)
[22:22] <asac> still less folks have submissions
[22:22] <BUGabundo> fta: did it cross the red line yet?
[22:22] <fta> it's the upstream deb
[22:23] <asac> or isnt the upstream build called sonbird
[22:23] <asac> ?
[22:24] <fta> my guess is that the songbird figure is the upstream deb, not mine
[22:25] <fta> but it's hard to know, popcon has no notion of version, or origin
[22:25] <asac> fta: right i assumed that
[22:26] <asac> i just say that it shows pretty well that in-archive helps a lot to get installs
[22:26] <asac> e.g. prism > songbird
[22:26] <asac> even though songbird is probably a stronger brand
[22:26] <fta> yes
[22:26] <BUGabundo> fta: file a bug ?
[22:26] <BUGabundo> fta: did chrome cross the red line yet?
[22:26] <fta> BUGabundo, it's a "security feature"
[22:27] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhh
[22:27] <fta> eheh
[22:28] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/chromium-ubuntu2.png
[22:29] <BUGabundo> so you lost your predition?
[22:29] <BUGabundo> chromium is still growing
[22:29] <BUGabundo> while chrome is getting stabler
[22:30] <fta> yes
[22:35] <BUGabundo> asac: may I kill you a second time? gwibber not starting after upgrades :((
[22:35] <asac> BUGabundo: wfm
[22:35] <fta> debian 505352
[22:36] <BUGabundo> Traceback (most recent call last):
[22:36] <BUGabundo>   File "/usr/bin/gwibber", line 55, in <module>
[22:36] <BUGabundo>     from gwibber.client import GwibberClient
[22:36] <BUGabundo> ImportError: No module named gwibber.client
[22:36] <asac> ii  gwibber                   1.2.0~bzr347-0ubuntu1~dai
[22:36] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 1.2.0~bzr347-0ubuntu1~daily1
[22:36] <asac> BUGabundo: sounds like a bad package for you
[22:36] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:36]  * BUGabundo points guns at fta
[22:36] <fta> retry
[22:36] <asac> BUGabundo: maybe you are not running the real package gwibber command?
[22:36] <asac> or you tried while it was upgrading?
[22:36]  * BUGabundo reload reload
[22:36]  * BUGabundo points guns at fta
[22:36]  * fta blames python
[22:37] <BUGabundo> asac: what *real* package?
[22:37] <BUGabundo> I only have one
[22:37] <asac> maybe you have installed two? ;)
[22:37] <asac> or a bzr checkout which you are calling directly ,)
[22:37] <asac> i dont know
[22:37] <BUGabundo>   File "/usr/bin/gwibber", line 55, in <module>
[22:37] <BUGabundo> I did not bzr checkout
[22:37] <asac> so does it work now?
[22:37] <BUGabundo> no
[22:38] <BUGabundo> it crashed and did not start again
[22:38] <asac> works like a charm here
[22:38] <asac> you are probably contaminated by some other bustage ;)
[22:38] <BUGabundo> let me purge and try again
[22:38] <asac> "major python breakage on local system alert"
[22:38] <asac>  :)
[22:39] <asac> fta: does the package work for you?
[22:39] <asac> i picked and dpkg -i it ;)
[22:40] <asac> but my system Need to get 753MB of archives.
[22:40] <asac> also a o3d-plugin update
[22:40] <asac> which i should probably remove due to lack of GPU horsepowers
[22:41] <BUGabundo> The following partially installed packages will be configured:
[22:41] <BUGabundo>   libpam-gnome-keyring
[22:41] <BUGabundo> damn breakage
[22:41] <fta> http://blog.digg.com/?p=878
[22:42] <fta> 35 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[22:42] <fta> Need to get 355MB of archives.
[22:49] <bluekuja> asac, is your debian system ready? lol
[22:50] <asac> nope
[22:51] <bluekuja> damn : /
[22:51] <asac> soon enough. get your stuff ready ;)
[22:51] <asac> thought you wanted 4 updates ... only one i have seen so far as finished :)
[22:51] <bluekuja> yeah
[22:51] <bluekuja> I finished gnome-bt today
[22:51] <bluekuja> and got uploaded
[22:51] <bluekuja> now ctorrent is ready
[22:51] <bluekuja> and next package is cgmail
[22:52] <bluekuja> asac, I just need to know if I have to change the versioning as you told me or not
[22:52] <bluekuja> asac, depends from what you will tell me after review
[22:53] <asac> just do what you feel is appropriate
[22:53] <bluekuja> k
[22:59] <bluekuja> asac, you're a pro
[22:59] <bluekuja> asac, with + it works
[22:59] <bluekuja> asac, it doesnt ask for two orig
[23:00] <asac> ;)
[23:00] <bluekuja> updating my branch
[23:01] <BUGabundo> do you guys think this is safe to isntall?
[23:01] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~c-korn/+archive/vlc
[23:01] <BUGabundo> its the semi official ppa for VLC
[23:01] <BUGabundo> but only has jaunty
[23:02] <micahg> BUGabundo: karmic has to come from debian
[23:02] <BUGabundo> duh
[23:02] <micahg> AFAIK
[23:03] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy vlc  Installed: 1.0.0~rc2-1ubuntu1
[23:03] <micahg> he probably figured it wasn't worth his time to add karmic
[23:03] <BUGabundo> this is karmic version
[23:03] <micahg> right now
[23:03] <BUGabundo> I would like to have the final one eheh
[23:04] <micahg> BUGabundo: bug 396548
[23:06]  * BUGabundo darn LP timeouts
[23:07] <fta> asac, http://codereview.chromium.org/155100/patch/62/1042
[23:09] <asac> the patch doesnt include the xdg-settings utility code
[23:14] <fta> it does
[23:15] <fta> http://codereview.chromium.org/155100
[23:15] <fta> $ ./xdg-settings get default-web-browser
[23:15] <fta> xdg-settings: unknown desktop environment
[23:16] <fta> so it doesn't know how to read my gnome preferred browser
[23:19] <BUGabundo> Greasemonkey getFirebugConsole() error:
[23:19] <BUGabundo> (new TypeError("chromeWin.Firebug is undefined", "file:///usr/lib/firefox-3.6a1pre/extensions/%7Be4a8a97b-f2ed-450b-b12d-ee082ba24781%7D/components/greasemonkey.js", 392))
[23:19] <BUGabundo> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[23:20] <micahg> BUGabundo: is Firebug compatible with 3.6>
[23:20] <BUGabundo> not sure
[23:20] <asac> unlikely
[23:20] <bluekuja> asac, let me finish all my packages stuff and then I can start with mozilla things u told me
[23:21] <asac> yeah. no hurry. next week there will be more days ;)
[23:21] <bluekuja> yeah
[23:21] <bluekuja> I'm on holiday now, so lot of free time
[23:21] <bluekuja> :)
[23:25] <asac> ok ... removed my search for "chrome" on twitter/identi.ca
[23:25] <asac> too much crap noise going on there ;)
[23:25] <asac> Ill stick with just Hamburg and Ubuntu ;)
[23:26] <asac> BUGabundo: so does your gwibber finally boot? :-P
[23:27] <fta> mine is ok
[23:27] <BUGabundo> not sure
[23:27] <BUGabundo> what changed ehehe!
[23:28] <fta> nothing
[23:28] <BUGabundo> purging helped
[23:28] <BUGabundo> its stating
[23:41] <asac> fta: builders are idle ... go for it ;)
[23:41] <BUGabundo> aahah
[23:41] <asac> 0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0
[23:41] <fta> what for?
[23:41] <BUGabundo> eheeh
[23:42] <asac> i dont know ;)
[23:42] <asac> invent something