=== asac_ is now known as asac [00:01] good [00:05] fta: and it even opens pages :) [00:06] BUGabundo, for me, it's really looking good, gtk theme, flash plugin, video, etc.. [00:07] just need an adblock and it's usable enough for me [00:07] flash? [00:07] I read about it yesterday [00:08] fta: you using addons? [00:08] I though you were the guy who didn't use any [00:09] BUGabundo, no, not me. I have 28 addons installed, 11 active [00:09] really? [00:10] yes, why? [00:12] abp, chrome list (useless), dom inspector (useless), download statusbar, firebug, rikaichan + 2 dicts, jsview, nightly tester, tab counter and web developer [00:14] fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/214000/ [00:14] and that's because asac FORCED me to drop soooo many [00:17] micahg: i used the contact form on calendar.live.com and complained [00:17] more we cant do imo [00:18] asac__ I agree, what to do with the bug? [00:19] also sent to bing [00:19] leave it alone ;) [00:20] ok [00:20] * micahg has been trying to stay on top of the ff3.5 bugs so it doesn't become like ff3.0 [00:20] heh [00:20] honours goal. really [00:21] honorous [00:21] it will be fun when we make it default ;) [00:21] indeed [00:22] micahg: what bug id was it? [00:22] bug 397211 [00:22] Launchpad bug 397211 in firefox-3.5 "Shiretoko user agent string breaks compatibilty with major websites" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397211 === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [00:41] asac: did you see gnomefreak [00:41] 's suggestion about ubufox for kde [00:41] Mark has twitter ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/397297 [00:41] Ubuntu bug 397297 in gwibber "Gwibber won't take a long password" [Undecided,Fix committed] [00:44] micahg: well. kubufox might make sense at some point - though currently ubufox itself is desktop agnostic, but to fix the problem of all the depends getting pulled in, its bug 293533 [00:44] Launchpad bug 293533 in apturl "Better KDE (non-gnome) support for apturl (Was: shouldnt hard depend on synaptic (KDE))" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/293533 [00:44] ubufox needs apturl, that one pulls in all gnome stuff [00:44] BUGabundo, good, maybe he'll assign someone to look for all the bugs ;) [00:45] ah, so if apturl is agnostic, then ubufox would be as well [00:46] fta: ehe he has a >49 char pass LOLOL [00:46] I think he was trying to make a dent/twit in the wrong box [00:51] iirc, you can't even use ! in passwords [00:51] you can't even sent \o/ in a dent [00:51] sned [00:51] grr [00:52] sure you can [00:53] (12:52:56 AM) IM: see " @fta: you can't even sent \o/ in a dent" [00:53] (12:53:02 AM) update@identi.ca: bugabundo: see @fta: you cant even sent \o/ in a dent [00:53] i can't [00:53] gwibber:read/1 [00:53] oops [00:54] i get o/ unless i send \\o/ [00:54] http://identi.ca/notice/6256964 [00:54] I see it there [00:54] gwibber? [00:54] I see it fine [00:54] all forms [00:54] gwibber, xmpp, web [00:55] bug 353705 [00:55] Launchpad bug 353705 in gwibber "gwibber fails to correctly dent purposefully escaped characters" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/353705 [00:55] fixed? [00:56] WFM [00:56] try pinging me [00:56] hm, seems ok now [00:57] but i nearly gave up on gwibber, too many crashes/freezes [00:57] it just restarted for me 4 times [00:57] while I've been online tonight [00:57] I said it before: I run it with $ watch -n10 gwibber [00:57] even have an alias [00:58] wgwibber [00:58] fta: your dent looks good [01:02] fta: did you ever try to get a reasonable backtrace on gwibber? [01:02] i wonder if its webkit crashes [01:02] asac: if I knew how to debug python and upstream looked at bug [01:02] otherwise the python must be really dirty ;) [01:02] *bugs [01:02] bug 389505 [01:02] Launchpad bug 389505 in gwibber "gwibber crashes in pango @pango_layout_check_lines" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389505 [01:02] I would file way too many more [01:02] I've stopped 'cause it was usselless [01:02] bug 380618 [01:02] Launchpad bug 380618 in gwibber "gwibber (new theming engine) pango segmentation fault @pango_layout_get_iter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380618 [01:03] yeah most bugs are pango [01:04] I've increased gwibber cache too 100 dents WOOT [01:04] I now can go back 2h [01:05] hmm cant repro [01:05] or 5 days on replies eheh [01:05] what does "text scroll" mean? [01:06] fta: how long to wait? [01:06] one reload? [01:07] ** (gwibber:19904): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'WnckWindowState' as flags when in fact it is of type 'GEnum' [01:07] ** (gwibber:19904): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'WnckWindowActions' as flags when in fact it is of type 'GEnum' [01:07] ** (gwibber:19904): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'WnckWindowMoveResizeMask' as flags when in fact it is of type 'GEnum [01:07] /usr/bin/gwibber:79: PangoWarning: pango_layout_line_unref: assertion `private->ref_count > 0' failed [01:07] gtk.main() [01:07] Bus error (core dumped) [01:07] asac, type more than the window width, and wait [01:18] fta: stay at the end of line with cursor? [01:18] yay ;) [01:18] now it happened [01:19] * asac a bit scared about gwibber threading approach [01:19] they have a process: function running in a thread [01:19] and do something in a critical block [01:20] something else they schedule on the main loop [01:20] something else they do outside the critical block [01:20] modifying an array most likely accessed by UI thread [01:21] all the stuff that is done there, except the data retrievel most likely should go into the idle handler [01:21] asac: is it worth pointing out to people that they are running dailies when submitting bugs? [01:22] micahg: depends [01:22] micahg: dailies are actually good [01:22] if they see some regression we should notify upstream rather quickly [01:22] if is random noise [01:22] then it doesnt matter either i guess ;) [01:23] ok, I was thinking people might have stuck with dailies instead of jumping off after the official release [01:24] micahg: well. if they wanted dailies before, then they proably dont have a problem with dailies after the stable rlease [01:24] the dailies become less risky after major release is out [01:24] e.g. 3.5 upstream branch is now governed by stable branch policies [01:25] ok, I'll let it go then [01:40] * BUGabundo $ date; $ echo bedtime; $ aptitude why bed; $ echo guud pillow :p [01:41] fta: checkout lp:~asac/gwibber/dead-to-races [01:41] * BUGabundo hopes tommorow asac has guud gwibber news :) [01:57] is anyone running the 3.5.1pre dailies? [01:57] i was until i encountered the focus-grabbing issues [01:57] hmm [01:58] I wanted someone to test something that works for me on the stable version [01:58] should I just ask the user to try the stable version to see if it works? [05:49] !msgthebot > micahg [05:49] micahg, please see my private message [06:38] asac, fta ping? [06:38] (or anyone who can upload thunderbird?) [09:03] will ff 3.5 ever become "firefox" in jaunty? [09:05] !ff35 | mahfouz [09:05] mahfouz: Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 | FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko on your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for an explanation | Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY [09:05] yeah, but I want it as default browser [09:05] i mean it's more than a security update, but so were 3.0.8, 3.0.9 and so on [09:06] we don't change the default in a stable release [09:07] you changed 3.0.10 to 3.0.11 [09:07] that's a security update [09:07] as i said above, it's not JUST a security update [09:07] this is a version upgrade [09:07] that is the main purpose [09:08] occasionally a fix will be backported to the current branch from teh devel brance [09:08] but they are intended as major bugfix and security fix releases [09:09] FF3.5 is totally new functionality [09:09] and not all the other mozilla items in teh repos are compatible [09:09] therefore, it would not make sense to give it as an update [09:11] mahfouz: please reference this document: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [09:12] citizen, be paranoid [09:12] that's the spirit [09:12] huh? [09:12] from your url [09:12] I do not understand [09:13] i just quoted from your link [09:13] that's all [09:13] ah yes [09:13] what I am saying is that it's still 4 months to karmic and if ff 3.5 is tested and stable in the next weeks, then more and more users will want it as firefox in the repos [09:14] I for example have many scripts that use "firefox" and it would be a hassle to rewrite them all [09:14] that doesn [09:14] and to have 2 default browsers on your desktop [09:14] no one is asking people to upgrade to 3.5 at this point [09:14] but it's there if people want to use it [09:15] ff3.5 is stable currently [09:15] but that's not the issue [09:15] the issue is we don't change app versions in a stable release unless the criteria on that wiki page are met [09:16] well, I understand your reasoning but there will be many people asking for an official browser upgrade in the weeks and months before karmic release [09:17] it won't happen in Ubuntu [09:17] it just doesn't work like that [09:17] Stable release means all the components have been tested together [09:17] we do not have the resources to do a full test like that on Firefox 3.5 [09:18] and work on karmic [09:18] that's why the rules are so strict on stable releases [09:18] otherwise, the os would be unreliable [09:18] FF3.0 will continue to recevie security fixes for the foreseeable future [09:19] ff3.5 will be the default in karmic [09:19] ff3.5 in jaunty was a courtest [09:19] courtesy [09:19] if it's a courtesy why can't the courtesy include a backport that has the right logo and replaces firefox-3.0 [09:19] for those who want it [09:20] yo! supporter to my cause! [09:20] Lantizia: when someone does a favor for you, do you throw it back in their face and say this is not good enough? [09:20] micahg: i might [09:20] I didn't switch from debian to ubuntu for my desktop for "ultra high and mighty stability rules" [09:20] I swapped because you've got the latest and greatest [09:20] This would seem to go against that [09:21] yeah, give us the your huddled crashes! [09:21] Lantizia: you drove him out of the channel :) [09:21] lol [09:21] sorry [09:21] got disconnected === micahg1 is now known as micahg [09:22] btw Lantizia, there is a daily build repo for mozilla but I dunno if this would update your "firefox" package [09:22] mahfouz, it's no different to the one in main [09:22] well, the daily is the preview of 3.5.1 [09:23] no I wasn't on about the daily, I was on about the security [09:24] I have SNS syndrome and I have it bad, this is why I'm trying Ubuntu again (last time was version 5 and 6) [09:24] SNS? [09:24] Shiny New Shit [09:24] yeah [09:24] in a sense you should upgrade to 3.5 because it also improves security if I understand mozilla correctly [09:24] so, FF3.5 works just fine [09:25] mahfouz: no, it's a separate branch with its own security concerns [09:25] I get that firefox-3.5 _should not_ auto-update firefox_3.0 package [09:25] I don't get (at all) why on earth theres a need to add the version to the package name [09:25] But I do think if you add a backport repo that has firefox_3.5 it should upgrade and replace firefox 3.0 [09:25] so we could have multiple versions (i.e. 3.5 in Jaunty) [09:26] micahg, But why bother when firefox 3.5 is stable!? [09:26] Lantizia: ff3.5 in Jaunty is not a backport [09:26] i actually support Lantizia's idea, that would give everybody what they wanted [09:26] micahg, if you want to test both because one is in beta then call the package shirako [09:26] micahg: exactly [09:26] Jaunty shipped with 2 versions of Firefox [09:26] Jaunty keeps 2 versions of Firefox [09:26] well it's not so outrageous that a backport has a newer version [09:27] versions _DON'T belong_ in package names... ever! [09:27] Lantizia: that makes upgrades confusing [09:27] Lantizia: if you support multiple versions they do [09:27] but firefox has different versions in edgy hardy etc [09:28] Lantizia: are you familiar with gcc? [09:28] yeah thats different tho [09:28] Lantizia: why? [09:28] because it's a matter of compatibility, a fundamental package others really do depend on [09:28] firefox is just an app [09:28] mysql? [09:28] and postgresql? :D [09:29] does my head in the number of versions postgres has in the repo's [09:29] the point is, it's a necessary evil if you want to support multiple versions [09:29] well mozilla give them other names! codenames! use them! [09:29] maybe I should just suggest that we only ship one version of firefox per release inthe future to avoid this [09:29] firefox _doesn't_ keep TWO versions of firefox stable at the same time [09:29] then everyone would have to wait until the next release to even get it [09:29] when they're done with one, they're done with it [09:30] Lantizia: yes, they do [09:30] so why have two packages maintained! [09:30] until it [09:30] 's EOL [09:30] but you could have a repo in which "firefox" is a metapackage that refers to ff 3.5, right? [09:30] mahfouz: that will be in karmic [09:30] not yet [09:30] I'd only see a point in that if firefox3.5 had the right logos [09:30] or is it? [09:30] I believe [09:30] I got tired of seeing Iceweasel [09:30] no, not yet [09:30] now I've got a stupid globe [09:31] ff in karmic is still 3.0 [09:31] It's 3:30 am for me [09:31] http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/firefox [09:31] it's 9:30am here :) [09:31] and I'm at work, yay for IRC! [09:31] it's 10:30 here :) [09:31] germany? [09:31] yo [09:31] :D [09:31] british or port? [09:31] need to learn me some german, theres so many of you on the net! :D [09:31] british old chap [09:32] Here's the spec for the Karmic firefox conversion [09:32] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5 [09:32] I ahve to go to sleep [09:32] right well I'm taking your firefox 3.5 package, putting the right logos on it and putting it in a repo of my own on PPA! [09:32] and calling it "shock horror" .... firefox [09:33] Lantizia: Mozilla has rules for using their branding [09:33] oh and they can argue it's not the finished product can they? [09:33] if you want to worry about all that, I cannot advise you [09:33] call it "the rocky horror firefox" [09:34] I cannot advise such things [09:36] good night [09:36] bye [09:42] hi all... I'm using ff3.5 in Jaunty from the universe repo , how do i solve this weird fonts problem? http://imagebin.ca/view/VmKFcSp.html [09:42] it does not happen with FF3 [09:43] asac: ^ any ideas , about what i'm doing wrong? [09:50] * asac looks [09:51] macvr: not sure whats the problem is (my eyes are really bad for fonts) [09:52] the fonts are not rendered properly... just sec ... i'll show same image from ff3 [09:54] asac: http://imagebin.ca/view/t8Gvcy.html this is in FF3 [09:55] i have the same problems even when i use swiftfox, [FF3.5] [10:01] anyone else having the same problem? [10:15] macvr: i dont see a problem ;) [10:15] but thats my eyes i guess [10:16] is it different hinting? [10:16] yes... the fonts are not smooth [10:17] asac: this problem is obvious since the rest of the fonts in the system are rendered well [10:24] macvr: what hinting have you set system wide? [10:24] asac: just a sec... i'm making a better screnshot [10:24] macvr: i dont want a sreenshot [10:25] macvr: what hinting are you having set in gnome preference dialog? [10:25] full? [10:25] asac: i have superimposed the ff3 image >http://imagebin.ca/view/ZiAczB.html [10:25] yup...hinting is full [10:26] ok change to hinting slight [10:26] does that match what you see in firefox? [10:27] asac: whe i set, hinting to none and smoothing to grey scale , it matches the FF3.5 [10:27] when^ [10:33] hm [10:34] thats not what i can confirm [10:34] its usually whatever you have configured in your fontconfig [10:34] ignoring gnome settings [10:34] we ship slight by default [10:34] maybe you tweaked them once manually [10:34] anyway. i think its known [10:34] what about Hinting? [10:34] bug 379761 [10:34] Launchpad bug 379761 in firefox-3.5 "FF 3.5 font hinting wrong in content area" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/379761 [10:36] ah... i just couldnt find anywhere else about this problem... thats for the bug :) [10:49] morning [10:52] hi gnomefreak [10:55] asac: do you know of a setting in Tbird-3 to enable the list of people who commented on email or is this an upstream feature/bug? Handy to know before i ask Mozilla about it. [10:56] gnomefreak: "enable the list of people who commented on email" [10:56] what does that mean? [10:57] (i dont understand the feature request) [10:58] asac: in tbird-3 looking at your inbox it used to list the senders name after the title. no longer does this [10:59] i cant find a setting in advanced menu for it [11:00] * gnomefreak also has ideas you are not going to like with ubufox, i will wait to bring them up ;) [11:02] i guess xulrunner-1.9.1 is not the same in Debian as it is in Ubuntu [11:02] asac: thans a lot for the bug , editing the .fonts.conf solved the font problem [11:08] thatnks for the bug fix or thanks for the work-around might have been a better way to say that. thanks for the bug sounds like he introduced a bug [11:09] macvr: thx [11:10] gnomefreak: he gave me the bug number... ;p [11:10] oh :) [11:12] hehe [11:12] all fine [11:12] i knew the context at lesat ;) [11:24] !realplayer [11:24] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [11:25] i dont get it, i thought realplayer wasnt in repos [11:26] asac: how is the progress of mozilla-devscripts for Debian? [11:41] bdrung_: is in NEW [11:41] http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html [11:41] asac: cool [11:41] yesterday one of my packages waiting in NEW was accepted. [11:41] heh [11:41] sounds good [11:44] some days ago there were about 270 packages in NEW [11:50] are greasemonkey scripts only perl or does it take other scripts like python? [12:03] I'm having a hard time compiling firefox from source, which is kind of essential to contribute :p I bzr branch to get the code and debuild to get a deb, but it failes with [12:03] 3 out of 3 hunks ignored [12:03] Patch firefox-profilename does not apply (enforce with -f) [12:03] make: *** [debian/stamp-patched] Error 1 [12:04] ramvi1: maybe bzr-builddeb would help or you may need to edit patch (not here atm) [12:08] ramvi1: 3.0.11 and 3.5 both have working patches. Did you update branch using latest 3.0.11 branch (or use the repo version) [12:09] gnomefreak: Right, ok, so bzr branch lp:firefox, then bzr-buildpackage ? I seem to get errors then too. Isn't it weird that I have to edit the scripts? [12:09] i dont remember the contents of that patch off hand [12:09] I'm trying to build 3.5 [12:09] So that's like just Branch lp:firefox [12:09] ramvi1: you shouldnt have to since 3.5 in repos builds just fine (assuming you didnt change branding [12:10] s/ /) [12:10] right, I didn't change anything. That's what's weird [12:11] so there's no secret? You just bzr get the code and debuild it? [12:11] ramvi1: i know my seamonkey-2.0 build i have to update patch. Quilt should beable to fix it for you [12:11] ramvi1: should work or even apt-get source firefox-3.5 and build than push to your branch [12:12] apt-get source gives me beta4 [12:12] mozilla team branch should be without problems but that is same as the version pushed to official repos [12:12] ramvi1: what ubuntu version? [12:13] I'm running jaunty [12:13] !info firefox-3.5 jaunty [12:13] firefox-3.5 (source: firefox-3.5): safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.1 (jaunty), package size 907 kB, installed size 3524 kB [12:13] ramvi1: its final release in jaunty [12:13] ramvi1: name will still be shireoko [12:14] yeah I know, but the dir said b4, guess that doesn't mean anything then [12:14] gnomefreak: firefox-3.5 3.5~b4~hg20090330r24021+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 [12:15] it shouldnt i dont have source for it atm [12:15] ramvi1: thats not an up-to-date tarball than [12:16] ramvi1: sounds like however if you use apt-get source it is the right tarball. just sounds like you are not up to date for some reason [12:16] ramvi1: make sure changelog has the right version, if so just rename the toplever dir [12:16] ok, i'll look into it. thanks for your time [12:16] np [12:17] asac: are you using same ubufox branch for Debian and Ubuntu? [12:18] sorry not ubufox but mozilla-devscripts [12:23] asac, ping! [12:26] fta, ping? [12:32] i'm suprised no hate mail from my bug comment on update-notifier :) [12:34] NCommander: tbird upload? [12:34] asac, yes please :-)? [12:35] asac, (slangasek was wondering why its been two weeks and no upload ...) [12:35] NCommander: i dont care about what he wonders ;) [12:36] * gnomefreak thinks this channel is better than working atm [12:37] 2.0 is latest version in repos [12:37] * gnomefreak goes back to own little world [12:39] asac: btw good luck getting flashgot devs to email back [12:41] !info sunbird jaunty [12:41] sunbird (source: lightning-sunbird): Sunbird stand-alone Calendar. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 (jaunty), package size 7915 kB, installed size 23696 kB [12:42] asac: can you please push sunbird ubuntu3 it fixes the armel build failure [12:42] !info sunbird karmic [12:42] sunbird (source: lightning-sunbird): Sunbird stand-alone Calendar. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 (karmic), package size 7915 kB, installed size 23696 kB [12:42] yeah [12:45] gnomefreak: did you include the sunbird patches ;) [12:45] NCommander: i will upload it before next alpha [12:45] we can move it bak to in progress if that stops slangasek bugging [12:45] asac: yes it is patched and works [12:45] asac, please comment that on the bug. We really need to get this SRU'ed though [12:45] SRUed? didnt know about that [12:46] i updated the bug with the branch and PPA info [12:46] asac, yeah, we needed this fixed in jaunty [12:46] i will talk to lool about that [12:46] * NCommander though we had discussed this ... [12:46] i dont want to SRU something if there will be a PPA for other stuff [12:46] asac, lool will have a better list of impressions for it [12:46] NCommander: i knew that you wanted to get this planned [12:47] but i didnt know that there are no other problems [12:47] * gnomefreak hopes m-d will grab latest 1.0 [12:47] asac, lool will know specifically what we need. I just wanted to make sure this didn't fall off your radar [12:47] ok [12:47] i will talk to him [12:50] NCommander: anyway i will upload this afternoon [13:22] hold off on sunbird i am fixing branches [13:22] asac: what is with the name of thunderbird-2.0 using the .nspr...? [13:23] gnomefreak, I think I left feedback on the bug, but the ARM fix you committed didn't fix it -/ [13:24] gnomefreak: yes. plese pick the other as well [13:24] NCommander: the jaunty branch is messed up atm. im working on it, will build again once im done [13:24] gnomefreak: there is one more in tbird branch [13:24] asac: the set as default browser doesnt work > even though. browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser < is set true [13:24] gnomefreak: go for the .head branch fo rnow [13:24]