[01:18] <tritium> Is there a fix out for the amd64 client?  I still get no applet showing up in the notification area.
[01:19] <tritium> Ooh, an update.  I will install that, and see if it fixes anything.
[01:20] <tritium> Yes!
[01:40] <BUGabundo> $ date; $ echo bedtime; $ aptitude why bed; $ echo guud pillow :p
[09:05] <jimmo> hi all
[09:05] <jimmo> i have a problem with ubuntu one
[09:05] <jimmo> i uploaded a folder
[09:06] <jimmo> i deleted it using thew web inerface
[09:07] <jimmo> but now if a open the folder using the ubntuone client...it s there...
[09:07] <jimmo> what s wrong?
[09:08] <jimmo> men r u there?
[09:09] <thisfred> jimmo: hi
[09:09] <thisfred> on the client, are you connected?
[09:10] <jimmo> y...i discovered right now there r some update for the ubuntu client
[09:10] <jimmo> maybe it will fix it
[09:11] <thisfred> jimmo: when did you originally install it? You might have to install ubuntuone-client-gnome
[09:11] <jimmo> i used the official repository
[09:12] <thisfred> jimmo:  that's the new client that pulls in all the other dependencies now
[09:12] <jimmo> not fixed
[09:13] <thisfred> jimmo: so you have ubuntuone-client-gnome installed right?
[09:13] <jimmo> y
[09:14] <thisfred> ok, I'll have a look what information I need to help you solve this
[09:14] <jimmo> ty
[09:15] <thisfred> jimmo: when you hover the mouse over the ubuntuone icon in the notification area, what text does it show?
[09:16] <jimmo> dle
[09:16] <jimmo> idle
[09:26] <thisfred> jimmo: if you type this in the terminal, what does it tell you:
[09:26] <thisfred> u1sdtool --list-shares
[09:26] <jimmo> no shares
[09:27] <thisfred> u1sdtool --current-transfers
[09:27] <jimmo> Current uploads: 0
[09:27] <jimmo> Current downloads: 0
[09:28] <thisfred> dpkg -l "*ubuntuone*"
[09:28] <jimmo> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[09:28] <jimmo> | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[09:28] <jimmo> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[09:28] <jimmo> ||/ Nome           Versione       Descrizione
[09:28] <jimmo> +++-[09:28] <jimmo> un  nautilus-ubunt <non definita> (descrizione non disponibile)
[09:28] <jimmo> ii  python-ubuntuo 0.90.3+r71-0ub Ubuntu One client Python libraries
[09:28] <jimmo> ii  python-ubuntuo 0.90.3+r48-0ub Python library for Ubuntu One file storage a
[09:28] <jimmo> un  python2.5-ubun <non definita> (descrizione non disponibile)
[09:28] <jimmo> un  python2.5-ubun <non definita> (descrizione non disponibile)
[09:28] <jimmo> un  python2.6-ubun <non definita> (descrizione non disponibile)
[09:29] <jimmo> un  python2.6-ubun <non definita> (descrizione non disponibile)
[09:29] <jimmo> ii  ubuntuone-clie 0.90.3+r71-0ub Ubuntu One client
[09:29] <jimmo> ii  ubuntuone-clie 0.90.3+r71-0ub Ubuntu One client GNOME integration
[09:29] <jimmo> un  ubuntuone-oaut <non definita> (descrizione non disponibile)
[09:29] <jimmo> un  ubuntuone-ppa  <non definita> (descrizione non disponibile)
[09:29] <jimmo> ii  ubuntuone-ppa- 2009.05.14-0ub GPG keys and sources for the Ubuntu One pack
[09:29] <jimmo> un  ubuntuone-stor <non definita> (descrizione non disponibile)
[09:29] <jimmo> un  ubuntuone-stor <non definita> (descrizione non disponibile)
[09:31] <thisfred> jimmo, ok, so everything looks good there
[09:31] <thisfred> u1sdtool --refresh=/home/$USER/Ubuntu\ One/My\ Files
[09:32] <thisfred> u1sdtool --info=/home/$USER/Ubuntu\ One/My\ Files
[09:33] <thisfred> jimmo: I will now try to do exactly the same thing you did, so it's important to get the order right:
[09:33] <thisfred> did you upload the folder through the web first?
[09:33] <jimmo> using the client
[09:33] <thisfred> ok, so you copied an existing folder into Ubuntu One/My Files ?
[09:33] <jimmo> y
[09:33] <thisfred> ok
[09:34] <thisfred> then you went to the webpage. Do you know if you were connected at that point?
[09:35] <jimmo> i think y
[09:35] <jimmo> i was connected
[09:36] <jimmo> i was on my personal page
[09:36] <thisfred> ok, so at least you didn't explicitly disconnect. Ok, I'm deleting the folder there
[09:36] <jimmo> logged in
[09:36] <jimmo> no i didnot
[09:37] <jimmo> ...but the problem is not fixed
[09:37] <thisfred> ok, so it's deleted on the web, and nothing seems to be happening here.
[09:37] <thisfred> I'll wait a little while
[09:37] <jimmo> y
[09:38] <jimmo> if i try to upload the same folder it tells me i cant because it already exist....
[09:38] <thisfred> jimmo, can you try: u1sdtool --refresh=/home/$USER/Ubuntu\ One/My\ Files
[09:38] <jimmo> already did
[09:39] <thisfred> ls -la  /home/$USER/Ubuntu\ One/My\ Files
[09:39] <jimmo> Kreski-Lines-b
[09:39] <jimmo> it s the older i uploaded
[09:39] <jimmo> folder*
[09:40] <thisfred> jimmo: and it's not got  .conflict on the end?
[09:40] <jimmo> no
[09:42] <thisfred> jimmo, ok, I see there is  one bugfix  in progress that might fix this, but I can't be absolutely sure.
[09:43] <jimmo> ok
[09:43] <jimmo> ty very much
[09:46] <thisfred> jimmo:
[09:46] <jimmo> ?
[09:46] <thisfred> could you add a short but detailed report to this bug:
[09:46] <thisfred> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/383619
[09:47] <thisfred> saying that the folder is *not* shared, and it is deleted on the web ui, but remains on the client
[09:47] <jimmo> ok
[09:47] <thisfred> thanks!
[09:47] <jimmo> np
[09:47] <thisfred> and thanks for helping us make the service better
[09:48] <jimmo> np
[10:11] <jimmo> b all i quit
[11:30] <maurizio_> Hi, I would ask a thing. When I copy files from a folder to the ubuntuone one by the application the files remain in /home/myname/Ubuntu One/My Files?
[11:32] <maurizio_> or thy are uploaded to the server and deleted from my hd?
[11:34] <thisfred> maurizio_: they would remain
[11:34] <maurizio_> thisfred, but they are on the server too?
[11:35] <thisfred> markgsaye: yes, it's more backup/synchronization across all your machines than external storage
[11:35] <thisfred> oops, maurizio_, not markgsaye
[11:35] <thisfred> sry markgsaye, didn't mean to disturb you
[11:35]  * markgsaye returns to work ...
[11:35] <maurizio_> I would they are just on the server, not in my machine, how can I do?
[11:35] <thisfred> markgsaye: I will stop saying your name then... :P
[11:36] <markgsaye> hush ...
[11:36] <thisfred> maurizio_: currently, you can't
[11:37] <maurizio_> thisfred ouch!
[11:37] <maurizio_> thisfred so if I delete files from /home/maurizio/Ubuntu One/My Files they will be deleted on the server too?
[11:38] <thisfred> maurizio_: well, this is not what the file synchronization service was built for: it's to keep files synchronized between machines and the server
[11:38] <thisfred> maurizio_: yes
[11:38] <maurizio_> thisfred ok
[11:38] <maurizio_> could I change the folder to synchronize on my machine?
[11:39] <thisfred> maurizio_: you could file a wishlist bug, it might fit as a different part of the Ubuntu One services
[11:39] <thisfred> maurizio_: currently, also no, but that feature is on the roadmap already
[11:39] <maurizio_> thisfred I'll do it
[11:39] <maurizio_> thisfred ok. Are you adeveloper?
[11:40] <thisfred> maurizio_: yes, although not on the file synchronization itself, yet, so my knowledge isn't perfect in this area :)
[11:41] <maurizio_> thisfred ok. good work
[11:41] <thisfred> maurizio_: thanks! And thanks for helping think about ways to  make the service better!
[11:42] <maurizio_> nothing, it's a pleasure
[12:12] <maurizio_> thisfred how can I report  a wishlist bug?
[12:14] <thisfred> maurizio_: same as a normal bug, file a bug report, and mark it as wishlist under "importance"
[12:15] <maurizio_> ok
[12:22] <jan____> hey :)
[12:22] <teknico> mmm, the applet does not connect to the service, what do I do?
[12:23] <teknico> I ran it from a terminal, but nothing interesting gets printed
[12:23] <teknico> it used to work under KDE, is it a problem now?
[12:24] <jblount> teknico: Do you have ubuntuone-client-gnome installed? It's the new meta package.
[12:24] <teknico> jblount, yes, I have it
[12:29] <jblount> teknico: Does the oauth log say anything interesting? It's possible something has fouled up with your token.
[12:31] <teknico> jblount, where is it?
[12:31] <facundobatista> Hi all
[12:32] <thisfred> teknico: ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log
[12:32] <thisfred> hi facundobatista
[12:34] <teknico> I see no errors in the oauth log, and I can log in to the web ui
[12:35] <teknico> no errors in the sync daemon log either
[12:40] <thisfred> teknico: so the icon when hovered over says idle?
[12:40] <thisfred> oh, not connected
[12:40] <teknico> it says Disconnected
[12:40] <thisfred> duh
[12:40] <thisfred> and connect does nothing
[12:41] <teknico> right
[12:42] <thisfred> jblount: the web ui is supposed to work in IE, or not?
[12:42]  * thisfred multitasks
[12:46] <jblount> thisfred: Kind of.
[12:47] <jblount> thisfred: It's supposed to, but when recently verifying a bug I found some brokeness and at this point, we're not going to be making any changes to that UI, so it being broken in IE is a wont' fix until we get the new ui in working shape (which should be very soon!)
[12:48] <thisfred> jblount: ok thanks. Someone is reporting it not working in IE on *pocket pc* which is a whole nother kettle of fish, I suppose, but I wanted to know whether IE proper even worked.
[12:49] <jblount> thisfred: It doesn't work correctly on mobile browsers full stop. We plan to have a mobile friendly site... soonish?
[12:50] <thisfred> jblount: thanks!
[12:50] <jblount> thisfred: Sure thing, thanks for being the one face to rule them all ;)
[12:53] <thisfred> jblount: and in darkness bind them! :D
[13:10] <jblount> Heh, 'bzr: ERROR: unknown command "merger"'
[13:16] <jdobrien> jblount: that's the command you use when you want to rewrite a system completely
[13:17] <thisfred> or when canonical and microsoft finalize the deal
[13:17]  * thisfred washes mouth out with soap
[14:29] <dobey> jblount: fwiw, nothing works correctly on IE mobile, it has a very crippled JS interpreter
[14:30] <dobey> jblount: on my Pre though, current ubuntuone.com loaded fine and i downloaded a file :)
[14:31] <jblount> dobey: Nice!
[14:32] <dobey> jblount: i think win mobile users will just have to suffer without
[14:34] <jblount> dobey: That's fair, but our mobile should work on just about anything. Blackberrys have a pretty terrible browser I think also, and I would want it to work there.
[14:35] <dobey> i think blackberry is better than IE
[14:46] <JamalFanaian> dobey: you can actually download files on the pre?! gosh i want to just chuck this iphone...
[14:46] <dobey> well "download"
[14:46] <dobey> it will open a pdf in a pdf reader
[14:47] <JamalFanaian> ohh ok
[14:47] <dobey> or open an image or whatever
[14:47] <dobey> but it won't let you save it to the "disk"
[14:47] <JamalFanaian> yeah i understand,... you know i haven't tried ubuntuone on my mobile.. let me see how it works :)
[14:47] <JamalFanaian> dobey: ahh ok, then it's similar at least
[14:48] <dobey> yeah
[14:57] <chadmil0> My irc client is dumb, so I'll start early.
[14:58] <JamalFanaian> hmm. no i can't download on my phone
[14:59] <JamalFanaian> when i click on the file, the overview tab doesn't switch to the file and stays with the info for "My Files" dir
[15:01] <jblount> MEETING BEGINS
[15:01] <jblount> me
[15:01] <urbanape> me
[15:01] <vds> me
[15:01] <teknico> me
[15:02] <statik> me
[15:02] <chadmil0> me.   DONE: read a lot of twisted docs.  :(  TODO: work out reactor(?) problem.  BLOCKED: maybe, but I want more time to see what the problem is.
[15:03]  * jblount assumes a tag from chadmil0 's dumb IRC client
[15:03] <jblount> DONE: email fixing branch for matt the griffin, nearly working upload for /files/new/, lots of bug triage, code review, etc
[15:03] <jblount> TODO: finish up this upload for /files/new/, review day, a branch to put the upgrade to paid plan in useful spots on the website
[15:03] <jblount> BLOCKED: I could use some help with the history.js stuff for /files/new/, it doesn't seem to be updating, even though it's being called
[15:03] <jblount> urbanape: you!
[15:03] <urbanape> DONE: Checked in and pushed latest Bindwood branch that pulls bookmarks from Couch and propagates deletion flags.
[15:03] <urbanape> TODO: Start to frame up an approach to managing the hierarchy for bookmarks folders, &c, and get reacquainted with new files UI.
[15:03] <urbanape> BLOCKED: None
[15:03] <urbanape> vds, you're up.
[15:04] <vds> DONE: lstill coding branch for contact db snapshot, helped teknico with a problem with the db, review duty
[15:04] <vds> TODO: again, finish the mentioned branch
[15:04] <vds> BLOCKED: no
[15:04] <vds> teknico: go :)
[15:04] <teknico> DONE: discussed a strange lockup in PostgreSQL access with jamesh and the other guys, wrote unit tests for the contacts web views and for the contacts resetting web views
[15:04] <teknico> TODO: find a proper fix for the PostgreSQL lockup, land the two web views testing branches
[15:04] <teknico> BLOCKED: nothing
[15:04] <teknico> NEXT: statik
[15:04] <statik> DONE: lots of planning stuff and 1:1 calls TODO: tarmac sprint BLOCKED: nope
[15:04] <statik> next chadmil0
[15:04] <statik> oh no
[15:05] <chadmil0> :)
[15:05] <statik> dobey? i guess aquarius is not online, he was having internet troubles
[15:05] <urbanape> aquarius is on holiday now
[15:06] <chadmil0> statik: I filed a few bugs last night, but didn't add 'w-' tags.
[15:06] <teknico> aquarius left two minutes before the standup ;-)
[15:06] <jblount> MEETING ENDS (except for dobey :)
[15:06] <statik> chadmil0, cool! there is a special field for milestones, it's not a tag
[15:06] <urbanape> can't believe I've been here a month. Time is flying.
[15:06] <statik> i hope thats a good thing :)
[15:07] <urbanape> it is. I'm definitely feeling more in the flow. Glad to have a project to hack on.
[15:07] <JamalFanaian> ..wow -- sorry i don't mean to intrude but that was pretty cool..
[15:07] <jblount> urbanape: Congratulations! Do you mind spending some time looking at this history stuff with me?
[15:07] <jblount> JamalFanaian: No intrusion, we're doing the meetings here so people can see what we're working on :)
[15:07] <urbanape> yeah, now that the gran canaria demo is done and over, the bindwood pressure is off a bit
[15:08] <teknico> urbanape, the insects of time appreciate a pointed stick ;-)
[15:08] <JamalFanaian> jblount: pretty cool :) i like that.. i miss scrums :\
[15:08] <urbanape> jblount: wanna skype up in a bit?
[15:08] <urbanape> get recontextualized?
[15:08] <jblount> JamalFanaian: I'm not good with the fancy acronyms, but we do like going fast :)
[15:08] <jblount> urbanape: Sounds great, I'll sort my branch into something pullable, let's say 10:30 ?
[15:09] <urbanape> sounds good. That gives me just enough time to pull a fresh branch and take a shower
[15:09] <dobey> statik: he has internet again
[15:09] <dobey> (me)
[15:09] <dobey> DONE: Fixed desktopcouch build, Bug triage, Reviewed dpm's branch, Moved u1fsfsm building out of setup.py
[15:09] <dobey> TODO: Tarmac mini-sprint, Get rid of setup.py usage in ubuntuone-client, Look at gnome^H^Hxdg-keyring spec and such
[15:09] <dobey> BLCK: None.
[15:09] <JamalFanaian> jblount: that's what we used to call it back at my old job.. i think it's from the XP book. it's just the whole what you worked on, what you need to do, and what is blocking your progress thinkg you guys did... we would go around in a circle and do that every morning
[15:09] <statik> urbanape, i'm changing bindwood to be a subproject of ubuntuone again (hope aquarius doesn't kill me in my sleep)
[15:10] <urbanape> go for it.
[15:10] <urbanape> I will bitterly defend my apolitical stance as to its provenance.
[15:10]  * jblount starts building a protective force-field for statik 
[15:10] <statik> i just really need to be able to search bugs/milestones across all kajillion projects we are working on
[15:56] <jblount> What the heck should I clean a glossy laptop screen with? Will winde work?
[15:56]  * jblount misses his matte screen
[16:06] <dobey> jblount: suede
[16:12]  * jblount presses his sneakers to his screen warily ;)
[16:18] <dobey> jblount: there is a very good reason the pre comes with a suede pouch for the phone :)
[16:55] <thisfred> question: when removing a folder from the web client, is it known/intended behavior that: 1. the folder does not get deleted locally until after disconnecting/reconnecting 2. the folder then does not get deleted at all, but moved to foldername.conflict retaining all its contents?
[16:56] <dobey> thisfred: 1 is known. as soon as all the notification wiring is wired up, it should be fixed though
[16:56] <thisfred> cool
[16:58] <dobey> thisfred: 2 is probably a bug as a result of 1
[17:00] <thisfred> dobey: thanks, understood
[17:01] <thisfred> (I figured since I'm face today, I might as well get my own questions answered in the process ;)
[17:02] <dobey> heh
[17:22] <thisfred> dobey, assigning a lot of bugs to you, I realize: it's nothing personal, you're just the only desktop client dude I know. If they are marked as desktop+ incorrectly, let me know and I'll correct
[18:27] <robert__> Hi! I'm looking for a documentation of the protocol between client and server. Is there any?
[19:02] <dobey> vds: you realize the most italian i know is something like "che cazzato dici?!" right?
[19:12] <KR8L_> What's the best way to submit a "feature request" for ubuntuone?
[19:15] <dobey> file a bug
[19:15] <JamalFanaian> KR8L_: I would assume submitting a ticket to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone
[19:16]  * CardinalFang laughs heartily at comment in twisted.internet.protocol.ReconnectingClientFactory .
[19:18] <KR8L> JamalFanaian: Wasn't sure if a "bug report" would be appropriate or not.  Thanks for the suggestion.
[19:18] <JamalFanaian> KR8L: Should be, if it's a feature it will probably stay in the queue for a while..
[19:22] <KR8L> JamalFanaian: Thanx! Scanning through the list of 424 "bugs", now I see that there are quite a few "wishlist" items.  OK, need to check through those first.  I'm new to this process.
[19:23] <JamalFanaian> KR8L: me too! i just started playing with launchpad a few days ago.. mostly with the gwibber project so far
[19:26] <KR8L> JamalFanaian: Also just started using IRC. Not sure I'm taking advantage of all the features yet. Using xchat-gnome.
[19:42] <BUGabundo> bun nuit
[19:46] <dobey> hi
[19:47] <CardinalFang> Salut.
[19:49] <BUGabundo> hey dobey CardinalFang
[19:49] <vds> dobey: wow that's not exactly the best way to start a conversation in italian :)
[19:51] <dobey> vds: hehe :)
[19:51] <vds> dobey:  :)
[19:55] <CardinalFang> BUGabundo: Where are you?  "bun" != bon != bonne
[19:55] <CardinalFang> Just curious.  My french is terrible.
[19:56] <dobey> portugal
[19:56] <dobey> where they speak portugese
[19:56] <CardinalFang> Ah, well nevermind then.
[19:56] <BUGabundo> ahahahahaahhaahahahaahaha
[19:56] <BUGabundo> CardinalFang: just fonetic word play
[19:56] <BUGabundo> darn... dobey has a great memory
[19:57] <BUGabundo> I *must* remember not to let him know more stuff about me, by accident :)
[20:14] <BUGabundo> ok PIZZA time! back in 30
[20:16] <JamalFanaian> BUGabundo: Hm.. Pizza..
[20:16] <JamalFanaian> :)
[20:16] <BUGabundo> yep
[20:48] <jdobrien> pfibiger: looks like some code got reverted
[20:48] <pfibiger> jdobrien: in trunk, you mean, not during deployment?
[20:48] <jdobrien> pfibiger: I have no idea. it's not in trunk
[20:49] <jdobrien> pfibiger: but I know that can_do had a check for store being none
[20:49] <pfibiger> so this is in views.py?
[20:51] <jdobrien> pfibiger: this is in can_do
[20:55] <dobey> no_can_do
[20:55] <jdobrien> :)
[20:56] <jdobrien> pfibiger: I am just modifying the view to pass the store in
[20:56] <jdobrien> pfibiger: that should fix it
[20:56] <jdobrien> ..will
[21:40] <litius> hey gurus.. this python applet do not start - ideas?
[21:40] <litius> (ubuntuone-client-applet)
[21:45] <litius> just times out per it's own config:
[21:45] <litius> # Wait for 30 seconds to get a proper login request
[21:45] <litius> LOGIN_TIMEOUT = 30
[21:50] <CardinalFang> litius: I think most people are distracted by thoughts of the weekend.  :)
[21:50] <CardinalFang> litius: I don't have an answer directly, but I'd check what's in  ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/  first.
[21:51] <litius> @CardinalFang, good idea... going there.. I already figured that it searches /opt/firefox/firefox by default which is silly
[21:51] <litius> why not /usr/bin/firefox !??
[21:52] <dobey> litius: upgrade
[21:52] <litius> to what?
[21:52] <litius> I am on Jaunty
[21:52] <jblount> litius: What dobey means is that there is a nicer version that does things more nicely if you upgrade via 'apt-get upgrade' or similar
[21:52] <dobey> litius: upgrade the ubuntuone-client-gnome package. the 30s timeout thing is gone
[21:53] <jblount> dobey: Remind me not to let you write any error messages on Fridays
[21:53] <litius> I just solved it - it was indeed "/opt/firefox/firefox"... I created a symlink, and ran "ubuntuone-client-applet -s"... its good now :)
[22:12] <litius> yea, you're right.. I am not really sure why the config is there - I actually found another occurrence on launchpad.. wonder if it is another common app that screws the config..
[22:13] <litius> --
[22:13] <litius>     /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/chrome:
[22:13] <litius>      command = /opt/firefox/firefox "%s"
[22:13] <litius> --
[22:13] <litius>     /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http:
[22:13] <litius>      command = /opt/firefox/firefox "%s"
[22:13] <litius> --
[22:13] <litius>     /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/https:
[22:13] <litius>      command = /opt/firefox/firefox "%s"
[22:13] <litius> --
[22:13] <litius>     /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/ftp:
[22:13] <litius>      command = /opt/firefox/firefox "%s"
[22:13] <litius> but hey, thanks for support :)
[22:14] <litius> aw.. I love this icon rotating in notification area - awesome! :)