[00:07] <soliva_> wo someone confirmed the AWN bug
[00:07] <soliva_> cool
[00:07] <soliva_> ops
[00:08] <Bmw1000c> cool.
[00:11] <billybigrig> Bmw1000c: theres a post going on about it
[00:11] <billybigrig> i pasted the link to the bug to get it out there
[00:11] <billybigrig> i find it funny how forum users stick to forums and not irc, huge communication breakdown there haha
[00:12] <billybigrig> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1209542
[00:13]  * BUGabundo doesn't like forums
[00:13] <Twigathy> IRC++
[00:13] <Twigathy> the [near] instant response is rather better than forums :)
[00:14] <billybigrig> roger
[00:14] <billybigrig> seems more info to trade on here anyway...
[00:14] <Twigathy> ack, update-manager is doing its silly "busy" cursor thing again >:(
[00:15] <Twigathy> The stupid thing is, I can't look at the updates, but I can click "install updates" >_<
[00:15] <Twigathy> Anybody know how I ought to debug this?
[00:17] <billybigrig> nope :(
[00:17] <billybigrig> off to a bbq for some good eats and some brews
[00:17] <billybigrig> peace all
[00:19] <Bmw1000c> thanks billybigrigger
[00:20] <DanaG> hmm, Staples had that funky touchstyk-only laptop.
[00:20] <DanaG> Sony one.
[00:20] <DanaG> Netbook-ish.
[00:20] <DanaG> Screen was 1600x768.
[00:21] <Bmw1000c> wo
[00:21] <Twigathy> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2w39e9j&s=3 <-- thing.
[00:22] <Twigathy> The updates themselves are not clickable, so I can't see the changes etc. :>
[00:22] <Bmw1000c> aptitude safe-upgrade?
[00:23] <Bmw1000c> $ sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[00:23] <Bmw1000c> try it
[00:23] <Twigathy> well, sure, I can do something else... but the point is update-manager is broken :)
[00:23] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: or some update is
[00:23] <BUGabundo> my latop is a total mess
[00:23] <Twigathy> I can click 'install updates' and update-manager will correctly install the updates. It's just the list is greyed out and unselectable.
[00:23] <BUGabundo> python broken everywhere
[00:24] <BUGabundo> FF broken
[00:24] <Twigathy> fail :/
[00:24] <BUGabundo> PA broken
[00:24] <BUGabundo> Compiz broken
[00:24] <BUGabundo> kmail broken
[00:24] <Twigathy> my firefox and pulse are working (as far as you can say pulse works... *stabstabstab*)
[00:26] <BUGabundo> even my mouse scroll is broken
[00:27] <BUGabundo> :((
[00:27] <Twigathy> :S
[00:27] <BUGabundo> damn scroll button died today
[00:27] <Twigathy> oh, not a software issue then c_c
[00:30] <LLStarks> sup
[00:30] <LLStarks> can someone help me fix dpkg?
[00:30] <LLStarks> it won't upgrade.
[00:31] <BUGabundo> LLStarks: pastebin: $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[00:31] <BUGabundo> thanks
[00:35] <LLStarks> if i do that, i'll kill my upstart and my system
[00:35] <BUGabundo> why would it ?
[00:35] <LLStarks> it did earlier today
[00:35] <LLStarks> also, consider this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/397498
[00:35] <BUGabundo> at least it should output what's wrong so we can see
[00:36] <LLStarks> i posted my output there
[00:36] <LLStarks> also, don't tell update their upstart yet.
[00:37] <LLStarks> it's not ready.
[00:37] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 1.15.3.1ubuntu1
[00:37] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 1.15.3.1ubuntu1
[00:37] <BUGabundo> are you on karmic???
[00:37] <LLStarks> yes
[00:37] <BUGabundo> you can't be correct
[00:37] <BUGabundo> that's a very old package
[00:38] <LLStarks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/397498/comments/7
[00:38] <LLStarks> that's my output
[00:38] <BUGabundo> I'm reading it now
[00:38] <BUGabundo> does this still happen after reboot?
[00:38] <LLStarks> yes
[00:38] <LLStarks> for the past few days
[00:38] <LLStarks> unfixed
[00:39] <BUGabundo> very strange
[00:39] <BUGabundo> looks like a bad combo of packaged
[00:39] <BUGabundo> *packages
[00:39] <LLStarks> and i obviously can't purge then install
[00:39] <BUGabundo> what does safe-upgrade in simulation mode tell you ?
[00:41] <LLStarks> nothing useful
[00:41] <LLStarks> in apt-get or aptitude
[00:41] <LLStarks> the package is corrupt and multiple people agree
[00:41] <LLStarks> that's all there is to it
[00:41] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:41] <BUGabundo> then you may have to redownload it manually and force install it
[00:42] <BUGabundo> even on recovery console, if need be
[00:42] <LLStarks> rc didn't help
[00:42] <LLStarks> even in etroot
[00:42] <LLStarks> *netroot
[00:44] <BUGabundo> chroot?
[00:45] <LLStarks> tried
[00:45] <LLStarks> the package doesn't take. period.
[00:45] <LLStarks> and i am afraid to reboot right now because of the upstart updates
[00:46] <LLStarks> $10 bucks it won't boot
[00:46] <BUGabundo> ehhe
[00:46] <BUGabundo> worse case scenary: re-install
[00:46] <LLStarks> i had to chroot from a liveusb to fix
[00:46] <LLStarks> it's not fun
[00:47] <Twigathy> such is the bleeding edge :)
[00:47] <BUGabundo> LLStarks: Twigathy is right
[00:47] <BUGabundo> running a devel version you must be ready for breakage
[00:47] <LLStarks> thank science that i've picked up all these recovery tricks since i discovered ubuntu during the feisty dev cycle
[00:48] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:48] <BUGabundo> we all have
[00:48] <Twigathy> yarr, I've learnt quite a bit about How Stuff Works just based on random package breakage (Usually my own fault - I run a heck of a weird system c_c)
[00:49] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: what does it have so special?
[00:49] <Twigathy> NFS root, for a start. It's also got a very very minimal set of packages installed. pulse is hacked up to run just as single user. /boot is on a partition which is kept unmounted most of the time...
[00:50] <Twigathy> Lots of potential for breakage every time I hit the magic 'update' button :D
[00:50] <BUGabundo> eheheeheheh
[01:16]  * BUGabundo off to bed
[01:16]  * cwillu pokes BUGabundo 
[02:14] <akio> I'm wondering where my "Login Window" Button from gnome-control-center went?
[02:15] <Pici> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/395299
[02:15] <Pici> akio: ^
[02:16] <akio> wow
[02:16] <akio> what about gdm.conf?
[02:19] <Pici> I'm not sure, I'd assume its still honored
[02:22] <DanaG> handy hint: return GDM to login screen, then switch to a TTY and:
[02:22] <DanaG> DISPLAY=:0 sudo -u gdm xterm
[02:29] <akio> DanaG, what does that do?
[02:30] <akio> open up an xterm as the gdm user?
[02:30] <DanaG> yeah.
[02:30] <DanaG> Then you can open gconf-editor, or gnome-appearance-properties.
[02:30] <DanaG> You can even set the "settings-manager" thing to do media (i.e. volume-up-down) keys.
[02:30] <akio> is that a bug?
[02:31] <DanaG> Whaddayamean?
[02:31] <DanaG> It's not any sort of vulnerability, because you have to have sudoer permissions to do that, anyway.
[02:31] <akio> nevermind, I didn't read slowly
[02:33] <DanaG> Handy hint: set theme and wallpaper the same as your desktop -- then it'll be extra nifty-spiffy.
[02:34] <SeveredCross> That doesn't work for those of us who use Desktop Drapes. :<
[02:35] <akio> I suppose you use a tiling window manager started by startx?
[02:35] <DanaG> Drapes?
[02:35] <DanaG> Whazzat?
[02:35] <DanaG> (sorry, I just like saying "zz" instead of "t's th".
[02:37] <akio> I was wondering how I would do an automatic login
[02:37] <akio> I didnt see a gdm.conf in /etc/gdm
[02:38] <akio> wait no
[02:38]  * akio whines too much
[02:38] <DanaG> I also dislike some aspects of the new GDM.
[02:38] <DanaG> Can't just type my name, for one.
[02:39] <akio> I don't share my computer anyway
[02:39] <akio> no like that
[02:39] <akio> I have a separate firefox profile for my wife
[02:40] <akio> ok, it was still in the locate db, but it isn't currently in /etc/gdm
[02:40] <akio> it moved or is no longer there
[02:41] <akio> /etc/dbus-1/system.d/gdm.conf ?
[02:43] <DanaG> hmm, check /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[02:45] <akio> but I don't know what to but in there, I'm checking the horses mouth
[02:47] <DanaG> http://www.perturb.org/display/entry/812/
[02:47] <DanaG> ... but put them in custom.conf.
[02:58] <akio> I did that and it didn't take effect.
[02:59] <akio> Ahh the details
[02:59] <akio> in the daemon section
[03:11] <akio> that page did it
[03:11] <akio> it seems like gdm gets skipped altogether, I like this
[03:14] <akio> I love the intel optimizations in UNR
[03:15]  * DanaG wants to see if the updated thingamajobber (er, upstart) makes stuff boot faster.
[03:15] <akio> I thought upstart has been around for a while now
[03:19] <Sarvatt> i was looking forward to switching my netbook to lpia in karmic but they dropped the atom support patches in gcc and switched it to pentium-m arch to support some crappy celeron netbooks :(
[03:23] <SeveredCross> Fail!
[03:24] <DanaG> Now Karmic won't boot.
[03:24] <DanaG> Stops at "running scripts/init_bottom"
[03:24] <DanaG> Or rather, stops after printing it.  CPU backtrace shows both cores doing cpu_idle.
[03:34] <DanaG> Well, glad I have my jaunty and karmic sharing a home... it's trivially easy to just go and boot the other one.
[03:43] <DanaG> ah, fixed it... had to upgrade upstart.
[03:43] <DanaG> upstart-compat-sysv got removed despite upstart not upgrading.
[03:45] <Sarvatt> ah yuck, upgraded meta without upgrading upstart then? how did you do the upgrade?
[03:45] <DanaG> Aptitude.  =þ
[03:45] <DanaG> Looks like they got the conflicts right in one direction, but not in the other.   Or something like that.
[03:45] <Sarvatt> aptitude upgrade?
[03:45] <DanaG> manual UI, shift-U.
[03:46] <DanaG> It suggested leaving upstart, rather than removing upstart-logd.  =þ
[03:47] <Sarvatt> yuck, glad i use apt-get dist-upgrade then :D
[03:47] <levander> Any idea if virtualbox 3.0 is going to be included in Karmic?
[03:47] <levander> I just read it supports DirectX hardware acceleration, I'm blown away.
[03:47] <Sarvatt> i'm sure it will be
[03:47] <levander> When is the package freeze for Karmic?
[03:48] <Sarvatt> you can get it here for now https://edge.launchpad.net/~debfx/+archive/virtualbox
[03:48] <Sarvatt> september something?
[03:48] <levander> Sarvatt: Oh, there's plenty of time, great!  Haven't been so excited about an Ubuntu release in a long time.
[03:48] <levander> I'm going to go look for Karmic screenshots.  I haven't installed it yet.
[03:49] <DanaG> I tried it, the d3d didn't work.
[03:49] <DanaG> oR rather, not well at all.
[03:49] <DanaG> Many missing extensions.
[03:49] <Sarvatt> thats when the freeze for xorg drivers is at least, imagine its the same
[03:49] <levander> Yeah, I'm still figuring I'm going to have to make a Windows host, Ubuntu guest if I want to play games.
[03:50] <levander> But, that that's even available.  Unbelievable.  Never thought it would happen 15 years ago when I started using Linux.
[03:51] <Sarvatt> oh wow virtualbox 3.0.2 released today
[03:51] <Sarvatt> musta been a bad bug
[03:52] <levander> Ha, they stayed with the orange, but made it not so 1980's looking.
[03:52] <levander> I don't get what everbody is talking about "nice as a Mac UI".  Is there any article I can read somewhere where they explain what those claims are about?  Or, is it all hype?
[03:54] <Sarvatt> anyone have any experiences with 790GX 780G or nvidia 8200 chipsets under karmic? trying to decide on a new mobo and I dont know if any of those have problems in linux right now
[03:55] <Sarvatt> whatcha talking about levander?
[03:56] <levander> Grrr, scroll up, don't wanna re-type.
[03:56] <Sarvatt> kubuntu is probably what you're looking for if you want that type of UI, gnome doesnt really try to look like the other OSes
[03:57] <Sarvatt> i dont know what you mean by "they stayed with orange" or "nice as a mac UI"
[03:57] <Sarvatt> are you talking about ubuntu in general? or some app?
[03:57] <levander> Sarvatt: hold on, let me find a link to all the Mac OS hype.
[03:57] <levander> I saw some Karmic screenshots, it was all darker orange instead of the now bright-light orange.
[03:57] <levander> That's what I mean stayed with the orange.
[03:59] <Sarvatt> http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.3-rc2.php  -- that probably looks closer to a mac than gnome
[04:00] <levander> I tried KDE a while back.  Wasn't impressed.  There were like 3 different applications you used to change the look.  One for thems, another for icons, etc.  In GNOME that's all in one place.  And, the Start Menu on KDE, that always reminded me too much of Windows.
[04:00] <levander> After I noticed those 2 things, I uninstalled.
[04:00] <Sarvatt> yup I dont like it either for similar reasons :D
[04:01] <cwillu> I just don't like how everything starts with k
[04:01] <cwillu> makes the menus hard to read
[04:01] <levander> lots of GNOME stuff starts with 'g'.
[04:01] <cwillu> levander, most of it doesn't
[04:01] <cwillu> at least, not the menu names
[04:02] <Sarvatt> things look too cluttered in KDE for me
[04:02] <DanaG> and it's not Gthis Gthat Geverything Gtexteditor
[04:02] <DanaG> It's this and that and gedit.
[04:02] <levander> They use application file names, not like regular English names in the menus?
[04:02] <SeveredCross> DE is so cluttered, it's not even funny
[04:02] <SeveredCross> *KDE.
[04:02] <levander> Ha, yeah, that is annoying.
[04:02] <cwillu> gedit is the only one I can think of, and it's actually a pronounceable word :p
[04:02] <Sarvatt> gpointing-device-settings!
[04:02] <DanaG> oh, and now gparted.
[04:02] <Sarvatt> lol
[04:03] <cwillu> there, two :p
[04:03] <DanaG> I can never find it when I need it... it was previously "partition editor".
[04:03] <levander> And, it's called 'Text Editor' in the menus like it should be.  Having gedit in there would be annoying..
[04:03] <DanaG> Kyourmom
[04:03] <DanaG> s/mom/face/
[04:04] <Sarvatt> gnome-shell is quite nice, if only I could adjust sizes on things so it wasnt so huge on this netbook screen
[04:04] <SeveredCross> I'm not really a fan of gnome-shell. It looks kinda ugly IMO.
[04:05] <SeveredCross> It has lots of potential, but as of now, it's kinda ugly.
[04:05] <cwillu> if I want a terminal window, I keep 8 of them open on my desktop like I already do :p
[04:05] <SeveredCross> I just use tabbed terminals.
[04:05] <Sarvatt> yeah i'll probably end up just using mutter for karmic, love clutter GL compositing without having to use compiz and succomb to all the bugs it causes :D
[04:05] <SeveredCross> mutter does have lots of potential.
[04:06] <SeveredCross> Can you replace metacity directly with mutter?
[04:06] <Sarvatt> yup using it right now
[04:07] <SeveredCross> Does GNOME Do work fine on it? If it does, I might switch to mutter.
[04:07] <Sarvatt> yeah it does
[04:07] <DanaG> Is it just me... or is this a mangled patch?
[04:07] <DanaG> http://www.mentby.com/Group/linux-kernel/patch-hpfallc-improvements-thoughts.html
[04:07] <DanaG> I haven't even tried gnome-shell, because I don't like the idea of something non-customizable.
[04:08] <SeveredCross> Sarvatt: Would there happen to be a mutter PPA?
[04:09] <Sarvatt> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
[04:09] <Sarvatt> was just about to link it when you asked
[04:09] <SeveredCross> You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
[04:09] <Sarvatt> just mutter --replace works
[04:09] <DanaG> mutter mutter mutter... say, what is mutter?
[04:09] <SeveredCross> Metacity done in clutter.
[04:10] <akio> weird
[04:10] <akio> that sounds cool though
[04:11] <Sarvatt> its metacity with 3d compositing instead of the crappy old xrender metacity compositing
[04:11] <Sarvatt> 3d compositing backend rather
[04:12] <SeveredCross> Anyone know how to speed up the reading database junk.
[04:12] <SeveredCross> It takes *froever* here, though I do have nearly 200,000 files.
[04:12] <akio> what database junk?
[04:13] <Sarvatt> e4defrag /var/cache/ ? :D
[04:13] <DanaG> !g mutter
[04:13] <DanaG> dang, no googlebot.
[04:16] <SeveredCross> Oof, mutter really fucked up.
[04:16] <SeveredCross> It crashed, and didn't restart metacity.
[04:16] <SeveredCross> Er, compiz.
[04:16] <cwillu> it's not responsible for restarting another window manager
[04:16] <Seeker`> SeveredCross: watch your language
[04:16] <akio> I figured it would do something like that
[04:16] <cwillu> that's what your session manager is fo
[04:16] <cwillu> for
[04:16] <Sarvatt> i dont use compiz, it replaces metacity fine at least
[04:16] <SeveredCross> My bad.
[04:17] <Sarvatt> i launch it from a VT with DISPLAY=:0 mutter --replace
[04:17] <SeveredCross> Sarvatt: Hmm.
[04:17] <SeveredCross> I would try that, except when I switch to a VT, I don't get a VT, I get a borked version of my X display.
[04:17] <Sarvatt> if it starts it will restart metacity again for you at least when it stops
[04:18] <SeveredCross> Odd. It's not restarting compiz. Oh well.
[04:19] <SeveredCross> Aha, now it's started.
[04:19] <SeveredCross> But it's a bit slow.
[04:20] <SeveredCross> And it crashed.
[04:20] <SeveredCross> Oh well.
[04:43] <DanaG> ugh, pulseaudio flat-volumes is damned confusing.
[04:45] <SeveredCross> Not to mention that it breaks Totem.
[04:45] <DanaG> And that earcandy thing, too.
[04:46] <DanaG> Makes it go lloOOOOUUUUUUDDDDD OH GOD MY EARS!
[04:47] <SeveredCross> It also breaks my LFE.
[04:47] <SeveredCross> :|
[04:47] <DanaG> I say, if I have my app at 70% volume, and move it to a card that's at 50% volume... I don't want the card's volume to change!
[04:47] <DanaG> I want it to be 0.7 * 0.5.
[05:19] <Sarvatt> huh.. i must be blind because i swear it just kicked me back to grub instead of restarting doing a restart from gnome..
[05:25] <cwillu> Sarvatt, you missed that checkin?  hal now simply writes 'b' to /proc/sysqr-trigger to reboot
[05:25] <cwillu> Sarvatt, the rationale was that any properly written application should have their state in a recoverable form anyway, and so this will flush out any remaining bugs in the system
[05:25]  * cwillu does his best to maintain a straight face
[05:27] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what's screwed-up about the upstart packaging: new version has BREAKS, but does _not_ have REPLACES.
[05:27] <Sarvatt> ohh that would be extra fun for people using ext4 too, they should backport that on jaunty :)
[05:28]  * cwillu blinks
[05:28]  * cwillu stabs Sarvatt with a "have you fixed my crappy acer's suspend yet?" stick
[05:29] <DanaG> oh yeahzz, does the gnome-shell PPA add a separate login item, or just replace?
[05:31] <DanaG> ugh, "mutter" effects are ugly.
[05:31] <DanaG> If I click a taskbar button to minimize a thing... I expect it to at least slightly move towards the taskbar in the animation.
[05:31] <DanaG> Otherwise it feels entirely too disconnected.
[05:31] <cwillu> DanaG, but the taskbar entry was already there, no?  it'
[05:31] <DanaG> Oh, and closing is a horizonatl squish.
[05:32] <DanaG> Reminds me of when Vista was in beta, and windows actually seemingly "bubbled" up.
[05:32] <DanaG> Back then, it actually "overshot" the size before plopping down to normal.  Made me a bit dizzy, in fact.
[05:34] <DanaG> Imagine if your doors randomly opened from the middle, instead of from the knob where you grabbed them.  That's the sort of feeling I get.
[05:35] <Sarvatt> wow the depends on upstart are enough to make my head spin trying to follow how its handled by the different things :D
[05:36] <Sarvatt> Pre-Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, sysvinit-utils, sysv-rc, initscripts
[05:36] <Sarvatt> Replaces: sysvinit, upstart-compat-sysv, startup-tasks, system-services
[05:36] <Sarvatt> Conflicts: sysvinit, upstart-compat-sysv, startup-tasks, system-services
[05:36] <Sarvatt> Provides: upstart-compat-sysv, startup-tasks, system-services
[05:36] <DanaG> oh, and what's with notify-osd showing my bubble for 10 full seconds?
[05:38] <Sarvatt> you use gnome-shell --replace or mutter --replace
[05:39] <Sarvatt> guess you could do it through xephyr but i dont even build xephyr in the xserver i'm using
[05:39] <DanaG> hah, when I ran the xserver one, I got 3 things: xeyes, xterm, and one other thing I can't remember.  That's it.
[05:39] <DanaG> er, xephyr one.
[05:40] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f3b969e7a
[05:40] <DanaG> that's with -r
[05:41] <Sarvatt> you dont have cogl installed?
[05:41] <DanaG> What's that?
[05:41] <DanaG> Whatever it was, it wasn't a dependency.
[05:42] <Sarvatt> hmm wonder what it is, its working fine here just tested it
[05:42] <DanaG> I got it from here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
[05:44] <Sarvatt> install libclutter-0.9-dev?
[05:44] <Sarvatt> weird that it needs the dev package
[05:44] <DanaG> !find cogl
[05:45] <Sarvatt> yeah 0.9-dev
[05:46] <DanaG> here's it in xephyr: http://pastebin.com/f50e7e0fa
[05:47] <DanaG> oh, now it works in -r.
[05:47] <DanaG> Ugh, it sucks.
[05:47] <DanaG> I click activities, I expect a menu, not laaaaag and OH HECK WHAT IS IT DOING?
[05:47] <DanaG> Try clicking it a bunch of times in rapid succession.  =þ
[05:48] <DanaG> As I do, when I don't see a menu start appearing.
[05:48] <DanaG> There's a lag of 3/4 to 1 second.
[05:49] <DanaG> (ugh, and taking away all configurability of panel applets... is akin to a "sin".
[05:49] <DanaG> s/a sin/Apple/
[05:49] <DanaG> oh, and desktops have a "+", but not a "-".
[05:51] <Sarvatt_> ok i wasnt crazy, it just happened again.. flood of error messages about rc init stopping and continuing after it disconnected the system bus then it went back to grub
[05:51] <Sarvatt_> ya get it working DanaG?
[05:51] <DanaG> yeah.
[05:52] <DanaG> you missed my bit of a rant.  =þ
[05:53] <DanaG> (09:47:01 PM) DanaG: oh, now it works in -r.       (09:47:17 PM) DanaG: Ugh, it sucks.      (09:47:37 PM) DanaG: I click activities, I expect a menu, not laaaaag and -- HEY, WHAT IS IT DOING?       (09:47:51 PM) DanaG: Try clicking it a bunch of times in rapid succession.  =þ      (09:48:00 PM) DanaG: As I do, when I don't see a menu start appearing.     (09:48:19 PM) DanaG: There's a lag of 3/4 to 1 second.      (09:49:01 PM) DanaG: 
[05:54] <Sarvatt_> eww, its not that bad here
[05:54] <Sarvatt_> and i'm on a crappy netbook
[05:54] <DanaG> And I have a "beefy" computer.
[05:54] <DanaG> It just sits there doing nothing for like 1/2 to 3/4 second.
[05:54] <DanaG> ugh, no tab-complete on alt-f2?
[05:54] <DanaG> ... and no history.
[05:55] <Sarvatt_> what type of video are you on?
[05:55] <DanaG> ATI.
[05:55] <DanaG> fglrx, on RV635.
[05:56] <Sarvatt> wouldn't be surprised if it was something crappy between clutter and fglrx
[05:56] <Sarvatt> yay something to look forward to if i get a 790GX motherboard :D
[05:56] <DanaG> 790GX... what IGP does that have?
[05:56] <Sarvatt> 3300
[05:57] <DanaG> Oh, and I load compiz... and everything's GONE!
[05:57] <DanaG> Even the alt-f2 stuff.
[05:57] <DanaG> Evil, I tell you.
[05:57] <Sarvatt> it starts metacity when you close gnome-shell, did you stop that too?
[05:57] <DanaG> I just did compiz --replace
[05:57] <DanaG> to see what it would do.
[05:57] <DanaG> The answer is: breaks everything.
[05:57] <DanaG> Because the gnome-shell doesn't play nicely with anything else.
[05:58] <Sarvatt> sounds like compiz --replace when you're using metacity compositing too :D
[05:58] <DanaG> It runs off and hides.
[05:58] <DanaG> No, that's different.
[05:58] <DanaG> Compiz loaded, and works.
[05:58] <Sarvatt> just control-c then control-c again and load your compiz
[05:58] <DanaG> But the alt-f2 to bring up a menu is not working.
[05:58] <DanaG> And all the buttons are gone.
[05:58] <DanaG> Ah, just had to re-open gnome-panel.
[05:59] <DanaG> The panel opens the alt-f2 thingy, not the WM?  Odd.
[05:59] <Sarvatt> oh it must be how you killed gnome-shell
[05:59] <DanaG> oh, and gnome-shell in xephyr still gives me just xterm, xeyes, and xlogo.
[05:59] <Sarvatt> it reloads gnome-panel and crap when you kill gnome-shell (or its supposed to at least)
[05:59] <Sarvatt> no clue on that one, i dont even have xephyr built on my xserver
[05:59] <DanaG> Still, I'd expect to see the gnome-shell stuff on top of compiz.
[06:00] <DanaG> compiz is a window manager... the shell thingy should be a desktop manager.
[06:00] <Sarvatt> no way
[06:00] <DanaG> "Hey, you kids, get off my lawn!"  -- where "lawn" is "desktop management"
[06:00] <Sarvatt> gnome-shell and compiz completely arent compatable
[06:00] <DanaG> I will never give up compiz.
[06:00] <Sarvatt> mutter is the window manager for gnome shell
[06:00] <Sarvatt> gnome shell replaces gnome panel and everything
[06:01] <DanaG> Sounds like a not-modular-enough design.
[06:01] <Sarvatt> its a plugin for mutter
[06:01] <DanaG> Oh, so the desktop stuff is a part of the WM itself?  That's even weirder.
[06:02] <DanaG> heh, I still get just xterm, xeyes, and xlogo, when running it in xephyr.
[06:02] <Sarvatt> yeah and they are pretty dead set against decoupling it so there probably isnt going to be much option with compiz post 3.0
[06:03] <DanaG> So then, screw gnome-shell.
[06:04] <DanaG> I've always been taught that coupling stuff that tightly is bad.
[06:04] <DanaG> Bad style, bad karma.  =þ
[06:04] <DanaG> Xlib:  extension "ATIFGLRXDRI" missing on display ":29.0".
[06:04] <DanaG> XD
[06:05] <Sarvatt> what happens when you just run gnome-shell without replace?
[06:05] <DanaG> I get a xephyr with xterm, xeyes, and xlogo.  That's it.
[06:05] <Sarvatt> ahhh
[06:05] <Sarvatt> you need dri, i guess fglrx doesnt work in xephyr
[06:06] <DanaG> oddly enough, glxinfo reports everything same as on the host.
[06:06] <DanaG> waitaminute
[06:06] <DanaG> that WAS the host I ran it in.
[06:06] <DanaG> =þ
[06:06] <Sarvatt> what xserver are you running?
[06:06] <DanaG> the nested, or the host?
[06:06] <Sarvatt> theres no xephyr in xorg-testing if you're using that so you'd be using the old karmic one
[06:07] <DanaG> 2:1.6.1.901-2ubuntu3
[06:07] <DanaG> random: http://git.fishsoup.net/cgit/xserver/diff/?id=5af73f98c46dfe5640185ca90feb20c39c6e06fa
[06:08] <Sarvatt> where did you get 2ubuntu3 from?
[06:08] <Sarvatt> thats xserver-xorg-core?
[06:09] <DanaG>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[06:09] <DanaG> so... I have no idea.
[06:09] <DanaG> oh, I know:
[06:09] <DanaG> I made it.
[06:09] <Sarvatt> aptitude show xserver-xorg-core is showing 2ubuntu2 in karmic
[06:09] <DanaG> I added the "don't backfill" patch, and tweaked the version.
[06:10] <DanaG> Because that 2-second lag on unminimize royally sucks.
[06:10] <DanaG> Built from the karmic one.
[06:13] <DanaG> oh yeah, and the effects I use in compiz, are not available anywhere else.
[06:16] <Sarvatt> which patch is that again?
[06:16] <DanaG> 107_fedora_dont_backfill_bg_none
[06:16] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/351186
[06:17] <Sarvatt> that patch shouldnt be relevant anymore in 1.6.1.901
[06:18] <DanaG> It was still lagging for me!
[06:18] <DanaG> Even on karmic.
[06:18] <Sarvatt> hmm
[06:18] <DanaG> It only stopped lagging when I re-patched it,.
[06:19] <DanaG> Anyway, all I'd ask of the gnome-devs, if they stubbornly refuse to separate the things, is that they also keep around the old ways, even if they don't (themselves) add new features anymore.
[06:19] <DanaG> I oughtta' post my compizconfig profile -- it's rather nifty.
[06:19] <DanaG> Fancy, but not über-flashy.
[06:21] <DanaG> If you decide to try it, export your own, first, of course.
[06:21] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Dana_Compiz.profile
[06:22] <Sarvatt> i'm surprised they havent fixed that in fglrx yet
[06:22] <DanaG> Or even just look at it in a text editor.
[06:22] <Sarvatt> i dont use compiz at all
[06:23] <DanaG> I've even used my preset on an RV200, and it worked decently well... as long as Benchmark plugin was active.
[06:23] <Sarvatt> sheesh, so many plugins no wonder you have problems :D
[06:23] <DanaG> Benchmark does some mysterious magical thing that changes everything.
[06:23] <DanaG> fgl_glxgears -fbo
[06:23] <DanaG> then rotate cube.
[06:23] <DanaG> Actually, not all are active.
[06:25] <Sarvatt> heres mine.. http://sarvatt.com/downloads/compiz.txt
[06:25] <Sarvatt> lol
[06:25] <DanaG> Actually, that's about the same, in terms of number of enabled plugins.
[06:25] <DanaG> I've just tweaked all of them, at least a little bit.
[06:26] <DanaG> Including showmouse.
[06:26] <DanaG> It's now a nifty little ring of fire.
[06:26] <Sarvatt> oh maybe thats not mine then, that might just be the default one it reverts to but i only have move image static switcher and wobbly turned on
[06:26] <DanaG> The animations are the most noticeable thing.
[06:26] <Sarvatt> wobbly only so i can tell its even on
[06:27] <DanaG> I especially like my menu animations.
[06:27] <Sarvatt> 1 workspace and i use VT's for everything, this is just a tiny netbook screen so i dont miss the stuff
[06:27] <DanaG> Hope you have KMS.  =þ
[06:28] <DanaG> On my laptop, KMS means too tiny -- no dpi-sensitivity on console.
[06:28] <Sarvatt> yepyep :)
[06:28] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot.png
[06:28] <Sarvatt> change the font in /etc/default/console-setup?
[06:28] <DanaG> Right now I'm on fglrx.  Lower power usage, and has 3D.
[06:29] <DanaG> Give my settings a try.  =þ
[06:29] <DanaG> I have my animation times set so they're visible, but don't make you wait.  =þ
[06:30] <DanaG> About the only exception is menus... I need to speed that up a bit.
[06:30] <Sarvatt> i will next time i'm on a normal laptop, havent turned any of them on lately because the abi got bumped in xserver master and my binary drivers wont work anymore :D
[06:30] <DanaG> Oh, and if you ever want to make yourself (or someone else) rather instantly nauseous, enable full-desktop motion blur.  =þ
[06:31] <DanaG> Weirdest screen resolution I've seen, just today: 1600x768.
[06:31] <Sarvatt> i dont think blur even works on 945GME
[06:31] <DanaG> Motion blur has several modes.
[06:32] <DanaG> 147 DPI == nicest screen I've ever used, anywhere.
[06:32] <DanaG> May not be the brightest, but it's surprisingly easy to see outdoors -- matte, not glossy.
[06:35] <DanaG> odd... colorfilter doesn't affect the desktop.
[06:36] <SwedeMike> DanaG: Sony Vaio W ?
[06:36] <DanaG> yeah, if that was it... I saw it in a Staples store.
[06:36] <DanaG> My laptop is an HP EliteBook 8530w.
[06:36] <DanaG> I wonder what the DPI on that Sony would be.
[06:37] <DanaG> no, that wasn't it, actually.
[06:37] <SwedeMike> ah, no Vaio P probably
[06:37] <SwedeMike> http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/sonys-vaio-p-mark-2-hopefully-learns-from-past-mistakes/
[06:37] <DanaG> ah, yeah.
[06:38] <DanaG> "And that resolution? It's pretty dang squint-inducing, but for some reason it's clear enough to actually be usable, and if it's not there are zoom in and out function keys to make the experience a bit easier on the eyes -- just make sure to get your glasses prescription checked before you drive yourself to blindness."
[06:38] <DanaG> Ummm... ever heard of DPI SCALING?
[06:38] <DanaG> Sorry, that really irks me whenever I see people assume that high-dpi automatically means tiny text.
[06:39] <DanaG> It only means tiny text... if you don't tell your OS what DPI the screen actually IS.
[06:39] <SwedeMike> on XP it does, the DPI scaling just doesnt work
[06:39] <RAOF> Wheras what it _actually_ means is normal sized text, that's easier to read :)
[06:39] <SwedeMike> I just want to cry when I see people running their 1680x1050 or 1280x1024 screens at 1024x768 because otherwise the text is too small
[06:40] <SwedeMike> and it just looks crap
[06:40] <DanaG> Vista and 7 do a lot better at it.
[06:40] <DanaG> Most in-box apps work fine.
[06:40] <DanaG> Biggest broken things on Linux are often closed-source things, like the Xilinx tools.
[06:40] <DanaG> And on Windows, it's things like Appple.
[06:41] <SwedeMike> I'm still looking for 2560x1600 screen that might be like 20-22"
[06:41] <SwedeMike> or at least 1920x1200 screen in 17"
[06:41] <DanaG> For desktop?
[06:41] <SwedeMike> yes.
[06:41] <DanaG> Good luck.
[06:41] <SwedeMike> too bad nobody makes those laptop screens in desktop form
[06:41] <DanaG> About the only thing I've seen is people buying a laptop LCD and an LCD controller.
[06:41] <DanaG> 700 bucks.  :(
[06:41] <SwedeMike> yeah, I've heard that too
[06:42] <DanaG> The 16:9 thing really pisses me off, too -- picture taking my panels, and moving them inwards another panel-width.
[06:44] <DanaG> Oh, and Win7 actually detected high-DPI automatically, for me.
[06:44] <DanaG> At least, I seem to remember it doing so.
[06:48] <DanaG> 0x00007ffff66daf33 in fftw_execute (p=0x0) at execute.c:24
[06:48] <DanaG> 24	execute.c: No such file or directory.
[06:48] <SwedeMike> yeah, vista and win7 is supposed to have the scaling thing working well
[06:50] <DanaG> Though I use "xp-style" (i.e. not the rescaled-surface) method.
[06:51] <DanaG> I'll never go back to a lower-DPI display (if I can avoid it),
[06:51] <DanaG> .
[06:52] <DanaG> http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
[06:52] <DanaG> wow, that Sony is 220 DPI.
[06:52] <DanaG> Daaaayum.
[06:53] <SwedeMike> 1920x1200 @ 15.4 seems like a really nice resolution
[06:54] <SwedeMike> only 150 ppi, but that's ok
[06:54] <Sarvatt> this netbook is 133, nice
[06:54] <DanaG> 150 is nice, in that things that DO break... don't break toooooo horribly.
[06:54] <SwedeMike> I have 125 on my laptop
[06:54] <DanaG> Oh, and Linux font rendering is one of the biggest reasons I stay with Linux.
[06:55] <DanaG> The features of PulseAudio are another.
[06:55] <DanaG> Things like fast boot are there too, of course.
[06:55] <DanaG> Oh, and can't forget compiz.  And my nice bright orange theme.
[06:56] <SwedeMike> 1280x800 @ 5.6   270 ppi
[06:57] <DanaG> Oh yeah, another thing I hate: 1280x1024.  5:4.
[06:57] <DanaG> Whoever thought of that... should be forced to shove a rectangular block into a square hole, over and over.
[06:57] <DanaG> Or rather, the other way around.
[06:57] <DanaG> a 1280x1024 cube into a 4:3, 1280x960 hole.
[06:58] <DanaG> Oh, and 640x400 is 16:10, by the way.
[07:10] <DanaG> speaking of high resolution... this site has ludicrously high-resolution scans of things:  http://moe.imouto.org/ -- but watch out, you may want to search both keyword and "rating=safe".  =þ
[07:10] <DanaG> or rather, colon, not equals.
[07:23] <DanaG> oh yeah, also note that my theme is non-shiny.  =þ
[09:23] <actafool> how to update from 9.04 to 9.10 ?
[09:24] <actafool> ?
[09:24] <TheInfinity> actafool: if you ask this you should not upgrade.
[09:25] <actafool> hah ;)
[09:25] <actafool> why not
[09:25] <TheInfinity> 9.10 is alpha which means you have to solve problems for yourself
[09:25] <TheInfinity> and there are lots of probs in this stage
[09:25] <actafool> aha
[09:25] <actafool> ..
[09:25] <actafool> okay then i wont
[09:25] <actafool> but anyway can someone tell my why my display flickering
[09:25] <actafool> i installed vcard drivers
[09:26] <TheInfinity> if you can handle your pc with cli only you can start upgrading, otherwise i would stay at jaunty
[09:26] <actafool> i just wanna test 9.10
[09:26] <actafool> because of my display flickering
[09:26] <actafool> tried so much ways to fix it .. but no success
[09:26] <TheInfinity> test a live cd
[09:27] <actafool> i should try
[09:27] <TheInfinity> and i think you have xorg.conf probs which means you have to solve these in jaunty
[09:27] <actafool> well
[09:27] <actafool> where is this prob
[09:27] <actafool> ..
[09:27] <actafool> the only thing that comes in my brain
[09:27] <actafool> is the refresh rate
[09:28] <actafool> its lower than my requirements
[09:28] <TheInfinity> yea. you can set it in xorg.conf. please visit ubuntu.com wiki for a solution or ask in #ubuntu
[09:28] <actafool> okay thanks
[10:00] <eagles0513875> in karmic with tune2fs is there a way to convert from an ext3 to ext4 file system. im noticing there is a way you can add a journal which ext3 and 4 already have. is there another way to convert to an ext4
[10:01] <SwedeMike> eagles0513875: yes.
[10:02] <eagles0513875> how can i do that
[10:03] <SwedeMike> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=convert+ext3+to+ext4&l=1
[10:08] <eagles0513875> think ill stick with ext3 for now
[10:08] <eagles0513875> was just curious about that
[10:25] <yofel> *sigh* could sombody from the kernel devs explain me why the kernel still has a broken hdaps module while we have the source for the working one as a package in the repository?
[10:30] <Ian_> eagles0513875: you could just mount your ext3 as ext4.
[10:31] <eagles0513875> Ian_: really how
[10:31] <yofel> eagles0513875: change 'ext3' to 'ext4' in your fstab ;)
[10:31] <Ian_> yah :p
[10:31] <eagles0513875> so no reformatting or any rebuilding of the filesystem doesnt need to be done
[10:32] <Ian_> shouldn't need it
[10:32] <Ian_> WARNING! Once you run following commands, the filesystem will no longer be mountable using the ext3.
[10:32] <Ian_> in that article
[10:32] <eagles0513875> ya
[10:32] <Ian_> ext4 is backwards compatible, no?
[10:32] <eagles0513875> not sure actually
[10:32] <Ian_> it's also out of date
[10:32] <eagles0513875> what is the article
[10:32] <Ian_> read it?
[10:33] <eagles0513875> what is the link again sry i had to reboot my pc
[10:33] <yofel> Ian_: ext4 is backwards compatible if you don't use extents. Once you switch extents on you can't go back
[10:33] <Ian_> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-convert-ext3-to-ext4-file-system.html
[10:33] <Ian_> aha ok
[10:34] <eagles0513875> so basically all i need to do is edit the fstab and i should be good to go
[10:34] <yofel> That's why if you want a 'clean' ext4 fs you'll have to reformat, or rather re-write all data after the change. If you don't you'll have the old data without extents and the new with extents.
[10:35] <yofel> I personally have a clean formatted root and a switched home :P
[10:38] <eagles0513875> blarg is it available on jaunty ?
[10:39] <eagles0513875> cuz i did an upgrade from jaunty to karmic alpha 2
[10:39] <yofel> ext4 is available in jaunty since it was officially release with kernel 2.6.28
[10:40] <yofel> *released
[10:40] <eagles0513875> ok then i guess a reformat is in the works
[13:14] <afv> anyone using AWN?
[13:32] <Q-FUNK> are auto-syncs from Debian already disabled at this point?
[14:36] <eagles0513875> is there a way in karmic where i can map the windows key to open the kmenu
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> eagles0513875 - not that i'm aware of
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> the windows key (or "super" key) is just another modifier key, like ctrl or shift
[14:39] <eagles0513875> windows key
[14:39] <eagles0513875> that would be a plus to be able to do
[14:39] <eagles0513875> and to have
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> windows key and super key are the same thing;)
[14:39] <eagles0513875> ahhh my bad
[14:39] <eagles0513875> i always knew it as the windows key
[14:42] <Hobbsee> i think there is a way to do it.  I don't know how, though
[14:42] <Hobbsee> google likely knows
[14:43] <eagles0513875> ill search on there just woke up from nice long nap and have no idea what possed me to think about the windows key
[14:43] <eagles0513875> hope all is well with you Hobbsee
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> eagles0513875 - i just tried it here
[14:44] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> it's actually as simple as just going to System -> Preferences -> Keyboard shortcuts;)
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> it seems to work ok
[14:45] <chrisccoulson> the only issue is that other shortcuts that rely on the super key as a modifier (eg, some in compiz) seem to stop working
[14:45] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[14:45] <eagles0513875> cant ya change those shortcuts in compiz though
[14:47] <Hobbsee> if you want to hange all of them, cue
[14:47] <Hobbsee> *sue
[14:47] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:48] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: you might be able to answer this. at least for me there is a bug with the current plasma-widget-network-manager in karmic i know some alternatives for instance wicd could that be installed side by side with the nm widget
[14:49]  * Hobbsee adds punctuation whee appopiate, and still sees nothing to answe.
[14:50]  * eagles0513875 stops while im ahead
[14:50] <Hobbsee> good idea, pehaps
[14:50]  * Hobbsee heads off to find deset.
[14:51]  * eagles0513875 goes hunting for the svn repo that the plasm-widget-network-manager is in
[15:39] <shane_fagan> Is evolution crashing for everyone when it uses the dictionary ?
[15:40] <maxb> I have a weird problem - Could someone try to reproduce, by dragging their firefox bookmarks around in the sidebar, and see if the place where they drop is way above where the mouse pointer actually is?
[15:41] <shane_fagan> maxb: I dont understand the problem
[15:43] <maxb> When I drag and drop a bookmark, firefox believes the mouse is several rows above where it actually is, during the drag]
[15:44] <shane_fagan> maxb: Ok ill give it a try
[15:44] <shane_fagan> Nope im not getting it
[15:45] <maxb> hm
[15:46] <maxb> I'm getting it on two separate machines
[15:47] <shane_fagan> What architecture ?
[15:48] <maxb> i386 & amd64
[15:48] <shane_fagan> Hmm thats strange and you have all the updates installed on both machine ?
[15:48] <shane_fagan> *machines
[15:49] <maxb> Yup, and I bet you don't, because rolling back the last gtk+2.0 update fixes it :-)
[15:49] <shane_fagan> Oh I just looked at it again and its doing the same for me
[15:50] <shane_fagan> I dont use the sidebar at all so its not really a problem
[15:50] <shane_fagan> Its strange though
[15:51] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:52] <shane_fagan> BluesKaj: hey
[15:52] <BluesKaj> hey shane_fagan
[15:54] <shane_fagan> maxb: So thats a bug anyway did you check if there was a report filed about it?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> splittsville .. but just a small one
[16:29] <arand> What is the name of the installer program used on the alternate install CD, ubiquity is the live one, but I can figure out the other...
[17:13] <baddger> hi
[17:15] <baddger> when computer starts and login window is displayed, mouse cursor stays in processing mode. is it normal ?
[17:16] <baddger> mouse cursor only changes to normal once over textbox area.
[17:20] <veck> is software sources broken mine will not open?
[17:28] <BluesKaj> veck, in the konsole/terminal , sudo aptitude update , then sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[17:29] <Ian_> apt-get
[17:29] <Ian_> :p
[17:29] <Ian_> what's the diffrence between the two?
[17:30] <BluesKaj> Ian_, apt is fine , but aptitude does a better job with the dependencies IMO
[17:32] <BluesKaj> Ian_, and the newer sources that require authentication keys
[17:45] <BluesKaj> ok BBL ..gotta mow the lawn before it rains , again
[18:29] <yofel> hi folks
[18:31] <yofel> IMHO apt-get is nice and command based they're pretty close, but full aptitude is almost synaptic for terminal.
[18:31] <yofel> and really does a much better job at handling dep's
[18:32] <yofel> waaah, one day not at home and I get ~150 updates o.O
[18:33] <reto`> yofel: it also features vi bindings... nice
[18:33] <yofel> ah, most of them kde ^^
[18:33] <yofel> reto`: yup, great, isn't it :D
[18:36] <BUGabundo> yofel: +1
[18:36] <BUGabundo> I'm purging all xul and all Firefox I have!
[18:36] <yofel> hi BUGabundo
[18:36] <yofel> huh? what happend?
[18:36] <BUGabundo> trying to fix this damn crashs and lost tabs
[18:36] <BUGabundo> I close pages, and tabs remain
[18:36] <yofel> o.O
[18:37] <BUGabundo> also removing ALL usplash!
[18:37] <BUGabundo> lets see if grub2 now tries to use it AHAHAH
[18:37] <charlie-tca> good luck with that one
[18:38] <yofel> I would remove it if ubuntu-desktop wouldn't depend on it :/
[18:38] <reto`> BUGabundo: what crashes you hav?
[18:38] <BUGabundo> reto`: way too many to enumerate now
[18:39] <BUGabundo> I'll be leaving in a few min
[18:39] <charlie-tca> You don't need the desktop package anyway until you upgrade from karmic to ??
[18:39] <reto`> BUGabundo: random log out when using the keyboard?
[18:39] <BUGabundo> yofel: you still have ubuntu-desktop ? lol
[18:40] <BUGabundo> reto`: not me. never got loggout
[18:40] <reto`> BUGabundo: I had that problem... comes from gdm... the fixed gdm and now that's ok
[18:41] <reto`> installed
[19:14] <billybigrigger> howdy all
[19:38] <yofel> ... I would like to know who's reponsible for acpi on eeePCs so I could hit him, who would start charging a battery that's 99% charged o.O
[19:40] <billybigrigger> hehe
[19:40] <billybigrigger> did you figure out your pan problem yofel ?
[19:40] <yofel> billybigrigger: nope, and I somehow think both issues are related...
[19:42] <billybigrigger> hmm
[19:42] <billybigrigger> not knowing much about acpi here
[19:46] <yofel> well, I don't care that much about the fan. It's quite silent and it's not like I would save that much power by turning it off.
[19:46] <yofel> The battery charging issue is more of a problem, since it reduces battery life :(
[19:46] <billybigrigger> the fact of your fan running slow could start giving you heat issues
[19:47] <billybigrigger> specially in a laptop where cooling design is not that great to begin with
[19:47] <billybigrigger> and yeah, i can see the frustration on the battery, maybe run it without the battery plugged into the wall while your sitting at home? just until you figure out the problem
[19:48] <yofel> hm, good idea, i'll do that for now
[20:01] <veck> any way to install the nvidia 185.18.14 drivers from the terminal?
[20:01] <billybigrigger> install nvidia-glx-180
[20:01] <billybigrigger> ?
[20:01] <yofel> veck: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 should do it
[20:02] <veck> ty much
[20:02] <BUGabundo> boas tardes
[20:02] <billybigrigger> veck, what does apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-180 say?
[20:03] <veck> billybigrigger: nvidia-glx-180:
[20:03] <veck>   Installed: (none)
[20:03] <veck>   Candidate: 185.18.14-0ubuntu3
[20:03] <veck>   Version table:
[20:03] <veck>      185.18.14-0ubuntu3 0
[20:03] <veck>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/restricted Packages
[20:03] <BUGabundo> WOOT
[20:03] <billybigrigger> there ya go
[20:04] <BUGabundo> got read of those darn usplash
[20:04] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, howdy
[20:04] <veck> sry shouldve pastebinned it
[20:04] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger:  I unistalled all usplash  I had
[20:04] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:04] <billybigrigger> veck, just the installed/candidate was all i was after
[20:04] <BUGabundo> and funny thing, boot seemed faster
[20:04] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, chart it
[20:04] <BUGabundo> !pastebin > veck
[20:05] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: I have all my charts since hardy
[20:05] <BUGabundo> LOL
[20:05] <BUGabundo> let me upload this one
[20:05] <veck> read the text i said im sorry!
[20:06] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/
[20:06] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: It has always been faster to boot without the usplash, I think
[20:07] <BUGabundo> but I never use them. I removed it from grub
[20:07] <BUGabundo> now grub2 forced it, and I saw no easy way to un-splash
[20:07] <BUGabundo> uninstalling was one way
[20:08] <BUGabundo> and it seemed faster
[20:08] <charlie-tca> ahh
[20:08] <billybigrigger> i dont see one for 7/11
[20:09] <BUGabundo> but I'm uploading last two days
[20:09] <BUGabundo> so will see numbers and not _feelings_ In a bit
[20:09] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: calm down eheh
[20:12] <veck> billybigrigger: here is what happens when i type sudo apy-get install nvidia-glx-180 http://pastebin.com/mf401af7
[20:14] <BUGabundo> veck: apy or apt?
[20:15] <veck> BUGabundo: dude your annoying do you not ever do anything wrong or do you just like corrcting ppl?
[20:16] <BUGabundo> veck: you have synaptic opened
[20:16] <BUGabundo> duh
[20:16] <BUGabundo> or some other apt running
[20:16] <BUGabundo> veck: can't you take a joke? if not you will also gladly join my ignore list :\
[20:19]  * charlie-tca agrees with BUGabundo. Synaptic or aptitude is running also
[20:20] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I really dislike ppl complaining and not enjoying all our help :(
[20:20] <billybigrigger> veck, pretty ballsy to come in here asking for help and ragging on the people who are helping you
[20:20] <BUGabundo> don't want to sound like the #pidgin devs, but sometimes user support _sucks_
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Now that we have that out of our systems,
[20:21] <charlie-tca> veck: did you find the open app?
[20:22] <BUGabundo> we spend so much energy on providing help, and this is what we get :(
[20:22] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: dropped to 2G. so upload will take a bit longer
[20:22] <charlie-tca> I know, I know
[20:22] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, 1:37 to boot!!!! :O
[20:22] <charlie-tca> and then we go through it all over again, too!
[20:22] <BUGabundo> no
[20:22] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: that's PAST GDM
[20:22] <billybigrigger> ahhh
[20:22] <BUGabundo> I've hacked my bootchart for it to mesure extra stuf
[20:23] <billybigrigger> so whats grub to gdm then?
[20:23] <BUGabundo> but yeah, takes me a while until I can actually *use* my laptop. that's why I hate to reboot
[20:23] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: check the chart! you see when gdm starts
[20:23] <charlie-tca> I autoboot my desktops at 5:30 am so I don't have to wait when I get up
[20:24] <billybigrigger> ~27s?
[20:24] <billybigrigger> charlie-tca is a thinker
[20:24] <billybigrigger> haha
[20:24] <BUGabundo> opps. we scared him way !
[20:24] <charlie-tca> well, crap
[20:24] <derekS> he guys, my sound card in karmic is making a popping sound which is driving me CRAZY. I know it has to do with the power savings, but is there a way to turn this off?
[20:24] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I want to AUTO login! gdm won't let me do it
[20:25] <charlie-tca> I want to know if it worked or not
[20:25] <derekS> i already submitted this to launchpad
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Heh, I know
[20:25]  * BUGabundo charlie-tca is a energy spender! :(
[20:25] <charlie-tca> I had it when I upgraded, and it stayed
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Now I can't not autologin
[20:25] <BUGabundo> derekS: can you please install pavucontrol
[20:25] <BUGabundo> and check if it is not above 100% ?
[20:26] <BUGabundo> derekS: are there any power savings settings in karmic? mine are all brojne
[20:26] <BUGabundo> not even battery indicator is working
[20:26] <derekS> BUGabundo: there shouldn't be, its a desktop
[20:27] <BUGabundo> hey akgraner
[20:27] <BUGabundo> "(08:25:25 PM) derekS: I know it has to do with the power savings, "
[20:27] <derekS> BUGabundo: what shouldn't be above 100%? my output devices are at 100%
[20:27] <BUGabundo> derekS: acording to pavucontrol ?
[20:28] <BUGabundo> cause mine usually go up as high as 140%
[20:28] <derekS> BUGabundo: there was a i read saying the popping is a result of them putting the soundcard to sleep
[20:28] <derekS> BUGabundo: yeah in pavucontrol
[20:28] <derekS> its actually at 93%
[20:28] <billybigrigger> mine max out @ 100% in pavucontrol
[20:28] <BUGabundo> derekS: ok. then there isn't much I can help you !
[20:29] <BUGabundo> derekS: please join #ubuntu-audio-help, ping dtchen and wait for him to come back
[20:29] <derekS> BUGabundo: es of 5/26 I get a popping sound when ever the sound card is initialized or shuts down. I haven't had the problem before and my sound works okay. I am using a NVidia sound card (HDA NVidia) Conexant analog. All sound preferences set to auto detect. I get this pop sound even when sound is muted. What is the next step in stopping it from happening? I am using PA 0.9.15
[20:29] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: lucky you!
[20:29] <derekS> Thank you in advance.
[20:29] <derekS> err
[20:29] <derekS> sorry
[20:29] <derekS> BUGabundo: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1173122.html
[20:29] <derekS> will join there
[20:30] <billybigrigger> man i love minefield
[20:30] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: upload almost done
[20:30] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:30] <billybigrigger> blows ff 3.0 out of the water in startup time
[20:30] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: is it working?
[20:30] <billybigrigger> has been working here for me for almost a week
[20:30] <BUGabundo> mine is gettign stupid and not closing tabs :(
[20:30] <BUGabundo> started yesterday
[20:31] <BUGabundo> mozillateam say its works ok for them
[20:31] <billybigrigger> oh ya? no problems here
[20:31] <BUGabundo> :(
[20:31] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[20:31] <BUGabundo> I purged it and reinstalled
[20:31] <BUGabundo> no change
[20:31] <billybigrigger> start a new profile?
[20:31] <BUGabundo> even happens in safe mode
[20:31] <billybigrigger> then copy your bookmarks/preferences over to the new profile and delete the old on
[20:31] <billybigrigger> one
[20:31] <BUGabundo> so its not a profile thingy
[20:31] <billybigrigger> hmm
[20:32] <billybigrigger> its just a BUGabundo thingy
[20:32] <billybigrigger> :P
[20:32] <billybigrigger> haha
[20:32] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, how slow are your uploads? or how huge are your chart.png's :P
[20:33] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: bootchart upload done!
[20:33] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: I still have a 147MiBs queue uploading
[20:33] <BUGabundo> and I'm rsyncing daily isos
[20:33] <BUGabundo> *over* 3G ehehe
[20:33] <billybigrigger> 7/11-2?
[20:33] <BUGabundo> 45.1kB/s up right now
[20:34] <billybigrigger> ouch
[20:34] <billybigrigger> :P
[20:34] <BUGabundo> 200KB/s down
[20:34] <billybigrigger> :(
[20:34] <BUGabundo> see any speed change?
[20:34] <billybigrigger> i don't want to tell you mine :P
[20:34] <billybigrigger> 2mb down/120k up :P
[20:35] <billybigrigger> looking now
[20:37] <BUGabundo> but that's mega bits! I talking in bytes/sec
[20:37] <BUGabundo> hey BluesKaj
[20:37] <billybigrigger> looks the same
[20:38] <BluesKaj> hey BUGabundo
[20:38] <BUGabundo> so it was just a _feeling_
[20:38] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:38] <billybigrigger> well i get ~1950kb/s down, and 120kb/sec up
[20:38] <billybigrigger> unless im looking at the charts wrong
[20:38] <billybigrigger> but it looks like gdm kicks in ~27s both times
[20:39] <billybigrigger> be back in 30, need to get that lawn mowed before the rain comes
[20:39] <BUGabundo> ahahaha
[20:40] <BluesKaj> my neighbour is running his wifi unsecured ...warned him about it . Then he asked : "if other ppl use my connection will it slow down ?"   DUH!  :)
[20:41] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[20:41] <yofel> not that my 2 neighbours that use WEP are better :P
[20:41] <BUGabundo> great finish rsyincing x64 and x86 daily images
[20:41] <BluesKaj> have fun billybigrigger ..I just got mine done
[20:41] <BUGabundo> now I just have to wait for new 1.5TiB disk to do a fresh install
[20:42] <charlie-tca> w00t
[20:43] <charlie-tca> Should be a warning for karmic: Gnumeric is broken, your data is still there, but you can't see it
[20:46] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, how's amarok coming along ...still broken on the new kernel ?
[20:46] <BluesKaj> thank god for VLC :)
[20:47] <BUGabundo> I don't use amarok
[20:47] <BUGabundo> I've got vlc 1.0 from a PPA
[20:47] <BUGabundo> ahah
[20:52] <BluesKaj> yup, c-korn
[20:53] <BUGabundo> yep
[20:53] <BUGabundo> you know him?
[20:57] <veck> just wanted to say thank's to the ppl who helped me install my nvidea driver !
[20:58] <BluesKaj> nope, dunno c-korn
[20:58] <veck> it is compiled and working fine now thnx again
[20:59] <BluesKaj> which driver , veck ?
[21:00] <veck> BluesKaj:  nvidia-glx-180
[21:00] <BUGabundo> veck: great!
[21:01] <BluesKaj> no need to compile that one , just sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-180
[21:01] <veck> BUGabundo: thank you to didnt mean to piz anyone off!
[21:02] <veck> BluesKaj: yeah it compiled itself with all patches and stuff
[21:02] <BUGabundo> veck: np
[21:03] <veck> BUGabundo: I am trying to learn linux but I am still a novice user
[21:03]  * BluesKaj scratches his head ..
[21:03] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: nvm
[21:04] <BUGabundo> do you guys remember nol? this doesn't work for me :( http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7594743&postcount=331
[21:05] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, his help didn't really fix my webcam either
[21:05] <billybigrigger> i use a different driver altogether
[21:05] <BUGabundo> I know
[21:08] <Sarvatt> billybigrigger: some progress! webcam modules are loading fine now here, but theres no /dev/video0 being created
[21:10] <BUGabundo> im trying  sudo depmod -a          /lib/modules/$(uname  -r)/kernel/drivers/media/video but its not working cross-reboot
[21:10] <BUGabundo> :(
[21:10]  * BluesKaj watches the thunderheads build in the NE
[21:32] <yofel> wow, a few days ago I had a system load of ~780, now my system is topping it by far: load average: 2586.16, 2586.17, 2586.17
[21:34] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, sudo depmod -a /lib/modules/2.6.31-2-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/ does nothing for me
[21:35] <BUGabundo> yofel: *that's* impossible values!
[21:35] <Tekno>  
[21:35] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: did you reboot?
[21:35] <billybigrigger> no
[21:35] <BUGabundo> Tekno:
[21:35] <yofel> BUGabundo: *that* I know, but thats what it says!
[21:35] <BUGabundo> yofel: *where* does it say that?
[21:37] <yofel> BUGabundo: http://imagebin.ca/view/scfzthV.html
[21:37] <yofel> and it's not a top issue since /proc/loadavg reports the same
[21:38] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:38] <billybigrigger> top - 14:38:48 up  2:06,  2 users,  load average: 0.32, 0.24, 0.12
[21:39] <BUGabundo> $ w 21:39:44 up  1:47,  5 users,  load average: 0.36, 0.65, 0.71
[21:40] <BUGabundo> but if I let my CPU on ondemand it goes up to 2.4GHz
[21:40] <BUGabundo> and won't come down
[21:40] <BUGabundo> very stupid since I don't have any load :x
[21:41] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, reboot needed after that depmod line?
[21:43] <BUGabundo> dunno
[21:43] <BUGabundo> I just want my webcam to work
[21:43] <BUGabundo> and I really don't want to reboot :(
[21:44] <billybigrigger> i thought you had it running?
[21:45] <billybigrigger> you using daily kernel?
[21:46] <BUGabundo> no
[21:46] <billybigrigger> what broke it then?
[21:48] <BUGabundo> ah??
[21:48] <BUGabundo> noting brake it
[21:48] <BUGabundo> but it seems it won't resist to reboot :(
[21:48] <billybigrigger> oh
[21:49] <BUGabundo> can't I just LOAD it ???
[21:49] <billybigrigger> how do i compile a daily kernel after installing the headers/source
[21:49] <billybigrigger> ?
[21:49] <billybigrigger> or create the linux image
[21:50] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, im pretty sure my webcam modules always loaded, and i have a /dev/video0, just garbled image
[21:51] <billybigrigger> http://imagebin.ca/view/h_w6RVpo.html
[21:52] <BUGabundo> I have no /dev/video :(
[21:52] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.ca/1491999
[21:55] <BUGabundo>  lsmod | grep video | pastebinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/215736/
[21:56] <Sarvatt> ah, they werent loading at all for me and i was getting flooded with usb errors
[21:56] <billybigrigger> so what error do you get from syslog when you load up cheese?
[21:56] <Sarvatt> but now thats fixed, but i dont have a /dev/video0
[21:56] <billybigrigger> does your webcam's light go on?
[21:56] <billybigrigger> oh
[21:56] <billybigrigger> so cheese complains of no video devices now
[21:56] <billybigrigger> ?
[21:57] <Sarvatt> ERROR opening V4L interface: No such file or directory  in lucview
[21:57] <Sarvatt> cheese: ../../src/xcb_io.c:242: process_responses: Assertion `(((long) (dpy->last_request_read) - (long) (dpy->request)) <= 0)' failed.
[21:57] <Sarvatt> Aborted
[21:57] <Sarvatt> in cheese
[21:57] <BUGabundo> cheese is very sensible to bad drivers
[21:58] <billybigrigger> do we have any other webcam apps to use besides cheese?
[21:58] <billybigrigger> i've never looked for any
[21:58] <billybigrigger> cheese usually worked fine, so i had no need
[21:58] <BUGabundo> camonara
[21:59] <BUGabundo> and I use CLI
[21:59] <BUGabundo> gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src ! ffmpegcolorspace ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-rgb, width=800, height=600 ! pngenc compression-level=9 ! filesink location=foo.png
[21:59] <billybigrigger> well the chances of mine working in anything is pretty slim
[21:59] <afv> i'm having that problem with cheese too. it was working.. like.. 2 days ago..
[22:00] <afv> it does open, the webcam light goes on, then crashes (before showing any picture)
[22:01] <afv> $ cheese
[22:01] <afv> (cheese:23147): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_util_uint64_scale_int: assertion `denom > 0' failed
[22:01] <afv> cheese: ../../src/xcb_io.c:242: process_responses: Assertion `(((long) (dpy->last_request_read) - (long) (dpy->request)) <= 0)' failed.
[22:01] <afv> Aborted
[22:02] <BUGabundo> afv: try $ gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src ! ffmpegcolorspace ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-rgb, width=800, height=600 ! pngenc compression-level=9 ! filesink location=foo.png
[22:03] <afv> it saved the picture
[22:03] <afv> with some errors on the console
[22:03] <afv> webcam is working fine with aMSN, for example
[22:03]  * BUGabundo ok I'm getting my self an ice cream. back in a few minutes
[22:05] <afv> BUGabundo, http://pastebin.com/d1e5578e1
[22:05] <billybigrigger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/215755/
[22:06] <derekS> is totem-gstreamer broken for anyone else? it will start, but it won't play
[22:07] <billybigrigger> damn, make errors trying to compile custom kernel :(
[22:07] <billybigrigger> i was hoping maybe a daily kernel would get this webcam working
[22:08] <charlie-tca> derekS: yes, as of yesterday when I found it
[22:08] <derekS> charlie-tca: so it doesn't work for you either :) great!
[22:22] <billybigrigger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/215764/
[22:22] <billybigrigger> anyone know how to fix that error?
[23:30] <veck> wow im loving the progress of 9.10
[23:31] <Q-FUNK> yeah, it's shaping up quite nicely
[23:31] <Q-FUNK> although it has to be said that the new GDM is horrible
[23:33] <veck> my biggest problem is withthe grub loader
[23:33] <veck> get the --no-floppy every time it updates
[23:35] <Wicla> try reinstalling grub into mbr veck
[23:35] <veck> ok ill try that thnx
[23:36] <billybigrigger> check out my wiki page
[23:36] <billybigrigger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#--no-floppy
[23:36] <billybigrigger> lots of good grub2 junk
[23:37] <Wicla> that only solves it temporarily until grub entries gets updated again
[23:38] <veck> Wicla: does that erase the normal boot-sector used by an OS
[23:39] <veck> Wicla: no biggy i dont mind editing grub it gives me something to do
[23:40] <veck> Wicla: I am legally blind and sit here all day on linux
[23:40] <Wicla> yes it writes itself into mbr. It solved that problem for me atleast. Had an older version of grub written into mbr. grub-install installs the latest