/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/11/#ubuntu+1.txt

soliva_	wo someone confirmed the AWN bug	00:07
soliva_	cool	00:07
soliva_	ops	00:07
=== soliva_ is now known as Bmw1000c
Bmw1000c	cool.	00:08
billybigrig	Bmw1000c: theres a post going on about it	00:11
billybigrig	i pasted the link to the bug to get it out there	00:11
billybigrig	i find it funny how forum users stick to forums and not irc, huge communication breakdown there haha	00:11
billybigrig	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1209542	00:12
* BUGabundo doesn't like forums		00:13
Twigathy	IRC++	00:13
Twigathy	the [near] instant response is rather better than forums :)	00:13
billybigrig	roger	00:14
billybigrig	seems more info to trade on here anyway...	00:14
Twigathy	ack, update-manager is doing its silly "busy" cursor thing again >:(	00:14
Twigathy	The stupid thing is, I can't look at the updates, but I can click "install updates" >_<	00:15
Twigathy	Anybody know how I ought to debug this?	00:15
billybigrig	nope :(	00:17
billybigrig	off to a bbq for some good eats and some brews	00:17
billybigrig	peace all	00:17
Bmw1000c	thanks billybigrigger	00:19
DanaG	hmm, Staples had that funky touchstyk-only laptop.	00:20
DanaG	Sony one.	00:20
DanaG	Netbook-ish.	00:20
DanaG	Screen was 1600x768.	00:20
Bmw1000c	wo	00:21
Twigathy	http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2w39e9j&s=3 <-- thing.	00:21
Twigathy	The updates themselves are not clickable, so I can't see the changes etc. :>	00:22
Bmw1000c	aptitude safe-upgrade?	00:22
Bmw1000c	$ sudo aptitude safe-upgrade	00:23
Bmw1000c	try it	00:23
Twigathy	well, sure, I can do something else... but the point is update-manager is broken :)	00:23
BUGabundo	Twigathy: or some update is	00:23
BUGabundo	my latop is a total mess	00:23
Twigathy	I can click 'install updates' and update-manager will correctly install the updates. It's just the list is greyed out and unselectable.	00:23
BUGabundo	python broken everywhere	00:23
BUGabundo	FF broken	00:24
Twigathy	fail :/	00:24
BUGabundo	PA broken	00:24
BUGabundo	Compiz broken	00:24
BUGabundo	kmail broken	00:24
Twigathy	my firefox and pulse are working (as far as you can say pulse works... stabstabstab)	00:24
BUGabundo	even my mouse scroll is broken	00:26
BUGabundo	:((	00:27
Twigathy	:S	00:27
BUGabundo	damn scroll button died today	00:27
Twigathy	oh, not a software issue then c_c	00:27
LLStarks	sup	00:30
LLStarks	can someone help me fix dpkg?	00:30
LLStarks	it won't upgrade.	00:30
BUGabundo	LLStarks: pastebin: $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade	00:31
BUGabundo	thanks	00:31
LLStarks	if i do that, i'll kill my upstart and my system	00:35
BUGabundo	why would it ?	00:35
LLStarks	it did earlier today	00:35
LLStarks	also, consider this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/397498	00:35
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 397498 in dpkg "package dpkg 1.14.24ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Incomplete]	00:35
BUGabundo	at least it should output what's wrong so we can see	00:35
LLStarks	i posted my output there	00:36
LLStarks	also, don't tell update their upstart yet.	00:36
LLStarks	it's not ready.	00:37
BUGabundo	Installed: 1.15.3.1ubuntu1	00:37
BUGabundo	Candidate: 1.15.3.1ubuntu1	00:37
BUGabundo	are you on karmic???	00:37
LLStarks	yes	00:37
BUGabundo	you can't be correct	00:37
BUGabundo	that's a very old package	00:37
LLStarks	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/397498/comments/7	00:38
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 397498 in dpkg "package dpkg 1.14.24ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Incomplete]	00:38
LLStarks	that's my output	00:38
BUGabundo	I'm reading it now	00:38
BUGabundo	does this still happen after reboot?	00:38
LLStarks	yes	00:38
LLStarks	for the past few days	00:38
LLStarks	unfixed	00:38
BUGabundo	very strange	00:39
BUGabundo	looks like a bad combo of packaged	00:39
BUGabundo	*packages	00:39
LLStarks	and i obviously can't purge then install	00:39
BUGabundo	what does safe-upgrade in simulation mode tell you ?	00:39
LLStarks	nothing useful	00:41
LLStarks	in apt-get or aptitude	00:41
LLStarks	the package is corrupt and multiple people agree	00:41
LLStarks	that's all there is to it	00:41
BUGabundo	ok	00:41
BUGabundo	then you may have to redownload it manually and force install it	00:41
BUGabundo	even on recovery console, if need be	00:42
LLStarks	rc didn't help	00:42
LLStarks	even in etroot	00:42
LLStarks	*netroot	00:42
BUGabundo	chroot?	00:44
LLStarks	tried	00:45
LLStarks	the package doesn't take. period.	00:45
LLStarks	and i am afraid to reboot right now because of the upstart updates	00:45
LLStarks	$10 bucks it won't boot	00:46
BUGabundo	ehhe	00:46
BUGabundo	worse case scenary: re-install	00:46
LLStarks	i had to chroot from a liveusb to fix	00:46
LLStarks	it's not fun	00:46
Twigathy	such is the bleeding edge :)	00:47
BUGabundo	LLStarks: Twigathy is right	00:47
BUGabundo	running a devel version you must be ready for breakage	00:47
LLStarks	thank science that i've picked up all these recovery tricks since i discovered ubuntu during the feisty dev cycle	00:47
BUGabundo	eheh	00:48
BUGabundo	we all have	00:48
Twigathy	yarr, I've learnt quite a bit about How Stuff Works just based on random package breakage (Usually my own fault - I run a heck of a weird system c_c)	00:48
BUGabundo	Twigathy: what does it have so special?	00:49
Twigathy	NFS root, for a start. It's also got a very very minimal set of packages installed. pulse is hacked up to run just as single user. /boot is on a partition which is kept unmounted most of the time...	00:49
Twigathy	Lots of potential for breakage every time I hit the magic 'update' button :D	00:50
BUGabundo	eheheeheheh	00:50
* BUGabundo off to bed		01:16
* cwillu pokes BUGabundo		01:16
akio	I'm wondering where my "Login Window" Button from gnome-control-center went?	02:14
Pici	https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/395299	02:15
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 395299 in gdm "gdm 2.26 has no graphical configuration tool" [Wishlist,Triaged]	02:15
Pici	akio: ^	02:15
akio	wow	02:16
akio	what about gdm.conf?	02:16
Pici	I'm not sure, I'd assume its still honored	02:19
DanaG	handy hint: return GDM to login screen, then switch to a TTY and:	02:22
DanaG	DISPLAY=:0 sudo -u gdm xterm	02:22
akio	DanaG, what does that do?	02:29
akio	open up an xterm as the gdm user?	02:30
DanaG	yeah.	02:30
DanaG	Then you can open gconf-editor, or gnome-appearance-properties.	02:30
DanaG	You can even set the "settings-manager" thing to do media (i.e. volume-up-down) keys.	02:30
akio	is that a bug?	02:30
DanaG	Whaddayamean?	02:31
DanaG	It's not any sort of vulnerability, because you have to have sudoer permissions to do that, anyway.	02:31
akio	nevermind, I didn't read slowly	02:31
DanaG	Handy hint: set theme and wallpaper the same as your desktop -- then it'll be extra nifty-spiffy.	02:33
SeveredCross	That doesn't work for those of us who use Desktop Drapes. :<	02:34
akio	I suppose you use a tiling window manager started by startx?	02:35
DanaG	Drapes?	02:35
DanaG	Whazzat?	02:35
DanaG	(sorry, I just like saying "zz" instead of "t's th".	02:35
akio	I was wondering how I would do an automatic login	02:37
akio	I didnt see a gdm.conf in /etc/gdm	02:37
akio	wait no	02:38
* akio whines too much		02:38
DanaG	I also dislike some aspects of the new GDM.	02:38
DanaG	Can't just type my name, for one.	02:38
akio	I don't share my computer anyway	02:39
akio	no like that	02:39
akio	I have a separate firefox profile for my wife	02:39
akio	ok, it was still in the locate db, but it isn't currently in /etc/gdm	02:40
akio	it moved or is no longer there	02:40
akio	/etc/dbus-1/system.d/gdm.conf ?	02:41
DanaG	hmm, check /etc/gdm/custom.conf	02:43
akio	but I don't know what to but in there, I'm checking the horses mouth	02:45
DanaG	http://www.perturb.org/display/entry/812/	02:47
DanaG	... but put them in custom.conf.	02:47
akio	I did that and it didn't take effect.	02:58
akio	Ahh the details	02:59
akio	in the daemon section	02:59
akio	that page did it	03:11
akio	it seems like gdm gets skipped altogether, I like this	03:11
akio	I love the intel optimizations in UNR	03:14
* DanaG wants to see if the updated thingamajobber (er, upstart) makes stuff boot faster.		03:15
akio	I thought upstart has been around for a while now	03:15
Sarvatt	i was looking forward to switching my netbook to lpia in karmic but they dropped the atom support patches in gcc and switched it to pentium-m arch to support some crappy celeron netbooks :(	03:19
SeveredCross	Fail!	03:23
DanaG	Now Karmic won't boot.	03:24
DanaG	Stops at "running scripts/init_bottom"	03:24
DanaG	Or rather, stops after printing it. CPU backtrace shows both cores doing cpu_idle.	03:24
DanaG	Well, glad I have my jaunty and karmic sharing a home... it's trivially easy to just go and boot the other one.	03:34
DanaG	ah, fixed it... had to upgrade upstart.	03:43
DanaG	upstart-compat-sysv got removed despite upstart not upgrading.	03:43
Sarvatt	ah yuck, upgraded meta without upgrading upstart then? how did you do the upgrade?	03:45
DanaG	Aptitude. =þ	03:45
DanaG	Looks like they got the conflicts right in one direction, but not in the other. Or something like that.	03:45
Sarvatt	aptitude upgrade?	03:45
DanaG	manual UI, shift-U.	03:45
DanaG	It suggested leaving upstart, rather than removing upstart-logd. =þ	03:46
Sarvatt	yuck, glad i use apt-get dist-upgrade then :D	03:47
levander	Any idea if virtualbox 3.0 is going to be included in Karmic?	03:47
levander	I just read it supports DirectX hardware acceleration, I'm blown away.	03:47
Sarvatt	i'm sure it will be	03:47
levander	When is the package freeze for Karmic?	03:47
Sarvatt	you can get it here for now https://edge.launchpad.net/~debfx/+archive/virtualbox	03:48
Sarvatt	september something?	03:48
levander	Sarvatt: Oh, there's plenty of time, great! Haven't been so excited about an Ubuntu release in a long time.	03:48
levander	I'm going to go look for Karmic screenshots. I haven't installed it yet.	03:48
DanaG	I tried it, the d3d didn't work.	03:49
DanaG	oR rather, not well at all.	03:49
DanaG	Many missing extensions.	03:49
Sarvatt	thats when the freeze for xorg drivers is at least, imagine its the same	03:49
levander	Yeah, I'm still figuring I'm going to have to make a Windows host, Ubuntu guest if I want to play games.	03:49
levander	But, that that's even available. Unbelievable. Never thought it would happen 15 years ago when I started using Linux.	03:50
Sarvatt	oh wow virtualbox 3.0.2 released today	03:51
Sarvatt	musta been a bad bug	03:51
levander	Ha, they stayed with the orange, but made it not so 1980's looking.	03:52
levander	I don't get what everbody is talking about "nice as a Mac UI". Is there any article I can read somewhere where they explain what those claims are about? Or, is it all hype?	03:52
Sarvatt	anyone have any experiences with 790GX 780G or nvidia 8200 chipsets under karmic? trying to decide on a new mobo and I dont know if any of those have problems in linux right now	03:54
Sarvatt	whatcha talking about levander?	03:55
levander	Grrr, scroll up, don't wanna re-type.	03:56
Sarvatt	kubuntu is probably what you're looking for if you want that type of UI, gnome doesnt really try to look like the other OSes	03:56
Sarvatt	i dont know what you mean by "they stayed with orange" or "nice as a mac UI"	03:57
Sarvatt	are you talking about ubuntu in general? or some app?	03:57
levander	Sarvatt: hold on, let me find a link to all the Mac OS hype.	03:57
levander	I saw some Karmic screenshots, it was all darker orange instead of the now bright-light orange.	03:57
levander	That's what I mean stayed with the orange.	03:57
Sarvatt	http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.3-rc2.php -- that probably looks closer to a mac than gnome	03:59
levander	I tried KDE a while back. Wasn't impressed. There were like 3 different applications you used to change the look. One for thems, another for icons, etc. In GNOME that's all in one place. And, the Start Menu on KDE, that always reminded me too much of Windows.	04:00
levander	After I noticed those 2 things, I uninstalled.	04:00
Sarvatt	yup I dont like it either for similar reasons :D	04:00
cwillu	I just don't like how everything starts with k	04:01
cwillu	makes the menus hard to read	04:01
levander	lots of GNOME stuff starts with 'g'.	04:01
cwillu	levander, most of it doesn't	04:01
cwillu	at least, not the menu names	04:01
Sarvatt	things look too cluttered in KDE for me	04:02
DanaG	and it's not Gthis Gthat Geverything Gtexteditor	04:02
DanaG	It's this and that and gedit.	04:02
levander	They use application file names, not like regular English names in the menus?	04:02
SeveredCross	DE is so cluttered, it's not even funny	04:02
SeveredCross	*KDE.	04:02
levander	Ha, yeah, that is annoying.	04:02
cwillu	gedit is the only one I can think of, and it's actually a pronounceable word :p	04:02
Sarvatt	gpointing-device-settings!	04:02
DanaG	oh, and now gparted.	04:02
Sarvatt	lol	04:02
cwillu	there, two :p	04:03
DanaG	I can never find it when I need it... it was previously "partition editor".	04:03
levander	And, it's called 'Text Editor' in the menus like it should be. Having gedit in there would be annoying..	04:03
DanaG	Kyourmom	04:03
DanaG	s/mom/face/	04:03
Sarvatt	gnome-shell is quite nice, if only I could adjust sizes on things so it wasnt so huge on this netbook screen	04:04
SeveredCross	I'm not really a fan of gnome-shell. It looks kinda ugly IMO.	04:04
SeveredCross	It has lots of potential, but as of now, it's kinda ugly.	04:05
cwillu	if I want a terminal window, I keep 8 of them open on my desktop like I already do :p	04:05
SeveredCross	I just use tabbed terminals.	04:05
Sarvatt	yeah i'll probably end up just using mutter for karmic, love clutter GL compositing without having to use compiz and succomb to all the bugs it causes :D	04:05
SeveredCross	mutter does have lots of potential.	04:05
SeveredCross	Can you replace metacity directly with mutter?	04:06
Sarvatt	yup using it right now	04:06
SeveredCross	Does GNOME Do work fine on it? If it does, I might switch to mutter.	04:07
Sarvatt	yeah it does	04:07
DanaG	Is it just me... or is this a mangled patch?	04:07
DanaG	http://www.mentby.com/Group/linux-kernel/patch-hpfallc-improvements-thoughts.html	04:07
DanaG	I haven't even tried gnome-shell, because I don't like the idea of something non-customizable.	04:07
SeveredCross	Sarvatt: Would there happen to be a mutter PPA?	04:08
Sarvatt	https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa	04:09
Sarvatt	was just about to link it when you asked	04:09
SeveredCross	You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.	04:09
Sarvatt	just mutter --replace works	04:09
DanaG	mutter mutter mutter... say, what is mutter?	04:09
SeveredCross	Metacity done in clutter.	04:09
akio	weird	04:10
akio	that sounds cool though	04:10
Sarvatt	its metacity with 3d compositing instead of the crappy old xrender metacity compositing	04:11
Sarvatt	3d compositing backend rather	04:11
SeveredCross	Anyone know how to speed up the reading database junk.	04:12
SeveredCross	It takes froever here, though I do have nearly 200,000 files.	04:12
akio	what database junk?	04:12
Sarvatt	e4defrag /var/cache/ ? :D	04:13
DanaG	!g mutter	04:13
ubottu	Sorry, I don't know anything about g mutter	04:13
DanaG	dang, no googlebot.	04:13
SeveredCross	Oof, mutter really fucked up.	04:16
SeveredCross	It crashed, and didn't restart metacity.	04:16
SeveredCross	Er, compiz.	04:16
cwillu	it's not responsible for restarting another window manager	04:16
Seeker`	SeveredCross: watch your language	04:16
akio	I figured it would do something like that	04:16
cwillu	that's what your session manager is fo	04:16
cwillu	for	04:16
Sarvatt	i dont use compiz, it replaces metacity fine at least	04:16
SeveredCross	My bad.	04:16
Sarvatt	i launch it from a VT with DISPLAY=:0 mutter --replace	04:17
SeveredCross	Sarvatt: Hmm.	04:17
SeveredCross	I would try that, except when I switch to a VT, I don't get a VT, I get a borked version of my X display.	04:17
Sarvatt	if it starts it will restart metacity again for you at least when it stops	04:17
SeveredCross	Odd. It's not restarting compiz. Oh well.	04:18
SeveredCross	Aha, now it's started.	04:19
SeveredCross	But it's a bit slow.	04:19
SeveredCross	And it crashed.	04:20
SeveredCross	Oh well.	04:20
DanaG	ugh, pulseaudio flat-volumes is damned confusing.	04:43
SeveredCross	Not to mention that it breaks Totem.	04:45
DanaG	And that earcandy thing, too.	04:45
DanaG	Makes it go lloOOOOUUUUUUDDDDD OH GOD MY EARS!	04:46
SeveredCross	It also breaks my LFE.	04:47
SeveredCross	:\|	04:47
DanaG	I say, if I have my app at 70% volume, and move it to a card that's at 50% volume... I don't want the card's volume to change!	04:47
DanaG	I want it to be 0.7 * 0.5.	04:47
Sarvatt	huh.. i must be blind because i swear it just kicked me back to grub instead of restarting doing a restart from gnome..	05:19
cwillu	Sarvatt, you missed that checkin? hal now simply writes 'b' to /proc/sysqr-trigger to reboot	05:25
cwillu	Sarvatt, the rationale was that any properly written application should have their state in a recoverable form anyway, and so this will flush out any remaining bugs in the system	05:25
* cwillu does his best to maintain a straight face		05:25
DanaG	Oh yeah, what's screwed-up about the upstart packaging: new version has BREAKS, but does _not_ have REPLACES.	05:27
Sarvatt	ohh that would be extra fun for people using ext4 too, they should backport that on jaunty :)	05:27
* cwillu blinks		05:28
* cwillu stabs Sarvatt with a "have you fixed my crappy acer's suspend yet?" stick		05:28
DanaG	oh yeahzz, does the gnome-shell PPA add a separate login item, or just replace?	05:29
DanaG	ugh, "mutter" effects are ugly.	05:31
DanaG	If I click a taskbar button to minimize a thing... I expect it to at least slightly move towards the taskbar in the animation.	05:31
DanaG	Otherwise it feels entirely too disconnected.	05:31
cwillu	DanaG, but the taskbar entry was already there, no? it'	05:31
DanaG	Oh, and closing is a horizonatl squish.	05:31
DanaG	Reminds me of when Vista was in beta, and windows actually seemingly "bubbled" up.	05:32
DanaG	Back then, it actually "overshot" the size before plopping down to normal. Made me a bit dizzy, in fact.	05:32
DanaG	Imagine if your doors randomly opened from the middle, instead of from the knob where you grabbed them. That's the sort of feeling I get.	05:34
Sarvatt	wow the depends on upstart are enough to make my head spin trying to follow how its handled by the different things :D	05:35
Sarvatt	Pre-Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, sysvinit-utils, sysv-rc, initscripts	05:36
Sarvatt	Replaces: sysvinit, upstart-compat-sysv, startup-tasks, system-services	05:36
Sarvatt	Conflicts: sysvinit, upstart-compat-sysv, startup-tasks, system-services	05:36
Sarvatt	Provides: upstart-compat-sysv, startup-tasks, system-services	05:36
DanaG	oh, and what's with notify-osd showing my bubble for 10 full seconds?	05:36
Sarvatt	you use gnome-shell --replace or mutter --replace	05:38
Sarvatt	guess you could do it through xephyr but i dont even build xephyr in the xserver i'm using	05:39
DanaG	hah, when I ran the xserver one, I got 3 things: xeyes, xterm, and one other thing I can't remember. That's it.	05:39
DanaG	er, xephyr one.	05:39
DanaG	http://pastebin.com/f3b969e7a	05:40
DanaG	that's with -r	05:40
Sarvatt	you dont have cogl installed?	05:41
DanaG	What's that?	05:41
DanaG	Whatever it was, it wasn't a dependency.	05:41
Sarvatt	hmm wonder what it is, its working fine here just tested it	05:42
DanaG	I got it from here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa	05:42
Sarvatt	install libclutter-0.9-dev?	05:44
Sarvatt	weird that it needs the dev package	05:44
DanaG	!find cogl	05:44
ubottu	File cogl found in libclutter-0.8-dev, libclutter-0.9-dev, python-clutter	05:44
Sarvatt	yeah 0.9-dev	05:45
DanaG	here's it in xephyr: http://pastebin.com/f50e7e0fa	05:46
DanaG	oh, now it works in -r.	05:47
DanaG	Ugh, it sucks.	05:47
DanaG	I click activities, I expect a menu, not laaaaag and OH HECK WHAT IS IT DOING?	05:47
DanaG	Try clicking it a bunch of times in rapid succession. =þ	05:47
DanaG	As I do, when I don't see a menu start appearing.	05:48
DanaG	There's a lag of 3/4 to 1 second.	05:48
DanaG	(ugh, and taking away all configurability of panel applets... is akin to a "sin".	05:49
DanaG	s/a sin/Apple/	05:49
DanaG	oh, and desktops have a "+", but not a "-".	05:49
Sarvatt_	ok i wasnt crazy, it just happened again.. flood of error messages about rc init stopping and continuing after it disconnected the system bus then it went back to grub	05:51
Sarvatt_	ya get it working DanaG?	05:51
DanaG	yeah.	05:51
DanaG	you missed my bit of a rant. =þ	05:52
DanaG	(09:47:01 PM) DanaG: oh, now it works in -r. (09:47:17 PM) DanaG: Ugh, it sucks. (09:47:37 PM) DanaG: I click activities, I expect a menu, not laaaaag and -- HEY, WHAT IS IT DOING? (09:47:51 PM) DanaG: Try clicking it a bunch of times in rapid succession. =þ (09:48:00 PM) DanaG: As I do, when I don't see a menu start appearing. (09:48:19 PM) DanaG: There's a lag of 3/4 to 1 second. (09:49:01 PM) DanaG:	05:53
Sarvatt_	eww, its not that bad here	05:54
Sarvatt_	and i'm on a crappy netbook	05:54
DanaG	And I have a "beefy" computer.	05:54
DanaG	It just sits there doing nothing for like 1/2 to 3/4 second.	05:54
DanaG	ugh, no tab-complete on alt-f2?	05:54
DanaG	... and no history.	05:54
Sarvatt_	what type of video are you on?	05:55
=== Sarvatt_ is now known as Sarvatt
DanaG	ATI.	05:55
DanaG	fglrx, on RV635.	05:55
Sarvatt	wouldn't be surprised if it was something crappy between clutter and fglrx	05:56
Sarvatt	yay something to look forward to if i get a 790GX motherboard :D	05:56
DanaG	790GX... what IGP does that have?	05:56
Sarvatt	3300	05:56
DanaG	Oh, and I load compiz... and everything's GONE!	05:57
DanaG	Even the alt-f2 stuff.	05:57
DanaG	Evil, I tell you.	05:57
Sarvatt	it starts metacity when you close gnome-shell, did you stop that too?	05:57
DanaG	I just did compiz --replace	05:57
DanaG	to see what it would do.	05:57
DanaG	The answer is: breaks everything.	05:57
DanaG	Because the gnome-shell doesn't play nicely with anything else.	05:57
Sarvatt	sounds like compiz --replace when you're using metacity compositing too :D	05:58
DanaG	It runs off and hides.	05:58
DanaG	No, that's different.	05:58
DanaG	Compiz loaded, and works.	05:58
Sarvatt	just control-c then control-c again and load your compiz	05:58
DanaG	But the alt-f2 to bring up a menu is not working.	05:58
DanaG	And all the buttons are gone.	05:58
DanaG	Ah, just had to re-open gnome-panel.	05:58
DanaG	The panel opens the alt-f2 thingy, not the WM? Odd.	05:59
Sarvatt	oh it must be how you killed gnome-shell	05:59
DanaG	oh, and gnome-shell in xephyr still gives me just xterm, xeyes, and xlogo.	05:59
Sarvatt	it reloads gnome-panel and crap when you kill gnome-shell (or its supposed to at least)	05:59
Sarvatt	no clue on that one, i dont even have xephyr built on my xserver	05:59
DanaG	Still, I'd expect to see the gnome-shell stuff on top of compiz.	05:59
DanaG	compiz is a window manager... the shell thingy should be a desktop manager.	06:00
Sarvatt	no way	06:00
DanaG	"Hey, you kids, get off my lawn!" -- where "lawn" is "desktop management"	06:00
Sarvatt	gnome-shell and compiz completely arent compatable	06:00
DanaG	I will never give up compiz.	06:00
Sarvatt	mutter is the window manager for gnome shell	06:00
Sarvatt	gnome shell replaces gnome panel and everything	06:00
DanaG	Sounds like a not-modular-enough design.	06:01
Sarvatt	its a plugin for mutter	06:01
DanaG	Oh, so the desktop stuff is a part of the WM itself? That's even weirder.	06:01
DanaG	heh, I still get just xterm, xeyes, and xlogo, when running it in xephyr.	06:02
Sarvatt	yeah and they are pretty dead set against decoupling it so there probably isnt going to be much option with compiz post 3.0	06:02
DanaG	So then, screw gnome-shell.	06:03
DanaG	I've always been taught that coupling stuff that tightly is bad.	06:04
DanaG	Bad style, bad karma. =þ	06:04
DanaG	Xlib: extension "ATIFGLRXDRI" missing on display ":29.0".	06:04
DanaG	XD	06:04
Sarvatt	what happens when you just run gnome-shell without replace?	06:05
DanaG	I get a xephyr with xterm, xeyes, and xlogo. That's it.	06:05
Sarvatt	ahhh	06:05
Sarvatt	you need dri, i guess fglrx doesnt work in xephyr	06:05
DanaG	oddly enough, glxinfo reports everything same as on the host.	06:06
DanaG	waitaminute	06:06
DanaG	that WAS the host I ran it in.	06:06
DanaG	=þ	06:06
Sarvatt	what xserver are you running?	06:06
DanaG	the nested, or the host?	06:06
Sarvatt	theres no xephyr in xorg-testing if you're using that so you'd be using the old karmic one	06:06
DanaG	2:1.6.1.901-2ubuntu3	06:07
DanaG	random: http://git.fishsoup.net/cgit/xserver/diff/?id=5af73f98c46dfe5640185ca90feb20c39c6e06fa	06:07
Sarvatt	where did you get 2ubuntu3 from?	06:08
Sarvatt	thats xserver-xorg-core?	06:08
DanaG	100 /var/lib/dpkg/status	06:09
DanaG	so... I have no idea.	06:09
DanaG	oh, I know:	06:09
DanaG	I made it.	06:09
Sarvatt	aptitude show xserver-xorg-core is showing 2ubuntu2 in karmic	06:09
DanaG	I added the "don't backfill" patch, and tweaked the version.	06:09
DanaG	Because that 2-second lag on unminimize royally sucks.	06:10
DanaG	Built from the karmic one.	06:10
DanaG	oh yeah, and the effects I use in compiz, are not available anywhere else.	06:13
Sarvatt	which patch is that again?	06:16
DanaG	107_fedora_dont_backfill_bg_none	06:16
DanaG	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/351186	06:16
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 351186 in fglrx-installer "[M76] [ubuntu 9.04] slow unminimizing with ati card and desktop effects enabled" [Undecided,Confirmed]	06:16
Sarvatt	that patch shouldnt be relevant anymore in 1.6.1.901	06:17
DanaG	It was still lagging for me!	06:18
DanaG	Even on karmic.	06:18
Sarvatt	hmm	06:18
DanaG	It only stopped lagging when I re-patched it,.	06:18
DanaG	Anyway, all I'd ask of the gnome-devs, if they stubbornly refuse to separate the things, is that they also keep around the old ways, even if they don't (themselves) add new features anymore.	06:19
DanaG	I oughtta' post my compizconfig profile -- it's rather nifty.	06:19
DanaG	Fancy, but not über-flashy.	06:19
DanaG	If you decide to try it, export your own, first, of course.	06:21
DanaG	www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Dana_Compiz.profile	06:21
Sarvatt	i'm surprised they havent fixed that in fglrx yet	06:22
DanaG	Or even just look at it in a text editor.	06:22
Sarvatt	i dont use compiz at all	06:22
DanaG	I've even used my preset on an RV200, and it worked decently well... as long as Benchmark plugin was active.	06:23
Sarvatt	sheesh, so many plugins no wonder you have problems :D	06:23
DanaG	Benchmark does some mysterious magical thing that changes everything.	06:23
DanaG	fgl_glxgears -fbo	06:23
DanaG	then rotate cube.	06:23
DanaG	Actually, not all are active.	06:23
Sarvatt	heres mine.. http://sarvatt.com/downloads/compiz.txt	06:25
Sarvatt	lol	06:25
DanaG	Actually, that's about the same, in terms of number of enabled plugins.	06:25
DanaG	I've just tweaked all of them, at least a little bit.	06:25
DanaG	Including showmouse.	06:26
DanaG	It's now a nifty little ring of fire.	06:26
Sarvatt	oh maybe thats not mine then, that might just be the default one it reverts to but i only have move image static switcher and wobbly turned on	06:26
DanaG	The animations are the most noticeable thing.	06:26
Sarvatt	wobbly only so i can tell its even on	06:26
DanaG	I especially like my menu animations.	06:27
Sarvatt	1 workspace and i use VT's for everything, this is just a tiny netbook screen so i dont miss the stuff	06:27
DanaG	Hope you have KMS. =þ	06:27
DanaG	On my laptop, KMS means too tiny -- no dpi-sensitivity on console.	06:28
Sarvatt	yepyep :)	06:28
DanaG	www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot.png	06:28
Sarvatt	change the font in /etc/default/console-setup?	06:28
DanaG	Right now I'm on fglrx. Lower power usage, and has 3D.	06:28
DanaG	Give my settings a try. =þ	06:29
DanaG	I have my animation times set so they're visible, but don't make you wait. =þ	06:29
DanaG	About the only exception is menus... I need to speed that up a bit.	06:30
Sarvatt	i will next time i'm on a normal laptop, havent turned any of them on lately because the abi got bumped in xserver master and my binary drivers wont work anymore :D	06:30
DanaG	Oh, and if you ever want to make yourself (or someone else) rather instantly nauseous, enable full-desktop motion blur. =þ	06:30
DanaG	Weirdest screen resolution I've seen, just today: 1600x768.	06:31
Sarvatt	i dont think blur even works on 945GME	06:31
DanaG	Motion blur has several modes.	06:31
DanaG	147 DPI == nicest screen I've ever used, anywhere.	06:32
DanaG	May not be the brightest, but it's surprisingly easy to see outdoors -- matte, not glossy.	06:32
DanaG	odd... colorfilter doesn't affect the desktop.	06:35
SwedeMike	DanaG: Sony Vaio W ?	06:36
DanaG	yeah, if that was it... I saw it in a Staples store.	06:36
DanaG	My laptop is an HP EliteBook 8530w.	06:36
DanaG	I wonder what the DPI on that Sony would be.	06:36
DanaG	no, that wasn't it, actually.	06:37
SwedeMike	ah, no Vaio P probably	06:37
SwedeMike	http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/sonys-vaio-p-mark-2-hopefully-learns-from-past-mistakes/	06:37
DanaG	ah, yeah.	06:37
DanaG	"And that resolution? It's pretty dang squint-inducing, but for some reason it's clear enough to actually be usable, and if it's not there are zoom in and out function keys to make the experience a bit easier on the eyes -- just make sure to get your glasses prescription checked before you drive yourself to blindness."	06:38
DanaG	Ummm... ever heard of DPI SCALING?	06:38
DanaG	Sorry, that really irks me whenever I see people assume that high-dpi automatically means tiny text.	06:38
DanaG	It only means tiny text... if you don't tell your OS what DPI the screen actually IS.	06:39
SwedeMike	on XP it does, the DPI scaling just doesnt work	06:39
RAOF	Wheras what it _actually_ means is normal sized text, that's easier to read :)	06:39
SwedeMike	I just want to cry when I see people running their 1680x1050 or 1280x1024 screens at 1024x768 because otherwise the text is too small	06:39
SwedeMike	and it just looks crap	06:40
DanaG	Vista and 7 do a lot better at it.	06:40
DanaG	Most in-box apps work fine.	06:40
DanaG	Biggest broken things on Linux are often closed-source things, like the Xilinx tools.	06:40
DanaG	And on Windows, it's things like Appple.	06:40
SwedeMike	I'm still looking for 2560x1600 screen that might be like 20-22"	06:41
SwedeMike	or at least 1920x1200 screen in 17"	06:41
DanaG	For desktop?	06:41
SwedeMike	yes.	06:41
DanaG	Good luck.	06:41
SwedeMike	too bad nobody makes those laptop screens in desktop form	06:41
DanaG	About the only thing I've seen is people buying a laptop LCD and an LCD controller.	06:41
DanaG	700 bucks. :(	06:41
SwedeMike	yeah, I've heard that too	06:41
DanaG	The 16:9 thing really pisses me off, too -- picture taking my panels, and moving them inwards another panel-width.	06:42
DanaG	Oh, and Win7 actually detected high-DPI automatically, for me.	06:44
DanaG	At least, I seem to remember it doing so.	06:44
DanaG	0x00007ffff66daf33 in fftw_execute (p=0x0) at execute.c:24	06:48
DanaG	24execute.c: No such file or directory.	06:48
SwedeMike	yeah, vista and win7 is supposed to have the scaling thing working well	06:48
DanaG	Though I use "xp-style" (i.e. not the rescaled-surface) method.	06:50
DanaG	I'll never go back to a lower-DPI display (if I can avoid it),	06:51
DanaG	.	06:51
DanaG	http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html	06:52
DanaG	wow, that Sony is 220 DPI.	06:52
DanaG	Daaaayum.	06:52
SwedeMike	1920x1200 @ 15.4 seems like a really nice resolution	06:53
SwedeMike	only 150 ppi, but that's ok	06:54
Sarvatt	this netbook is 133, nice	06:54
DanaG	150 is nice, in that things that DO break... don't break toooooo horribly.	06:54
SwedeMike	I have 125 on my laptop	06:54
DanaG	Oh, and Linux font rendering is one of the biggest reasons I stay with Linux.	06:54
DanaG	The features of PulseAudio are another.	06:55
DanaG	Things like fast boot are there too, of course.	06:55
DanaG	Oh, and can't forget compiz. And my nice bright orange theme.	06:55
SwedeMike	1280x800 @ 5.6 270 ppi	06:56
DanaG	Oh yeah, another thing I hate: 1280x1024. 5:4.	06:57
DanaG	Whoever thought of that... should be forced to shove a rectangular block into a square hole, over and over.	06:57
DanaG	Or rather, the other way around.	06:57
DanaG	a 1280x1024 cube into a 4:3, 1280x960 hole.	06:57
DanaG	Oh, and 640x400 is 16:10, by the way.	06:58
DanaG	speaking of high resolution... this site has ludicrously high-resolution scans of things: http://moe.imouto.org/ -- but watch out, you may want to search both keyword and "rating=safe". =þ	07:10
DanaG	or rather, colon, not equals.	07:10
DanaG	oh yeah, also note that my theme is non-shiny. =þ	07:23
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actafool	how to update from 9.04 to 9.10 ?	09:23
actafool	?	09:24
TheInfinity	actafool: if you ask this you should not upgrade.	09:24
actafool	hah ;)	09:25
actafool	why not	09:25
TheInfinity	9.10 is alpha which means you have to solve problems for yourself	09:25
TheInfinity	and there are lots of probs in this stage	09:25
actafool	aha	09:25
actafool	..	09:25
actafool	okay then i wont	09:25
actafool	but anyway can someone tell my why my display flickering	09:25
actafool	i installed vcard drivers	09:25
TheInfinity	if you can handle your pc with cli only you can start upgrading, otherwise i would stay at jaunty	09:26
actafool	i just wanna test 9.10	09:26
actafool	because of my display flickering	09:26
actafool	tried so much ways to fix it .. but no success	09:26
TheInfinity	test a live cd	09:26
actafool	i should try	09:27
TheInfinity	and i think you have xorg.conf probs which means you have to solve these in jaunty	09:27
actafool	well	09:27
actafool	where is this prob	09:27
actafool	..	09:27
actafool	the only thing that comes in my brain	09:27
actafool	is the refresh rate	09:27
actafool	its lower than my requirements	09:28
TheInfinity	yea. you can set it in xorg.conf. please visit ubuntu.com wiki for a solution or ask in #ubuntu	09:28
actafool	okay thanks	09:28
eagles0513875	in karmic with tune2fs is there a way to convert from an ext3 to ext4 file system. im noticing there is a way you can add a journal which ext3 and 4 already have. is there another way to convert to an ext4	10:00
SwedeMike	eagles0513875: yes.	10:01
eagles0513875	how can i do that	10:02
SwedeMike	http://lmgtfy.com/?q=convert+ext3+to+ext4&l=1	10:03
eagles0513875	think ill stick with ext3 for now	10:08
eagles0513875	was just curious about that	10:08
yofel	sigh could sombody from the kernel devs explain me why the kernel still has a broken hdaps module while we have the source for the working one as a package in the repository?	10:25
Ian_	eagles0513875: you could just mount your ext3 as ext4.	10:30
eagles0513875	Ian_: really how	10:31
yofel	eagles0513875: change 'ext3' to 'ext4' in your fstab ;)	10:31
Ian_	yah :p	10:31
eagles0513875	so no reformatting or any rebuilding of the filesystem doesnt need to be done	10:31
Ian_	shouldn't need it	10:32
Ian_	WARNING! Once you run following commands, the filesystem will no longer be mountable using the ext3.	10:32
Ian_	in that article	10:32
eagles0513875	ya	10:32
Ian_	ext4 is backwards compatible, no?	10:32
eagles0513875	not sure actually	10:32
Ian_	it's also out of date	10:32
eagles0513875	what is the article	10:32
Ian_	read it?	10:32
eagles0513875	what is the link again sry i had to reboot my pc	10:33
yofel	Ian_: ext4 is backwards compatible if you don't use extents. Once you switch extents on you can't go back	10:33
Ian_	http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-convert-ext3-to-ext4-file-system.html	10:33
Ian_	aha ok	10:33
eagles0513875	so basically all i need to do is edit the fstab and i should be good to go	10:34
yofel	That's why if you want a 'clean' ext4 fs you'll have to reformat, or rather re-write all data after the change. If you don't you'll have the old data without extents and the new with extents.	10:34
yofel	I personally have a clean formatted root and a switched home :P	10:35
eagles0513875	blarg is it available on jaunty ?	10:38
eagles0513875	cuz i did an upgrade from jaunty to karmic alpha 2	10:39
yofel	ext4 is available in jaunty since it was officially release with kernel 2.6.28	10:39
yofel	*released	10:40
eagles0513875	ok then i guess a reformat is in the works	10:40
afv	anyone using AWN?	13:14
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Q-FUNK	are auto-syncs from Debian already disabled at this point?	13:32
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eagles0513875	is there a way in karmic where i can map the windows key to open the kmenu	14:36
chrisccoulson	eagles0513875 - not that i'm aware of	14:38
chrisccoulson	the windows key (or "super" key) is just another modifier key, like ctrl or shift	14:38
eagles0513875	windows key	14:39
eagles0513875	that would be a plus to be able to do	14:39
eagles0513875	and to have	14:39
chrisccoulson	windows key and super key are the same thing;)	14:39
eagles0513875	ahhh my bad	14:39
eagles0513875	i always knew it as the windows key	14:39
Hobbsee	i think there is a way to do it. I don't know how, though	14:42
Hobbsee	google likely knows	14:42
eagles0513875	ill search on there just woke up from nice long nap and have no idea what possed me to think about the windows key	14:43
eagles0513875	hope all is well with you Hobbsee	14:43
chrisccoulson	eagles0513875 - i just tried it here	14:44
eagles0513875	ok	14:44
chrisccoulson	it's actually as simple as just going to System -> Preferences -> Keyboard shortcuts;)	14:44
chrisccoulson	it seems to work ok	14:44
chrisccoulson	the only issue is that other shortcuts that rely on the super key as a modifier (eg, some in compiz) seem to stop working	14:45
eagles0513875	gotcha	14:45
eagles0513875	cant ya change those shortcuts in compiz though	14:45
Hobbsee	if you want to hange all of them, cue	14:47
Hobbsee	*sue	14:47
eagles0513875	ok	14:47
eagles0513875	Hobbsee: you might be able to answer this. at least for me there is a bug with the current plasma-widget-network-manager in karmic i know some alternatives for instance wicd could that be installed side by side with the nm widget	14:48
* Hobbsee adds punctuation whee appopiate, and still sees nothing to answe.		14:49
* eagles0513875 stops while im ahead		14:50
Hobbsee	good idea, pehaps	14:50
* Hobbsee heads off to find deset.		14:50
* eagles0513875 goes hunting for the svn repo that the plasm-widget-network-manager is in		14:51
shane_fagan	Is evolution crashing for everyone when it uses the dictionary ?	15:39
maxb	I have a weird problem - Could someone try to reproduce, by dragging their firefox bookmarks around in the sidebar, and see if the place where they drop is way above where the mouse pointer actually is?	15:40
shane_fagan	maxb: I dont understand the problem	15:41
maxb	When I drag and drop a bookmark, firefox believes the mouse is several rows above where it actually is, during the drag]	15:43
shane_fagan	maxb: Ok ill give it a try	15:44
shane_fagan	Nope im not getting it	15:44
maxb	hm	15:45
maxb	I'm getting it on two separate machines	15:46
shane_fagan	What architecture ?	15:47
maxb	i386 & amd64	15:48
shane_fagan	Hmm thats strange and you have all the updates installed on both machine ?	15:48
shane_fagan	*machines	15:48
maxb	Yup, and I bet you don't, because rolling back the last gtk+2.0 update fixes it :-)	15:49
shane_fagan	Oh I just looked at it again and its doing the same for me	15:49
shane_fagan	I dont use the sidebar at all so its not really a problem	15:50
shane_fagan	Its strange though	15:50
BluesKaj	Hi folks	15:51
shane_fagan	BluesKaj: hey	15:52
BluesKaj	hey shane_fagan	15:52
shane_fagan	maxb: So thats a bug anyway did you check if there was a report filed about it?	15:54
BluesKaj	splittsville .. but just a small one	15:54
arand	What is the name of the installer program used on the alternate install CD, ubiquity is the live one, but I can figure out the other...	16:29
baddger	hi	17:13
baddger	when computer starts and login window is displayed, mouse cursor stays in processing mode. is it normal ?	17:15
baddger	mouse cursor only changes to normal once over textbox area.	17:16
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veck	is software sources broken mine will not open?	17:20
BluesKaj	veck, in the konsole/terminal , sudo aptitude update , then sudo aptitude safe-upgrade	17:28
Ian_	apt-get	17:29
Ian_	:p	17:29
Ian_	what's the diffrence between the two?	17:29
BluesKaj	Ian_, apt is fine , but aptitude does a better job with the dependencies IMO	17:30
BluesKaj	Ian_, and the newer sources that require authentication keys	17:32
BluesKaj	ok BBL ..gotta mow the lawn before it rains , again	17:45
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yofel	hi folks	18:29
yofel	IMHO apt-get is nice and command based they're pretty close, but full aptitude is almost synaptic for terminal.	18:31
yofel	and really does a much better job at handling dep's	18:31
yofel	waaah, one day not at home and I get ~150 updates o.O	18:32
reto`	yofel: it also features vi bindings... nice	18:33
yofel	ah, most of them kde ^^	18:33
yofel	reto`: yup, great, isn't it :D	18:33
BUGabundo	yofel: +1	18:36
BUGabundo	I'm purging all xul and all Firefox I have!	18:36
yofel	hi BUGabundo	18:36
yofel	huh? what happend?	18:36
BUGabundo	trying to fix this damn crashs and lost tabs	18:36
BUGabundo	I close pages, and tabs remain	18:36
yofel	o.O	18:36
BUGabundo	also removing ALL usplash!	18:37
BUGabundo	lets see if grub2 now tries to use it AHAHAH	18:37
charlie-tca	good luck with that one	18:37
yofel	I would remove it if ubuntu-desktop wouldn't depend on it :/	18:38
reto`	BUGabundo: what crashes you hav?	18:38
BUGabundo	reto`: way too many to enumerate now	18:38
BUGabundo	I'll be leaving in a few min	18:39
charlie-tca	You don't need the desktop package anyway until you upgrade from karmic to ??	18:39
reto`	BUGabundo: random log out when using the keyboard?	18:39
BUGabundo	yofel: you still have ubuntu-desktop ? lol	18:39
BUGabundo	reto`: not me. never got loggout	18:40
reto`	BUGabundo: I had that problem... comes from gdm... the fixed gdm and now that's ok	18:40
reto`	installed	18:41
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billybigrigger	howdy all	19:14
yofel	... I would like to know who's reponsible for acpi on eeePCs so I could hit him, who would start charging a battery that's 99% charged o.O	19:38
billybigrigger	hehe	19:40
billybigrigger	did you figure out your pan problem yofel ?	19:40
yofel	billybigrigger: nope, and I somehow think both issues are related...	19:40
billybigrigger	hmm	19:42
billybigrigger	not knowing much about acpi here	19:42
yofel	well, I don't care that much about the fan. It's quite silent and it's not like I would save that much power by turning it off.	19:46
yofel	The battery charging issue is more of a problem, since it reduces battery life :(	19:46
billybigrigger	the fact of your fan running slow could start giving you heat issues	19:46
billybigrigger	specially in a laptop where cooling design is not that great to begin with	19:47
billybigrigger	and yeah, i can see the frustration on the battery, maybe run it without the battery plugged into the wall while your sitting at home? just until you figure out the problem	19:47
yofel	hm, good idea, i'll do that for now	19:48
veck	any way to install the nvidia 185.18.14 drivers from the terminal?	20:01
billybigrigger	install nvidia-glx-180	20:01
billybigrigger	?	20:01
yofel	veck: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 should do it	20:01
veck	ty much	20:02
BUGabundo	boas tardes	20:02
billybigrigger	veck, what does apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-180 say?	20:02
veck	billybigrigger: nvidia-glx-180:	20:03
veck	Installed: (none)	20:03
veck	Candidate: 185.18.14-0ubuntu3	20:03
veck	Version table:	20:03
veck	185.18.14-0ubuntu3 0	20:03
veck	500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/restricted Packages	20:03
BUGabundo	WOOT	20:03
billybigrigger	there ya go	20:03
BUGabundo	got read of those darn usplash	20:04
billybigrigger	BUGabundo, howdy	20:04
veck	sry shouldve pastebinned it	20:04
BUGabundo	billybigrigger: I unistalled all usplash I had	20:04
BUGabundo	eheh	20:04
billybigrigger	veck, just the installed/candidate was all i was after	20:04
BUGabundo	and funny thing, boot seemed faster	20:04
billybigrigger	BUGabundo, chart it	20:04
BUGabundo	!pastebin > veck	20:04
ubottu	veck, please see my private message	20:04
BUGabundo	billybigrigger: I have all my charts since hardy	20:05
BUGabundo	LOL	20:05
BUGabundo	let me upload this one	20:05
veck	read the text i said im sorry!	20:05
BUGabundo	billybigrigger: http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/	20:06
charlie-tca	BUGabundo: It has always been faster to boot without the usplash, I think	20:06
BUGabundo	but I never use them. I removed it from grub	20:07
BUGabundo	now grub2 forced it, and I saw no easy way to un-splash	20:07
BUGabundo	uninstalling was one way	20:07
BUGabundo	and it seemed faster	20:08
charlie-tca	ahh	20:08
billybigrigger	i dont see one for 7/11	20:08
BUGabundo	but I'm uploading last two days	20:09
BUGabundo	so will see numbers and not _feelings_ In a bit	20:09
BUGabundo	billybigrigger: calm down eheh	20:09
veck	billybigrigger: here is what happens when i type sudo apy-get install nvidia-glx-180 http://pastebin.com/mf401af7	20:12
BUGabundo	veck: apy or apt?	20:14
veck	BUGabundo: dude your annoying do you not ever do anything wrong or do you just like corrcting ppl?	20:15
BUGabundo	veck: you have synaptic opened	20:16
BUGabundo	duh	20:16
BUGabundo	or some other apt running	20:16
BUGabundo	veck: can't you take a joke? if not you will also gladly join my ignore list :\	20:16
* charlie-tca agrees with BUGabundo. Synaptic or aptitude is running also		20:19
BUGabundo	charlie-tca: I really dislike ppl complaining and not enjoying all our help :(	20:20
billybigrigger	veck, pretty ballsy to come in here asking for help and ragging on the people who are helping you	20:20
BUGabundo	don't want to sound like the #pidgin devs, but sometimes user support _sucks_	20:20
charlie-tca	Now that we have that out of our systems,	20:21
charlie-tca	veck: did you find the open app?	20:21
BUGabundo	we spend so much energy on providing help, and this is what we get :(	20:22
BUGabundo	billybigrigger: dropped to 2G. so upload will take a bit longer	20:22
charlie-tca	I know, I know	20:22
billybigrigger	BUGabundo, 1:37 to boot!!!! :O	20:22
charlie-tca	and then we go through it all over again, too!	20:22
BUGabundo	no	20:22
BUGabundo	billybigrigger: that's PAST GDM	20:22
billybigrigger	ahhh	20:22
BUGabundo	I've hacked my bootchart for it to mesure extra stuf	20:22
billybigrigger	so whats grub to gdm then?	20:23
BUGabundo	but yeah, takes me a while until I can actually use my laptop. that's why I hate to reboot	20:23
BUGabundo	billybigrigger: check the chart! you see when gdm starts	20:23
charlie-tca	I autoboot my desktops at 5:30 am so I don't have to wait when I get up	20:23
billybigrigger	~27s?	20:24
billybigrigger	charlie-tca is a thinker	20:24
billybigrigger	haha	20:24
BUGabundo	opps. we scared him way !	20:24
charlie-tca	well, crap	20:24
derekS	he guys, my sound card in karmic is making a popping sound which is driving me CRAZY. I know it has to do with the power savings, but is there a way to turn this off?	20:24
BUGabundo	charlie-tca: I want to AUTO login! gdm won't let me do it	20:24
charlie-tca	I want to know if it worked or not	20:25
derekS	i already submitted this to launchpad	20:25
charlie-tca	Heh, I know	20:25
* BUGabundo charlie-tca is a energy spender! :(		20:25
charlie-tca	I had it when I upgraded, and it stayed	20:25
charlie-tca	Now I can't not autologin	20:25
BUGabundo	derekS: can you please install pavucontrol	20:25
BUGabundo	and check if it is not above 100% ?	20:25
BUGabundo	derekS: are there any power savings settings in karmic? mine are all brojne	20:26
BUGabundo	not even battery indicator is working	20:26
derekS	BUGabundo: there shouldn't be, its a desktop	20:26
BUGabundo	hey akgraner	20:27
BUGabundo	"(08:25:25 PM) derekS: I know it has to do with the power savings, "	20:27
derekS	BUGabundo: what shouldn't be above 100%? my output devices are at 100%	20:27
BUGabundo	derekS: acording to pavucontrol ?	20:27
BUGabundo	cause mine usually go up as high as 140%	20:28
derekS	BUGabundo: there was a i read saying the popping is a result of them putting the soundcard to sleep	20:28
derekS	BUGabundo: yeah in pavucontrol	20:28
derekS	its actually at 93%	20:28
billybigrigger	mine max out @ 100% in pavucontrol	20:28
BUGabundo	derekS: ok. then there isn't much I can help you !	20:28
BUGabundo	derekS: please join #ubuntu-audio-help, ping dtchen and wait for him to come back	20:29
derekS	BUGabundo: es of 5/26 I get a popping sound when ever the sound card is initialized or shuts down. I haven't had the problem before and my sound works okay. I am using a NVidia sound card (HDA NVidia) Conexant analog. All sound preferences set to auto detect. I get this pop sound even when sound is muted. What is the next step in stopping it from happening? I am using PA 0.9.15	20:29
BUGabundo	billybigrigger: lucky you!	20:29
derekS	Thank you in advance.	20:29
derekS	err	20:29
derekS	sorry	20:29
derekS	BUGabundo: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1173122.html	20:29
derekS	will join there	20:29
billybigrigger	man i love minefield	20:30
BUGabundo	billybigrigger: upload almost done	20:30
BUGabundo	eheh	20:30
billybigrigger	blows ff 3.0 out of the water in startup time	20:30
BUGabundo	billybigrigger: is it working?	20:30
billybigrigger	has been working here for me for almost a week	20:30
BUGabundo	mine is gettign stupid and not closing tabs :(	20:30
BUGabundo	started yesterday	20:30
BUGabundo	mozillateam say its works ok for them	20:31
billybigrigger	oh ya? no problems here	20:31
BUGabundo	:(	20:31
billybigrigger	hmmm	20:31
BUGabundo	I purged it and reinstalled	20:31
BUGabundo	no change	20:31
billybigrigger	start a new profile?	20:31
BUGabundo	even happens in safe mode	20:31
billybigrigger	then copy your bookmarks/preferences over to the new profile and delete the old on	20:31
billybigrigger	one	20:31
BUGabundo	so its not a profile thingy	20:31
billybigrigger	hmm	20:31
billybigrigger	its just a BUGabundo thingy	20:32
billybigrigger	:P	20:32
billybigrigger	haha	20:32
billybigrigger	BUGabundo, how slow are your uploads? or how huge are your chart.png's :P	20:32
BUGabundo	billybigrigger: bootchart upload done!	20:33
BUGabundo	billybigrigger: I still have a 147MiBs queue uploading	20:33
BUGabundo	and I'm rsyncing daily isos	20:33
BUGabundo	over 3G ehehe	20:33
billybigrigger	7/11-2?	20:33
BUGabundo	45.1kB/s up right now	20:33
billybigrigger	ouch	20:34
billybigrigger	:P	20:34
BUGabundo	200KB/s down	20:34
billybigrigger	:(	20:34
BUGabundo	see any speed change?	20:34
billybigrigger	i don't want to tell you mine :P	20:34
billybigrigger	2mb down/120k up :P	20:34
billybigrigger	looking now	20:35
BUGabundo	but that's mega bits! I talking in bytes/sec	20:37
BUGabundo	hey BluesKaj	20:37
billybigrigger	looks the same	20:37
BluesKaj	hey BUGabundo	20:38
BUGabundo	so it was just a _feeling_	20:38
BUGabundo	eheh	20:38
billybigrigger	well i get ~1950kb/s down, and 120kb/sec up	20:38
billybigrigger	unless im looking at the charts wrong	20:38
billybigrigger	but it looks like gdm kicks in ~27s both times	20:38
billybigrigger	be back in 30, need to get that lawn mowed before the rain comes	20:39
BUGabundo	ahahaha	20:39
BluesKaj	my neighbour is running his wifi unsecured ...warned him about it . Then he asked : "if other ppl use my connection will it slow down ?" DUH! :)	20:40
BUGabundo	ahahah	20:41
yofel	not that my 2 neighbours that use WEP are better :P	20:41
BUGabundo	great finish rsyincing x64 and x86 daily images	20:41
BluesKaj	have fun billybigrigger ..I just got mine done	20:41
BUGabundo	now I just have to wait for new 1.5TiB disk to do a fresh install	20:41
charlie-tca	w00t	20:42
charlie-tca	Should be a warning for karmic: Gnumeric is broken, your data is still there, but you can't see it	20:43
BluesKaj	BUGabundo, how's amarok coming along ...still broken on the new kernel ?	20:46
BluesKaj	thank god for VLC :)	20:46
BUGabundo	I don't use amarok	20:47
BUGabundo	I've got vlc 1.0 from a PPA	20:47
BUGabundo	ahah	20:47
BluesKaj	yup, c-korn	20:52
BUGabundo	yep	20:53
BUGabundo	you know him?	20:53
veck	just wanted to say thank's to the ppl who helped me install my nvidea driver !	20:57
BluesKaj	nope, dunno c-korn	20:58
veck	it is compiled and working fine now thnx again	20:58
BluesKaj	which driver , veck ?	20:59
veck	BluesKaj: nvidia-glx-180	21:00
BUGabundo	veck: great!	21:00
BluesKaj	no need to compile that one , just sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-180	21:01
veck	BUGabundo: thank you to didnt mean to piz anyone off!	21:01
veck	BluesKaj: yeah it compiled itself with all patches and stuff	21:02
BUGabundo	veck: np	21:02
veck	BUGabundo: I am trying to learn linux but I am still a novice user	21:03
* BluesKaj scratches his head ..		21:03
BUGabundo	BluesKaj: nvm	21:03
BUGabundo	do you guys remember nol? this doesn't work for me :( http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7594743&postcount=331	21:04
billybigrigger	BUGabundo, his help didn't really fix my webcam either	21:05
billybigrigger	i use a different driver altogether	21:05
BUGabundo	I know	21:05
Sarvatt	billybigrigger: some progress! webcam modules are loading fine now here, but theres no /dev/video0 being created	21:08
BUGabundo	im trying sudo depmod -a /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/media/video but its not working cross-reboot	21:10
BUGabundo	:(	21:10
* BluesKaj watches the thunderheads build in the NE		21:10
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yofel	wow, a few days ago I had a system load of ~780, now my system is topping it by far: load average: 2586.16, 2586.17, 2586.17	21:32
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billybigrigger	BUGabundo, sudo depmod -a /lib/modules/2.6.31-2-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/ does nothing for me	21:34
BUGabundo	yofel: that's impossible values!	21:35
Tekno		21:35
BUGabundo	billybigrigger: did you reboot?	21:35
billybigrigger	no	21:35
BUGabundo	Tekno:	21:35
yofel	BUGabundo: that I know, but thats what it says!	21:35
BUGabundo	yofel: where does it say that?	21:35
yofel	BUGabundo: http://imagebin.ca/view/scfzthV.html	21:37
yofel	and it's not a top issue since /proc/loadavg reports the same	21:37
BUGabundo	LOL	21:38
billybigrigger	top - 14:38:48 up 2:06, 2 users, load average: 0.32, 0.24, 0.12	21:38
BUGabundo	$ w 21:39:44 up 1:47, 5 users, load average: 0.36, 0.65, 0.71	21:39
BUGabundo	but if I let my CPU on ondemand it goes up to 2.4GHz	21:40
BUGabundo	and won't come down	21:40
BUGabundo	very stupid since I don't have any load :x	21:40
billybigrigger	BUGabundo, reboot needed after that depmod line?	21:41
BUGabundo	dunno	21:43
BUGabundo	I just want my webcam to work	21:43
BUGabundo	and I really don't want to reboot :(	21:43
billybigrigger	i thought you had it running?	21:44
billybigrigger	you using daily kernel?	21:45
BUGabundo	no	21:46
billybigrigger	what broke it then?	21:46
BUGabundo	ah??	21:48
BUGabundo	noting brake it	21:48
BUGabundo	but it seems it won't resist to reboot :(	21:48
billybigrigger	oh	21:48
BUGabundo	can't I just LOAD it ???	21:49
billybigrigger	how do i compile a daily kernel after installing the headers/source	21:49
billybigrigger	?	21:49
billybigrigger	or create the linux image	21:49
billybigrigger	Sarvatt, im pretty sure my webcam modules always loaded, and i have a /dev/video0, just garbled image	21:50
billybigrigger	http://imagebin.ca/view/h_w6RVpo.html	21:51
BUGabundo	I have no /dev/video :(	21:52
billybigrigger	http://pastebin.ca/1491999	21:52
BUGabundo	lsmod \| grep video \| pastebinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/215736/	21:55
Sarvatt	ah, they werent loading at all for me and i was getting flooded with usb errors	21:56
billybigrigger	so what error do you get from syslog when you load up cheese?	21:56
Sarvatt	but now thats fixed, but i dont have a /dev/video0	21:56
billybigrigger	does your webcam's light go on?	21:56
billybigrigger	oh	21:56
billybigrigger	so cheese complains of no video devices now	21:56
billybigrigger	?	21:56
Sarvatt	ERROR opening V4L interface: No such file or directory in lucview	21:57
Sarvatt	cheese: ../../src/xcb_io.c:242: process_responses: Assertion `(((long) (dpy->last_request_read) - (long) (dpy->request)) <= 0)' failed.	21:57
Sarvatt	Aborted	21:57
Sarvatt	in cheese	21:57
BUGabundo	cheese is very sensible to bad drivers	21:57
billybigrigger	do we have any other webcam apps to use besides cheese?	21:58
billybigrigger	i've never looked for any	21:58
billybigrigger	cheese usually worked fine, so i had no need	21:58
BUGabundo	camonara	21:58
BUGabundo	and I use CLI	21:59
BUGabundo	gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src ! ffmpegcolorspace ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-rgb, width=800, height=600 ! pngenc compression-level=9 ! filesink location=foo.png	21:59
billybigrigger	well the chances of mine working in anything is pretty slim	21:59
afv	i'm having that problem with cheese too. it was working.. like.. 2 days ago..	21:59
afv	it does open, the webcam light goes on, then crashes (before showing any picture)	22:00
afv	$ cheese	22:01
afv	(cheese:23147): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_util_uint64_scale_int: assertion `denom > 0' failed	22:01
afv	cheese: ../../src/xcb_io.c:242: process_responses: Assertion `(((long) (dpy->last_request_read) - (long) (dpy->request)) <= 0)' failed.	22:01
afv	Aborted	22:01
BUGabundo	afv: try $ gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src ! ffmpegcolorspace ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-rgb, width=800, height=600 ! pngenc compression-level=9 ! filesink location=foo.png	22:02
afv	it saved the picture	22:03
afv	with some errors on the console	22:03
afv	webcam is working fine with aMSN, for example	22:03
* BUGabundo ok I'm getting my self an ice cream. back in a few minutes		22:03
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afv	BUGabundo, http://pastebin.com/d1e5578e1	22:05
billybigrigger	http://paste.ubuntu.com/215755/	22:05
derekS	is totem-gstreamer broken for anyone else? it will start, but it won't play	22:06
billybigrigger	damn, make errors trying to compile custom kernel :(	22:07
billybigrigger	i was hoping maybe a daily kernel would get this webcam working	22:07
charlie-tca	derekS: yes, as of yesterday when I found it	22:08
derekS	charlie-tca: so it doesn't work for you either :) great!	22:08
billybigrigger	http://paste.ubuntu.com/215764/	22:22
billybigrigger	anyone know how to fix that error?	22:22
veck	wow im loving the progress of 9.10	23:30
Q-FUNK	yeah, it's shaping up quite nicely	23:31
Q-FUNK	although it has to be said that the new GDM is horrible	23:31
veck	my biggest problem is withthe grub loader	23:33
veck	get the --no-floppy every time it updates	23:33
Wicla	try reinstalling grub into mbr veck	23:35
veck	ok ill try that thnx	23:35
billybigrigger	check out my wiki page	23:36
billybigrigger	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#--no-floppy	23:36
billybigrigger	lots of good grub2 junk	23:36
Wicla	that only solves it temporarily until grub entries gets updated again	23:37
veck	Wicla: does that erase the normal boot-sector used by an OS	23:38
veck	Wicla: no biggy i dont mind editing grub it gives me something to do	23:39
veck	Wicla: I am legally blind and sit here all day on linux	23:40
Wicla	yes it writes itself into mbr. It solved that problem for me atleast. Had an older version of grub written into mbr. grub-install installs the latest	23:40

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