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| SiDi | cody-somerville: heya ? | 16:59 |
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| SiDi | knome: we're waiting for you then D: | 17:02 |
| knome | ok, give me a few minutes :) | 17:02 |
| SiDi | do you know how to use the meeting bot ? :p | 17:03 |
| knome | yeo, | 17:03 |
| knome | #startmeeting | 17:03 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 11:03. The chair is knome. | 17:03 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:03 |
| knome | okay, let's start | 17:03 |
| ScottK | Can I just toss something in before I have to run? | 17:04 |
| knome | sure. :)? | 17:04 |
| cody-somerville | Hi | 17:05 |
| knome | hello cody | 17:05 |
| ScottK | We had a conversation yesterday in #ubuntu-x about the dontzap package. It's not needed for Ubuntu/Kubuntu since upstream provides a GUI for the change. We didn't think Xubuntu needed it either, but I thought I mention it. | 17:05 |
| SiDi | Heya cody-somerville | 17:05 |
| vinnl | Hi | 17:05 |
| vinnl | I'll be gone in ten minutes or so, dinner, and return after that :) | 17:05 |
| ScottK | dontzap is currently not working in karmic anyway, so the intent is to just remove it. | 17:05 |
| knome | okay | 17:05 |
| SiDi | ScottK: its the package that allows reenabling Ctrl+Alt+Backspace ? | 17:05 |
| ScottK | SiDi: Yes. | 17:05 |
| knome | ok, thanks ScottK :) | 17:05 |
| charlie-tca | No problem here with that | 17:05 |
| SiDi | ScottK: err, then we have to modify xorg.conf on our own ? :/ | 17:06 |
| knome | is there somebody who volunteers putting the minutes online? i can send the mootbot log once we're finished. | 17:06 |
| ScottK | SiDi: No. Apparently there's a lib that supports this that xfce uses too. | 17:06 |
| SiDi | ScottK: i think this should be confirmed with xfce devs. i've never seen a gui for that thing | 17:07 |
| ScottK | It's xklavier that they were mentioning | 17:07 |
| charlie-tca | SiDi: but you can still enable it with xorg, right | 17:07 |
| charlie-tca | ? | 17:08 |
| ScottK | You've now exhausted my knowledge of the topic. | 17:08 |
| ScottK | I think actually you can't do it in xorg anymore. | 17:08 |
| ScottK | You have to use xklavier or whatever. | 17:08 |
| SiDi | it can be done with xorg indeed charlie-tca, but dontzap is more typo-proof :) | 17:08 |
| SiDi | oh | 17:08 |
| SiDi | hey ochosi | 17:08 |
| ochosi | hey everyone | 17:08 |
| ochosi | sorry for being late | 17:09 |
| knome | no problem | 17:09 |
| knome | we were just starting | 17:09 |
| ochosi | ok, good | 17:09 |
| ScottK | SiDi: If I understand the discussion in #ubuntu-x yesterday, I think xorg doesn't work anymore in Karmic. | 17:09 |
| SiDi | ScottK: ok then maybe we should keep dontzap :D | 17:09 |
| ScottK | SiDi: I'd talk to tseliot about it. | 17:09 |
| knome | i think we have to investigate this anyway | 17:09 |
| SiDi | ScottK: thanks | 17:09 |
| charlie-tca | SiDi: then the question also has to be asked, who will maintain it? | 17:09 |
| SiDi | does it need to be maintained ? :/ | 17:10 |
| knome | SiDi, are you willing to investigate further? | 17:10 |
| charlie-tca | Will it be useable as other stuff changes ? | 17:10 |
| charlie-tca | If we want it kept, any bugs filed will have to be fixed by us, won't they? | 17:11 |
| SiDi | knome: as long as it doesnt involve coding / packaging it should be ok | 17:11 |
| knome | okay | 17:11 |
| cody-somerville | Anyhow | 17:11 |
| knome | [ACT] SiDi investigates the dontzap/xklavier/xorg... stuff | 17:11 |
| knome | oops | 17:11 |
| knome | [ACTION] SiDi investigates the dontzap/xklavier/xorg... stuff | 17:12 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: SiDi investigates the dontzap/xklavier/xorg... stuff | 17:12 |
| cody-somerville | Lets move forward with the agenda | 17:12 |
| knome | cody-somerville, i started the meeting as you didn't show up early enough. :) | 17:12 |
| cody-somerville | I can't stay too long | 17:12 |
| knome | [TOPIC] Review last meetings action items | 17:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review last meetings action items | 17:12 |
| vinnl | Dinner, if I'm needed for anything please push it to the back of the agenda :P | 17:12 |
| knome | [TOPIC] .. Team reports | 17:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: .. Team reports | 17:12 |
| knome | has everyone updated the team reports? :) | 17:13 |
| cody-somerville | I forgot. I'll do my part later today | 17:13 |
| knome | okay | 17:13 |
| charlie-tca | not really | 17:13 |
| knome | [ACTION] Everybody UPDATE TEAM REPORTS. | 17:13 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Everybody UPDATE TEAM REPORTS. | 17:13 |
| SiDi | What is a team report ? :| | 17:14 |
| knome | [TOPIC] .. Documentation and artwork for documentation | 17:14 |
| MootBot | New Topic: .. Documentation and artwork for documentation | 17:14 |
| cody-somerville | SiDi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports | 17:14 |
| knome | j1mc doesn't seem to be available | 17:15 |
| knome | there's not much progress | 17:15 |
| knome | so let's move on | 17:15 |
| knome | [TOPIC] .. Testing wiki pages | 17:15 |
| MootBot | New Topic: .. Testing wiki pages | 17:15 |
| knome | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/TestingInfo/Short | 17:16 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/TestingInfo/Short | 17:16 |
| knome | charlie-tca, how are they coming along? | 17:16 |
| charlie-tca | ouch | 17:16 |
| charlie-tca | forgot to do that | 17:16 |
| knome | the action item: # | 17:16 |
| knome | * | 17:16 |
| knome | the action item: Charlie to work on the Testing wiki pages and split them to be shorter and readable. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/TestingInfo/Short) | 17:16 |
| knome | no problem. | 17:16 |
| knome | :) | 17:16 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, I will have to work that one | 17:16 |
| knome | [ACTION] charlie-tca continues the quest to find time to do stuff | 17:16 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: charlie-tca continues the quest to find time to do stuff | 17:16 |
| knome | [TOPIC] .. Shipping Xubuntu CDs | 17:16 |
| MootBot | New Topic: .. Shipping Xubuntu CDs | 17:16 |
| knome | is there anything to this? | 17:16 |
| charlie-tca | I thought we beat that to death | 17:17 |
| SiDi | We lack funds for this. | 17:17 |
| knome | okay. | 17:17 |
| charlie-tca | We can't ship privately due to customs and international laws | 17:17 |
| knome | okay :) | 17:17 |
| charlie-tca | We can ship in our own countries, though | 17:17 |
| knome | okay | 17:17 |
| knome | so there's *no* way to ship internationally? | 17:17 |
| knome | not even single discs? | 17:17 |
| knome | not even randomly? | 17:18 |
| knome | :) | 17:18 |
| SiDi | We can use relays nationally (locos / xubuntu community / whatever) | 17:18 |
| ochosi | where'd the funds come from for this? | 17:18 |
| SiDi | but still, printing the CDs is costy | 17:18 |
| knome | ochosi, personal funding. | 17:18 |
| SiDi | ochosi: from us i suppose | 17:18 |
| charlie-tca | If you can deal with the customs and the ability to insure the disc is not drm/viruses/malware/etc | 17:18 |
| knome | SiDi, a *CD* is a lot for somebody | 17:18 |
| knome | not everybody can download the iso and burn it | 17:18 |
| knome | it doesn't need to be "official" | 17:18 |
| SiDi | i know that | 17:18 |
| ochosi | but knome, if people are unable to download and burn an iso, will they be able to online order a cd? | 17:19 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: canonical sponsors shipit service for Ubuntu and Kubuntu cd's | 17:19 |
| SiDi | Well, if we burn them ourselves they're gonna have to be error-proof | 17:19 |
| knome | charlie-tca, i suppose that sending from states is as easy as filling a green customs sticker :) | 17:19 |
| knome | ochosi, NO, they are not. | 17:19 |
| knome | ochosi, that's why we are discussing. | 17:19 |
| charlie-tca | no, it isn't, Knightlust | 17:19 |
| charlie-tca | knome | 17:19 |
| knome | charlie-tca, right... | 17:19 |
| ochosi | knome, ok | 17:19 |
| SiDi | it's easier to get some CD in each LUG but again people wont go to LUGs | 17:19 |
| knome | charlie-tca, well at least i have no problems in shipping to EU countries. | 17:19 |
| charlie-tca | I looked into it, and can't actually provide all the **P*J: they want | 17:19 |
| SiDi | so we still could ship them in walmart but i doubt they let us do ! | 17:19 |
| knome | it's just a cd... :) | 17:20 |
| knome | it's not that many people *really* need the cd | 17:20 |
| charlie-tca | It is the government | 17:20 |
| knome | about 1-2 per month maybe | 17:20 |
| ochosi | knome, i see now, i thought this was only about shipping in your own country or the eu | 17:20 |
| SiDi | But many people will order them knome | 17:20 |
| knome | SiDi, we're not opening an *ordering* page | 17:20 |
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| knome | if somebody really needs the cd, they come asking for it | 17:21 |
| charlie-tca | Got a lot of forms to file here to prove it is safe and allowed | 17:21 |
| SiDi | then how do you want people to know they can order CD s ? | 17:21 |
| knome | and maybe we can ship on to them | 17:21 |
| charlie-tca | They can not order a cd for xubuntu, SiDi | 17:21 |
| knome | SiDi, they have to undestand they have to ask. | 17:21 |
| knome | SiDi, i've seen a few people almost *crying* for a cd | 17:21 |
| SiDi | ok so you'd advertise the possibility to negociate an officious CD on irc ? | 17:21 |
| ochosi | so you want to put some kind of message on xubuntu.org saying: if you're in real trouble donwloading/burning the image, contact us, we'll try to ship a disc? | 17:21 |
| knome | no, we wouldn't advertise | 17:22 |
| SiDi | and we send a burnt CD with a hand-draw mouse on it ? :) | 17:22 |
| knome | no, no advertising | 17:22 |
| ochosi | hehe | 17:22 |
| knome | SiDi, yes! :] | 17:22 |
| * charlie-tca nods | 17:22 | |
| knome | basically, if somebody asks for a cd and really can't d/l it, we should be able to ship one to him/her | 17:22 |
| knome | as our personal investment in open source | 17:22 |
| knome | that's the core thing | 17:22 |
| knome | and that's been discussed, right, charlie-tca ? | 17:23 |
| charlie-tca | knome: you know I have been trying to. At this point, I can not ship outside of the USA | 17:23 |
| knome | charlie-tca, well you can ship to usa. we at EU can ship to EU. | 17:23 |
| SiDi | charlie-tca: anyway i doubt anyone can ship easily outside of europe / usa | 17:23 |
| charlie-tca | correct, discussion has taken place. | 17:23 |
| ochosi | well within the eu this wouldn't be a problem | 17:23 |
| ochosi | what countries are we talking about here anyway? *the world*? | 17:23 |
| charlie-tca | I can't even get them to Mexico | 17:23 |
| knome | ochosi, the world, yes. | 17:24 |
| charlie-tca | That is correct, ochosi | 17:24 |
| SiDi | problem is that for an individual its extremely expensive | 17:24 |
| SiDi | we should better in this case find some contacts in every official LoCo | 17:24 |
| knome | that's fine as well. | 17:24 |
| charlie-tca | Costs me about 1.25 american dollars anywhere in the world | 17:24 |
| ochosi | is there a list of loco-teams for xubuntu (or do they even exist at all?) | 17:24 |
| knome | ochosi, there are. | 17:24 |
| knome | people just need to be ready to talk to a loco | 17:24 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: we are part of the Ubuntu loco teams, normally | 17:24 |
| SiDi | charlie-tca: costs me about ~20 dollars outside of Europe | 17:25 |
| ochosi | k | 17:25 |
| knome | SiDi, you live in FRANCE. | 17:25 |
| knome | SiDi, you are forgiven | 17:25 |
| * cody-somerville has to go, bbl | 17:25 | |
| knome | SiDi, and damned :P | 17:25 |
| knome | cody-somerville, see you | 17:25 |
| ochosi | i think he knows that :) knome | 17:25 |
| SiDi | cody-somerville: bye | 17:25 |
| cody-somerville | \o_ | 17:25 |
| knome | anyway | 17:25 |
| ochosi | cody-somerville, bye | 17:25 |
| charlie-tca | brb | 17:25 |
| knome | if somebody asks a cd, we should either mail them one or point them to loco's, everybody agree? | 17:25 |
| ochosi | agreed | 17:26 |
| knome | okay | 17:26 |
| SiDi | or we can get one mailed by the LoCo | 17:26 |
| SiDi | cheaper | 17:26 |
| SiDi | thats what i meant by LoCo contacts | 17:26 |
| knome | SiDi, exactly - point the asking person to loco.. | 17:26 |
| SiDi | oh i mean we could give the address to the loco guy and ask him/her to send it | 17:26 |
| knome | [ACTION] For now, if somebody asks for a CD, point them to asks from the LoCo or send one ourselves. | 17:26 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: For now, if somebody asks for a CD, point them to asks from the LoCo or send one ourselves. | 17:27 |
| knome | NEXT ITEM. | 17:27 |
| SiDi | we'd have to decide who pays though | 17:27 |
| knome | [TOPIC] Progress on notify-osd integration and current critical issues | 17:27 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Progress on notify-osd integration and current critical issues | 17:27 |
| knome | SiDi, we pay or the loco pays. | 17:27 |
| * SiDi disconnects | 17:27 | |
| SiDi | Ok so | 17:27 |
| knome | SiDi, it's not *that* expensive. if you can't then don't ship one and point them to loco. | 17:27 |
| SiDi | NotifyOsd is still under heavy development as you may know | 17:27 |
| SiDi | Some issues got fixed, others appear | 17:27 |
| SiDi | I'm gonna begin with the current issues as it's the main focus of development if we want to be able to ship n-o in good conditions for Karmic | 17:28 |
| knome | [TOPIC] .. Current issues | 17:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: .. Current issues | 17:28 |
| SiDi | So among minor problems, there are some lacking icons in n-o | 17:28 |
| knome | SiDi, is somebody working on them? | 17:28 |
| SiDi | we're not very concerned as we have Human installed as far as i know | 17:29 |
| SiDi | knome: no but at worse i suppose it's all about pinging kwwii and asking gently | 17:29 |
| knome | okay, i can try to help as well | 17:29 |
| SiDi | The main problems at the moment are a11y issues | 17:29 |
| SiDi | First, we can't theme n-o bubbles, which causes problems to some users | 17:29 |
| SiDi | This is gonna be solved by MacSlow according to our last discussion. We will have some gconf keys for it | 17:30 |
| SiDi | so we can ship different defaults or add a little GUI for it | 17:30 |
| SiDi | The most worrying thing is that n-o uses custom fonts / DPI settings from ... GNOME | 17:30 |
| ochosi | rly? didn't know that | 17:30 |
| SiDi | MacSlow is ok with adding XFCE-specific stuff but he wants n-o to be compilable without this code by default | 17:30 |
| SiDi | So i'm gonna patch n-o to use xfconf for this, and by the meanwhile i'll see if i can reallistically make n-o use xfconf everywhere gconf is used, so that we could ship a gconf-free n-o package | 17:31 |
| knome | SiDi, so do you need how to proceed or you need some help with it? :) | 17:31 |
| knome | (from the xubuntu team) | 17:31 |
| SiDi | And of course this requires the authorization to upload a notify-osd-xfce package | 17:31 |
| knome | i think that's not a problem, you'd have to ask cody-somerville, though | 17:32 |
| SiDi | I need an official developer to sponsor the package if i write the needed changes | 17:32 |
| SiDi | I think it can fall under "fix bugs" though so it should be ok if im not done before the FeatureFreeze | 17:32 |
| knome | [ACTION] SiDi needs an official developer to sponsor the notify-osd-xfce package. | 17:32 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: SiDi needs an official developer to sponsor the notify-osd-xfce package. | 17:32 |
| SiDi | Apart from that, we still have apps that misbehave with notify-osd | 17:32 |
| knome | SiDi, cody-somerville can push anything through even after ff ;>> | 17:33 |
| SiDi | I spotted thunar-volman and xfce4-places-plugin | 17:33 |
| knome | SiDi, are they obvious to fix? | 17:33 |
| SiDi | I'll patch them soon if everything goes fine, the patch is easy to write | 17:33 |
| knome | okay | 17:33 |
| SiDi | making a proper .patch file for the package and repackaging and uploading is less | 17:33 |
| knome | [ACTION] SiDi keeps on doing the great work on patches so notify-osd works correctly | 17:33 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: SiDi keeps on doing the great work on patches so notify-osd works correctly | 17:33 |
| ochosi | thunar-volman and xfce4-places are both about mounting notifications? | 17:33 |
| SiDi | I know how to write code but it stops there, so i'll need guidance from real devs again | 17:33 |
| SiDi | ochosi: yes | 17:33 |
| SiDi | they use actions in it | 17:33 |
| knome | [ACTION] SiDi needs help from "real" developers | 17:34 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: SiDi needs help from "real" developers | 17:34 |
| ochosi | and would that change if say thunar/gio was ready for karmic? | 17:34 |
| SiDi | it won't | 17:34 |
| knome | SiDi, do you specifically mean the xubuntu devs or the original app devs here? | 17:34 |
| SiDi | Apart from that, xfce4-volumed is implemented and working. | 17:34 |
| SiDi | knome: ours | 17:34 |
| knome | okay. | 17:34 |
| SiDi | i just need to be explained how to make a proper patch for a deb package | 17:34 |
| charlie-tca | Well, we do have cody-somerville and mr_pouit to help when needed, SiDi | 17:34 |
| knome | [ACTION] xfce4-volumed is implemented and working! -> SiDi adds this to the team report. | 17:35 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: xfce4-volumed is implemented and working! -> SiDi adds this to the team report. | 17:35 |
| SiDi | My volume daemon works nicely, but it still uses ram : 2.9 MB on my 64bits install, so i think it should be easy to unset it from autostart | 17:35 |
| knome | [ACTION] mr_pouit and cody-somerville help SiDi ;] | 17:35 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: mr_pouit and cody-somerville help SiDi ;] | 17:35 |
| SiDi | I also want to patch gnome-settings-daemon in order to make its notifications easier to read. If you spot apps that use long and hard to read notifications, please file a bug and add me to subscribers (and mail me ;p ) | 17:36 |
| knome | SiDi, anything else you'd like to add? | 17:36 |
| SiDi | Finally, i'll also see with the xfce4-power-manager dev if he can add support for the XF86Power key so that i could patch xfce4-power-manager to use more simple notifications too | 17:36 |
| knome | [ACTION] If you see lond and hard to read notifications, file a bug and add SiDi to subscribers and poke him | 17:36 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: If you see lond and hard to read notifications, file a bug and add SiDi to subscribers and poke him | 17:36 |
| SiDi | (but he's already made an awesome work patching xf-p-m to use notify-osd !) | 17:36 |
| * charlie-tca thinks that he won't be filing bugs for every notice he can't read. | 17:37 | |
| SiDi | I'm done with this topic, but there are other topics i'd like to speak about | 17:37 |
| knome | [AGREED] SiDi is too humble. Hooray SiDi! :) | 17:37 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: SiDi is too humble. Hooray SiDi! :) | 17:37 |
| SiDi | And i think ochosi may have a word to say about mail clients :p | 17:37 |
| knome | charlie-tca, lol ;) | 17:37 |
| SiDi | knome: come on Q.Q | 17:37 |
| knome | ochosi, ? | 17:37 |
| ochosi | well, SiDi and me had quite a few discussions about whether we prefer claws or tb | 17:37 |
| * SiDi is actually ABSOLUTELY NOT humble. | 17:37 | |
| ochosi | specifically for karmic | 17:38 |
| knome | oh right | 17:38 |
| knome | ochosi, can you wait a bit? | 17:38 |
| ochosi | np | 17:38 |
| knome | let's go through the other items quickly | 17:38 |
| knome | [TOPIC] Karmic Artwork Brainstorm | 17:38 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Karmic Artwork Brainstorm | 17:38 |
| ochosi | mm, i like that :) | 17:38 |
| knome | [AGREED] knomes brain is not storming enough. We still wait for the awesome artwork. | 17:38 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: knomes brain is not storming enough. We still wait for the awesome artwork. | 17:38 |
| SiDi | knome: ! | 17:39 |
| knome | [IDEA] Something sky/clouds-related | 17:39 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Something sky/clouds-related | 17:39 |
| knome | [IDEA] PINK mice | 17:39 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: PINK mice | 17:39 |
| SiDi | Pink ? | 17:39 |
| ochosi | +1 for pink mice | 17:39 |
| SiDi | Purple / Mauve artwork with sky and clouds and sunrise ? | 17:39 |
| charlie-tca | PINK??? | 17:39 |
| knome | [IDEA] Purple / Mauve artwork with sky and clouds and sunrise ? | 17:40 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Purple / Mauve artwork with sky and clouds and sunrise ? | 17:40 |
| knome | [IDEA] PINK??? | 17:40 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: PINK??? | 17:40 |
| knome | ;] | 17:40 |
| ochosi | i think you're the master of blue, knome. xubuntu should stay blue | 17:40 |
| knome | [IDEA] Something as dark as the Jaunty artwork? | 17:40 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Something as dark as the Jaunty artwork? | 17:40 |
| knome | [IDEA] Xubuntu should stay blue. | 17:40 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Xubuntu should stay blue. | 17:40 |
| charlie-tca | Kill that pink idea | 17:40 |
| SiDi | some hues of violet go very very well with blue | 17:40 |
| knome | [IDEA] Dark GTK theme. | 17:40 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Dark GTK theme. | 17:40 |
| SiDi | but pink is a bit hardcore | 17:41 |
| knome | [IDEA] knome will work with cody-somerville to include his dark GTK theme to some Karmic alpha. | 17:41 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: knome will work with cody-somerville to include his dark GTK theme to some Karmic alpha. | 17:41 |
| ochosi | i'm for dark panels with bright icons (especially for stuff like volume-icon etc) | 17:41 |
| knome | SiDi, charlie-tca: it was a joke.. :) | 17:41 |
| knome | [IDEA] Dark panels with bright icons. | 17:41 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Dark panels with bright icons. | 17:41 |
| SiDi | charlie-tca: on a a11y point of view, is dark panels ok ? | 17:41 |
| knome | [IDEA] Black panels with black and black icons. | 17:41 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Black panels with black and black icons. | 17:41 |
| ochosi | i'm for dark panels, no matter what gtk-theme is used for the rest tbh | 17:42 |
| charlie-tca | As long as panels and icons and text are all black, I guess so. | 17:42 |
| charlie-tca | That would fit in well with notify-osd for me ;-) | 17:42 |
| ochosi | hehe | 17:43 |
| knome | charlie-tca, remember when i worked with my dark theme? was that ok? | 17:43 |
| knome | charlie-tca, a11y-wise? | 17:43 |
| ochosi | i would also say that a theme joining the menu-bar and xfwm4 color-wise is nice (like the dust-theme) | 17:43 |
| charlie-tca | I think so. I just change it to something I can read anyway | 17:43 |
| ochosi | but i know that knome will beg to differ | 17:43 |
| knome | i don't like it personally. | 17:43 |
| SiDi | ochosi: like my last theme ? :D | 17:44 |
| knome | but if we decide to go that way... well i can change it to something i lie. :P | 17:44 |
| SiDi | http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Chromium+GTK+%2B+XFWM?content=108046 | 17:44 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Chromium+GTK+%2B+XFWM?content=108046 | 17:44 |
| SiDi | oh crap, mootbot | 17:44 |
| knome | [IDEA] Colorwise joined menubar and xfwm4? | 17:44 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Colorwise joined menubar and xfwm4? | 17:44 |
| ochosi | yay SiDi, nice theme btw | 17:44 |
| knome | okay, anybody has something for the artwork brainstorm? | 17:44 |
| SiDi | ochosi: it has a few (lots) of problems and work needed | 17:44 |
| SiDi | knome: you need to register to ubuntu-devel | 17:45 |
| ochosi | the icon theme will stay gnome-brave, knome ? | 17:45 |
| knome | SiDi, why? | 17:45 |
| SiDi | and watch what goes on with usplash ! | 17:45 |
| SiDi | They're gonna use a custom X server apparently | 17:45 |
| knome | ochosi, if no better theme will show up | 17:45 |
| knome | SiDi, right | 17:45 |
| SiDi | maybe asking kwwii and mat_t to keep you in touch about any official ubuntu artwork infrastructure changes may help too | 17:45 |
| charlie-tca | SiDi: we still it to be able to use a Xubuntu usplash, please. | 17:45 |
| knome | [ACTION] knome needs to join ubuntu-devel ML and see what is going on with usplash | 17:45 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: knome needs to join ubuntu-devel ML and see what is going on with usplash | 17:45 |
| ochosi | knome, i'm fine with gnome-brave, only one general question: i assume you'll try to build on top of the most recent version of the theme..? | 17:45 |
| SiDi | charlie-tca: usplash would make us lose some boot time probably | 17:45 |
| charlie-tca | We are using theirs now, and I want ours back | 17:46 |
| SiDi | it's gonna be dropped, and plymouth too, in profit of faster / lighter solutions | 17:46 |
| knome | ochosi, can you be more specific, please?:) | 17:46 |
| knome | [IDEA] Gnome-brave as the icon theme for Karmic also? | 17:46 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Gnome-brave as the icon theme for Karmic also? | 17:46 |
| * SiDi very dislikes some icons in gnome-brave | 17:46 | |
| ochosi | knome, well, victor has been working on the theme quite a bit on gnome-brave since you took it for jaunty | 17:46 |
| knome | [AGREED] Some icons are not as good as they could be | 17:46 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: Some icons are not as good as they could be | 17:46 |
| SiDi | i'm more for a recolored version of Human/Humanity/Breathe, even if it takes _more_ time to setup | 17:47 |
| knome | ochosi, oh right. yes, if the newest version is in the repos, we'll use it. | 17:47 |
| ochosi | knome, i see | 17:47 |
| knome | we're not going anywhere here and we're almost used all of our time | 17:47 |
| charlie-tca | We get good comments every release for not using Human, why would we go to it? | 17:47 |
| knome | so if there is nothing *reallY* important, let's go on | 17:47 |
| SiDi | if we keep gnome-brave, is it possible to get more Humanish media icons ? | 17:47 |
| ochosi | SiDi, so making a list of icons we don't like in gnome-brave wouldn't be enough? | 17:47 |
| ochosi | k | 17:47 |
| SiDi | especially _not colored_ icons | 17:47 |
| SiDi | ochosi: it'd be ok for me | 17:48 |
| SiDi | i just prefer humanity / breathe's style :p but at least g-b is very complete | 17:48 |
| knome | [IDEA] Gnome-brave with Humanish media icons? | 17:48 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Gnome-brave with Humanish media icons? | 17:48 |
| ochosi | SiDi, cause i think it's mainly some icons like folders that are crucial | 17:48 |
| SiDi | so a list of icons we dont like could do it | 17:48 |
| knome | [IDEA] Make a list of icons we don't like in Gnome-brave? | 17:48 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Make a list of icons we don't like in Gnome-brave? | 17:48 |
| charlie-tca | important: All images today are working. This is the time to grab them for testing karmic. | 17:48 |
| knome | :]]] | 17:48 |
| charlie-tca | We haven't actually had any images since alpha2 that worked | 17:48 |
| knome | ok, enough of artwork... | 17:49 |
| knome | [TOPIC] Other items/ free word | 17:49 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Other items/ free word | 17:49 |
| SiDi | ok, i let you begin ochosi | 17:49 |
| charlie-tca | and, gnumeric is broken again | 17:49 |
| knome | [ACTION] Grab the images, as *all of them* are working today! | 17:49 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Grab the images, as *all of them* are working today! | 17:49 |
| knome | [AGREED] Gnumeric is broken again | 17:49 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: Gnumeric is broken again | 17:49 |
| knome | [TOPIC] .. Default mail client for Karmic | 17:49 |
| ochosi | ok, so we had a few discussions about tb versus claws | 17:49 |
| MootBot | New Topic: .. Default mail client for Karmic | 17:49 |
| ochosi | i'll try to keep this as short as possible | 17:50 |
| knome | np, just tell everything you need to | 17:50 |
| knome | i think we can go a bit over 1 hour so absolutely *NO PANIC* :) | 17:50 |
| ochosi | i'm not entirely sure anymore, which is the best default mail client any more. in the beginning i was quite convinced that claws is amazing | 17:50 |
| ochosi | i still think it's amazing, but SiDi convinced me that it really has some usability issues | 17:50 |
| knome | thunderbird is great featurewise and many people would like to use it regardless if it's the default or not. | 17:51 |
| SiDi | *evil grin* | 17:51 |
| ochosi | the menus, the filtering, the settings dialog, most things are too cluttered | 17:51 |
| ochosi | yeah, i don't mind anymore if tb is the default | 17:51 |
| knome | hehe | 17:51 |
| ochosi | even though i'm not sure what you brought forward is a good argument, knome ;) | 17:51 |
| SiDi | i think we can afford to adopt it now as its not a LTS cycle | 17:51 |
| knome | [AGREED] TB beats claws feature- and usabilitywise. | 17:52 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: TB beats claws feature- and usabilitywise. | 17:52 |
| knome | ;) | 17:52 |
| SiDi | knome: TB doesnt beat claws featurewise as far as i understood | 17:52 |
| ochosi | well, it's a question of usability versus lightweight | 17:52 |
| ochosi | yes, i disagree with that too. it's not a feature-question | 17:52 |
| knome | [AGREED] It's a question of usability VS. lightweight | 17:52 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: It's a question of usability VS. lightweight | 17:52 |
| ochosi | you can do really *a lot* with claws | 17:52 |
| SiDi | If we go for claws though, we should expect to be able to greatly improve its flaws for the next release, and be ready to receive feedback (especially negative critique) | 17:52 |
| SiDi | in order to bring this feedback to the claws devs so they can improve it | 17:53 |
| knome | many people are not that familiar with claws. | 17:53 |
| ochosi | yes, i agree | 17:53 |
| knome | that's what makes TB look like as easier to use | 17:53 |
| ochosi | yeah, many people are not that familiar with thunar either ;) | 17:53 |
| SiDi | Also, do we believe that the users of xubuntu have the same profile than the users claws mail targets ? | 17:53 |
| ochosi | yes, that's a good question, SiDi | 17:53 |
| SiDi | ochosi: thunar is a piece of cake to use :) | 17:53 |
| ochosi | i never said anything else | 17:54 |
| ochosi | and i think that's what i think you devs have to decide | 17:54 |
| * ochosi goes to the doorbell. apologizes | 17:54 | |
| SiDi | I'd like to add something not so related but it should be in the meeting logs | 17:54 |
| knome | SiDi, wait a sec. | 17:55 |
| SiDi | Someone _MUST_ get in touch with alacarte's developer to see if he's worked on an xfce compatible menu editor | 17:55 |
| knome | [AGREED] We need to decide on the default mail client | 17:55 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: We need to decide on the default mail client | 17:55 |
| * SiDi waited a sec :P | 17:55 | |
| SiDi | (technically i mean ~) | 17:55 |
| knome | [TOPIC] .. Menu editor for Xfce?! | 17:55 |
| MootBot | New Topic: .. Menu editor for Xfce?! | 17:55 |
| ochosi | ok, back | 17:55 |
| mr_pouit | for 4.8 | 17:55 |
| SiDi | mr_pouit: so it will not be ready at all for Karmic ? | 17:55 |
| mr_pouit | no | 17:56 |
| SiDi | ok, i think its one of the biggest user expectations | 17:56 |
| SiDi | mr_pouit: its gonna be worked on by Jannis right ? | 17:56 |
| knome | [AGREED] No menu editor for 4.8 is bad. | 17:56 |
| mr_pouit | yes | 17:56 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: No menu editor for 4.8 is bad. | 17:56 |
| SiDi | knome: for 9.10 ;p | 17:56 |
| ochosi | yes i agree, many people complain about it. even though i don't think so many people really edit their menu... | 17:56 |
| knome | right.. sorry | 17:56 |
| knome | [AGREED] EDIT: No menu editor for 9.10 is bad. | 17:57 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: EDIT: No menu editor for 9.10 is bad. | 17:57 |
| SiDi | ochosi: usually you just remove half of it once, but doing it manually sucks for Xubuntu users | 17:57 |
| ochosi | SiDi, k | 17:57 |
| SiDi | ok so i suppose someone should take upon himself to grab alacarte's source and to make a fork out of it for XFCE ? | 17:57 |
| knome | [IDEA] Contact Alacarte dev to ask if they have worked for an Xfce compatible app? | 17:57 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Contact Alacarte dev to ask if they have worked for an Xfce compatible app? | 17:57 |
| SiDi | I think it was Jannis's plan anyway | 17:57 |
| knome | [IDEA] Somebody should fork Alacarte to work with Xfce | 17:57 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Somebody should fork Alacarte to work with Xfce | 17:57 |
| * SiDi is not gonna do it :p | 17:57 | |
| mr_pouit | no | 17:58 |
| knome | [IDEA] SiDi is going to do it ;] ... not. | 17:58 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: SiDi is going to do it ;] ... not. | 17:58 |
| mr_pouit | He's already working with Jannis | 17:58 |
| mr_pouit | there is no need to fork or whatever | 17:58 |
| SiDi | mr_pouit: but do you have recent news about it ? | 17:58 |
| knome | [ACTION] Jannis is working with the Alacarte dev already, no need to fork. | 17:58 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Jannis is working with the Alacarte dev already, no need to fork. | 17:58 |
| knome | ONLY A FEW MINUTES LEFT PEOPLE!!! | 17:58 |
| SiDi | afaik the alacarte dev will make a fork of it that works with XFCE | 17:59 |
| mr_pouit | SiDi: jannis has been working on thunar-gio recently | 17:59 |
| ochosi | what about the other default apps for karmic? | 17:59 |
| ochosi | i mean the ones where specs exist | 17:59 |
| knome | [TOPIC] .. Other default appsfor Karmic | 17:59 |
| MootBot | New Topic: .. Other default appsfor Karmic | 17:59 |
| SiDi | mr_pouit: yeh, i follow xfce-dev, and i know hes gonna be busy for a while with thunar, so thats why i was wondering if it would be ok to replace him for the work on the menu editor | 17:59 |
| knome | like which? | 17:59 |
| mr_pouit | SiDi: but 'everything' should be in a git experimental branch somewehere | 17:59 |
| knome | ochosi, ? | 18:00 |
| SiDi | ok so i suppose its time to talk about the music player | 18:00 |
| ochosi | ok, so there's music app (SiDi) | 18:00 |
| knome | we are technically out of time so only quick comments please | 18:00 |
| SiDi | knome: is there any urgency ? | 18:00 |
| knome | [TOPIC] .... Media player? | 18:00 |
| MootBot | New Topic: .... Media player? | 18:00 |
| knome | SiDi, i need to go soonish and i have to finish the meeting | 18:00 |
| ochosi | SiDi, did you have time to look into gmusicbrowser? | 18:00 |
| SiDi | Ok, so, i've had a look at the main media players for GTK | 18:00 |
| SiDi | ochosi: i launched it once or twice but i didnt look in details | 18:01 |
| SiDi | i didnt finish the spec actually | 18:01 |
| SiDi | i also had a look at parole | 18:01 |
| SiDi | and quod libet | 18:01 |
| knome | what about something mpd-powered? :} | 18:01 |
| SiDi | we're currently shipping Listen, so users dont expect to have something heavier with lesser features, sounds obvious | 18:01 |
| SiDi | knome: mpd is not adaptated at all for use with several users | 18:01 |
| ochosi | do you think that would be better in usability than claws, knome? :) | 18:01 |
| SiDi | and its a pain to configure | 18:01 |
| SiDi | i couldnt even get it to run with a GUI knome | 18:02 |
| knome | ochosi, there's no comparison between claws and mpd.. ;] | 18:02 |
| SiDi | and i didnt invest much more time that an average end user would | 18:02 |
| knome | SiDi, you suck. | 18:02 |
| SiDi | so thats quite bad | 18:02 |
| SiDi | knome: write me a tutorial then | 18:02 |
| knome | we would of course set that up. | 18:02 |
| knome | SiDi, right. i will when i have that 5mins time :P | 18:02 |
| SiDi | imo mpd is not adapted at all for per-user use | 18:02 |
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| SiDi | so i looked in details at rb / exaile / banshee / listen as they were the most feature-rich | 18:03 |
| SiDi | i know there are lighter GUI ones, ie. parole and gmusicbrowser, but i think it's better to offer a complete media suite as default | 18:03 |
| knome | true. | 18:03 |
| SiDi | as users who need something really lighter will go for mpd anyway | 18:03 |
| charlie-tca | yes it is, but not one tied to pulseaudio | 18:03 |
| knome | \o/ | 18:03 |
| SiDi | so i looked a tthe most obvious things. They all play music (yes they do), they work more or less the same in an xfce desktop | 18:04 |
| SiDi | listen became much much heavier than it used to be | 18:04 |
| SiDi | and it seems to be the one with the worse GUI and lesser features, so i think it can be safely dropped | 18:04 |
| SiDi | for dependencies, exaile may have a few more ones than listen (it puts more gstreamer plugins - needed anyway - into its recommanded deps) | 18:05 |
| SiDi | RB requires libgnome, brasero and other fancy stuff | 18:05 |
| SiDi | Banshee requires libgnome too, and ~100 MB of mono libs | 18:05 |
| knome | SiDi, what's your final outcome? | 18:05 |
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| SiDi | knome: im far from final outcome :p | 18:05 |
| knome | sorry if i'm rushing you... :P | 18:05 |
| SiDi | rb is the lightest for RAM usage | 18:05 |
| knome | SiDi, what's your current feeling? | 18:05 |
| SiDi | but it has memory leaks (they all have ~ ) | 18:05 |
| charlie-tca | Got to come up with one, though, if we drop listen | 18:05 |
| SiDi | the one with least memory leaks is exaile | 18:05 |
| SiDi | I'm for Exaile, personally | 18:06 |
| SiDi | but i cant take a decision on my own, it wouldnt be honnest ~ im too tied to exaile | 18:06 |
| knome | [IDEA] ATM SiDi is for Exaile | 18:06 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: ATM SiDi is for Exaile | 18:06 |
| SiDi | thats why im exposing this to you now | 18:06 |
| knome | i don't disagree with that. | 18:06 |
| ochosi | i'm for exaile too | 18:06 |
| SiDi | Exaile is light, has decent dependencies, not many memory leaks | 18:06 |
| knome | it might be a good choice really. | 18:06 |
| ochosi | at least with the choice given | 18:06 |
| knome | [AGREED] Exaile might be just what we want. | 18:06 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: Exaile might be just what we want. | 18:06 |
| SiDi | It has suffered from lack of development lately, but the 3 main devs are now extremely actively workingon it | 18:06 |
| charlie-tca | Let's propose replacing Listen with Exaile, then, and try to get cody-somerville to make the changes | 18:06 |
| SiDi | and Exaile 0.3 should be ready for Feature Freeze | 18:06 |
| SiDi | And since i thought it would be the best choice, i began working a little on exaile :) | 18:07 |
| knome | [ACTION] Let's propose replacing Listen with Exaile. | 18:07 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Let's propose replacing Listen with Exaile. | 18:07 |
| charlie-tca | We need to have cody-somerville seed exaile for testing | 18:07 |
| SiDi | ie. notification plugin (you can find vids of it in my youtube account) | 18:07 |
| knome | [ACTION] cody-somerville needs to seed Exaile for testing | 18:07 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: cody-somerville needs to seed Exaile for testing | 18:07 |
| charlie-tca | We can leave Listen there for now, and give exaile a chance to be tested | 18:07 |
| knome | [ACTION] SiDi has started working with Exaile already | 18:07 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: SiDi has started working with Exaile already | 18:07 |
| SiDi | and i'm working on some usability / GUI stuff, and also a plugin for better media keys support | 18:07 |
| SiDi | (so far NO player behaves correctly for the media keys outside of gnome) | 18:08 |
| knome | [AGREED] We can keep Listen for now, test Exaile and make the decision later. | 18:08 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: We can keep Listen for now, test Exaile and make the decision later. | 18:08 |
| SiDi | (Exaile had a plugin but i have to port it to the latest version for it to work fine) | 18:08 |
| SiDi | Thats all | 18:08 |
| knome | okay. | 18:08 |
| knome | any other default apps we should discuss? | 18:08 |
| SiDi | Now i'd like to say a word about the "Slim session down" spec | 18:08 |
| knome | o.O | 18:08 |
| charlie-tca | Anything better than firefox? | 18:08 |
| SiDi | charlie-tca: not yet :) | 18:08 |
| knome | [TOPIC] .. "Slim session down" -spec | 18:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: .. "Slim session down" -spec | 18:08 |
| charlie-tca | In Karmic, it uses 3-10 percent of the cpu continuously | 18:09 |
| knome | charlie-tca, epiphany does not work, midori is too alpha. | 18:09 |
| SiDi | midori is lighter than it used to be | 18:09 |
| SiDi | it has support for flash and various basic things | 18:09 |
| knome | SiDi, but it is still too alpha. | 18:09 |
| charlie-tca | epiphany don't work? | 18:09 |
| SiDi | but i think its far from FF's features (of course since FF is heavily funded) | 18:09 |
| knome | epiphany/midori crash all the time | 18:09 |
| SiDi | yeh they're very unstable | 18:09 |
| knome | for me at least | 18:09 |
| charlie-tca | midori I have fought with. I need to do a bug report for it for xfce | 18:09 |
| knome | that's unacceptable. | 18:09 |
| SiDi | so is chromium (all webkit based ~ muaha) | 18:09 |
| knome | SiDi, see the topic :P | 18:10 |
| knome | SiDi, slim! | 18:10 |
| SiDi | knome: i know you switched too fast ~ :P | 18:10 |
| knome | SiDi, session! :P | 18:10 |
| SiDi | Ok so i had an idea | 18:10 |
| knome | [IDEA] ?? | 18:10 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: ?? | 18:10 |
| SiDi | According to comparisons we mostly lose on the default desktop's RAM usage | 18:10 |
| charlie-tca | SiDi: that one could be a good idea? | 18:10 |
| SiDi | thats quite logical : we ship update-notifier and other fancy stuff that takes some RAM | 18:10 |
| knome | [AGREED] According to comparisons we mostly lose on the default desktop's RAM usage | 18:10 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: According to comparisons we mostly lose on the default desktop's RAM usage | 18:10 |
| SiDi | now the bad news is that its not going to be better in karmic | 18:11 |
| knome | [AGREED] We stip update-notifier and other fancy stuff that takes some RAM | 18:11 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: We stip update-notifier and other fancy stuff that takes some RAM | 18:11 |
| SiDi | of course, apps get more features so more RAM usage, and if we add notify-osd / xfce4-volumed we may lose a few megs too | 18:11 |
| SiDi | so my idea is the following ! | 18:11 |
| knome | [AGREED] It's not going to be better in Karmic. | 18:11 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: It's not going to be better in Karmic. | 18:11 |
| knome | ;) | 18:11 |
| SiDi | We should be able to check the user's RAM during the install | 18:11 |
| knome | [IDEA] ??!! | 18:11 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: ??!! | 18:11 |
| charlie-tca | I disagree with that agreed thing | 18:11 |
| knome | [AGREED] charlie-tca disagrees... | 18:12 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: charlie-tca disagrees... | 18:12 |
| SiDi | and if user has less than XXX RAM, we should disable some daemons from autostart | 18:12 |
| ochosi | sounds experimental | 18:12 |
| SiDi | till we estimate that the average ram usage would be under YYY | 18:12 |
| SiDi | ochosi: indeed. i dont know if its feasible | 18:12 |
| knome | [IDEA] Check the RAM at installation stage, disable some daemons from autostart automatically | 18:12 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Check the RAM at installation stage, disable some daemons from autostart automatically | 18:12 |
| charlie-tca | SiDi: if we can disable them for some users, why do we have them? | 18:12 |
| SiDi | the idea is that we disable all the non-vital userspace daemons for users with not enough RAM | 18:12 |
| SiDi | charlie-tca: because they're a good plus for usability | 18:12 |
| SiDi | but i mean, do you _really_ need them ? update-notifier is enhancement | 18:12 |
| SiDi | xfce4-volumed too | 18:13 |
| SiDi | you can useyour computer without them, even if its better when they run | 18:13 |
| knome | [IDEA] Disable any enhancements for all users and not only for those with low RAM? | 18:13 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Disable any enhancements for all users and not only for those with low RAM? | 18:13 |
| charlie-tca | If not everybody gets them, how do they decide Xubuntu is really worth using? | 18:13 |
| SiDi | but if we want users with 200 MB of ram to can use Xubuntu, we can save 30/40 MB ram this way | 18:13 |
| charlie-tca | Seems like everybody should have the same things running. | 18:13 |
| SiDi | charlie-tca: it would be only on critical RAM | 18:13 |
| knome | [IDEA] Users are able to disable services themselves... | 18:13 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Users are able to disable services themselves... | 18:13 |
| ochosi | i think this is difficult, you won't have consistent experiences of xubuntu anymore | 18:13 |
| charlie-tca | We can use Jaunty in 128MB, we should instead pare down karmic to use that | 18:14 |
| SiDi | What if we ship a checkbox "Disable userspace services by default" in the Advanced tab of the installer ? | 18:14 |
| knome | [AGREED] We want consistent experience for all Xubuntu users, so we can't cut down on default daemons | 18:14 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: We want consistent experience for all Xubuntu users, so we can't cut down on default daemons | 18:14 |
| knome | [IDEA] Checkbox for disabling userspace services by default? | 18:14 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Checkbox for disabling userspace services by default? | 18:14 |
| SiDi | charlie-tca: im not sure you can get _Xubuntu_ running under 128 forever | 18:14 |
| knome | we don't need to get it running *under* 128 | 18:15 |
| SiDi | Xfce is not so light, GDM takes a good 30 MB, and we add some ubuntu stuff that isnt light at all (including my own daemon) | 18:15 |
| knome | is that it? | 18:15 |
| charlie-tca | I have three systems using Xubuntu, they all need to be the same. They should never be different if they are using the same thing. | 18:15 |
| charlie-tca | SiDi: I don't think we can, but we need to maintain consistent interfaces and applications for all users | 18:16 |
| knome | [IDEA] ydupont stepped up; he wants to include SLIM in Xubuntu | 18:16 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: ydupont stepped up; he wants to include SLIM in Xubuntu | 18:16 |
| SiDi | Well, thats all i had to say :) | 18:16 |
| ochosi | i think we should decide what "light" means. just ram usage? | 18:16 |
| charlie-tca | If Xubuntu can't be used, we should say so | 18:16 |
| knome | okay, anything else? | 18:16 |
| knome | phew | 18:16 |
| SiDi | knome: it requires a lot of work prior to working | 18:16 |
| SiDi | ochosi: yeh, ram usage here indeed | 18:16 |
| knome | he's willing to do it | 18:16 |
| ScottK | Note: neither Ubuntu nor Kubuntu disable compositing by default because some video hardware doesn't support it. | 18:16 |
| SiDi | ScottK: and some users cant boot :p | 18:17 |
| knome | SiDi, that might not be in for karmic, but the work can be started now. | 18:17 |
| knome | anything else about anything? | 18:17 |
| ScottK | SiDi: Sure, but the point is it's not at all unusual to treat different hardware configurations somewhat differently. | 18:17 |
| knome | i'm ending the meeting soon... | 18:17 |
| charlie-tca | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument | 18:17 |
| knome | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument | 18:18 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument | 18:18 |
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| SiDi | Well i'm done then | 18:18 |
| charlie-tca | defines our strategy. Perhaps we all need to review it to find out where xubuntu is supposed to be going? | 18:18 |
| knome | PHEW! THANKS! | 18:18 |
| knome | charlie-tca, that is wonderfully said | 18:18 |
| SiDi | charlie-tca: i have the feeling that we want to be lightweight and feature ful at the same time :) | 18:18 |
| knome | [IDEA] Perhaps we all need to review it to find out where Xubuntu is supposed to be going? | 18:19 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Perhaps we all need to review it to find out where Xubuntu is supposed to be going? | 18:19 |
| charlie-tca | and we can be | 18:19 |
| knome | #endmeeting | 18:19 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 12:19. | 18:19 |
| SiDi | one day we will have to meet and define what we want to do, but now isnt the best time for it | 18:19 |
| knome | yep. | 18:19 |
| SiDi | okwell, thanks everyone for coming :p | 18:19 |
| charlie-tca | SiDi: the strategy docs do define that | 18:19 |
| knome | impromptu meetings are allowed as well about the smaller items | 18:19 |
| knome | thanks | 18:19 |
| knome | somebody want to set up the minutes? | 18:19 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks for chairing, knome | 18:19 |
| knome | charlie-tca, no problem | 18:19 |
| knome | even if we took 20mins extra ;) | 18:19 |
| ochosi | yay, i think that's a good sign :) | 18:20 |
| SiDi | thats ok knome :p | 18:20 |
| ochosi | at least in some respect | 18:20 |
| knome | SiDi, i will sacrifice one kitten for every extra minute | 18:20 |
| SiDi | We didnt get shout at anyway | 18:20 |
| * SiDi kills knome instantly with a fireball | 18:20 | |
| knome | :P | 18:21 |
| knome | ok, i'll put the minutes online then. | 18:21 |
| SiDi | okies :p | 18:21 |
| knome | it will take some time but i'll do it | 18:21 |
| knome | thanks, i'll go have some time with my *wife* | 18:21 |
| knome | ... | 18:21 |
| knome | SiDi, *I* got shouted at... :P | 18:21 |
| knome | -> | 18:21 |
| charlie-tca | \o/ | 18:22 |
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