[00:00] <ScottK> neversfelde: Not sure what you mean?
[00:00]  * ScottK hasn't looked at Jaunty at all.
[00:15] <txwikinger> where does konqui save the information which sites to restore for restart?
[00:15] <neversfelde> ah, I see
[00:25] <txwikinger> thanks I found something else that helped
[00:33] <ScottK> Sime: Is there still a PyQt4 release happening this weekend?
[01:04] <ScottK> neversfelde: kdegames changes updated in bzr.
[01:05] <neversfelde> k
[01:51] <ryanakca> ScottK: Sure
[01:52] <ScottK> ryanakca: I actually found my password in the meantime.
[01:52] <ryanakca> ScottK: ok, doesn't need to be done?
[01:52] <ScottK> neversfelde: How's Jaunty?
[01:52] <ryanakca> Guess not :)
[01:53] <neversfelde> ScottK: slow progress, I nneded nearly 2,5 h for a kdebase-workspace testbuild
[01:53] <ScottK> neversfelde: I can imagine.  Mine took about that long too.
[01:53] <ryanakca> ScottK: Did you want me to add the sources line along with the GPG key blurb or will we have a seperate announcement for when the Jaunty packages are available?
[01:54] <neversfelde> it is ready for uploading, so the core packages are nearly complete now
[01:54] <ScottK> ryanakca: I left it out because jaunty wasn't ready.  Instead of a separate announcement, I'd just add an "Updated:" section at the bottom of the current one when it is.
[01:55] <ryanakca> OK
[01:55] <ScottK> neversfelde: Please give ryanakca a ping when it's up and ready.
[01:55] <neversfelde> will do
[01:55] <ScottK> Thanks.
[01:56] <ryanakca> neversfelde: I'm off to go have supper, but I'll be back in half an hour or so
[01:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Will you please look at kdegames in binary New when you have a moment.
[01:56] <neversfelde> ryanakca: I will need much more time :)
[01:56] <ryanakca> neversfelde: Tomorrow?
[01:57] <neversfelde> ryanakca: it is 3 am here, so it is tomorrow :)
[01:58] <ryanakca> neversfelde: ah :)
[01:58] <neversfelde> ryanakca: if you are not available, I will write an Update for the news and search for someone who can publish it
[02:01] <ScottK> I should be around tomorrow afternoon (-0400).
[03:13] <ScottK> So if we want ark to be able to pry open our shiny new lzma debs we need to build kde4libs against xv-utils.
[03:13] <ScottK> This is currently in Debian New.
[03:14] <ScottK> Anyone for asking the guy that packaged it for a copy of the packaging so we can get it in here?
[03:26] <coreymon77> hi everyone
[03:26] <coreymon77> its been a while
[03:49] <ScottK> Hello coreymon77.
[04:03] <coreymon77> ScottK: been a while, hasnt it?
[04:04] <ScottK> yes it has.  What's up?
[04:04] <coreymon77> not much
[04:04] <coreymon77> school was crazy this year
[04:04] <coreymon77> but now i am done high school
[04:04] <ScottK> What's next?
[04:04] <coreymon77> university
[04:05] <ScottK> Where?
[04:05] <coreymon77> waterloo
[04:05] <coreymon77> in staying in my province
[04:06] <coreymon77> unfortunately, i havent been able to do as much as i used to when it comes to kubuntu development and support as my old dell box (the one i run kubuntu on) has gotten to the point where it can no longer reliably run any newer versions of kubuntu
[04:06] <coreymon77> its just not powerful enough
[04:06] <ScottK> What's it got in it?
[04:07] <coreymon77> its a dell box from back when xp was released
[04:07] <coreymon77> already doubled to ram and upgraded the hd to keep it going
[04:08] <coreymon77> windows is slow as heck and kubuntu is beginning to bog down
[04:08] <ScottK> How much RAM?
[04:08] <coreymon77> dont remember
[04:09] <coreymon77> i tried kde4 on it and, sadly, no matter what i did, it does not seem to be able to run it reliably, so, ya
[04:09] <coreymon77> only so much i can do now
[04:10] <ScottK> Did you try Jaunty?  I think it's a bit faster/lighter than Intrepid was.
[04:10] <coreymon77> to be honest, i havent done much on that computer lately
[04:10] <coreymon77> its been acting up
[04:12] <ScottK> mkay
[07:53] <Sime> ScottK: I've heard "probably".
[09:28] <neversfelde> can someone help me to copy the packages from staging to backports? I have never done it and we need more space to finish
[09:28] <neversfelde> kdepim is still needed and I have a fix for kdegames
[09:46] <a|wen> neversfelde: go to the staging PPA, click copy, choose packages and backports as target PPA, click done
[09:47] <a|wen> and ask away while you are at it if in doubt about anything
[09:47] <neversfelde> a|wen: copy binaries and no rebuild?
[09:48] <a|wen> neversfelde: yeah
[10:50] <neversfelde> Upgrade test went ok, but I can't copy, because Launchpad gives a timeout error
[12:02] <ScottK> neversfelde: Don't do so many at once then.
[12:03] <neversfelde> ScottK: yeah, everything is copied  only kdepim is missing. I am currently testbuilding because lex is not around to upload his version
[12:03] <ScottK> neversfelde: I'd just upload it, but up to you.
[12:04] <neversfelde> ScottK: I will upload it to staging, deleted some packages there. Only the build can fail ..
[12:05] <ryanakca> Morning neversfelde :)
[12:05] <neversfelde> hi ryanakca
[12:06]  * ryanakca wonders if neversfelde is human and ever sleeps
[12:12] <neversfelde> ryanakca: power napping in front of my displays :)
[12:12] <Blizzz> ryanakca: i met him. he behaves humanly, moves humanly and drinks beer hu... well he drinks it.  he even talks humanly. but i have no proof for his sleep demeanor.
[12:12] <neversfelde> hehe
[12:12]  * ryanakca grins
[12:37] <ryanakca> Riddell, ScottK, whoever else that has access to the website: In the future, if you're announcing something new in the PPAs, I created a content type, PPA Release, that has pretty templates that include the sources.list line and how to add the GPG key... just copy paste the template for the appropriate PPA and describe what's new.
[12:38] <ScottK> ryanakca: Thanks.
[12:40] <ScottK> ryanakca: It looks like neversfelde is getting close. I suspect I'll be out and you will get the honor of updating the rc 2 announcement.
[12:40] <ryanakca> ScottK: OK, have fun :)
[12:42] <ryanakca> ScottK: Do you think I could add a <!--break--> tag under the "Users of our stable 9.04 release can install it from the Kubuntu Backports PPA." line in the RC1 announcement, and all similar announcements? The front page will get rather long with all the "Add this line, install this key, etc." blurbs...
[12:42] <ryanakca> (<!--break--> creates a "More..." link)
[12:45] <neversfelde> ryanakca: I think it i s a good idea to break the text somewhere
[12:46] <ScottK> ryanakca: I'd say go for it.  It takes just a moment to revert it if it doesn't work out.
[12:47] <ryanakca> Also, looking at bug 397829 , should we be adding a blurb saying that these backports are unsupported? People are using LP's answer tracker to ask questions about them...
[12:47] <ryanakca> Well, linked to them.
[12:48] <ScottK> ryanakca: I think we need to decide how we are going to support them and tell people how to get support.
[12:48] <ScottK> apachelogger wrote a mail to the ML a while ago about that.
[13:59] <neversfelde> mhh, now kdepim is building in backports and staging
[13:59] <neversfelde> lex79: :)
[14:07] <lex79> neversfelde:  :(  sorry I didn't see ppa backports before my upload, I saw only batcave
[14:08] <neversfelde> no problem, it will last a little bit longer, but should be no difference
[14:08] <lex79> and I was just awake :)
[14:11] <Blizzz> you should take the advantages of drinking lot coffee ;)
[14:17] <neversfelde> I think I should go to bed or at least power napping again :)
[14:42] <neversfelde> lex79, ryanakca: I think the backports are ready and we can announce them?
[14:53] <smarter> ScottK: my ask-before-removing-applets patch is ready :)
[14:53] <smarter> though I haven't tested it against RC2, but hopefully it should apply cleanly
[14:53] <smarter> should I upload it to some bzr branch?
[14:56] <smarter> also, it only works with applet in a panel, because when using it against applets on the desktop it triggered a bizarre crash in the applet handle(the thing used to move the applet around :))
[15:10] <ryanakca> neversfelde: Yep
[15:14] <ryanakca> neversfelde: Done
[15:45] <Blizzz> lol, ksnapshot won't let me select a region on my other screen
[16:40] <ScottK> smarter: I think on the panel is fine.
[16:41] <smarter> yep
[16:41] <ScottK> smarter: Some bzr branch or just mail the patch to Kubuntu Devel
[16:42] <ScottK> smarter: If this works, we should see about getting it upstream.
[16:44] <smarter> sure
[17:29] <shtylman> ScottK: tried new kernel...no luck
[17:30] <ScottK> seele: We had a new user send in a very long and rambling feedback to ubuntu-devel yesterday.  The one (I think) actionable point in his mail was he'd accidentally removed his kicker widget from his panel and could not figure out how to get it back short of reinstalling.  smarter has come up with a patch to ask the user to confirm removal of selected widgets from the panel.  Any thoughts from a usability perpsective?
[17:32]  * ScottK has to run for a bit, so smarter and seele, please discuss ....
[17:38] <kxmas> ScottK: a confirmation on removing widgets would be nice.  I suppose a program that could restore the default settings (just delete config/plasma*rc?) would be helpful too
[17:39] <smarter> deleting plasma-desktop-appletsrc should be enough to get back to Kubuntu defaults(assuming kubuntu-default-settings is installed)
[17:40] <smarter> but I'm not sure where a "restore default" button would be placed
[17:40] <Blizzz> smarter: maybe in the cashew menu
[17:41] <smarter> there's going to be too much stuff there :)
[17:41] <smarter> waiting for the new "add/remove widgets" dialog might be better
[17:41] <smarter> (but that means KDE 4.4)
[17:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: how about publishing a raster using Qt build in some PPA?
[17:52] <smarter> hey apachelogger
[17:52] <smarter> just pushed to kdelibs bzr my patch for ask-before-removing-applet-dialog :)
[17:53] <smarter> this require changes to the settings of the plasmoids to "protect", but plasma-desktop-appletsrc in kds seems to be almost empty,
[17:53] <apachelogger> smarter: http://reviewboard.kde.org
[17:53] <smarter> yep, I'll post it there, once I'm more confident about it :p
[17:54] <apachelogger> just don't forget about it
[17:54] <smarter> sure
[17:54] <apachelogger> btw, about the settings
[17:54] <apachelogger> maybe it makes more sense to use desktop file information indeed
[17:54] <kxmas> smarter: something on restore the defaults the plasma "add / remove widgets" woud be perfect I think
[17:54] <apachelogger> or possible both... use desktop file unless setting available
[17:54] <apachelogger> *possibly
[17:54] <smarter> no idea :p
[17:55] <smarter> Is [AppletGlobals][plasma_applet_launcher] the correct place for the kickoff plasmoid settings?
[17:55] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[17:55] <smarter> this is confusing :p
[17:55] <kxmas> when you don't have any plasma applets, what else is left?
[17:55] <apachelogger> last I looked at the config was in 4.0 times
[17:56] <apachelogger> kxmas: don't remove all applets :P
[17:57]  * apachelogger is sorting the mail stack on his desk
[17:58] <Nightrose> apachelogger: did you see that Riddell said he uploaded liblastfm to jaunty backports
[17:58] <Nightrose> ?
[17:58] <apachelogger> yes I did
[17:59] <kxmas> apachelogger: that message needs to get out to all the KDE newbies If I delete all the applets, I'm just proving how configurable KDE is :)
[17:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that doesn't help any more than it being in karmic because neon cant depend on backports
[17:59] <Nightrose> so what to do?
[18:00] <apachelogger> either you get someone to create a neon package or you get some patience :P
[18:01] <Nightrose> i think i am quite patient ;-)
[18:01] <Nightrose> last build was june 12th
[18:02] <apachelogger> well, I told you what the most sensible and easiest fix is :P
[18:02] <Nightrose> yes but that is not going to happen anytime soon either
[18:03] <apachelogger> uhhhh
[18:03] <apachelogger> I found chocolate!!!
[18:05] <Nightrose> ok
[18:06] <Nightrose> is there anyone who can package liblastfm in a neon-compatible way?
[18:06] <Nightrose> users are asking for for new neon packages since a month now
[18:06] <Nightrose> :(
[18:07] <kxmas> I thought neon was a nightly refresh?
[18:07] <Nightrose> yes but it doesn't build right now
[18:07] <Nightrose> because there is no liblastfm package
[18:07] <Nightrose> right now being 1 month now
[18:09] <smarter> hmm, the settings in plasma-desktop-appletsrc don't appear to work at all
[18:11] <smarter> at least for SwitchTabsOnHover=false
[18:13] <apachelogger> maybe kiosk is broken
[18:13] <apachelogger> technically it should work
[18:18] <apachelogger> Riddell, ryanakca: http://www.kubuntu.org/node/89 << urly is ugly
[18:23] <Quintasan> hiho
[18:25] <apachelogger> neversfelde: how is the SRU coming along?
[18:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yo
[18:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: how was the party?
[18:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: oh well, my grandma is supposed to be 80, but I don't belive it :D
[18:30] <apachelogger> Does anyone need the printed manuals of suse 9.0 to 10.0?
[18:30] <Quintasan> not after what she took out from fridge
[18:30] <apachelogger> haha
[18:31]  * Quintasan is full of cake
[18:32] <apachelogger> hm
[18:32] <apachelogger> I am out of vodka
[18:32] <apachelogger> good thing I am not at home tue-wed
[18:33] <smarter> okay, after a little modification to my patch, it works with global applets settings
[18:33] <smarter> but the settings from kds still seem to be ignored
[18:34]  * smarter commits anyway
[18:34] <apachelogger> lol
[18:35]  * apachelogger removes his KDE 3 => 4 migration diagrams from the wall
[18:36] <apachelogger> now my room looks kinda empty Oo
[18:44] <smarter> okay, the kds setting actually work, it was just a PBCAK
[18:44] <smarter> cool :)
[18:45] <smarter> *works
[18:49] <kxmas> I just upgraded from RC1 to RC2, Akonadi was working, but now, control isn't registered with D-BUS
[18:52] <kxmas> Akonadi should be more helpful with diagnosing these errors.  I'm hunting for log files now, no idea where they are
[18:59] <kxmas> [akonadiserver] InnoDB: The error means mysqld does not have the access rights to
[18:59] <kxmas> [akonadiserver] InnoDB: the directory.
[18:59] <kxmas> [akonadiserver] InnoDB: File name ./ib_logfile0
[18:59] <kxmas> [akonadiserver] InnoDB: File operation call: 'create'.
[18:59] <kxmas> [akonadiserver] InnoDB: Cannot continue operation.
[18:59] <kxmas> [akonadiserver] "
[18:59] <kxmas> [akonadiserver] exit code: 1
[18:59] <kxmas> [akonadiserver] process error: "Unknown error"
[19:00] <kxmas> not sure why that would crop up now, and not in 4.3RC1
[19:09]  * apachelogger recommends reboot
[19:12] <e-jat> apachelogger: any temporary fix for bug 334122
[19:12] <apachelogger> no?
[19:12] <e-jat> im in karmic right now
[19:13] <apachelogger> update to latest svn
[19:13] <apachelogger> maybe it helps
[19:13] <e-jat> owh ..
[19:17] <e-jat> svn976478 <-- is it the latest?
[19:20] <e-jat> have u try using usb 3g modem ?
[19:28] <DaskreeCH_> Riddell: Pretty sure that 27 and 29 in your group picture are the Pardus guys
[19:33] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I wrote it, attached a debdiff and MOTU SRU is already subscribed, what is the next step?
[19:33] <apachelogger> neversfelde: poke someone from MOTU SRU
[19:33] <apachelogger> to speed it up a bit ;-)
[19:33] <neversfelde> ok
[20:42]  * ScottK waves to agateau.
[20:42]  * agateau waves back
[20:43] <ScottK> agateau: How is your DX work coming?  I haven't heard much from you recently.
[20:44] <agateau> ScottK: Things are going fine: we agreed on an extension of the fd.o notification spec to meet KDE needs
[20:44] <agateau> and I have patches ready to commit for KDE4.4
[20:44]  * ScottK also wonders if perhaps agateau can go across town to Tonio's aparement and extract from him the not yet delivered and overdue Kubuntu Netbook default settings.
[20:44] <DaskreeCH_> agateau: Go.
[20:44] <agateau> I will probably come back to you with KDE4.3 version of the patches for backports
[20:44] <DaskreeCH_> KDE 4.4 is pen for commits
[20:44] <DaskreeCH_> open
[20:45]  * agateau leavs 70km from Paris
[20:45] <agateau> *lives
[20:45] <ScottK> agateau: Compared to here, that's VERY close.
[20:45] <agateau> ScottK: true :)
[20:45] <ScottK> agateau: So is there a final decision in the spec on actions?
[20:46] <agateau> DaskreeCH_: yes, my patches will probably be applied this week to KDE trunk
[20:46] <ScottK> agateau: What do the patches do then?
[20:46] <DaskreeCH_> Hopefulyl KDE goes Git during the KDE 4.4 dev cycle
[20:46] <DaskreeCH_>  then maybe by 4.6 we can have summer in trunk
[20:47] <agateau> implement the new spec and make KDE uses org.freedesktop.Notifications instead of org.kde.VisualNotifications
[20:47] <agateau> means => KDE and GNOME notifications are unified
[20:47] <ScottK> agateau: So how much different will it be to KDE users?
[20:47] <agateau> ScottK: GNOME notifications will show in Plasma
[20:48] <ScottK> NCommander: Any thoughts on armel?  100% of KDE FTBFS this time around.
[20:48] <DaskreeCH_> usingwhich system?
[20:49] <ScottK> DaskreeCH_: If I understand it, there's only Plasma needed to display.  Application talks on the bus and KNotification listens on the bus.
[20:50] <DaskreeCH_> Right so what ever system is listening triggers a response
[20:50] <agateau> That's it
[20:50] <DaskreeCH_> and how the system shows the notices is up to implementation?
[20:50] <DaskreeCH_> I remember there being some back and forth on that
[20:51] <agateau> DaskreeCH_: it's up to which implementation of the spec server is running
[20:51] <DaskreeCH_> So the server can dictate what the end notifications are capable of doing?
[20:51] <DaskreeCH_> Well I know that obviously it can. But it does that by design ?
[20:52] <ScottK> agateau: This is good news as this is one of the goals we said we wanted to achieve at UDS.
[20:52] <agateau> ScottK: yes
[20:52] <agateau> DaskreeCH_: a "server" in the fd.o spec is the process responsible for displaying notifications
[20:52] <agateau> Plasma is such a server
[20:52] <agateau> notify-osd is another one
[20:52] <agateau> the original one was notification-daemon
[20:53] <ScottK> agateau: Does this mean that notifications from KDE apps will display in Gnome for Karmic?
[20:53] <agateau> ScottK: yes, using notify-osd
[20:54] <ScottK> agateau: OK.  What happens if a user has both Ubuntu and Kubuntu desktops installed and they are in a KDE session.  Does plasma get to display the notifications?
[20:54] <DaskreeCH_> ah it serves the notification.. that's mind bending :)
[20:54] <agateau> ScottK: yes
[20:55] <agateau> Plasma register itself as an implementation of the fd.o spec notification
[20:55] <DaskreeCH_> So the layer 8 is the client ?
[20:55] <ScottK> agateau: And then the reverse if in a Gnome session.
[20:55] <ScottK> Sounds just about right.
[20:55] <agateau> ScottK: that's it
[20:55] <DaskreeCH_> ScottK: or both if the users starts them manually! \o/
[20:56] <ScottK> User does that gets what they deserve.
[20:56] <agateau> DaskreeCH_: no, only one server can bind itself to the dbus path at a time
[20:56] <DaskreeCH_> Layer 8 :)
[20:56] <DaskreeCH_> agateau: boo
[20:56] <agateau> :)
[20:56] <DaskreeCH_> agateau: A proxy server that reserves it? :)
[20:56] <DaskreeCH_> re-serves
[20:56] <agateau> DaskreeCH_: feel free to implement this :)
[20:57] <DaskreeCH_> would be great for testing
[20:57] <DaskreeCH_> also would be good if someone wants to use KDE notifications that Gnome doesn't supply
[20:57] <DaskreeCH_> like sound
[20:58] <ScottK> DaskreeCH_: Such users should run KDE.
[20:58] <ScottK> agateau: Were you at GCDS?
[20:58] <DaskreeCH_> ScottK: Unless they like epheral visual notifications
[20:58] <agateau> ScottK: yes I was
[20:58] <ScottK> I saw dbarth in the Akademy group photo, but I missed you.
[20:59] <ScottK> DaskreeCH_: Our notifications are ephemeral unless the user disables that.
[20:59] <DaskreeCH_> bah ethereal
[21:00] <DaskreeCH_> not ephemeral :)
[21:00] <ScottK> No, that's called wireshark now.
[21:00] <DaskreeCH_> Ha ha :)
[21:00] <DaskreeCH_> !info ethereal
[21:01] <ScottK> IIRC only Dapper still.
[21:01] <DaskreeCH_> wow someone actually removed an old package
[21:01] <DaskreeCH_> granted I do like being able to click through Ubuntu's notifications if my mouse happens to be in that area
[21:02] <DaskreeCH_> I really should submit a patch that has a few seconds of ghost like qualities if the mouse is in that area when it pops up
[21:03] <ScottK> DaskreeCH_: I really like being able to click 'view' in Quassel's notification and get right to the channel where someone has just pinged me.
[21:04] <DaskreeCH_> ScottK: Of course but I think it's useful that if you are clicking and a notification jumps in front of your mouse you don't open Kmail acidentally
[21:05] <ScottK> DaskreeCH_: True.  I think it could stand with some refinement.
[21:05] <DaskreeCH_> 1.5 seconds of not being there if the mouse is already there is about right I think
[21:05] <ScottK> I suspect that's about 3 times longer than needed.
[21:05] <DaskreeCH_> if there is no mouse then presumably the time taken for travesal should be slower than the brain which can rethink clicking there
[21:06] <DaskreeCH_> ScottK: Yeah I'm not good at estimating peoplle's reaction time
[21:06] <ScottK> This being KDE, the delay should have a setting ....
[21:07] <DaskreeCH_> and I'm guessing if you were looking there and clicking at something behind it then the time taken to shift and read the notice would probably take that time
[21:07] <DaskreeCH_> ScottK: Wellll of course :)
[21:07] <DaskreeCH_> Off/on Time to delay if on
[21:07] <DaskreeCH_> done in ms
[21:07] <DaskreeCH_> well also always and mouse detection I would guess
[21:07] <smarter> DaskreeCH_: you want clicks to go "through" the notifications?
[21:08] <DaskreeCH_> smarter: If the mouse is already there
[21:08] <smarter> I'd consider that a bug :p
[21:08] <DaskreeCH_> so that if I'm already clicking in the area and a notification pops up then I don't click the notification and trigger something like a system upgrade
[21:09] <smarter> It's not like you usually have buttons or stuff in that area
[21:09] <DaskreeCH_> which is 12 seconds of damn it *wait for it to start* close Go back to what you were doing
[21:09] <smarter> and stuff like system upgrade should ask for a second confirmation
[21:09] <DaskreeCH_> smarter: Which area?
[21:09] <smarter> bottom right
[21:09] <DaskreeCH_> I have my notification about 3/4 way up from the bottom on the left
[21:09] <DaskreeCH_> Having choice in KDE is grand aint it?
[21:10] <smarter> :p
[21:10] <DaskreeCH_> smarter: Yes but with my system it's  1 second of delay time instead fo12
[21:10] <smarter> and the button is really small, you'd be really unlucky if you clicked on it
[21:11] <DaskreeCH_> I normally use alt+ctrl+a so I just use the notifications as a stream of what's happening
[21:11] <smarter> what's ctrl+alt+a?
[21:11] <DaskreeCH_> So effectively Ubuntu's current system would be great as long as it's not in Gnome
[21:12] <DaskreeCH_> It pops up the last thing in the queue that asked for attention
[21:12] <DaskreeCH_> fan-frikking-tastic
[21:12] <DaskreeCH_> I'm wholly unable to use anything else just cause of that key combo. If something is asking for my attention why can't I pay attention to it?
[21:13] <DaskreeCH_> My brain keeps mashing alt+ctrl+a in every other De and OS wondering why I can't pop up whatever just said Oy!
[21:13] <smarter> I usually use alt+tab for that
[21:14] <DaskreeCH_> alt+ctrl+a is faster since it jumps directly to the window/desktop and normally the tab of whatever needs it and it's a queue so you can do it multiple times
[21:14] <DaskreeCH_> It's really fast
[21:14] <smarter> interesting ;)
[21:14] <smarter> I shall try that
[21:16] <DaskreeCH_> also you don't have to burn too much brain power you just need a light idea of what app is doing the call (hence the notification) Kopete? Not right now I dont really care who it is. Choqok? I'll check it later Dolphin doing my server transfer Woah bring that baby up what's going on
[21:17] <DaskreeCH_> I find it drastically reduces my brain load when I'm concentrating on something instead of processing if it's worth the effort of switching to the app to stop it blinking
[21:17] <DaskreeCH_> also great for leaving the computer and coming back and seeing what was coming in in what order :)
[21:19] <DaskreeCH_> but back to the notifications. I think a 1/2 second to 1 second delay of tangibilty if you are already clicking in the area is useful
[21:19] <DaskreeCH_> and of course as ScottK said it wouldnt' be KDE if you couldn't say screw it that's not how *I* Roll
[21:20] <ScottK> DaskreeCH_: That's very interesting.  I didn't know about it.
[21:21] <DaskreeCH_> smarter: I guess you know ctrl+shift+i already ?
[21:21] <smarter> no?
[21:21] <ScottK> It is very fast, but still inferior to Quassel's notification since it just brings me back to Quassel and not to the right channel.
[21:22] <DaskreeCH_> ScottK: Yeah Quassel is almost as close ot kde as firefox
[21:22]  * ScottK boggles.
[21:23] <ScottK> It's at least in Qt and does actually integrate with KDE.
[21:23] <DaskreeCH_> smarter: Kopete's method for popping up people speaking ot you
[21:23] <DaskreeCH_> ScottK: Yeah but it's still foriegn enough to justbe a window asking for attention
[21:23] <DaskreeCH_> in this respect
[21:23] <smarter> nice
[21:24] <ScottK> DaskreeCH_: Somehow it manages with it's notifications to work it through KNotification to get there.  Not sure how.
[21:25] <DaskreeCH_> Hmm
[21:25] <DaskreeCH_> agateau: Can the call to the bus specify things like tabs ?
[21:25] <agateau> DaskreeCH_: no :/
[21:26] <agateau> DaskreeCH_: but if you add an action to your notification then you can do whatever you want
[21:26] <DaskreeCH_> Hmm so how does the notification server switch tabs when it calls the app?
[21:26] <agateau> DaskreeCH_: no, when you click an action button, the server tells the app about the button
[21:26] <DaskreeCH_> ah hmm ok I'll have to poke the kwin guys to find out if that can be integrated with alt+ctrl+a
[21:26] <agateau> the app decides what to do, which can be switch to the appropriate tab
[21:26] <DaskreeCH_> ah ok
[21:27] <ScottK> DaskreeCH_: I guess we'll have to talk to Sput about that for Quassel then.
[21:27] <DaskreeCH_> so it's basically the apps shouting I need attention and then the system saying someone has responded what's this about?
[21:28] <DaskreeCH_> the app can then roll over and groan or point to the spot that hurts as it sees fit?
[22:01] <neversfelde> bug #398516 needs a sponsor
[22:05] <maco> so does bug 389751
[22:20] <neversfelde> Riddell: apachelogger told me that you know of this kind of license http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/216458/
[22:20] <neversfelde> does the tarball have to contain GPLv2 and v3 or is v2 enough?
[22:22] <Riddell> neversfelde: v2 is fine
[22:22] <neversfelde> Riddell: thank you
[22:23] <Riddell> although i guess i should put v3 liberally around kde sometime
[22:23] <realo> hello
[22:24] <Riddell> k bed, i'm knackered and not home yet, canoeing for next two days
[22:24] <Riddell> hi realo
[22:24] <realo> hiho
[22:24] <realo> we develop http://dooble.sf.net currently making the linux release
[22:25] <neversfelde> Riddell: hf
[22:26] <realo> the idea is, to maybe later add an linux kernel, so to have the browser as the gui
[22:26] <realo> anyone insterested to join or help to create a deb. file for the linux release?
[22:27] <Riddell> realo: its a qt app?
[22:28] <realo> yes
[22:28] <Riddell> groovy, file a bug at launchpad.net/ubuntu asking for a package and add tag needs-packaging
[22:28] <neversfelde> realo: when do you release it?
[22:28] <neversfelde> or is it, yet?
[22:29] <Riddell> and keep poking here until someone does it
[22:29]  * Riddell beds
[22:29] <realo> for linux not yet, though from svsmake it compiles, but it it is hard to make a deb installer
[22:30] <kxmas> Riddell: I'm getting akonadi start errors after upgrading from 4.3RC1 to 4.3RC2.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/216433/
[22:31] <kxmas> google hasn't been that useful in finding a fix either
[22:31] <neversfelde> realo: tell me the bug number, I will have a look at it once it is released
[22:32] <realo> bug number? there is no bug, we have a tracker and entered some issues, but no crashes so far
[22:34] <neversfelde> realo: <Riddell> groovy, file a bug at launchpad.net/ubuntu asking for a package and add tag needs-packaging
[22:35] <realo> it is too complex to write it all down
[22:35] <realo> we need a team member who can talk
[22:35] <realo> because we have added p2p websearch and messenger like old netscape suite
[22:36] <realo> that makes it a little bit more complex
[22:36] <neversfelde> realo: a [needs packaging] bug contains usualy a link to the source and a short description of the application
[22:37] <neversfelde> search for it at launchpad.net, should not be too much work
[22:38] <realo> http://dooble.sf.net and http://dooble.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/dooble/trunk/browser/
[22:39] <neversfelde> realo: you should report it after you released in http://launchpad.net
[22:44] <realo> i created the project in launchpad
[22:44] <realo> but why there a second one?
[22:44] <realo> sf.net is the home
[22:45] <neversfelde> realo: only a bug, not a project
[22:45] <realo> now the bug is always related to the project
[22:45] <neversfelde> e.g. bug 396206, probably a longer description
[22:51] <realo> does launchpad allow to delete a project or account?
[22:54] <neversfelde> mhh, don't know, the people in #launchpad should know more
[22:57] <realo> ok found it
[22:58] <realo> anyway..
[23:05] <realo> bug created: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/398575
[23:23] <neversfelde> ryanakca: I think sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com <KEYID>  is a more simple method to import the key for the ppas
[23:25] <ryanakca> neversfelde: *nod*, is one as user friendly as the other, or are these packages targetted to developpers only?
[23:26] <neversfelde> ryanakca: I am not sure, if I understand what you mean
[23:27] <ryanakca> neversfelde: If targetted to devs only, the sudo apt-key is fine... but if we want the users to test, I think we should leave them with the GUI... I'm poking around in #drupal-support at the moment, trying to figure out why the <!--break--> tag in Drupal cuts off the text but doesn't give the "More..." style link like it should...
[23:28] <neversfelde> ryanakca: sorry, I missed that it is a method for kpackagekit
[23:28] <ryanakca> Ah, ok :)