[00:00] <fta> it says expires on 05/09/2010 here
[00:01] <kklimonda> fta: and does a certificate you got is issued for *.launchpad.net or *.edge.launchpad.net ?
[00:01] <fta> *.launchpad.net, but i'm on edge
[00:02] <fta> oh, ok. i see, all my other pages are untrusted now
[00:03] <fta> 07/12/2009
[00:03] <wgrant> At least it's not the main one this time...
[00:05] <wgrant> kklimonda: (it will have expired everywhere - certificate expiry times are, like any good timestamp, in UTC)
[00:06] <yofel> the https://launchpad.net certificate says it's going to expire on 25 Jul 2009, the *.launchpad.net one on 09 May 2010, and the *.edge.launchpad.net one today...
[00:07] <kklimonda> wgrant: isn't it still yesterday in UTC timezone? ;)
[00:08] <kklimonda> (I love those time zone problems that internet brings..)
[00:08] <elmo> I'm working on it
[00:09] <wgrant> Thanks elmo.
[00:09]  * tumbleweed is sure he mentioned that this was about to expire, about a week ago
[00:09] <wgrant> tumbleweed: Yep, I hoped somebody would notice that...
[00:09] <Daviey> elmo: After that, fancy fixing planet.ubuntu.com? :)
[00:10] <yofel> if you're already at it check the one for https://launchpad.net - it tells me it's going to expire in 2 weeks ^^
[00:48] <elmo> (fixed a while ago, was beating some sense into verification by non-browsers)
[00:53] <wgrant> Is edge going to update at some point?
[00:53] <wgrant> It hasn't in a couple of days.
[00:54] <wgrant> (which makes running lots of scripts in possible, as the last update broke retrieval of most SPPHs)
[00:54]  * wgrant fails again.
[00:54] <wgrant> I cannot think this morning.
[00:56] <elmo> wgrant: I think it's deliberately disabled, but I don't honestly know why
[00:58] <wgrant> elmo: OK, thanks.
[00:58] <elmo> Daviey: I can see it's broken, but the fix doesn't look like 1am material; can you file an RT?  (I couldn't see one at first glance, if there is, tell me the number, and I'll have a look tomorrow or have someone else look)
[02:59] <slestak> in launchpad, i cannot find an easy way to find a bug that i reported.
[03:00] <slestak> I would think that a filter for Bugs Reported By Me would be very helpful, of is there another method?
[03:01] <wgrant> slestak: If you click on your name (in the top right), then the bugs tab, there is a filter on the right to find bugs reported by you.
[03:01] <wgrant> You can also do an advanced search in a project for bugs reported by you.
[03:01] <wgrant> And there is a bug reported asking for a simple button to do the latter.
[03:02] <slestak> i did click on my name, expecting to see the filter, let me look again
[03:02] <slestak> yep, go to users lp page, then bugs, all of them are there
[03:03] <wgrant> What do you mean?
[03:04] <slestak> wgrant: i was agreeing that it is where you said it was.
[03:04] <slestak> I didn't click on Bugs first.
[03:04] <slestak> tyvm
[03:13] <VK7HSE> Question/feature request ... Just wondering if it's possible to change the status of bugs that are "NEW" to "incomplete" after 7 days of no response ???
[03:15] <wgrant> VK7HSE: No. That doesn't make sense.
[03:15] <wgrant> Why would you want to do that?
[03:16] <VK7HSE> well say that a bug is submitted, then the person never replies back ... then unless you manually change the status, it will remain in limbo...
[03:16] <wgrant> When asking for information, you are meant to change the status to Incomplete.
[03:17] <wgrant> That's what the status means - the bug needs more information.
[03:17] <VK7HSE> ok but I have some bugs that I had submitted way bay and who ever the maintainer is they have never done that !
[03:18] <VK7HSE> ok.. what you say make sense to me! but maybe it's not for some others...
[03:18] <VK7HSE> ;)
[03:18] <wgrant> https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/Statuses is the relevant help page, though it doesn't describe the workflow very well.
[03:19] <wgrant> But it does give the definition of Incomplete, which is what is at issue here.
[03:19] <VK7HSE> ok then... different way to look at it then... why not when the bug maintainer replies it changes the status to incomplete then?
[03:20] <VK7HSE> automagically
[03:20] <wgrant> I normally do it by setting the status to Incomplete, and add the comment in the expanded section at the top.
[03:20] <wgrant> But it would be nice to have a button to do that in the main comment section at the bottom.
[03:20] <VK7HSE> cause I discovered the other night that you can'rt reply and change the status in the one instance...
[03:21] <wgrant> You can.
[03:21] <wgrant> Although maybe not tomorrow.
[03:21] <wgrant> Because bug editing is all changing at the moment.
[03:21] <VK7HSE> Oh this is on edge BTW
[03:22] <VK7HSE> consider me to be thinking aloud! :P
[03:22] <wgrant> You'll see that there is a comment textarea when you are editing a bug's status.
[03:22] <wgrant> So you can do both at once.
[03:23]  * wgrant disappears.
[03:23] <VK7HSE> well next time I get a bug I'll double check that... as it didn't the other night
[04:53] <rootski> there some LP issue? taking an age to connect...
[04:54] <rootski> was fine a second ago
[04:56] <wgrant> Didn't take long for him to disconnect...
[06:21] <micahg> I just got a weird notice that my karma expired?
[06:21] <micahg> is that a bug or by design
[06:23] <wgrant> micahg: It's a bug that appears sometimes when the karma cache is being updated, I believe.
[06:24] <micahg> ok
[06:24] <micahg> already reported, what module is the karma under?
[06:25] <wgrant> Probably launchpad-registry, but I couldn't be sure.
[06:30] <micahg> wgrant: I can't find it
[06:30] <wgrant> micahg: I think it might have been rejected. Let me find it...
[06:31] <wgrant> micahg: Bug #354297
[06:32] <micahg> wgrant: I'm getting something slighly different on edge
[06:33] <wgrant> micahg: What's different about it?
[06:33] <wgrant> Apart from the style changing.
[06:34] <micahg> message
[06:34] <micahg> that one is more descriptive
[06:34] <micahg> mine just says karma has expired
[06:34] <wgrant> Aha.
[06:35] <wgrant> The message was changed a month or two ago.
[06:35] <wgrant> What is the new wording?
[06:35] <wgrant> Ah, found one.
[06:36] <wgrant> So, the new one is more correct, but a bit more confusing. Maybe it could do with a help link.
[06:36] <micahg> or just say, that the karma is regenerating or something
[06:37] <wgrant> Well, that's a separate bug.
[06:37] <wgrant> That message is bad, and you shouldn't be seeing that message.
[06:37] <micahg> they should have just added the word daily to your message
[06:37] <micahg> no karma has been assigned yet today
[06:37] <micahg> or rather
[06:37] <micahg> it's currently being updated
[06:37] <micahg> please check back soon
[06:38] <wgrant> No - there should be no point during the generation where the data isn't there.
[06:38] <wgrant> So that message should never be shown if you have karma.
[06:38] <micahg> I guess that's true if it's an ACID database transaction
[06:38] <wgrant> One would think it should be.
[06:38] <wgrant> But apparently not.
[06:39] <micahg> should I comment on your bug?
[06:39] <wgrant> Please do.
[06:39] <wgrant> And metoo it!
[06:41] <micahg> BTW, I don't think you're supposed to confirm your own bugs, or maybe lp has a different policy than ubuntu
[06:42] <wgrant> micahg: I had confirmation that it wasn't just me experiencing the bug.
[06:42] <wgrant> => it is reasonable to confirm it.
[06:42] <micahg> ah
[06:42] <micahg> ok
[06:42]  * micahg has definitely confirmed though :)
[06:43] <wgrant> Thanks.
[08:11] <RenatoSilva> what's resubmit in merge review?
[14:11] <james_w> has edge not updated since Friday?
[16:54] <Sarvatt_> is there a page that lists the hardware specs for the builders anywhere?
[16:54] <LarstiQ> Sarvatt_: they're virtual machines
[16:54] <Sarvatt_> even arm?
[16:55] <Sarvatt_> i'm looking at pixman now and it determines what optimizations to use based on the cpu features of the build machine
[16:57] <Sarvatt_> theres a few bugs asking for neon or SIMD support in pixman on arm but it depends on if the builder supports it
[16:58] <Sarvatt_> and if its just a virtualized versatile kernel it wont
[17:00] <LarstiQ> it seems a bit stupid to let that depend on the build instead of the host machine?
[17:00] <LarstiQ> I know that is the easy route, but still
[17:01]  * LarstiQ is thinking of mplayers dynamic support for instance
[17:09] <Sarvatt_> ah ok i'm wrong, these are just compiler checks to make sure the compiler supports it and it does have runtime detection. sorry for the noise :)
[19:03] <SiDi> Hey people. Any idea how this can happen in a bug report : https://bugs.launchpad.net/exaile/0.3.x/+bug/157676 ?
[19:03] <SiDi> it's set to the same milestone 6 times and thus is counted as 6 different bugs for this milestone
[20:31] <jfroy> greetings
[20:31] <jfroy> is there a way to change the status of bugs in batch. I just released a milestone of my project, and would like to move all the bugs from "committed" to "released"
[20:32] <nhandler> jfroy: You can use the email interface: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[20:33] <nhandler> jfroy: You could also use the Launchpad API
[20:35] <SiDi> nhandler: the statement about GPG signed, does it mean my email has to be in one of my GPG keys on LP ?
[20:35] <SiDi> or that i should GPG sign each email ?
[20:36] <LarstiQ> Sarvatt_: the latter, with a key that is registered
[20:36] <nhandler> SiDi: It means that the email you send to the LP email interface needs to be signed with a GPG key that is linked to your LP account
[20:37] <SiDi> But thats not required if its only a comment, right, nhandler ?
[20:38] <LarstiQ> SiDi: right, only when giving LP instructions
[20:38] <SiDi> LarstiQ: okies thanks
[20:38] <SiDi> any idea how to GPG sign my mails with Gmail ? :D
[20:39] <LarstiQ> SiDi: Enigmail?
[20:41] <SiDi> im tied to webmails unfortunately :)
[20:41] <SiDi> i'll pass on LP commands via mail for now :P
[20:43] <nhandler> SiDi: Try FireGPG
[20:44] <SiDi> let me see if it works with Shiretoko now !
[20:58] <SiDi> nhandler: LarstiQ: it looks like i can send inline signed emails with fireGPG, thanks :)
[21:00] <nhandler> SiDi: Glad it worked.
[21:51] <[Ramy]> is there a way to automatically build debian packages from git python repository ?
[21:51] <LarstiQ> [Ramy]: could you specify a bit more?
[21:54] <[Ramy]> LarstiQ, i want to package 2 open source projects they are written in python and they are using git as DCVS, how can launchpad help me to package them to ubuntu ?
[22:00] <LarstiQ> [Ramy]: you can request for launchpad to vcs-import them
[22:02] <[Ramy]> LarstiQ,  what is that ? how can I do that ?
[22:04] <LarstiQ> [Ramy]: the other thing would be PPAs to build/host .debs
[22:04] <LarstiQ> [Ramy]: https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Imports
[22:04] <LarstiQ> [Ramy]: other than that, I don't know what you have in mind for help with packaging
[22:05] <thumper> [Ramy]: we don't yet have the branches hooked up to the ppas
[22:05] <thumper> [Ramy]: but there are cunning plans
[23:31] <kub1> Hi:  Trying to Telling Ubuntu how to authenticate the PPA , via launchpad.net instructions, when I do the ¨sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 8AC93F7A¨ I get ¨gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 7: couldn't connect to host¨ - is this a know error with a fix? Is the host down for everyone? Could it be my ISP firewall (I have to add an ISP proxy for /etc/apt) - do i need to put in proxy info to get the keyserve
[23:35] <RenatoSilva> what is the purpose of ssh key pair authentication? why not type Launchpad's password to connect via https?
[23:35] <RenatoSilva> I mean, bzr branch lp:project
[23:35] <RenatoSilva> type lp's password: xxx
[23:36] <RenatoSilva> instead of using the priv key
[23:38] <RenatoSilva> Another question: If I have a merged branch, but I find another bug, should I create another branch with the same name, or should I get the merged branch and commit a new revision, and propose for merging again?
[23:38] <funkyHat> If I click the "Yes, this is the bug I'm tryin to report" button on launchpad, will it still attach the apport thingys?
[23:40] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: You are meant to only ever give your Launchpad password to Launchpad.
[23:40] <wgrant> That is, the web UI.
[23:40] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: ?
[23:40] <wgrant> And I would be most displeased if I had to type my passphrase for every push.
[23:41] <RenatoSilva> not passphrase, password
[23:41] <RenatoSilva> the one from the website
[23:41] <wgrant> Simple difference in terminology.
[23:41] <RenatoSilva> I didn't get the specific reason for using a key pair
[23:42] <RenatoSilva> instead of the website's password
[23:42] <wgrant> I don't know, but I'm certainly glad it's the case.
[23:43] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: it could be because key pair authentication is more powerful, it's harder to get a private key that a passwod
[23:44] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: however you private key is protected, huh, by your website's passwrod!
[23:44] <wgrant> That is one very good reason, yes. All of my hosts require key-based authentication.
[23:45] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: if someone discovers my password, he can get into the web interface and simply replace my public key
[23:45] <wgrant> While that's a very secure password that only ever gets given to Launchpad itself over HTTPS, I've filed a bug or two complaining that it is inadequate.
[23:48] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: ^
[23:49] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: Hm?
[23:51] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: it's almost impossible to know what is my private key, however my website's password is fragile, comparing to the private key.
[23:51] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: Therefore it's just about getting my website's password
[23:51] <kub1> What is the irc command to tell my irc cliect (webchat.freenode.net) to not show nic joins & departs messages on my screen? thx :)
[23:51] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: Right. Which is why I filed a bug about that.
[23:51] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: And you get control over your key pair
[23:52] <RenatoSilva> kub1: try /qwebirc sucks :)
[23:52] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: No, they get the ability to allow another key pair to impersonate you.
[23:52] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: that's what I mean
[23:52] <wgrant> kub1: About your apt-key problem: you seem to be behind a firewall.
[23:53] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: he can delete you pub key so that you can't authenticate anymore, then he adds his own pub key to impersonate you
[23:54] <kub1> RenatoSilva: that was a`joke, right??
[23:54] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: Right, but he cannot gain control over your existing key pair. Important distinction.
[23:54] <RenatoSilva> kub1: yes :D I use it at work, it's problematic
[23:55] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: but it's a disaster anyway
[23:55] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: It is.
[23:56] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: Imagine someone doing this with sabdfl :)
[23:56] <wgrant> I agree with you fully that this is an issue. I've filed bugs on it over the years.