[00:17]  * billybigrigger just booted into his first compiled kernel
[00:17] <billybigrigger> muahaha
[00:31] <m3ga> it seems that the .xsession file is no longer read during login. any way to fix that?
[00:31] <billybigrigger> its a known gdm bug
[00:34] <rski> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux "withou cd"
[00:35] <rski> does that work for jaunty?
[00:35] <rski> to upgrade to karmic
[00:36] <Twigathy> rski: well... it wouldn't really be an upgrade... you'd have a whole new [blank] system after debootstrapping and fiddling with the bootloader ;)
[00:36] <rski> dosen't matter
[00:36] <charlie-tca__> Why not upgrade using the procedure here: Alpha 2 Released: www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha2
[00:36] <rski> then it won't use ext4
[00:37] <charlie-tca__> true
[00:39] <BUGabundo> what about ext4????
[00:39] <rski> what about random loose questions!?!
[00:42] <BUGabundo> "(12:37:07 AM) rski: then it won't use ext4"
[00:45] <rski> yea i know what i said
[00:45] <rski> what is your question
[00:46] <rski> i'm only guessing that from the multiple questinmarks thou.
[00:48] <BUGabundo> rski: do you want ext4?
[00:48] <rski> yes
[00:50] <rski> what is your suggestion?
[00:50] <BUGabundo> on a clean install or upgrade?
[00:51] <rski> now you're confusing me again
[00:51] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[00:51] <BUGabundo> see why I'm confused by _your_ questions ?
[00:51] <rski> no
[00:52] <rski> and i dont you think you want to explain it either
[00:52] <BUGabundo> I want
[00:53] <rski> ok go ahaed
[00:53] <BUGabundo> but I need to understand you first
[00:53] <rski> understand what
[00:53] <BUGabundo> so I don't provide you with incorrect info
[00:53] <BUGabundo> lolol
[00:53] <BUGabundo> lets start ove
[00:53] <BUGabundo> ------------------------------------------------------------------ delete here --------------------------------------------------------------
[00:53] <BUGabundo> hi rski.
[00:53] <BUGabundo> what can we do to help you tonight?
[00:53] <BUGabundo> :)
[00:54] <rski> 01:34 < rski> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux "withou cd"
[00:54] <rski> 01:35 < rski> does that work for jaunty?
[00:54] <rski> 01:35 < rski> to upgrade to karmic
[00:54] <BUGabundo> to upgrade use $ update-manager -d
[00:54] <rski> then it wont have ext4
[00:54] <rski> so no
[00:54] <rski> i don't want that
[00:55] <billybigrigger> you can convert ext3 to ext4 iirc
[00:55] <rski> but i guess you missed that
[00:55] <BUGabundo> rski: as billybigrigger said, you can convert ext3 to ext4
[00:55] <Sarvatt> e4defrag works on 2.6.31 now too to convert things to using extents
[00:55] <BUGabundo> e4d ??
[00:56] <BUGabundo> is that the python script Sarvatt, some one was working on a few weeks back?
[00:56] <rski> i love how common it is not to answear the actual question on freenode
[00:56] <rski> but to provide a suggestion for something else instead
[00:57] <BUGabundo> rski: I'm telling you the best way AFAIK
[00:57] <BUGabundo> take it or leave it....
[00:57] <afv> the answer was implied
[00:57] <BUGabundo> no one will force you to use anything here
[00:57] <afv> short: no. you won't have ext4
[00:57] <BUGabundo> you came here asking for advice, we provided it
[00:57] <rski> i asked a question
[00:57] <rski> i didin't get what i wanted
[00:58] <rski> so no you didn't provide for my POV
[00:58] <rski> from*
[00:58] <BUGabundo> I want the EuroMilions numbers, can you give them to me ? :p
[00:58] <rski> this is #crystalball
[00:58] <billybigrigger> while your at it, i'll take the winning 649 numbers
[00:59] <Sarvatt> nope its not a python script BUGabundo
[00:59] <afv> lol
[00:59] <danbhfive> rski: I think the confusion is that you asked for a way to upgrade, when in truth, you were asking how to do a clean install.  On top of that, there is another way to get ext4 than a clean install...
[00:59] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: then I must be confuding it with another project
[00:59] <rski> danbhfive: what? are you kidding me
[00:59] <rski> i asked if a specific way to upgrade worked
[00:59] <BUGabundo> danbhfive: when did rski asked for a clean install?
[01:00] <rski> so much bs going on right now
[01:00] <billybigrigger> update-manager -d for upgrade
[01:00] <billybigrigger> then convert ext3 to ext4
[01:00] <billybigrigger> plain and simple
[01:00] <Sarvatt> clean install is the only way you're getting to get a real ext4 partition, you can upgrade and manually convert things but it wont use all ext4 features
[01:00] <danbhfive> well, the instructions you first posted were for a clean install, and then you complained about not wanting to do an upgrade...
[01:01] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, true
[01:01] <rski> read what i said again
[01:01] <rski> and if something is not clear please ask me about it
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux "withou cd"
 does that work for jaunty?
 to upgrade to karmi
[01:01] <billybigrigger> update-manager -d is the only way to upgrade to karmic
[01:01] <billybigrigger> question answered
[01:01] <Sarvatt> i think rski would rather have no responses at all
[01:01] <Sarvatt> silly us :D
[01:01] <rski> no it's NOT THE ONLY WAY.
[01:01] <billybigrigger> no caps
[01:02] <rski> but it's the recomended and prefered way
[01:02] <billybigrigger> well then...leave it be
[01:02] <billybigrigger> your question is answered
[01:02] <rski> even it's from a jaunty>clean karmic it's an upgrade
[01:02] <DanaG> no, that's incorrect semantics.
[01:02] <afv> ?
[01:02] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: yeah not only way, but rski just replied to him self. so we can all go to bed now :)
[01:02] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, 10-4
[01:03] <DanaG> well, or if you stretch it,'
[01:03] <BUGabundo> 1am
[01:03] <afv> 1h03 :p
[01:03] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, except i just fired up the bbq for burgers as its dinner time for me :P
[01:03] <DanaG> you can say "in-place upgrade" versus "destructive upgrade".
[01:03] <rski> my question is not answered
[01:03] <rski> but you may think it is for sure
[01:03] <DanaG> Even Microsoft calls an upgrade-in-place an upgrade, and a fresh install a "Custom" install.
[01:03] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: I had no dinner. late lunch after longggg LUG
[01:03] <billybigrigger> yes it is, get off this topic
[01:03] <afv> rski, what do you want to do? upgrade or clean install?
[01:04] <rski> i want to upgrade to karmic and get ext4 without using a CD or converting the FS to ext3>ext4
[01:04] <rski> because i have no cd and dont want to be stuck if something goes wrong
[01:04] <afv> that is not possible.
[01:04] <BUGabundo> rski: do you have an USB stick ?
[01:04] <rski> BUGabundo: no
[01:04] <billybigrigger> rski, sol
[01:04] <rski> afv: ok
[01:04] <BUGabundo> humm
[01:04] <rski> billybigrigger: what's sol
[01:05] <afv> it is possible if you clean install (you can use a USB stick, as BUGabundo suggested)
[01:05] <BUGabundo> afv and he said he has none
[01:05] <DanaG> Why are you so against converting?
[01:05] <afv> sorry, didn't read that
[01:05] <rski> 02:04 < rski> because i have no cd and dont want to be stuck if something goes wrong
[01:05] <BUGabundo> the only other way I see, it to extract squash fs from the image to disk and boot from there
[01:05] <rski> why do people only read parts of what i say
[01:05] <rski> :)
[01:06] <DanaG> Well, you won't be able to do a FRESH install then, EITHER.
[01:06] <DanaG> SO it's a moot point.
[01:06] <Sarvatt> a chroot is using the file system from before, you arent going to automatically get switched to ext4. if you want ext4 you can either clean install karmic or you can "upgrade" from jaunty to karmic the way people have said and manually convert your partition to ext4 afterwards but you wont get all the features of ext4 doing it that way
[01:06] <BUGabundo> DanaG: he actually can
[01:06] <BUGabundo> guy calm *ALL* down
[01:06] <DanaG> If that's debootstrap, the last time I checked, it didn't offer Karmic.
[01:06] <BUGabundo> the only other way I see, it to extract squash fs from the image to disk and boot from there
[01:07] <DanaG> ugh, stupid whatever-it-is... I double-click a video file, it doesn't open.
[01:07] <DanaG> oh, durh, missing gmplayer.  Doh.
[01:08] <BUGabundo> aahah
[01:08] <BUGabundo> rski: would that work for you ?
[01:09] <Sarvatt> creating a new ext4 partition and installing karmic onto there would probably be the best bet
[01:09] <afv> BUGabundo, is that the first 'thing' from the link he gave?
[01:09] <BUGabundo> no ide
[01:10] <BUGabundo> haven't opened it
[01:10] <BUGabundo> my FF is guud as dead :(
[01:10] <afv> 3.5?
[01:11] <afv> how can a product with so many bugs come final? :x
[01:11] <rski> ask microsoft
[01:11] <afv> yes.. but ff is not from microsoft.. :p
[01:11] <BUGabundo> 3.6
[01:12] <afv> did try 3.6 but some extensions didn't work.. like "tab tree style"..
[01:13] <afv> or "tree style tab" :p
[01:13] <BUGabundo> most of mine work, and I have more the most of you guys combined :)
[01:13] <afv> and when i came back to 3.5 it was all messed up :|
[01:13] <BUGabundo> but yesterday it started to acting up
[01:13] <BUGabundo> links open in new windows
[01:13] <BUGabundo> tabs won't close
[01:13] <BUGabundo> several crashes starting it :(
[01:14] <afv> tabs weren't closing too.. iirc..
[01:14] <Sarvatt> bugabundo: try disabling video acceleration in flash
[01:14] <rski> wow they already releasd 3.6?
[01:14] <Sarvatt> theres a problem with flash video acceleration with nvidia binary drivers
[01:14] <afv> Sarvatt, i've done that, in 3.5, and i still have a lots of crashes (not in video fullscreen)
[01:14] <BUGabundo> rski: alpha1
[01:14] <Sarvatt> ahh darn
[01:14] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: flash ? I didn't even opened a flash vid yet!
[01:15] <afv> after visiting sites with some flash.. just banners.. i close the tab and bang.. seg fault
[01:15] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: I get a very easy to reproduce crash on firefox startup, on a clean boot
[01:15] <BUGabundo> asac knows about it, and has no idea what causes it :(
[01:15] <afv> [off-topic] BUGabundo, from what city are you?
[01:21] <afv> lol
 [off-topic] BUGabundo, from what city are you?
[01:21] <BUGabundo> afv: Gondomar
[01:21] <afv> Aveiro here :p
[01:21] <BUGabundo> darn #g modem
[01:21] <BUGabundo> how nice
[01:21] <BUGabundo> join #ubuntu-pt
[01:21] <karma> im glad you chose my nick for the next relase
[01:22] <BUGabundo> karma: ahaahahahahaahahahah
[01:22] <afv> :D
[01:22] <karma> im on JJ but i have to go down to 8.10 because
[01:23] <karma> mounting of usb devices just doesnt occur automatically in 9.04
[01:23] <DanaG> oh yeah, last time I checked, ubufox broke stuff very badly.
[01:23] <karma> im kind of hoping someone will realize what is wrong and fix it for the karmic koala ;)
[01:27] <BUGabundo> DanaG: known
[01:34] <karma> hmmm'
[01:34] <karma> the forums are telling me the porblem is the lact of usb_storage in /etc/modules
[01:34] <karma> let me see
[01:36] <karma> ll wow
[01:49] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, can you confirm in gnome-do's preferences, going to the appearance tab, and scrolling down on the docklet's list is messed up?
[01:50] <BUGabundo> checking
[01:50] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: I can not. WFM
[01:50] <billybigrigger> wfm?
[01:50] <BUGabundo> Works For Me
[01:52] <billybigrigger> ahh
[01:52] <billybigrigger> mmm
[01:52] <billybigrigger> weird
[01:54] <billybigrigger> Installed: 0.8.2+dfsg-0~9.10~ppa1
[01:54] <billybigrigger> ?
[01:54] <cdm10> what's the name of the user-switcher applet? it's not FUSA any more...
[01:56] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, ???? ^^^
[01:57] <BUGabundo> no idea
[01:57] <Sarvatt> gdm-user-switch-applet
[01:57] <billybigrigger> gnome-do version i mean :)
[01:57] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 0.8.2+dfsg-0~9.10~ppa1
[01:57] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[01:57] <billybigrigger> well can you tell me is there a show desktop docklet?
[01:57] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: I just say one word: sucks
[01:58] <cdm10> Sarvatt: whta package is it in?
[01:58] <billybigrigger> i just realised its hard to get to desktop when you have a bunch of windows maximized :P
[01:58] <Sarvatt> gdm
[01:58] <cdm10> Sarvatt: alright.
[01:59] <Sarvatt> /usr/lib/gdm/gdm-user-switch-applet
[02:00] <cdm10> it seems they've adopted some GDM stuff from... Fedora, I think?
[02:01] <Sarvatt> more like they upgraded GDM in general
[02:01] <cdm10> is there any way to change the greeter settings now?
[02:04] <Sarvatt> we could be stuck on a 1.5 year old GDM and still have fast-user-switch-applet I guess as an alternative :D
[02:04]  * afv is Away, Reason: ( tired ) | Since: ( Sunday, July 12, 2009. 02:04:30 )
[02:04] <cdm10> !away | afv
[02:04] <cdm10> er, rather
[02:04] <cdm10> !away > afv
[02:05] <afv> i did use /away <reason>   -_-
[02:05] <cdm10> Sarvatt: There's a user switcher applet in the new GDM, but is there any way to change settings? I don't see a GUI configurator anywhere.
[02:05] <cdm10> afv: I guess your client likes to broadcast it... which isn't well-liked.
[02:05] <Sarvatt> i dont think so yet, it just got upgraded a few days ago and is still rough around the edges
[02:05] <afv> i'm trying to disable it ;)
[02:07] <cdm10> Sarvatt: oh, yuck. I hope we have SOMETHING by release...
[02:07] <BUGabundo> !language > cdm10
[02:07] <Sarvatt> theres 3 months still, i'm sure there will be :D
[02:08] <cdm10> BUGabundo: you don't like the word yuck?
[02:08] <BUGabundo> ohh it was yuck
[02:08] <cdm10> ha :)
[02:08] <BUGabundo> okkkk clear sign I must got to bed
[02:08] <Sarvatt> lol
[02:08] <BUGabundo> nvm me
[02:08] <Sarvatt> !language > BUGabundo
[02:08] <Sarvatt> he said yuck!
[02:08] <BUGabundo> I only have _halt_ an eye opened
[02:08] <afv> ok, it was from xlack. "/xsa off" disabled channel announcement. sorry :)
[02:18] <billybigrigger> muahaha
[02:18] <billybigrigger> poor bugabundo
[02:25] <cdm10> hmm, are we ending up with packagekit in Karmic?
[02:36] <billybigrigger> cdm10, i think so?
[02:36] <cdm10> I'm not sure how I feel about that... my only experience with it is in Fedora, and I remember that their frontends are a bit confusing.
[02:38] <billybigrigger> i don't know for sure
[02:38] <billybigrigger> take a look at the packagekit screenshots
[02:38] <billybigrigger> they look pretty simple to me
[02:38] <cdm10> where?
[02:38] <billybigrigger> although i use cli and apt-get
[02:39] <billybigrigger> http://www.packagekit.org/pk-screenshots.html
[02:39] <billybigrigger> :)
[02:39] <cdm10> ...sorry, shoulda jfgi'd
[02:39] <billybigrigger> it was a pretty easy google :)
[02:39] <billybigrigger> jfgi'd?
[02:39] <cdm10> i mean, with open-source projects, especially backend stuff, you don't expect it to be that simple!
[02:39] <billybigrigger> haha whats that acronym for?
[03:38] <DanaG> WTF is "HPLJ 10xx Replaced Paper"?
[03:39] <DanaG> Unable to execute child process: "wish"
[03:58] <billybigrigger> dunno
[03:58] <billybigrigger> same here
[04:01] <Sarvatt> i think it means sudo apt-get purge ufw cups-bsd cups-client foomatic-db-hpijs hpijs hplip libsane sane-utils splix xsane xsane-common brltty brltty-x11 cupsddk cupsddk-drivers cups-client cups-common cups-driver-gutenprint cups contact-lookup-applet transmission-common transmission-gtk gimp* python-cups python-brlapi python-cupshelpers min12xxw hplip-data ttf-arphic-uming ttf-sazanami-mincho libicu40 foomatic-db foomatic-db-engine foo
[04:01] <Sarvatt> matic-filters gnome-games* libgutenprint2 gnome-orca openprinting* uno-libs3 system-config-printer-common system-config-printer-gnome apparmor apparmor-utils
[04:02] <Sarvatt> oops minus transmission, thats from my livecd file removal script :)
[04:50] <DanaG> I don't know about you, but I do use cups.
[04:50] <DanaG> And glasses, too.  =þ
[04:50] <DanaG> (oof!)
[04:53] <DanaG> damn "extace" just segfaults
[04:54] <DanaG> 0x00007ffff66daf33 in fftw_execute (p=0x0) at execute.c:24                   24	execute.c: No such file or directory.                       	in execute.c
[05:24] <nhasian> hello everyone
[05:29] <ripps> upstart still wants to remove startup-tasks, system-services, upstart-compat-sysv, and upstart-logd. Do I just wait, or is it okay to remove these?
[05:32] <mr_spot_> it's ok, the new upstart provides all of those itself
[05:36] <afv> hi. at nautilus shouldn't the "date modified" of a folder appear at the folder properties? i have to be on the 'previous' folder and change the view to "list view" to see that...
[05:45] <billybigrigger> your question is a bit confusing
[05:46] <billybigrigger> but i can see date modified in list view if thats what you mean
[05:48] <afv> yes.. but what are the other ways to see the date modified?
[05:49] <afv> with a file you just alt+enter and it's there.. modified and accessed dates..
[05:49] <billybigrigger> list view is the only one i know of
[05:50] <billybigrigger> icon/compact view don't show them
[05:50] <afv> my question was why is it that with a file you can see it but with a folder you can't :p
[05:50] <afv> (at properties)
[05:51] <billybigrigger> you mean you can't seem date modified when you alt-enter?
[05:52] <billybigrigger> i can see file properties in list view
[05:52] <afv> yes
[05:52] <afv> alt-enter
[05:52] <billybigrigger> good question
[05:52] <billybigrigger> file a bug? :P
[05:53] <afv> i will. just a sec
[05:54] <afv> have noticed that ages ago but now that i'm "organizing" some things on my disk it turns a bit annoying to have to switch views just to see the date modified of a folder :p
[06:02] <nhasian> wow i just learned about apport
[06:05] <billybigrigger> afv, i just run in list view all the time
[06:06] <afv> how do you create folders?
[06:06] <afv> any shortcut?
[06:06] <afv> there's still no space for right clicking :(
[06:32] <afv> billybigrigger, still there?
[06:33] <billybigrigger> yeah
[06:33] <afv> http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2269/propertiesfileandfolder.png
[06:33] <billybigrigger> \
[06:33] <billybigrigger> i see what your saying
[06:33] <billybigrigger> filed a bug?
[06:33] <billybigrigger> or papercut maybe?
[06:33] <afv> feature request
[06:33] <afv> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=588346
[06:34] <afv> ubottu, good boy
[06:34] <afv> :p
[06:34] <billybigrigger> nice
[06:35] <afv> lol, just noticed the modified date of the file at the screenhot!
[06:35] <afv> 05:55:50
[06:35] <afv> accessed*
[06:39] <ripps> hmmm... I can't seem to get mecurial to work anymore. `hg pull` just causes the commandline to sit there and do nothing.
[06:47] <afv> billybigrigger, lol.... now the size of a folder at "list view" is the number of files and to see the size in MB i have to do alt-enter..... :p
[06:48] <afv> list view - size: 63 items
[06:48] <afv> folder properties - contents: 142 items, totalling 29.1 MB
[06:49] <afv> 63 items is the number of files+folders on the "first level"
[06:51] <afv> (and nautilus just crashed now, emptying the trash.. yay :x)
[07:20] <Ian_> afv: stop teasing nautilis!
[07:20] <Ian_> -i+u
[08:00] <afv> Ian_, i just want it better :p
[08:03] <afv> just found another "bug".. oh well :x
[09:01] <nhasian> so lsb_release doesnt work in ubuntu+1?
[09:05] <bazhang> lsb_release -a ?
[09:09] <nhasian> oh i have to put -a
[09:10] <nhasian> no wonder it wasnt working for me
[09:10] <bazhang> it works?
[09:10] <nhasian> yeah it works if i put "lsb_release -a"
[09:10] <bazhang> okay :)
[09:10] <nhasian> but not if i only put "lsb_release"
[11:04] <DrHalan1> hey is anyone having problems removing gnash?
[11:13] <DrHalan1> im not able to remove it even with sudo apt-get -f remove :(
[11:23] <Lademord> Hey, I just upgraded to karmic and finally - after ~3 years of anxious waiting - got native ALSA support of my X-Fi sound card! Totalübercool
[11:23] <Lademord> I have a question about something else: How come Firefox 3.5 hasn't made it to the repos of karmic yet?
[11:23] <chrisccoulson> DrHalan1: what error do you get??
[11:24] <chrisccoulson> Lademord - ff3.5 is there already isn't it? just not default
[11:24] <yofel> Lademord: it's there called firefox-3.5, the mozilla team hasn't yet changed the default browser
[11:24] <Lademord> ah ok, cool. I'll install it right away!
[11:25] <yofel> Lademord: you'll find it in the menu called 'Shiroteko Web Browser'
[11:25] <Lademord> Also I think the banshee in the repos is still the old 1.4.3, but maybe they haven't changed to 1.5.0 because that one is still marketed as 'unstable'..
[11:25] <DrHalan1> chrisccoulson: the pre-removal script returns error code 2
[11:25] <Lademord> yofel, well that's not the most intuitive naming.. but thanks :)
[11:26] <yofel> Lademord: that's his codename, he'll be called firefox once he's the default ;)
[11:26] <DrHalan1> and the log says something like "error. no alternative for iceape-flashplugin"
[11:26] <Lademord> phew, okay. For a moment I feared another Iceweasel...
[11:27] <chrisccoulson> DrHalan1 - i don't see that error here
[11:27] <DrHalan1> chrisccoulson: the error just occurs with mozilla-plugin-gnash the other ones will be removed just fine
[11:28] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. i didnt try that
[11:28] <yofel> Lademord: OT: judging from 'Totalübercool': are you from germany?
[11:29] <Lademord> yofel, nope, but (geographically) close: Denmark :)
[11:29] <Lademord> I've been to Germany a lot, though
[11:38] <Lademord> Btw, does anyone here know if Empathy has a 'Now playing' function like e.g. Emesene has?
[11:51] <chrisccoulson> DrHalan1 - i can reproduce your issue
[11:51] <chrisccoulson> i'll upload a fix for that in a minute
[11:52] <tgpraveen> Lademord: not right n ow
[11:52] <Lademord> damn
[11:53] <Lademord> is there a bug report or something to look at to see if it is planned?
[11:53] <tgpraveen> bug report yes
[11:53] <tgpraveen> on telepathy bug zilla n freedesktop site
[11:54] <tgpraveen> but it is low priority right now
[11:54] <tgpraveen> and requieres many changes i think so devs not too intrested
[12:05] <BUGabundo> olá e bom dia
[12:06] <FFEMTcJ> Is it possible yet to upgrade a 9.04 to 9.10 or do you have to do a fresh install for that?
[12:08] <BUGabundo> yes it is FFEMTcJ
[12:08] <BUGabundo> you should know that by now
[12:09] <BUGabundo> FFEMTcJ: $ update-manager -d
[12:31] <tgpraveen> karmic seems o be a version  that everyone should do a fresh install t\due to foundation level changes
[12:31] <tgpraveen> eg grub2,ext4
[12:32] <tgpraveen> i have been upgrading since hardy but now i think to remove the cruft i will
[12:32] <tgpraveen> do fresh install
[12:37] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: +100
[12:37] <BUGabundo> I'll do my 1st fresh install this week
[12:37] <BUGabundo> SO MANY THINGS BROKEN
[12:37] <BUGabundo> !caps | BUGabundo
[12:38] <tgpraveen> !caps
[12:38] <BUGabundo> but what sucks, is that I know that after a clean install I won't get a much cleaner system, but OTOH ill loose *all* my settings that took *years* to fine tune :(
[12:39] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: :)
[12:39] <BUGabundo> I slapped my self already :)
[12:39] <tgpraveen> yeah  i guess that is a sacrifice
[12:39] <tgpraveen> yeah i saw that ltr
[12:39] <tgpraveen> :-)
[12:56] <pushrax> had anyone got fglrx running with karmic?
[13:12] <amikrop> Hello. How can I set RapidSVN not to ask me my passphrase for my SSH key each time I want to SVN update?
[13:24] <Lademord> wth, in karmic I only really have one issue: In movies in Totem and VLC everyone is blue! I think it must have something to do with codecs.
[13:24] <Lademord> There are no problems on online videos like YouTube
[13:27] <arand> Lademord: yup I've noticed that as well, though it was only mine that'd gone whacko, seems like some codec is effected, since some videos online which use the vlc plugin are also affected..
[13:28] <Lademord> arand, in Totem it occurred after i installed the gstreamer0.10 ffmpeg plugin
[13:28] <arand> Lademord: It's basically the red channel that's kaputt innit?
[13:28] <Lademord> but if others are also affected then I'm sure the devs already know about it and are fixing it
[13:28] <Lademord> arand, probably yeah
[13:30] <yofel> Lademord: what does Totem use as Edit->Preferences-->Display->Hue ?
[13:31] <yofel> the slider should be in the middle
[13:32] <Lademord> The three first sliders are in the middle, the fourth is turned all the way down, yofel
[13:32] <Lademord> (I'm on Danish interface so I dunno which one you are talking about)
[13:32] <arand> Lademord: Old but related? : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=856388
[13:33] <yofel> Lademord: congrats, you just got hit by the HUE bug :D - german: Farbton
[13:33] <yofel> Lademord: set all sliders to middle
[13:34] <Lademord> yofel, woohoo that fixed it!
[13:34] <Lademord> Thanks :D
[13:34] <Lademord> arand, try yofels advice :)
[13:34] <Lademord> Then I'm off to watch some movies! :D
[13:35] <arand> Lademord: will do, when I get the Karmic can fired up
[13:49] <drs305> Anyone up for a Grub2 discussion?
[14:39]  * penguin42 is glad that gtk2+ bug got fixed - karmic actually feels a lot better now ; and snappy!
[14:43] <Sarvatt_> which one? windows without a size column visible crashing file chooser?
[14:44] <penguin42> there was a gtk2+ bug crashing LOTS of apps on 64bit; made it unusable for about 2 weeks
[14:46] <penguin42> Sarvatt_: Bug 391398
[14:48] <Sarvatt_> ah yea same bug, i was excited to see it was finally remembering sort settings after years of that bugging me but there were a ton of fix commits right after the tagged release
[14:51] <penguin42> I think it feels snappy as well - I'm not sure but I think the client side windows stuff is in this gtk version and I wonder if that's why it feels faster
[15:01] <Zorael^2> Is it just me or does the Karmic Xorg ignore font order definitions in .fonts.conf?
[15:03] <Sarvatt_> yep    <const>hintslight</const> in mine but its set on full and stays on full
[15:04] <Zorael^2> Sarvatt_: for me other options work (bitmap toggling, at the very least)
[15:05] <Zorael^2> but I can't tweak which fonts I prefer in "serif", "sans-serif" and "monospace", which I'd *very* much like to do
[15:14] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[15:15] <penguin42> Hi
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Hello, BluesKaj
[15:19] <BluesKaj> looking for an appto find  hidden URLs in website flash players..some sites aren't publishing streaming URLs anymore trying to keep surfers on their site to increase advert revenue
[15:19] <BluesKaj> hi charlie-tca
[15:19] <penguin42> can't you find it on the page info on firefox?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> penguin42, the document source shows a url , but it's not playable in vlc
[15:26] <penguin42> ah
[15:28] <BluesKaj> don't want to hang around a website if I can just place the stream url in the net radio playlist
[15:28] <penguin42> nod
[15:30] <BluesKaj> amarok is broken , so I switched to vlc . I'm starting to appreciate vlc's versatility more and more as i use it
[15:31] <reto`>  
[15:31] <reto`> BluesKaj: it also works very good on streaming with the plugin
[15:31] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I tend to use Rythmbox for audio playback normally; and mplayer for streams I've downloaded for one play
[15:31] <BluesKaj> reto`, plugin ?
[15:33]  * penguin42 wishes the Hibernate button wouldn't move on each release
[15:34] <BluesKaj> I have some 30 net radio stations in my playlist of various genres for differnt kinds of music ,news and commentary.
[16:21] <penguin42> can anyone explain to me what chipccard is for and specifically why it has to exist on my machine without any smartcards?
[16:25] <reto`> penguin42: where do see that chipcard?
[16:25] <penguin42> reto' Top0
[16:25] <penguin42> Top
[16:25] <penguin42> chipcardd4
[16:25] <BUGabundo> penguin42: most kernel modules have been complied into to the kernel to speed up boot
[16:26] <BUGabundo> so you may see stuff I don't use or have
[16:26] <penguin42> BUGabundo: This isn't a kernel module - this is a userland process
[16:26] <BUGabundo> just to help out all that _might_ have it
[16:26] <BUGabundo> ohh
[16:26] <BUGabundo> since you mentions top
[16:26] <penguin42>  /usr/sbin/chipcardd4
[16:26] <charlie-tca> penguin42: If you find out, I would also like to know
[16:27] <reto`> penguin42: maybe the chip is integrated and detected but you don't have a reader?
[16:27] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: just got you another xubuntu karmic user
[16:27] <BUGabundo> on a VM dough
[16:27] <charlie-tca> Great!
[16:27] <charlie-tca> We will take any, on hardware or VM
[16:28] <charlie-tca> Is he using it in English or local language?
[16:28] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Well it seems to be part of libchipcard-tools - and it seems I can remove it without removing anything that has a dependency on it
[16:28] <charlie-tca> reto`: I have no reader and have the same thing
[16:28] <charlie-tca> penguin42: But why should you have to remove it?
[16:29] <penguin42> charlie-tca: I agree, you'd think it would be glued into HA or something so it only starts if you plug a card in
[16:29] <yofel> penguin42: maybe it was installed as a recommend by another package in that case
[16:29] <reto`> how about that: on my HP mini with the new kernel cpufreq is detected but it doesn't seem to work... I would say it's stuck on a certain freq... it even display freq changes but I can't get it to work at full speed
[16:29] <charlie-tca> yofel: It is part of the initial installation
[16:30] <penguin42> I wonder if it used to be a dependency on a previous revision - but there again you would have thought autoremove would have cleaned it up
[16:30] <yofel> charlie-tca: huh? It's not installed here, and I didn't go around randomly removing packages
[16:30] <penguin42> yofel: Are you on a fresh KK install on an upgrade?
[16:30] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: english
[16:30] <yofel> penguin42: alpha2 with updates
[16:31] <yofel> the live images didn't work when I reinstalled a few days ago
[16:31] <charlie-tca> yeah, images have not been good this time around
[16:31] <yofel> I mean the daily images
[16:31] <BUGabundo> penguin42: i   libchipcardc2 Recommends libchipcard-tools
[16:31] <penguin42> yofel: I suspect it came in from a previous version - this machine started on Intrepid (or earlier?)
[16:32] <charlie-tca> yofel: look for libchipcardc2
[16:32] <charlie-tca> I got 4 different items installed for it
[16:32] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Hmm so it does, I seem to be able to remove that - I suspect there's a whole recommends chain that pulled it in
[16:33] <yofel> charlie-tca: I don't have any rdepends of the libchipcard-tools installed
[16:42] <charlie-tca> yofel: the only I seem able to find is the "hal" is a recommends for it
[16:49] <charlie-tca> Got it. Appears to be gnucash pulling it in
[16:49] <penguin42> oh I guess that's possible, I use gnucash as well
[16:49] <BUGabundo> I don't use any more LOL
[16:49] <charlie-tca> When it installs libaqhbci13, that pulls the libchipcard in with it
[16:49] <BUGabundo> I just removed all libchipcard*
[16:50] <BUGabundo> nothing else was removed
[16:50] <BUGabundo> let me try autoremove
[16:50] <BUGabundo> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[16:50] <charlie-tca> That is another sore point. I use gnucash, and have to have the banking apps with it. Even if they don't work for me
[16:51] <penguin42> gnucash seems to work without the chipcard package
[16:51] <penguin42> I haven't tried the banking stuff though
[16:52] <charlie-tca> It figures. It is just some more to be removed by the user.
[16:53] <penguin42> charlie-tca: I wouldn't mind about it being installed to be honest - I guess some set of bank users need it; but I do object to it eating my CPU if I don't have the hardware
[16:54] <charlie-tca> bug report
[16:54] <charlie-tca> It should not be active even if it is installed.
[16:54] <penguin42> nod
[16:54] <charlie-tca> Let me know the number, and I will confirm it
[16:55] <BUGabundo> I'll sub too
[16:55] <BUGabundo> not that I ever noticed it running :)
[16:55] <BUGabundo> let me check janitor for cruft
[16:59] <charlie-tca> I have only seen it in the log files, myself. But I don't look to see what is running very often
[17:00] <BUGabundo> janitor will not remove anything :(
[17:02] <BUGabundo> let me try gtkorphan
[17:02] <BUGabundo> 12 packages
[17:02] <penguin42> gtkorphan?
[17:02] <BUGabundo> yep
[17:02] <BUGabundo> quite a nice tool
[17:03] <BUGabundo> I just have to run it many times/passes
[17:27] <Laibsch> Anybody here running karmic?
[17:28] <Laibsch> :-D
[17:28] <penguin42> nod :-)
[17:28] <yofel> yup :§
[17:28] <Laibsch> Well, it was of course a rhetorical question
[17:28] <BUGabundo> Laibsch: LOLOL almost everyone
[17:28] <BUGabundo> even bots :p
[17:29] <Laibsch> But I do have problems getting the Karmic kernel to boot properly (and a few other problems)
[17:29] <Laibsch> It will hang when network is brought up
[17:29] <Laibsch> Strangely enough, when I press Ctrl+Alt+Del to reboot the machine, it appears the hanging process is killed and the machine boots
[17:29] <Laibsch> "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" will then again fail
[17:30] <penguin42> Laibsch: Any errors?
[17:30] <Laibsch> I don't have the exact error message handy right now for obvious reasons ;-)
[17:30] <Laibsch> But I just wanted to ask if this sounds familiar to anyone
[17:30] <Laibsch> or if there is something obvious to check
[17:30] <penguin42> not seeing that here; what network card?
[17:31] <Laibsch> Thinkpad X24 built-in.  I think it is an ee100
[17:31] <Laibsch> 02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801CAM (ICH3) PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 42)
[17:32] <penguin42> hmm mine is also a Pro/100 VE
[17:32] <penguin42> although it claims to be rev 2 and doesn't list the 82801CAM number or the LOM
[17:36] <Laibsch> I'll rip out my wireless card and try once more a little later
[17:37] <Laibsch> I guess that unless I boot with the Karmic kernel, I won't have virtual terminals at all, will I
[17:38] <penguin42> why?
[17:38] <Laibsch> I deduced that from two facts
[17:38] <Laibsch> 1) I don't have any right now ;-) while running Jaunty kernel
[17:38] <penguin42> you booted it with an old kernel and didn't get any?
[17:39] <Laibsch> 2) http://www.workswithu.com/2009/02/22/ubuntu-910-better-or-just-better-looking/: "taking advantage of kernel mode setting to make the boot process and virtual terminals shinier and snappier"
[17:39] <Laibsch> No, I don't have any VT to log in to while booted with a Jaunty kernel
[17:39] <Laibsch> the latest Jaunty kernel
[17:41] <penguin42> I did like the stripey/sunburst wallpaper
[17:43] <penguin42> does anyone understand details of the kernel mode setting stuff? My external monitor doesn't do EDID and I've had an X config for ages that just sets the monitor ranges and adds a mode - but I'm wondering if that's the right way these days? Should I be telling KMS about it and just let X figure it all out?
[17:45] <Laibsch> If it still works, why bother?
[17:45] <Laibsch> I think X is so fluid these days that you never know how you'll be supposed to configure stuff in three months' time
[17:45] <penguin42> I suspect it would be better to lose the X config file since I'm really only tweaking the monitor res
[17:45] <Laibsch> -> if it works, don't tough it until it breaks ;-)
[17:45] <penguin42> well yeh
[17:50] <Kovert> I have  result from APt that I don not know how to correct can some one help? http://pastebin.com/d206426e
[17:57] <Sarvatt_> Kovert: did you cancel an upgrade in the middle of installing before or something?
[17:57] <BUGabundo> Laibsch: do you have any VGA options on the grub stanza?
[17:58] <penguin42> Kovert: I'd suggest trying an apt-get install -f     it fixes a lot of screw ups like that
[17:58] <Sarvatt_> Kovert: try sudo aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg-video-intel
[17:59] <Kovert> will do
[18:00] <Sarvatt_> Laibsch: you want to boot with i915.modeset=0 added to grub if you do use the karmic kernel on stock jaunty X
[18:01] <BluesKaj> Kovert, did you add this repository for your sources.list from here ?  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[18:01] <Sarvatt_> UXA had way too many problems back in jaunty
[18:01] <Sarvatt_> even with x-updates
[18:01] <penguin42> Sarvatt_: Still been a bit flaky on Karmic so far - although getting better; I had some quite memorable X crashes over the last few weeks
[18:01] <Sarvatt_> and you can only use UXA with KMS, which the karmic kernel has enabled by default
[18:02] <Kovert> BluesKaj: no i did not
[18:03] <BUGabundo> penguin42: aptitude safe-upgrade OR full-upgrade are better then apt-get -f
[18:03] <BluesKaj> Kovert,  looks like these repos might work
[18:03] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Hm OK - I normally stick with apt-get rather than aptitude; I really don't get on too well with aptitude
[18:03] <Sarvatt_> why? he has the karmic xserver-xorg-video-intel already
[18:04] <Sarvatt_> i deleted git20090702 0ubuntu1 version from x-updates when that package got pulled into karmic directly
[18:04] <BluesKaj> Sarvatt_, well, is it working for him ?
[18:05] <BUGabundo> penguin42: I was the same thing! apt-get for ever... until I was caught on KDE dependecy hell
[18:05] <Sarvatt_> nothing will get installed if he adds the PPA, a postinst script got corrupted somehow and he needs to reinstall it
[18:05] <Laibsch> Sarvatt: I'm on Karmic
[18:05] <Laibsch> And I don't have an i915 chip
[18:05] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I mean for a start why did they give it such a long unspellable name!
[18:06] <Sarvatt_> i915 is the name of the module for all intel video, and sorry I thought you were on jaunty because you mentioned booting the jaunty kernel, my mistake
[18:06] <BUGabundo> ahahhaah
[18:06] <BUGabundo> penguin42: I find it short (with autocomplete) then apt*-*get
[18:06] <penguin42> BUGabundo: You do wonder why they didn't just call it apt
[18:07] <Laibsch> BUGabundo: There is only "## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5" in menu.lst (still using grub, not grub2).  I don't think that line has any effect
[18:07] <BUGabundo> cause apt is a totally diff thing
[18:07] <BUGabundo> Laibsch: thats a known bug with karmic kernels
[18:07] <Sarvatt_> you're thinking nvidia BUGabundo
[18:07] <BUGabundo> if you use VGA=XXX it won't show TTY
[18:07]  * BUGabundo foundly remembers gutsy intel xorg bugs :)
[18:08] <yofel> BUGabundo: I do get tty with nvidia and vga=xxx by using vesafb
[18:08] <Laibsch> BUGabundo: Do you happen to have a bug number?
[18:08] <Sarvatt_> oh i can see that happening, it using another fb instead of fbcon when you do that
[18:08] <BUGabundo> Laibsch: not at hand
[18:08] <Laibsch> BUGabundo: I don't think it's the bug you're thinking about
[18:08] <BUGabundo> yofel: I don't on kernel .30 and 31-1
[18:09] <BUGabundo> haven't tried on 31.2
[18:09] <Laibsch> That line is a comment on how to use defoptions in menu.lst.  An example.
[18:09] <Laibsch> BUGabundo: grep for it in your menu.lst, you'll likely have it, too
[18:09] <BUGabundo> Laibsch: no. that's what will be added to the stanza once grub is updated!
[18:09] <BUGabundo> its an option not a comment
[18:09] <Laibsch> no, it won't
[18:09] <BUGabundo> a comment as TWO ##
[18:09] <Sarvatt_> why are you using VGA= at all with KMS?
[18:10] <Laibsch> it does have two ## and it has an e.g., too
[18:10] <BUGabundo> I'm not, any longet
[18:10] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt this system came from JJ
[18:10] <Laibsch> BUGabundo: look at it again
[18:10] <Laibsch> it's an example
[18:10] <yoasif> BUGabundo, hey
[18:11] <BUGabundo> Laibsch: yes ## is an example
[18:11] <Laibsch> as I said
[18:11] <Laibsch> so, it's not the bug you were thinking of
[18:11] <Laibsch> although I would have liked that better ;-)
[18:12] <Sarvatt_> he's right though, you shouldnt be adding VGA=xxx to your boot options, you use inteldrmfb which uses fbcon in KMS not a VGA console
[18:13] <Laibsch> what?
[18:13] <Laibsch> Sarvatt: Are you talking to me?
[18:13] <Sarvatt_> yes
[18:14] <Sarvatt_> vga=xxx is for vesafb
[18:14] <Laibsch> you seriously need to ask more questions
[18:14] <Laibsch> I don't have any intel-related graphics hw
[18:15] <Laibsch> and the vga line is from "AN EXAMPLE"
[18:15] <Laibsch> it has nothing to do with my configuration, really
[18:15] <Laibsch> grep for vga in your menu.lst and you'll likely have it, too
[18:16] <Sarvatt_> guess i got mixed up with the other people talking about intel at the same time
[18:16] <Laibsch> OK?
[18:16] <BUGabundo> Laibsch: many of us are using grub2 now
[18:16] <Laibsch> Maybe I should start doing the same
[18:16] <BUGabundo> Laibsch: yes that is an example on menu.lst
[18:16] <Laibsch> So far, I've only updated my packages with aptitude
[18:16] <BUGabundo> I know about it
[18:16] <Laibsch> good
[18:18] <Kovert> BluesKaj: same issue
[18:18] <BUGabundo> !qdb 294981
[18:19] <BluesKaj> Kovert, did you do sudo aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg-video-intel as Sarvatt_ suggested ?
[18:20] <Kovert> yes
[18:22] <Kovert> Current state http://pastebin.com/d5116a90a
[18:22] <BluesKaj> Kovert, what about your souces.list , could you pastebin it pls ?
[18:22] <Kovert> tried all the suggestions
[18:23] <hateball> My touchpad is not working in karmic since the 2.6.31 kernel... it worked when it was on 2.6.28. I'm not sure if that's the issue, or if there's any other packages that might have killed it
[18:23] <hateball> Not sure where I would start looking
[18:24] <Kovert> sure
[18:25] <DanaG> I use grub1 still, because grub2 won't chainload properly.
[18:25] <BUGabundo> hateball: on a fresh reboot?
[18:25] <Sarvatt_> can you run this Kovert and pastebin it?  cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg-video-intel.postinst && ls -al /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg-video-intel.postinst
[18:25] <DanaG> "Invalid or unsupported executable format"
[18:25] <BUGabundo> or after resume from hibernate hateball ?
[18:25] <Sarvatt_> it wouldnt chainload for me either but worked fine upgrading it
[18:25] <hateball> BUGabundo: Yes, from a fresh boot
[18:26] <BUGabundo> hateball: please file a bug $ ubuntu-bug linux
[18:26] <BUGabundo> humm
[18:26] <BUGabundo> or is that on udev now ?
[18:26] <hateball> BUGabundo: I'm not sure which modules should be loaded... but psmouse is at least
[18:26] <Sarvatt_> hateball: I've got that problem too, its gotten to where 3/4 boots I have to unload and reload psmouse for it to work
[18:26] <BUGabundo> I never know now with all this changes
[18:26] <Sarvatt_> sudo rmmod psmouse && sudo modprobe psmouse will fix it
[18:26] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt I have that *after* hibernate
[18:26] <Sarvatt_> that should be fixed by 2.6.31-rc3 at least BUGabundo
[18:27] <Sarvatt_> it wasnt freezing the modules on suspend, they fixed it
[18:27] <DanaG> Basically, I want to keep grub1 in my MBR as a "which partition?" choosers, and then chain to either the jaunty, karmic, or Windows partition.
[18:27] <hateball> Sarvatt_: doesnt do the trick for me. I killed X and all
[18:27] <DanaG> Grub2 doesn't have a savedefault feature; therefore, it fails for my uses.  :(
[18:27] <Sarvatt_> but its still not loading right most boots for me, I get spurious ack messages in dmesg
[18:27] <Sarvatt_> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/dmesg.txt
[18:28] <Sarvatt_> spurious NAK messages, sorry
[18:28] <Kovert> Sarvatt: http://pastebin.com/m11d0e0ea
[18:28] <BUGabundo> DanaG: did savedefualt worked on grub1?
[18:28] <BUGabundo> I remember opening a bug on that, and never seen it closed :(
[18:29] <DanaG> It works for me.
[18:29] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the thing that doesn't work, is when I try to have grub1 load grub2's core.img OR boot.img.
[18:30] <hateball> So hmmm... reloading psmouse gives me some stuff in dmesg, but it still does not work. Should that be filed as a bug under linux then?
[18:31] <Sarvatt_> DanaG: /etc/default/grub?
[18:31] <DanaG> I have grub1 installed now, so now I have no /etc/default/grub
[18:31] <Sarvatt_> you define the default one in there -- GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[18:32] <DanaG> That's the thing.... I don't want a fixed default; I want it to default to whatever I last booted.
[18:32] <DanaG> Oh, and I want to (and now do) have one top-level menu for Jaunty, Karmic, or Vista, and each of the first two has its own 1-second-default kernel-chooser.
[18:35] <Kovert> Vista what dist is that?
[18:35] <DanaG> Are you trolling?  =þ
[18:36] <billybigrigger> firefox acting up on anyone today more than usual?
[18:36] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: it is for me
[18:36] <billybigrigger> yeah, i just updated and its being a real pita
[18:36] <billybigrigger> even 3.0
[18:36] <Kovert> no I dont have the hair to be a Troll
[18:39] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, 3.6 and 3.0 are screwed for you?
[18:40] <Kovert> BluesKaj: Going to wait till Sarvatt looks at my paist bin
[18:40] <Volkodav> 3.6 just went up to 146 % CPU in 20 minutes with 3 tabs open
[18:40] <Volkodav> suxorz
[18:40] <billybigrigger> Volkodav, running 3.6 daily?
[18:41] <Volkodav> pretty much
[18:41] <Volkodav> bouncing between Opera 10 , 3.5 and 3.6
[18:41] <billybigrigger> are you running the daily builds of 3.6
[18:41] <Volkodav> from ppa I think so
[18:41] <billybigrigger> k
[18:42] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: TMP https://www.mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=21235
[18:42] <Sarvatt_> oh Kovert I'm sorry
[18:42] <Kovert> np
[18:42] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, hahaha i can't even open ff to view that
[18:42] <Sarvatt_> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg-video-intel.postinst && sudo aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg-video-intel
[18:43] <Sarvatt_> your postinst got corrupted somehow
[18:43] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: xcrashes? me too. open in safemode, quit and try two or 3 times
[18:43] <billybigrigger> no x crashing here
[18:43] <billybigrigger> just ff being a pita
[18:43] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: I know ! try it
[18:43] <Kovert> Sarvatt: so how can I fix that
[18:43] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'firefox-3.6' received an X Window System error.
[18:43] <Kovert> ah
[18:44] <Sarvatt_> either do what i said or sudo apt-get purge xserver-xorg-video-intel then reinstall it and xserver-xorg-video-all
[18:44] <reto`> where would I have to report problems/bugs?
[18:45] <Kovert> Sarvatt: A winner :-) thank you
[18:45] <billybigrigger> reto`, launchpad.net
[18:45] <charlie-tca> reto`: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[18:46] <tgpraveen2> BUGabundo: what exactly is difference between reporting bugs
[18:46] <tgpraveen2> in launchpad and say gnome bugzilla for gnome programs
[18:46] <BUGabundo> $ gufw Traceback (most recent call last):  File "/usr/share/gufw/gufw.py", line 42, in <module>
[18:46] <BUGabundo> anyone else confirms it?
[18:47] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen2: gnome bugzilla is upstream. *we* don't fix most bugs, upstream does, so they must be informed of them
[18:47] <reto`> there seems to be a problem with cpu scaling on my machine... so is this something I report there?
[18:47] <BUGabundo> hence if the bug is not ours (usually depencies or packaging) it should be upstreamed tgpraveen2
[18:47] <BUGabundo> reto`: does it always stuck on max speed?
[18:48] <charlie-tca> tgpraveen2: bugs reported in launchpad are tracked by ubuntu and visible to all users. They can then be submitted upstream to be tracked also
[18:48] <charlie-tca> Bugs reported upstream will not be seen by most users
[18:49] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: err _most_ bugs _should_ be upstreamed, even by reporter *if* s/he is capable. removing load from bug triaggers
[18:49] <reto`> BUGabundo: no... with the new kernel it seems to support cpufreq for the via cpu... but in a strange way... before it was always at max speed... now it looks like it changes speed but I think it's not... I can't even get it to run at full speed anymore... compared the performace with the two kernel versions
[18:49] <BUGabundo> I do upstream most of my KDEPIM, pidgin, gnome bugs
[18:50] <charlie-tca> Yes, but if reported direct to upstream instead of launchpad, most users will not see them
[18:50] <BUGabundo> reto`: via?? ok, please check on #ubuntu-kernel
[18:50] <tgpraveen2> charlie-tca: the aim of a bug is that it should be fixed
[18:50] <reto`> BUGabundo: k... thanks
[18:50] <tgpraveen2> and if reported upstream then devs will see it as well as other users
[18:50] <charlie-tca> How many reports should there be because it was not in launchpad?
[18:50] <tgpraveen2> from various distros
[18:50] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: that's why I say: upstreaming, report on LP with apport and then link to uptream
[18:51] <BUGabundo> but that's OT for this #
[18:51] <BUGabundo> feel free to continue on #ubuntu-bugs
[18:51] <BUGabundo> :)))
[18:51] <BUGabundo> hey andresmujica
[18:53] <andresmujica> heyya Bugabundo!!
[18:56] <BUGabundo> andresmujica: what have you been up too? not seeing you much around !
[18:56] <BUGabundo> THEKORN: mad at something?
[18:58] <THEKORN> BUGabundo, hehe, yes ;)
[18:59] <BUGabundo> THEKORN: so bread a bit, and let us know what we can do to help :d #friendlyshoulder
[18:59] <THEKORN> thanks
[19:03] <charlie-tca> Maybe he just wanted to be able to spot his name?
[19:04] <andresmujica> bugabundo: tons of work at the office...
[19:06] <BUGabundo> I know the feeling andresmujica
[19:06] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: doesn't hurt to help out the next, does it ? :z
[19:06] <charlie-tca> hope not
[19:07] <tgpraveen2> BUGabundo: if u dont mndd
[19:07] <tgpraveen2> *mind me asking what do u do in real life? i mean how do u find so much time to be in ubuntu world
[19:07] <tgpraveen2> so much time
[19:10] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen2: I'm a sysadmin and web admin on two companies... controlling over 200 servers in each
[19:10] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen2: not sure what you mean as tooo much, since I usually only come here at night :)
[19:10] <tgpraveen2> how do u work for 2 companies. are u a consultant or something
[19:11] <BUGabundo> during work hours I'm usually offline
[19:11] <tgpraveen2> BUGabundo: no i mean u seem to be online most of the time that i am online, and file bug reports etc
[19:11] <BUGabundo> eheh
[19:11] <BUGabundo> I haven't file all that many bugs this cycle! more work, new job
[19:11] <tgpraveen2> guess u r just active and passionate
[19:11] <BUGabundo> I am :s
[19:12] <tgpraveen2> yeah i also noticied these days u r less active even this room than last cycle
[19:12] <BUGabundo> some one has to make this work for release
[19:12] <BUGabundo> right
[19:12] <BUGabundo> last cycle I had less work to do, and more online time
[19:12] <BUGabundo> two cycles ago, more work, but also more online time eheh
[19:13] <BUGabundo> life changes, eventually for better
[19:14] <BUGabundo> no job, sucks :(
[19:14] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen2: ^^^
[19:15] <tgpraveen2> BUGabundo: yeah u r right. all i can say is keep up the gud work
[19:15] <tgpraveen2> i too am trying to be more active
[19:15] <BUGabundo> thanks
[19:16] <tgpraveen2> but u know real life which is overrated anyways ;-) takes time too
[19:16]  * BUGabundo wonders many times, what all of my _friends_ in here do for a living too (feel free to ping me in PVT :) )
[19:17] <BluesKaj> <--- retired labtech ...now just old a grumpy
[19:18] <BluesKaj> and
[19:18]  * charlie-tca is a retired plumber/retired also from U.S. Air Force/disabled
[19:19] <BluesKaj> <--- lives in NE Ontario , in Canada , not calif :)
[19:22] <tgpraveen2> am a comp engg student in india
[19:23] <Lademord> comp eng student, from Denmark here
[19:23] <Lademord> Trying desperately to learn C#
[19:24] <BUGabundo> ahahah Lademord
[19:24] <SeveredCross> Lademord: It's not very tough. :)
[19:25] <Lademord> I hope not :) I've only been to javaland before and even that I'm still not very proficient in..
[19:25] <BUGabundo> hey douglasawh
[19:26] <BUGabundo> anyone here has the bug of returning to GDM?
[19:26] <BUGabundo> DanaG: ^^^^ ?
[19:26] <DanaG> what?
[19:27] <douglasawh> BUGabundo: I *just* ungraded, so it's only happened once. I don't have this second to look at it, but I'll look at some logs later
[19:27] <DanaG> I haven't had any random returns to GDM.
[19:27] <BUGabundo> DanaG:  bug of returning to GDM?
[19:27] <BUGabundo> oh ok
[19:27] <BUGabundo> so yofel ?? ^^^^^^
[19:27] <BUGabundo> douglasawh: its "downgrade" eheh
[19:31] <douglasawh> BUGabundo: actually, it's *upgrade". I made a typo :)
[19:32] <BUGabundo> ahah
[19:32] <douglasawh> BUGabundo: it did feel like an ungrade though
[19:32] <BUGabundo> eheheheehe
[19:34] <poseidon> Has there been any problems with sound not working?  My speakers are fine, sound cards fine, but no sound on anything
[19:35] <DaskreeCH_> Web/FOSS programmer
[19:35] <DaskreeCH_> poseidon: Possibly muted?
[19:36] <BUGabundo> poseidon: isntall pavucontrol and check levels
[19:37] <BUGabundo> I usually get as low as 50% what for me is == mute
[19:37] <BUGabundo> or over 120% which is noise :(
[19:37] <BUGabundo> poseidon: if that doesn't fix it, ping dtchen on #ubuntu-audio-help
[19:37] <poseidon> k, thanks
[19:40]  * penguin42 growls at launchpad
[19:43]  * penguin42 has this bug he's following with zillions of comments on and it only shows the first 'n' and you have to click for it to show them all
[19:44] <BUGabundo> yep penguin42 to speed page loading
[19:44] <penguin42> yeh, it's just I have to keep coming back to this one and obviously it's the last few comments you normally want to see
[19:45] <BUGabundo> penguin42: emails or feeds?
[19:45] <Sarvatt_> wow, did qemu get 10x slower in the past 6 months or something? its taken 4 hours so far to set up an arm karmic build-essential image
[19:45] <BUGabundo> ehehehehehheh Sarvatt
[19:45] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Yeh I'm subscribed so I do see the changes, but I always like to read the last few again before replying
[19:45] <BUGabundo> is the kvm module loaded?
[19:47] <Sarvatt_> thats only for x86/x64
[19:47] <BUGabundo> bl
[19:47] <BUGabundo> bbl
[19:48] <Sarvatt_> ahh heck, i was stupid and added xubuntu-desktop to it too that time, no wonder
[19:48] <Sarvatt_> see ya
[20:09] <andresmujica> bugabundo: are u on karmic 64bits?
[20:30] <DaskreeCH_> KDE 4.3 RC2 \o/
[20:37] <eagles0513875> woot woot DaskreeCH_
[20:37] <DaskreeCH_> I'm stll pissed that they are starting the rubbish already though :-(
[20:37] <eagles0513875> ?
[20:38] <eagles0513875> what do you mean
[20:38] <DaskreeCH_> I really want KDE 4.4
[20:38] <eagles0513875> ahh
[20:38] <DaskreeCH_> and 4.3 isn't even out yet >_<
[20:38] <eagles0513875> hehe
[20:38] <DaskreeCH_> The code they have put in for it already is pretty compelling
[20:39] <DaskreeCH_> Man I can't wait for summer in trunk
[20:39] <eagles0513875> have you tried 4.4 by compiling it from try
[20:39] <eagles0513875> trunk*
[20:39] <DaskreeCH_> no I'm pretty much focusing on 4.3
[20:39] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[20:39] <DaskreeCH_> trying to hit up as many bugs as possible before release so that more people can enjoy it
[20:39] <eagles0513875> j/w would qt channel be the channel to ask questions and support for qtcreator or you have no idea
[20:40] <eagles0513875> i hear ya trying to get into some dev work or helping out by running a debugger on lmms
[20:41] <DaskreeCH_> #qt would be it
[20:41] <eagles0513875> ok thanks
[21:00] <paceholder> hi! did anybody try to install ubuntu 9.04 with ati graphic card?
[21:02] <billybigrigger> paceholder, try #ubuntu
[21:02] <billybigrigger> dammit
[21:03] <billybigrigger> i think apt
[21:03] <reto`> ?
[21:27] <ripps> So, what's with sg3-utils, what's keeping it back?
[21:29] <ghindo> ripps, See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1211386
[21:44] <billybigrigger_> anyone testing chromium?
[21:46] <yofel> if you mean the browser, then yes - from time to time
[21:46] <billybigrigger_> you get 100% cpu usage with it?
[21:46] <billybigrigger_>  5187 billybig  20   0 78120  15m  10m R   95  0.4  21:55.80 npviewer.bin
[21:47] <billybigrigger_>  4971 billybig  20   0  114m  18m  13m S   84  0.5  22:52.98 chromium-browse
[21:47] <billybigrigger_> not even using flash
[21:48] <billybigrigger_> not quite 100% but betwen chromium and npviewer its almost maxing both cores :P
[21:49] <yofel> billybigrigger_: works fine here. But npviewer also isn't running, maybe that's the reason?
[21:49] <billybigrigger_> probably
[21:50] <billybigrigger_> does it close properly for you
[21:50] <billybigrigger_> even after i close chromium....
[21:50] <billybigrigger_>  5187 billybig  20   0 78120  15m  10m R   92  0.4  24:55.05 npviewer.bin
[21:50] <billybigrigger_>  4971 billybig  20   0  114m  18m  13m S   76  0.5  25:48.27 chromium-browse
[21:52] <billybigrigger_> but firefox 3.0 and 3.6 are being a pita today
[21:52] <billybigrigger_> thought i'd try chromium
[21:52] <billybigrigger_> i guess no web browsing for me today haha
[21:53] <yofel> hehe, well chromium works fine here
[21:54] <yofel> was just testing ffx 3.5 again for a while, and I just can't seem to get those detachable tabs right. I always need multiple attempts until they detach :(
[21:54] <billybigrigger_> hmmm
[21:54] <billybigrigger_> maybe i should give 3.5 a go
[21:54] <Supersaiyan_IV> Can somebody confirm that with the latest updates nautilus' configuration is lost when disk space is 0kb, running 64bit
[21:55] <yofel> Supersaiyan_IV: updates with 0KiB disk space is always a *bad* idea.
[21:55] <Supersaiyan_IV> em
[21:55] <Supersaiyan_IV> i meant with an up-to-date system
[21:55] <Supersaiyan_IV> as in 0-day
[21:56]  * SKB has experienced not being able to boot because of low disk space :|
[21:56] <yofel> oh, my fault then
[21:56] <Supersaiyan_IV> ok, because i hit 0kb 15min ago
[21:57] <Supersaiyan_IV> and the result was [  108.000086] Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -97054364 ns) and a shutdown, clean shutdown amazingly enough
[21:57] <yofel> but that's certainly possible to happen. Could be gconf fault when updating the database
[21:57] <Supersaiyan_IV> reboot, all nautilus settings gone, messy panels etc, have to look for other changes
[21:58] <Supersaiyan_IV> very probable
[21:58] <Supersaiyan_IV> not even space to read Xauth
[21:58] <Supersaiyan_IV> copy*
[22:00] <Supersaiyan_IV> just noticed, the date is gone too
[22:03] <Supersaiyan_IV> no wait, i had custom php time format, and that key was reset
[22:03] <Supersaiyan_IV> it seems ubuntu autoreverted to some standard gconf
[22:25] <Zorael^2> packages.ubuntu.com down?
[22:27] <yofel> Zorael^2: seems like it
[22:27] <Supersaiyan_IV> same here
[22:39] <soc> hi
[22:39] <Tekno> hi
[22:39] <soc> does someone have problems with updating dpkg?
[22:44] <TheInfinity> !daily
[22:46] <xanax`> hello
[22:46] <xanax`> koala's gdm now uses gdm.schemas ? is this the new configuration file ?
[22:47] <chrisccoulson> xanax`: it uses gconf
[22:49] <xanax`> i just want to modify gdm.conf ... what command should I type ?
[22:52] <billybigrigger_> what are you trying to do?
[22:52] <xanax`> allow root login
[22:56] <billybigrigger_> xanax`, im not sure if the gdm will allow that
[22:56] <billybigrigger_> im trying to find some info on it
[22:56] <xanax`> it did in earlier versions
[22:57] <xanax`> but it seems the gdm.schemas doesn't feature it
[22:57] <soc> does someone have problems with updating dpkg? i always get sub-process returned error 1 ... is there already a bug report somewhere?
[22:57] <billybigrigger_> soc, check launchpad
[23:00] <billybigrigger_> ola yoasif
[23:01] <yoasif> billybigrigger_, heya
[23:02] <soc> ok
[23:19] <Supersaiyan_IV> hate the fact that ubuntu begins to rely heavily on gconf
[23:19] <Supersaiyan_IV> uncomfortably similar to blowdows' registry
[23:19] <yofel> Supersaiyan_IV: that's not ubuntu's but gnome's fault
[23:20] <Supersaiyan_IV> right
[23:21] <Supersaiyan_IV> now, if the gconf gets autoerased due to low disk space, and let's say doesn't autologin, and said person has no idea about the password
[23:21] <Supersaiyan_IV> fukd deluxe
[23:22] <Supersaiyan_IV> if this was at work/office/gov. it would be a big issue
[23:22] <Ademan> anyone know if eclipse 3.5.0 is slated to make it into karmic?
[23:23] <yofel> Ademan: unless the eclipse package got a new maintainer without me knowing it I heavily doubt that
[23:26] <billybigrigger_> yofel, you said you had an acer laptop right? and your temperature and fan wasn't working?
[23:27] <yofel> billybigrigger_: nope, eeePCs are still from ASUS :P
[23:27] <billybigrigger_> oh you had an eee
[23:27] <billybigrigger_> right
[23:53] <Ademan> yofel: it currently lacks a maintainer? or the current maintainer refuses/just plain hasn't packaged the new version?
[23:55] <kklimonda> Ademan: it has no maintainer
[23:55] <yofel> Ademan: well, fact is that we still have 3.2.2 in debian unstable and there doesn't seem to be anyone working on it
[23:56] <kklimonda> eclipse is going to be orphaned officially soon by debian devs if no one steps in