[00:17] * billybigrigger just booted into his first compiled kernel [00:17] muahaha [00:31] it seems that the .xsession file is no longer read during login. any way to fix that? [00:31] its a known gdm bug [00:34] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux "withou cd" [00:35] does that work for jaunty? [00:35] to upgrade to karmic [00:36] rski: well... it wouldn't really be an upgrade... you'd have a whole new [blank] system after debootstrapping and fiddling with the bootloader ;) [00:36] dosen't matter [00:36] Why not upgrade using the procedure here: Alpha 2 Released: www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha2 [00:36] then it won't use ext4 [00:37] true [00:39] what about ext4???? [00:39] what about random loose questions!?! === zorael_ is now known as Zorael [00:42] "(12:37:07 AM) rski: then it won't use ext4" [00:45] yea i know what i said [00:45] what is your question [00:46] i'm only guessing that from the multiple questinmarks thou. [00:48] rski: do you want ext4? [00:48] yes [00:50] what is your suggestion? [00:50] on a clean install or upgrade? [00:51] now you're confusing me again [00:51] ahaha [00:51] see why I'm confused by _your_ questions ? [00:51] no [00:52] and i dont you think you want to explain it either [00:52] I want [00:53] ok go ahaed [00:53] but I need to understand you first [00:53] understand what [00:53] so I don't provide you with incorrect info [00:53] lolol [00:53] lets start ove [00:53] ------------------------------------------------------------------ delete here -------------------------------------------------------------- [00:53] hi rski. [00:53] what can we do to help you tonight? [00:53] :) [00:54] 01:34 < rski> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux "withou cd" [00:54] 01:35 < rski> does that work for jaunty? [00:54] 01:35 < rski> to upgrade to karmic [00:54] to upgrade use $ update-manager -d [00:54] then it wont have ext4 [00:54] so no [00:54] i don't want that [00:55] you can convert ext3 to ext4 iirc [00:55] but i guess you missed that [00:55] rski: as billybigrigger said, you can convert ext3 to ext4 [00:55] e4defrag works on 2.6.31 now too to convert things to using extents [00:55] e4d ?? [00:56] is that the python script Sarvatt, some one was working on a few weeks back? [00:56] i love how common it is not to answear the actual question on freenode [00:56] but to provide a suggestion for something else instead [00:57] rski: I'm telling you the best way AFAIK [00:57] take it or leave it.... [00:57] the answer was implied [00:57] no one will force you to use anything here [00:57] short: no. you won't have ext4 [00:57] you came here asking for advice, we provided it [00:57] i asked a question [00:57] i didin't get what i wanted [00:58] so no you didn't provide for my POV [00:58] from* [00:58] I want the EuroMilions numbers, can you give them to me ? :p [00:58] this is #crystalball [00:58] while your at it, i'll take the winning 649 numbers [00:59] nope its not a python script BUGabundo [00:59] lol [00:59] rski: I think the confusion is that you asked for a way to upgrade, when in truth, you were asking how to do a clean install. On top of that, there is another way to get ext4 than a clean install... [00:59] Sarvatt: then I must be confuding it with another project [00:59] danbhfive: what? are you kidding me [00:59] i asked if a specific way to upgrade worked [00:59] danbhfive: when did rski asked for a clean install? [01:00] so much bs going on right now [01:00] update-manager -d for upgrade [01:00] then convert ext3 to ext4 [01:00] plain and simple [01:00] clean install is the only way you're getting to get a real ext4 partition, you can upgrade and manually convert things but it wont use all ext4 features [01:00] well, the instructions you first posted were for a clean install, and then you complained about not wanting to do an upgrade... [01:01] Sarvatt, true [01:01] read what i said again [01:01] and if something is not clear please ask me about it [01:01] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux "withou cd" [01:01] does that work for jaunty? [01:01] to upgrade to karmi [01:01] update-manager -d is the only way to upgrade to karmic [01:01] question answered [01:01] i think rski would rather have no responses at all [01:01] silly us :D [01:01] no it's NOT THE ONLY WAY. [01:01] no caps [01:02] but it's the recomended and prefered way [01:02] well then...leave it be [01:02] your question is answered [01:02] even it's from a jaunty>clean karmic it's an upgrade [01:02] no, that's incorrect semantics. [01:02] ? [01:02] billybigrigger: yeah not only way, but rski just replied to him self. so we can all go to bed now :) [01:02] BUGabundo, 10-4 [01:03] well, or if you stretch it,' [01:03] 1am [01:03] 1h03 :p [01:03] BUGabundo, except i just fired up the bbq for burgers as its dinner time for me :P [01:03] you can say "in-place upgrade" versus "destructive upgrade". [01:03] my question is not answered [01:03] but you may think it is for sure [01:03] Even Microsoft calls an upgrade-in-place an upgrade, and a fresh install a "Custom" install. [01:03] billybigrigger: I had no dinner. late lunch after longggg LUG [01:03] yes it is, get off this topic [01:03] rski, what do you want to do? upgrade or clean install? [01:04] i want to upgrade to karmic and get ext4 without using a CD or converting the FS to ext3>ext4 [01:04] because i have no cd and dont want to be stuck if something goes wrong [01:04] that is not possible. [01:04] rski: do you have an USB stick ? [01:04] BUGabundo: no [01:04] rski, sol [01:04] afv: ok [01:04] humm [01:04] billybigrigger: what's sol [01:05] it is possible if you clean install (you can use a USB stick, as BUGabundo suggested) [01:05] afv and he said he has none [01:05] Why are you so against converting? [01:05] sorry, didn't read that [01:05] 02:04 < rski> because i have no cd and dont want to be stuck if something goes wrong [01:05] the only other way I see, it to extract squash fs from the image to disk and boot from there [01:05] why do people only read parts of what i say [01:05] :) [01:06] Well, you won't be able to do a FRESH install then, EITHER. [01:06] SO it's a moot point. [01:06] a chroot is using the file system from before, you arent going to automatically get switched to ext4. if you want ext4 you can either clean install karmic or you can "upgrade" from jaunty to karmic the way people have said and manually convert your partition to ext4 afterwards but you wont get all the features of ext4 doing it that way [01:06] DanaG: he actually can [01:06] guy calm *ALL* down [01:06] If that's debootstrap, the last time I checked, it didn't offer Karmic. [01:06] the only other way I see, it to extract squash fs from the image to disk and boot from there [01:07] ugh, stupid whatever-it-is... I double-click a video file, it doesn't open. [01:07] oh, durh, missing gmplayer. Doh. [01:08] aahah [01:08] rski: would that work for you ? [01:09] creating a new ext4 partition and installing karmic onto there would probably be the best bet [01:09] BUGabundo, is that the first 'thing' from the link he gave? [01:09] no ide [01:10] haven't opened it [01:10] my FF is guud as dead :( [01:10] 3.5? [01:11] how can a product with so many bugs come final? :x [01:11] ask microsoft [01:11] yes.. but ff is not from microsoft.. :p [01:11] 3.6 [01:12] did try 3.6 but some extensions didn't work.. like "tab tree style".. [01:13] or "tree style tab" :p [01:13] most of mine work, and I have more the most of you guys combined :) [01:13] and when i came back to 3.5 it was all messed up :| [01:13] but yesterday it started to acting up [01:13] links open in new windows [01:13] tabs won't close [01:13] several crashes starting it :( [01:14] tabs weren't closing too.. iirc.. [01:14] bugabundo: try disabling video acceleration in flash [01:14] wow they already releasd 3.6? [01:14] theres a problem with flash video acceleration with nvidia binary drivers [01:14] Sarvatt, i've done that, in 3.5, and i still have a lots of crashes (not in video fullscreen) [01:14] rski: alpha1 [01:14] ahh darn [01:14] Sarvatt: flash ? I didn't even opened a flash vid yet! [01:15] after visiting sites with some flash.. just banners.. i close the tab and bang.. seg fault [01:15] Sarvatt: I get a very easy to reproduce crash on firefox startup, on a clean boot [01:15] asac knows about it, and has no idea what causes it :( [01:15] [off-topic] BUGabundo, from what city are you? === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [01:21] lol [01:21] [off-topic] BUGabundo, from what city are you? [01:21] afv: Gondomar === lyra is now known as karma [01:21] Aveiro here :p [01:21] darn #g modem [01:21] how nice [01:21] join #ubuntu-pt [01:21] im glad you chose my nick for the next relase [01:22] karma: ahaahahahahaahahahah [01:22] :D [01:22] im on JJ but i have to go down to 8.10 because [01:23] mounting of usb devices just doesnt occur automatically in 9.04 [01:23] oh yeah, last time I checked, ubufox broke stuff very badly. [01:23] im kind of hoping someone will realize what is wrong and fix it for the karmic koala ;) === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [01:27] DanaG: known [01:34] hmmm' [01:34] the forums are telling me the porblem is the lact of usb_storage in /etc/modules [01:34] let me see [01:36] ll wow [01:49] BUGabundo, can you confirm in gnome-do's preferences, going to the appearance tab, and scrolling down on the docklet's list is messed up? [01:50] checking [01:50] billybigrigger: I can not. WFM [01:50] wfm? [01:50] Works For Me [01:52] ahh [01:52] mmm [01:52] weird [01:54] Installed: 0.8.2+dfsg-0~9.10~ppa1 [01:54] ? [01:54] what's the name of the user-switcher applet? it's not FUSA any more... [01:56] BUGabundo, ???? ^^^ [01:57] no idea [01:57] gdm-user-switch-applet [01:57] gnome-do version i mean :) [01:57] Installed: 0.8.2+dfsg-0~9.10~ppa1 [01:57] hmmm [01:57] well can you tell me is there a show desktop docklet? [01:57] Sarvatt: I just say one word: sucks [01:58] Sarvatt: whta package is it in? [01:58] i just realised its hard to get to desktop when you have a bunch of windows maximized :P [01:58] gdm [01:58] Sarvatt: alright. [01:59] /usr/lib/gdm/gdm-user-switch-applet [02:00] it seems they've adopted some GDM stuff from... Fedora, I think? [02:01] more like they upgraded GDM in general [02:01] is there any way to change the greeter settings now? [02:04] we could be stuck on a 1.5 year old GDM and still have fast-user-switch-applet I guess as an alternative :D [02:04] * afv is Away, Reason: ( tired ) | Since: ( Sunday, July 12, 2009. 02:04:30 ) [02:04] !away | afv [02:04] afv: You should avoid noisy away messages in a busy channel like #ubuntu, or other Ubuntu channels; it causes excessive scrolling which is unfair to new users. Use the command "/away " to set your client away silently. See also «/msg ubottu Guidelines» [02:04] er, rather [02:04] !away > afv [02:04] afv, please see my private message [02:05] i did use /away -_- [02:05] Sarvatt: There's a user switcher applet in the new GDM, but is there any way to change settings? I don't see a GUI configurator anywhere. [02:05] afv: I guess your client likes to broadcast it... which isn't well-liked. [02:05] i dont think so yet, it just got upgraded a few days ago and is still rough around the edges [02:05] i'm trying to disable it ;) [02:07] Sarvatt: oh, yuck. I hope we have SOMETHING by release... [02:07] !language > cdm10 [02:07] cdm10, please see my private message [02:07] theres 3 months still, i'm sure there will be :D [02:08] BUGabundo: you don't like the word yuck? [02:08] ohh it was yuck [02:08] ha :) [02:08] okkkk clear sign I must got to bed [02:08] lol [02:08] nvm me [02:08] !language > BUGabundo [02:08] BUGabundo, please see my private message [02:08] he said yuck! [02:08] I only have _halt_ an eye opened [02:08] ok, it was from xlack. "/xsa off" disabled channel announcement. sorry :) === Zorix- is now known as Zorix [02:18] muahaha [02:18] poor bugabundo [02:25] hmm, are we ending up with packagekit in Karmic? [02:36] cdm10, i think so? [02:36] I'm not sure how I feel about that... my only experience with it is in Fedora, and I remember that their frontends are a bit confusing. [02:38] i don't know for sure [02:38] take a look at the packagekit screenshots [02:38] they look pretty simple to me [02:38] where? [02:38] although i use cli and apt-get [02:39] http://www.packagekit.org/pk-screenshots.html [02:39] :) [02:39] ...sorry, shoulda jfgi'd [02:39] it was a pretty easy google :) [02:39] jfgi'd? [02:39] i mean, with open-source projects, especially backend stuff, you don't expect it to be that simple! [02:39] haha whats that acronym for? [03:38] WTF is "HPLJ 10xx Replaced Paper"? [03:39] Unable to execute child process: "wish" [03:58] dunno [03:58] same here [04:01] i think it means sudo apt-get purge ufw cups-bsd cups-client foomatic-db-hpijs hpijs hplip libsane sane-utils splix xsane xsane-common brltty brltty-x11 cupsddk cupsddk-drivers cups-client cups-common cups-driver-gutenprint cups contact-lookup-applet transmission-common transmission-gtk gimp* python-cups python-brlapi python-cupshelpers min12xxw hplip-data ttf-arphic-uming ttf-sazanami-mincho libicu40 foomatic-db foomatic-db-engine foo [04:01] matic-filters gnome-games* libgutenprint2 gnome-orca openprinting* uno-libs3 system-config-printer-common system-config-printer-gnome apparmor apparmor-utils [04:02] oops minus transmission, thats from my livecd file removal script :) [04:50] I don't know about you, but I do use cups. [04:50] And glasses, too. =þ [04:50] (oof!) [04:53] damn "extace" just segfaults [04:54] 0x00007ffff66daf33 in fftw_execute (p=0x0) at execute.c:24 24 execute.c: No such file or directory. in execute.c [05:24] hello everyone [05:29] upstart still wants to remove startup-tasks, system-services, upstart-compat-sysv, and upstart-logd. Do I just wait, or is it okay to remove these? [05:32] it's ok, the new upstart provides all of those itself [05:36] hi. at nautilus shouldn't the "date modified" of a folder appear at the folder properties? i have to be on the 'previous' folder and change the view to "list view" to see that... [05:45] your question is a bit confusing [05:46] but i can see date modified in list view if thats what you mean [05:48] yes.. but what are the other ways to see the date modified? [05:49] with a file you just alt+enter and it's there.. modified and accessed dates.. [05:49] list view is the only one i know of [05:50] icon/compact view don't show them [05:50] my question was why is it that with a file you can see it but with a folder you can't :p [05:50] (at properties) [05:51] you mean you can't seem date modified when you alt-enter? [05:52] i can see file properties in list view [05:52] yes [05:52] alt-enter [05:52] good question [05:52] file a bug? :P [05:53] i will. just a sec [05:54] have noticed that ages ago but now that i'm "organizing" some things on my disk it turns a bit annoying to have to switch views just to see the date modified of a folder :p [06:02] wow i just learned about apport [06:05] afv, i just run in list view all the time [06:06] how do you create folders? [06:06] any shortcut? [06:06] there's still no space for right clicking :( === WelshDragon is now known as YDdraigGoch [06:32] billybigrigger, still there? [06:33] yeah [06:33] http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2269/propertiesfileandfolder.png [06:33] \ [06:33] i see what your saying [06:33] filed a bug? [06:33] or papercut maybe? [06:33] feature request [06:33] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=588346 [06:33] Gnome bug 588346 in File Properties Dialog "There's no modified and accessed date on folder properties" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] [06:34] ubottu, good boy [06:34] Sorry, I don't know anything about good boy [06:34] :p [06:34] nice [06:35] lol, just noticed the modified date of the file at the screenhot! [06:35] 05:55:50 [06:35] accessed* [06:39] hmmm... I can't seem to get mecurial to work anymore. `hg pull` just causes the commandline to sit there and do nothing. [06:47] billybigrigger, lol.... now the size of a folder at "list view" is the number of files and to see the size in MB i have to do alt-enter..... :p [06:48] list view - size: 63 items [06:48] folder properties - contents: 142 items, totalling 29.1 MB [06:49] 63 items is the number of files+folders on the "first level" [06:51] (and nautilus just crashed now, emptying the trash.. yay :x) [07:20] afv: stop teasing nautilis! [07:20] -i+u [08:00] Ian_, i just want it better :p [08:03] just found another "bug".. oh well :x [09:01] so lsb_release doesnt work in ubuntu+1? [09:05] lsb_release -a ? [09:09] oh i have to put -a [09:10] no wonder it wasnt working for me [09:10] it works? [09:10] yeah it works if i put "lsb_release -a" [09:10] okay :) [09:10] but not if i only put "lsb_release" === zniavre__ is now known as zniavre [11:04] hey is anyone having problems removing gnash? [11:13] im not able to remove it even with sudo apt-get -f remove :( [11:23] Hey, I just upgraded to karmic and finally - after ~3 years of anxious waiting - got native ALSA support of my X-Fi sound card! Totalübercool [11:23] I have a question about something else: How come Firefox 3.5 hasn't made it to the repos of karmic yet? [11:23] DrHalan1: what error do you get?? [11:24] Lademord - ff3.5 is there already isn't it? just not default [11:24] Lademord: it's there called firefox-3.5, the mozilla team hasn't yet changed the default browser [11:24] ah ok, cool. I'll install it right away! [11:25] Lademord: you'll find it in the menu called 'Shiroteko Web Browser' [11:25] Also I think the banshee in the repos is still the old 1.4.3, but maybe they haven't changed to 1.5.0 because that one is still marketed as 'unstable'.. [11:25] chrisccoulson: the pre-removal script returns error code 2 [11:25] yofel, well that's not the most intuitive naming.. but thanks :) [11:26] Lademord: that's his codename, he'll be called firefox once he's the default ;) [11:26] and the log says something like "error. no alternative for iceape-flashplugin" [11:26] phew, okay. For a moment I feared another Iceweasel... [11:27] DrHalan1 - i don't see that error here [11:27] chrisccoulson: the error just occurs with mozilla-plugin-gnash the other ones will be removed just fine [11:28] ah, ok. i didnt try that [11:28] Lademord: OT: judging from 'Totalübercool': are you from germany? [11:29] yofel, nope, but (geographically) close: Denmark :) [11:29] I've been to Germany a lot, though [11:38] Btw, does anyone here know if Empathy has a 'Now playing' function like e.g. Emesene has? [11:51] DrHalan1 - i can reproduce your issue [11:51] i'll upload a fix for that in a minute [11:52] Lademord: not right n ow [11:52] damn [11:53] is there a bug report or something to look at to see if it is planned? [11:53] bug report yes [11:53] on telepathy bug zilla n freedesktop site [11:54] but it is low priority right now [11:54] and requieres many changes i think so devs not too intrested [12:05] olá e bom dia [12:06] Is it possible yet to upgrade a 9.04 to 9.10 or do you have to do a fresh install for that? [12:08] yes it is FFEMTcJ [12:08] you should know that by now [12:09] FFEMTcJ: $ update-manager -d [12:31] karmic seems o be a version that everyone should do a fresh install t\due to foundation level changes [12:31] eg grub2,ext4 [12:32] i have been upgrading since hardy but now i think to remove the cruft i will [12:32] do fresh install [12:37] tgpraveen: +100 [12:37] I'll do my 1st fresh install this week [12:37] SO MANY THINGS BROKEN [12:37] !caps | BUGabundo [12:37] BUGabundo, please see my private message [12:38] !caps [12:38] PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too. [12:38] but what sucks, is that I know that after a clean install I won't get a much cleaner system, but OTOH ill loose *all* my settings that took *years* to fine tune :( [12:39] tgpraveen: :) [12:39] I slapped my self already :) [12:39] yeah i guess that is a sacrifice [12:39] yeah i saw that ltr [12:39] :-) [12:56] had anyone got fglrx running with karmic? [13:12] Hello. How can I set RapidSVN not to ask me my passphrase for my SSH key each time I want to SVN update? [13:24] wth, in karmic I only really have one issue: In movies in Totem and VLC everyone is blue! I think it must have something to do with codecs. [13:24] There are no problems on online videos like YouTube [13:27] Lademord: yup I've noticed that as well, though it was only mine that'd gone whacko, seems like some codec is effected, since some videos online which use the vlc plugin are also affected.. [13:28] arand, in Totem it occurred after i installed the gstreamer0.10 ffmpeg plugin [13:28] Lademord: It's basically the red channel that's kaputt innit? [13:28] but if others are also affected then I'm sure the devs already know about it and are fixing it [13:28] arand, probably yeah [13:30] Lademord: what does Totem use as Edit->Preferences-->Display->Hue ? [13:31] the slider should be in the middle [13:32] The three first sliders are in the middle, the fourth is turned all the way down, yofel [13:32] (I'm on Danish interface so I dunno which one you are talking about) [13:32]