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| slangasek | I don't understand the purpose of ubuntu-devel being moderated, if "please put a browser on the Linux kernel and call it Ubuntu" makes the cut | 00:25 |
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| pochu | I guess it's psychological | 00:27 |
| pochu | many people don't probably mail -devel because it's moderated :) | 00:28 |
| slangasek | perhaps | 00:28 |
| ScottK | slangasek: Maybe someone should ask Barry Warsaw for a "No, send this to devel-discuss" button for the moderator in mailman. | 00:31 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: indeed | 00:55 |
| Keybuk | clearly a browser on top of the Linux kernel should be called "ChromeOS" | 00:55 |
| slangasek | Keybuk: that's *GNU*/ChromeOS | 01:50 |
| ScottK | Back will it have emacs? | 02:02 |
| ScottK | Back/But | 02:02 |
| directhex | ScottK, *insert tasteless yet topical joke involving emacs virgins here*? | 02:12 |
| ScottK | Yeah, well I figured people would get that without me having to actually say it. | 02:12 |
| billybigrigger | are we going to end up with packagekit in karmic? | 02:42 |
| directhex | i never got the jumping up & down people do about packagekit | 02:46 |
| * ScottK neither. We're using kpackagekit in Kubuntu and it's really unsuitable. | 02:47 | |
| emma | oh yeah? | 02:48 |
| ScottK | Yeah. | 02:48 |
| wgrant | ScottK: How does that work with debconf? | 02:48 |
| ScottK | wgrant: It doesn't. That's one chunk of the unsuitableness. | 02:49 |
| wgrant | ScottK: It's not the primary package manager, then? | 02:49 |
| ScottK | wgrant: It is. | 02:49 |
| wgrant | .... huh? | 02:49 |
| ScottK | Our choices were Adept which was still beta and only barely being developed, kpackagekit which had some people behind it, or no GUI package management. | 02:50 |
| ScottK | Personally, I'd have gone with choice 1 or choice 3, but it wasn't my decision. | 02:51 |
| ScottK | It doesn't do any cryptographic verification of packages either (this may get fixed in Karmic). | 02:54 |
| ScottK | It crashes a lot. | 02:54 |
| ScottK | It doesn't notify about new packages reliably. | 02:54 |
| ScottK | There's no way to do the equivalent of dist-upgrade. | 02:55 |
| ScottK | Other than that, it's not too bad. | 02:55 |
| wgrant | Um, how did it get away with not verifying signatures? | 02:57 |
| wgrant | That sounds like about the worst possible kind of bug. | 02:57 |
| ScottK | Well Adept 3 didn't do it either, so it wasn't a regression. | 02:57 |
| ScottK | (Adept 2, the KDE3 one we had in Hardy did do this) | 02:58 |
| ScottK | If it sounds like I'm grumpy about it, then your on track. | 02:58 |
| wgrant | I'm very scared now. | 02:58 |
| ScottK | Yeah, well except for this netbook that I'm about to reinstall, I've never installed a package using it. | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | slangasek: i don't think new subscriptions get moderated :( perhaps they should | 04:03 |
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| tracyanne | I'm looking for help to create a custom Ubuntu installer, that will create 3 partitions by default root swap home instead of the standard root swap that is the default Ubuntu install | 08:08 |
| cjwatson | (I answered tracyanne's question on #ubuntu-installer) | 09:06 |
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| didrocks | jdstrand: thanks for merging it :) | 09:29 |
| jetienne | q. i am building livecd, building the md5sum.txt consumes time, can i skip it if i am ready to give up the possibility to check the cd | 10:23 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: GNU/kLinux/ChromeOS | 11:03 |
| ogra | geez ... upstart fails totally random places if i try to build it | 11:54 |
| ogra | hmm and gcc-snapshot ftbfs on armel too ... bad | 12:11 |
| * ogra tries to build it himself | 12:11 | |
| Sarvatt_ | see you in 48 hours :) | 12:20 |
| Sarvatt_ | oh just snapshot | 12:20 |
| ogra | well, 4.4 definately has issues, i want to see if they go away with snapshot | 12:21 |
| ogra | and my armel build system here is as fast as the buildds ... | 12:21 |
| Sarvatt_ | is it failing making the lzma debs, or during the build/test runs? | 12:23 |
| ogra | its segfaulting during builds, sometimes it spills "internal error" during the tests ... totally random | 12:24 |
| ogra | bug 398403 | 12:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 398403 in gcc-4.4 "gcc-4.4 fails to build upstart 0.6 on armel due to an internal compiler error" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398403 | 12:24 |
| Sarvatt_ | how much memory do those builders have? | 12:24 |
| ogra | 512M | 12:24 |
| Sarvatt_ | (just curious) | 12:24 |
| Sarvatt_ | i get random failures compiling gcc in 512MB on my OpenVZ VPS | 12:25 |
| ogra | well, i didnt get failures compiling gcc :) | 12:26 |
| ogra | i did get failures compiling upstart | 12:26 |
| ogra | gcc segfaulting or dying with internal error | 12:26 |
| Sarvatt_ | never could figure out why, can compile it from upstream source fine but rebuilding the packages fails in random spots | 12:26 |
| cjwatson | jetienne: yes | 12:27 |
| jetienne | cjwatson: thanks | 12:27 |
| Sarvatt_ | thats exactly the error it fails out with too not that it says alot | 12:28 |
| Sarvatt_ | gcc: Internal error: Killed (program cc1) that is, not failing in that specific spot.. some kind of ulimit problem maybe? | 12:29 |
| ogra | we'll see if it goes away if building with -snapshot | 12:29 |
| ogra | (once i have built that :) ) | 12:29 |
| ogra | well, i doubt that since i also get random segfaults | 12:30 |
| ogra_ | grr | 13:01 |
| ogra_ | gcc -c -g -fkeep-inline-functions -DIN_GCC -W -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wcast-qual -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-format-attribute -pedantic -Wno-long-long -Wno-variadic-macros -Wno-overlength-strings -Wold-style-definition -Wc++-compat -fno-common -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../src/gcc -I../../src/gcc/. -I../../src/gcc/../include -I../../src/gcc/../libcpp/include -I../../src/g | 13:01 |
| ogra_ | cc/../libdecnumber -I../../src/gcc/../libdecnumber/dpd -I../libdecnumber genrtl.c -o genrtl.o | 13:01 |
| ogra_ | cc1: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault | 13:01 |
| ogra_ | Please submit a full bug report, | 13:01 |
| cjwatson | isn't that basically classic gcc FAQ symptoms of bad RAM? | 13:02 |
| cjwatson | particularly when intermittently reproducible | 13:03 |
| cjwatson | or I suppose that you're short on memory | 13:04 |
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| cjwatson | http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ | 13:04 |
| cjwatson | I mean, obviously segfaults are often programming errors. But intermittent random-appearing segfaults in something like gcc that has known input and processes it in a deterministic way ... well, go figure | 13:05 |
| cjwatson | a gcc bug would not be the first thing I'd suspect for that, myself | 13:05 |
| pochu | pitti: hi, what space do you need for the ddebs archive? ISTR it was around 5GB/arch/release, counting main+restricted+universe+multiverse? | 13:29 |
| gimpuzmani | Hello | 13:41 |
| gimpuzmani | I want to interview with Ubuntu developer | 13:42 |
| gimpuzmani | for e-magazine | 13:42 |
| pochu | pitti: hmm, seems to be 12GB for main+universe on karmic/i386 ? | 13:48 |
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| geser | jdstrand: re bug 398445: it's already fixed but the fix didn't land yet on edge | 15:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 398445 in soyuz "getPublishedSources dies with Internal Server Error on karmic distro_series (dup-of: 397732)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398445 | 15:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 397732 in soyuz "Getting an SPPH through the API crashes if the SPR is unsigned" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397732 | 15:44 |
| geser | jdstrand: getPublishedSources() OOPSes currently for every synced package | 15:44 |
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| jdstrand | geser: ok, cool. thanks :) | 18:19 |
| Carroarmato0 | is it normal for an Ubuntu server to ask me to reboot the system juist when I logged in? | 18:26 |
| Carroarmato0 | do I have to worry? :| | 18:26 |
| |Baby| | anyone with a Nvidia graphic card might want to help me test a game package? | 18:39 |
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| tgpraveen2 | Carroarmato0: wrong channel | 18:39 |
| tgpraveen2 | try ubuntu-server or something | 18:39 |
| Carroarmato0 | tgpraveen2, sorry about that | 18:40 |
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| laga | ping pitti - hey. do you know if devicekit-power is already used in karmic? i'm wondering because i don't see support for quirks in the code | 20:33 |
| ion | i ubuntu-desktop Depends gnome-power-manager, i A gnome-power-manager Depends devicekit-power (>= 009) | 20:35 |
| laga | ion: yeah. but i think HAL is still used for some stuff (or at least it can be used by devicekit-power.. from what i read on their mailing list). so i'm not sure if the quirks are available or not | 20:36 |
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| realo | hiho | 22:24 |
| realo | we develop http://dooble.sf.net --- currently making the linux release | 22:25 |
| realo | the idea is, to maybe later add an linux kernel, so to have the browser as the gui | 22:26 |
| realo | anyone insterested to join or help to create a deb. file for the linux release? | 22:26 |
| pochu | a browser on top of a kernel? that sounds familiar :) | 22:28 |
| mok0 | realo: no one here right now, probably better to post a message to udd | 22:28 |
| realo | uud? | 22:29 |
| realo | yes a browser on top of a kernel | 22:30 |
| realo | dooble has a desktop integrated for that | 22:30 |
| pam | What is the best way to work on a merge issue when a package is assigned to Ubuntu Core Developers? (to check we are not duplicating work) | 22:30 |
| mok0 | pam, contact last uploader | 22:31 |
| pam | mok0: ok. Thanks | 22:31 |
| lifeless | realo: 'udd' == 'ubuntu distro development' list, I think | 22:43 |
| Laney | ubuntu-devel-discuss | 22:44 |
| pam | cjwatson: Do you know if anyone is looking at the gfxboot patches for syslinux (merge issue)? Not sure https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux/+bug/270822 is the official bug. Otherwise, I'd be happy to give it a shot (we already talked a bit about it with hpa). | 22:44 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 270822 in syslinux "please upgrade syslinux from debian to 3.80" [Low,Triaged] | 22:44 |
| ion | (offtopic) realo: Dooble seems to contain RetroMessenger, which seems to be based on RetroShare. The last time i looked, RetroShare was horribly insecure. It used an ancient version OpenSSL (∴ many unpatched security holes) with a RetroShare-specific patch (that appears to be a pain to rebase against a newer version of OpenSSL). | 22:44 |
| lifeless | Laney: ah thanks | 22:45 |
| cjwatson | pam: probably not for karmic | 22:47 |
| cjwatson | pam: seems like a heck of a lot of work in a critical component, would rather do it at the start of a release | 22:47 |
| cjwatson | pam: if somebody wants to do it, I guess I can review it, although I expect that reviewing it might actually be as much work as just doing it myself ;-) | 22:48 |
| pam | heh | 22:48 |
| cjwatson | pam: although it *is* good news that the gfxboot patches are merged upstream | 22:48 |
| loois | is it possible to upgrade the kernel + intel drivers to jaunty without all the other upgrades? | 22:48 |
| loois | oops maybe i'm in the wrong channel :( | 22:49 |
| cjwatson | pam: so, I don't have time, but feel free to suggest patches in the form of a diff against the current package in Debian unstable. Please test them with current CD images | 22:49 |
| pam | cjwatson: getting rid of the old suse patch would be great | 22:49 |
| pam | okay | 22:49 |
| pam | cjwatson: Just wanted to double check you are not actively working on it right now ;) | 22:49 |
| cjwatson | I am not | 22:50 |
| cjwatson | I've commented on the bug. Depressed as usual about bugabundo's rather direct attitude | 22:50 |
| maco | is there a mini iso for karmic yet? | 22:51 |
| pam | Thanks for the comment. Will ping hpa about it as soon as he is back. | 22:51 |
| cjwatson | maco: always was | 22:51 |
| maco | apparently cdimage is not the right place to look...got a hint for me? | 22:51 |
| cjwatson | pam: why hpa? I know he's upstream, but I wouldn't expect him to be involved in Ubuntu packaging | 22:51 |
| cjwatson | oh, no links on cdimage/netboot/, bah | 22:52 |
| cjwatson | maco: look at /netboot/jaunty/ on cdimage, do the obvious URL substitution :-) | 22:52 |
| cjwatson | I'll sort out cdimage now | 22:52 |
| maco | ok | 22:52 |
| cjwatson | oh, actually | 22:53 |
| cjwatson | maco: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/karmic/ does exist, it's just not linked from /netboot/ | 22:53 |
| maco | yeah, i see that | 22:53 |
| pam | cjwatson: we talked about reducing the amount of changes between distro and upstream a while ago. Just want his take again. | 22:53 |
| cjwatson | (fixeD) | 22:53 |
| maco | i keep trying to look in cdimage.ubuntu.com/karmic/ | 22:53 |
| maco | thanks | 22:53 |
| cjwatson | pam: that's usually best done by forwarding patches :-) | 22:53 |
| pam | Forwarding? Meaning forward-porting your patches or submitting them upstram? | 22:54 |
| pam | +e | 22:54 |
| cjwatson | the latter | 22:55 |
| cjwatson | what I mean is, there's little point in agreeing some kind of joint position statement with upstream that we think we should be shipping the same thing :-P | 22:55 |
| cjwatson | developers are practical people - just send patches around if you want to get things in sync | 22:55 |
| pam | Yeah, IIRC he didn't like the overall approach and had ideas about improving that. | 22:56 |
| cjwatson | anyhow, I think the only patches we have against syslinux aside from gfxboot are pure packaging, not anything to do with upstream | 22:56 |
| pam | That should be easy. | 22:57 |
| cjwatson | so if gfxboot exists upstream as a module now then there's nothing else to be done with hpa | 22:57 |
| pam | Anyway, there is a lot of work being done with gsoc this summer (ext4, hdt, ...) and upgrading ubuntu package would really benefit the distro | 22:57 |
| cjwatson | but it *does* need to be smoke-tested (preferably in at least isolinux and syslinux modes) before just dropping it into Ubuntu | 22:57 |
| pam | definitively | 22:58 |
| cjwatson | that should be fairly straightforward for somebody with time who more or less knows their way around; have at it ;-) | 22:58 |
| pam | heh | 22:58 |
| realo | bug created: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/398575 | 23:05 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 398575 in ubuntu "[needs packaging] Dooble Web Browser" [Undecided,New] | 23:05 |
| cjwatson | pam: (oh, and thanks in advance. not enough hours in the day ...) | 23:06 |
| pam | cjwatson: You're very welcome. | 23:07 |
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