[00:31] <Paddy_NI> Hello big guys and gals :) http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28382
[00:31] <Paddy_NI> woops
[00:31] <Paddy_NI> wrong channel
[00:32] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:33] <Paddy_NI> :P
[01:41] <fta> BUGabundo, encoding looks weird
[01:41] <fta> BUGabundo, http://identi.ca/notice/6340526
[01:41] <BUGabundo> fta: nope! its just like that
[01:41] <BUGabundo> its called punycode
[01:42] <BUGabundo> some one decided to do µshort urls :)
[01:42] <fta> i call that garbage, that's just unrecognized unicode characters
[01:44] <fta> just finished watching enterprise, the series ending was disappointing :P
[01:44] <BUGabundo> wfm
[01:45]  * asac returned being drunk
[01:45] <asac> good night i guess ;)
[01:45] <BUGabundo> asac: go to bed
[01:45] <BUGabundo> we don't want drunk ppl here
[01:45] <asac> hehe
[01:46] <BUGabundo> there are enough bugs already
[01:46] <asac> yeaj
[01:46] <BUGabundo> humm typos already?
[01:46] <BUGabundo> this is going to be fun
[01:46] <asac> i cannot even type, so its probaby better ;)
[01:46] <BUGabundo> bye
[01:46] <asac> hehe .. yeah, this is genuine mistyping
[01:46] <BUGabundo> I should follow you too
[01:46] <asac> cu tomorrow
[01:46] <BUGabundo> 2am
[01:46] <BUGabundo> no 'cu' please. its ass in PT
[01:47] <BUGabundo> :d
[06:40] <ripps> Since some of the mozilla packages here use mercurial, I wanted to know if anybody using the latest version in Karmic has been having trouble getting `hg pull` to work.
[06:42]  * micahg doesn't build the packages and doesn't use karmic yet, sorry
[06:43] <ripps> Exception AttributeError: "'httprepository' object has no attribute 'urlopener'" in <bound method httprepository.__del__ of <mercurial.httprepo.httprepository object at 0xb7e1a12c>> ignored
[06:48] <micahg> ripps: have you tried multiple repos yet?
[06:49] <micahg> maybe that repo is undergoing maintenance
[06:55] <ripps> micahg: you might be right. I've tried to got bitbucket.com using my browser, and it doesn't work.
[08:06] <EruditeHermit> fta: hi
[09:05] <EruditeHermit> fta: I was interested in your o3d builds if you get back
[10:33] <asac> happy sunday folks
[10:34] <asac> EruditeHermit: you have it installed, or want to try o3d?
[10:34] <asac> EruditeHermit: if you are looking for the sources:
[10:34] <asac> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-webtech/o3d-daily/ubuntu karmic main
[10:34] <asac> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-webtech/o3d-daily/ubuntu karmic main
[10:34] <asac> it doesnt work for me
[10:35] <asac> but thats because of driver issues
[11:00] <bmhm> hi every1
[11:00] <bmhm> when I install 3.5 from repositories, I always get a sigfault. Any ideas? Or is this a known issue?
[11:04] <asac> bmhm: do you have lots of extensions installed?
[11:04] <bmhm> asac, yes. But I cannot even start with -safe-mode
[11:04] <asac> bmhm: does it help if you move your $HOME/.mozilla to some backup directory before starting?
[11:05] <bmhm> I'll try
[11:05] <asac> (e.g. start with fresh profile)
[11:07] <bmhm> asac, http://nopaste.info/ad553662a6.html
[11:07] <asac> bmhm: yeah. that one is known
[11:07] <asac> its a bug in X i think. but i couldnt track that down yet
[11:07] <asac> some folks see it
[11:07] <asac> some dont
[11:07] <bmhm> I see. I'm on amd64 if that matters.
[11:08] <asac> bmhm: is usually works better if you start it with --sync
[11:08] <asac> bmhm: yeah. i see it on i386 too
[11:08] <bmhm> --sync won't help. A pity :-(
[11:09] <asac> bmhm: do you use desktop effects?
[11:09] <bmhm> yes I do
[11:09] <asac> maybe disabling them helps?
[11:09] <bmhm> I'll try
[11:09] <asac> (just to narrow this further down)
[11:10] <bmhm> sure, I'd love to help where I can
[11:10] <asac> i think i even saw it on this system - which never had desktop effect; but it happens less frequently here than on my compiz system for sure
[11:10] <bmhm> asac, I just saw a window popping up, but still ending in a segfault
[11:10] <bmhm> I have an idea
[11:10] <bmhm> maybe it's my gnome globalmenu
[11:10] <asac> bmhm: segfault?
[11:11] <bmhm> segfault => segmentation fault
[11:11] <asac> oh i see that you get a segfault on second run
[11:11] <asac> only saw the x window error
[11:11] <asac> bmhm: which driver are you using?
[11:18] <asac> fta: which wifi driver are you using on NC10?
[11:18] <bmhm> well I found the solution
[11:18] <asac> 12:11 < asac> bmhm: which driver are you using?
[11:18] <bmhm> the problem is indeed gnome globalmenu
[11:18] <asac> hmm
[11:18] <asac> what is that globalmenu?
[11:19] <bmhm> a mac-like menu as gnome panel applet
[11:19] <asac> i think the X error is less likely to happen if you just started X
[11:19] <bmhm> I never saw it again
[11:19] <asac> bmhm: so now it starts?
[11:19] <bmhm> yes
[11:20] <bmhm> I just had to disable the gnome globalmenu applet
[11:20] <asac> bmhm: and you changed nothing else?
[11:20] <asac> bmhm: can you do some stress tests and start firefox like 50 times ;)?
[11:20] <bmhm> no
[11:20] <bmhm> for sure
[11:20] <asac> maybe also use other X apps a bitheavily before
[11:20] <bmhm> asac, the issue might be known. I remember there was a fix for firefox
[11:20] <asac> bmhm: how do i instlal the globalmenu?
[11:20] <bmhm> and ff3.5 has another name
[11:21] <bmhm> asac, there is a repository. Just a mo'
[11:21] <asac> ah its not in the main archive?
[11:21] <bmhm> no :(
[11:21] <asac> the fix for firefox, or the globalmenu thing ;)?
[11:22] <bmhm> well the fix was for global menu ;-)
[11:22] <asac> any pointers to the firefox fix would be great
[11:22] <bmhm> it's about XULs behaviour i think
[11:22] <asac> also please give me the repo so i can poke it a bit
[11:22] <bmhm> ok wait just a second
[11:23] <bmhm> I was just recovering my profile
[11:23] <bmhm> asac, if you speak german here is a howto I wrote: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GNOME_Globalmenu
[11:23] <bmhm> if you don't just fetch the launchpad URLs ;-)
[11:24] <asac> bmhm: oh
[11:24] <asac> does that thing rip out the menus from the apps?
[11:24] <bmhm> yes exactly - all but firefox because of xul
[11:25] <bmhm> so there was a crash with firefox 3.0 also, if I recall correctly
[11:25] <bmhm> they fixed it by adding firefox' name to a static "do-not-touch"-list
[11:25] <asac> i did something similar at some point ;)
[11:25] <bmhm> and 3.5's name is not firefox
[11:26] <asac> ok i see
[11:27] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/screenshots/newmobile/
[11:27] <asac> ;)
[11:28] <asac> but the idea was to remove toolbars and menus
[11:28] <asac> for full-screen wms for small/touch screens
[11:28] <bmhm> woah
[11:29] <bmhm> asac, that's my desktop how it looked like http://mampfit.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/globalmenu-nautilus.png
[11:29] <bmhm> I don't use the macish theme any more
[11:30] <asac> yeah
[11:31] <asac> bmhm: i cannot find "firefox" anywhere in the upstream source
[11:32] <bmhm> asac, I'm not exactly sure how they fixed it. I just know they did some kind of workaround. I will check out their bugtracker
[11:33] <bmhm> firefox 3.5 feels good. Great work!
[11:34] <asac> bmhm: thanks. if you have pointers to the patch they landed as a workaround that would be great
[11:34] <bmhm> They patched globalmenu, not firefox
[11:36] <bmhm> asac, I just found a bug related to the crash: http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/issues/detail?id=371&can=1&q=firefox%20crash
[11:37] <asac> flash?
[11:37] <asac> so if you remove flash + nspluginwrapper does it work again?
[11:38] <bmhm> I won't try :D
[11:38] <bmhm> well
[11:38] <asac> why not?
[11:38] <bmhm> yes I will
[11:38] <asac> good ;)
[11:38] <bmhm> just give me a second
[11:38] <asac> i dont think its the bug you are seeing. at least i didnt see the  output from that bug
[11:40] <bmhm> ok I am just starting ff
[11:41] <bmhm> it totaly messed up all my settings
[11:41] <bmhm> I need to re-login
[11:41] <bmhm> brb
[11:42] <asac2> ok changed my nick as i changed the system
[11:45] <bmhm> I get a segfault
[11:46] <bmhm> I'm just looking for another location of my flash plugin
[11:46] <bmhm> but I'm pretty sure it's globalmenu
[11:46] <bmhm> brb
[11:49] <bmhm> asac, removing flash won't help
[12:06] <BUGabundo> olá e bom dia
[12:07] <BUGabundo> fta: would this work for you ? http://twitfactory.com/
[12:07] <BUGabundo>  standalone twitter/identi.ca client
[12:07] <bmhm> Yo no hablo español. :)
[12:07] <BUGabundo>  cross-platform (Windows, Mac OS X and Linux) standalone application based on Mozilla xulrunner.
[12:08]  * BUGabundo slaps bmhm!
[12:08] <BUGabundo> that was *NOT* Spanish
[12:08] <BUGabundo> :d
[12:08] <bmhm> XD
[12:08] <bmhm> but something similar? portuguese?
[12:10] <BUGabundo> yep
[12:11] <bmhm> Wow, Tracemonkey rocks!
[12:18] <asac2> fta still not happy with gwibber now? ;)
[12:26] <micahg> asac2: can you look at bug 398143
[12:26] <micahg> I think it's just a setting in his audio controls
[12:43] <asac2> micahg: thats a question
[12:43] <asac2> imo
[12:43] <asac2> not a bug
[12:44] <asac2> so i would push the "convert to question button"
[12:44] <micahg>  ok
[12:44] <micahg> I take it you concur it's a settings issue
[12:44] <asac2> yes
[12:44] <asac2> pretty sure ... or something else.
[12:44] <asac2> its a question until its a proper bug ;)
[12:44] <micahg> ok
[12:49] <micahg> asac2: is mozilla planning on keeping with the once a month approx security releases for 3.5?
[12:49] <asac2> i haven't heard about any change in that regard ... but i should probably check the security mailing list mbox again ;)
[12:49] <micahg> ok
[12:50] <micahg> I'm just wondering when to poke you about the ubufox pulling in ff3.0 on jaunty
[12:50] <micahg> you said you wouldn't make a special release for it
[12:50] <micahg> so the next security release makes sense
[12:55] <micahg> oh, asac2, can you look at bug 398121
[12:55] <micahg> I installed the package without issue after I saw the bug
[12:55] <micahg> I updated teh description with the error from the log
[12:56] <asac2> hmm
[12:57] <asac2> thats probably a bug
[12:57] <asac2> please set to triaged with priority high and assign to me
[12:57] <micahg> I think I already had the file
[12:57] <micahg> will do
[12:57] <micahg> asac2: if it's assigned, shouldn't it be in progress?
[12:58] <asac2> no
[12:58] <asac2> in progress means that i started to work on it ;)
[12:58] <micahg> hmmm
[12:58] <asac2> but some might disagree
[12:58] <asac2> its a personal thing how to organize your task list
[12:59] <micahg> ok
[12:59] <asac2> i cannot look at "triaged" bugs to pick something because there are too many ;)
[12:59] <asac2> so assigning brings them in my short list ;)
[12:59] <micahg> the status wiki page says in progress must be assigned, not the other way around...so you're preference is fine with me :)
[12:59] <micahg> *your
[12:59] <asac2> well for ffox 3.5 its not a problem yet i guess
[13:00] <asac2> but if its assigned i also get the bugmail ;)
[13:00] <micahg> don't you get the bugmail anyways?
[13:00] <asac2> i get all yes
[13:00] <asac2> but i dont read everything
[13:01] <micahg> does it flag it differently if you're assigned?
[13:02] <asac2> yes my procmail rule moves it to my main inbox
[13:02] <micahg> :)
[13:02] <micahg> that works
[13:03] <asac2> assigned goes to inbox; subscribed to a high-prio mailbox; the rest somewhere else
[13:03] <micahg> I haven't subscribed to all mozilla bugs yet
[13:03] <micahg> It's hard enough for me to keep up with what I triage :)
[13:03] <asac2> subscribed == direct subscriptions
[13:04] <asac2> better dont subscribe to everything
[13:04] <asac2> you are already working really hard
[13:04] <asac2> at some point it becomes inefficient
[13:04] <asac2> if you are subscribed to firefox-3.0 its already more than most can handle
[13:04] <micahg> i'm not subscribed to all ff3.0
[13:04] <micahg> just what I triage
[13:04] <micahg> I watch for new bugs though
[13:04] <asac2> i guess thats smarter ;)
[13:05] <micahg> I guess I'm missing if something old gets flagged master or metabug
[13:05] <asac2> yeah. i wanted to make my procmail rule to also move NEW bugmails to a special folder
[13:06] <asac2> at some point i read everything
[13:06] <micahg> I jsut started filtering by newest first, but it's hard because you can't select multiple pacakges
[13:06] <asac2> but i failed to spot some important bugs because i didnt spend enough time on each bug
[13:06] <micahg> I have 3 different tabs open, one fore each ff pacakge
[13:06] <micahg> yeah, that's gotta be hard
[13:07] <asac2> so i stopped doing that ;)
[13:08] <micahg> yeah, the mozilla team is in charge of so many package
[13:08] <micahg> *packages
[13:08] <micahg> oh
[13:08] <micahg> I wanted to ask you, about firefox extensions
[13:08] <micahg> is the ff extensions project in lp used?
[13:09] <asac2> yeah. we need someone to drive it ;)
[13:09] <asac2> ff extension project is used
[13:09] <micahg> maybe one day...
[13:09] <micahg> ok
[13:09] <asac2> all bzr branches are supposed to go there
[13:09] <micahg> I moved a bug there
[13:09] <asac2> code.launchpad.net/firefox-extensions
[13:09] <micahg> but I didn't know if anyone used it
[13:09] <micahg> there was a request for pacakging
[13:09] <asac2> the idea was that the mozilla-extensions-dev team and the ubuntu-mozillasquad watch the firefox-extensions bugs
[13:09] <asac2> but i guess they are not
[13:10] <asac2> but for packaging requests its the right project
[13:10] <asac2> i think we even have that documented on the wiki as the preferred procedure
[13:18] <asac2> fta: so we need to shuffle how we do the plugin/extension stuff a bit
[13:18] <asac2> (and searchplugins)
[13:19] <asac2> like, dont ship searchplugins in the firefox main packages
[13:19] <asac2> because they are shared amongst different versions
[13:19] <micahg> yeah
[13:20] <micahg> we ran into that problem with ff3.5
[13:20] <micahg> it's still an issue AFAIK
[13:21] <micahg> bug 383484
[13:22]  * micahg really needs sleep
[13:22] <asac2> micahg: you are _still_ awake? go to bed man ;)
[13:22] <micahg> yeah
[13:22] <micahg> ttyl
[13:22] <asac2> sleep well
[13:26] <bmhm> still awake?
[13:26] <bmhm> it's 14pm :D
[13:26] <bmhm> err
[13:26] <bmhm> 2 pm
[13:26] <bmhm> ;-)
[14:13] <bmhm> asac, do you have any idea what can be done about global menu which crashes firefox?
[14:14] <bmhm> the mozilla dev team doesn't want to fix anything related to this
[14:23] <asac2> bmhm: micahg is in US
[14:23] <bmhm> I know - haven't you seen my smiley?
[14:23] <asac2> ok ;)
[14:23] <bmhm> hehe
[14:23] <bmhm> You know that I'm european by how I wrote the time: 14 o'clock :-)
[14:24] <asac2> bmhm: do you know how this global menu is done; it wasnt obvious for me on first glance
[14:24] <asac2> e.g. its a gtk-module as it seems
[14:24] <bmhm> it's a module, yes.
[14:24] <bmhm> loaded as panel applet
[14:24] <asac2> does the process itself render the menu?
[14:24] <asac2> or does it use Plug/Socket and the menu gets displayed by some other process?
[14:24] <bmhm> can't tell you right now - i got it disabled and I am about to leave for rowing
[14:25] <asac2> have fun
[14:25] <bmhm> Maybe it's best to file a bug somewhere
[14:25] <bmhm> I can test this for you, if you like and have the time.
[14:25] <asac2> yeah. i guess that should be done in global menu to get first evaluation. does code.google allow to subscribe someone to bugs?
[14:25] <asac2> if so, please file a bug upstream and subscribe me: asac@jwsdot.com
[14:25] <bmhm> yes definitely
[14:26] <asac2> thx
[14:26] <bmhm> there is already a bug, but development stopped
[14:26] <bmhm> they're looking for devs
[14:26] <asac2> stopped == maintainer is unrespnsive?
[14:26] <asac2> yeah. but maybe there is someone who has time to at least give us an idea whats wrong ;)=
[14:27] <bmhm> good point. If that fails, I got one on jabber
[14:27] <asac2> anyway, we should file abug upstream
[14:27] <asac2> even if its just us discussing there for now ;)
[14:27] <bmhm> I will link it to launchpad, if there is some valuable response
[14:28] <bmhm> got to go. see y'all and thanks so far! Very kind of you!
[14:28] <asac2> remember to subscribe me upstream
[14:28] <asac2> i dont read launchpad bugmail so much
[14:28] <bmhm> I did take a note
[14:28] <asac2> too much ;)
[14:28] <asac2> th
[14:28] <asac2> x
[14:28] <asac2> have fun
[14:28] <bmhm> you're welcome
[14:29] <bmhm> c u later
[15:00] <ericjung> is "apt-get install firefox-3.5" a valid means to install firefox 3.5 on jaunty? i did this, restarted firefox, but firefox still shows 3.0.11 in Help->About
[15:33] <andrew_sayers> ericjung: You should have a "Shiretoko" menu item, which runs 3.5.
[15:33] <andrew_sayers> And that fact should be mentioned on HUC :)
[15:57] <ericjung> andrew_sayers: indeed there is one, and i didn't see it. thanks
[15:57] <ericjung> andrew_sayers: but i've already screwed up my /usr/bin/firefox symlinks so now it no longer works
[15:59] <andrew_sayers> ericjung: firefox should link to firefox-3.0, firefox-3.0 should link to ../lib/firefox-3.0.11/firefox.sh.  If it's broken any worse than that, reinstall the firefox package.
[16:00] <andrew_sayers> If it's broken any worse than that, it's a support issue, and needs to go to a different channel.
[16:00] <ericjung> thanks
[16:42] <BUGabundo> fta: seems my tab probs with FF were some change with FF code and TMP
[16:42] <BUGabundo> I've reported it to TMP
[18:01] <bluekuja> asac, hi
[18:02] <bluekuja> asac, any news?
[18:02] <BUGabundo> hey bluekuja
[18:02] <bluekuja> hi :)
[18:02] <bluekuja> how is your weekend going?
[18:06] <BUGabundo> great
[18:06] <BUGabundo> had a great lug yesterday, and today am at friends house chating
[18:06] <BUGabundo> you ?
[18:07] <bluekuja> just went home from the sea
[18:07] <bluekuja> gonna go to gf's house soon
[19:38] <swtaarrs> is there a way to get official 64-bit builds of firefox 3.5 (not shiretoko), either from an apt repository or directly from mozilla?
[19:39] <BUGabundo> swtaarrs: ours are oficial
[19:40] <BUGabundo> why wouldn't they be ?
[19:41] <swtaarrs> BUGabundo: well I meant branded as firefox instead of shiretoko
[19:42] <swtaarrs> since that confuses some extensions and websites
[19:42] <BUGabundo> addons should not be confused by it
[19:42] <BUGabundo> and websites, they are the bugs, if not checking for the proper signature
[19:43] <swtaarrs> I know that the real problem is with those websites, but regardless of all that, is there a way to get a 64-bit build branded as firefox?
[19:44] <BUGabundo> if you are so fanatic about it, get the one from mozilla site
[19:44] <BUGabundo> karmic will have a branded version soon
[19:45] <swtaarrs> I can only find 32 bit versions on the mozilla site, is there someone special I can look?
[19:45] <swtaarrs> somewhere*
[19:46] <BUGabundo> no idea
[19:46] <BUGabundo> I'm just an user
[19:48] <BUGabundo> bbl