[00:02]  * owen1 rebooting with new xubuntu on usb drive. see u soon!
[00:04] <charlie-tca> igsen: go to /usr/share/applications and read the file "volume control" to see what the exec file is.
[00:11] <igsen> charlie-tca: Exec=gnome-volume-control
[00:11] <charlie-tca__> did you install Ubuntu and then Xubuntu-desktop?
[00:11] <owen1> FAIL - after reboot i still see black screen, frozen, with blinking cursur.
[00:12] <owen1> maybe it's the way i formated the partition on my usb drive?
[00:12] <owen1> /dev/sdf2   *       19197       19457     2096482+   b  W95 FAT32
[00:12] <owen1> boot * means it's bootable.
[00:12] <igsen> charlie-tca, I installed Xubuntu from live cd and then installed ubuntu-core.
[00:12] <charlie-tca__> You have xfce4-mixer and gnome-volume control. They should be different items
[00:13] <charlie-tca__> ubuntu-core installed gnome-volume control
[00:13] <charlie-tca__> You could remove that, but I don't think you will be able to without removing a lot of other stuff with it
[00:14] <igsen> Are you saying that I cannot remove Volume Control w/out removing ubuntu-core too?
[00:14] <charlie-tca__> I think that is correct
[00:15] <charlie-tca__> I don't how much it will remove, but I don't believe you can just remove gnome-volume-control
[00:15] <owen1> is there a way to troubleshoot my usb-install issue?
[00:15] <igsen> then, at the very least how can I hide it, or it is even possible?
[00:16] <anom01y> hi, I have two computers with ubuntu installed to both, I need to transfer files from one to the other, how do I set up file sharing ?
[00:16] <charlie-tca__> owen1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingRemovableDevices
[00:16] <owen1> thanks
[00:17] <charlie-tca__> igsen: I can't think of any way to hide it. Maybe someone will have an idea.
[00:17] <charlie-tca__> anom01y: what version of Xubuntu?
[00:18] <SiDi> hide what ?
[00:18] <anom01y> latest
[00:18] <charlie-tca__> Have you tried Applications -> System -> Remote Filesystems?
[00:19] <charlie-tca__> I personally use sshfs for it, here is the docs on that: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS
[00:20] <charlie-tca__> SiDi: igsen has both Xubuntu and ubuntu-core installed. It gives him Applications -> Multimedia -> mixer and Volume control.
[00:20] <owen1> charlie-tca__: i don't have issue with the removable usb. i can access the files there and it's mounted ok. i can't boot from this drive.
[00:20] <charlie-tca__> Volume control is gnome-volume-control. How do you hide it?
[00:21] <igsen> charlie-tca is a lot faster than me, I affirm that.
[00:21] <knome> :D
[00:22] <charlie-tca__> I'm on a roll
[00:23] <charlie-tca__> so, owen1, it is not the drive, but grub maybe. Did you allow the grub to be written to the usb drive or to the primary hard drive?
[00:25] <charlie-tca__> owen1: it detected the drive, right?
[00:26] <charlie-tca__> owen1: and the menus come up? or they don't?
[00:27] <charlie-tca__> owen1: did SiDi come back?
[00:27] <charlie-tca__> no, not owen1, igsen
[00:27] <igsen> charlie-tca, not yet.
[00:27] <charlie-tca__> SiDi: ping
[00:30] <owen1> charlie-tca__: first of all i have a question - i am confused with the terminology. i want to insert this usb drive to any machine and install xubuntu. i am not interested in running xubuntu from usb. when i read on the forum persistent usb install, are they taking about the running it from the usb?
[00:30] <SiDi> charlie-tca__: pong
[00:30] <igsen> charlie-tca & SiDi, I have the option of delete "Volume Control" in "Main Menu" but I don't want to gamble:)
[00:31] <SiDi> if you want to hide menu entries
[00:31] <charlie-tca__> owen1: They are talking about thumbdrives, not usb hard drives
[00:31] <SiDi> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[00:31] <SiDi> See this
[00:32] <charlie-tca__> SiDi: I think he has gnome menus
[00:32] <igsen> SiDi, thanks, I'll definitely will!
[00:32] <owen1> charlie-tca__: ok. now to your questions. i opened the bios and saw my usb drive name there. i raised it to the top and hit F10 (save and exit). after 10 seconds i saw a black screen with blinking cursur. i didn't see the grub.
[00:33] <charlie-tca__> You are trying to boot the live cd from the hard disk drive. I don't think it will work
[00:33] <owen1> charlie-tca__: ok. my options are: buying flash usb or?
[00:33] <charlie-tca__> It can't find anything to boot.
[00:33] <charlie-tca__> burn cd or flash usb drive.
[00:33] <PsynoKhi0> hi
[00:34] <owen1> charlie-tca__: got it. thanks. i'll ask it in ubuntu, just in case.
[00:34] <charlie-tca__> owen1: in the USA, 2 gig flash drive is about 10 dollars
[00:34] <owen1> charlie-tca__: i know.
[00:34] <charlie-tca__> Biggest one I have seen is only 32gb
[00:36] <owen1> and than i'll be able to use unetbootin or usb-creator.
[00:37] <charlie-tca__> yes
[00:37] <charlie-tca__> I would go for the 4
[00:37] <charlie-tca__> GB size, usually only a dollar or two more, but got room for when Xubuntu grows
[00:38] <PsynoKhi0> I've installed ntfs-config to access an ntfs partition, however I don't get any shortcut icon on the desktop... how comes?
[00:38] <PsynoKhi0> mount shows:
[00:38] <PsynoKhi0> /dev/sda5 on /media/NTFS type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096)
[00:38] <PsynoKhi0> and in fstab:
[00:38] <poopuser> Is there a way to make panel transparent?
[00:39] <PsynoKhi0> /dev/sda5 /media/NTFS ntfs-3g defaults,locale=sv_SE.UTF-8 0 0
[00:39] <charlie-tca__> PsynoKhi0: I think you have to create a desktop launcher for it
[00:39] <PsynoKhi0> poopuser: turn Composite Effects on in the advanced tab under Xfce settings, Window Manager
[00:39] <psycho_oreos> poopuser, you have to enable compositor, under window manager tweaks
[00:40] <charlie-tca__> PsynoKhi0: I don't think Xubuntu creates that for you anymore.
[00:40] <owen1> charlie-tca__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick  someone told me it's possible and send me this link.
[00:40] <PsynoKhi0> charlie-tca__: ok
[00:40] <poopuser> Is composite a resource whore or will i be ok on my pretty old hardware (every mb of ram counts)?
[00:40] <charlie-tca__> owen1: Note the "FromUSBStick" , not from USB Hard Disk Drive
[00:40] <charlie-tca__> poopuser: whore
[00:40] <poopuser> ; (
[00:41] <poopuser> Thanks.
[00:41] <charlie-tca__> You are welcome
[00:41] <PsynoKhi0> also, I've read that ntfs-3g doesn't handle file ownership and access rights... that might sound silly but, does that affect disk defragmenting?
[00:41] <charlie-tca__> Ohhh, I gotta go after that one
[00:42] <owen1> charlie-tca__: ok
[00:42] <charlie-tca__> Good luck
[00:42] <psycho_oreos> any of you played with cdemu?
[00:42] <owen1>  coleys > owen1: It works for harddrives, it specifically has an option for harddrives. =o
[00:50] <owen1> ChanServ: the guy told me unetbootin should be fine with hard drives. i am trying it now.
[01:04] <MindVirus> Hey.
[01:05] <MindVirus> I'm running straight Ubuntu right now and I'm thinking about installing xubuntu-desktop and removing ubuntu-desktop. Is this safe? How much work will I have to do to reorganize my panels?
[01:06] <th0r> MindVirus: almost all of the menu will port, but you will have to set up the panels again if you have customized them
[01:06] <MindVirus> th0r, the menu?
[01:07] <th0r> MindVirus: the applications and system menus....
[01:08] <MindVirus> th0r, will all applets for the panels be the same?
[01:09] <th0r> MindVirus: no, but there is a way to use gnome applets if you like. Course, if you remove gnome you won't be able to do that. I would suggest installing xubuntu-desktop first and taking a look...you can have both installed at the same time and run whichever you like
[01:09] <MindVirus> th0r, oh?
[01:09] <MindVirus> Right, through GDM.
[01:09] <MindVirus> Do you recommend I make a new user account?
[01:09] <th0r> MindVirus: right, through gdm
[01:10] <MindVirus> What's nautilus' replacement?
[01:10] <th0r> MindVirus: no...you can use the same user account with no problem, just choose a new Session in the gdm before logging in. You will b eprompted if you want to make the change the default or just try it one time
[01:10] <MindVirus> th0r, right, but it'll save crap in hidden folders that I don't want.
[01:10] <th0r> nautilus is replaced with thunar....which I like a whole lot more
[01:10] <MindVirus> th0r, why?
[01:10] <th0r> MindVirus: it doesn't save that much....the config files don't amount to anything worth worrying about.
[01:11] <MindVirus> th0r, they really irritate me. I'm OCD.
[01:11] <MindVirus> My ~ is pristine.
[01:11] <th0r> MindVirus: as for thunar...I really like being able to define custom actions
[01:11] <MindVirus> And as soon as I figure out a way to see top-level packages (those that are not dependencies), I'm going on a cleaning streak.
[01:11] <MindVirus> th0r, like what?
[01:12] <th0r> MindVirus: for instance, for an iso file in my right click menu is a choice to mount it. It will mount it to ~/iso
[01:12] <MindVirus> I see.
[01:18] <MindVirus> Hmm. Is there anything like Xfce except using Qt?
[01:18] <th0r> MindVirus: you're kidding, right?
[01:19] <MindVirus> No, why would I be kidding? Qt is much more efficient than GTK.
[01:19] <th0r> yeah, right
[01:19] <MindVirus> th0r, I wouldn't be surprised if GNOME had a Qt port.
[01:19] <MindVirus> th0r, well, convince me otherwise.
[01:19] <th0r> nope...I don't play troll
[01:20] <MindVirus> I am not trolling -- I really want to know why GTK is better.
[01:20] <MindVirus> I've done GTK dev and it's a pain.
[01:20] <MindVirus> Furthermore every place I go I hear Qt is leagues ahead.
[01:20] <MindVirus> But I want some balance to this debate.
[01:20] <forces> dont food the troll
[01:20] <MindVirus> ...
[01:20] <MindVirus> What the hell.
[01:20] <jbk`> feed
[01:20] <jbk`> not food
[01:20] <jbk`> :<
[01:20] <forces> s/food/feed/
[01:20] <forces> :D
[01:20] <th0r> MindVirus: install kde....take a good look at qt
[01:21] <MindVirus> th0r, it's ugly.
[01:21] <MindVirus> But that is changeable.
[01:21] <th0r> and it is SO much faster
[01:21] <jbk`> :))))
[01:21] <MindVirus> Please, don't treat me as a troll. I am not here to incite rage.
[01:21] <MindVirus> th0r, I assume it's slower because it's KDE, not because it's Qt.
[01:22] <MindVirus> KDE is an obese monolithic structure.
[01:23] <th0r> MindVirus: well...if QT was lightning fast it would still be meaningless, so long as the only implementation is an obese monolithic structure
[01:24] <MindVirus> Ahh, so KDE's the only implementation.
[01:24] <MindVirus> What a sad thought.
[01:24] <MindVirus> th0r, are you sure KDE's the only one?
[01:24] <th0r> MindVirus: do you know of another?
[01:25] <MindVirus> No -- I asked two or three times; obviously I don't.
[01:26] <PsynoKhi0> dunno which of Qt or GTK is more efficient but xfce's menu sure is getting on my nerves showing whatever it f*cking feels like
[01:26] <th0r> MindVirus: when kde and gnome first started out they were on an equal footing, and quickly kde took the lead. There has to be a reason all that development moved to gnome
[01:26] <PsynoKhi0> brb
[01:26] <MindVirus> th0r, I don't much much history behind either.
[01:27] <MindVirus> Other than K stood for Kool at one point.
[01:27] <MindVirus> Which is one of the reasons I refuse to touch KDE.
[01:27] <th0r> PsynoKhi0 you need to figure out how to make the menu what you want....it wasn't that hard
[01:27] <th0r> MindVirus: that pretty well hits it on the head....all the kiddie developers dominated kde...thus the cartoonish interfaces
[01:28] <th0r> MindVirus: I moved to xfce when enlightenment moved all its efforts to 17, and figure there is a reason xfce went with gtk (they used to have their own libs)
[01:28] <MindVirus> th0r, why GTK?
[01:29] <th0r> MindVirus: don't know...I don't do development any more. But I have used xfce long enoough to trust that team...so I assume there is a good reason
[01:38] <th0r> PsynoKhi0: have you figured out the menus yet?
[01:39] <owen1> knome: if you see charles tell him unetbootin works with external hard drives.
[01:41] <PsynoKhi0> th0r: nope
[01:42] <knome> owen1, i'll forward to him.
[01:42] <knome> owen1, charlie, btw ;)
[01:42] <owen1> cool
[01:42] <PsynoKhi0> th0r: I kept /home after moving from gnome, I expected some bumps but it's getting ridiculous
[01:42] <th0r> PsynoKhi0: all menu entries require a *.desktop file. The defaults are stored in /usr/share/applications. You can add your own in ~/.local/applications
[01:43] <PsynoKhi0> Wine won't create a submenu
[01:43] <th0r> PsynoKhi0: if you want to turn one off (hide it) add the line NoDisplay=true in the .desktop file
[01:43] <th0r> PsynoKhi0: right...you need to create your own for wine entries.
[01:43] <th0r> PsynoKhi0: and stay away from alacarte...it will just confuse the issue....it doesn't work very well
[01:44] <PsynoKhi0> they are there somehow, in a mish mash aptly called "Others"
[01:44] <knome> owen1, sent him mail, he can't miss it now ;)
[01:44] <th0r> PsynoKhi0: you can control which submenu they are in with the Categories line in the .desktop file
[01:45] <PsynoKhi0> heh I don't have any .local/applications
[01:45] <PsynoKhi0> either .local/share
[01:45] <th0r> PsynoKhi0: not unless you create it.
[01:46] <th0r> PsynoKhi0: it is .local/share/applications
[01:46] <th0r> PsynoKhi0: and note that .local is a hidden directory in your home directory, so you need to turn on view hidden files
[01:46] <PsynoKhi0> eeee no .config/menus either
[01:47] <PsynoKhi0> hmm .local/share/applications is there and looks ok
[01:48] <th0r> PsynoKhi0: the .config/menus files are just pointers to the directories that hold the .desktop files
[01:48] <th0r> PsynoKhi0: I have done all my menu work in the .desktop files, didn't need to touch the menus files
[01:50] <PsynoKhi0> just checking, under Properties for the xubuntu menu button, Menu file should point to /etc/xdg/xubuntu/xfce-applications.menu, right?
[01:52] <th0r> PsynoKhi0: I use a custom file
[01:52] <knome> night everybody.
[01:53] <th0r> PsynoKhi0: mine points to ~/.config/menus
[01:53] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[01:53] <PsynoKhi0> knome: cya
[01:54] <PsynoKhi0> th0r: there are a bunch of .desktop files under .local/share/desktop-directories
[01:56] <PsynoKhi0> under .local/share/applications everything follows the structure I was expecting to get
[01:57] <th0r> PsynoKhi0: I have .desktop files in desktop-directories also, but they don't show up in my menu. But remember...I am using a custom menu file
[02:05] <PsynoKhi0> that will be for another day, good night
[02:05] <PsynoKhi0> thanks for the ideas
[02:37] <KittyKatt> What do you guys recommend for DVD ripping?
[04:15] <owen1> i use awesome and not xfce. what app in xfce will do automount for me?
[04:49] <Ertan> hi everyone
[04:51] <Ertan> id like to ask for some help if anyone online
[04:52] <owen1> always
[04:52] <Ertan> hi owen1
[04:53] <Ertan> i cant update package manager
[04:53] <Ertan> do u know why?
[05:04] <owen1> what error do u get
[05:07] <Ertan> link is not found
[05:07] <owen1> r u in terminal or synaptic?
[05:08] <Ertan> synaptic
[05:08] <owen1> let's try it from terminal, so it will be easier to figure it out. open your terminal
[05:08] <Ertan> ok
[05:08] <Ertan> yep did it
[05:09] <owen1> type: sudo aptitude update
[05:09] <owen1> and tell me if u don't understand what i am saying
[05:10] <Ertan> 404 not found
[05:10] <Ertan> i think the links r changed
[05:10] <owen1> maybe something in your sources.list is weird. let's open this file. do u know where it is?
[05:11] <Ertan> i just begin linux, im very noob for linux
[05:11] <owen1> great!
[05:11] <Ertan> no idea about where it is :]
[05:12] <owen1> it will be a fun ride for you.
[05:12] <Ertan> :]
[05:12] <Ertan> thx a lot for helping
[05:13] <owen1> there is a file on ubuntu/debian/xubuntu that specify where get updates about the applications that installed on your machine (packages).
[05:13] <owen1> everything in linux (almost) is simple text files.
[05:13] <owen1> type:
[05:13] <owen1> cd /etc/apt
[05:13] <owen1> cd = change directory
[05:13] <Ertan> yep did it
[05:14] <owen1> great. type ls
[05:14] <owen1> (list files)
[05:14] <Ertan> yep
[05:14] <owen1> do u see sources.list?
[05:14] <Ertan> source.list
[05:14] <owen1> yes
[05:14] <Ertan> and source.list d
[05:14] <owen1> ok.
[05:14] <owen1> i'll show u the most important application in the world - vim
[05:15] <owen1> vim is a text editor
[05:15] <owen1> but some using it also as development environment.
[05:15] <Ertan> :] great
[05:15] <owen1> (like me)
[05:15] <owen1> let's open our sources.list with vim.
[05:15] <owen1> type:
[05:15] <owen1> sudo vim sources.list
[05:15] <owen1> sudo=super user
[05:16] <Ertan> yep
[05:16] <Ertan> the terminal is cleared now
[05:16] <owen1> everything u are editing outside of your home folder should be done by super user.
[05:16] <owen1> do u see the file?
[05:16] <Ertan> as a root?
[05:16] <Ertan> i see something like
[05:16] <Ertan> -
[05:16] <Ertan> -
[05:16] <Ertan> -
[05:16] <owen1> yes.
[05:17] <owen1> interesting.
[05:17] <Ertan> and right corner 0.0-1
[05:17] <owen1> let's close it the file. maybe u opened the wrong file. type:
[05:17] <owen1> :w
[05:18] <owen1> in vim there are two 'modes'. insert mode and command mode.
[05:18] <owen1> make sure u are in command mode before typing :w  (hit esc)
[05:18] <Ertan> i did control z
[05:18] <Ertan> coz couldnt close it :]
[05:19] <owen1> what did ctrl+z did?
[05:19] <owen1> sorry
[05:19] <owen1> :q
[05:19] <owen1> not :w
[05:19] <owen1> (quit) will close a file
[05:19] <owen1> :w will try to save it
[05:19] <Ertan> back to command prompt
[05:19] <owen1> great
[05:20] <owen1> now type sudo vim and wait.
[05:20] <owen1> start typing 'sour'
[05:20] <owen1> and hit tab
[05:20] <Ertan> command not found
[05:20] <Ertan> command not found for sudo wim
[05:20] <owen1> 'sudo vim sour'  and tab
[05:21] <owen1> not wim
[05:21] <owen1> tab should complete the missing letters for you.
[05:21] <Ertan> yep
[05:21] <owen1> i want to make sure u open the correct file.
[05:21] <owen1> did u open the file?
[05:21] <Ertan> yep
[05:22] <owen1> is it empty?
[05:22] <Ertan> there is some logs
[05:22] <Ertan> and information
[05:22] <owen1> it's probably deb ..............
[05:22] <owen1> a lot of lines start with deb?
[05:22] <Ertan> i use ubuntu
[05:22] <owen1> me too
[05:23] <Ertan> there is nothing about deb
[05:23] <owen1> u don't see lines like: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty main restricted
[05:23] <Ertan> no i dont
[05:24] <owen1> ok, paste the content of this file to a website:
[05:24] <owen1> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/
[05:24] <Ertan> now im in same place as text editor
[05:24] <Ertan> -
[05:24] <Ertan> -
[05:24] <Ertan> -
[05:25] <owen1> and when u'r done, send me the link.
[05:25] <owen1> so i can take a look
[05:26] <Ertan> i added the link in text editor
[05:26] <owen1> ?
[05:26] <owen1> i want u to copy the content of the file to the website
[05:26] <owen1> and send me the link
[05:26] <owen1> so i'll take a look
[05:27] <Ertan> after sudo vim source
[05:28] <owen1> sudo vim sources.list
[05:28] <Ertan> i entered somewhere like root information
[05:28] <Ertan> and some more things
[05:28] <owen1> more things?
[05:28] <owen1> like what?
[05:28] <Ertan> and it says me press enter to continue
[05:28] <owen1> i want to see the content of this file
[05:29] <owen1> i want u to copy all of it (by marking with the mouste)
[05:29] <owen1> and pasting to the website (middle click will paste)
[05:30] <owen1> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d501dbe71  i pasted mine
[05:30] <Ertan> yep just a sec
[05:30] <owen1> u should have similar file
[05:32] <Ertan> m23c42012
[05:32] <Ertan> is mine
[05:32] <owen1> paste the whole url
[05:32] <owen1> try to make it easy for me..
[05:32] <Ertan> http:ubuntu.pastebin.com/m23c42-12
[05:32] <Ertan> http:ubuntu.pastebin.com/m23c42012
[05:33] <owen1> so i can simply click
[05:33] <Ertan> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m23c42012
[05:33] <owen1> (-:
[05:33] <Ertan> iim using vmware on mac
[05:33] <owen1> i am making u a good citizen here
[05:33] <Ertan> so i cant copy paste lol
[05:33] <Ertan> :P
[05:33] <Ertan> thx a lot sir
[05:34] <owen1> ok. vim is backing up files you are working on. source.swp is a backup file.
[05:34] <owen1> when u see this question, u should have the option for delete.
[05:34] <owen1> hit d
[05:35] <owen1> and than it will show u sources.list
[05:35] <owen1> all u r doing is telling vim to delete this annoying file
[05:35] <Ertan> i hit d
[05:36] <owen1> ok. and?
[05:36] <Ertan> and im in
[05:36] <Ertan> -
[05:36] <Ertan> -
[05:36] <Ertan> -
[05:36] <Ertan> again
[05:36] <owen1> do u see the file?
[05:36] <Ertan> terminal cleared
[05:36] <maduser> owen1: is he running a gui? a gui edditor might be easier
[05:36] <owen1> empty?
[05:36] <Ertan> no nothing
[05:36] <Ertan> yea
[05:36] <owen1> his sources.list is empty
[05:37] <owen1> and he get 404 when trying to update
[05:37] <Ertan> yea
[05:37] <owen1> maduser: i was thinking of telling him to add the correct repositories in this file.
[05:39] <maduser> he can acess the web
[05:39] <owen1> Ertan: can u access the web from this machine?
[05:39] <maduser> are there defult sources.list files on the web, he can copy one of those and try to update
[05:39] <owen1> true
[05:41] <owen1> Ertan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=997890
[05:42] <owen1> copy paste it to your file. hit 'esc' and :w
[05:42] <owen1> tell me if u see a message that the file was saved
[05:42] <maduser> dude let him use mouse pad
[05:43] <owen1> maduser: i thought it will great to teach him to use vim
[05:43] <maduser> vim is not something to be learned over irc
[05:44] <maduser> ah well nm
[05:51] <phpfreaks_user65> i think i got dc
[05:51] <owen1> switch to ruby!
[05:51] <phpfreaks_user65> sorry for that
[05:52] <phpfreaks_user65> im still in same text file
[05:52] <owen1> is there good support for 2 monitors in xubuntu?
[05:53] <owen1> did u see the link i sent - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=997890
[05:54] <owen1> the first answer has a complete file. copy it from there.
[05:54] <_Pete_> owen1: at least if you use nvidia-card
[05:54] <owen1> great, i ho
[05:54] <owen1> do
[05:55] <phpfreaks_user65> owen1 i got dc
[05:56] <owen1> sure
[05:56] <owen1> copy paste the content from the site to your file.
[05:56] <ertan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=997890 ???
[05:57] <owen1> yes
[05:57] <owen1> the first answer there
[05:57] <owen1> copy it into your file
[05:57] <ertan> ok
[05:57] <owen1> it tells ubuntu where to look for updates.
[05:58] <owen1> and whenever an update will be available, u'll be able to update your machine.
[05:58] <owen1> it's the ubuntu repositories.
[05:58] <owen1> there are 60,000 packages available for us.
[05:59] <ertan> ok im doing now
[05:59] <owen1> when u'r done pasting. hit esc
[05:59] <owen1> and :w
[05:59] <owen1> and tell me if u see confirmation that it was saved
[06:01] <ertan> its written now
[06:01] <ertan> now ill try to update again
[06:02] <ertan> yep now it updates
[06:02] <maduser> hey it worked
[06:02] <owen1> !!
[06:02] <owen1> linux is awesome
[06:02] <ertan> i think u should see that
[06:02] <owen1> and u learned to use vim
[06:03] <ertan> im pasting it
[06:03] <maduser> what?
[06:05] <ertan> it doesnt let me paste it again
[06:05] <ertan> spam filter
[06:06] <ertan> after saving the changes i hit sudo aptitude update
[06:06] <ertan> and same 404 not found problem
[06:06] <ertan> should i restart ubunttu?
[06:07] <maduser> so apt updated and now it won't?
[06:07] <ertan> it couldnt update
[06:07] <owen1> sudo aptitude update
[06:08] <ertan> 404 not found http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy-updates/main sources
[06:08] <ertan> many error like this
[06:10] <owen1> if u type ping www.google.com it's ok?
[06:10] <ertan> yep i got a connection
[06:11] <ertan> just the update links r problem
[06:11] <ertan> :]
[06:11] <owen1> try asking it in #ubuntu. there are 1500 people there. someone must know.
[06:11] <owen1> and u don't need to ask permission to ask.
[06:11] <owen1> simply ask your question
[06:12] <owen1> say u get 404 not found .... on 'sudo aptitude update'
[06:13] <ertan> alrite thx a lot owen1 and maduser
[06:13] <ertan> u guys very helpful persons..
[06:13] <owen1> anytime
[06:14] <owen1> and come back to tell us what solves it
[06:14] <ertan> :]
[06:14] <owen1> we were novices too
[06:14] <ertan> ok
[06:14] <ertan> the problem with the site http://us.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:14] <ertan> it doesnt connect there
[06:14] <n2diy> anybody have backuppc working?
[06:15] <ertan> as i see in terminal
[06:15] <owen1> ertan: that's what they told u?
[06:16] <ertan> nothing yet
[06:16] <_Pete_> ertan: but arent you using 9.04 ubuntu?
[06:16] <ertan> ill check
[06:17] <ertan> 6.10
[06:17] <_Pete_> oh right
[06:17] <owen1> 6.10 ??
[06:17] <ertan> yea
[06:17] <_Pete_> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) was released on October 26, 2006 and is no longer supported. It is recommended to upgrade to the current version of Ubuntu.
[06:17] <_Pete_> no wonder why the repos are not working
[06:17] <ertan> :]
[06:18] <ertan> thats all
[06:18] <ertan> sorry owen1
[06:18] <owen1> ertan: where did u get this old version?
[06:19] <ertan> i bought a book for learning linux
[06:19] <ertan> it was with this cd
[06:19] <owen1> ertan: ok. go to xubuntu or ubuntu
[06:19] <owen1> and get the latest one - 9.04
[06:19] <ertan> ok
[06:19] <owen1> (april 09)
[06:19] <owen1> xubuntu is faster
[06:19] <owen1> esp on laptops
[06:20] <maduser> book google has more then you need and its free
[06:21] <ertan> im downloading now ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386
[06:22] <owen1> awesome
[06:22] <n2diy> why is xubuntu "esp. faster on laptops"?
[06:22] <owen1> n2diy: xubuntu uses lightweight apps, compare to ubuntu
[06:23] <ertan> im using mac os x and its laptop
[06:23] <ertan> but im downloading desktop version
[06:23] <n2diy> owen1: yes, wouldn't that make it faster period, not just on laptops?
[06:23] <ertan> is that could be a problem?
[06:23] <owen1> n2diy: true
[06:24] <_Pete_> ertan: no
[06:24] <ertan> ok great
[06:24] <_Pete_> ertan: I guess you have some dualcore mac? fast enough even with emulator
[06:24] <ertan> yea os x and linux can work together
[06:25] <n2diy> anybody have backuppc working?
[06:25] <ertan> without getting any slower
[06:25] <maduser> oh god, I wish it was still on
[07:18] <ertan> anyone know about airmon-ng? i have a some questions.
[10:13] <owen1> is there a key that can switch to my second monitor? i used to do it with window+shift+right/left (with awesome).
[11:27] <owen1> i get "Failed to contact the GConf daemon; exiting." when running gnome-terminal
[11:27] <owen1> any clues?
[11:27] <owen1> (and i have gconf2)
[11:30] <Besogon> Has xfce gconf???
[11:31] <Besogon> That is used only by gnome
[11:35] <owen1> Besogon: so i can't use gnome-terminal with xubuntu?
[11:37] <Besogon> Of couse you can.
[11:37] <owen1> how?
[11:38] <owen1> i guess i didn't understand your previous reply: Has xfce gconf???
[11:38] <Besogon> Doesn't gnome-terminal work for you?
[11:38] <Besogon> Has xfce got gconf???
[11:39] <Besogon> Is that right?
[11:39] <owen1> i get "Failed to contact the GConf daemon; exiting." when i try to run it.
[11:39] <owen1> i don't know what u mean by gconf???
[11:40] <Besogon> gconf-editor
[11:40] <owen1> Besogon:ok, installing it
[11:41] <owen1> got the same error
[11:42] <Besogon> what? Dont install it. That is only for GNOME. Do you have Gnome anf Xfce on your computer?
[11:42] <owen1> Besogon: no. i have xfce.
[11:43] <owen1> no gnome.
[11:44] <Besogon> It seems you cant work with gnome-terminal, at once if you have Gnome with Xfce you can use GNOME-TERMINAL. Because I can use that
[11:45] <owen1> ok. thanks
[11:51] <poopuser> Good morning. How can i enable 'usb' in 'virtual box'?
[11:55] <Besogon> poopuser, I guess your quastion more fits to chanel about "virtual box"? Any way I dont know
[11:56] <poopuser> In my opinion it fits the same in both channels but let's not discuss it. Thx for support.
[13:13] <geremy_> hi, why all pictures a set to be desktop background are black and white, no colors?
[13:14] <Besogon> strange
[13:16] <Besogon> What have you done with xfce?
[13:21] <poopuser> Is there a way to store output of 'top' command?
[13:29] <geremy_> I do nothing with xfce i just change theme but nothing special.
[13:29] <geremy_> Each color picture is at desktop background suddenly black and white.
[13:29] <Besogon> poopuser, why are you so interesting in it?
[13:30] <poopuser> Large ram usage.
[13:33] <Besogon> poopuser, I know
[13:33] <Besogon> poopuser, ps -ejH > file
[13:36] <Besogon> geremy_, Background pickture is joining background image and backgraund colour
[13:37] <Besogon> geremy_, Change background colour and (may be) desktop backgraund will change
[13:39] <geremy_> i try
[13:40] <poopuser> Besogon, 'ps -ejH' i don't see the memore usage part.
[13:52] <geremy_> Besogon, no change when i set background color or even set to transparent
[13:54] <geremy_> %C4
[13:55] <geremy_> k
[16:28] <Laibsch> Anybody here using Xubuntu Karmic?
[16:29] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:29] <Laibsch> The window manager does not start for me and I wonder if it is a general problem
[16:29] <Laibsch> Gnome runs fine
[16:30] <charlie-tca> When you login, you select the user, then select the session down at the bottom of the gdm screen. If you don't select Xfce Session, it defaults to gnome everytime you login
[16:32] <Laibsch> that is not the problem
[16:32] <Laibsch> I get no window manager in an XFCE session
[16:32] <charlie-tca> fresh install or upgrade?
[16:32] <charlie-tca> no
[16:33] <Laibsch> jaunty upgrade
[16:33] <charlie-tca> you are probably running the 31-2 kernel then, and you are correct. GDM changes have screwed things up pretty bad.
[16:33] <Laibsch> charlie-tca: you're not affected, then?  That is the first thing I wanted to make sure.
[16:34] <Laibsch> No, the 31-2 kernel does not even boot for me
[16:34] <Laibsch> I'm still running the Jaunty kernel
[16:34] <charlie-tca> I had a couple of days of it. I did a fresh install and got it working.
[16:34] <Laibsch> the kernel would most likely not bring down the WM, either
[16:34] <charlie-tca> I also had issues with nvidia 180 driver with karmic
[16:34] <Laibsch> I'm not going to do a fresh install
[16:34] <Laibsch> If necessary, I'll use Gnome until XFCE becomes usable again
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Mine is running fine, but I have to use the 30-10 kernel
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that is also an option
[16:35] <charlie-tca> I keep hoping everyday. The devs are aware of, and might be tired of me pestering them about it
[16:35] <Laibsch> are you reporting bugs?
[16:35] <charlie-tca> of course
[16:35] <Laibsch> cool
[16:36] <Laibsch> do you have VT?
[16:36] <charlie-tca> Also brought it up in the weekly karmic release team meeting
[16:36] <charlie-tca> VT?
[16:36] <Laibsch> virtual terminals
[16:36] <Laibsch> used to be on Ctrl+Alt+F1
[16:36] <Laibsch> to F6
[16:36] <Laibsch> X seems to be on F1 now
[16:37] <Laibsch> not F7 as previously
[16:37] <Laibsch> I have no VT at all, at least not for login
[16:37] <charlie-tca> yes, I have them. Under the latest kernel and xorg, what used to be on F7 is supposed to move to F1
[16:37] <Laibsch> Why?
[16:37] <Laibsch> Is that something Ubuntu specific?
[16:38] <charlie-tca> Something to do with the new login and boot applications
[16:38] <Laibsch> OK
[16:38] <Laibsch> Will be Ubuntu specific?
[16:38] <charlie-tca> I think it is, since we are the ones switching from grub menu and GDM
[16:38] <Laibsch> Will it be Ubuntu specific?
[16:38] <charlie-tca> I think so
[16:38] <Laibsch> OK
[16:38] <charlie-tca> At least to start off
[16:38] <Laibsch> Ubuntu will be ahead of Debian in that regard?
[16:39]  * Laibsch doesn't like the new GDM login
[16:39] <charlie-tca> I saw something that said they are now fully out of gdm in Ubuntu, and upstart is now being used ( I think it is upstart)
[16:39] <charlie-tca> I suspect we will be ahead or behind, depending on how it works out
[16:39] <charlie-tca> :-)
[16:40] <charlie-tca> That new login is a pain when you have to select xfce session every time
[16:41] <Laibsch> I don't have to
[16:42] <Laibsch> The default WE is saved per user, I think
[16:43] <charlie-tca> Hasn't been on the latest images. I installed them, and have to pick the session each time
[16:43] <charlie-tca> and to top it off, the alternate image installation won't give me xfce on the first login.
[16:44] <charlie-tca> It will only use it the second time and later
[16:44] <Laibsch> FF3.5 will be default for the released karmic?
[16:45] <charlie-tca> I believe that is the goal right now
[16:45] <Laibsch> OK
[16:45] <charlie-tca> Oh, is totem working for you?
[16:45] <charlie-tca> I show gnumeric, screensaver, totem, gdm, and the login window options broken
[16:46] <Laibsch> Well, as far as login is concerned, karmic is my main system.  I don't have Jaunty anymore.  And XFCE is selected for my main user.  It could be that I set XFCE to be the default WE for my whole computer somewhere, don't remember.
[16:46] <poopuser> Anybody knows how to setup microphone ? The problem is i heare
[16:46] <charlie-tca> If you used autologin before the new gdm was pushed out, you are stuck with it. If you did not have it set up, you can't do it now.
[16:46] <Laibsch> I don't use either gnumeric or totem
[16:46] <Laibsch> I don't use autologin
[16:46] <Laibsch> indeed
[16:46] <poopuser> myself all the time yest i don't knew how to record.
[16:47] <poopuser> *yet
[16:47] <charlie-tca> poopuser: I don't use one, myself.
[16:49] <poopuser> Ok i am going to use something more intuitive for me - shower. Be back in 30 min.
[16:51] <charlie-tca> ;-)
[16:51] <charlie-tca> Laibsch: also, I can not get the new kernel (.31.2-generic) to recognize a blank cd
[16:52] <Laibsch> My Thinkpad does not even have CD
[16:52] <Laibsch> so, I don't bother ;-)
[16:52] <charlie-tca> lucky you
[16:53] <Laibsch> charlie-tca: give me bug numbers and I can gladly confirm them for yo
[16:53] <Laibsch> u
[16:53] <Laibsch> I do have totem installed, btw
[16:53] <Laibsch> I just never really use it
[16:53] <charlie-tca> bug 397892
[16:54] <Laibsch> This plus icon on FF3.5 looks butt-ugly
[16:54] <Laibsch> I don't really use a screensaver
[16:55] <charlie-tca> It never activates, so that is a good thing for you
[16:55] <Laibsch> This is under Gnome, right?
[16:55] <charlie-tca> no
[16:55] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu with Xfce
[16:55] <Laibsch> Well, I can only test under Gnome for the moment
[16:55] <charlie-tca> but it uses the gnome-screensaver
[16:56] <Laibsch> Single-tasking isn't really so modern anymore ;-)
[16:56] <charlie-tca> Test it and see if it activates in gnome
[16:56] <Laibsch> sure
[16:56] <charlie-tca> You just need a time greater than 2 minutes
[16:56] <Laibsch> is there a command to explicitly activated it?
[16:56] <Laibsch> s/d//
[16:56] <charlie-tca> I don't it if there is one
[16:57] <Laibsch> "gnome-screensaver-command -a"
[16:57] <Laibsch> try that
[16:57] <Laibsch> works fine here
[16:58] <charlie-tca> that works. But the timed activation doesn't work
[16:59] <Laibsch> I'll try to keep an eye on it
[17:00] <Laibsch> Do you have any other bugs that don't mean I can't use the computer for a couple of minutes?
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Thanks. The rest are things you don't use/have and will be harder to confirm
[17:00] <Laibsch> I can try totem
[17:00] <charlie-tca> not that I have handy
[17:00] <Laibsch> what's wrong witht that?
[17:01] <charlie-tca> go to /usr/share/sounds/purple and double-click a .wav file.
[17:01] <Laibsch> that won't necessarily bring up totem
[17:01] <Laibsch> which is not my default player
[17:01] <Laibsch> But I understood you
[17:02] <charlie-tca> maybe right click and pick totem, then. But don't let it set it as default if you aren't using it
[17:02] <charlie-tca> totem should be "movie player", right/
[17:02] <charlie-tca> ?
[17:02] <Laibsch> "totem /usr/share/sounds/purple/login.wav" works just fine
[17:03] <Laibsch> Let's stick to the command-line when possible
[17:03] <Laibsch> that way we both know what is being tested
[17:03] <charlie-tca> well, crap. Then it is something in Xubuntu again
[17:03] <charlie-tca> okay
[17:03] <Laibsch> Try that for yourself, please
[17:03] <Laibsch> from the command line
[17:03] <Laibsch> That is valuable information if it works in some circumstances and not in others
[17:03] <charlie-tca> Internal GStreamer error: pad problem.  Please file a bug at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=GStreamer
[17:04] <charlie-tca> same error every time
[17:04] <Laibsch> OK
[17:04] <Laibsch> Interesting
[17:04] <Laibsch> Make a note of that in your bug report
[17:04] <Laibsch> btw, what number?
[17:04] <charlie-tca> I don't have the number. The person filing it never came back
[17:04] <Laibsch> 329252?
[17:05] <Laibsch> but you were able to confirm it?
[17:05] <charlie-tca> Yes, I confirmed for him, and he was going file the report
[17:05] <charlie-tca> That isn't it. I don't use pulse audio at all
[17:06] <Laibsch> I'll close that bug report
[17:06] <charlie-tca> Please do. I seem to be behind on those
[17:07] <Laibsch> What I do to keep track is to set to incomplete (which you did) and assign to myself for the time being.
[17:07] <Laibsch> I also assign to myself when closing
[17:08] <charlie-tca> Should not be assigning yourself according to the bug triage procedures. That should only be used by the individual coding the changes.
[17:09] <Laibsch> That used to be the recommended procedure
[17:09] <Laibsch> Maybe it changed
[17:09] <Laibsch> If it did, I think that is stupid
[17:09] <Laibsch> and I don't do stupid things ;-)
[17:09] <Laibsch> When I'm the one triaging the bug, I'm in charge
[17:09] <charlie-tca> Yeah, changed in the last 6 months. I understand that one ;-)
[17:09] <Laibsch> Thus, it's correct that the bug is assigned to me
[17:10] <charlie-tca> But I have over 300 new/incomplete at any given time
[17:10] <Laibsch> Assignments change
[17:10] <Laibsch> IMHO, that is too much
[17:10] <Laibsch> I close out mine in a month's time
[17:10] <charlie-tca> The new procedure is to just subscribe to it. Then it will appear when you look at your launchpad page
[17:10] <Laibsch> If you amass that many in a month, kudos
[17:10] <Laibsch> But I guess, they just linger, which is bad
[17:11] <Laibsch> I'll stick to the old routine
[17:11] <Laibsch> which makes much more sense
[17:11] <charlie-tca> Not necessarily in a month, but over time. Do 10 a day, it builds up fast
[17:11] <Laibsch> The question is, do you keep track of closing the ones you're working on?
[17:12] <charlie-tca> As much as possible
[17:12] <Laibsch> Systematic or erratic?
[17:12] <charlie-tca> I get an email every time one is touched by anyone, so it is pretty systematic
[17:12] <Laibsch> Sorry, I disagree
[17:13] <Laibsch> The ones you don't get an email are interesting
[17:13] <Laibsch> to close as invalid
[17:13] <Laibsch> the other ones, you receive a mail anyway
[17:13] <charlie-tca> Yes, that's why we review all of our subscribed bugs monthly, right
[17:13] <Laibsch> Just MHO
[17:13] <Laibsch> I'd go insane if I did
[17:13] <Laibsch> I review the bugs I'm assigned to
[17:14] <Laibsch> Bugs I report and that I have an interest in (cc) get infrequent and unsystematic review and that is OK
[17:14] <Laibsch> I'm not the the one fixing them, no need to regularly touch them
[17:14] <Laibsch> if nobody else did
[17:15] <charlie-tca> Correct. Once they are confirmed or triaged, I am no longer in the loop to do anything with them
[17:16] <Laibsch> well, what I'm saying is that your process does not distinguish between stuff you have an interest in and those you touched purely for triaging purpose
[17:16] <Laibsch> If I did not have that, I'd go insane
[17:17] <Laibsch> You have 500 bugs, I have 300.  both is too much really, but I make an effort to keep that number down as low as possible.
[17:17] <charlie-tca> The ones I reported I also get an email for if anyone else touches it. I also keep track manually of them
[17:17] <Laibsch> well, I guess there are different ways to skin the cat ;-)
[17:17] <Laibsch> I'd just go insane subscribing to stuff I don't really care about
[17:18] <charlie-tca> My 500 are not all things I need to watch. Launchpad will subscribe you automatically if you change the status of the bug.
[17:18] <Laibsch> well, then how do you distinguish?
[17:18] <Laibsch> btw, it doesn't do that for me
[17:18] <Laibsch> And I'd be loudly complaining if it did
[17:19] <charlie-tca> I don't distinguish other than the ones I manually track
[17:27] <Laibsch> the reason I don't have VT seems to be that I don't run the karmic kernel
[17:28] <charlie-tca> Huh? Shouldn't matter which kernel it is, should it?
[17:32] <Laibsch> that is what I would think
[17:32] <Laibsch> but apparently, the virtual terminals are now provided by some kernel code
[17:32] <Laibsch> I'm still reading up on it
[17:32] <Laibsch> http://www.workswithu.com/2009/02/22/ubuntu-910-better-or-just-better-looking/
[17:32] <Laibsch> "taking advantage of kernel mode setting to make the boot process and virtual terminals shinier and snappier"
[17:34] <charlie-tca> But if you use Jaunty, you still have a kernel and should still have VT's
[17:35] <Laibsch> Look a few lines above were I said I don't have Jaunty anymore
[17:35] <charlie-tca> Any version of karmic has to have a kernel or it won't run at all
[17:35] <Laibsch> except for a few left-over packages
[17:35] <Laibsch> including two kernels (jaunty and hardy)
[17:36] <Laibsch> Now where did I say I don't have any kernel at all?
[17:36] <Laibsch> How would I boot?
[17:37] <charlie-tca> Must have misunderstood something here.
[18:17] <PsynoKhi0> hi
[18:27] <spasticteapot> Does anyone know of a program that would let me resize images from Thunar?
[18:27] <spasticteapot> Or even a good image resizing program that wouldn't require me to download half of GNOME?
[18:29] <charlie-tca> imagemagik works well
[18:30] <charlie-tca> oh, but works from the command line
[18:31] <charlie-tca> It will also convert images to other formats
[18:34] <spasticteapot> I'd prefer something that works from a GUI.
[18:34] <spasticteapot> Oh, well.
[18:35] <spasticteapot> New question: How do I set a file executable?
[18:36] <charlie-tca> From the terminal, chmod
[18:36] <spasticteapot> No way to do it through the GUI?
[18:37] <spasticteapot> Oh, well.
[18:37] <charlie-tca> I don't know of any
[18:37] <spasticteapot> I should probably just get used to using the command line anyway.
[18:37] <charlie-tca> Looking in thunar, I only see ability to set it read and write
[18:46] <spasticteapot> chmod 777 is the command for allowing all users to execute a file, right?
[18:47] <th0r> spasticteapot: no....755 will allow all users to execute without giving them permission to write over the file
[18:48] <spasticteapot> Ah.
[18:48] <spasticteapot> Should have worked anyway....
[18:49] <th0r> spasticteapot: 777 should have worked, but would not be the safe way to do it.
[21:14] <slow-motion> hi
[21:15] <SiDi> hi
[21:20] <SiDi> !info empathy
[21:20] <SiDi> !info empathy karmic
[22:15] <Kangarooo> hello what you think about implementing guest button in shutdown menu? https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+bug/206924
[22:19] <SiDi> Kangarooo: i think that i am disappointed that the Ubuntu devs dont wanna hear of it in GDM as it would be much much more simple
[22:21] <SiDi> Kangarooo: its possible but it requires someone to do it
[22:24] <Kangarooo> ok so ill write that also and what knowledge is needed to do that? maybe also xfce project needs to be put in this bug report as affected to get xfce developers attention and more information on how and who could do that?
[22:27] <Kangarooo> its session manager that shutdown menu window witch pops up on clicking top right button Quit yes?
[22:29] <SiDi> The XFCE devs will not do thi for you
[22:29] <SiDi> It's an Ubuntu specific feature as far as i know
[22:36] <Kangarooo> ok SiDi ill fill this bug with this info from my account and add more affected groups.. maybe some coders group? as I know there is bash scripters group.. what group could do this?
[22:36] <SiDi> Kangarooo: dont do this please
[22:37] <Kangarooo> with my name
[22:37] <SiDi> Either you fill a feature request and leave it as it is for now, or you implement it
[22:37] <SiDi> but dont add arbitrary groups to ask them to implement it instead of you or the xubuntu developers
[22:43] <Kangarooo> yes :) I just don't know how to code but I could find someone who could code this feature. actually if correct group would be added then they could implement it. If this guest button won't be implemented this could be a reason for linux newbie to switch from xubuntu to ubuntu couse in ubuntu there is this guest button. well else could be then done now? maybe developer in one if already affected groups right now sleeps and tomorrow will give answer.. the
[22:53] <SiDi> Kangarooo: its not only about coding
[22:53] <SiDi> you also have to maintain it
[22:53] <SiDi> that's why you need a proper developer
[23:00] <SiDi> Kangarooo: why did you link it to GDM and gnome-shutdown ?
[23:01] <SiDi> 1) i told you the GDM developers dont want it to be in GDM, since i was told 'No' when i asked so.  2) we dont use gnome-shutdown at all in Xubuntu and gnome-shutdown has nothing to do with this.
[23:05] <Kangarooo> so GDM developers could be changing their mind and when I searched GDM in Also Affect project searchbox it showed shutdown and shutdown menu in ubuntu has guest button.. and as sometimes launchpad this search box give too much wrong results this one was close to what has to do something with guest button. shutdown menu..