[00:02] * owen1 rebooting with new xubuntu on usb drive. see u soon! [00:04] igsen: go to /usr/share/applications and read the file "volume control" to see what the exec file is. [00:11] charlie-tca: Exec=gnome-volume-control [00:11] did you install Ubuntu and then Xubuntu-desktop? [00:11] FAIL - after reboot i still see black screen, frozen, with blinking cursur. [00:12] maybe it's the way i formated the partition on my usb drive? [00:12] /dev/sdf2 * 19197 19457 2096482+ b W95 FAT32 [00:12] boot * means it's bootable. [00:12] charlie-tca, I installed Xubuntu from live cd and then installed ubuntu-core. [00:12] You have xfce4-mixer and gnome-volume control. They should be different items [00:13] ubuntu-core installed gnome-volume control [00:13] You could remove that, but I don't think you will be able to without removing a lot of other stuff with it [00:14] Are you saying that I cannot remove Volume Control w/out removing ubuntu-core too? [00:14] I think that is correct [00:15] I don't how much it will remove, but I don't believe you can just remove gnome-volume-control [00:15] is there a way to troubleshoot my usb-install issue? [00:15] then, at the very least how can I hide it, or it is even possible? [00:16] hi, I have two computers with ubuntu installed to both, I need to transfer files from one to the other, how do I set up file sharing ? [00:16] owen1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingRemovableDevices [00:16] thanks [00:17] igsen: I can't think of any way to hide it. Maybe someone will have an idea. [00:17] anom01y: what version of Xubuntu? [00:18] hide what ? [00:18] latest [00:18] Have you tried Applications -> System -> Remote Filesystems? [00:19] I personally use sshfs for it, here is the docs on that: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS [00:20] SiDi: igsen has both Xubuntu and ubuntu-core installed. It gives him Applications -> Multimedia -> mixer and Volume control. [00:20] charlie-tca__: i don't have issue with the removable usb. i can access the files there and it's mounted ok. i can't boot from this drive. [00:20] Volume control is gnome-volume-control. How do you hide it? [00:21] charlie-tca is a lot faster than me, I affirm that. [00:21] :D [00:22] I'm on a roll [00:23] so, owen1, it is not the drive, but grub maybe. Did you allow the grub to be written to the usb drive or to the primary hard drive? [00:25] owen1: it detected the drive, right? [00:26] owen1: and the menus come up? or they don't? [00:27] owen1: did SiDi come back? [00:27] no, not owen1, igsen [00:27] charlie-tca, not yet. [00:27] SiDi: ping [00:30] charlie-tca__: first of all i have a question - i am confused with the terminology. i want to insert this usb drive to any machine and install xubuntu. i am not interested in running xubuntu from usb. when i read on the forum persistent usb install, are they taking about the running it from the usb? [00:30] charlie-tca__: pong [00:30] charlie-tca & SiDi, I have the option of delete "Volume Control" in "Main Menu" but I don't want to gamble:) [00:31] if you want to hide menu entries [00:31] owen1: They are talking about thumbdrives, not usb hard drives [00:31] http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu [00:31] See this [00:32] SiDi: I think he has gnome menus [00:32] SiDi, thanks, I'll definitely will! [00:32] charlie-tca__: ok. now to your questions. i opened the bios and saw my usb drive name there. i raised it to the top and hit F10 (save and exit). after 10 seconds i saw a black screen with blinking cursur. i didn't see the grub. [00:33] You are trying to boot the live cd from the hard disk drive. I don't think it will work [00:33] charlie-tca__: ok. my options are: buying flash usb or? [00:33] It can't find anything to boot. [00:33] burn cd or flash usb drive. [00:33] hi [00:34] charlie-tca__: got it. thanks. i'll ask it in ubuntu, just in case. [00:34] owen1: in the USA, 2 gig flash drive is about 10 dollars [00:34] charlie-tca__: i know. [00:34] Biggest one I have seen is only 32gb [00:36] and than i'll be able to use unetbootin or usb-creator. [00:37] yes [00:37] I would go for the 4 [00:37] GB size, usually only a dollar or two more, but got room for when Xubuntu grows [00:38] I've installed ntfs-config to access an ntfs partition, however I don't get any shortcut icon on the desktop... how comes? [00:38] mount shows: [00:38] /dev/sda5 on /media/NTFS type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096) [00:38] and in fstab: [00:38] Is there a way to make panel transparent? [00:39] /dev/sda5 /media/NTFS ntfs-3g defaults,locale=sv_SE.UTF-8 0 0 [00:39] PsynoKhi0: I think you have to create a desktop launcher for it [00:39] poopuser: turn Composite Effects on in the advanced tab under Xfce settings, Window Manager [00:39] poopuser, you have to enable compositor, under window manager tweaks [00:40] PsynoKhi0: I don't think Xubuntu creates that for you anymore. [00:40] charlie-tca__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick someone told me it's possible and send me this link. [00:40] charlie-tca__: ok [00:40] Is composite a resource whore or will i be ok on my pretty old hardware (every mb of ram counts)? [00:40] owen1: Note the "FromUSBStick" , not from USB Hard Disk Drive [00:40] poopuser: whore [00:40] ; ( [00:41] Thanks. [00:41] You are welcome [00:41] also, I've read that ntfs-3g doesn't handle file ownership and access rights... that might sound silly but, does that affect disk defragmenting? [00:41] Ohhh, I gotta go after that one [00:42] charlie-tca__: ok [00:42] Good luck [00:42] any of you played with cdemu? [00:42] coleys > owen1: It works for harddrives, it specifically has an option for harddrives. =o [00:50] ChanServ: the guy told me unetbootin should be fine with hard drives. i am trying it now. [01:04] Hey. [01:05] I'm running straight Ubuntu right now and I'm thinking about installing xubuntu-desktop and removing ubuntu-desktop. Is this safe? How much work will I have to do to reorganize my panels? [01:06] MindVirus: almost all of the menu will port, but you will have to set up the panels again if you have customized them [01:06] th0r, the menu? [01:07] MindVirus: the applications and system menus.... [01:08] th0r, will all applets for the panels be the same? [01:09] MindVirus: no, but there is a way to use gnome applets if you like. Course, if you remove gnome you won't be able to do that. I would suggest installing xubuntu-desktop first and taking a look...you can have both installed at the same time and run whichever you like [01:09] th0r, oh? [01:09] Right, through GDM. [01:09] Do you recommend I make a new user account? [01:09] MindVirus: right, through gdm [01:10] What's nautilus' replacement? [01:10] MindVirus: no...you can use the same user account with no problem, just choose a new Session in the gdm before logging in. You will b eprompted if you want to make the change the default or just try it one time [01:10] th0r, right, but it'll save crap in hidden folders that I don't want. [01:10] nautilus is replaced with thunar....which I like a whole lot more [01:10] th0r, why? [01:10] MindVirus: it doesn't save that much....the config files don't amount to anything worth worrying about. [01:11] th0r, they really irritate me. I'm OCD. [01:11] My ~ is pristine. [01:11] MindVirus: as for thunar...I really like being able to define custom actions [01:11] And as soon as I figure out a way to see top-level packages (those that are not dependencies), I'm going on a cleaning streak. [01:11] th0r, like what? [01:12] MindVirus: for instance, for an iso file in my right click menu is a choice to mount it. It will mount it to ~/iso [01:12] I see. [01:18] Hmm. Is there anything like Xfce except using Qt? [01:18] MindVirus: you're kidding, right? [01:19] No, why would I be kidding? Qt is much more efficient than GTK. [01:19] yeah, right [01:19] th0r, I wouldn't be surprised if GNOME had a Qt port. [01:19] th0r, well, convince me otherwise. [01:19] nope...I don't play troll [01:20] I am not trolling -- I really want to know why GTK is better. [01:20] I've done GTK dev and it's a pain. [01:20] Furthermore every place I go I hear Qt is leagues ahead. [01:20] But I want some balance to this debate. [01:20] dont food the troll [01:20] ... [01:20] What the hell. [01:20] feed [01:20] not food [01:20] :< [01:20] s/food/feed/ [01:20] :D [01:20] MindVirus: install kde....take a good look at qt [01:21] th0r, it's ugly. [01:21] But that is changeable. [01:21] and it is SO much faster [01:21] :)))) [01:21] Please, don't treat me as a troll. I am not here to incite rage. [01:21] th0r, I assume it's slower because it's KDE, not because it's Qt. [01:22] KDE is an obese monolithic structure. [01:23] MindVirus: well...if QT was lightning fast it would still be meaningless, so long as the only implementation is an obese monolithic structure [01:24] Ahh, so KDE's the only implementation. [01:24] What a sad thought. [01:24] th0r, are you sure KDE's the only one? [01:24] MindVirus: do you know of another? [01:25] No -- I asked two or three times; obviously I don't. [01:26] dunno which of Qt or GTK is more efficient but xfce's menu sure is getting on my nerves showing whatever it f*cking feels like [01:26] MindVirus: when kde and gnome first started out they were on an equal footing, and quickly kde took the lead. There has to be a reason all that development moved to gnome [01:26] brb [01:26] th0r, I don't much much history behind either. [01:27] Other than K stood for Kool at one point. [01:27] Which is one of the reasons I refuse to touch KDE. [01:27] PsynoKhi0 you need to figure out how to make the menu what you want....it wasn't that hard [01:27] MindVirus: that pretty well hits it on the head....all the kiddie developers dominated kde...thus the cartoonish interfaces [01:28] MindVirus: I moved to xfce when enlightenment moved all its efforts to 17, and figure there is a reason xfce went with gtk (they used to have their own libs) [01:28] th0r, why GTK? [01:29] MindVirus: don't know...I don't do development any more. But I have used xfce long enoough to trust that team...so I assume there is a good reason [01:38] PsynoKhi0: have you figured out the menus yet? [01:39] knome: if you see charles tell him unetbootin works with external hard drives. [01:41] th0r: nope [01:42] owen1, i'll forward to him. [01:42] owen1, charlie, btw ;) [01:42] cool [01:42] th0r: I kept /home after moving from gnome, I expected some bumps but it's getting ridiculous [01:42] PsynoKhi0: all menu entries require a *.desktop file. The defaults are stored in /usr/share/applications. You can add your own in ~/.local/applications [01:43] Wine won't create a submenu [01:43] PsynoKhi0: if you want to turn one off (hide it) add the line NoDisplay=true in the .desktop file [01:43] PsynoKhi0: right...you need to create your own for wine entries. [01:43] PsynoKhi0: and stay away from alacarte...it will just confuse the issue....it doesn't work very well [01:44] they are there somehow, in a mish mash aptly called "Others" [01:44] owen1, sent him mail, he can't miss it now ;) [01:44] PsynoKhi0: you can control which submenu they are in with the Categories line in the .desktop file [01:45] heh I don't have any .local/applications [01:45] either .local/share [01:45] PsynoKhi0: not unless you create it. [01:46] PsynoKhi0: it is .local/share/applications [01:46] PsynoKhi0: and note that .local is a hidden directory in your home directory, so you need to turn on view hidden files [01:46] eeee no .config/menus either [01:47] hmm .local/share/applications is there and looks ok [01:48] PsynoKhi0: the .config/menus files are just pointers to the directories that hold the .desktop files [01:48] PsynoKhi0: I have done all my menu work in the .desktop files, didn't need to touch the menus files [01:50] just checking, under Properties for the xubuntu menu button, Menu file should point to /etc/xdg/xubuntu/xfce-applications.menu, right? [01:52] PsynoKhi0: I use a custom file [01:52] night everybody. [01:53] PsynoKhi0: mine points to ~/.config/menus [01:53] ok [01:53] knome: cya [01:54] th0r: there are a bunch of .desktop files under .local/share/desktop-directories [01:56] under .local/share/applications everything follows the structure I was expecting to get [01:57] PsynoKhi0: I have .desktop files in desktop-directories also, but they don't show up in my menu. But remember...I am using a custom menu file [02:05] that will be for another day, good night [02:05] thanks for the ideas [02:37] What do you guys recommend for DVD ripping? [04:15] i use awesome and not xfce. what app in xfce will do automount for me? [04:49] hi everyone [04:51] id like to ask for some help if anyone online [04:52] always [04:52] hi owen1 [04:53] i cant update package manager [04:53] do u know why? [05:04] what error do u get [05:07] link is not found [05:07] r u in terminal or synaptic? [05:08] synaptic [05:08] let's try it from terminal, so it will be easier to figure it out. open your terminal [05:08] ok [05:08] yep did it [05:09] type: sudo aptitude update [05:09] and tell me if u don't understand what i am saying [05:10] 404 not found [05:10] i think the links r changed [05:10] maybe something in your sources.list is weird. let's open this file. do u know where it is? [05:11] i just begin linux, im very noob for linux [05:11] great! [05:11] no idea about where it is :] [05:12] it will be a fun ride for you. [05:12] :] [05:12] thx a lot for helping [05:13] there is a file on ubuntu/debian/xubuntu that specify where get updates about the applications that installed on your machine (packages). [05:13] everything in linux (almost) is simple text files. [05:13] type: [05:13] cd /etc/apt [05:13] cd = change directory [05:13] yep did it [05:14] great. type ls [05:14] (list files) [05:14] yep [05:14] do u see sources.list? [05:14] source.list [05:14] yes [05:14] and source.list d [05:14] ok. [05:14] i'll show u the most important application in the world - vim [05:15] vim is a text editor [05:15] but some using it also as development environment. [05:15] :] great [05:15] (like me) [05:15] let's open our sources.list with vim. [05:15] type: [05:15] sudo vim sources.list [05:15] sudo=super user [05:16] yep [05:16] the terminal is cleared now [05:16] everything u are editing outside of your home folder should be done by super user. [05:16] do u see the file? [05:16] as a root? [05:16] i see something like [05:16] - [05:16] - [05:16] - [05:16] yes. [05:17] interesting. [05:17] and right corner 0.0-1 [05:17] let's close it the file. maybe u opened the wrong file. type: [05:17] :w [05:18] in vim there are two 'modes'. insert mode and command mode. [05:18] make sure u are in command mode before typing :w (hit esc) [05:18] i did control z [05:18] coz couldnt close it :] [05:19] what did ctrl+z did? [05:19] sorry [05:19] :q [05:19] not :w [05:19] (quit) will close a file [05:19] :w will try to save it [05:19] back to command prompt [05:19] great [05:20] now type sudo vim and wait. [05:20] start typing 'sour' [05:20] and hit tab [05:20] command not found [05:20] command not found for sudo wim [05:20] 'sudo vim sour' and tab [05:21] not wim [05:21] tab should complete the missing letters for you. [05:21] yep [05:21] i want to make sure u open the correct file. [05:21] did u open the file? [05:21] yep [05:22] is it empty? [05:22] there is some logs [05:22] and information [05:22] it's probably deb .............. [05:22] a lot of lines start with deb? [05:22] i use ubuntu [05:22] me too [05:23] there is nothing about deb [05:23] u don't see lines like: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty main restricted [05:23] no i dont [05:24] ok, paste the content of this file to a website: [05:24] http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ [05:24] now im in same place as text editor [05:24] - [05:24] - [05:24] - [05:25] and when u'r done, send me the link. [05:25] so i can take a look [05:26] i added the link in text editor [05:26] ? [05:26] i want u to copy the content of the file to the website [05:26] and send me the link [05:26] so i'll take a look [05:27] after sudo vim source [05:28] sudo vim sources.list [05:28] i entered somewhere like root information [05:28] and some more things [05:28] more things? [05:28] like what? [05:28] and it says me press enter to continue [05:28] i want to see the content of this file [05:29] i want u to copy all of it (by marking with the mouste) [05:29] and pasting to the website (middle click will paste) [05:30] http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d501dbe71 i pasted mine [05:30] yep just a sec [05:30] u should have similar file [05:32] m23c42012 [05:32] is mine [05:32] paste the whole url [05:32] try to make it easy for me.. [05:32] http:ubuntu.pastebin.com/m23c42-12 [05:32] http:ubuntu.pastebin.com/m23c42012 [05:33] so i can simply click [05:33] http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m23c42012 [05:33] (-: [05:33] iim using vmware on mac [05:33] i am making u a good citizen here [05:33] so i cant copy paste lol [05:33] :P [05:33] thx a lot sir [05:34] ok. vim is backing up files you are working on. source.swp is a backup file. [05:34] when u see this question, u should have the option for delete. [05:34] hit d [05:35] and than it will show u sources.list [05:35] all u r doing is telling vim to delete this annoying file [05:35] i hit d [05:36] ok. and? [05:36] and im in [05:36] - [05:36] - [05:36] - [05:36] again [05:36] do u see the file? [05:36] terminal cleared [05:36] owen1: is he running a gui? a gui edditor might be easier [05:36] empty? [05:36] no nothing [05:36] yea [05:36] his sources.list is empty [05:37] and he get 404 when trying to update [05:37] yea [05:37] maduser: i was thinking of telling him to add the correct repositories in this file. [05:39] he can acess the web [05:39] Ertan: can u access the web from this machine? [05:39] are there defult sources.list files on the web, he can copy one of those and try to update [05:39] true [05:41] Ertan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=997890 [05:42] copy paste it to your file. hit 'esc' and :w [05:42] tell me if u see a message that the file was saved [05:42] dude let him use mouse pad [05:43] maduser: i thought it will great to teach him to use vim [05:43] vim is not something to be learned over irc [05:44] ah well nm [05:51] i think i got dc [05:51] switch to ruby! [05:51] sorry for that [05:52] im still in same text file [05:52] is there good support for 2 monitors in xubuntu? [05:53] did u see the link i sent - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=997890 [05:54] the first answer has a complete file. copy it from there. [05:54] <_Pete_> owen1: at least if you use nvidia-card [05:54] great, i ho [05:54] do [05:55] owen1 i got dc [05:56] sure === phpfreaks_user65 is now known as ertan [05:56] copy paste the content from the site to your file. [05:56] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=997890 ??? [05:57] yes [05:57] the first answer there [05:57] copy it into your file [05:57] ok [05:57] it tells ubuntu where to look for updates. [05:58] and whenever an update will be available, u'll be able to update your machine. [05:58] it's the ubuntu repositories. [05:58] there are 60,000 packages available for us. [05:59] ok im doing now [05:59] when u'r done pasting. hit esc [05:59] and :w [05:59] and tell me if u see confirmation that it was saved [06:01] its written now [06:01] now ill try to update again [06:02] yep now it updates [06:02] hey it worked [06:02] !! [06:02] linux is awesome [06:02] i think u should see that [06:02] and u learned to use vim [06:03] im pasting it [06:03] what? [06:05] it doesnt let me paste it again [06:05] spam filter [06:06] after saving the changes i hit sudo aptitude update [06:06] and same 404 not found problem [06:06] should i restart ubunttu? [06:07] so apt updated and now it won't? [06:07]