=== doctormo_ is now known as doctormo === ara_ is now known as ara [12:26] * MacSlow -> lunch === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:11] had a nice meal MacSlow ? :D [14:13] (more seriously, is it ok if i replace all the gconf keys by xfconf keys in the xfce version of notify-osd ?) [14:47] djsiegel_: i think this should be looked into for karmic > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/388866 [14:47] macvr: too big to be a paper cut [14:48] djsiegel_: ah... maybe ayatana then? [14:48] macvr: well... [14:48] macvr: I would assign to the "applets" that open twice [14:48] and they aren't applets [14:48] yeah not applets [14:52] djsiegel_: what about the rewording of the update window? [14:52] dialogue? [14:52] macvr: haven't had time to check it out because of GUADEC [14:52] I will blog about round-2 today [14:52] oh... you are still there... ok [14:53] and tie up loose ends, and get the design team to check our round-3 [14:53] no, got back this weekend [14:53] macvr: for some paper cut relief, http://davidsiegel.org/karmic-backgrounds-contest/ [14:54] djsiegel_: i'm in the art section, i know about that ;p [14:54] great [14:54] the art section? [14:55] artwork discussions mailing list [14:57] djsiegel_: i told you about adding to the wiki , the hardware issues are not papercuts.> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/250211 ,got hounded here [14:58] finally i added a note to the wiki, ;p [15:28] ping njpatel [16:57] will karmic autologin by default? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/398720) [16:58] i doubt it [18:14] kholerabbi1: actually i think you got it mixed up with the auto login of grub [18:14] undoubtedly [18:17] night :) === SiDi_ is now known as SiDi [20:04] djsiegel: nothing was actually fixed here > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/393645 [20:06] whatever changed, was not done by the papercuts task, it already existed... [20:20] macvr: that's fine [20:20] macvr: what counts is that the paper cut was fixed [20:20] it doesn't matter who fixed it, how, or when, as long as the paper cut is healed [20:21] not fair... ;p [20:21] Why? [20:21] how can something be fixed when the problem didnt exist when we got there? [20:21] the problem existed in Jaunty [20:22] it is gone in Karmic [20:22] therefore, a paper cut was fixed [20:22] It would be prudent not to take too much credit for it, however. [20:22] Who is taking credit for it? [20:23] it like a plumber claiming to have fixed a leaking pipe, because the water supply was turned off before he got there ;p [20:23] Hopefully not the papercuts project. [20:23] My concern is that we have a list of 100 usability problems that should be problems no more in Karmic [20:24] If a genie fixes them magically overnight, great [20:24] Agreed. [20:24] if they get fixed upstream, wonderful [20:24] I will be sure to mention the multiple sources of fixes in the final report [20:24] As long as it's "Yeah, look what got done" and not "Yeah, look what we did" it's fine. [20:25] yeah, I agree [20:25] "look at what got done" is always the best route when many people are working on the same set of problems, I've found [20:25] yeah as long as credit goes to the person who fixed it , its nice :) [20:26] With my upstream work, if a blogger or journalist singles me out and gives me credit for something that came out of my project, I usually email them and ask them to attribute the team and all contributors instead of me as maintainer [20:26] even if I wrote and committed the fix in question [20:27] just keeps everyone equally motivated [20:27] and at the end of the day, there is no credit because the sun will swallow the earth and all minds, records, digital information will burn up :) [20:29] Yes, but it'll be on youtube. [20:29] lol [20:30] ah, and the radio waves that leak out into space [20:30] forgot about those buggers [20:30] and airplane black boxes [20:30] pretty sure they are sun-proof [20:30] djsiegel: IMO , i think it would be much better , when all task are done because they where first identified in papercuts, we could take more pride in that [20:31] macvr: ok, that can be a goal for the next cycle [20:31] +1 [20:31] but for these first few milestones, we're just getting the papercutters team together [20:33] djsiegel: I was just reading the "Home Folder" debate. I agree with your proposal. It makes the most sense in translation and it makes the most sense to be consistent with the filesystem [20:34] danrabbit! [20:34] Nice to see you. [20:34] I've been lurking :D [20:34] Did you see jono's blog on notification areas for dark themes? [20:35] danrabbit: and please email Ken back. [20:35] no, can you link me? [20:35] Yea, no problem. I actually haven't checked my email this morning :D [20:37] danrabbit: http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/12/icon-theme-hacking-progress/ [20:37] thanks [20:38] ScottK: ping [20:39] SiDi: Pong [20:40] djsiegel: did you read Ulisse's response? [20:41] ScottK: do you mind reexplaining me whats going on about dontzap please ? :) [20:43] SiDi: dontzap no longer works due to changes in X, but at least Gnome and KDE use the libxklavier (or whatever it was) to control it via a normal keyboard setting. [20:43] So from a Ubuntu/Kubuntu perspective, dontzap can go away (we've already dropped the GUI for it in Kubuntu). [20:43] i had a look at xklavier and i didnt even understand what it was [20:43] * ScottK neither. [20:43] if dontzap no longer works then it should go anyway [20:44] but there should be a documented CLI way to revert the dontzap setting [20:44] * ScottK was parroting what others said. [20:44] If there's no GUI, sure. [20:44] do you know who are these others by chance ? :) [20:44] My suggestion is to chat with tseliot in #ubuntu-x about it. [20:44] (xu/lu/flubuntu wont have a GUI indeed. same for openbox and such) [20:45] hm i'll try to catch him there later then [20:45] he seems offline [20:45] Right, well since Kubuntu often gets left out, I wanted to make sure you guys knew and the same didn't happen to you. [20:46] thanks for letting us know though, its nice from you