[12:26]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[14:11] <SiDi> had a nice meal MacSlow ? :D
[14:13] <SiDi> (more seriously, is it ok if i replace all the gconf keys by xfconf keys in the xfce version of notify-osd ?)
[14:47] <macvr> djsiegel_: i think this should be looked into for karmic > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/388866
[14:47] <djsiegel_> macvr: too big to be a paper cut
[14:48] <macvr> djsiegel_: ah... maybe ayatana then?
[14:48] <djsiegel_> macvr: well...
[14:48] <djsiegel_> macvr: I would assign to the "applets" that open twice
[14:48] <djsiegel_> and they aren't applets
[14:48] <macvr> yeah not applets
[14:52] <macvr> djsiegel_: what about the rewording of the update window?
[14:52] <macvr> dialogue?
[14:52] <djsiegel_> macvr: haven't had time to check it out because of GUADEC
[14:52] <djsiegel_> I will blog about round-2 today
[14:52] <macvr> oh... you are still there... ok
[14:53] <djsiegel_> and tie up loose ends, and get the design team to check our round-3
[14:53] <djsiegel_> no, got back this weekend
[14:53] <djsiegel_> macvr: for some paper cut relief, http://davidsiegel.org/karmic-backgrounds-contest/
[14:54] <macvr> djsiegel_: i'm in the art section, i know about that ;p
[14:54] <djsiegel_> great
[14:54] <djsiegel_> the art section? 
[14:55] <macvr> artwork discussions mailing list
[14:57] <macvr> djsiegel_: i told you about adding to the wiki , the hardware issues are not papercuts.> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/250211 ,got hounded here
[14:58] <macvr> finally i added a note to the wiki, ;p
[15:28] <DBO> ping njpatel 
[16:57] <kholerabbi1> will karmic autologin by default? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/398720)
[16:58] <lamalex> i doubt it
[18:14] <macvr> kholerabbi1: actually i think you got it mixed up with the auto login of grub
[18:14] <kholerabbi1> undoubtedly
[18:17] <kholerabbi1> night :)
[20:04] <macvr> djsiegel: nothing was actually fixed here > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/393645
[20:06] <macvr> whatever changed, was not done by the papercuts task, it already existed... 
[20:20] <djsiegel> macvr: that's fine
[20:20] <djsiegel> macvr: what counts is that the paper cut was fixed
[20:20] <djsiegel> it doesn't matter who fixed it, how, or when, as long as the paper cut is healed
[20:21] <macvr> not fair... ;p
[20:21] <djsiegel> Why?
[20:21] <macvr> how can something be fixed when the problem didnt exist when we got there?
[20:21] <djsiegel> the problem existed in Jaunty
[20:22] <djsiegel> it is gone in Karmic
[20:22] <djsiegel> therefore, a paper cut was fixed
[20:22] <ScottK> It would be prudent not to take too much credit for it, however.
[20:22] <djsiegel> Who is taking credit for it?
[20:23] <macvr> it like a plumber claiming to have fixed a leaking pipe,  because the water supply was turned off before he got there ;p
[20:23] <ScottK> Hopefully not the papercuts project.
[20:23] <djsiegel> My concern is that we have a list of 100 usability problems that should be problems no more in Karmic
[20:24] <djsiegel> If a genie fixes them magically overnight, great
[20:24] <ScottK> Agreed.
[20:24] <djsiegel> if they get fixed upstream, wonderful
[20:24] <djsiegel> I will be sure to mention the multiple sources of fixes in the final report
[20:24] <ScottK> As long as it's "Yeah, look what got done" and not "Yeah, look what we did" it's fine.
[20:25] <djsiegel> yeah, I agree
[20:25] <djsiegel> "look at what got done" is always the best route when many people are working on the same set of problems, I've found
[20:25] <macvr> yeah as long as credit goes to the person who fixed it , its nice :)
[20:26] <djsiegel> With my upstream work, if a blogger or journalist singles me out and gives me credit for something that came out of my project, I usually email them and ask them to attribute the team and all contributors instead of me as maintainer
[20:26] <djsiegel> even if I wrote and committed the fix in question
[20:27] <djsiegel> just keeps everyone equally motivated
[20:27] <djsiegel> and at the end of the day, there is no credit because the sun will swallow the earth and all minds, records, digital information will burn up :)
[20:29] <ScottK> Yes, but it'll be on youtube.
[20:29] <macvr> lol
[20:30] <djsiegel> ah, and the radio waves that leak out into space
[20:30] <djsiegel> forgot about those buggers
[20:30] <djsiegel> and airplane black boxes
[20:30] <djsiegel> pretty sure they are sun-proof
[20:30] <macvr> djsiegel: IMO , i think it would be much better , when all task are done because they where first identified in papercuts, we could take more pride in that
[20:31] <djsiegel> macvr: ok, that can be a goal for the next cycle
[20:31] <macvr> +1
[20:31] <djsiegel> but for these first few milestones, we're just getting the papercutters team together
[20:33] <danrabbit> djsiegel: I was just reading the "Home Folder" debate. I agree with your proposal. It makes the most sense in translation and it makes the most sense to be consistent with the filesystem
[20:34] <djsiegel> danrabbit!
[20:34] <djsiegel> Nice to see you.
[20:34] <danrabbit> I've been lurking :D
[20:34] <djsiegel> Did you see jono's blog on notification areas for dark themes?
[20:35] <djsiegel> danrabbit: and please email Ken back.
[20:35] <danrabbit> no, can you link me?
[20:35] <danrabbit> Yea, no problem. I actually haven't checked my email this morning :D
[20:37] <djsiegel> danrabbit: http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/12/icon-theme-hacking-progress/
[20:37] <danrabbit> thanks
[20:38] <SiDi> ScottK: ping
[20:39] <ScottK> SiDi: Pong
[20:40] <danrabbit> djsiegel: did you read Ulisse's response?
[20:41] <SiDi> ScottK: do you mind reexplaining me whats going on about dontzap please ? :)
[20:43] <ScottK> SiDi: dontzap no longer works due to changes in X, but at least Gnome and KDE use the libxklavier (or whatever it was) to control it via a normal keyboard setting.
[20:43] <ScottK> So from a Ubuntu/Kubuntu perspective, dontzap can go away (we've already dropped the GUI for it in Kubuntu).
[20:43] <SiDi> i had a look at xklavier and i didnt even understand what it was
[20:43]  * ScottK neither.
[20:43] <SiDi> if dontzap no longer works then it should go anyway
[20:44] <SiDi> but there should be  a documented CLI way to revert the dontzap setting
[20:44]  * ScottK was parroting what others said.
[20:44] <ScottK> If there's no GUI, sure.
[20:44] <SiDi> do you know who are these others by chance ? :)
[20:44] <ScottK> My suggestion is to chat with tseliot in #ubuntu-x about it.
[20:44] <SiDi> (xu/lu/flubuntu wont have a GUI indeed. same for openbox and such)
[20:45] <SiDi> hm i'll try to catch him there later then
[20:45] <SiDi> he seems offline
[20:45] <ScottK> Right, well since Kubuntu often gets left out, I wanted to make sure you guys knew and the same didn't happen to you.
[20:46] <SiDi> thanks for letting us know though, its nice from you