=== asac_ is now known as asac [00:35] There is a kdeui/widgets/:wq vi accident in kde4libs_4.2.96-0ubuntu2. Someone around who can fix this? [00:36] "kde4libs source: patch-system-but-direct-changes-in-diff kdeui/widgets/:wq " [00:42] I reported a bug #398596 [00:42] Launchpad bug 398596 in kde4libs "patch-system-but-direct-changes-in-diff kdeui/widgets/:wq" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398596 [01:09] neversfelde: nixternal uploaded that one, perhaps he should have a look. [01:10] ScottK: I will ask him, next time he's around [01:10] We may have already. [01:10] neversfelde: Is it breaking anything or just not the best way to do it? [01:12] ScottK: it does not break anything as far as I know, only an accidental add of a new file, I suppose [01:13] neversfelde: OK, so not urgent so nixternal can fix it when he's here. [01:13] Thanks. [01:13] yes [03:00] New qt-creator in Debian if someone wants to look into a merge. [04:23] Riddell: The sematic linker in http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/akademy/akademy-2009-group-photo.html is very cool. === foursixnine is now known as santiago-ve [05:46] ryanakca: I'd appreciate it if you'd apply some of your wikifoo to this page: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook [05:46] I can't understand why the hardware testing heading doesn't work. [05:46] Feel free to make any other changes you'd think would make it better. [07:08] ScottK / Daskreech: with KDE integration enabled, Quassel is a proper KApplication that makes use of knotify [07:09] Sput: ok [07:09] if someone wants us to react to an external event properly, make sure that an appropriate signal is sent by the KNotification [07:09] I think we connect to activated() [07:09] ScottK: I fixed your heading... [07:09] Sput: Yeah we covered that :) I was trying to figure out now if Kwin could duplicate that [07:09] current systray notification implementation fails to send a signal when clicked though :/ [07:10] * kb9vqf thinks he did anyway [07:10] Daskreech: if there's anything we can do app-side, let me know. [07:10] Sput: File a bug on that :) [07:23] * Daskreech pokes Sput into putting in shortcuts to switch channels [07:23] Daskreech: ah yeah. on the agenda. [07:24] currently I have a hard time making KToolBars work though. they never seem to reload their settings :/ [07:24] When do you want them to reload? [07:24] on app restart [07:24] ah yeah that might be a problem [07:24] so I use the context menu to e.g. change the text-under-icons thing, and it should save that and restore next time I start the app [07:25] even reading KDE source hasn't helped me so far :) it's stored, but not loaded again [07:25] what happens if you force it to save? [07:25] Ah it's the reading that's the problem [07:25] I seem to be able to save just fine, but can't restore... maybe I have trouble working with KConfigGroups though [07:26] so more source reading required. nice task for the day, I reckon. :) [07:26] hint for API developers: "silently failing" doing something and providing no way to check for errors or current state is bad [07:26] Yeppers [07:27] in this particular case, it's KConfigGroup silently failing to write stuff if it's in read-only mode, and not providing a way to check if it's in read-only mode [07:28] ah well. first finish the upgrade to 4.3.60, then try to figure out how to cope with the jetlag, then care about KToolBar again :) [08:18] hi mgraesslin [08:18] morning Daskreech [08:19] How are you? [08:20] WE got our Kwin ranter in the kwin Chann [08:20] omg [08:20] something useful? [08:21] * Daskreech shrugs [08:22] los of snide comments on how Kwin developers like kitchen sinks without understanding plumbing [08:22] And the idiocy of having a bug that was seen but not reported since before KDE 4.0 shipped still be in here [08:22] THen emerged val grind and cache grind [08:23] So we should probably be seeing more from hom [08:25] hmm I will need an ignore mode ;-) [08:32] * jussi01 waves === ulysses__ is now known as Guest79416 [11:11] ScottK: Sure, I'll get it done during a quiet time at work today... [11:18] Could somebody provide some input on bug 389245 please? I'm not sure what I should do with it, just display the last part of the title (/a/b/c -> c, in which case, if both Ubuntu/FAQ and Kubuntu/FAQ exist, it isn't glaringly obvious which one you're at... use the a/b/c format instead of abc... what else? I'm thinking of keeping the breadcrumbs since they provide an easy way to go one/two/three/... up from the current page. [11:18] Launchpad bug 389245 in kubuntu-website "[wiki] top title doesn't have separators and is redundant" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389245 [11:25] neversfelde: What kind of wifi did the NM widget not work with on your eee? [11:26] neversfelde: If it was any kind of WEP/WPA then it's known breakage and not eeepc specific. [11:26] ScottK: it's an atheros chip and WPA [11:26] ScottK: ok, I will change it [11:29] neversfelde: Does it work on an unencrypted network? [11:30] ScottK: I am using the jaunty package, so I have not tested, but I am going to search something unencrypted here [11:33] neversfelde: That or setup wpa through /etc/network/interfaces and ifup. [12:13] In Karmic Firefox actually knows about Okular and PDFs. That's progress. [12:23] ScottK: o.O wow!! [12:23] Yes, I was quite suprised. [12:38] Riddell: (this is a re-ping from when you were at GCDS): When you updated https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph last month you updated the image, but didn't update the textfile, if you'd please upload that, I have some additional changes to make. [13:00] ScottK: Hardware header appears to work fine in the old kubuntu and the kubuntu-new themes... what should it be like? [13:06] ryanakca: It should be like other Kubuntu stuff. kb9vqf did a bit of fixing on it already (thanks). I'm not much of a web person, so feel free to make it wonderful. [13:07] ScottK: OK [13:52] oh god [13:53] I borked my system with RC 2 [13:53] anyone got problems with truncated libs? [13:54] /sbin/ldconfig.real: file /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kwin.so is truncated [13:54] same goes to libkdeinit4_plasm-desktop.so [13:55] Quintasan|Szel: Nope. [13:55] Fine here. [13:56] argh [13:56] Quintasan|Szel: does all the borken libs seem to be from the same package? [13:57] wait, I'm reinstalling kdebase-workspace-bin and kde-window-manager, that should help [13:57] phew, looks like it worked [13:57] @_@ [13:57] nice [14:01] looks like reboot hurt the libs [14:01] :/ [14:01] disk full? [14:01] yup :D [14:01] that might explain things ;) [14:02] I moved some err.. video files and it worked ;D [14:02] good [14:03] as long as "we" have no part in the error, we are happy :P [14:03] oh god, I just discovered folder with three karmic images [14:03] @_@ [14:05] * Quintasan must get a bigger HD [14:06] he, it is never big enough [14:06] well I have only two disks: 250GB and 80GB [14:06] * a|wen has one 80GB ... and no more [14:06] Quintasan: Or les ...errr videos ? [14:07] mgraesslin: Oh I have the nick of the profiling participant if you like [14:07] Daskreech: er, not even CD of those :P [14:07] Daskreech: Anime dir == OVER9000 [14:07] LOL [14:08] humm, external 150 GB full of anime [14:08] main disk 45GB of anime [14:09] and hurr durr only 20 on Kubuntu partition [14:09] ohshi- [14:09] * Quintasan notices a big spider on his wall === flacoste_lunch is now known as flacoste [14:27] ryanakca: It might be nice if the Kubuntu wiki page header mentioned #kubuntu-netbook. [15:26] hi rickspencer3 [15:27] hi Daskreech [15:27] How did your presentation go? [15:28] it was "ok" I suppose [15:29] Ha ha What would be your definition of "ok" ? [15:37] rickspencer3: i'm sorry i missed it, i had to chair a session that afternoon [15:38] seele: it [15:39] s kind of a weird concept for people, to do user-centered design for developers [15:40] mmm.. i guess so [15:41] maybe it's just new to the gnomies, i've been preaching to kde about ucd for 5 years now ;) [15:41] they might not get it yet, but theyre familiar with it i think [15:41] seele, what I mean is, treating developers as users [15:41] going user-centered design when developers are the users [15:42] ah, interesting [15:43] what did you talk about? development processes? [15:44] I talked about what an "opportunistic" programmer is ... how important they are to the success of a platform, and what their expectations are [15:53] rickspencer3: Slides? [15:53] seele, i cant find a sponsor :( [15:59] maco: I'd suggest those changes should go upstream first. I'd be glad to sponsor them for our 4.3 if they are in KDE trunk. [15:59] Daskreech: Likely there will be a video. [16:00] ScottK, they need to go into both, but Nightrose was telling me upstream had a string freeze at the time [16:00] maco: They don't now. [16:00] ScottK: I know but I'm intrigued NOW [16:01] ok, will send my svn diffs [16:01] maco: It also occurs to me we might want to wait and see if the KDE translations importing is going to work this time or not. [16:02] All these strings will need to be retranslated. [16:05] fun fun [16:05] Yes. So let's make sure we'll have the ability to do that before we upload the changes. [16:09] Why do I get a disabling trackerd when I startup from a CD? Why does the CD have tracker? === fjlacoste is now known as flacoste [16:23] kde microblog seems broken since last update. [16:23] only shows my tweets from identi.ca [16:23] and the configure button isn't going away... weird [16:23] dents? [16:24] oh oh you see the configure button too???? [16:24] dents, ya... [16:24] not just me!!! [16:24] yep [16:24] does the kde mircoblog suffer from the sam problem choqok used to w/ twitter? [16:24] worked perfect in last release [16:24] I had to delete the plasmarcs [16:24] choqok broke in the twitterapolocypse [16:24] rgreening, does the comic widget show the configure button? that one did that to me too [16:24] hmmm... never used it. [16:24] at least that fixed a similar problem with the comic plasmoid [16:24] jjesse, when twitter started rate-limiting? [16:24] I'll try removing the plasmarc and restarting kde... [16:25] oh....i just installed last night [16:25] there was a problem when twitter broke the api or something, choqok had to be reved to work again [16:25] have to go for lunch first though... [16:25] this is my first login, so my plasmarc ought to be pretty clean [16:26] maco: mhh, comic plasmoid is allright here again [16:26] i havent tried comic one since new install. that was at ds [16:26] *uds [16:26] but this install has been around for about 12 hours now, and the microblog one isn't happy [16:28] I do not use the microblog thing, but will test it [16:28] btw choqok rocks :) [16:30] maco: yes, same problem here, microblog seems to be broken [16:30] im looking at that other social widget. opendesktop.org? [16:30] what is that? [16:31] um, arora is really slow [16:31] \sh: Opendesktop is interesting [16:32] It lets you know about other people in say the same city that use KDE [16:32] oh. it says "opendesktop.org websites" ...there's no relation to the kde-look/gnome-look stuff right? it says my usual nick is already in use, and im not sure if it's me [16:33] <\sh> Daskreech: hmmm? I don't know anything about opendesktop ;) [16:33] (that'd be "maco" if you couldn't guess) [16:33] Errant tab [16:33] maco: It is kde-look/gnome-look/kde-apps etc [16:33] they are the main site of the opendesktop network [16:34] then it is me [16:42] You should speak to yourself about that. [16:47] hey apparently i used a different email address than usual when i registered too, leading to"where's that password reset email?" confusion [16:52] oi oi [16:53] you turn jewish? [16:53] And a poor speller? [16:53] I think that'd be oy. [16:53] nixternal: You see in the scrollback about kde4libs cleanup needed? [16:54] I see I need to fix that kubuntu_51 patch again as I s/P/p/ when it was changed to PID and not package, so I have to revert that :/ [16:54] ya, going to do that now [16:54] nixternal: Great. Also something about inline changes sneaking into the package. [16:54] uh, i was assuming he was oi-ing like he was in an Oi Band [16:55] oooh that makes me wanna listen to Oi to the World [16:56] nixternal: are you a communication ninja? [17:03] I have to head out for a bit, family un-emergency I guess...I will finish up kdelibs when I get back [17:03] neversfelde: communication ninja? [17:04] nixternal: people who read backlogs, see Nightrose last blog post [17:05] no I haven't yet...had a super busy weekend, just fired up my computer for the first time since friday :) [17:06] nixternal: bug #398596 probably happened during your last upload [17:06] Launchpad bug 398596 in kde4libs "patch-system-but-direct-changes-in-diff kdeui/widgets/:wq" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398596 [17:07] neversfelde: You mean about contentless pings ? [17:08] heh, neversfelde I am not a communication ninja...I do read my backlog and respond only to those that I feel like responding to [17:08] hehe [17:08] you and ScottK didn't deserve a response as I read it, and knew what had to be done ;p [17:08] :) [17:09] oh did you report that one? [17:13] ya, thanks for linking me that bug :) [17:13] :wq - interesting...I wasn't using emacs obviously :p [17:14] uploaded and fixed [17:14] now I can leave feeling good about myself :p [17:15] Who owns identi/ca/kubuntu ? === mgraesslin is now known as mgraesslin_ === dpm is now known as dpm-afk [17:36] Nightrose: CMake Error at /opt/amarok-nightly/share/apps/cmake/modules/MacroLogFeature.cmake:141 (MESSAGE): [17:36] Exiting: Missing Requirements [17:36] Call Stack (most recent call first): [17:36] CMakeLists.txt:131 (macro_display_feature_log) [17:36] Nightrose: I suppose you should have reverted to what eean reverted ;-) [17:36] apachelogger: can you post that in the other channel for lfranchi please? [17:37] i am on the eepc [17:37] pasting is a pain [17:37] thanks :) [17:37] Daskreech: me why? [17:37] oh you mean the user? [17:37] no idea [17:37] the group is mine [17:37] Nightrose: What? [17:38] Oh the Kubunu account? [17:38] yea [17:38] Nightrose: Please keep in mind https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook/HardwareTesting for the eeepc. [17:39] ScottK: i have a running jaunty system on an eeepc700 installed from cd - anything you need me to do? [17:39] (besides installing a new system) [17:40] Nightrose: I mostly want to know what works and what packages you need to add for drivers so we can fix bugs and make sure we have all the right stuff seeded for KNE. [17:40] Nightrose: Checking out the multimedia keys in karmic is also important since that stuff is all being redone. [17:41] ScottK: stock jaunty works just fine - the only thing that does not work is Fn+F2 to toggle wifi [17:41] Karmic will likely be different. [17:41] i see - ok then i should probably test to make sure i am happy with karmik :D [17:42] Nightrose: are there plans to use it? [17:42] working wifi toggle would be the awesome to save me some battery power [17:42] Sooner the better your chances of ending up happy [17:42] hehe yea [17:42] thought so [17:42] Daskreech: the user kubuntu is not mine so no idea - the group is mine and it is being used just fine imho [17:43] Ah yeah the group rocks [17:43] :) [17:44] ScottK: what do i need for testing? I amnot too keen on whiping my harddisk tbh [17:44] Kubuntu: apachelogger * r10 kde-l10n-orphans-parser/list-processor/ (karmic-templates-kubuntu.log process.rb): [17:44] Kubuntu: * Update LP templates list [17:44] Kubuntu: * Make the list-processor take the last-upload-date into account... [17:44] Kubuntu: + if the pot is unfindable and the last upload was >180 days ago => kill [17:44] Kubuntu: + if the pot is unfindable but the last upload was <180 days ago => likelykill [17:46] Nightrose: Kubuntu Netbook ISO is Live, so use usb-creator to make a "Live CD" usb and test without installing. [17:47] sounds good - hope i have a big enough usb stick [17:48] talking about that [17:48] I need to find a stick that fits kubuntu [17:48] oh dear [17:49] Nightrose: wifi button works on my 900 in karmic, I think for the first time [17:50] so try it :) [17:50] nice [17:51] uh [17:51] explorer.exe keeps crashing [17:52] Sounds like time for a different operating system === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [17:56] * apachelogger is wondering how to stop that crash action [17:56] Don't restart it is one way. [17:57] it autorestarts [18:00] ScottK : do you have me a KNE Download-Hint (or your Blog-Address)? [18:01] ScottK: why is the netbook iso bigger than the desktop one? [18:02] Tscheesy: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/daily-live/current/ [18:03] fine - thx.. live :) [18:03] apachelogger: I put all the lang packs in. [18:04] We have a 1GB limit. [18:04] So plenty of room. [18:04] well [18:04] TBH [18:04] the smaller the faster downloaded the better [18:04] apachelogger: Sure, but also supporting people in their language is good too. If translations get better, it might actually be worthwhile. [18:05] not sure, since it will download the lang-pack after installation anyway [18:06] Yes, but people complain about that and it sort of breaks the promise the installer makes. [18:06] hm, ok [18:06] are they compressed with lzma? ;-) [18:06] apachelogger: Dunno. You should take that up with dpm-afk. [18:06] the less the better - you can customize a USB-Live later - improving this would be Great [18:07] apachelogger: BTW, I'm test building KDE stuff against liblzma in my PPA so maybe we get lzma support in ark. [18:07] yay [18:08] Of course the needed library isn't actually in the archive yet .... [18:08] Let alone in Main ..... === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [19:16] when the quassel core drops offline momentarily and thus gets disconnected from the server and from the client... when i reconnect the client to the server, only like 1/2 the channels i was in still have buffers in the buffer list. they look like i parted, but i can right click and join. the other half just disappear. have to join those more manually. find it odd. === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [19:16] Sput, any idea why? [19:17] (idk if this is a quassel thing or a limitation of how irc servers behave) [19:17] depends if you have more than 20 channels :) [19:17] in which case you'll hit a problem with quassel's autoidentify support, which will ident you only after joining (thus, you won't get your +u in time) [19:18] which you can workaround by setting your nickserv pass as server pass [19:19] nope, only like 6 [19:20] 6 total or 6 missing? [19:20] 6 total [19:21] i wonder if its because of hide inactive buffer setting? [19:21] none of them re join after the core reconnects [19:21] but of the 6 i had 2 buffers just weren't in the buffer list at all anymore [19:28] hm? kubuntu netbook iso? where? [19:29] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/daily-live/ [19:29] It isn't particularly different than the regular one at the moment, but it will be. [19:29] Also todays seems somewhat borked. [19:29] You might go back a couple of days. [19:41] Riddell: http://patches.ubuntu.com/k/kdebase-workspace/extracted/kubuntu_80_fix_includes.diff [19:41] not documented in changelog [19:41] actually, not documented at all [19:41] not even the commit messages is any useful [19:41] also [19:41] not upstreamed [19:41] hahaha [19:44] Kubuntu: apachelogger * r121 kdebase-workspace/debian/patches/kubuntu_73_ksysguard_search_box_fix.diff: Remove debian/patches/kubuntu_73_ksysguard_search_box_fix.diff for real from VCS [19:50] rgreening: why did kubuntu_63_ksplash_fix.diff not get upstreamed? [19:50] workspace that is === Guest79416 is now known as ulysses__ [19:51] apachelogger: is it possible to use an i386 plattform together with amd64 with icecc? [19:52] neversfelde: as long as the i386 is the target, I suppose so [19:52] neversfelde: better read up on the opensuse wiki page about icecream [19:53] mhh, it is an i386 chroot on a amd64 machine and the scheduler runs on an i386 machine, but jobs are not exported to the other machine, wehn running pbuilder in the chroot [19:53] although icemon shows both machines [19:53] apachelogger: already did, but it is very confusing and way to short [19:54] btw you can't use the icecc hook with the DIST=distro skript, probably worth to include a hint in the README [19:55] DIST=distro skript? [19:55] apachelogger: the one which is include in the pbuilderrc from the MOTU docs [19:56] bah [19:56] motu docs [19:56] :) [19:56] only trust the ninjas and only follow certified ninja docs [19:57] seriously most scripts out there are more than doubtable [19:57] like the one which is supposed to detect binary blob [19:57] while indeed it's output is mostly crap [19:58] of course my reimplementation is superior in any possible way [20:00] hehe :) [20:02] What's the difference between MOTU and Ninja? [20:06] ninja are shadows in the night, turning out kde packages like flashing Shuriken in the night [20:06] motu are just "normal" ;) [20:13] Speaking of MOTU: kdenlive, mlt, mlt++ could all stand some updating in Karmic. [20:15] I can have a look at kdenlive [20:17] apachelogger: I uploaded a new kodama package to revu [20:17] and bug #398900 also needs a sponsor [20:17] Launchpad bug 398900 in ubuntu "[needs packaging] plasma-widget-lastfm" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398900 [20:19] neversfelde: Great. In addition to mlt/mlt++ (update these first) there are some plugins too that we have the IIRC Debian doesn't that should also be checked. [20:20] k [20:20] neversfelde: frei0r-plugins [20:20] * ScottK looked it up and everything [20:53] oho, that icecc thing is working [21:14] has anyone noted some colored rectangles on krfb [21:15] (where there shouldn't be colored rectangles) [21:24] wow so i didnt know plasma review board rejected the kickoff avatar patch.. was this posted to the devel list? [21:24] kubuntu-devel [21:25] kickoff avatar? [21:26] hiho [21:26] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/389744 [21:26] Ubuntu bug 389744 in kdebase-workspace "Fix avatar in KDE menu to be next to username" [Low,In progress] [21:26] dave siegel said it got rejected for "breaking visual consistency" [21:26] what's up? [21:26] they rejected it?! [21:26] lol [21:27] hm that is knda weird that its next to search instead of my name [21:27] what's my picture have to do with searching? [21:27] yeah exactly [21:28] that guy must have been drunk [21:28] srsly [21:28] http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/870/ [21:28] which both Jonathan's and the proposed 2 line option are fine [21:28] the existing solution makes no sense [21:29] search icon? [21:29] i dont know what aaron's talking about. search is just text, no icon [21:31] the binoculars icon next to search [21:31] see the first screenshot linked in review board [21:31] uh...i dont see that in karmic [21:31] SVN [21:32] not Karmic [21:32] ah ok [21:32] i think the second linked screenshot is what is acceptable but JJanz doesnt know how to implement it [21:32] er...i only see 1 screenshot. it says "after" below it [21:33] on reviewboard. or should i be looking at lp? [21:33] review board.. it is a link [21:33] http://juniorjanz.net/files/avatar2.png [21:34] seele: don't know if I said it or not, but congrats btw :) [21:34] oh ok gotcha [21:34] oh yeah congrats on the boardship! [21:35] I am fairly certain my vote went to you :) [21:35] anyone wanna explain to me how this reviewboard thing works? [21:35] what's "base diff path"? [21:35] and "change number"? [21:36] (trying to submit patches. failing.) [21:36] maco: it doesn't work, that is the fun part about it :p [21:36] well how's it *supposed* to work? [21:36] nixternal: thanks [21:36] base diff path is where at in the dir structure you created the patch I believe [21:36] maco: thanks too [21:37] and the change number is the revision of the checkout that you created the diff on [21:37] iirc that is how it goes [21:37] but I haven't used it in quite some time [21:38] ok. how do i get svn to tell me what revision i checked out? [21:38] bug #399001 needs a sponsor [21:38] Launchpad bug 399001 in mlt "Please sync libmlt1 from debian unstable (0.4.4-2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/399001 [21:38] hope I did it right [21:38] svn info will tell you the revision you are working on [21:38] thanks [21:38] or you stop using bash, setup zsh with zsh-lovers and that way there you will always know what revision and branch you are working in :) [21:39] so my path would be: trunk/KDE/kdebase ? [21:39] (in the kdebase example) [21:39] sounds right to me [21:40] ok thank youi [21:40] if you ran diff from there yes [21:40] or it could be 'trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace' [21:40] and such [21:40] loks like js is needed [21:40] i ran "svn diff" from there [21:45] what is the purpose of having friends on opendesktop.org? [21:45] I keep getting requests from you nutjobs :p [21:46] uh, forget about mlt, it needs some more deps, can I unsubscribe the universe sponsors? [21:47] neversfelde: you should be able to, I can do it if you can't though [21:47]