[00:00] <kklimonda> hmm.. Ademan: you could ask doko (Matthias Klose) about status of Eclipse in Debian/Ubuntu. I can see that he has done some work 2 weeks ago in package's repository
[00:01] <billybigrigger_> if the package is in debian unstable you can file a merge request
[00:01] <kklimonda> it isn't
[00:28] <Protector1981> anyone has this problem? http://protector.pastebin.com/m746e0093
[02:26] <veck> any wat to configure ubuntu specificly for my machinr?
[02:27] <veck> cannot remeber what its called but it is done through terminal?
[04:15] <syn-ack> Good evening
[04:17] <syn-ack> question... which kernel version has been decided upon for the freeze?
[04:19] <RAOF> We currently have 2.6.31.  I believe that is the version we plan to ship.
[04:19] <rww> Yeah, I've heard 2.6.31 too.
[04:20] <RAOF> There's a page on the Ubuntu wiki about it if you want something official.
[04:20] <syn-ack> ah, ok, the last I had heard they wernt sure if it was going to .31 or .32 so I figured I would ask
[04:26]  * DanaG wonders when 2.3.31-rc3 will be.
[04:27] <DanaG> http://osdir.com/ml/linux-kernel/2009-07/msg02581.html
[04:27] <DanaG> I need this fixed.  =þ
[04:27] <syn-ack> Dana, I rather prefer and miss the Old Kernel Release Schedule
[04:29] <DanaG> What's that?
[04:29] <syn-ack> Odds and evens.
[04:30] <DanaG> er
[04:30] <DanaG> s/3/6/
[04:30] <syn-ack> Two seperate branches, not developing off the current stable branch, you know smart shit like that
[04:30] <DanaG> Can't say I'd noticed much of a change.
[04:31] <syn-ack> DanaG: heh
[04:31] <syn-ack> I havce
[04:31] <syn-ack> have, too
[04:31] <syn-ack> 2.6.6 is one prime example
[04:31] <DanaG> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13659
[04:32] <syn-ack> DanaG: Of course, thats just my two cents
[04:48] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18047
[04:48] <DanaG> hah, gotta' love the ignorant bashing of PulseAudio... which happens to be one way to fix exactly the problem the person gripes about.
[04:54] <syn-ack> DanaG: I personally dont see the need for Pulse
[04:54] <DanaG> It's awesome for multi-audio-device stuff.
[04:54] <syn-ack> ah
[04:54] <DanaG> And for remixing M streams to N speakers.
[04:54] <syn-ack> yeah, I dont do any of that, so yeah...
[04:54] <RAOF> Or for streaming across the network.
[04:54] <DanaG> Where M != N.
[04:56] <syn-ack> Someone wanna tell me if I'm blind or if there really is no config menu entry for gdm in Karmic...
[04:56] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I tried the AirPort Express support, and it had rather horrid (1.5 second!) lag.
[04:57] <syn-ack> DanaG: on a brighter note, the ath5k driver is sooooo much nicer than in mainline. :P
[04:59]  * DanaG has an Intel 5300.
[05:02] <syn-ack> So, am I just blind or can one not configure the GDM login screen or even customise it...
[05:02] <DanaG> You can, but it's not obvious how.
[05:03] <syn-ack> So how would I go about it?
[05:03] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1202843&page=42
[05:07] <syn-ack> Hrm
[05:07] <syn-ack> I dont seem to have the extension installed for gnome control center
[05:08] <DanaG> Try xterm instead of gnome-control-center
[05:08] <DanaG> then you can run gnome-appearance-preferences or gconf-editor from there.
[05:12] <syn-ack> Dana I did fire up from commandline as per that wiki entry
[05:12] <syn-ack> this is the error I got: http://meskes.pastebin.com/d53365b38
[05:14] <DanaG> Is your desktop AT the login screen?
[05:14] <DanaG> It has to actually be sitting at the login screen for it to work.
[05:15] <syn-ack> ugh, ok
[05:15] <syn-ack> standby
[05:15] <syn-ack> yeah, no dice...
[05:16] <syn-ack> All Im trying to do is reset my autologin
[05:17] <DanaG> Oh, that's a bit different.
[05:17] <DanaG> That needs the gdm custom.conf file.
[05:17] <DanaG> http://www.perturb.org/display/entry/812/
[05:18] <syn-ack> aha, great. Thanks.
[05:25] <syn-ack> Not quite as gracefull as I was hoping
[05:34]  * DanaG likes his funky compiz profile.
[05:35] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Dana_Compiz.profile
[05:35] <DanaG> Actually, quick way to get a sense of how it's set: open it as a text file.
[05:40] <syn-ack> hrm
[05:40] <syn-ack> this kinda irritating, actually
[05:42] <DanaG> what?
[05:42] <DanaG> oh, and it's a good idea to export your own profile for safekeeping, just for the heck of it.
[05:43] <syn-ack> Just trying to get gdm to work like it did before I upgraded
[05:43] <DanaG> Or for in case you ever accidentally choose one of the options in Appearance Properties window.
[05:43] <syn-ack> DanaG: I do that on all my systems at first install
[05:43] <DanaG> Ah.  Yeah, GDM has changed a lot.
[05:43] <DanaG> I find my profile has a nifty mix of "shinyness" and not-insanity.
[05:44] <syn-ack> I get an error regarding simple-window something or another as well, and I'm trying to figure that one out
[05:44] <syn-ack> and its a gdm error too... quite irritating
[05:44] <DanaG> yeah, that one is from metacity.
[05:44] <syn-ack> Im not even using metacity though
[05:45] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gdm/+bug/395324
[05:45] <syn-ack> Im using compiz/fusion
[05:45] <DanaG> GDM is, though.
[05:45] <syn-ack> I had it set up to use compiz
[05:45] <syn-ack> so, either way it was doing it
[05:45] <DanaG> Checkbox for gdm using compiz... didn't actually work.
[05:46] <syn-ack> No wonder I couldnt find that metacity error looking at this...
[05:47] <syn-ack> /usr/share/blah/blah/mile_long$PATH
[05:51] <syn-ack> wow, ok, cool. Fixed enough for gov't work
[05:51] <syn-ack> Thanks for the help DanaG
[05:52] <DanaG> Or alternately:
[05:52] <DanaG> symlink that metacity.desktop to the compiz.desktop
[05:52] <DanaG> wherever that may be.
[05:52] <syn-ack> nah, this works well enough
[05:55] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot.png
[05:57] <syn-ack> That right there, is more or less the EXACT same way I have mine set up
[06:01] <DanaG> oh yeah, the globe thingy with question-mark is service-discovery-applet.
[06:01] <DanaG> oh, and for some reason, the full battery is showing the "empty" icon.
[06:04] <syn-ack> hrm
[06:17] <DanaG> I like having a non-glossy theme.  Much easier on the eyes.
[06:17] <DanaG> Oh, and high-dpi display for-the-win.
[06:18] <DanaG> Desktop font is set to 9 pt, 147 DPI.  Real display is... 147 DPI.
[06:18] <DanaG> Just as it should be.
[06:38] <andresmh> I had set up synchronization on Tomboy using a local folder. I reinstalled Ubuntu and I pointed Tomboy to the same folder and it fails synching. Error message is empty. ANy ideas?
[08:12] <Ademan> kklimonda: hrm yeah, I don't actually even use eclipse, i was just going to play around with pydev for fun, but day to day i use vim... it seems like *someone* has got to need eclipse though, I can't believe no one's stepped up...
[08:14] <kklimonda> Ademan: afair it's a hard package to build from source and maintain
[08:14] <kklimonda> Ademan: it's easier to unpack it to ~/eclipse/
[08:17] <LLStarks> this bug needs to die: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7607475
[08:20] <RAOF> Also, eclipse _also_ builds libswt-gtk, so it needs special care in order to not break lots of other software.
[08:51] <Alocado> hello
[08:52] <Alocado> i'm using karmic and have a problem booting the 2.6.31-* kernels, i get an error message like "ata1: illegal qc_active transition".. anybody who knows about this error?
[09:04] <eagles0513875> Alocado: ask in ubuntu-kernel
[09:07] <Alocado> k
[09:08] <Alocado> third try ;)
[11:29] <Lademord> woohoo, I'
[11:29] <Lademord> ve just had system sound for the first time in THREE YEARS!
[11:31] <Lademord> Also, every time I boot up karmic I get some kind of warning about gdm-simple-greeter not supporting session-something and having to be restarted..
[11:32] <|ns|nR8> thats normal Lademord
[11:32] <Lademord> Ah okay
[11:32] <Lademord> I assume it'll be fixed before rc though :)
[11:32] <|ns|nR8> yep
[11:33] <|ns|nR8> windows 7 and 9.10 will be official within a week of each other
[11:33] <|ns|nR8> sounds like a good time to reformat the drive and start again
[11:34] <|ns|nR8> 3 months away
[11:39] <eagles0513875> hehe
[11:40] <Lademord> I'm running beta of both here :)
[11:42] <eagles0513875> nice i cant wait till win 7 comes out so i can get off vista and use my ram more efficiently
[11:42] <eagles0513875> i have 8gb in this desktop lol running vista 64bit atm
[11:43] <eagles0513875> guys has anyone tested out lmms on karmic yet
[11:45] <|ns|nR8> i got 4 gig ram..im still runnin 32 bit os's
[11:45] <|ns|nR8> ill make the switch in october
[11:46] <Lademord> I don't find Win7 as fantastic as everybody claims.. I've got several issues with stuff from XP which doesn't work anymore (or perhaps that's because I'm running 64bit now...)
[11:47] <|ns|nR8> 7 has better battery life on laptop...and loads faster, looks nicer
[11:47] <|ns|nR8> thats enough to convince me
[11:48] <|ns|nR8> more than 4 gig ram would be overkill for everyday use ?
[11:49] <|ns|nR8> only so much windows will cache in ram
[11:49] <Lademord> You can never have too much RAM
[11:49] <Lademord> :)
[11:49] <|ns|nR8> haha
[11:55] <eagles0513875> Lademord: you run with compatibility enabled
[11:55] <eagles0513875> Lademord: when using vista it uses 2gb outa the box
[11:55] <eagles0513875> for me at least
[11:55] <eagles0513875> then i have a tendency to multitask and i end up using 70% of the 8gb
[11:55] <Lademord> Okay that's just plain stupid.. An OS shouldn't use that much RAM on its own!
[11:56] <Lademord> I love Ubuntu for being relatively low on the requirements
[11:58] <amortvigil> does 9.10 may break my system of certanly break it?
[11:58] <amortvigil> certainly
[11:58] <|ns|nR8> vista will easy use 2 gig for pre caching data...when its only really needs 400MB
[11:58] <Lademord> amortvigil, It may break it. Alpha2 is still unstable as hell.
[11:58] <|ns|nR8> the alpha is certainly messed up
[11:59] <amortvigil> to bad
[11:59] <Lademord> ..but I upgraded anyway because after three years of waiting ALSA now finally supports my sound card!
[11:59] <amortvigil> because 9.04 is still unusable to me
[11:59] <amortvigil> some network errors
[11:59] <|ns|nR8> latest kernel version supports some features in my hardware for the first time aswell
[11:59] <amortvigil> wich cause my system to break
[11:59] <yofel> amortvigil: you should try it out in a virtual machine first to check if you can use it
[12:00] <yofel> then you might want to think about upgrading
[12:00] <amortvigil> yofel: smart idea
[12:00] <yofel> My Thinkpad can finally suspend without errors after 2 years of using ubuntu
[12:01] <amortvigil> is there a new artwork?
[12:01] <yofel> it got better with jaunty, but karmic really fixed it.
[12:01] <amortvigil> what kind of errors are the worst at the moment?
[12:01] <yofel> amortvigil: not that much, the only big change is that GDM can't be configured by GUI
[12:02] <amortvigil> lol
[12:02] <amortvigil> and does the new boot method work?
[12:02] <eagles0513875> there is also the big annoyance at least on kde the plasma-widget-network-manager wont connecto to wpa encrypted wifi connections
[12:03] <yofel> hm, then there's the transition from hal to devicekit that's messing with drive mounting...
[12:04] <yofel> ok, g-p-m seems to be finally fixed here with todays update and doesn't crash anymore
[12:04] <|ns|nR8> prolly be a hug mess till beta
[12:04] <|ns|nR8> again
[12:05] <yofel> true
[12:07] <Lademord> When's the beta planned for?
[12:07] <|ns|nR8> start of oct
[12:11] <Lademord> damn
[12:11] <Lademord> that's a very long time
[12:12] <yofel> Lademord: see the karmic release schedule in the topic
[12:29] <eagles0513875> anyone else trying out the google chrome daily builds
[12:30] <yofel> eagles0513875: the chromium ones yes
[12:30] <eagles0513875> yofel: is the reaload button working and other stuff like that for ya
[12:30] <eagles0513875> cuz for me they arent working for some reason
[12:32] <yofel> eagles0513875: the build from yesterday works fine here
[12:32] <eagles0513875> strange the one in the ppa then is broken
[12:32] <eagles0513875> or incomplete cuz refresh isnt working for me either that or the ia32libs are bugged
[12:46] <Q-FUNK> apw: please let me know if you need any more info to solve bug #396286 :)
[12:48] <eagles0513875> hey yofel you running 32bit or 64bit
[12:51] <yofel> eagles0513875: 64
[12:52] <eagles0513875> strange
[12:52] <eagles0513875> cuz im having issues and i am on 20090712r20470-0ubuntu1-ucd1 version of it
[12:54] <gnomefreak> Q-FUNK: the kernenl guys will let you know on the bug report what info is needed
[12:54] <Q-FUNK> gnomefreak: yes and that would be apw, who has responded to both of my kernel bug reports.
[12:55] <eagles0513875> yofel: when you installed karmic was it an upgrade from jaunty or clean install
[13:16] <yofel> eagles0513875: I first upgraded to karmic from jaunty short after alpha1, then did a clean install of alpha2 a few days ago because some things were broken beyond repair.
[13:16] <eagles0513875> ya seems like chomium is broken cuz i upgraded from jaunty to karmic
[13:16] <eagles0513875> does this warrent a bug report
[13:55] <Lademord> yofel I'm considering doing a clean install of alpha2 as well in order to get rid of any redundant code (including OSS) that has been left behind from jaunty
[13:56] <eagles0513875> hey BluesKaj
[13:56] <eagles0513875> last i heard though the cd wasnt working for alpha 2
[13:56]  * maxb notes that it's less than 2 weeks until alpha 3
[13:57] <BluesKaj> hi folks
[13:57] <BluesKaj> hi eagles
[14:02] <yofel> the cd for alpha 2 works fine (at least from usb, thats all i tested). The dialy images are broken all the time
[14:02] <yofel> hi BluesKaj
[14:03] <BluesKaj> hi yofel
[14:04] <BluesKaj> hmm, I just upgrade everyday , every thing seems ok , except plasma still crashes , but recovers on it own
[14:14] <cbr> hello
[14:15] <yofel> hi cbr
[14:15] <cbr> the "Starting kernel event manager" stage of the boot returns [fail] 70% of times
[14:15] <cbr> which makes stuff not work obviously
[14:15] <cbr> what could be the problem?
[14:24] <cbr> also, logrotate doesn't work
[14:24] <cbr> my logs are 200MB+ in size
[14:34] <eagles0513875> what version of qt is in karmic
[14:34] <eagles0513875> !qt
[14:35] <eagles0513875> !info qt
[14:35] <maxb> eagles0513875: Use packages.ubuntu.com or rmadison
[14:35] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:37] <eagles0513875> maxb: i know bout those sites but there are quite a few qt packages available in regards to qt4
[15:07] <BluesKaj> hey oldude67 , welcome !
[15:07] <oldude67> hello
[15:08] <BluesKaj> nice to see other older ppl with an interest in Linux
[15:15] <eagles0513875> heheh BluesKaj :)
[15:15] <eagles0513875> what ya working on today BluesKaj
[15:17] <BluesKaj> actually I'm waiting for the rain to stop , so I can go out to fix some window trim that's come loose :)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> other than that I'm enjoying some coffee
[15:24] <eagles0513875> coffee is always good
[15:24] <eagles0513875> have you given chromium-browsers a spin yet
[15:25] <JonDoe297> eagles0513875: I heard that it has a flash support now
[15:25] <eagles0513875> ya but im having some issues with it im starting to think its related to the upgrade from jaunty to karmic i did
[15:26] <eagles0513875> here is the link to the ppa for it https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[15:26] <JonDoe297> I know about it, but thanks :)
[15:26] <eagles0513875> no prob
[15:26] <JonDoe297> I tried Chrome a few days ago, but dropped it
[15:26] <eagles0513875> are you on a clean install of karmic or upgraded version
[15:26] <JonDoe297> upgraded from jaunty
[15:27] <eagles0513875> did you have issues with  some of the buttons cuz i am havin gsome issues with the refresh button not working
[15:27] <eagles0513875> hey BluesKaj welcome back
[15:27] <JonDoe297> nope
[15:28] <eagles0513875> interesting
[15:28] <JonDoe297> I have some strange issues with my keyboard and mouse, but it's not Ubuntu-related methink :)
[15:28] <eagles0513875> hehe
[15:28] <maxb> clean installs are massively overrated
[15:28] <JonDoe297> so, about Chromium
[15:28] <JonDoe297> I dropped it because of horrible font rendering :(
[15:28] <eagles0513875> strange
[15:29] <maxb> Except for one point where I *had* to reinstall to switch from i386 to amd64, I've gone step-by-step all the way from dapper->karmic
[15:29] <eagles0513875> nice but you try out chromium-browser
[15:29] <JonDoe297> I think that I will try it tommorow
[15:30] <eagles0513875> how can i run chromium-browser through gdb it was saying something about not being an executable
[15:32] <JonDoe297> maxb: and how are you with amd64? :)
[15:32] <maxb> ?
[15:32] <yofel> eagles0513875: you could try to attach gdb to the process after starting chromium
[15:32] <JonDoe297> I mean, overall experience :) Faster than i386, etc?
[15:33] <eagles0513875> ok
[15:33] <eagles0513875> i was trying to do gdb chromium-browser and then use r to run it
[15:33] <eagles0513875> JonDoe297: 64bit = nice but there some things still missing which are now getting fixed like flash being one
[15:33] <JonDoe297> oh, flash
[15:33] <eagles0513875> they now have 64bit for it though
[15:36] <eagles0513875> ok thats messed up now it seems to work
[15:36] <eagles0513875> so no issue here then
[15:37] <JonDoe297> eagles0513875: have you tried Namoroka?
[15:37] <JonDoe297> I'm using it now :)
[15:38] <eagles0513875> ?
[15:38] <eagles0513875> wtf is that
[15:38] <JonDoe297> "Firefox 3.6"
[15:38] <JonDoe297> but for now, it's branded as Minefield :)
[15:39] <arand_> I'm getting some errors updating update-motd: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/216980/
[15:39] <eagles0513875> im on 3.5 i believe
[15:40] <JonDoe297> I still have old Firefox (3.0.11) for backup :)
[15:41] <eagles0513875> hehe
[15:44] <Lademord> I still have old firefox for backup because I don't dare delete it out of fear that my computer explodes or something
[15:52] <eagles0513875> heheh Lademord chromium is working now refresh wise
[16:07] <Lademord> I know it has probably been discussed a thousand times before, but why is there both Chromium and Chrome? Which is best?
[16:08] <JMFTheVCI> Just updated with the latest set of fixes. When I perform an administrative task (eg synaptic) via the menus I am prompted for my password which it then says is incorrect. Yet if I do the same with sudo synaptic in a terminal it accepts my password. Anyone seen this?
[16:09] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: karmic? what does the terminal print if you run "gksu id" ?
[16:09] <JonDoe297> Lademord: Chromium is for "daily testing", Chrome is more "stable"
[16:09] <JonDoe297> or I'm wrong?
[16:11] <JMFTheVCI> mvo: If I start a new terminal it prompts me for my password which it believes is wrong. If I do sudo gksu id then it works (but obviously responds uid=0)
[16:11] <JMFTheVCI> The sudo accepts my password.
[16:12] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: no output from gksu id when the password is (said to be) wrong?
[16:12] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: what version libgksu2-0 do you use?
[16:14] <JMFTheVCI> mvs: libgksu2-0-1ubuntu
[16:14] <JMFTheVCI> (karmic alpha 2 + fixes to date)
[16:14] <arand_> JMFTheVCI: I'm having the exact same issue here
[16:14] <JMFTheVCI> Aha! not alone!
[16:16] <JMFTheVCI> mvo: the last two attempts at gksu id with a clean (closed & re-opened) terminal have been returning uid=0
[16:18] <JMFTheVCI> also I am getting a crash report about something but I cannot report it because my password is not being accepted!
[16:18] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: libgksu2-0-1ubuntu <- which ubuntu revision is that, its most likely got cut off from dpkg, dpkg -l libgksu2-0 |more should display all of it
[16:18] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: do you get the prompt back when you run "sudo -k" ?
[16:18] <arand_> mvo: JMFTheVCI: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/217001/ << output from gksu -d id
[16:19] <JMFTheVCI> mvo 2.0.12-1ubuntu2
[16:20] <mvo> arand_: thanks - hm, so this is what it prints and it does display a dialog?
[16:21] <JMFTheVCI_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/217007/
[16:21] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: thanks - this problem smelled a lot like a bug that got fixed in the -1ubuntu2 version. but it appears that this is no tthe case (at least for you)
[16:21] <mvo> anything uncommon in your sudo config?
[16:21] <JMFTheVCI> not changed from default installation
[16:21] <arand_> arand_: That is the output of one failed attmept and then cancel... but I actually think that that is the standard output from it...
[16:22]  * arand_ wonders why he is speaking to himself
[16:23] <eagles0513875> hahah arand
[16:24] <JMFTheVCI> mvo: when I enter "sudo -k" I am returned to my standard "$" prompt.
[16:24] <eagles0513875> JMFTheVCI: same issue with sudo -i
[16:24] <arand_> mvo: http://pastebin.com/f55bf56b8
[16:25] <JMFTheVCI> eagles...: "sudo -i" prompts for password, and accepts it, then tells me about ubuntu software being free.
[16:25] <eagles0513875> but are you in root JMFTheVCI
[16:25] <arand_> mvo: nothing strange as far as I can tell...
[16:25] <eagles0513875> and i can confirum that sudo -k takes ya back ot the standard prompt
[16:26] <mvo> arand_, JMFTheVCI: I do a fresh test install (automatic, will take ~30min or so) and check out if I can reproduce it, thanks
[16:27] <JMFTheVCI> eagles: no I am just me (uid=500)
[16:27] <JMFTheVCI> sorry uid=1000
[16:28] <eagles0513875> strange
[16:28] <eagles0513875> anyway i have to go for now :( but ill bbl
[16:28] <arand_> already three bugs on lp about it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gksu/+bug/398849 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gksu/+bug/398800
[16:30] <JMFTheVCI> arand_: tried a search but not with the right words. Those are most certainly matching.
[16:31] <JMFTheVCI> "gksudo gedit" fails. "sudo gedit" works.
[16:32] <JMFTheVCI> mvo: when running "gksudo gedit" in terminal, "GNOME_SUDO_PASS" is seen followed by "sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts"
[16:33] <arand_> gonna mark as confirmed for now.
[16:34] <yofel> cool, my wifi firmware locked up o.O  1690 root      15  -5     0    0    0 R  100  0.0  16:33.92 iwlagn
[16:34] <Supersaiyan_IV> yofel, that happens quite a lot with iwlagn
[16:34] <yofel> Supersaiyan_IV: first time for me that it gets 100%
[16:35] <yofel> or maybe I just got lucky till now ^^
[16:35] <Supersaiyan_IV> yofel, look at bug #275359
[16:35] <yofel> Supersaiyan_IV: thx
[16:43] <robin0800> JMFTheVCI: gksu gedit works
[16:44] <charlie-tca> robin0800: with today's updates?
[16:45]  * arand_ marks another dupe
[16:45] <charlie-tca> broken here, bug 398849
[16:46] <JMFTheVCI> robin0800: gksu gedit does not work. sodo gedit does work
[16:46] <JMFTheVCI> The problem appears to be in gksu as bug 398849 indicates.
[16:48] <robin0800> JMFTheVCI: I updated this morning but just checked now and there is a lot more will update and try again
[16:48] <charlie-tca> I just ran those updates here. gksu stays broken, can't use Synaptic Package Manager either
[16:51] <robin0800> I have to reboot
[16:52] <Sarvatt> hmm shutdown and restart are broken here too
[16:52] <Sarvatt> (via gnome menus)
[16:53] <JonDoe297> Sarvatt: yeah, I've just tried to restart a few minutes ago, and no luck :)
[17:25] <michaelfavia> update-manager and synaptic keep attempting ot perform upgrades to the koala alpha im runing that remve system meta packages like "system-services", etc. i realize this might be a sideeffect of not having the deps inline yet. whould i allow it to happen or wait till it isnt required anymore?
[17:26] <michaelfavia> just wanted to know what the normal workflow was.
[17:31] <charlie-tca> michaelfavia: I run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade once or twice a day, and just let karmic update what it wants to
[17:32] <charlie-tca> As packages are changed, some of those will not be used anymore
[17:32] <michaelfavia> charlie-tca, understood. just wanted to make sure that certain deps werent temporarily ditched by the reconciliation tools.
[17:32] <michaelfavia> will do then
[17:33] <charlie-tca> Can't be sure of anything in alpha
[17:33] <michaelfavia> of course. but i wanted to knwo how everyone else tracked it
[17:33] <michaelfavia> meaning what the most desirable/supported fashion was
[17:33] <Sarvatt> karmic-changes mailing list is how i check if its intended or not
[17:34] <michaelfavia> Sarvatt, should subscribe then... good call
[17:34] <michaelfavia> thx
[17:34] <charlie-tca> Changes come is so fast at times, you just update and hope it works. Todays updates broke gksu
[17:34] <Sarvatt> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives//karmic-changes/2009-July/date.html
[17:42] <michaelfavia> brb restart now :)
[18:22] <rski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/374250
[18:22] <rski> reported this way back
[18:27] <charlie-tca> rski: Maybe you could expain more in the report what the actual problem is. All I see is a couple of questions
[18:29] <rski> i can't use svgalib-apps
[18:34] <kholerabbi1> rski: you could include simple steps to reproduce the issue
[18:38] <Zorael^2> Should all packages that are supposed to be present in Karmic have hit the repos already? I.e, is a package present in Jaunty and mising in Karmic just saying that "it's not done yet", or is it worthy of a bug/wishlist report?
[18:38] <Zorael^2> (xshodo)
[18:50] <arand_> I'm failing to  update update-motd: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/216980/
[19:04] <Zorael^2> arand: 'sudo service update-motd stop', then 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[19:11] <Regel> So, how stable is 9.10 atm? Im considering installing it as a primary system on my laptop
[19:11] <rski> expect it to brake
[19:11] <Regel> i still got my desktop, though, so no worries
[19:12] <yofel> Regel: I use it as my primary desktop, but stable: no
[19:12] <billybigrigger_> its pretty stable for an alpha imo
[19:12] <Regel> more stable than 9.04 at the same point?
[19:12] <billybigrigger_> i haven't had any showstopper problems here........yet
[19:12] <billybigrigger_> :P
[19:12] <yofel> billybigrigger_: well, if you don't count gdm and devkit - yes :P
[19:13] <SeveredCross> GDM is pretty unstable.
[19:13] <billybigrigger_> how so? no problems here with it
[19:13] <billybigrigger_> except for the gdm-greeter bug
[19:14] <SeveredCross> Actually, it might be X.
[19:14] <SeveredCross> But I often get dropped back to GDM randomly.
[19:14] <billybigrigger_> intel/ati/nvidia?
[19:14] <charlie-tca> gtk is breaking a lot of things, too
[19:14] <yofel> charlie-tca: wasn't most of that fixed already?
[19:14] <SeveredCross> ATI.
[19:14] <protector1981> gdm doesnt work on my laptop :(
[19:14] <protector1981> intel graphics
[19:14] <Regel> :(
[19:15] <protector1981> but have karmic notebook not here ;)
[19:15] <billybigrigger_> SeveredCross, is that an ati only thing? nvidia here, and i have once been dropped back to gdm
[19:15] <charlie-tca> blank cd's don't get recognized, I think the fix for gksu is out now
[19:15] <SeveredCross> billybigrigger_: Might be.
[19:15] <yofel> well, on my eeePC, intel graphics got much better with karmic
[19:15] <charlie-tca> Also, gnumeric is broken because of gtk
[19:15] <yofel> UXA is much more stable and works fine together with KMS here
[19:15] <billybigrigger_> SeveredCross, i read that again, i meant, i have yet once been dropped back, meaning never
[19:16] <billybigrigger_> SeveredCross, too early :P
[19:17] <billybigrigger_> gdm updates are coming
[19:17] <Sarvatt> theres some major backend changes being done (devicekit transition, moving things from hal to udev, policykit-1), i'd say its a little less unstable than jaunty at the same time personally but there arent any really major things that make it unusable on any of my systems
[19:17] <billybigrigger_> seems quite a few bug fixes
[19:18] <Sarvatt> oh yeah and gdm getting upgraded from the 1.5 year old version in jaunty of course :)
[19:19] <Sarvatt> less less stable, sorry
[19:20] <Lademord> Is there any guarantee that alpha3 is more stable than alpha2? (i.e. if I wait until alpha3 to do a clean install, will I risk breaking something that worked with alpha2?)
[19:21] <billybigrigger_> should technically have less problems
[19:21] <Lademord> cool
[19:21] <billybigrigger_> but...who knows
[19:21] <hggdh> but nothing is guaranteed
[19:21] <billybigrigger_> exactly
[19:21] <Sarvatt> no real reason to wait, its just a snapshot in time that you could have by upgrading along the way :D
[19:21] <Lademord> Nah, I know. It is, after all, just alpha
[19:22] <charlie-tca> but the risk is always there if running alpha. If it worked yesterday, it might break today
[19:22] <Lademord> Sarvatt, I want to do a clean install to get rid of redundant code (and OSS) from jaunty
[19:22] <billybigrigger_> Lademord, what Sarvatt said, a clean install of an A2 disk upgraded will be the EXACT same system as a clean install of A3
[19:22] <Sarvatt> you could download a daily livecd and install from there
[19:23] <charlie-tca> The new libgksu update is out. It fixes the gksu issue
[19:23] <Sarvatt> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[19:24] <Sarvatt> i would wait until tomorrows image though
[19:24] <Lademord> Cool. I'll try that
[19:24] <Lademord> Sarvatt, why is that?
[19:24] <Sarvatt> unless you want to upgrade right after installing :D
[19:24] <billybigrigger_> Sarvatt, hey, how often is linus's tree updated? http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/35294/ has a patch for my camera module and some more gspca stuff....but i haven't seen it anywhere else, i guess i could patch the files myself and recompile yes?
[19:24] <Lademord> ah, in that way
[19:24] <Sarvatt> that gksu problem people were talking about
[19:25] <Sarvatt> there were a _ton_ of upgrades today since that image
[19:25] <billybigrigger_> 60+mb for me
[19:26] <hggdh> billybigrigger_: it depends on the kernel maintainers; here we will usually wait for a RC; if a kernel fix is critical enough, it may be cherry picked, thou
[19:26] <billybigrigger_> meh, ill wait for rc3
[19:27] <Lademord> Sarvatt, when is the image updated?
[19:28] <Sarvatt> every morning
[19:28] <Sarvatt> same time thats listed there
[19:29] <yofel> hm, any reason why the mainline builds of 2.6.31-rc1/2 are amd64 only?
[19:29] <Sarvatt> because i915 wasnt building against the gcc version they used to build them, its fixed now
[19:29] <yofel> ah ok :)
[19:29] <Sarvatt> theres a rc1-fixed on there
[19:30] <Sarvatt> you're in a karmic channel though, why are you using those on karmic? :D
[19:32] <yofel> Sarvatt: was just curious why there's no x86 build, I use them on my jaunty machine which is amd64 thankfully ;)
[19:32] <Sarvatt> they're made for jaunty and use the old jaunty configs
[19:32] <Sarvatt> ah, yeah you can get the mainline daily kernels for i386 if you need, rc3 will work when its released too
[19:33] <arand> Zorael^2: Cheers I'll try that (update-motd) when I get the can online again.
[19:38] <SwedeMike> anyone know anything about if karmic will include support for dhcpv6 so one can get dns-server etc using ipv6 only?
[19:38] <SwedeMike> 9.04 isn't really that good when it comes to v6 support
[19:45] <BUGabundo> bom fim de tarde :)
[19:46] <BUGabundo> sou gksu bitten us in the behind :(
[19:46] <BUGabundo> is it fixed yet?
[19:47] <Zorael^2> Is the OpenJDK 64-bit IcedTea java browser plugin working for anyone?
[19:49] <SeveredCross> Bleh. Anyone else experiencing issues with that ear candy applet?
[19:50] <SeveredCross> It really messes with my volume.
[19:53] <arand> BUGabundo: dunno if it's hit mirrors yet.
[19:53] <BUGabundo> I use main
[19:53] <BUGabundo> but thanks arand
[19:53] <BUGabundo> haven't seen you around much
[19:53] <BUGabundo> yofel: eheh I got 200 load avg yesterday
[19:54] <BUGabundo> something is REALLY BAD
[19:54] <yofel> BUGabundo: hehe, I left my notebook running and the load went down to ~1800...
[19:55] <yofel> have to restart now though, my wifi firmware got stuck *-.-
[19:55] <yofel> i suspect the 'linux-firmware' update today at fault for that...
[19:56] <BUGabundo> I'm suspectign NM
[19:57] <BUGabundo> yofel: using 0.7, 0.7.1 or 0.8?
[19:57] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo, do you have metacity listed in ps aux | grep metacity ?
[19:58] <BUGabundo> CPU | sys     65% | user     94% | irq       1% | idle     40% | wait      0% |
[19:58] <BUGabundo> cpu | sys     33% | user     48% | irq       0% | idle     18% | cpu000 w  0% |
[19:58] <BUGabundo> cpu | sys     33% | user     46% | irq       0% | idle     21% | cpu001 w  0% |
[19:58] <BUGabundo> CPL | avg1   0.69 | avg5    1.01 | avg15   0.97 | csw   132828 | intr   20320 |
[19:58] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: let me check
[19:58] <yofel> BUGabundo: 0.7.1
[19:58] <Sarvatt> its running and causing 100% cpu usage (split between core)
[19:58] <Sarvatt> when you have compiz enabled
[19:58] <Sarvatt> sudo killall -9 metacity should fix it if so
[19:58] <BUGabundo> $ top | grep metaci
[19:58] <BUGabundo>  5363 bugabund 6448 4952 150m  20   0 R  1.9  0.2   0:00.02 metacity
[19:58] <Sarvatt> yep
[19:58] <BUGabundo> I noticed on my bootcharts I have both metacity and compiz
[19:58] <BUGabundo> no idea why
[19:58] <Sarvatt> kill it, watch the cpu usage drop dramatically :)
[19:58] <Sarvatt> its a metacity bug
[19:58] <BUGabundo> DOWN
[19:58] <BUGabundo> WOW
[19:59] <Sarvatt> only happens when metacity is the default WM and you start compiz after
[19:59] <Sarvatt> theres a fix but it hasnt hit karmic yet
[19:59] <BUGabundo> be like this for 2 weeks :(((
[19:59] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: I've been using compiz as default since JJ
[19:59] <Sarvatt> its how you're starting it thats causing problems
[20:00] <Sarvatt> if you just have it set in appearance preferences it works fine
[20:00] <Sarvatt> but if you use fusion icon or anything that calls compiz --replace it hits the bug
[20:00] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gui-ufw/+bug/398945
[20:00] <BUGabundo> anyone with gufw broken too?
[20:00] <yofel> BUGabundo: seems you were right, /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart got iwlagn working again :)
[20:00] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: prob fusionicon
[20:00] <syn-ack> hrm
[20:00] <syn-ack> Seems to be a lot of updates today
[20:00] <syn-ack> mass push, eh?
[20:00] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: bug id ?
[20:01] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: let me change on Appearences
[20:01] <arand> seems like the gksu update is downloadable now.
[20:01] <BUGabundo> OOPPSSS
[20:01] <BUGabundo> accidentily clicked on a theme on Apparence
[20:01] <BUGabundo> anyway to get my old theme?
[20:02] <BUGabundo> killing theme or something ?
[20:02] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/389686
[20:02] <arand> BUGabundo: custom, unsaved theme?
[20:02] <BUGabundo> arand: errr yeah
[20:03] <arand> BUGabundo: in that case luck might be tough, as far as I know :(
[20:03] <BUGabundo> doh
[20:03] <BUGabundo> well then I guess its time I make a new one LOL
[20:04] <arand> BUGabundo: try clicking it back to "Ccustom" if it's still saved there...
[20:04] <BUGabundo> naa nothing there
[20:04] <BUGabundo> damn this is too bright
[20:05] <BUGabundo> and dark room is to dark
[20:05] <BUGabundo> lol
[20:05] <maxb> Hmm
[20:06] <maxb> I have an entry in my System Tools menu labelled HPLJ10xx Replaced Paper
[20:06] <maxb> that's not even grammatically correct
[20:07] <arand> maxb: me too, I just assumed it was something that'd got there when I was fiddling with print-drivers (which is a canon no less...)
[20:10] <Zorael^2> ick, daily live doesn't boot
[20:11] <Zorael^2> oh, there we go.
[20:13] <BUGabundo> can some one confirm or deny https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gui-ufw/+bug/398945 ?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> That HPLJ10xx Replaced Paper comes in by default now. It is in /usr/share/applications as a .desktop file
[20:15] <charlie-tca> I did file a bug to get rid of it
[20:15] <charlie-tca> It only applies if you have a HP LaserJet 1020 printer
[20:16] <maxb> oh, I just filed bug 398958 too
[20:16] <maxb> I don't see your bug open against foo2zjs
[20:18] <maxb> I don't think it being filed against ubuntu-meta makes much sense
[20:18] <charlie-tca> I didn't open it against foo, I opened it as bug 396271 against ubuntu-meta
[20:19] <charlie-tca> I think ubuntu-meta generates the .desktop files
[20:19] <maxb> no, it does not
[20:20] <charlie-tca> I think it is definitely more than just a poor name, anyway.
[20:20] <charlie-tca> What should it be under, then. It generates the menu item for all dirivatives
[20:22] <BUGabundo> anyone using kmail ? my won't open if foreground. it gets kicked to background process!
[20:23] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: you using kubuntu now?
[20:23] <billybigrigger_> hahaha rolf
[20:23] <billybigrigger_> sucker
[20:24] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: gnome with KDE apps
[20:24] <natewiebe13> with karmic's new gdm.. how do you change the background?
[20:24] <charlie-tca> Weeee! more fun than just one DE...
[20:24] <charlie-tca> natewiebe13: Don't believe you can yet
[20:25] <natewiebe13> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SM7jYphZ7U
[20:25] <arand> a HP LaserJet 1020 printer
[20:25] <natewiebe13> charlie-tca: that guy did
[20:25] <charlie-tca> That was back in alpha2, it has changed since then
[20:26] <BUGabundo> natewiebe13: I just hate to have another background image durign login !!!
[20:26] <BUGabundo> and I can't use autologin
[20:26] <BUGabundo> where the heck is the equivelent to the old gdm setup ???
[20:26] <yofel> natewiebe13: I found something for that in an freebsd thread, let me search for it
[20:26] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: they havent made one
[20:26] <BUGabundo> :((((((((((((((
[20:26] <BUGabundo> FAIL
[20:27] <Pici> bug 395299
[20:27] <Pici> BUGabundo: Please calm down.
[20:27] <BUGabundo> Pici: sorry.... my heart is beating fast
[20:27] <BUGabundo> I'm all over the place tonigh.... ill take a breath.....
[20:28] <BUGabundo> oohh bug id... thanks Pici
[20:28] <natewiebe13> charlie-tca: it was after updating from alpha 2.. but it is the exact same gdm as current
[20:30] <yofel> natewiebe13: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3814 -- open termina, login as root with 'sudo -i' and then do what it says in post #5 but exchange chpass with passwd
[20:31] <yofel> and replace the last line with 'passwd -d gdm'
[20:32] <BUGabundo> humm gconf key for GDM autologin. must find it
[20:33] <natewiebe13> yofel: thanks
[20:36] <BUGabundo> brb dinner
[20:37] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo: send some my way
[20:42] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: here is this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7605209 i think you could just do the opposite of his solution
[20:45] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[20:51] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt: after a git pull do i have to make-kpkg clean?
[20:52] <billybigrigger> or does that clean up whatever i just pulled?
[20:54] <reto`> use Mr. Clean? ;)
[20:55] <Sarvatt> just after you run make of any kind (make oldconfig or whatever)
[20:55] <BUGabundo> back
[20:59] <Sarvatt> you need to make oldconfig again after the pulls and make-kpkg clean before you build again
[21:00] <billybigrigger> ok
[21:03] <DanaG> I wish somebody would fix my mute LED issues.  =þ
[21:29] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: here is this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7605209 i think you could just do the opposite of his solution
[21:29] <BUGabundo> natewiebe13: ok
[21:29] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: just an idea
[21:34] <erisa__> I installed karmic daily build on my asus 1005ha to get networking working.  Can I use synaptic update to stay current or will that mess up my system.  Most things work fine now.
[21:35] <charlie-tca> erisa__: hard to say. Since it is still alpha, it changes pretty quickly.
[21:36] <yofel> erisa__: better than synaptic you should use 'sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade' in a terminal. That has the smallest risk of removing something important from your system.
[21:38] <erisa__> does safe upgrade do anything between alpha releases?
[21:38] <yofel> erisa__: in this case upgrade means installing updates ;)
[21:38] <BUGabundo> erisa__: yeah you can. but better use update-manager since synaptic may force some updates and break your system
[21:39] <BUGabundo> erisa__: we get updates hourly eheh
[21:39] <BUGabundo> yofel: better not scare a new devel user with CLI instrucions
[21:39] <BUGabundo> *even* if they are running a version that requires some knolage to get out of trouble
[21:41] <erisa__> I run gentoo on my desktop and don't have much experience with aptitude
[21:41] <natewiebe13> erisa__: this is an alpha version.. i think that is enough to mess up your system
[21:41] <yofel> well, if you say so. But aptitude is something every alpha user should at least know about ;)
[21:42] <natewiebe13> erisa__: as a precaution, i would have both jaunty and karmic installed so if karmic breaks, you have jaunty as backup
[21:42] <BUGabundo> or have a live cd ehehe
[21:42] <natewiebe13> true
[21:42] <yofel> for an eeePC more like an live usb drive :P
[21:43] <erisa__> so what do you guys do once you install a daily build?  Do you just reinstall periodically?
[21:43] <natewiebe13> update manager
[21:43] <natewiebe13> haha
[21:43] <natewiebe13> yofel: have a live harddisk
[21:44] <natewiebe13> haha
[21:44] <arand> erisa__: I normally install/upgrade once during devel cycle and then reinstall upon final release...
[21:44] <yofel> erisa__: just install updates with your preferred app every day
[21:45] <BUGabundo> my touchpad bug as been marked dupe of another from 2006 :(( https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/59867
[21:45] <yofel> won't fix?
[21:46] <yofel> ah, wrong package ^^
[21:46] <BUGabundo> see my prob?
[21:46] <BUGabundo> let me nag leann about it
[21:49] <yofel> BUGabundo: does it help to add psmouse to MODULES in /etc/default/acpi-support?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> no idea
[21:49] <BUGabundo> it does fix to unload and reload
[21:50] <BUGabundo> and Sarvatt said it would be fix on rc3
[21:50] <BUGabundo> so I can wait
[21:50] <BUGabundo> I just wish it also fixes my suspend crash
[21:50] <yofel> nvm then :P
[22:06] <billybigrigger> hello
[22:07] <BUGabundo> hey billybigrigger
[22:07] <billybigrigger> anyone alive?
[22:07] <billybigrigger> ping
[22:07] <yofel> billybigrigger: pong
[22:08] <ikonia> billybigrigger: many people
[22:08] <BUGabundo> pong
[22:08] <billybigrig> thanks
[22:08] <billybigrig> stupid chatzilla
[22:10] <billybigrig> Sarvatt: i didn't know x2's were phenom based
[22:10] <Sarvatt> they arent, but yours is
[22:11] <billybigrig> just the 7750's and 7780's?
[22:11] <billybigrig> err
[22:11] <billybigrig> 7850's
[22:11] <BUGabundo> some guys have such a nerd https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/398945
[22:11] <billybigrig> AMD Athlon(tm) 7750 Dual-Core Processor
[22:11] <Sarvatt> http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon-x2-7750.html
[22:12] <BUGabundo> look at that guys sugestion, for me to test an hidden download deb!
[22:13] <billybigrig> BUGabundo: a little fishy
[22:14] <billybigrig> might just be a tinyurl
[22:14] <billybigrig> who knows though
[22:15] <BUGabundo> billybigrig: I'll try it *if* I see the source :!
[22:23] <BUGabundo> did something change on gnome for karmic, not allowing apples to be dragged with mouse middle click?
[22:25] <arand> BUGabundo: Marcos is a gufw dev, but precaution are never wrong though..
[22:27] <BUGabundo> did something change on gnome for karmic, not allowing apples to be dragged with mouse middle click? (I hate repeating my self)
[22:29] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: do you have your karmic with you ?
[22:29] <BUGabundo> come one guys ! some one drag an applet and let me know if it works!
[22:29] <BUGabundo> remember to unlock first
[22:33] <arand> BUGabundo: icon dragging works for me, but then again I have not pushed in latest gnome-panel update...
[22:34] <BUGabundo> I can't do it for any applet for one week
[22:38] <charlie-tca> I have the latest updates in Xubuntu and can drag things
[22:39] <maxb> apples!?
[22:39] <maxb> oh, applets?
[22:39]  * charlie-tca is not sure what apples are
[22:39] <maxb> oh, neat, I didn't know you could drag applets with middlebutton
[22:39] <maxb> thanks BUGabundo! :-)
[22:40]  * maxb updates .....
[22:40] <BUGabundo> arand: I got this on identica: "jacob: @bugabundo Working only on icons and the notification area. Everything else is stuck, even though unlocked. "
[22:40] <BUGabundo> maxb: I only learned that like last year or so
[22:51] <arand> BUGabundo: hmm,can drg icons fish and clock, but not eyes, sysmon-applet...
[22:51] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:52] <BUGabundo> I'm filling a bug and uptreaming it
[22:52] <BUGabundo> $ apport-cli -fp gnome-panel
[22:57] <arand> Yay! categories in game menu.
[22:57] <BUGabundo> ah?
[22:58] <arand> at least a "logic" submenu, looks neat.
[22:59] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/399031
[23:09] <BUGabundo> arand: maxb ^^^^^
[23:10] <charlie-tca> maxb: Thanks for the help on the printer bug
[23:18] <arand> BUGabundo: huh more than 5h ago?
[23:31] <BUGabundo> arand: ??
[23:34] <BUGabundo> arand: what? I reboot just to ask you what you mean
[23:38]  * BUGabundo $ sleep; echo you don't have super sheep powers!
[23:53] <yofel> ok... now thats odd. Here I have an external 2.5" hdd from Transcend that won't mount in karmic with usb -71 errors, but mounts fine in jaunty. All other external drives I have mount fine in karmic. -> wtf?