[00:00] hmm.. Ademan: you could ask doko (Matthias Klose) about status of Eclipse in Debian/Ubuntu. I can see that he has done some work 2 weeks ago in package's repository [00:01] if the package is in debian unstable you can file a merge request [00:01] it isn't === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh [00:28] anyone has this problem? http://protector.pastebin.com/m746e0093 [02:26] any wat to configure ubuntu specificly for my machinr? [02:27] cannot remeber what its called but it is done through terminal? [04:15] Good evening [04:17] question... which kernel version has been decided upon for the freeze? [04:19] We currently have 2.6.31. I believe that is the version we plan to ship. [04:19] Yeah, I've heard 2.6.31 too. [04:20] There's a page on the Ubuntu wiki about it if you want something official. [04:20] ah, ok, the last I had heard they wernt sure if it was going to .31 or .32 so I figured I would ask [04:26] * DanaG wonders when 2.3.31-rc3 will be. [04:27] http://osdir.com/ml/linux-kernel/2009-07/msg02581.html [04:27] I need this fixed. =þ [04:27] Dana, I rather prefer and miss the Old Kernel Release Schedule [04:29] What's that? [04:29] Odds and evens. [04:30] er [04:30] s/3/6/ [04:30] Two seperate branches, not developing off the current stable branch, you know smart shit like that [04:30] Can't say I'd noticed much of a change. [04:31] DanaG: heh [04:31] I havce [04:31] have, too [04:31] 2.6.6 is one prime example [04:31] http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13659 [04:31] bugzilla.kernel.org bug 13659 in network-wireless "iwlagn (4965): no wireless due to RFKILL problem" [Normal,Resolved: patch_already_available] [04:32] DanaG: Of course, thats just my two cents [04:48] http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18047 [04:48] hah, gotta' love the ignorant bashing of PulseAudio... which happens to be one way to fix exactly the problem the person gripes about. [04:54] DanaG: I personally dont see the need for Pulse [04:54] It's awesome for multi-audio-device stuff. [04:54] ah [04:54] And for remixing M streams to N speakers. [04:54] yeah, I dont do any of that, so yeah... [04:54] Or for streaming across the network. [04:54] Where M != N. [04:56] Someone wanna tell me if I'm blind or if there really is no config menu entry for gdm in Karmic... [04:56] Oh yeah, I tried the AirPort Express support, and it had rather horrid (1.5 second!) lag. [04:57] DanaG: on a brighter note, the ath5k driver is sooooo much nicer than in mainline. :P [04:59] * DanaG has an Intel 5300. [05:02] So, am I just blind or can one not configure the GDM login screen or even customise it... [05:02] You can, but it's not obvious how. [05:03] So how would I go about it? [05:03] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1202843&page=42 [05:07] Hrm [05:07] I dont seem to have the extension installed for gnome control center [05:08] Try xterm instead of gnome-control-center [05:08] then you can run gnome-appearance-preferences or gconf-editor from there. [05:12] Dana I did fire up from commandline as per that wiki entry [05:12] this is the error I got: http://meskes.pastebin.com/d53365b38 [05:14] Is your desktop AT the login screen? [05:14] It has to actually be sitting at the login screen for it to work. [05:15] ugh, ok [05:15] standby [05:15] yeah, no dice... [05:16] All Im trying to do is reset my autologin [05:17] Oh, that's a bit different. [05:17] That needs the gdm custom.conf file. [05:17] http://www.perturb.org/display/entry/812/ [05:18] aha, great. Thanks. [05:25] Not quite as gracefull as I was hoping [05:34] * DanaG likes his funky compiz profile. [05:35] http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Dana_Compiz.profile [05:35] Actually, quick way to get a sense of how it's set: open it as a text file. [05:40] hrm [05:40] this kinda irritating, actually [05:42] what? [05:42] oh, and it's a good idea to export your own profile for safekeeping, just for the heck of it. [05:43] Just trying to get gdm to work like it did before I upgraded [05:43] Or for in case you ever accidentally choose one of the options in Appearance Properties window. [05:43] DanaG: I do that on all my systems at first install [05:43] Ah. Yeah, GDM has changed a lot. [05:43] I find my profile has a nifty mix of "shinyness" and not-insanity. [05:44] I get an error regarding simple-window something or another as well, and I'm trying to figure that one out [05:44] and its a gdm error too... quite irritating [05:44] yeah, that one is from metacity. [05:44] Im not even using metacity though [05:45] https://bugs.launchpad.net/gdm/+bug/395324 [05:45] Ubuntu bug 395324 in gdm "'These windows do not support "save current setup"....' metacity warning when logging in with gdm 2.26" [Medium,In progress] [05:45] Im using compiz/fusion [05:45] GDM is, though. [05:45] I had it set up to use compiz [05:45] so, either way it was doing it [05:45] Checkbox for gdm using compiz... didn't actually work. [05:46] No wonder I couldnt find that metacity error looking at this... [05:47] /usr/share/blah/blah/mile_long$PATH [05:51] wow, ok, cool. Fixed enough for gov't work [05:51] Thanks for the help DanaG [05:52] Or alternately: [05:52] symlink that metacity.desktop to the compiz.desktop [05:52] wherever that may be. [05:52] nah, this works well enough [05:55] www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot.png [05:57] That right there, is more or less the EXACT same way I have mine set up [06:01] oh yeah, the globe thingy with question-mark is service-discovery-applet. [06:01] oh, and for some reason, the full battery is showing the "empty" icon. [06:04] hrm [06:17] I like having a non-glossy theme. Much easier on the eyes. [06:17] Oh, and high-dpi display for-the-win. [06:18] Desktop font is set to 9 pt, 147 DPI. Real display is... 147 DPI. [06:18] Just as it should be. [06:38] I had set up synchronization on Tomboy using a local folder. I reinstalled Ubuntu and I pointed Tomboy to the same folder and it fails synching. Error message is empty. ANy ideas? [08:12] kklimonda: hrm yeah, I don't actually even use eclipse, i was just going to play around with pydev for fun, but day to day i use vim... it seems like *someone* has got to need eclipse though, I can't believe no one's stepped up... [08:14] Ademan: afair it's a hard package to build from source and maintain [08:14] Ademan: it's easier to unpack it to ~/eclipse/ [08:17] this bug needs to die: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7607475 [08:20] Also, eclipse _also_ builds libswt-gtk, so it needs special care in order to not break lots of other software. [08:51] hello [08:52] i'm using karmic and have a problem booting the 2.6.31-* kernels, i get an error message like "ata1: illegal qc_active transition".. anybody who knows about this error? === ripps_ is now known as ripps [09:04] Alocado: ask in ubuntu-kernel [09:07] k [09:08] third try ;) === le_bilou2e is now known as le_biloute === Bauldrick_ is now known as Bauldrick [11:29] woohoo, I' [11:29] ve just had system sound for the first time in THREE YEARS! [11:31] Also, every time I boot up karmic I get some kind of warning about gdm-simple-greeter not supporting session-something and having to be restarted.. [11:32] <|ns|nR8> thats normal Lademord [11:32] Ah okay [11:32] I assume it'll be fixed before rc though :) [11:32] <|ns|nR8> yep [11:33] <|ns|nR8> windows 7 and 9.10 will be official within a week of each other [11:33] <|ns|nR8> sounds like a good time to reformat the drive and start again [11:34] <|ns|nR8> 3 months away [11:39] hehe [11:40] I'm running beta of both here :) [11:42] nice i cant wait till win 7 comes out so i can get off vista and use my ram more efficiently [11:42] i have 8gb in this desktop lol running vista 64bit atm [11:43] guys has anyone tested out lmms on karmic yet [11:45] <|ns|nR8> i got 4 gig ram..im still runnin 32 bit os's [11:45] <|ns|nR8> ill make the switch in october [11:46] I don't find Win7 as fantastic as everybody claims.. I've got several issues with stuff from XP which doesn't work anymore (or perhaps that's because I'm running 64bit now...) [11:47] <|ns|nR8> 7 has better battery life on laptop...and loads faster, looks nicer [11:47] <|ns|nR8> thats enough to convince me [11:48] <|ns|nR8> more than 4 gig ram would be overkill for everyday use ? [11:49] <|ns|nR8> only so much windows will cache in ram [11:49] You can never have too much RAM [11:49] :) [11:49] <|ns|nR8> haha [11:55] Lademord: you run with compatibility enabled [11:55] Lademord: when using vista it uses 2gb outa the box [11:55] for me at least [11:55] then i have a tendency to multitask and i end up using 70% of the 8gb [11:55] Okay that's just plain stupid.. An OS shouldn't use that much RAM on its own! [11:56] I love Ubuntu for being relatively low on the requirements [11:58] does 9.10 may break my system of certanly break it? [11:58] certainly [11:58] <|ns|nR8> vista will easy use 2 gig for pre caching data...when its only really needs 400MB [11:58] amortvigil, It may break it. Alpha2 is still unstable as hell. [11:58] <|ns|nR8> the alpha is certainly messed up [11:59] to bad [11:59] ..but I upgraded anyway because after three years of waiting ALSA now finally supports my sound card! [11:59] because 9.04 is still unusable to me [11:59] some network errors [11:59] <|ns|nR8> latest kernel version supports some features in my hardware for the first time aswell [11:59] wich cause my system to break [11:59] amortvigil: you should try it out in a virtual machine first to check if you can use it [12:00] then you might want to think about upgrading [12:00] yofel: smart idea [12:00] My Thinkpad can finally suspend without errors after 2 years of using ubuntu [12:01] is there a new artwork? [12:01] it got better with jaunty, but karmic really fixed it. [12:01] what kind of errors are the worst at the moment? [12:01] amortvigil: not that much, the only big change is that GDM can't be configured by GUI [12:02] lol [12:02] and does the new boot method work? [12:02] there is also the big annoyance at least on kde the plasma-widget-network-manager wont connecto to wpa encrypted wifi connections [12:03] hm, then there's the transition from hal to devicekit that's messing with drive mounting... [12:04] ok, g-p-m seems to be finally fixed here with todays update and doesn't crash anymore [12:04] <|ns|nR8> prolly be a hug mess till beta [12:04] <|ns|nR8> again [12:05] true [12:07] When's the beta planned for? [12:07] <|ns|nR8> start of oct [12:11] damn [12:11] that's a very long time [12:12] Lademord: see the karmic release schedule in the topic [12:29] anyone else trying out the google chrome daily builds [12:30] eagles0513875: the chromium ones yes [12:30] yofel: is the reaload button working and other stuff like that for ya [12:30] cuz for me they arent working for some reason [12:32] eagles0513875: the build from yesterday works fine here [12:32] strange the one in the ppa then is broken [12:32] or incomplete cuz refresh isnt working for me either that or the ia32libs are bugged [12:46] apw: please let me know if you need any more info to solve bug #396286 :) [12:46] Launchpad bug 396286 in linux "kernel 2.6.31-generic oops after loading initramfs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396286 [12:48] hey yofel you running 32bit or 64bit [12:51] eagles0513875: 64 [12:52] strange [12:52] cuz im having issues and i am on 20090712r20470-0ubuntu1-ucd1 version of it [12:54] Q-FUNK: the kernenl guys will let you know on the bug report what info is needed [12:54] gnomefreak: yes and that would be apw, who has responded to both of my kernel bug reports. [12:55] yofel: when you installed karmic was it an upgrade from jaunty or clean install [13:16] eagles0513875: I first upgraded to karmic from jaunty short after alpha1, then did a clean install of alpha2 a few days ago because some things were broken beyond repair. [13:16] ya seems like chomium is broken cuz i upgraded from jaunty to karmic [13:16] does this warrent a bug report [13:55] yofel I'm considering doing a clean install of alpha2 as well in order to get rid of any redundant code (including OSS) that has been left behind from jaunty [13:56] hey BluesKaj [13:56] last i heard though the cd wasnt working for alpha 2 [13:56] * maxb notes that it's less than 2 weeks until alpha 3 [13:57] hi folks [13:57] hi eagles [14:02] the cd for alpha 2 works fine (at least from usb, thats all i tested). The dialy images are broken all the time [14:02] hi BluesKaj [14:03] hi yofel [14:04] hmm, I just upgrade everyday , every thing seems ok , except plasma still crashes , but recovers on it own [14:14] hello [14:15] hi cbr [14:15] the "Starting kernel event manager" stage of the boot returns [fail] 70% of times [14:15] which makes stuff not work obviously [14:15] what could be the problem? [14:24] also, logrotate doesn't work [14:24] my logs are 200MB+ in size === evanrmurphy_ is now known as evanrmurphy [14:34] what version of qt is in karmic [14:34] !qt [14:34] Qt is the Qt (pronounced "cute") toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt 3 applications or libqt4-dev for Qt 4 applications. Qt 4.4 is available from hardy-backports [14:35] !info qt [14:35] Package qt does not exist in karmic [14:35] eagles0513875: Use packages.ubuntu.com or rmadison [14:35] ok [14:37] maxb: i know bout those sites but there are quite a few qt packages available in regards to qt4 [15:07] hey oldude67 , welcome ! [15:07] hello [15:08] nice to see other older ppl with an interest in Linux [15:15] heheh BluesKaj :) [15:15] what ya working on today BluesKaj [15:17] actually I'm waiting for the rain to stop , so I can go out to fix some window trim that's come loose :) [15:20] other than that I'm enjoying some coffee [15:24] coffee is always good [15:24] have you given chromium-browsers a spin yet [15:25] eagles0513875: I heard that it has a flash support now [15:25] ya but im having some issues with it im starting to think its related to the upgrade from jaunty to karmic i did [15:26] here is the link to the ppa for it https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa [15:26] I know about it, but thanks :) [15:26] no prob [15:26] I tried Chrome a few days ago, but dropped it [15:26] are you on a clean install of karmic or upgraded version [15:26] upgraded from jaunty [15:27] did you have issues with some of the buttons cuz i am havin gsome issues with the refresh button not working [15:27] hey BluesKaj welcome back [15:27] nope [15:28] interesting [15:28] I have some strange issues with my keyboard and mouse, but it's not Ubuntu-related methink :) [15:28] hehe [15:28] clean installs are massively overrated [15:28] so, about Chromium [15:28] I dropped it because of horrible font rendering :( [15:28] strange [15:29] Except for one point where I *had* to reinstall to switch from i386 to amd64, I've gone step-by-step all the way from dapper->karmic [15:29] nice but you try out chromium-browser [15:29] I think that I will try it tommorow [15:30] how can i run chromium-browser through gdb it was saying something about not being an executable [15:32] maxb: and how are you with amd64? :) === akgraner_ is now known as akgraner [15:32] ? [15:32] eagles0513875: you could try to attach gdb to the process after starting chromium [15:32] I mean, overall experience :) Faster than i386, etc? [15:33] ok [15:33] i was trying to do gdb chromium-browser and then use r to run it [15:33] JonDoe297: 64bit = nice but there some things still missing which are now getting fixed like flash being one [15:33] oh, flash [15:33] they now have 64bit for it though [15:36] ok thats messed up now it seems to work [15:36] so no issue here then [15:37] eagles0513875: have you tried Namoroka? [15:37] I'm using it now :) [15:38] ? [15:38] wtf is that [15:38] "Firefox 3.6" [15:38] but for now, it's branded as Minefield :) [15:39] I'm getting some errors updating update-motd: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/216980/ [15:39] im on 3.5 i believe [15:40] I still have old Firefox (3.0.11) for backup :) [15:41] hehe [15:44] I still have old firefox for backup because I don't dare delete it out of fear that my computer explodes or something [15:52] heheh Lademord chromium is working now refresh wise [16:07] I know it has probably been discussed a thousand times before, but why is there both Chromium and Chrome? Which is best? [16:08] Just updated with the latest set of fixes. When I perform an administrative task (eg synaptic) via the menus I am prompted for my password which it then says is incorrect. Yet if I do the same with sudo synaptic in a terminal it accepts my password. Anyone seen this? [16:09] JMFTheVCI: karmic? what does the terminal print if you run "gksu id" ? [16:09] Lademord: Chromium is for "daily testing", Chrome is more "stable" [16:09] or I'm wrong? [16:11] mvo: If I start a new terminal it prompts me for my password which it believes is wrong. If I do sudo gksu id then it works (but obviously responds uid=0) [16:11] The sudo accepts my password. [16:12] JMFTheVCI: no output from gksu id when the password is (said to be) wrong? [16:12] JMFTheVCI: what version libgksu2-0 do you use? [16:14] mvs: libgksu2-0-1ubuntu [16:14] (karmic alpha 2 + fixes to date) [16:14] JMFTheVCI: I'm having the exact same issue here [16:14] Aha! not alone! [16:16] mvo: the last two attempts at gksu id with a clean (closed & re-opened) terminal have been returning uid=0 [16:18] also I am getting a crash report about something but I cannot report it because my password is not being accepted! [16:18] JMFTheVCI: libgksu2-0-1ubuntu <- which ubuntu revision is that, its most likely got cut off from dpkg, dpkg -l libgksu2-0 |more should display all of it [16:18] JMFTheVCI: do you get the prompt back when you run "sudo -k" ? [16:18] mvo: JMFTheVCI: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/217001/ << output from gksu -d id [16:19] mvo 2.0.12-1ubuntu2 [16:20] arand_: thanks - hm, so this is what it prints and it does display a dialog? [16:21] http://paste.ubuntu.com/217007/ [16:21] JMFTheVCI: thanks - this problem smelled a lot like a bug that got fixed in the -1ubuntu2 version. but it appears that this is no tthe case (at least for you) [16:21] anything uncommon in your sudo config? [16:21] not changed from default installation [16:21] arand_: That is the output of one failed attmept and then cancel... but I actually think that that is the standard output from it... [16:22] * arand_ wonders why he is speaking to himself [16:23] hahah arand [16:24] mvo: when I enter "sudo -k" I am returned to my standard "$" prompt. [16:24] JMFTheVCI: same issue with sudo -i [16:24] mvo: http://pastebin.com/f55bf56b8 [16:25] eagles...: "sudo -i" prompts for password, and accepts it, then tells me about ubuntu software being free. [16:25] but are you in root JMFTheVCI [16:25] mvo: nothing strange as far as I can tell... [16:25] and i can confirum that sudo -k takes ya back ot the standard prompt [16:26] arand_, JMFTheVCI: I do a fresh test install (automatic, will take ~30min or so) and check out if I can reproduce it, thanks [16:27] eagles: no I am just me (uid=500) [16:27] sorry uid=1000 [16:28] strange [16:28] anyway i have to go for now :( but ill bbl [16:28] already three bugs on lp about it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gksu/+bug/398849 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gksu/+bug/398800 [16:28] Ubuntu bug 398849 in gksu "Can't elevate privledges on administrative tasks" [Undecided,New] [16:30] arand_: tried a search but not with the right words. Those are most certainly matching. [16:31] "gksudo gedit" fails. "sudo gedit" works. [16:32] mvo: when running "gksudo gedit" in terminal, "GNOME_SUDO_PASS" is seen followed by "sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts" [16:33] gonna mark as confirmed for now. [16:34] cool, my wifi firmware locked up o.O 1690 root 15 -5 0 0 0 R 100 0.0 16:33.92 iwlagn [16:34] yofel, that happens quite a lot with iwlagn [16:34] Supersaiyan_IV: first time for me that it gets 100% [16:35] or maybe I just got lucky till now ^^ [16:35] yofel, look at bug #275359 [16:35] Launchpad bug 275359 in linux "kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.27/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-tx.c:1198 and subsequent panic" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/275359 [16:35] Supersaiyan_IV: thx [16:43] JMFTheVCI: gksu gedit works [16:44] robin0800: with today's updates? [16:45] * arand_ marks another dupe [16:45] broken here, bug 398849 [16:45] Launchpad bug 398849 in gksu "Can't elevate privledges on administrative tasks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398849 [16:46] robin0800: gksu gedit does not work. sodo gedit does work [16:46] The problem appears to be in gksu as bug 398849 indicates. [16:46] Launchpad bug 398849 in gksu "Can't elevate privledges on administrative tasks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398849 [16:48] JMFTheVCI: I updated this morning but just checked now and there is a lot more will update and try again [16:48] I just ran those updates here. gksu stays broken, can't use Synaptic Package Manager either [16:51] I have to reboot [16:52] hmm shutdown and restart are broken here too [16:52] (via gnome menus) [16:53] Sarvatt: yeah, I've just tried to restart a few minutes ago, and no luck :) === maxb_ is now known as maxb [17:25] update-manager and synaptic keep attempting ot perform upgrades to the koala alpha im runing that remve system meta packages like "system-services", etc. i realize this might be a sideeffect of not having the deps inline yet. whould i allow it to happen or wait till it isnt required anymore? [17:26] just wanted to know what the normal workflow was. [17:31] michaelfavia: I run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade once or twice a day, and just let karmic update what it wants to [17:32] As packages are changed, some of those will not be used anymore [17:32] charlie-tca, understood. just wanted to make sure that certain deps werent temporarily ditched by the reconciliation tools. [17:32] will do then [17:33] Can't be sure of anything in alpha [17:33] of course. but i wanted to knwo how everyone else tracked it [17:33] meaning what the most desirable/supported fashion was [17:33] karmic-changes mailing list is how i check if its intended or not [17:34] Sarvatt, should subscribe then... good call [17:34] thx [17:34] Changes come is so fast at times, you just update and hope it works. Todays updates broke gksu [17:34] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives//karmic-changes/2009-July/date.html [17:42] brb restart now :) === WelshDragon is now known as YDdraigGoch [18:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/374250 [18:22] Ubuntu bug 374250 in ubuntu "svgalib_helper is not working" [Undecided,New] [18:22] reported this way back [18:27] rski: Maybe you could expain more in the report what the actual problem is. All I see is a couple of questions [18:29] i can't use svgalib-apps [18:34] rski: you could include simple steps to reproduce the issue === MobileMyles6o7 is now known as TwoToneSpirit === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:38] Should all packages that are supposed to be present in Karmic have hit the repos already? I.e, is a package present in Jaunty and mising in Karmic just saying that "it's not done yet", or is it worthy of a bug/wishlist report? [18:38] (xshodo) [18:50] I'm failing to update update-motd: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/216980/ [19:04] arand: 'sudo service update-motd stop', then 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' [19:11] So, how stable is 9.10 atm? Im considering installing it as a primary system on my laptop [19:11] expect it to brake [19:11] i still got my desktop, though, so no worries [19:12] Regel: I use it as my primary desktop, but stable: no [19:12] its pretty stable for an alpha imo [19:12] more stable than 9.04 at the same point? [19:12] i haven't had any showstopper problems here........yet [19:12] :P [19:12] billybigrigger_: well, if you don't count gdm and devkit - yes :P [19:13] GDM is pretty unstable. [19:13] how so? no problems here with it [19:13] except for the gdm-greeter bug [19:14] Actually, it might be X. [19:14] But I often get dropped back to GDM randomly. [19:14] intel/ati/nvidia? [19:14] gtk is breaking a lot of things, too [19:14] charlie-tca: wasn't most of that fixed already? [19:14] ATI. [19:14] gdm doesnt work on my laptop :( [19:14] intel graphics [19:14] :( [19:15] but have karmic notebook not here ;) [19:15] SeveredCross, is that an ati only thing? nvidia here, and i have once been dropped back to gdm [19:15] blank cd's don't get recognized, I think the fix for gksu is out now [19:15] billybigrigger_: Might be. [19:15] well, on my eeePC, intel graphics got much better with karmic [19:15] Also, gnumeric is broken because of gtk [19:15] UXA is much more stable and works fine together with KMS here [19:15] SeveredCross, i read that again, i meant, i have yet once been dropped back, meaning never [19:16] SeveredCross, too early :P [19:17] gdm updates are coming [19:17] theres some major backend changes being done (devicekit transition, moving things from hal to udev, policykit-1), i'd say its a little less unstable than jaunty at the same time personally but there arent any really major things that make it unusable on any of my systems [19:17] seems quite a few bug fixes [19:18] oh yeah and gdm getting upgraded from the 1.5 year old version in jaunty of course :) [19:19] less less stable, sorry [19:20] Is there any guarantee that alpha3 is more stable than alpha2? (i.e. if I wait until alpha3 to do a clean install, will I risk breaking something that worked with alpha2?) [19:21] should technically have less problems [19:21] cool [19:21] but...who knows [19:21] but nothing is guaranteed [19:21] exactly [19:21] no real reason to wait, its just a snapshot in time that you could have by upgrading along the way :D [19:21] Nah, I know. It is, after all, just alpha [19:22] but the risk is always there if running alpha. If it worked yesterday, it might break today === leifkindal is now known as rleeds [19:22] Sarvatt, I want to do a clean install to get rid of redundant code (and OSS) from jaunty [19:22] Lademord, what Sarvatt said, a clean install of an A2 disk upgraded will be the EXACT same system as a clean install of A3 [19:22] you could download a daily livecd and install from there [19:23] The new libgksu update is out. It fixes the gksu issue [19:23] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [19:24] i would wait until tomorrows image though [19:24] Cool. I'll try that [19:24] Sarvatt, why is that? [19:24] unless you want to upgrade right after installing :D [19:24] Sarvatt, hey, how often is linus's tree updated? http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/35294/ has a patch for my camera module and some more gspca stuff....but i haven't seen it anywhere else, i guess i could patch the files myself and recompile yes? [19:24] ah, in that way [19:24] that gksu problem people were talking about [19:25] there were a _ton_ of upgrades today since that image [19:25] 60+mb for me [19:26]