[04:27] <LLStarks> yo
[04:27] <LLStarks> asac
[04:27] <LLStarks> fta
[04:27] <LLStarks> you there?
[04:37] <micahg> LLStarks: most probably sleeping
[04:38] <micahg> somthing I can help you with?
[04:40] <LLStarks> yeah
[04:40] <LLStarks> flash is wonky in 3.6
[04:40] <LLStarks> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=503819
[04:40] <micahg> I think they were working on that this morning
[04:41] <micahg> LLStarks: which version of flash do you have installeD?
[04:41] <LLStarks> latest
[04:42] <micahg> from Ubuntu  or Adobe?
[04:42] <LLStarks> ubuntu uses the adobe binaries
[04:43] <micahg> indeed
[04:43] <micahg> I just wanted to make sure you installed them through the installer from ubuntu though
[04:43] <LLStarks> yeah, i did
[04:43] <LLStarks> 3.5 and 3.0 are fine
[04:43] <LLStarks> 3.6 exhibits the behavior
[04:44] <LLStarks> are we thinking about the same bug?
[04:44]  * micahg isn't thinking about anything in particular
[04:44] <micahg> Here's today's log: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/12/%23ubuntu-mozillateam.txt
[04:45] <micahg> I know they mentioned flash, but I don't have time to read it
[04:50] <micahg> sorry, I'd help more, but I'm working right now, asac and co should be on in about 6-8 hours
[04:59] <LLStarks> can you confirm the bug?
[05:04] <micahg> I don't have that permission in bugzilla
[05:04] <micahg> and I don't have time right now
[10:43] <bluekuja> asac, hello
[10:43] <bluekuja> asac, had a good weekend?
[10:44] <asac> started good, ended bad with a hang-over and a light cold
[10:44] <bluekuja> aww : /
[10:44] <bluekuja> asac, did you have time to setup your debian system?
[10:44] <bluekuja> asac, the package is ready
[10:45] <bluekuja> asac, added a patch system instead of modifying stuff manually
[10:45] <asac> thought you have more than one
[10:45] <asac> can you send me the complete list of branches that are ready?
[10:45] <bluekuja> asac, yep
[10:45] <bluekuja> on pm?
[10:45] <asac> no
[10:45] <asac> mail
[10:46] <asac> pm gets lost
[10:47] <bluekuja> asac, done
[10:47] <bluekuja> asac, next package I'll work on is cgmail
[10:47] <bluekuja> which is the third on my list
[10:48] <bluekuja> then I have the latest
[10:48] <asac> is any of those packages NEW?
[10:48] <bluekuja> nope
[10:48] <asac> good
[10:49] <asac> bluekuja: you sent a mail with just one package
[10:50] <bluekuja> asac, yes, other one is already in
[10:50] <bluekuja> asac, and cgmail is not yet ready
[10:50] <bluekuja> asac, had to make a new patch system for ctorrent yesterday night so I didnt work on cgmail yet
[10:52] <asac> bluekuja: so you found a sponsor for the other?
[10:52] <bluekuja> asac, yep
[10:53] <bluekuja> asac, but don't worry, you'll have to sponsor me some good stuff too
[10:53] <bluekuja> lol
[11:01] <fta> hi
[11:01] <fta> asac, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=9643 :(
[11:02] <fta> asac, i thought gnash was dead.. !?
[11:03] <asac> heh
[11:03] <asac> they were never dead
[11:03] <asac> just not funded
[11:03] <asac> but i think they raised some money
[11:03] <asac> is that chrome bug because they wait for the new ia32libs?
[11:03] <asac> did we ever manage to not break flash?
[11:04] <fta> obviously, even with an update, the ime thing will not be solved
[11:05] <fta> and no, still no idea why flash breaks
[11:06] <fta> i will refresh the debs later today
[11:08] <fta> asac, http://identi.ca/notice/6379257
[11:09] <asac> who will file the bugs upstream then ;)?
[11:18] <asac> bug 398121
[11:19] <bluekuja> asac, let me know if everything went ok
[11:24] <bluekuja> asac, you can make it for this evening/night, right?
[11:25] <bluekuja> so I can move to another package
[11:27] <asac> bluekuja: there is no hurry on this on my side
[11:27] <asac> i have three uploads on my own list that needs to get done
[11:28] <asac> i will do them in the same batch
[11:28] <asac> no ETA
[11:28] <bluekuja> asac, problem is that some of my packages got an NMU
[11:28] <bluekuja> asac, so it would be nice to have everything fixed asp
[11:28] <bluekuja> * asap
[11:30] <asac> yeah. but since you already did one upload you are not MIA anyymore
[11:31] <bluekuja> oh ok
[11:35] <bluekuja> bbl
[12:09] <gnomefreak> asac: IIRC i have to work on sunbird's rules file for some reason whatever changes you made to it to better handle the nobinonly script it fails to produce a tarball using ./debian/rules. i thought i had carried over the changes when i looked at this a while ago but it looks like i didnt, not feeling really good today yet so maybe later this week. seamonkey is still ready and working good here. if all goes well i will have sunbir
[12:09] <gnomefreak> damn thats long
[12:10] <asac> gnomefreak: its ok. i am overloaded atm anyway ;)
[12:10] <asac> gnomefreak: so rest and get better
[12:14] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks i will
[12:15] <gnomefreak> !sound
[12:15]  * asac has sound
[12:16] <gnomefreak> i havent and i think since it iwll be a short day i will atleast see what i can get done
[12:24] <gnomefreak> there that was easy
[12:25] <gnomefreak> wrong sound card was being used
[12:27] <eagles0513875> how goes it guys
[12:27] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: other than tired and running a small fever im ok
[12:27] <eagles0513875> sry to hear bro get well soon
[12:28] <eagles0513875> refresh button doesnt work in chrome O_O
[12:28] <eagles0513875> humm
[12:29] <mahfouz> chrome?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> you mnean chormuim browser?
[12:30] <gnomefreak> chromuim even
[12:30] <mahfouz> chromium :)
[12:30] <gnomefreak> that too :)
[12:31] <eagles0513875> ya
[12:31] <eagles0513875> anyone else trying it the nightly stuff out for it
[12:33] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: i have it i just havent played with it in a while ive been trying to get system to a good state so i can make another backup
[12:33] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[12:33] <eagles0513875> back to firefox for the time being will try again with it tomorrow
[12:33] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: giveme a few and i will finish this gwibber thing and test refresh
[12:33] <eagles0513875> thanks gnomefreak if you havent updated it might need an update to it cuz i installed the build form im guessing last night
[12:34] <gnomefreak> i ran updates about 30 minuts ag and it wasnt needed so i should be on latest
[12:35] <asac> eagles0513875: check with fta ... bugabundo also runs the nightlies afaik
[12:35] <eagles0513875> will do asac
[12:40] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak: ping
[12:40] <gnomefreak> someone highlight me please i need to know if system beep is now working
[12:41] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: ping
[12:41]  * asac lunch
[12:41] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: ping whats up
[12:41] <mahfouz> gnomefreak: like this?
[12:41] <gnomefreak> ok thats just not what i wanted to hear  :( the system beep doesnt work but speakers are bumping me
[12:43] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: this version of c-b 3.0.194.0~svn20090712r20470-0ubuntu1~ucd1?
[12:43] <eagles0513875> ? of chromium-browser
[12:43] <eagles0513875> let me check
[12:43] <eagles0513875> ya thats it
[12:46] <gnomefreak> ok what heappens when you click reload/refresh?
[12:46] <gnomefreak> does the icon in top left spin? do you get progress bar at the bottom the the browser?
[12:46] <gnomefreak> this build seems to work fine for me in LP
[12:46] <eagles0513875> notyhing
[12:46] <eagles0513875> strange you on 32 bit or 64bhit
[12:46] <eagles0513875> bit
[12:46] <gnomefreak> 32
[12:47] <gnomefreak> be back in a few
[12:48] <eagles0513875> ok then this is most likely a bug in the ia32libs
[12:51] <bluekuja> asac, thanks a lot m8
[12:51] <bluekuja> asac, you're the best
[12:51] <bluekuja> asac, fixing what you told me on the mail
[12:52] <bluekuja> asac, ah damn versioning
[12:52] <bluekuja> asac, just seen mail
[12:52] <bluekuja> asac, how can I fix that then?
[13:05]  * gnomefreak will look at it tomorrow most likely
[13:13] <asac> bluekuja: you dpkg --compare-versions to verify that your new version is higher than the last one
[13:13] <bluekuja> asac, this way
[13:13] <bluekuja> dpkg --compare-versions ctorrent_1.3.4+dnh3.3.2-1 lt-nl ctorrent_1.3.4-dnh3.2-1.1
[13:14] <asac> bluekuja: man dpkg
[13:15] <asac> dpkg --compare-versions 1 lt 2 && echo yes
[13:15] <asac> dpkg --compare-versions 2 lt 1 && echo yes
[13:15] <bluekuja> asac, says yes to me
[13:16] <bluekuja> asac, dpkg --compare-versions ctorrent_1.3.4+dnh3.3.2-1 lt ctorrent_1.3.4-dnh3.2-1.1 && echo yes
[13:16] <asac> bluekuja: VERSION
[13:16] <asac> it probably works that way too
[13:17] <asac> but ctorrent is definitly not part of the version ;)
[13:17] <bluekuja> asac, true, but it won't change the final result
[13:17] <bluekuja> ;)
[13:17] <asac> 14:14 < asac> dpkg --compare-versions 1 lt 2 && echo yes
[13:17] <asac> 14:15 < asac> dpkg --compare-versions 2 lt 1 && echo yes
[13:17] <asac> compare what happens for those
[13:17] <asac> look in manpage what lt
[13:17] <asac> means
[13:17] <asac> its smaller
[13:17] <asac> 1 < 2 -> yes
[13:17] <asac> 2 < 1 -> nothing
[13:18] <asac> 1.3.4+dnh3.3.2-1 < 1.3.4-dnh3.2-1.1 -> yes -> thats wrong
[13:18] <asac> e.g. we need something greater than 1.3.4-dnh3.2-1.1
[13:18] <asac> use the .
[13:18] <bluekuja> asac, exactly
[13:18] <asac> lets move the rest to -motu please ;)
[13:29] <asac> fta2:   * Fixes ugly CPU spikes caused by broken expiring mechanism
[13:29] <asac> in liferea
[13:29] <asac> was that an ubuntu change?
[13:29] <fta2> no
[13:30] <asac> ok ;)
[13:30] <asac> in next merge it was kept in "remaining ubuntu changes" section
[14:04] <bluekuja> asac, it worked out?
[14:05] <asac> no time yet
[14:05] <asac> please send a mail and i will do wheni get to it
[14:06] <bluekuja> asac, mail with branches url?
[14:08] <bluekuja> asac, sent
[14:09] <bluekuja> asac, how can I uncommit stuff I already pushed?
[14:09] <bluekuja> asac, is there a new command or I use overwrite?
[14:13] <asac> over
[14:17] <fta2> asac, can't update ia32libs, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libselinux/2.0.82-1ubuntu1 failed
[14:18] <asac> jdstrand: do you feel responsible for libselinux? do you know bhavi?
[14:19] <jdstrand> that's a loaded question if I ever heard one
[14:19] <asac> sorry if that stabbed in a wound ;)
[14:19] <jdstrand> let's say "marginally and no"
[14:19] <jdstrand> ie, we want it to work, but we don't actively work on it
[14:19] <asac> lets see if he fixes the build failures then
[14:20] <asac> fta2: cant you pick the previous version?
[14:21] <jdstrand> tbh, I very much want it to work, but we (ie the security team) don't have the resources to maintain two MAC systems at the same time
[14:21] <jdstrand> we'll fix stuff as we can, and help the community as needed
[14:23] <asac> jdstrand: yeah. just wanted to know if you wanted to fix the build failure; guess not then. thx
[14:23] <jdstrand> asac: is there a bug on it?
[14:23] <asac> (or if those uploads are coordinated)
[14:23] <fta2> asac, i can, but it means hacking the fetch-and-build heavily, or doing it manually, with a change to miss some deps
[14:24] <asac> jdstrand: no. it failed only today: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libselinux/2.0.82-1ubuntu1
[14:24] <asac> jdstrand: if you didnt know about the upload, lets just wait. i guess he will work on it
[14:24] <asac> fta2: ok. lets wait if he fixes it today then
[14:24] <asac> fta2: but i386 build
[14:25] <asac> isnt that what we need?
[14:25] <asac> oh it failed too
[14:25] <asac> nevermind then
[14:25] <jdstrand> asac: I'll mention it in the security team meeting today
[14:25] <jdstrand> asac: thanks for pointing it out
[14:25] <asac> jdstrand: hey, no need to escalate. i was just wondering if those packages are something that is usually coordinated with the security team
[14:25] <asac> jdstrand: the package awas uploaded 4 hours ago ;)
[14:26] <bluekuja> asac, lol, I overwritten debian.source with using upstream.source revisions
[14:26] <bluekuja> asac, now it's ok again
[14:26] <jdstrand> asac: sometimes they are, sometimes not
[14:26] <jdstrand> asac: we only get involved when we are asked to be
[14:26] <asac> jdstrand: ok. thanks
[14:27] <jdstrand> I'll still mention it-- there might be something obvious to the others on the team
[14:27] <asac> jdstrand: yeah. personally i would think that you as the security team should encourage folks that work on security packages to coordinate with you ;)
[14:28] <asac> like i prefer if folks doing mozilla related stuff come to our channel and talk to us ;)
[14:28] <jdstrand> heh, or at the very least, in #ubuntu-security
[14:28] <asac> jdstrand: thats what i mean
[14:28] <jdstrand> we have the Tresys folks in there
[14:28]  * jdstrand nods
[14:34] <bluekuja> asac, as regarding LP
[14:34] <bluekuja> is this right
[14:34] <bluekuja> export-upstream = lp:~bluekuja/ctorrent-enhanced/debian.source
[14:34] <bluekuja> asac, is that the right path for LP?
[14:35] <asac> dude, please think ;) ... why would a debian only branch be upstream?
[14:36] <bluekuja> asac, yeah, sorry, I did a copy of the wrong branch
[14:36] <bluekuja> question was if that url works
[14:38] <asac> you will figure ;)
[14:38] <asac> its just a matter of trying, isnt it?
[14:38] <bluekuja> yep
[14:38] <bluekuja> gonna use the export-upstream thing
[14:38] <bluekuja> on bzr bd
[14:40] <bluekuja> asac, seems to work
[14:40] <bluekuja> ^^
[14:41] <bluekuja> asac, export-upstream thing is really nice to use
[14:42] <asac> yep
[14:42] <bluekuja> it gets the branch and makes the tarball for you
[14:42] <fta2> asac, seems selinux is the only missing bit
[14:43] <bluekuja> asac, anyway all ready, mail sent to you with changes I made and branches url
[14:44] <bluekuja> brb
[14:46] <asac> k
[14:47] <asac> fta2: ok. i think we should give him 12 hours time ;)
[14:47] <asac> i guess you and I dont have time to fix that anyway ;)
[14:47] <asac> (the experience for that package most likely)
[14:48] <asac> cc -Wall -g -O2 -I../include -I/usr/include -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64  -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -s -s -shared -o libselinux.so.1 avc.lo avc_internal.lo avc_sidtab.lo booleans.lo callbacks.lo canonicalize_context.lo checkAccess.lo check_context.lo compute_av.lo compute_create.lo compute_member.lo compute_relabel.lo compute_user.lo context.lo deny_unknown.lo disable.lo enabled.lo fgetfilecon.lo freecon.lo freeconary.lo fsetfilecon.lo
[14:48] <asac> ../src/libselinux.so: file not recognized: File truncated
[14:48] <asac> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[14:49] <fta2> cryptic
[14:50] <fta2> i need to restart my desktop, it's all rotten.
[14:50] <fta2> brb (hopefully)
[14:50] <asac> fta2: still unhappy with gwibber ;)?
[14:51] <fta2> it's not started here :P
[14:51] <asac> http://identi.ca/notice/6397564
[14:51] <fta2> it died so often that now, i don't miss it when it's gone
[14:51] <asac> fta2: yeah. but it really doesnt die anymore ;)
[14:51] <fta2> i'm not crazy like bugabundo
[14:52] <asac> i had the same problem. now that i fixed the crashes i use it again
[14:52] <asac> before it was always gone when i looked ;)
[14:52] <fta2> ok
[14:58] <fta2> join #launchpad
[14:58] <fta2> oops
[15:31] <fta2> asac, evolution crashes & freezes too, wanna fix it? ;)
[15:33] <asac> death to evolution ;)
[15:33] <asac> jk
[15:33] <asac> fta2: started today?
[15:34] <fta2> difficult to say, 2 crashes & 1 freeze today
[15:34] <fta2> it usually crashes once or twice a week
[15:36] <eagles0513875> fta2: why not run it through gdb see if u get any info and a back trace on them
[15:36] <fta2> i did, i filed several bugs already, went nowhere
[15:37] <fta2> such as, there's nothing ubuntu can do, go upstream, and upstream seems to ignore all bugs
[15:41] <bluekuja> asac, bbl
[15:46] <asac> fta2: debian/tmp/usr/lib/firefox-*/extensions/\{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd\} usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/extensions
[15:47] <asac> why do we install that to xulrunner?
[15:47] <asac> hmm guess its the dom inspector
[15:48] <fta2> i think it's the default theme
[15:55] <asac> oh yeah. thats a pity
[15:55] <asac> i guess upstream should split that up somewhat
[15:55] <asac> is xulrunner broken without that?
[15:55] <asac> let me check what they ship in upstream xul binary
[16:04] <fta2> it should be in ff for sure, not sure if it breaks xul though
[16:20] <seangarner> Hi, #mozillateam, I'm trying to find an xpi of lightning compatible with the nightly builds on the ppa
[16:21] <seangarner> I've tried http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/ but can't find one that works with the amd64 build
[16:25] <asac> seangarner: yeah. someone needs to work on that
[16:25] <asac> i am not sure if gnomefreak fixed that yet, but i would think no
[16:25] <asac> checkout his latest lighthing-sunbird branches
[16:25] <asac> if there are no hints that he fixed tbird 3, come back;)
[16:25] <seangarner> thanks asac, I'll take a look
[16:40] <seangarner> Nope, they are all for tb2 builds
[17:31] <asac> seangarner_afk: so next thing would be to find out what needs to be done to build it against tbird 3 ... e.g. where is the code for that hosted at all?
[18:11] <asac> bug 363798
[18:13] <asac> bug 347972
[18:21] <fta> asac, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28975448/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-lpia.xulrunner-1.9.1_1.9.1.1~hg20090713r26052%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:22] <fta> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28975795/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-lpia.thunderbird-3.0_3.0~b3~hg20090712r3056%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:22] <asac> fta: is that a recent commit?
[18:22] <fta> daily
[18:22] <asac> todaystarted?
[18:22] <fta> yes
[18:23] <fta> yesterday was all green
[18:23] <asac> is gtk changed
[18:23] <asac> probably got more picky recently
[18:23] <fta> yes, new gtk today
[18:23] <asac> fta: which version do we ship now? .4?
[18:24] <asac> .3 or .4?
[18:24] <fta>   Installed: 2.17.3-0ubuntu1
[18:24] <fta>   Candidate: 2.17.4-0ubuntu1
[18:25] <asac> so .4 broke it
[18:42] <asac> fta: ok seb is on it
[19:00] <fta> read that, cool
[19:06] <fta> it also breaks songbird
[19:09] <micahg1> asac: bad instructions on the answer tracker blew up someone
[19:09] <micahg1> s sources file
[19:09] <micahg> I made a note in the answer that was the culprit to look at the help.ubuntu page that we helped with and converted the bug to a Q
[19:13] <fta> asac, strangely enough, xul 1.9.2 is fine
[19:13] <asac> micahg: huh?
[19:13] <asac> fta: yeah. its kind of depreacted to include the gtk headers directly
[19:13] <asac> fta: for gtk 3 they will forbid this
[19:14] <asac> but this was accidentially landed
[19:14] <asac> and is already backed out upstream
[19:14] <asac> i guess that trunk already only includes gtk/gtk.h
[19:16] <micahg> asac: bug 398662
[19:17] <asac> yeah ok
[19:17] <asac> good
[19:19] <leifkindal> asac, I got a couple questions about libmozjs and xulrunner-dev. Is there any reason why libmozjs.so.0d isn't symlinked to libmozjs.so?
[19:19] <leifkindal> Maybe I misunderstand what that library is.
[19:21] <asac> leifkindal: that library is dead
[19:21] <asac> remove libmozjs*
[19:21] <asac> those are going to die
[19:22] <asac> and are only there for legacy support
[19:22] <asac> xulrunner ships libmozjs.so ... but only in the pkglibdir
[19:22] <asac> we have to do some evangelization upstream to get it properly as a syslib
[19:22] <asac> rleeds: what do you need it for?
[19:22] <asac> (and why do you change your nick completely ;))
[19:23] <rleeds> asac, this is my normal nick...I had some booting/reconnecting and the other was my backup.
[19:23] <rleeds> I'm trying to compile mongodb
[19:23] <asac> hah ... https://twitter.com/asacasa/statuses/2618058910
[19:24] <asac> hmm. why didnt gwibber retweakt to identi.ca as well?
[19:24] <asac> rleeds: yes. dont install libmozjs* stuff for sure
[19:24] <asac> most likely you need to fix the build system to make it work with xulrunner-dev
[19:24] <rleeds> asac, is it a problem that xulrunner and libxul0d are depending on it?
[19:24] <asac> but first try. maybe upstream was smart enough
[19:24] <rleeds> or are those obsolete too?
[19:24] <asac> rleeds: no. thats all the rotten old 1.8 xulrunner cruft
[19:25] <rleeds> asac, thought so
[19:25] <asac> its best to remove everything forever ,)
[19:25] <asac> bug 352968
[19:27] <rleeds> asac, what would be the standard way for a build to discover the location of the xulrunner-dev packages?
[19:28] <rleeds> to make upstream compile without modification
[19:28] <asac> rleeds: 1st) mozjs isnt really ment to be used by anyone ;) ... thats why its in pkglibdir
[19:28] <rleeds> (sorry if this is answered somewhere...)
[19:28] <rleeds> lol
[19:28] <asac> 2nd) now lets be pragmatic
[19:28] <asac> pkg-config mozilla-js gives you the right linker and include flags
[19:29] <asac> but for runtime you also need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH like:
[19:29] <asac> export /usr/lib/xulrunner-`xulrunner --gre-version`/
[19:29] <asac> which is to be determined at runtime
[19:29] <asac> alternatively you could use the xpcom standalone glue to get the GRE path
[19:30] <asac> but that would require using a glue for js (like google gadgets are doing it)
[19:30] <rleeds> asac, Any reason why xulrunner-1.9-dev doesn't satisfy xulrunner-dev?
[19:30] <asac> why should it?
[19:30] <asac> xulrunner-dev is the meta package that is supposed to pull in whatever -dev is the current default
[19:31] <rleeds> so I guess my question is why isn't 1.9.1 the default. But I'll trust that whoever is making that choice knows what they're talking about. So forget that question.
[19:31] <asac> rleeds: 1.9.1 will be the default soon in karmic
[19:32] <asac> if you want to try you can upgrade to the PPA
[19:32] <rleeds> asac, good enough for me.
[19:32] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ffox35
[19:32] <asac> thats where we prepare the transition
[19:32] <rleeds> thanks
[19:32] <asac> and xulrunner-dev is 1.9.1 there
[19:46] <BUGabundo> bom fim de tarde :)
[19:46] <BUGabundo> asac: when will a new NM be out?
[19:46] <BUGabundo> with the merge of both trunks?
[19:47] <asac> the merge of both trunks?
[19:47] <asac> BUGabundo: ?
[19:47] <asac> i cannot parse that ;)
[19:48] <BUGabundo> what we had on .7.1 and .8
[19:48] <BUGabundo> I miss the signal strenth
[19:48] <asac> ah you say the 0.7.1 feature of showing signal strength?
[19:48] <BUGabundo> this one still has the antena and doesn't allow me to connect without a session
[19:48] <BUGabundo> asac: yes
[19:48] <asac> BUGabundo: so on 0.7.1 you had signal strength?
[19:48] <asac> i really thought that signal strength was on trunk already
[19:49] <BUGabundo> one I hope doesn't get ported is the one of terminating 3G with the wireless toogle
[19:49] <asac> only the technology thing (e.g. edge, umts, H, etc.) is missing
[19:49] <BUGabundo> asac: on 0.8 I still have the atena
[19:49] <asac> heh
[19:49] <BUGabundo> *antenna
[19:49] <asac> BUGabundo: yeah. but didn the signal strength actually change for you or was always full?
[19:49] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 0.8~a~git.20090702t164632.9c8e600-0ubuntu1~nmt1
[19:50] <BUGabundo> it used to change a bit
[19:50] <BUGabundo> not at first but then (after some updates) started to work
[19:50] <asac> ok so you definitly saw changes; that means that the signal strength patch isnt in trunk applet yet. yes.
[19:50] <asac> hmm
[19:50] <asac> i mean, some modems dont support signal strenght
[19:50] <asac> you had huawei?
[19:50] <asac> with option driver?
[19:52] <BUGabundo> asac: how can I check?
[19:52] <BUGabundo> option1
[19:52] <asac> BUGabundo: better check this: if you run modemmanager --debug on the console, do you regularly get g_debug ("Signal quality: %d", quality);
[19:52] <asac> e.g. such output
[19:52] <asac> ?
[19:52] <BUGabundo> err
[19:52] <asac> "Signal quality: xxx"
[19:52] <BUGabundo> I won't kill my connection now :)
[19:53] <asac> hah
[19:53] <BUGabundo> yeah the applet does not recognise signal or security
[19:53] <asac> for now you should always run modemmanager manually ;)
[19:53] <BUGabundo> err s/signal/speed/
[19:53] <asac> right. i just want to figure out if thats  modemanager bug or a missing applet feature
[19:53] <asac> speed?
[19:54] <asac> speed means "technology, like edge, gms, umts, hdspa, etc."
[19:54] <BUGabundo> asac: on another subject
[19:54] <asac> signal means the quality of the signal
[19:54] <asac> e.g. what you see when you are on wifi
[19:54] <BUGabundo> anyting on NM that would use a LOT of CPU ?
[19:54] <BUGabundo> my CPU is always at max freq even without load
[19:54] <asac> no that shouldnt be NM
[19:54] <asac> do you seee it in top?
[19:55] <BUGabundo> and I just noticed that being off line its OK, as soon as I connect to 3G, wifi, wired it goes off the chart
[19:55] <BUGabundo> also if I losse connection I get load avg of 200
[19:55] <asac> while connecting it might be
[19:55] <asac> yeah. that sounds like an app misbehaving
[19:55] <BUGabundo> no.. all the time
[19:55] <asac> check out top
[19:55] <BUGabundo> I do
[19:55] <asac> and see whats going mad if you experience it
[19:55] <BUGabundo> I have to lock my cpu to 1,2GHz
[19:56] <BUGabundo> or it will burn down
[19:56] <asac> err top
[19:56] <BUGabundo> nothing using CPU other then xorg (at 20%)
[19:56] <asac> run that on a console
[19:56] <asac> BUGabundo: yeah. thats Xorg then
[19:56] <BUGabundo> asac: I do run top and atop
[19:56] <BUGabundo> alll the time
[19:56] <BUGabundo> asac: with 20% ?
[19:56] <BUGabundo> naaaa
[19:56] <asac> well, but if you dont see anything else, then why would it be NM?
[19:57] <asac> BUGabundo: can you reproduce even with all applications closed?
[19:57] <asac> just pure desktop: connected vs. not connected
[19:57] <BUGabundo> I'll try
[19:57] <asac> (maybe a terminal to look at top)
[19:57] <bluekuja> aa
[19:57] <BUGabundo>  3085   3m16s   3m00s 383.9M 40416K   884K   132K  N-   - R  19% Xorg
[19:57] <BUGabundo>  3612  49.38s   2m15s 47516K  7412K  5592K 144.7M  N-   - S   9% gconfd-2
[19:57] <BUGabundo>  4055  15.70s   1m41s 239.7M 54640K  5296K     8K  N-   - S   6% compiz.real
[19:57] <bluekuja> asac, any news?
[19:57] <BUGabundo> right now its at 2.4Ghz
[19:57] <BUGabundo> |
[19:57] <BUGabundo> CPU | sys     65% | user     94% | irq       1% | idle     40% | wait      0% |
[19:57] <BUGabundo> cpu | sys     33% | user     48% | irq       0% | idle     18% | cpu000 w  0% |
[19:57] <BUGabundo> cpu | sys     33% | user     46% | irq       0% | idle     21% | cpu001 w  0% |
[19:57] <BUGabundo> CPL | avg1   0.69 | avg5    1.01 | avg15   0.97 | csw   132828 | intr   20320 |
[19:58] <asac> sys is going mad
[19:58] <asac> i have 0.4%
[19:59] <BUGabundo> asac: nvm its metacity
[19:59] <sebner> asac: ff3.6 is also being killed when flash -> fullscreen. might that be the cause -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7094387  <--- I did that to get the fonts fixed in FF3.5
[19:59] <BUGabundo> hey sebner bluekuja
[19:59] <sebner> hoi BUGabundo
[19:59] <bluekuja> heya BUGabundo
[20:00] <asac> sebner: i dont think so.
[20:00] <asac> sebner: what graphics driver/chipset? maybe thats the reason?
[20:00] <asac> sebner: with or without nspluginwrapper?
[20:00] <asac> sebner: does it go aways if you install nspluginwrapper?
[20:00] <sebner> asac: nvidia Gefoce 8400GS with nvidia and no. also happening with nspluginwrapper
[20:01] <asac> sebner: try nv
[20:01] <sebner> asac: nah. 3D ftw! :P
[20:01] <asac> sebner: try anyway
[20:01] <sebner> asac: heh. kk.
[20:02] <asac> we had various crashes with nvidia in the past with flash involved etc.
[20:02] <asac> but thats karmic, right?
[20:02] <sebner> asac: karmic yes. but with ff3.0 its working without problems bt
[20:02] <sebner> w
[20:02] <asac> still
[20:03] <bluekuja> asac, is firefox-gp still alive?
[20:03] <asac> what is gp?
[20:03] <bluekuja> it was great when I tried it
[20:03] <bluekuja> granparadiso
[20:04] <asac> granparadiso is firefox-3.0 now
[20:04] <asac> shiretoko is 3.5
[20:04] <bluekuja> oh
[20:04] <bluekuja> ok
[20:04] <bluekuja> didnt know^^
[20:04] <asac> e.g. its the code name of those branches
[20:04] <bluekuja> yeah
[20:05] <bluekuja> asac, next package is quite ready
[20:05] <bluekuja> finishing some little things
[20:05] <asac> nice
[20:05] <asac> keep on going
[20:05] <asac> dont block on me. i am busy man and have to manage my workqueue
[20:05] <bluekuja> I know
[20:06] <bluekuja> just hope u can upload ctorrent, quite nothing has changed since the other one u pushed before
[20:06] <bluekuja> just versioning
[20:06] <bluekuja> so you need to bzr bd it and that's all
[20:06] <leftyfb> still no ETA on FF 3.5 branding?
[20:07] <micahg> leftyfb: for Karmic or Jaunty?
[20:08] <asac> leftyfb: after alpha3 we start transitioning to ffox 3.5 by default. thats when things will happen
[20:08] <leftyfb> jaunty or even hardy. I'm using the mozilla-team ppa on hardy at the moment. But if I know 3.5 will be branded on jaunty soon, i'll push up my upgrade plans for it :)
[20:08] <asac> leftyfb: you can help preparing it so we can roll it out swiftly
[20:08] <micahg> !ff35
[20:08] <asac> there are a bunch of packages that need some porting love to 1.9.1
[20:09] <micahg> asac: did the plan change regarding Jaunty?
[20:09] <leftyfb> micahg: I know how to install it. I have it running. Was only asking about the branding which isn't implemented in hardy or jaunty in the official repo's or ppa.
[20:09] <micahg> leftyfb: the link should be why it's not branded on Jaunty
[20:09] <sebner> asac: nah, not working either
[20:10] <leftyfb> so anything older than karmic will never get branding?
[20:11] <micahg> for 3.5
[20:11] <leftyfb> "11:11 < asac> we only use official branding for our default browser"
[20:11] <leftyfb> why is that?
[20:11] <leftyfb> why can't they both be branded so people can do a proper upgrade?
[20:12] <micahg> leftyfb: it's not an upgrade in that sense
[20:13] <leftyfb> I know with Virtualbox, when a new version comes up (2.2 -> 3.0), it shows up as an upgrade and doing sudo apt-get install virtualbox or virtualbox-3.0 will upgrade the main install to 3.0. I don't understand why We can't do this with Firefox.
[20:14] <micahg> leftyfb: that's only with VirtualBox from sun
[20:14] <micahg> leftyfb: the virtualbox in ubuntu does not work like that
[20:14] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[20:17] <leftyfb> ok. I take it guys have no interest in making a PPA with a branded 3.5 firefox that will upgrade 3.0 in < karmic either? Is this something someone else might be able to do if not?
[20:17] <BUGabundo> asac: any progress on the ff3.5 X crash?
[20:17] <BUGabundo> its the worse bug I have right now
[20:17] <micahg> leftyfb: that type of upgrade doesn't happen with FF in Ubuntu
[20:18] <micahg> isntalling ff3.5 will bring in your old profile
[20:18] <micahg> but it's not an upgrade in that sense
[20:18] <BUGabundo> ohhh one other bug: I can't install FF 3.5 from archive fta asac. it will complain about xul
[20:18] <micahg> leftyfb: we also can't randomly brand whatever we want
[20:18] <micahg> there are licensing concerns
[20:19] <leftyfb> Are there technical reasons why it's not possible to upgrade FF 3.0 to FF3.5 properly?
[20:19] <micahg> leftyfb: you can uninstall ff3.0 and install ff3.5
[20:19] <leftyfb> I guess i'm confused as to what the big deal is with licensing. It's firefox either way. Mozilla gave ubuntu the permission to include it in it's distro. What does it matter?
[20:19] <micahg> that will pull  in your 3.0 profile and effectively upgrade you
[20:21] <leftyfb> so much red tape and painful details for 2 products which are both OSS
[20:22] <micahg> leftyfb: the code is oss, the branding is not
[20:24] <leftyfb> So mozilla gives everyone on Windows no matter what version the license to install any version of Firefox they want. But on ubuntu, < 9.10 is only allowed to install Firefox 3.0 with it's logo and name on it but not 3.5?
[20:24] <micahg> leftyfb: mozilla packages the windows versions, not microsoft
[20:27] <leftyfb> such a PIA for a name and icon which people already know belong to the product anyway.  Not like ubuntu is going to create a mess of a package and put mozilla's name on it.
[20:29] <leftyfb> thanks for your time and answers
[20:30] <micahg> you're welcome leftyfb
[20:30] <leftyfb> I think it should be more publicized that < karmic users will never get a proper 3.5 with branding installation. I was under the impression it was something somebody was working on.
[20:30] <micahg> I don't see what the big problem is anyways
[20:31] <asac> BUGabundo: about xul?
[20:31] <asac> leftyfb: to answer your question on the licensing ... its a trademark thing. we do regular review on the state of the packages and the patches; and we didnt do that review on the patches in our xul/ffox 3.5
[20:32] <leftyfb> micahg: well, a small little thing with me, I have some compiz settings that detect the window name (firefox/shiretoko) and having to change them across machines is a bit of a pain.
[20:32] <asac> leftyfb: i think that bit could be considered a bug
[20:32] <BUGabundo> asac: yea
[20:32] <asac> leftyfb: please paste the dump of the window properties
[20:33] <BUGabundo> asac: synaptic selects xul 1.9.1, deselects ff3.5 and fails to install it :(
[20:33] <asac> BUGabundo: i dont understand ... where does it complain?
[20:33] <leftyfb> not a huge deal, but add that to having to change the icon, change my /etc/alternatives , change .mozilla/firefox* ,etc .. it adds up
[20:33] <BUGabundo> asac: can I force a version from apt-get/aptitud? that may be more verbose !
[20:34] <sebner> asac: so no. nvidia issue. ff3.0 ftw! ^^
[20:34] <asac> BUGabundo: we had a build failure today for 1.9.1
[20:34] <asac> maybe thats causing the problewm
[20:34] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
[20:34] <BUGabundo> maybe
[20:34] <asac> BUGabundo: so dont force upgrade till thats fixed
[20:34] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 1.9.1.1~hg20090711r26050+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[20:35] <BUGabundo> but wait ... I want the archive one
[20:35] <BUGabundo> not daily
[20:35] <BUGabundo> 1.9.1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 0         500 http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt karmic/universe Packages
[20:35] <asac> sebner: you say "no nvidia issue" or "no. its a nvidia issue" ?
[20:35] <BUGabundo> so it should be good
[20:36] <asac> BUGabundo: i guess firefox is already the newest version that requires a new xulrunner
[20:36] <BUGabundo> nope
[20:36] <sebner> asac: [21:09] <sebner> asac: nah, not working either
[20:36] <asac> sebner: ok.
[20:36] <BUGabundo> I purge ALL firefoxs and XUL on Saturday to find a bug
[20:36] <asac> sebner: what you can do is aget a backtrace
[20:36] <BUGabundo> asac: found it on TMP
[20:36] <asac> sebner: did you do that yet?
[20:36] <BUGabundo> brb dinner
[20:36] <asac> sebner: and it happens with both, trunk and 1.9.1?
[20:39] <sebner> asac: yep. what kind of backtrace. the output I get when I open it in the terminal or something different?
[20:39] <asac> sebner: no. enable core dumps
[20:39] <asac> or run firefox in debuggger
[20:40] <asac> with -dbg packages installed
[20:41] <sebner> asac: I installed the -dbg package. so how to use it? ^^
[20:41] <asac> sebner: run firefox-3.6 -g
[20:41] <asac> sebner: oh wait ;)
[20:41] <asac> run firefox-3.6 -g 2>&1 | tee /tmp/ffox.log.txt
[20:42] <asac> then type "run" when you are at the (gdb) prompt
[20:42] <leftyfb> asac: http://dropbox.leftyfb.com/Screenshot.png
[20:42] <asac> sebner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs?action=show&redirect=DebuggingFirefox#Run%20Firefox%20in%20a%20Debugger
[20:43] <asac> leftyfb: can you open a bug please and attach the output of xprop  | grep CLASS
[20:43] <asac> and then select the shiretoko window
[20:43] <asac> thanks
[20:43] <asac> maybe attach the complete output (wihtout the grep)
[20:45] <sebner> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/217219/
[20:45] <asac> sebner: you forgot to get the backtrace
[20:45] <asac> see the wiki ;)
[20:45] <sebner> gnah
[20:46] <asac> also its a xprop  | grep CLASS
[20:46] <asac> oops
[20:46] <asac> SIGABRT
[20:46] <asac> ;)
[20:46] <asac> so thats a good sign (or bad sign maybe)
[20:47] <leftyfb> asac: where do I file the bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily has no bugs
[20:47] <sebner> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/217220/
[20:47] <asac> leftyfb: just ubuntu firefox-3.5
[20:48] <asac> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5
[20:49] <sebner> asac: usable now?
[20:49] <asac> sebner: hmm. mabye you need to run it like suggested in the wiki (not with -g)
[20:49] <asac> not symbolized enough (e.g. all is ??)
[20:49] <sebner> ok
[20:51] <asac> sebner: also be sure you have the right -dbg packages installed. there ar ea bunch more mentioned on the wiki too
[20:51] <sebner> I saw
[20:55] <sebner> asac: sebner@ubuntu:~$ gdb firefox-3.6 2>&1 | tee /tmp/gdb-firefox.txt
[20:55] <sebner>  -> "/usr/bin/firefox-3.6": not in executable format: File format not recognised O_o
[20:58] <asac> sebner: no ... you have to use the ful l path to /usr/lib thing
[21:00] <leftyfb> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/398983   that good?
[21:04] <sebner> asac: still a lot ?? though. http://paste.ubuntu.com/217236/
[21:05] <asac> leftyfb: yes. thanks
[21:06] <asac> leftyfb: er. your xprop is not on the right window
[21:06] <asac> update the description please
[21:06] <BUGabundo> asac: any progress on the ff3.5 X crash?
[21:06] <BUGabundo> err 3.6
[21:06] <asac> sebner: you need more -dbg packages wai a sec
[21:07] <leftyfb> asac: huh?
[21:07] <asac> sebner: get -dbg (or -dbgsym if there is no -dbg) for libgl1-mesa-glx:
[21:07] <asac> leftyfb: look at what you pasted. its most likely not the one from shiretoko window
[21:07] <asac> there is no CLASS
[21:08] <asac> hmm. guess its just not a complete paste
[21:08] <sebner> asac: anything else?
[21:09] <asac> leftyfb: let me do it
[21:10] <asac> done
[21:10] <leftyfb> sorry, you were right
[21:10] <leftyfb> oops, i attached a proper one as well
[21:10] <asac> sebner: i think that should be good enough for now
[21:11] <sebner> kk
[21:11] <asac> leftyfb: ok
[21:11] <asac> sebner: if i need more i will see in next backtrace
[21:12] <sebner> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/217249/
[21:13] <asac> sebner: too bad ... no libGL symbols
[21:13] <asac> sebner: do you hav /usr/lib/debug/libGL.so* ?
[21:14] <asac> oh i mean
[21:14] <asac> sebner: do you hav /usr/lib/debug/lib/libGL.so* ?
[21:14] <sebner> asac: nope
[21:14] <asac> sebner: did you install the mesa dbg package at all?
[21:14] <asac> or dbgsym?
[21:15] <asac> dpkg -L lib...-dbg
[21:15] <asac> (or whatever you have installed)
[21:15] <sebner> asac: I installed libgl1-mesa-glx-dbg
[21:15] <asac> so dpkg -L libgl1-mesa-glx-dbg please
[21:15] <sebner> asac: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[21:15] <sebner>   ;)
[21:15] <asac> aha
[21:15] <asac> hmm
[21:16] <asac> sebner: maybe explictly add that dir to your LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[21:16] <asac> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/
[21:16] <asac> though that should work oob
[21:16] <sebner> asac: now re-run gdb?
[21:16] <asac> yes
[21:16] <sebner> kk
[21:17] <sebner> asac: still no symbols for libGL.so http://paste.ubuntu.com/217254/
[21:18] <asac> sounds bad
[21:18] <asac> previously you got an ABRT
[21:18] <asac> now SEGFAULT
[21:19] <asac> means that the process is pretty much broken
[21:19] <sebner> grrr
[21:19] <asac> e.g. the stacktrace is meaningless
[21:19] <asac> corrupted process
[21:19] <asac> sebner: so you tried nspluginwrapper, right?
[21:20] <asac> could you verify that a npviewer process is running?
[21:21] <sebner> asac: nope
[21:22] <asac> i think that would make sense to do
[21:22] <asac> try nspluginwrapper
[21:25] <sebner> asac: howto?
[21:26] <asac> sebner: apt-get install nspluginwrapper should do afaik
[21:27] <sebner> asac: ehm I told you hours ago that I tried it with and without nspluginwrapper ^^
[21:33] <asac> sebner: yes, but you said you didnt when i asked if you verified that you actually had npviewer processes running
[21:34] <asac> (e.g. nspluginwrapper worked)
[21:34] <asac> sebner: do you have something special for your dns setup?
[21:34] <asac> because your traces are always in HostLookup or something
[21:35] <sebner> asac: I use DNS giving from ISP (trying to speed up connection)
[21:38] <asac> sebner: you mean through dhcp/ppp? or did you install a special package for that?
[21:39] <sebner> asac: nope. dhcp
[21:43] <asac> sebner: so please file a bug with all the information we got and a couple of backtraces
[21:43] <asac> sebner: also you could run firefox in valgrind
[21:43] <asac> that might reveal some memory corruptions
[21:44] <asac> sorry if its already filed
[21:45] <sebner> asac: IIRC I showed you already this bug on LP
[21:46] <asac> sebner: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469439
[21:46] <asac> thats the upstream one
[21:47] <asac> https://bug493541.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=386469
[21:47] <asac> sebner: could you apt-get source xulrunner-1.9.2 and then put that file in debian/patches
[21:47] <asac> and add the file name in debian/patches/series
[21:47] <asac> and run debuild -b ;)
[21:47] <asac> then install xulrunner and see if its gone
[21:48] <asac> micahg: ^^
[21:48] <asac> so if flash crashes happen on nvidia stuff thats probably the bug ;)
[21:50] <sebner> asac: buh, kk ^^
[21:50] <sebner> asac: E: Unable to find a source package for xulrunner-1.9.2 lool
[21:51] <asac> sebner: add the dailies to your sources
[21:51] <asac> sebner: didnt you say you had this on 3.6?
[21:51] <sebner> asac: oh wait. fta repo!
[21:51] <BUGabundo> ohh I forgot: asac my FF lost all known apps to open downloaded files :(
[21:52] <asac> BUGabundo: version? when did this start?
[21:52] <asac> BUGabundo: tried with all extensions disabled?
[21:52] <asac> fresh profile ;)?
[21:52] <BUGabundo> asac: either today  or yesterday
[21:53] <asac> BUGabundo: what updates did you get besides xulrunner?
[21:53] <BUGabundo> may be related with me purging all apps ff related
[21:53] <BUGabundo> maybe a package missing
[21:53] <BUGabundo> asac: its karmic... its more what _didn't_ I do!
[21:53] <asac> BUGabundo: you need to install firefox-3.6-gnome-support
[21:53] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[21:54] <BUGabundo> shouldn't that be a dep?
[21:54] <fta> ~fta is old
[21:55] <BUGabundo> happy bday then !
[21:57]  * BUGabundo hopes fta denies that in the next 3 secs or it will be all over the intertubes...
[21:57]  * BUGabundo 3
[21:57]  * BUGabundo 2
[21:57]  * BUGabundo 1
[21:57]  * BUGabundo 0
[21:58] <asac> hehe
[21:58] <micahg> asac: do you remember that you wanted me to see?
[21:58] <asac> rumours ;)
[21:58] <asac> micahg: yes. the flash bugs
[21:58] <asac> i posted a few lines above
[21:58] <micahg> ah, thanks
[21:58]  * BUGabundo -1
[21:58] <BUGabundo> too late
[21:59] <micahg> should I subscribe
[22:01] <micahg> asac: ^^
[22:02] <micahg> also asac, regarding teh window name bug, should I just propose a workaround to chagne the name of the window in about:config?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> I told you fta!
[22:03] <fta> xul in ~fta/ppa is old
[22:04] <BUGabundo> no complaining now :x
[22:04] <fta> i don't read everything here, you guys speak too much
[22:06] <asac> micahg: you can change the window name you get in xprop in about:config?
[22:06] <sebner> asac: gnah, I bet building epiphany would be faster *cough* :P
[22:07] <BUGabundo> fta: i agree this # is becoming more noisy
[22:07] <BUGabundo> fta: and you say more devs are needed here ahah
[22:08] <fta> more code, less talk ;)
[22:08] <BUGabundo> fta: but I did mention your nick. don't you highlight?
[22:09] <fta> xchat is broken, no more notification / blinking tray
[22:09] <asac> sebner: well. epiphany doesnt build the rendering engine ;)
[22:09] <asac> sebner: builf firefox-3.0
[22:09] <asac> that takes like 2-3 minutes
[22:09] <asac> i think ephy takes longer ;)
[22:09] <sebner> asac: s/epiphany/webkit :P
[22:15] <micahg> asac: not sure, I guess it depends on how xprop gets the name
[22:16] <sebner> asac: I think I'm building since 20 minutes? O_o
[22:23] <asac> sebner: what spec has your system?
[22:24] <asac> sebner: have you built webkit?
[22:24] <sebner> asac: 1gb ram, core2 2ghz
[22:24] <asac> micahg: i dont think so. the name is really something thats not configurable. its compiled in hard afaik
[22:24] <sebner> nah 2gb ram
[22:24] <sebner> ^^
[22:24] <asac> yeah so probably 30 minutes
[22:24] <sebner> grr
[22:25] <sebner> asac: next time you tell me ealier so I compile on family pc. Quadcore, 4GB ram :P
[22:25] <asac> heh. thought it was well known tha txul is a bi of a build beast ;)
[22:26] <sebner> depending on "a bit" :P
[22:27] <asac> yeah
[22:29] <sebner> asac: but debhelper is already running :D
[22:29] <asac> yeah ;)
[22:29] <asac> that makes waiting more comfortable ;)
[22:30] <sebner> dh_builddeb -pxulrunner-1.9.2
[22:30] <sebner> \o/
[22:30] <asac> hehe
[22:30] <asac> hopefully you added/enabled the patch properly ;)
[22:30] <asac> if not you can do an incremental build
[22:31] <sebner> I love quilt and quilt loves me :P
[22:31] <asac> so no need to do a full rebuild
[22:31] <asac> even better
[22:31] <BUGabundo> asac: do you run gnome ?
[22:31] <BUGabundo> I need some one to test dragging an applet
[22:32] <sebner> asac: btw, ever tried to silence lintian?  ^ ^
[22:32] <asac> i usually ignore lintian
[22:32] <asac> unless i feel its a severe ;)
[22:33] <sebner> asac: hehe
[22:33] <sebner> asac: *not* working btw
[22:34] <asac> if you have a few in mind you wnt to fix let me know which ;)
[22:34] <asac> sebner: check that your patch is really applied
[22:34] <asac> sebner: also you might want to copy the stub to firefox
[22:35] <sebner> asac: grr
[22:35] <asac> cp xulrunner-stub /path/to/firefox-3.6/firefox
[22:35] <asac> wait ;)
[22:35] <asac> if firefox is the binary at least ;)
[22:35] <sebner> höhöhö
[22:35] <asac> yes it is
[22:36] <asac> so copy that way
[22:36] <asac> otherwise you wont get the jemalloc fixes everywhere i guess
[22:36] <sebner> asac: it'S /usr/lib/firefox-3.6a1pre/firefox-3.6 :P
[22:38] <asac> yes
[22:41] <sebner> asac: doesn't seem to work. Let's investigate tomorrow. I suppose it's also short before midnight in germany :P
[22:43] <sebner> gn8 folks!
[22:44] <BUGabundo> bye
[22:46] <micahg> asac: we don't support randon ff ext from amo, right?
[22:47] <asac> micahg: ack
[22:47] <asac> 'night sebner
[22:50] <micahg> asac: I started sitting in bugs-announce
[22:50] <asac> micahg: bugs-announce?
[22:50] <micahg> ubuntu-bug-announce
[22:50] <micahg> *bugs
[22:50] <asac> whats that?
[22:50] <asac> just new bugs?
[22:50] <asac> or all bugs?
[22:51] <micahg> new bugs as they come in
[22:51] <asac> hmm
[22:51] <asac> ok
[22:51] <micahg> The topic for #ubuntu-bugs-announce is: New Ubuntu bug reports announced by EeeBotu! | Status and info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikeRooney/EeeBotu
[22:51] <asac> dont do that if it takes too much time to read everything
[22:51] <micahg> nah
[22:51] <asac> at least filter out only the packages you care abuot ;)(
[22:51] <micahg> there aren't too many
[22:51] <micahg> well, I look at the package name to see if I care about the bug
[22:52] <asac> ah its a channel
[22:52] <asac> ok
[22:52] <micahg> yeah
[22:52] <micahg> so it's like any other channel
[22:52] <micahg> if I likes, what's on the screen ,I read it :)
[22:52] <asac> i think in the past that was in ubuntu-bugs
[22:52] <asac> but that became too much and stopped discussion
[22:53] <micahg> yeah, but hte channel probably got flooded
[22:53] <micahg> that's how I caught that issue with the ff instal instructions
[22:53] <micahg> it didn't have a package
[22:53] <micahg> but I saw the tile
[22:53] <micahg> *title
[22:58] <asac> heh
[22:58] <asac> lots of packages get filed wihtout packages. but i think there are folks looking for those already regularly
[22:58] <asac> so they should -in theory - become firefox bugs at some point ;)
[22:58] <micahg> yes
[22:59] <micahg> but I had someone jsut throw something in the firefox metapackage
[22:59] <micahg> or rather the old ff2 package
[22:59] <micahg> instead of ff3
[23:02] <asac> micahg: right. correct them. new triages should usually know that
[23:02] <asac> not sure how to better communicate it ;)
[23:04] <asac> http://linuxgamezoo.com/2009/07/eternal-lands/
[23:22] <micahg> asac: I was going to add a note to teh choose the right package wiki page
[23:38]  * BUGabundo $ sleep; echo you don't have super sheep powers!
[23:40] <bluekuja> asac, cgmail ready
[23:40] <bluekuja> asac, it's a really important package
[23:40] <bluekuja> asac, users wait it since an year now
[23:41] <bluekuja> asac, and someone tried to steal it to me
[23:41] <bluekuja> asac, lol
[23:42] <asac> bluekuja: why do you complain? you disappeared for a year, so its your fault
[23:42] <bluekuja> asac, I know
[23:42] <bluekuja> asac, that's why it's so important
[23:42] <asac> do you feel at least a little abad about going MIA for a year ?
[23:42] <bluekuja> yep, I am really really sorry for that
[23:43] <asac> ok
[23:43] <asac> i didnt get that feeling so far ;)
[23:43] <asac> will you drop out in a few month for another year?
[23:43] <bluekuja> nope, I'm back to stay
[23:44] <asac> i mean i remember that i vouched for you in the debian maintainer process even - what happened to it?
[23:44] <bluekuja> happened that I gonna restart it
[23:44] <bluekuja> with the objective to finish it
[23:44] <asac> yeah. but you cause work on all sides
[23:44] <asac> anyway, just do it better this time :)
[23:44] <asac> send a mail for cgmail ... i will check if i can do that tomorrow
[23:45] <asac> both uploads
[23:45] <bluekuja> ok
[23:45] <bluekuja> what do you mean with work on all side?
[23:45] <asac> well, folks probably ping you, ask around
[23:45] <bluekuja> yeah
[23:46] <bluekuja> asac, well, I'm sorry that I left for an year
[23:46] <asac_> 00:45 < bluekuja> what do you mean with work on all side?
[23:46] <asac_> 00:45 < asac> well, folks probably ping you, ask around
[23:46] <asac_> 00:45 < asac> etc.
[23:46] <asac_> (reconnect)
[23:47] <bluekuja> yeah, I'm sorry for that, moreover on this year I left my packages unmantained
[23:47] <asac_> and you take a slot for a application maintainer that otherwise could hav been assigned to some other NM applicant and so on
[23:47] <bluekuja> and ppl asked for new releases
[23:47] <bluekuja> and so on
[23:47] <bluekuja> but hey, I'm back, and I'm catching everything back working day and night
[23:48] <asac_> thats good.
[23:48] <asac_> just wanted to emphasize that MIA is really bad
[23:48] <bluekuja> I know
[23:48] <asac_> you can say: hey guys, i am going on 1 year holiday
[23:48] <asac_> etc. but just dropping out ... :)
[23:48] <asac_> fine
[23:48] <asac_> then lets look forward
[23:49] <bluekuja> yeah, but this time I'll end the NM
[23:49] <bluekuja> that's a promise
[23:51] <bluekuja> asac, mail sent with all informations you may need
[23:52] <micahg> asac: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage#Firefox%20Bugs
[23:53] <asac_> bluekuja: thanks
[23:54] <bluekuja> asac_, np, thanks to you
[23:54] <bluekuja> asac_, going to sleep, my gf is waiting me
[23:55] <asac_> enjoy
[23:55] <asac_> ;)
[23:55] <bluekuja> ty :)
[23:55] <bluekuja> have a good night too