| * mneptok stares at Channy | 01:38 | |
| Paddy_NI | hey piracy discussion on #ubuntu | 01:40 |
|---|---|---|
| mneptok | Paddy_NI: anything we can help you with? | 01:40 |
| Paddy_NI | mneptok: no.. not you | 01:41 |
| Paddy_NI | kthxbye | 01:41 |
| mneptok | Paddy_NI: is that all? | 01:41 |
| Paddy_NI | Are there any ops here apart from mneptok? | 01:41 |
| Paddy_NI | mneptok: welcome to ignore :D | 01:41 |
| mneptok | /ignore'ing ops is a dangerous gambit | 01:42 |
| mneptok | (as is the veiled threat of | 01:42 |
| mneptok | "i'm logging you" | 01:43 |
| Paddy_NI | May I speak to an channel operator apart from mneptok please? | 01:43 |
| nalioth | ctmjr: is there something we can help you with? | 01:44 |
| ctmjr | well was going to ask how to get a cloak but found it myself i ask in freenode correct? | 01:45 |
| nalioth | for an unaffiliated cloak? | 01:45 |
| ctmjr | yes for now | 01:45 |
| nalioth | saved you a trip :p | 01:46 |
| ctmjr | thank you very much | 01:46 |
| nalioth | you're welcome | 01:46 |
| mneptok | nalioth: care to see what Paddy_NI has to say other than reporting !ot? if nothing else is on his agenda, it might be good to remind him of the no idling policy. apparently, i am /ignore'd. | 01:48 |
| * mneptok will be nice and not remind him of the policy while on /ignore | 01:48 | |
| nalioth | Paddy_NI: 1247446108 19:48 <+mneptok> nalioth: care to see what Paddy_NI has to say other than reporting !ot? if nothing else is on his agenda, it might be good to remind him of the no idling policy. apparently, i am ignore'd. | 01:50 |
| * mneptok tips his hat toward TX | 01:51 | |
| Paddy_NI | nalioth: apparently piracy is okay now | 01:51 |
| nalioth | Paddy_NI: did you have anything else? | 01:51 |
| Paddy_NI | nalioth: apparently not.. pity people dont know how to do their jobs any more | 01:52 |
| mneptok | my "job" | 01:52 |
| mneptok | apparently people don;t have the sense not to tell other people how to do their jobs any more. | 01:53 |
| nalioth | one man's "piracy" is another mans "what the devil are you talking about, sir?" | 01:53 |
| mneptok | yarrr. | 01:54 |
| mneptok | me hearty. | 01:54 |
| mneptok | 18:58 < th0r> xorso: if you changed the boot order the computer would read the cd first and not hang on the hd, but the net nazi doesn't like that idea | 01:59 |
| mneptok | 18:58 < Paddy_NI> th0r: whom is the net nazi? | 01:59 |
| mneptok | 18:59 < mneptok> Paddy_NI: please do not feed the troll. and please acknowledge that you have read my request. | 01:59 |
| mneptok | i suspect he will not answer. putting ops on /ignore is a bad idea. | 02:00 |
| nalioth | yep | 02:00 |
| mneptok | i'll ban forward him here to correct his mistake. but i suspect someone else will have to explain why it's not a good idea. | 02:00 |
| nalioth | nah, he can talk to you | 02:01 |
| * nalioth hangs the ticket on mneptok's peg | 02:01 | |
| tsimpson | not if he's on /ignore | 02:01 |
| nalioth | guess he'll just have to unignore . . . | 02:01 |
| tsimpson | :) | 02:01 |
| Madpilot | Paddy_NI has whiffed of troll before, IIRC. The name seems too familiar. | 02:02 |
| tsimpson | I think I recognise it from -ot, but not sure if that's a good or bad thing | 02:03 |
| mneptok | not sure if it's Paddy_EIRE | 02:03 |
| nalioth | unfortunately, it's quite similar to one of freenode's finest . . . | 02:04 |
| nalioth | an no, paddy_eire is not a troll | 02:04 |
| mneptok | agreed. | 02:04 |
| mneptok | and Paddy_EIRE wouldn't put me on /ignore | 02:04 |
| mneptok | (as much as he may want to) | 02:04 |
| tsimpson | I mean, I've seen it in -ot | 02:05 |
| mneptok | he's in -ot now | 02:06 |
| tsimpson | was yesterday (for me) too | 02:06 |
| tsimpson | goose: hi, can we help you? | 02:22 |
| tsimpson | goose: this is not #ubuntu, you have been forwarded here because of you attitude in #ubuntu | 02:24 |
| goose | how sweet; I'll be sure to modify my startup script as to reflect such | 02:25 |
| tsimpson | maybe someone should just change the forward to plain ban | 02:26 |
| elky_work | maybe not a troll, but certainly a pseudotroll | 03:23 |
| ubottu | FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 04:35 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 04:35 |
| ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 04:35 |
| Flannel | !away > Kyon0`Away | 05:15 |
| ubottu | FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 06:32 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 06:32 |
| ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 06:32 |
| Flannel | no k train? | 06:33 |
| Flannel | Also, floodbots seem to not be banning victims | 06:34 |
| nalioth | Flannel: the train has already left | 06:34 |
| Flannel | So I can remove my ban? | 06:35 |
| nalioth | if you want to | 06:50 |
| Paddy_NI | Excuse me why have I been kicked from #ubuntu? | 08:11 |
| Paddy_NI | Could anyone tell me why I have been banned from #ubuntu ? | 08:13 |
| Paddy_NI | topyli: Are you here? | 08:14 |
| Madpilot | Paddy_NI, for /ignore on an op, far as I know | 08:18 |
| Paddy_NI | I am perfectly within my rights | 08:18 |
| Paddy_NI | there are many other ops that could have talked to me | 08:19 |
| Paddy_NI | the one that is not doing his job properly kicked me | 08:19 |
| Paddy_NI | rather *banned* me | 08:19 |
| Madpilot | hmm, reading the scrollback, there's also the feeding of trolls mentioned, but mostly the quasi-trollishness of /ignore mneptok | 08:21 |
| Paddy_NI | there are no trolling I have the scroll back here | 08:21 |
| Paddy_NI | show me where I trolled | 08:21 |
| Madpilot | 18:58 < Paddy_NI> th0r: whom is the net nazi? | 08:22 |
| Madpilot | 18:59 < mneptok> Paddy_NI: please do not feed the troll. and please acknowledge that you have read my request. | 08:22 |
| Paddy_NI | Madpilot: yes.. as it was directed at me | 08:22 |
| Paddy_NI | Madpilot: so I got banned for that | 08:23 |
| Paddy_NI | I chose to ignore an op that was not doing his job properly.. If he could please get over this childish huff that would be great thanks | 08:23 |
| mneptok | 19:00 <+mneptok> 18:58 < th0r> xorso: if you changed the boot order the computer would read the cd first and not hang on the hd, but the net nazi doesn't like that idea | 08:23 |
| mneptok | NOT directed at Paddy_NI | 08:24 |
| Madpilot | ah, you are still up | 08:24 |
| Paddy_NI | mneptok: yes it was.. | 08:24 |
| Madpilot | you're xorso as well? | 08:24 |
| mneptok | Paddy_NI: your nick is not xorso. and even if it was, do not feed trolls. | 08:24 |
| mneptok | !feedthetroll | 08:24 |
| ubottu | The above mess was caused by someone who thought it was funny (they're gone now). Please ignore it completely, since discussing it and making a fuss will only make them think they've reached their "fun" goal. | 08:24 |
| mneptok | we even have a factoid to that effect | 08:24 |
| Paddy_NI | mneptok: still not an excuse to ban me from the channel | 08:24 |
| Paddy_NI | and you banned me much later on | 08:25 |
| Paddy_NI | after the fact. | 08:25 |
| Paddy_NI | which shows a rather childish over use of power in my opinion | 08:25 |
| tsimpson | you say "I chose to ignore an op that was not doing his job properly", what is your interpretation of "not doing his job properly"? | 08:25 |
| mneptok | you were banned for not responding when i asked for an acknowledgment that you had read my request, and failed to do so. | 08:25 |
| Paddy_NI | there was piracy discussion in the channel that he completely dismissed | 08:25 |
| mneptok | i asked people to stop. more than once. | 08:26 |
| Paddy_NI | mneptok: you may have asked another op | 08:26 |
| mneptok | that's as far as i chose to take it. | 08:26 |
| Paddy_NI | you knew I ignored you | 08:26 |
| mneptok | that was your decision. you live with the consequences of it. | 08:26 |
| tsimpson | it's not your place to decide what his "job" is | 08:26 |
| tsimpson | especially since ops are volunteers | 08:27 |
| Paddy_NI | This is really very biased.. is piracy not against the rules of the channel.. and is it not the ops responsibility to deal with it | 08:27 |
| tsimpson | if you think there was some major transgression, the you should report it | 08:27 |
| Paddy_NI | to whom | 08:27 |
| tsimpson | rather than just /ignore the op | 08:27 |
| Madpilot | Paddy_NI, given that you were right in the middle of the piracy discussion, you're not being too convincing right now | 08:27 |
| Paddy_NI | Madpilot: explain that | 08:28 |
| tsimpson | here or to the mailing list | 08:28 |
| Paddy_NI | I was telling them to stop | 08:28 |
| tsimpson | or the IRCC mailing list | 08:28 |
| Flannel | Paddy_NI: It's not our job to find someone who you will listen to; if you don't listen when asked, it's a problem, regardless of who asked you. | 08:28 |
| Madpilot | Paddy_NI, you were getting right into !feedthetroll territory | 08:28 |
| Paddy_NI | I guess so.. but nothing was being done about it for quite a while Madpilot I was just showing a little initiative | 08:29 |
| mneptok | 18:37 < Paddy_NI> Reitz: simply telephone dell then | 08:29 |
| mneptok | 18:37 < Paddy_NI> gogeta: yes.. it is | 08:29 |
| mneptok | 18:37 < Paddy_NI> gogeta: read the eula instead of making up your own rules | 08:29 |
| mneptok | 18:37 < Paddy_NI> it is | 08:29 |
| mneptok | 18:37 < Paddy_NI> and it should stop | 08:29 |
| mneptok | 18:38 < Paddy_NI> gogeta: not to pirate it though | 08:29 |
| mneptok | 18:38 < Paddy_NI> gogeta: your morals are very loose | 08:29 |
| mneptok | 18:38 < gogeta> Paddy_NI: downloading a iso is not pirate unless you dont own it | 08:29 |
| mneptok | 18:38 < Paddy_NI> gogeta: and he does not. | 08:29 |
| mneptok | 18:38 < mneptok> gogeta Paddy_NI: drop it, please | 08:29 |
| mneptok | 18:39 < Madpilot> gogeta, Paddy_NI, Reitz, whoever else - #ubuntu-offtopic or ##windows, please. Not here. | 08:29 |
| mneptok | 18:39 < Paddy_NI> Reitz: what does linux have to do with pirating windows? | 08:29 |
| mneptok | 18:40 < Paddy_NI> Reitz: telephone dell and I *guarantee* that you will not get a rar file ;) | 08:29 |
| mneptok | that looks like a bit more than telling people to stop | 08:29 |
| Paddy_NI | mneptok: I was trying to reason with them | 08:30 |
| mneptok | and that looks like a bit more than telling people to stop | 08:30 |
| Madpilot | two or three minutes is not really 'quite a while' when #ubuntu is busy, either | 08:30 |
| Paddy_NI | well however I find the ban completely unnecessary especially since it only just took place a little while ago | 08:31 |
| mneptok | i banned you much earlier. | 08:31 |
| mneptok | then i banned you a few minutes ago when your hostmask changed. | 08:31 |
| mneptok | i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were not deliberately evading. | 08:32 |
| Paddy_NI | Okay is there any chance that the ban can be lifted.. as the main error I made was to ignore you | 08:32 |
| Paddy_NI | mneptok: no I am not deliberately evading | 08:32 |
| mneptok | placing ops on /ignore is dangerous, as you have discovered. | 08:33 |
| Paddy_NI | Well I guess I learned the hard way | 08:33 |
| mneptok | telling me my what my "job" is does not make me happy. the veiled threat of "i'm logging this" makes me even less happy. i'd like to be happy. | 08:34 |
| mneptok | the ban is removed. | 08:37 |
| mneptok | please play nicely. | 08:37 |
| Paddy_NI | mneptok: thank you, I apologise for my attitude earlier | 08:37 |
| mneptok | appreciated, but not necessary. | 08:37 |
| Paddy_NI | thanks | 08:37 |
| bazhang | any ideas who masterbot was yesterday? had to kill my xchat session to escape from the dcc sends it was trying to give me | 14:11 |
| nalioth | bazhang: not sure why, it flooded itself off almost instantly | 14:30 |
| bazhang | nalioth, thanks :) | 14:31 |
| nalioth | as far as i saw, it only sent 3 DCC attempts | 14:35 |
| bazhang | that was what I got; was away so could not cancel quickly enough | 14:36 |
| * nalioth reserves his opinion on xchat | 14:37 | |
| nalioth | you DO have it set to not accept DCC automatically, right? | 14:37 |
| bazhang | now I do :) | 14:37 |
| * nalioth facepalms | 14:38 | |
| Pici | Is the default setting to allow them through? | 14:44 |
| bazhang | yep | 14:45 |
| Tm_T | Pici: allow AND run too! | 14:45 |
| bazhang | on xchat at least | 14:45 |
| Pici | Yuck, thats quite a bit of a security hole imo | 14:45 |
| Tm_T | Pici: FYI, that run part was a joke, I hope | 14:45 |
| Pici | Tm_T: I hope too | 14:46 |
| Pici | odd | 15:11 |
| bazhang | policy on bots? if silent leave alone, or just kick if permission not asked? toxbot_ is not responding to PM or communication in channel | 15:25 |
| Tm_T | if it is verified to be bot, remove with point to bot policy | 15:26 |
| Tm_T | IMO | 15:27 |
| nalioth | yep | 15:27 |
| bazhang | two of them in fact toxbot_ and toxbot__ | 15:27 |
| nalioth | "all bots need approval" | 15:27 |
| bazhang | and Mystic as well | 15:29 |
| nalioth | yeah, run 'em all out | 15:35 |
| jussi01 | Ladies and Gents, we just wanted to run over the "Ubuntu operator expectations" quickly, as it is a good thing to keep refreshed on what is expected of you. | 17:34 |
| jussi01 | [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+Amaranth ] [+Gary ] [+mneptok ] [+stew ] [ fdoving ] [ ubot3 ] | 17:34 |
| jussi01 | [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+bazhang ] [+ikonia ] [+nalioth ] [+SWAT ] [ JanC ] [ ubot4 ] | 17:34 |
| jussi01 | [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+christel ] [+jpds ] [+Pici ] [+Tm_T ] [ jdong ] [ ubottu ] | 17:34 |
| jussi01 | [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+Dave2 ] [+jrib ] [+pleia2 ] [+tomaw ] [ jdong_ ] [ ubuntulog] | 17:34 |
| jussi01 | [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+Daviey ] [+jussi01 ] [+popey ] [+tonyyarusso] [ juliux ] [ Ursinha ] | 17:34 |
| jussi01 | [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+DLange ] [+jussi01_ ] [+Pricey ] [+topyli ] [ Nafallo ] | 17:34 |
| jussi01 | [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+elky ] [+Mamarok ] [+robotgeek ] [+tritium ] [ Riddell ] | 17:34 |
| jussi01 | [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+elky_work] [+Martinp23] [+Seeker` ] [+tsimpson ] [ ryanakca] | 17:34 |
| jussi01 | [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+Flannel ] [+Mez ] [+SportChick] [+vorian ] [ ubot2 ] | 17:35 |
| jussi01 | oh dear, that wasnt supposed to paste | 17:35 |
| popey | got everyone listening though, no doubt | 17:35 |
| topyli | at least you have an audience :) | 17:35 |
| bazhang | hehe | 17:35 |
| jussi01 | ANyway, I now hand over to nalioth to continue | 17:35 |
| stew | one thing that is expected of you, is to know how to use copy/paste :P | 17:36 |
| topyli | we're doing a podcast in 25min here though | 17:36 |
| nalioth | we are not like any other operating system / distro | 17:36 |
| * jussi01 hugs stew | 17:36 | |
| nalioth | we should not act like the others here, either | 17:36 |
| jrib | eh? | 17:36 |
| Nafallo | oh hai! | 17:36 |
| jrib | leave bots that don't talk alone :/ | 17:37 |
| nalioth | to wit, when there are troublemakers, we should keep a "ladder of resolution" in mind when dealing with them, and our first interaction should be a PM | 17:37 |
| nalioth | a PM with "this is why your behaviour is not acceptable" can sometimes turn a troublemaker into an asset | 17:37 |
| jrib | honestly, I can't remember the last time that has worked for me | 17:38 |
| nalioth | if the PM doesn't serve to mitigate the bad behaviour, a limited +q or a /remove should be used | 17:38 |
| nalioth | kickbans should only be used as a last resort - never a first response | 17:39 |
| nalioth | jrib: back in the day, it worked wonderfully | 17:39 |
| nalioth | anyway, we've gotten away from "the kinder, gentler folks" that we are here on the irc, and it's not pretty :( | 17:40 |
| nalioth | any questionss or comments? | 17:41 |
| jussi01 | No one has comments? | 17:42 |
| nalioth | freenode isn't an "old school" network, and neither should Ubuntu be an "old school" community | 17:43 |
| bazhang | PM idea has merit ; if they are capable of suasion in cases like ifailatlife and one other yesterday where they are flooding huge lines of nonsense though, not so much | 17:44 |
| nalioth | the PM idea works. we used it to good effect in the early days | 17:45 |
| * Amaranth wonders what early days nalioth is remembering | 17:45 | |
| bazhang | sure it does, when they enter right off the bat with obscenities and huge floods though not so much | 17:45 |
| Pici | We also asked that people start using it again about 6 months ago, but it has fell into disuse again. I admit, I'm one of the people who stopped doing it as well,. | 17:46 |
| jussi01 | bazhang: there is a guide to when to use certain types of bans on the operator guidelines page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/OperatorGuidelines ) I trust you have read it? | 17:47 |
| bazhang | jussi01, yes I have, will read it once more thanks | 17:48 |
| * Amaranth hasn't read it :P | 17:48 | |
| Amaranth | oh, that page used to have another name, didn't it? | 17:48 |
| jussi01 | Anyway, As I mentioned before, the purpose of this little discussion was to refresh, and remind. :) | 17:48 |
| Pici | Don't be afraid to ask here too if you aren't sure whether a kick or ban or whatever was necessary. | 17:49 |
| jussi01 | The other operators and the IRC council are here to help you if needed. sometimes its best to talk it out, to gain a little more objectivity. | 17:51 |
| topyli | well, i'm all for ubuntu being extra nice, including the ops | 17:53 |
| bazhang | they are nice already | 17:53 |
| Mez | bazhang: depends who you ask :D | 18:21 |
| bazhang | Mez, true :) | 18:21 |
| bazhang | those being banned in -ot especially (power mad operators!!!1) | 18:22 |
| ubottu | In #ubuntu, wizzo50 said: ubottu: What is the difference between the 2? | 19:29 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, wizzo50 said: BestBot What is the difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu and which is the best to use? | 19:32 |
| Pici | .... | 19:32 |
| Pici | .... | 19:32 |
| Pici | come on! | 19:33 |
| bazhang | heh | 19:33 |
| Pici | I messaged him... | 19:33 |
| * genii sips | 19:58 | |
| * genii hands jussi01 a coffee | 20:05 | |
| * jussi01 waves, and politely declines the coffee... its almost bedtime | 20:19 | |
| Tm_T | jussi01: thanks for noticing (: | 20:22 |
| * mneptok reads backscroll | 20:56 | |
| mneptok | i'd be interested to know what prompts that reminder | 20:56 |
| ikonia | just read the reminder, seems fair enough, I assume it's just common sense stuff, if a guy jumps in with an obvious troll quieting him before talking to him is appropriate (I assume) | 21:04 |
| Ampelbein | hi there. you might want to watch for "imgoofygoober", he asked some troll-ish question in #ubuntu-classroom. | 21:16 |
| Ampelbein | i did not want to answer him because then he might just leave, but who knows what he is about to do. | 21:17 |
| ikonia | Ampelbein: I've not got any power in there but I'll have a look in | 21:32 |
| ikonia | Ampelbein: sometimes people can be "talked down" if they become a problem | 21:33 |
| Ampelbein | ikonia: seems he's a one-time troll only. | 21:33 |
| Ampelbein | ikonia: in my experience, arguing with those kind is complete waste of time. | 21:34 |
| ikonia | Ampelbein: does look it, but lets keep an eye out, thanks for the heads up | 21:34 |
| ikonia | Ampelbein: totally agree | 21:34 |
| Ampelbein | ikonia: ok, have fun with him in case he wakes up ;-) | 21:34 |
| ikonia | no problem | 21:34 |
| ikonia | thank you | 21:34 |
| ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 22:19 |
| ikonia | delt | 22:20 |
| jrib | that was actually kind of funny | 22:20 |
| ikonia | !staff | someguy1 targeted DCC exploit | 22:20 |
| ubottu | someguy1 targeted DCC exploit: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian, PriceChild or stew, I could use a bit of your time :) | 22:20 |
| jrib | should have muted him on his failed cat | 22:23 |
| ikonia | jrib: I was too slow | 22:24 |
| stew | 17:20 -!- someguy1 [n=mooncup@static-72-64-146-9.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [K-lined] | 22:24 |
| ikonia | ahh | 22:24 |
| ikonia | I'll remove the ban then | 22:24 |
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