[01:38] * mneptok stares at Channy [01:40] hey piracy discussion on #ubuntu [01:40] Paddy_NI: anything we can help you with? [01:41] mneptok: no.. not you [01:41] kthxbye [01:41] Paddy_NI: is that all? [01:41] Are there any ops here apart from mneptok? [01:41] mneptok: welcome to ignore :D [01:42] /ignore'ing ops is a dangerous gambit [01:42] (as is the veiled threat of [01:43] "i'm logging you" [01:43] May I speak to an channel operator apart from mneptok please? [01:44] ctmjr: is there something we can help you with? [01:45] well was going to ask how to get a cloak but found it myself i ask in freenode correct? [01:45] for an unaffiliated cloak? [01:45] yes for now [01:46] saved you a trip :p [01:46] thank you very much [01:46] you're welcome [01:48] nalioth: care to see what Paddy_NI has to say other than reporting !ot? if nothing else is on his agenda, it might be good to remind him of the no idling policy. apparently, i am /ignore'd. [01:48] * mneptok will be nice and not remind him of the policy while on /ignore [01:50] Paddy_NI: 1247446108 19:48 <+mneptok> nalioth: care to see what Paddy_NI has to say other than reporting !ot? if nothing else is on his agenda, it might be good to remind him of the no idling policy. apparently, i am ignore'd. [01:51] * mneptok tips his hat toward TX [01:51] nalioth: apparently piracy is okay now [01:51] Paddy_NI: did you have anything else? [01:52] nalioth: apparently not.. pity people dont know how to do their jobs any more [01:52] my "job" [01:53] apparently people don;t have the sense not to tell other people how to do their jobs any more. [01:53] one man's "piracy" is another mans "what the devil are you talking about, sir?" [01:54] yarrr. [01:54] me hearty. [01:59] 18:58 < th0r> xorso: if you changed the boot order the computer would read the cd first and not hang on the hd, but the net nazi doesn't like that idea [01:59] 18:58 < Paddy_NI> th0r: whom is the net nazi? [01:59] 18:59 < mneptok> Paddy_NI: please do not feed the troll. and please acknowledge that you have read my request. [02:00] i suspect he will not answer. putting ops on /ignore is a bad idea. [02:00] yep [02:00] i'll ban forward him here to correct his mistake. but i suspect someone else will have to explain why it's not a good idea. [02:01] nah, he can talk to you [02:01] * nalioth hangs the ticket on mneptok's peg [02:01] not if he's on /ignore [02:01] guess he'll just have to unignore . . . [02:01] :) [02:02] Paddy_NI has whiffed of troll before, IIRC. The name seems too familiar. [02:03] I think I recognise it from -ot, but not sure if that's a good or bad thing [02:03] not sure if it's Paddy_EIRE [02:04] unfortunately, it's quite similar to one of freenode's finest . . . [02:04] an no, paddy_eire is not a troll [02:04] agreed. [02:04] and Paddy_EIRE wouldn't put me on /ignore [02:04] (as much as he may want to) [02:05] I mean, I've seen it in -ot [02:06] he's in -ot now [02:06] was yesterday (for me) too [02:22] goose: hi, can we help you? [02:24] goose: this is not #ubuntu, you have been forwarded here because of you attitude in #ubuntu [02:25] how sweet; I'll be sure to modify my startup script as to reflect such [02:26] maybe someone should just change the forward to plain ban [03:23] maybe not a troll, but certainly a pseudotroll [04:35] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [04:35] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [04:35] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [05:15] !away > Kyon0`Away [06:32] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [06:32] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [06:32] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [06:33] no k train? [06:34] Also, floodbots seem to not be banning victims [06:34] Flannel: the train has already left [06:35] So I can remove my ban? [06:50] if you want to [08:11] Excuse me why have I been kicked from #ubuntu? [08:13] Could anyone tell me why I have been banned from #ubuntu ? [08:14] topyli: Are you here? [08:18] Paddy_NI, for /ignore on an op, far as I know [08:18] I am perfectly within my rights [08:19] there are many other ops that could have talked to me [08:19] the one that is not doing his job properly kicked me [08:19] rather *banned* me [08:21] hmm, reading the scrollback, there's also the feeding of trolls mentioned, but mostly the quasi-trollishness of /ignore mneptok [08:21] there are no trolling I have the scroll back here [08:21] show me where I trolled [08:22] 18:58 < Paddy_NI> th0r: whom is the net nazi? [08:22] 18:59 < mneptok> Paddy_NI: please do not feed the troll. and please acknowledge that you have read my request. [08:22] Madpilot: yes.. as it was directed at me [08:23] Madpilot: so I got banned for that [08:23] I chose to ignore an op that was not doing his job properly.. If he could please get over this childish huff that would be great thanks [08:23] 19:00 <+mneptok> 18:58 < th0r> xorso: if you changed the boot order the computer would read the cd first and not hang on the hd, but the net nazi doesn't like that idea [08:24] NOT directed at Paddy_NI [08:24] ah, you are still up [08:24] mneptok: yes it was.. [08:24] you're xorso as well? [08:24] Paddy_NI: your nick is not xorso. and even if it was, do not feed trolls. [08:24] !feedthetroll [08:24] The above mess was caused by someone who thought it was funny (they're gone now). Please ignore it completely, since discussing it and making a fuss will only make them think they've reached their "fun" goal. [08:24] we even have a factoid to that effect [08:24] mneptok: still not an excuse to ban me from the channel [08:25] and you banned me much later on [08:25] after the fact. [08:25] which shows a rather childish over use of power in my opinion [08:25] you say "I chose to ignore an op that was not doing his job properly", what is your interpretation of "not doing his job properly"? [08:25] you were banned for not responding when i asked for an acknowledgment that you had read my request, and failed to do so. [08:25] there was piracy discussion in the channel that he completely dismissed [08:26] i asked people to stop. more than once. [08:26] mneptok: you may have asked another op [08:26] that's as far as i chose to take it. [08:26] you knew I ignored you [08:26] that was your decision. you live with the consequences of it. [08:26] it's not your place to decide what his "job" is [08:27] especially since ops are volunteers [08:27] This is really very biased.. is piracy not against the rules of the channel.. and is it not the ops responsibility to deal with it [08:27] if you think there was some major transgression, the you should report it [08:27] to whom [08:27] rather than just /ignore the op [08:27] Paddy_NI, given that you were right in the middle of the piracy discussion, you're not being too convincing right now [08:28] Madpilot: explain that [08:28] here or to the mailing list [08:28] I was telling them to stop [08:28] or the IRCC mailing list [08:28] Paddy_NI: It's not our job to find someone who you will listen to; if you don't listen when asked, it's a problem, regardless of who asked you. [08:28] Paddy_NI, you were getting right into !feedthetroll territory [08:29] I guess so.. but nothing was being done about it for quite a while Madpilot I was just showing a little initiative [08:29] 18:37 < Paddy_NI> Reitz: simply telephone dell then [08:29] 18:37 < Paddy_NI> gogeta: yes.. it is [08:29] 18:37 < Paddy_NI> gogeta: read the eula instead of making up your own rules [08:29] 18:37 < Paddy_NI> it is [08:29] 18:37 < Paddy_NI> and it should stop [08:29] 18:38 < Paddy_NI> gogeta: not to pirate it though [08:29] 18:38 < Paddy_NI> gogeta: your morals are very loose [08:29] 18:38 < gogeta> Paddy_NI: downloading a iso is not pirate unless you dont own it [08:29] 18:38 < Paddy_NI> gogeta: and he does not. [08:29] 18:38 < mneptok> gogeta Paddy_NI: drop it, please [08:29] 18:39 < Madpilot> gogeta, Paddy_NI, Reitz, whoever else - #ubuntu-offtopic or ##windows, please. Not here. [08:29] 18:39 < Paddy_NI> Reitz: what does linux have to do with pirating windows? [08:29] 18:40 < Paddy_NI> Reitz: telephone dell and I *guarantee* that you will not get a rar file ;) [08:29] that looks like a bit more than telling people to stop [08:30] mneptok: I was trying to reason with them [08:30] and that looks like a bit more than telling people to stop [08:30] two or three minutes is not really 'quite a while' when #ubuntu is busy, either [08:31] well however I find the ban completely unnecessary especially since it only just took place a little while ago [08:31] i banned you much earlier. [08:31] then i banned you a few minutes ago when your hostmask changed. [08:32] i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were not deliberately evading. [08:32] Okay is there any chance that the ban can be lifted.. as the main error I made was to ignore you [08:32] mneptok: no I am not deliberately evading [08:33] placing ops on /ignore is dangerous, as you have discovered. [08:33] Well I guess I learned the hard way [08:34] telling me my what my "job" is does not make me happy. the veiled threat of "i'm logging this" makes me even less happy. i'd like to be happy. [08:37] the ban is removed. [08:37] please play nicely. [08:37] mneptok: thank you, I apologise for my attitude earlier [08:37] appreciated, but not necessary. [08:37] thanks [14:11] any ideas who masterbot was yesterday? had to kill my xchat session to escape from the dcc sends it was trying to give me [14:30] bazhang: not sure why, it flooded itself off almost instantly [14:31] nalioth, thanks :) [14:35] as far as i saw, it only sent 3 DCC attempts [14:36] that was what I got; was away so could not cancel quickly enough [14:37] * nalioth reserves his opinion on xchat [14:37] you DO have it set to not accept DCC automatically, right? [14:37] now I do :) [14:38] * nalioth facepalms [14:44] Is the default setting to allow them through? [14:45] yep [14:45] Pici: allow AND run too! [14:45] on xchat at least [14:45] Yuck, thats quite a bit of a security hole imo [14:45] Pici: FYI, that run part was a joke, I hope [14:46] Tm_T: I hope too [15:11] odd [15:25] policy on bots? if silent leave alone, or just kick if permission not asked? toxbot_ is not responding to PM or communication in channel [15:26] if it is verified to be bot, remove with point to bot policy [15:27] IMO [15:27] yep [15:27] two of them in fact toxbot_ and toxbot__ [15:27] "all bots need approval" [15:29] and Mystic as well [15:35] yeah, run 'em all out [17:34] Ladies and Gents, we just wanted to run over the "Ubuntu operator expectations" quickly, as it is a good thing to keep refreshed on what is expected of you. [17:34] [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+Amaranth ] [+Gary ] [+mneptok ] [+stew ] [ fdoving ] [ ubot3 ] [17:34] [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+bazhang ] [+ikonia ] [+nalioth ] [+SWAT ] [ JanC ] [ ubot4 ] [17:34] [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+christel ] [+jpds ] [+Pici ] [+Tm_T ] [ jdong ] [ ubottu ] [17:34] [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+Dave2 ] [+jrib ] [+pleia2 ] [+tomaw ] [ jdong_ ] [ ubuntulog] [17:34] [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+Daviey ] [+jussi01 ] [+popey ] [+tonyyarusso] [ juliux ] [ Ursinha ] [17:34] [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+DLange ] [+jussi01_ ] [+Pricey ] [+topyli ] [ Nafallo ] [17:34] [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+elky ] [+Mamarok ] [+robotgeek ] [+tritium ] [ Riddell ] [17:34] [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+elky_work] [+Martinp23] [+Seeker` ] [+tsimpson ] [ ryanakca] [17:35] [07/13/09 19:27:00] [+Flannel ] [+Mez ] [+SportChick] [+vorian ] [ ubot2 ] [17:35] oh dear, that wasnt supposed to paste [17:35] got everyone listening though, no doubt [17:35] at least you have an audience :) [17:35] hehe [17:35] ANyway, I now hand over to nalioth to continue [17:36] one thing that is expected of you, is to know how to use copy/paste :P [17:36] we're doing a podcast in 25min here though [17:36] we are not like any other operating system / distro [17:36] * jussi01 hugs stew [17:36] we should not act like the others here, either [17:36] eh? [17:36] oh hai! [17:37] leave bots that don't talk alone :/ [17:37] to wit, when there are troublemakers, we should keep a "ladder of resolution" in mind when dealing with them, and our first interaction should be a PM [17:37] a PM with "this is why your behaviour is not acceptable" can sometimes turn a troublemaker into an asset [17:38] honestly, I can't remember the last time that has worked for me [17:38] if the PM doesn't serve to mitigate the bad behaviour, a limited +q or a /remove should be used [17:39] kickbans should only be used as a last resort - never a first response [17:39] jrib: back in the day, it worked wonderfully [17:40] anyway, we've gotten away from "the kinder, gentler folks" that we are here on the irc, and it's not pretty :( [17:41] any questionss or comments? [17:42] No one has comments? [17:43] freenode isn't an "old school" network, and neither should Ubuntu be an "old school" community [17:44] PM idea has merit ; if they are capable of suasion in cases like ifailatlife and one other yesterday where they are flooding huge lines of nonsense though, not so much [17:45] the PM idea works. we used it to good effect in the early days [17:45] * Amaranth wonders what early days nalioth is remembering [17:45] sure it does, when they enter right off the bat with obscenities and huge floods though not so much [17:46] We also asked that people start using it again about 6 months ago, but it has fell into disuse again. I admit, I'm one of the people who stopped doing it as well,. [17:47] bazhang: there is a guide to when to use certain types of bans on the operator guidelines page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/OperatorGuidelines ) I trust you have read it? [17:48] jussi01, yes I have, will read it once more thanks [17:48] * Amaranth hasn't read it :P [17:48] oh, that page used to have another name, didn't it? [17:48] Anyway, As I mentioned before, the purpose of this little discussion was to refresh, and remind. :) [17:49] Don't be afraid to ask here too if you aren't sure whether a kick or ban or whatever was necessary. [17:51] The other operators and the IRC council are here to help you if needed. sometimes its best to talk it out, to gain a little more objectivity. [17:53] well, i'm all for ubuntu being extra nice, including the ops [17:53] they are nice already [18:21] bazhang: depends who you ask :D [18:21] Mez, true :) [18:22] those being banned in -ot especially (power mad operators!!!1) [19:29] In #ubuntu, wizzo50 said: ubottu: What is the difference between the 2? [19:32] In ubottu, wizzo50 said: BestBot What is the difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu and which is the best to use? [19:32] .... [19:32] .... [19:33] come on! [19:33] heh [19:33] I messaged him... [19:58] * genii sips [20:05] * genii hands jussi01 a coffee [20:19] * jussi01 waves, and politely declines the coffee... its almost bedtime [20:22] jussi01: thanks for noticing (: [20:56] * mneptok reads backscroll [20:56] i'd be interested to know what prompts that reminder [21:04] just read the reminder, seems fair enough, I assume it's just common sense stuff, if a guy jumps in with an obvious troll quieting him before talking to him is appropriate (I assume) [21:16] hi there. you might want to watch for "imgoofygoober", he asked some troll-ish question in #ubuntu-classroom. [21:17] i did not want to answer him because then he might just leave, but who knows what he is about to do. [21:32] Ampelbein: I've not got any power in there but I'll have a look in [21:33] Ampelbein: sometimes people can be "talked down" if they become a problem [21:33] ikonia: seems he's a one-time troll only. [21:34] ikonia: in my experience, arguing with those kind is complete waste of time. [21:34] Ampelbein: does look it, but lets keep an eye out, thanks for the heads up [21:34] Ampelbein: totally agree [21:34] ikonia: ok, have fun with him in case he wakes up ;-) [21:34] no problem [21:34] thank you [22:19] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [22:20] delt [22:20] that was actually kind of funny [22:20] !staff | someguy1 targeted DCC exploit [22:20] someguy1 targeted DCC exploit: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian, PriceChild or stew, I could use a bit of your time :) [22:23] should have muted him on his failed cat [22:24] jrib: I was too slow [22:24] 17:20 -!- someguy1 [n=mooncup@static-72-64-146-9.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [K-lined] [22:24] ahh [22:24] I'll remove the ban then