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* MacSlow -> lunch12:16
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mac_vmpt: ... i really have to appreciate your patience , kudos... still replying in Bug 332945 :)14:50
mpt:)14:50
mac_vmpt: would you consider implementing  Vincenzo's Idea? > https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00266.html 14:55
mac_vwould that be easy for a Karmic+1 cycle?14:55
mptmac_v, the basic problem with that proposal is described here: http://usablesecurity.com/2005/07/23/simon-says/14:57
djsiegel_danrabbit: I marked two papercuts in round-3 as affecting humanity14:57
djsiegel_just so you can have icons ready14:57
mac_vah... a valid point :)15:01
mac_vmpt: may i suggest renaming the update-notifier daemon > update-manager daemon . since its now working just as an update manger daemon, and there is no notifier15:05
mptmac_v, that makes sense to me. It might even make sense to merge them into a single program, I don't know.15:06
mac_vits just that a daemon named differently ,opening a different named app , creeps out users15:07
mac_vyour idea also sounds good15:08
* SiDi doesn't think a desktop app and a daemon should have the same name ~15:11
mac_v;p15:12
mptDoes that make evolution-data-server bad too?15:12
SiDino idea, i dont have evolution installed15:13
mac_vbut evolution is the default email/calander app, and it does have a calender and address book15:15
* mac_v used to actually hate not being able to remove it ;p15:16
mac_vmpt: initially "evolution" in the name confused me, wondered why evolution was still in the system even after i removed "evolution mail client", only later i realized what it was for15:19
mptI guess the distinction is that evolution-data-server is used for purposes other than Evolution. But update-notifier exists only to open update-manager.15:20
mac_vyeah, i got that about evolution only later...15:21
danrabbitdjsiegel: is that 2 papercuts that I need to fix or two papercuts that I *have* fixed?15:21
danrabbitdjsiegel_: ^15:22
danrabbitAh, I think I've discovered the two. Nautilus and Folders?15:29
danrabbitIf so, one is solved and the other is kind of upstream and I can't really do anything about it :p15:29
mac_vdanrabbit: are you involved in Humanity icon set?15:30
danrabbityep, I started it15:31
mac_vdanrabbit: why have all the icons been done in svg, and why is the max size only 48px?15:32
mac_vjust out of curiosity , why the theme has been done so15:33
danrabbitWell, SVG is just easier to work with15:33
danrabbitI can distribute the source and the working theme at the same time15:33
danrabbitso for collaboration, it's much easier.15:33
danrabbitAlso, in a lot of cases, I can get the file size of an SVG icon very very small in comparison to a PNG15:34
mac_voh...ok... because breathe has been doing svg source and rendering them in png, 15:34
danrabbitYea it just removes a step15:35
danrabbitAlso, I can copy my symlinks across all sizes and that removes quite a bit of work15:35
danrabbitIn your case it might not be as beneficial15:35
danrabbitelementary typically does not have as many elements as breath, I think15:36
mac_vi have been having a problem with a 48px svg not rendering properly , the shape gets distorted, but as a png the shape comes out well, why is that?15:36
mac_vdanrabbit: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/PNG.png , http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/SVG.png , any thoughts?15:37
MacSlowSiDi, if you interested I pushed a bit more of the current blur/surface-cache work to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~macslow/notify-osd/blur-cache (also with tests/examples using the new APIs)15:43
MacSlowSiDi, integration with notify-osd is still in the works15:43
SiDiMacSlow: i'll have a look15:43
SiDiI didnt understand what the tests were doing though MacSlow 15:44
SiDiMacSlow: i had a look at the code for XFCE integration, i can port the whole gconf stuff to xfconf if you're ok with it; Apparently the xubuntu devs should accept to ship a notify-osd-xfce package15:44
SiDi(when i say port, i mean as a compiling option. #ifndef __USE_XFCE <gconf code> #else <xfconf_code> #endif)15:45
MacSlowSiDi, as long as that will be a compile time-switch I'm fine with it15:45
SiDiokey great15:45
SiDiMacSlow: why does notify-osd use 15MB ram ? what makes it weight so much ?15:48
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MacSlowSiDi, 3.2 MBytes here15:51
SiDiwow, there is something wrong15:52
SiDi32 or 64bits, MacSlow ?15:52
MacSlowon a AMD64 system15:52
mac_vSiDi: 3.1 for me in 32bit15:52
SiDiOk then i have a problem15:52
SiDiDoes it use many gnome shared libraries ?15:53
SiDiCause i'm on XFCE (but i recall it used to be around 6MB on the same system in April)15:53
* SiDi reinstalled, 9MB now... weird15:54
MacSlowSiDi, it needs cairo, glib and gtk of course15:54
MacSlowand that's it15:54
SiDiWe use all of this :|15:54
SiDiand we even use gconf somewhere else15:54
SiDiI'll check this out with a clean install later then15:55
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djsiegel_danrabbit: how is humanity work coming?21:12
danrabbitAre you referring to those two bugs you marked me for?21:12
djsiegel_no21:13
djsiegel_just in general21:13
danrabbitI need to sync some changes from elementary.21:13
danrabbitI think I may have some things to recolor lurking around21:14
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