[00:10] <ryanakca> yuriy: can you look at bug 389245 please?
[00:38] <ScottK> Riddell: Any chance you'll find the dot file at home or is it gone?
[01:43] <nellery> neversfelde: hi, is bug 398516 ready for sponsoring?
[01:49] <neversfelde> nellery: yes
[01:53] <jjesse> anyone tried running the live cd in vmware workstation?
[02:14] <ScottK> Is PrntScrn working for anyone else in KDE 4.3?
[02:15] <shtylman_> ScottK: nope :)
[02:15] <ScottK> shtylman_: Yes, but nothing's working for you, right?  I don't think that counts.
[02:16] <ScottK> Any suggestions on which piece of KDE to file a bug against?
[02:16] <ScottK> I checked and the proper key code is being emitted.
[02:17] <shtylman_> ScottK: well..I mean...older kernels boot...I think printscreen is independent of my kernel problems
[02:17] <jjesse> hrm trying to install karmic daily in vmware workstation and unable to use mouse also can't get past "detecting file systesM" in the installation phase
[02:23] <ScottK> jjesse: ext4 is default in Karmic.  You might try advanced partitioning and pick ext3.
[02:24] <jjesse> thanks ScottK
[02:24] <jjesse> any ideas on mouse?
[02:24] <ScottK> Nope.
[02:34]  * JontheEchidna is back from vacation
[02:35] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Welcome back.
[02:36] <ScottK> I'm seriously trying to figure out why we thought arora was a good idea.
[02:38] <neversfelde> it is not a good idea as long you cannot import ssl certs
[02:38] <rgreening> arora -10
[02:39] <neversfelde> there is also no hint for kleopatra without konqueror
[02:39] <ScottK> Well they had a list of stuff to fix, so it may be premature to judge.
[02:39] <ScottK> Quassel improved a lot during the last cycle.
[02:40] <neversfelde> yes, that was excellent upstream/downstream work
[02:41]  * ScottK is seriously thinking about Firefox for netbook.
[02:42] <rgreening> yuk
[02:43] <neversfelde> Firefox 3.5 is incredibly fast and reliable, imo the best browser
[02:44] <ScottK> rgreening: It's the most compatible with web sites, it's fast, it's already supported, and if people only know one FOSS package name, it's Firefox.
[02:45] <ScottK> Arora's going to have to get some serious juice to compete.
[02:45] <ScottK> Arora also lacks KDE integration comparably with Firefox, so that's no reason to favor it.
[02:46] <ScottK> On the Karmic netbook today I clicked on a PDF in FIrefox and it knew to use Okular to open it.
[02:48] <neversfelde> I probably use the wrong websites, but konqui never failed and when I am giving support I get no positive feedback for arora
[02:50] <Zorael> Wasn't there a firefox-qt in the works?
[02:52] <firephoto> arora works good here but you need the latest webkit from the latest released qt for the best experience. just js and cookie quirks is all i notice wrong.
[02:52] <neversfelde> we are famous for beeing a vanilla KDE distro, but we are willing to not ship the default KDE browser. That is really bad promo.
[02:53] <Zorael> Arora aims to be portable so not sure to what extent it'll ever *get* KDE integration
[02:53] <Zorael> as compared to Rekonq
[02:53] <neversfelde> arora is not a bad browser, but imo not the best choice for Kubuntu
[02:54] <firephoto> rekonq is a bit misleading since it really is just the qt-demo browser like arora with some different kde integration done.
[03:26]  * JontheEchidna sends his thoughts on the raster graphicsystem to k-d
[04:34] <shtylman_> Riddell: finally started moving new theme ideas over to actual codebase...will also do a cleanup of that codebase while I am at it. Besides the UI improvements I planned to change the keyboard selection screen (time permitting)...anything else you want tackled? or fixed?
[05:08] <\sh> seele: I forgot to say "Congrats"  (Re: KDE e.V.) :)
[05:25] <jmthomas> blargh, X crash
[05:25] <jmthomas> during an upgrade
[05:26] <jmthomas> not much of a backtrace in /var/log/Xorg.0.log tho
[06:21]  * _Sime thinks Kubuntu should just bite the bullet and ship Firefox and keep everyone happy.
[06:24] <ScottK> _Sime: We can't ship it for Kubuntu desktop because we don't have room for all the depends on the CD.
[06:24] <ScottK> For netbook we aren't constrained.
[06:36] <\sh> !vote firefox+qt +1
[09:04] <lemma> morning! does kubuntu patch kde's help menu to make it use the new crash report wizard instead of bugzilla's built-in bug report one?
[09:04] <lemma> I got this bug report which doesn't seem to be vanilla kde: https://bugs.kde.org/200142
[09:07] <maco> gnome in ubuntu is heavily patched like that...lemme check konq
[09:07] <maco> yes, that's ubuntu's bug reporter
[09:08] <maco> lemma, ^
[09:08] <lemma> I think it might not be konqueror but some dependency/kdelibs part
[09:08] <maco> well they said it in konq, so i figured id check there ;)
[09:08] <maco> but yes,that's apport, ubuntu's bug reporter. and it says ProblemType: Bug, not Crash, when i run it...
[09:08] <lemma> ah, alright :)
[09:09] <lemma> then I'll just send him to your bugtracker
[09:09] <lemma> thanks maco
[09:09] <maco> np
[09:09] <maco> by the way, while you're here
[09:09] <maco> reviewboard seems to be remembering what change # i set for the first patch i submitted to reviewboard
[09:10] <maco> i cant figure out how to make it forget that. i even tried using a different browser. it seems the box to change it only shows without javascript and the submit button only works with javascript, so i cant figure out how to change things
[09:10] <maco> giving me an issue since that change # doesnt exist yet in kdesdk
[09:11] <lemma> uhm.. sorry, no idea. I'm not that experienced on reviewboard.. but I know it has some bugs :) so maybe that's one of them
[09:11] <maco> fun fun
[09:11] <maco> thanks anyway
[09:11] <lemma> yw :) later
[09:49] <ctp> hi folks. would you recommend karmic for daily work for someone beeing linux user/admin for 12 years? ;-) i like kde 4.3rc and am not sure to install jaunty+ppa or karmic
[09:54] <svqyqb> http://tinyurl.com/nkypfa
[10:29] <Quintasan> w00t
[10:29] <Quintasan> Did anyone made a package for Star Field wallpaper?
[10:43] <Trouble> ctp: Use the PPA to install KDE 4.3 RC2 - it's one hell of a lot safer than using Karmic
[10:44] <Trouble> (with Jaunty)
[11:13] <Quintasan> hmm guys, how should I deal with package that uses a src? directory? When you untar the package there is only install.sh src/ and README. Pbuilder complains about missing CMakeLists.txt.
[11:15] <smarter> Quintasan: if all that is needed to build is in the src dir, just put DEB_SRCDIR = src in the debian/rules
[11:15] <smarter> check install.sh to see if it does any special stuff
[11:15] <Quintasan> smarter: thanks
[12:19] <seele> \sh: thanks
[12:23] <seele> whoo, got one shipit from powerdevil.. now we only need 5 more to get all the aborts out of kde
[12:33] <seele> anyone know what is going on with the printing dialog?
[12:33] <seele> Riddell is still away today I think
[12:39] <seele> Riddell: bug 397399
[13:02] <ryanakca> ScottK: How's https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Header ?
[13:04] <ryanakca> seele: I think I fixed all of the wiki related bugs, did you want to take a quick look at http://wiki.ryanak.ca/kubuntu/ before I start prodding the sysadmins?
[13:20] <seele> ryanakca: do you have a test login?
[13:22] <ryanakca> seele: I can make you one if you want, just a sec
[13:29] <ScottK> ryanakca: Great. Thanks.
[13:46] <ScottK> rgreening: Any idea how we're coming with getting USB creator uploaded?  It'd be really nice to have it in place before Alpha 3.
[13:48] <rgreening> CHecking with evand now
[13:48] <rgreening> over in ubuntu-installer
[13:58] <rgreening> ScottK: do you know anyone familiar with programming devicekit-disks? If so, and they have some time, we propbably could use some extra hands (python backend is being re-written for this...). Still waiting for evand response.
[14:04] <rgreening> shtylman: ping
[14:04] <rgreening> shtylman: hows ubiquity installer feature parity with ubuntu coming along?
[14:11] <ScottK> rgreening: evand was who I would think of.  tseliot probably knows some stuff about it too.
[14:11] <rgreening> ok. ty
[14:14] <ScottK> Pitti would probably be a good person to ask about who might be able to help.
[14:17] <smarter> hmm, it looks like kdelibs/karmic and kdelibs/bzr are out of sync: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/kde4libs/kde4libs_4.2.96-0ubuntu3/changelog http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/changelog
[14:19] <rgreening> ScottK: I convinced evand to release 0.2.0 with the HAL back-end for alpha3.
[14:19] <rgreening> ScottK: he said he'd upload today... hopefully
[14:19] <rgreening> :)
[14:20] <rgreening> ScottK: there will be HAL bugs reported. We will have to redirect those reports to wait for new devicekit-backend release.
[14:20] <rgreening> the HAL issues will not be fixed/addressed in this release as HAL will be going the way fo the dodo.
[14:21] <ScottK> rgreening: Sounds good.
[14:21] <ScottK> Don't change everything all at once is generally a prudent plan anyway.
[14:21] <rgreening> heh
[15:11] <nhn> Hi guys! I am one of the amarok devs. I just upgraded to Karmic on my laptop. I managed to get Amarok built from svn, but when running it it just hangs with what seems to be some QUniqueApplication foo. ITs really ahrd to debug as everything just dies as soon as it created the app object.
[15:11] <nhn> is there a known bug in Qt or other packages that would cause this?
[15:12] <nhn> oh, I also had issues with strigi and phonon devel packages not being found even though they were already installed. removing them and reinstalling them fixed that.
[15:14] <seele> what is the kubuntu equiv of /usr/local/share/config/? i need to find all the .knsrc files
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> well, this is no fun
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> that X crash during the upgrade caused my keyboard and mouse to stop working :/
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> and it turns out that now every other bootable partition I had except the windows recovery partition had is unbootable
[15:23]  * JontheEchidna is on a temp Ubuntu install downloading karmic alpha2 for a reinstall
[15:23] <e-jat> JontheEchidna: :(
[15:35] <smarter> seele: they're in /usr/share/kde4/config/ according to "locate knsrc" :)
[15:35] <seele> thansk
[15:40] <smarter> seele: btw, <ScottK> seele: We had a new user send in a very long and rambling feedback to ubuntu-devel yesterday.  The one (I think) actionable point in his mail was he'd accidentally removed his kicker widget from his panel and could not figure out how to get it back short of reinstalling.  smarter has come up with a patch to ask the user to confirm removal of selected widgets from the panel.  Any thoughts from a usability perpsective?
[15:41] <seele> hmm
[15:42] <jjesse> i think something would be nice as i've removed my panels and don't remember how to get them back
[15:43] <seele> or being able to add an entire panel and provide a kubuntu default panel
[15:43] <seele> panel themes or something
[15:44] <smarter> someone suggested a way to restore default settings, that could work too
[15:44] <smarter> a "restore default settings" button somewhere
[15:44] <smarter> jjesse: right-click on the desktop --> add panel?
[15:58] <rgreening> restore default settings would be awesome... in addition to the "are you sure you want to remove"
[15:58] <rgreening> also, can't remember, are widgets locked by default? If not, we should pout this in kubuntu default settings
[15:59] <jjesse> there aresome default settings buttons, but they don't restore to the acutal default, they restore what was saved last
[15:59] <rgreening> My father keeps accidentally removing stuff cause widgets were unlocked. I told him to lock them to prevent this :)
[15:59] <jjesse> like in system settings, it restores to the last saved settings, not the default, or initial settings
[16:00] <Dario_Andres> is this reported at launchpad: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199972 ?
[16:01] <taavikko> concerning Dario_Andres:s message, seems that apport tries to use the PID instea of package
[16:02] <taavikko> should arora be --{add,install} to alternatives? if one set the default action to open application on based on the contents of the link, KDE launches konqueror...
[16:07] <seele> maco: yo.. if you are interested in working on KHotNewStuff (bug 390226) jpwhiting said he would mentor you. he is the current maintainer
[16:07] <seele> maco: i think the goal woud be to improve his class so apps don't use custom buttons
[16:08] <seele> rgreening: i thought widgets were supposed to be locked by default
[16:08] <rgreening> possibly. thats why i asked (wasnt sure)
[16:08] <maco> sure
[16:09] <seele> he's offline now but should be back later tonight
[16:09] <maco> im messing with a little bug in jockey at the moment, but yeah
[16:36] <maco> seele, he's online
[16:36] <maco> just talked to hinm
[16:36] <maco> anyone know how this external-editor-in-kontact thing works?
[16:37] <maco> to test whether a save option is given, i set it to use kate then tried to create an email....and it doesnt open kate
[16:40] <rgreening> arora sukkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkks
[16:40] <rgreening> omg!
[16:40] <rgreening> so annoyed
[16:41] <rgreening> can't handle mime stuff correctly
[16:41] <rgreening> trys to download a .php file!
[16:41] <rgreening> grrrrr
[16:42] <maco> usually that's the server f'ing up
[16:42] <rgreening> and flash only works half the time. just as bad a Konqueror
[16:43] <rgreening> maco: well, everything in arora requires, download and save this file... quite annoying
[16:43] <maco> i just think its sloooooow
[16:44] <maco> sad that crufty old gecko was rendering sites faster than shiny new webkit
[16:45] <rgreening> maco: and I just tested the .php issue under konqueror. works as expected.
[16:45] <rgreening> its an arora issue
[16:45] <maco> oy ok
[16:45] <rgreening> :)
[16:46] <rgreening> server opens a dynamically created php in a new window. aorora thinks "user must download this"
[16:46] <rgreening> grr
[16:46] <rgreening> our user base will not be able to handle this, assuming arora does not get fixes in time.
[16:47] <rgreening> and no recent updates to arora?
[16:47] <rgreening> hmmm
[16:47] <seele> maco: fyi there is now a usability group in review board if you want to add that tag to your requests
[16:48] <seele> i think it is comma delimited
[16:49] <smarter> rgreening: there's a bug in QtWebKit (fixed in 4.5.2 iirc) that makes it download pages which serve content as application/octet-stream instead of asking for saving them
[16:50] <smarter> rgreening: what do you mean by no recent update? There is continuous activity in the git repo and a new release will appear in less than a week
[16:50] <rgreening> smarter: thats what I mean. we havent had even any snapshots to test :P
[16:51] <rgreening> I'm being cranky
[16:51] <rgreening> I hate when my browser doesn't do what I ask
[16:52] <smarter> well, package new snapshots :p
[16:52] <smarter> or use a ppa that already does that
[16:52] <rgreening> lol
[16:53] <rgreening> you aren't helping my crankiness. :P haha
[16:53] <maco> seele, reviewboard wont let me submit my kdesdk one :(
[16:54] <rgreening> smarter: we are running qt4.5.2 in karmic.
[16:54] <rgreening> so, if it's fixed, we have an issue still
[16:54] <smarter> it's a different issue
[16:55] <smarter> (I guess)
[16:55] <smarter> btw, what are you waiting to backport 4.5.2? :p
[17:04] <rgreening> smarter: 4.5.2 is not going into jaunty backports
[17:04] <rgreening> if thats what you were asking
[17:05] <smarter> and kubuntu-ppa/backports ?
[17:05] <rgreening> not at all afaik
[17:06] <rgreening> too many other things to work around
[17:33] <Quintasan> nhandler is on Hall of Fame :D
[17:34] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies and beer for nhandler
[17:34]  * kubotu slides cookies and beer down the bar to nhandler
[17:39] <maco> woot!
[17:40] <maco> umm.....the "thank" button takes me to lp openid login then to internal server error 500
[17:49] <Mamarok> claydoh: Happy Birthday!
[17:51] <jjesse> maco i had no problems w/ the thank button
[17:51] <maco> maybe a hiccup
[17:51] <claydoh> Mamarok: thank you!
[17:54] <nhandler> Thanks a lot Quintasan
[17:55] <Quintasan> Birthday?
[17:55] <Quintasan> claydoh: Happy Birthday!
[17:55] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for claydoh
[17:55]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to claydoh.
[17:55] <Quintasan> :3
[17:56] <claydoh> :)
[17:56] <claydoh> munch-munch
[17:57] <claydoh> Quintasan: thanks, I love cookies
[17:58] <claydoh> congrats nhandler!
[17:58] <nhandler> :)
[17:58]  * Quintasan wants into MOTU
[17:58] <Quintasan> :O
[18:01] <maco> Quintasan, have you applied yet?
[18:02] <Quintasan> maco: nah, I think my contributions are not enough yet :P
[18:02] <maco> ditto
[18:02] <maco> (i mean about me :P)
[18:02] <maco> have you set a goal for when you want to apply by? mine's end of the year
[18:03] <Quintasan> same here :D
[18:03] <maco> heh alrighty then
[18:03] <Quintasan> I think there is a problem with me :P No matter what I do I think it's not enough :D
[18:04] <maco> have you heard of "Impostor Syndrome"?
[18:04] <Quintasan> not really
[18:04] <maco> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_syndrome
[18:05] <Quintasan> oh :D
[18:07] <maco> this link from the bottom looks interesting http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_development/previous_issues/articles/2008_02_15/caredit_a0800025
[18:45] <seaLne> plasma-widget-nm has started working again with wireless for me today
[19:17] <ryanakca> seele: Did you find anything?
[19:22] <seele> ryanakca: no, looks ok to me
[19:22] <ryanakca> seele: lovely, thanks
[19:45] <_Sime> PyQt 4.5.2 out with an important fix for Python plasmoids.
[22:05] <maco> anyone that understands python/distutils/packaging around?
[22:06] <a|wen> maco: a little ... what do you need to know?
[22:08] <maco> i grabbed the debian/ directory from karmic's jockey and then grabbed upstream jockey bzr. put the two together and did a bzr builddeb. dpkg-builddeb is saying that python-distutils-extra (>=2.4) is not satisfied. makes sense since ubuntu has 2.4~ubuntu1 and that ~ sorts it as older than 2.4....however, this leaves me wondering how the heck jockey got built in ubuntu in the first place
[22:19] <a|wen> maco: 2.4 got uploaded 12 hours ago
[22:19] <a|wen> at least according to LP
[22:20] <maco> oh
[22:20]  * maco tries updates
[22:20] <maco> apt-cache policy wasnt showing it, but lets see...
[22:22] <a|wen> might still be lacking from your local mirror ... but should work soon
[22:23] <maco> yeah, looks like i just need to apt-get update
[22:23] <maco> thanks
[22:23] <maco> youre all perceptive
[22:23] <a|wen> np
[22:24]  * a|wen is in any case just running around packing for tomorrow
[22:48] <CIA-76> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r122 kdebase-workspace/debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[22:48] <CIA-76> Kubuntu: Remove kubuntu_74_kickoff_default_favourites.diff, the favorites are
[22:48] <CIA-76> Kubuntu: controlled via kickoffrc in kubuntu-default-settings
[22:49] <CIA-76> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r293 kubuntu-default-settings/ (debian/changelog kde-rc-files/kickoffrc): Make Arora default browser via kickoffrc
[23:06] <apachelogger> bug 209358
[23:47] <seele> is jockey just for drivers or for codecs too? is there something that already exists in kubuntu for an app to install a codec?
[23:47]  * seele is looking at but 346246 and wonder how hard it is to fix
[23:47] <seele> *bug 346246
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> seele: yes, update-notifier-kde, which does such things as codec installation for kubuntu but not ubuntu
[23:58] <seele> is this something we can address as a papercut or is it too big to add an update-notifier-kde call and add support for installing codecs like 1.4?
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> the thing is that Ubuntu users won't usually have update-notifier-kde installed