[00:23] <qixcom> hi, I noticed a strange issue and was wondering whether anyone else has noticed... When I open synaptic and it asks for the root password it keeps telling me that the password is wrong when its not... I know that for a fact, whats stranger is that when I open an application with the sudo command and enter the password it works
[00:24] <douglasawh-work2> is it actually asking for root or sudo?
[00:24] <douglasawh-work2> those are two different things
[00:25] <douglasawh-work2> though, root would be odd
[00:26] <bcurtiswx> whats the proper command line way to upgrade from jaunty to karmic
[00:26] <yofel> qixcom: do you have all updates installed? I remember some talk about a gksu bug that was fixed a few hours ago
[00:26] <qixcom> Well I just upgraded a few hours ago so it might have updated when I was upgrading
[00:27] <qixcom> just installing firefox3.5 and empathy(thank god for the terminal) :)
[00:27] <yofel> qixcom: check update-manager for updates on libgksu
[00:27] <yofel> or apt-get if update-manager won't work ;)
[00:28] <yofel> bcurtiswx: why do you want to update per cli?
[00:28] <yofel> s/update/upgrade
[00:29] <qixcom> When is firefox supposed to get proper branding?
[00:30] <bcurtiswx> yofei: just wondering.. i know of the update-manager -d, but last time i tried that when it installed the new GDM it restarted my session and i think parts of the install got screwed up
[00:30] <bcurtiswx> yofel: ^^
[00:30] <qixcom> bcurtiswx - I just performed an update-manager -d a few hours ago and gdm works :)
[00:31] <yofel> bcurtiswx: oh, *that* bug is fixed now if that's what's holding you back, other than that I only know about editing sources.lst and upgrade with apt-get dist-upgrade or better with aptitude
[00:31] <bcurtiswx> qixcom, cool.. this could be a system specific problem
[00:31] <bcurtiswx> yofel: ok thx
[00:31] <qixcom> bcurtiswx - doubtful, I would assume the bug would be related to the greeter
[00:32] <yofel> the fault was a broken postinst script that restarted gdm during the update -> *bad* idea ;)
[00:32] <qixcom> actually, was kinda warm and fuzzy inside when I saw that ubuntu made the switch to the new gdm
[00:32] <qixcom> yofel - ouch
[00:33] <qixcom> yofel - any idea whether the new greater is in development yet?
[00:33] <yofel> qixcom: what do you mean? The message that says something about simple-greeter settings not saved?
[00:34] <qixcom> yofel - no, I had a convo with macslow quite some time ago about the facebrowser and the requirements for it.. apparently the greater needs some work post migration to the new gdm
[00:34] <qixcom> so we are at least half way there
[00:35] <qixcom> :)
[00:36] <yofel> no idea abou that, *I* want a new gdmsetup fast, fiddling around with gconf is annoying :P
[00:38] <qixcom> yofel - I was surprised when I found out there was still no new gdmsetup considering how long its been on fedora
[00:46] <isamar> hi folks...
[00:46] <isamar> anyone here knows ubuntu's debian-installer deeply ?
[00:47] <moloch> How can I enable ati binary drivers if they are not showing up in the restricted drivers
[00:48] <yofel> moloch: what card do you have?
[00:48] <moloch> mobile x200m. I can use the prop ati in mepis
[00:49] <moloch> I just installed ubuntu for the first time today
[00:49] <yofel> moloch: which ubuntu version?
[00:49] <moloch> 9.04
[00:50] <moloch> Could it be because I installed it through wubi?
[00:50] <yofel> moloch: this is the support channel for ubuntu 9.10 karmic koala. ubuntu 9.04 support is in #ubuntu
[00:50] <moloch> oh, sorry.
[00:51] <yofel> np
[02:26] <DanaG> grr, damn "memblock.c: pool full" spam... then PA dies.
[02:27] <DanaG> And then QuodLibet spams notify-osd with track-change notifications... which notify-osd then takes its sweet old time in showing, one...............at......................a.....................time..................like.....................this.
[02:29] <bcurtiswx> hey, so i can't load the 2.6.30-2 kernel
[02:29] <bcurtiswx> it stays at "starting up"
[02:30] <DanaG> ugh, and ntfs-3g really sucks, too... nowhere else does copying SATA->SATA go at a measly 12 megabytes per second.
[02:30] <DanaG> damnit, why does pulseaudio keep dying?
[02:31] <bcurtiswx> anyone know of anyone else having my problem?
[02:40] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/pulse.log
[02:42] <DanaG> Argh!
[02:42] <DanaG> What is up with that?
[02:53] <DanaG> That's the first major issue I've had with PulseAudio in quite a while.
[02:54] <oldude67> your lucky...it gives me fits everyday...hates my sound card
[02:56] <Bezow> cannot install nvidea 180 graphics drivers  any way to do thiss through the terminal?
[02:59] <billybigrigger_> Bezow, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180
[02:59] <Bezow> ty
[03:02]  * DanaG needs-eth help-eth.
[03:02] <DanaG> =þ
[03:06] <oldude67> has anyone had any luck at fixing the gdm issue?
[03:06] <billybigrigger_> which one? :P
[03:06] <DanaG> "the gdm issue"?
[03:07] <oldude67> yeah about a week ago i did a stupid partial update and it hasnt worked right since.
[03:07] <billybigrigger_> whats wrong?
[03:07] <oldude67> no matter how i try to change it from kdm it defaults right back to it.
[03:08] <oldude67> when booting it says in an error window to configure it manually and i have done that several times.
[03:09] <billybigrigger_> ya ya, thats fixed
[03:09] <billybigrigger_> at least its coming
[03:09] <oldude67> oh ok..so its not just me?
[03:09] <billybigrigger_> no, its being held back for me right now
[03:09] <billybigrigger_> it'll come
[03:09] <oldude67> k
[03:09] <billybigrigger_> be patient :P
[03:10] <DanaG> COnfigure it manually?  whaddaya mean, configure it manually?
[03:10] <oldude67> oh i just thought maybe i wasnt doing something right or something stupid
[03:10] <DanaG> "Reopen windows manually" you mean?
[03:10] <DanaG> sorry, the wording you used was a bit odd. =þ
[03:10] <oldude67> no it says gdm has to be configured manually and defaults back to kdm
[03:10]  * DanaG hopes rebooting will fix the damned audio.
[03:10] <oldude67> i said it right
[03:10] <DanaG> Ah, different issue than I have, then.
[03:11] <oldude67> yeah
[03:11] <billybigrigger_> oh, maybe something different then what im thinking too
[03:11] <oldude67> audio working fine for now....fixed alsa
[03:11] <billybigrigger_> but in any case, search launchpad for a bug, and if you find it subscribe to it
[03:11] <bcurtiswx> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.30-rc8/ how do I add that PPA to my software sources?
[03:11] <billybigrigger_> or make a new one
[03:11] <billybigrigger_> and wait for a fix :P
[03:12] <oldude67> i just did a alsa reload and mine came back..but i have rebooted since then too.
[03:13] <oldude67> im just on a play machine so im just testing things so i can see if they are going to break before i put them to use on the main machine..lol
[03:22] <DanaG> ah, rebooting fixed my audio.
[03:22] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/268506
[03:25] <bcurtiswx> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.30-rc8/ how do I add that PPA to my software sources?
[03:55] <billybigrig> you probably need the apt key
[04:01] <billybigrig> or not
[04:21] <DanaG> hmm, I'm curious when we'll see a 2.6.31-3-generic (i.e. RC3).
[04:21] <DanaG> I need some of the fixes that are in git right now.  =þ
[04:25] <billybigrig> like
[04:25] <billybigrig> ?
[04:25] <rski> most like wlan :>
[04:25] <DanaG> Like, fixing hp-wmi rfkill.
[04:26] <DanaG> =þ
[04:26] <billybigrig> i built todays daily kernel from kernel.org and it fixed my network manager problem of not auto-connecting my wired connection on gnome login
[04:26] <billybigrig> but not my webcam like i wanted
[04:28] <billybigrig> stupid gspca
[04:36] <DanaG> http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.31-rc3
[04:36] <DanaG> ah, so when'll we see an ubuntu one?
[04:39] <ghindo> DanaG, I'd guess a few days.
[04:39] <ghindo> No rush :)
[04:43] <DanaG> hah, it was released... tomorrow?
[04:43] <DanaG> http://kernel.org/
[04:43] <DanaG> ah, 2009-07-14 01:28 UTC
[04:43] <DanaG> I'm at -8 hours.
[05:31] <DanaG> hah, stupid update-manager... says package info was last upgraded 10 days ago.
[05:31] <DanaG> It's wrong.
[05:31] <DanaG> In fact, I ran package upgrades about one HOUR ago,.
[05:32] <DanaG> 10 days, my ass.
[05:32] <DanaG> =þ
[05:49] <johnf1> Anyone noticed anything strange with the system load
[05:49] <johnf1> I have processes eating 90% cpu, the laptop feels sluggish but my load is mestiriously 0.00
[07:45] <ripps_> well, I now get a segmentation fault in aptitude, I'm not how I'm suppose to remedy this without the ability to make updates
[07:45] <kklimonda> ripps: if there is an update that fixes this issue you can install it with dpkg
[07:49] <ripps> kklimonda: how do I figure out what updates are available?
[08:24] <nhasian> hello everyone
[08:25] <JonDoe297> nhasian: hello :)
[08:25] <nhasian> JonDoe297, how's karmic treating you these days?
[08:26] <JonDoe297> well, everything is OK, but I have encountered with some mysterious GIMP freeze yesterday
[08:26] <nhasian> hmm i dont use gimp much except to resize photos ^_^
[08:27] <JonDoe297> I can't use it - after opening image, and trying to do something with instrument on it, X freezes
[08:27] <nhasian> let me see if i can duplicate the issue.
[08:27] <JonDoe297> I think you will not have this issue
[08:27] <nhasian> if i can use the crop tool on the picture, will that be enough?
[08:27] <JonDoe297> yes, try crop tool
[08:29] <nhasian> i did not have any freezes so i guess thats a good thing :)
[08:29] <JonDoe297> just as I said :)
[08:29] <JonDoe297> I think that's because I'm using Sarvatt's PPA for Xorg Testing (https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/xorg-testing)
[08:29] <nhasian> did you see if there were any similar bugs?  or file a bug yourself?
[08:30] <nhasian> ah that could make a difference...
[08:30] <JonDoe297> I've found some bugreports on red hat's bugzilla
[08:31] <JonDoe297> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505823 - like this, for example
[08:31] <JonDoe297> there were some suggestions, like trying to disable "vnc" module in xorg.conf file
[08:31] <JonDoe297> I tried that, but no luck :(
[08:52] <ripps> Hey, my aptitude and apt-get get segmentation faults, How am I suppose to update anything without them. I suppose I can still use dpkg, but I don't where and what to install to fix this.
[08:53] <[[MindVirus]]> ripps, do you know why they segfault?
[08:54] <[[MindVirus]]> Oh, this is Karmic's channel. Nevermind, I can't help.
[08:54] <|ns|nR8> sudo apt-get clean
[08:55] <|ns|nR8> rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin
[08:56] <|ns|nR8> then id try change sources and apt update
[09:11] <ripps> |ns|nR8: removing the *.bin did the trick. thanks
[09:15] <|ns|nR8> no worries
[09:34] <svqyqb> http://tinyurl.com/nkypfa
[10:01] <ctp> hi folks. would you recommend karmic for daily work for someone beeing linux user for more than 10 years? so i'm expecting _some_ bugs but need a system which is stable enough to work with ;-)
[10:01] <hifi> I run karmic, have since the repository went online
[10:02] <hifi> I think it depends what kind of software are you running
[10:02] <hifi> my home desktop runs only openbox and on top of it rxvt-unicode and firefox so the combination is pretty solid, not too many moving parts that might broke
[10:04] <ctp> hifi: i wanna run kde 4.3 ;-) never touched kde before (except for some tests ;-)). but 4.3 seems to rock ;-)
[10:06] <umask001> ctp: what features are new in kde that are cool?
[10:08] <ctp> umask001: i began coding qt. the widget framework is really cool. i need a vis widget for mesh networks which i'll code on 4.3
[10:09] <ctp> umask001: qt seems to make coder's life easier.
[10:11] <reto`> I don't understand why KDE/GNOME are not joining forces to create a new GUI. It doesn't help much to have two "competing" major window managers. Linux would be advancing much faster like that.
[10:12] <kklimonda> reto`: because KDE and GNOME has different views at Usability
[10:13] <reto`> kklimonda: hmm... what are those differences?
[10:13] <umask001> it's strange.. I used windowmaker for years.  Switched to Gnome because it was somewhat like CDE which I was using at work.  I liked CDE because it was unobtrusive (even though it was ugly as hell).  I've always disliked KDE, but now it's much more like CDE than Gnome ever was
[10:16] <kklimonda> reto`: franky speaking, I don't remember as I don't follow the issue.
[10:16] <kklimonda> reto`: also the other important factor is a GTK+ vs. QT debate.
[10:16] <ctp> reto`: linux is a basaar. it's good that it offers 3-4 big desktop environments, dozens of window managers, 10 web servers, 6 smtp servers, cvs/svn/git/mercurial, dozens mailers etc. it's hard enough to manage kde with maybe hundred developers ;-)
[10:18] <kklimonda> ctp: why is it good wrt desktop environments (and ui toolkits)?
[10:18] <ctp> reto`: what's important is to share the underlying usability approaches. but that's not sharing code but concepts
[10:19] <kklimonda> ctp: I agree that it's good we have a few different web servers, a ton of vcs software etc..
[10:19] <kklimonda> but imo having two DE and two (ok, even more) competing toolkits isn't the best situation.
[10:20] <ctp> qt and gtk are going completely different ways. kde e.g. is portable enough for win32 and qtopia apps but it's heavy weight
[10:21] <umask001> thats like asking two artists to paint your picture, then telling one of them to put their brush down after a few minutes.  Nothing can be done that won't offend one side or the other, so they both compete and they both share when it benifits them
[10:22] <kklimonda> ctp: do they? I was always thinking that both qt and glib/gtk has similar goals (and only gtk is a bit behind..)
[10:22] <ctp> kklimonda: did you ever see gtk on a mobile device?
[10:23] <ctp> ;-)
[10:23]  * ctp is away for 10 minutes
[10:23] <kklimonda> ctp: but afair gtk devs were targetting mobile devices too..
[10:37] <cge> Has anyone installed from nightlies recently? I'm wondering if they're decent right now.
[10:39] <Ng> cge: I did so last week
[10:39] <cge> No major failures?
[10:39] <Ng> nothing massive so far, but I'm quite used to running unstable debian-ish distros
[10:40] <cge> I used to run unstable+experimental
[10:40] <cge> I was primarily concerned that there might be a major problem with the nightly itself; I've had times when I've downloaded them and haven't had them work at all, which can be annoying.
[12:58] <bushwakko> is it possible to install the newest 2.8 intel drivers on my kubuntu?
[13:00] <yofel> bushwakko: use https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates (stable) or https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa (unstable/experimental)
[13:00] <gnomefreak> bushwakko: useing upstream drivers im sure but atm the drivers in karmic dont support opengl2.0 or 2.1 dont remember. AFAIK the xorg-edgers PPA does, but i had issues reverting back to standard x packages after using it.
[13:01] <gnomefreak> ati has same lack of support as well atm
[13:01] <bushwakko> ok
[13:03] <gnomefreak> its the mesa 7.6 packages you need for opengl 2.1
[13:03] <gnomefreak> PPA has them
[13:04] <gnomefreak> sorry we were talking about this 20 or so minutes ago and had to look at the logs
[13:04] <bushwakko> I have an intel 915 btw, whats the status for those compared to the regular karmic I now have?
[13:04] <bushwakko> intel 910GL actually
[13:04] <gnomefreak> 1 sec let me see i know ati is 3-6 months
[13:05] <gnomefreak> bushwakko: not sure about that chipset
[13:06] <gnomefreak> the PPA might have it fixed but that is a might. noone i know uses that chipset
[13:08] <bushwakko> it's not that there is something wrong with the ones i|m using now though, would be fun to see if there is a speed upgrade or something ;)
[13:10]  * gnomefreak couldnt tell you :) we were only talking about this because of o3d support ")
[13:10] <gnomefreak> :)
[13:39] <Supersaiyan_IV> Experience with xmms2 + equalizer plugin? If so, is the equalizer helping much, or just barely?
[13:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi, do some of you know how to redirect the *current* standard output to a file in bash?
[13:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or, better, in /bin/sh which is dash I think=?
[13:42] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:42] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have to debug the new firefox 3.5 script seems broken
[13:42] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: define broken
[13:42] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnomefreak: thunderbird launches it correctly, but the firefox window does not appear
[13:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> if I put "date >> /tmp/file" at points in the script I see it's run
[13:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it is runned
[13:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> whatever :)
[13:43] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: ok what script? is this one you wrote?
[13:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no it's the ubuntu /usr/lib/firefox-3.5/firefox.sh script
[13:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> if only I could see its output
[13:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hmm
[13:44] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: hold on a second
[13:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> perhaps launching it from another script
[13:44]  * BluesKaj dumped FF in favour of chromium-browser
[13:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BluesKaj: too in love with firefox :)
[13:45] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: something like command 2>&1 | tee log.txt sorry in middle of something but what do you mean? ff doesnt launch for you without linking?
[13:46] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: did you set it as default in preffered apps menu?
[13:46] <BluesKaj> Le-Chuck_ITA, I was too but it began to be slow and cumbersome ...now that chrome has flash and java working , I'm in , so to speak
[13:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnomefreak: firefox does not open, and I can't see the output but now I wrote a script to redirect the output
[13:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BluesKaj: will try chrome
[13:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnomefreak: yes I did
[13:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnomefreak: it worked two days ago
[13:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it does not work right now
[13:46] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: daily builds?
[13:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am using karmic so I'd like to eventually report any bug in shell scripts
[13:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no no
[13:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> karmic :)
[13:46] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: we havent updated ff-3.5 in last few days
[13:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> btw does anybody know how to get the close buttons on tabs back?
[13:47] <gnomefreak> well outside of daily
[13:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or at least a close button on the right
[13:47] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: disable ubufox
[13:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> aha
[13:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> great
[13:47] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: that should fix it all
[13:47] <gnomefreak> but dont remember if asac pushed new ubufox
[13:47] <gnomefreak> ill ask him to make sure
[13:49] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: join us in #ubuntu-mozillateam if you like
[13:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnomefreak: thanks. I am now trying to run my custom script
[13:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> now the firefox window appears
[13:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but without the right page in it :)
[13:50] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: what version of ubufox do you have?
[13:53] <flasbang73> how do i install karmic with wubi
[13:53] <rski> not possible afaik
[13:54] <rski> via any supported way
[13:54] <flasbang73> are you talking to me?
[13:54] <rski> yes
[13:54] <rski> i hope so
[13:54] <Pici> !who
[13:55] <flasbang73> rski: are you sure there is no way is there a beta wubi i can get?
[13:55] <flasbang73> !tab
[13:56] <BluesKaj> flasbang73, not until karmic is official
[13:56] <flasbang73> BluesKaj: so is there a way i can manualy do what wubi does?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> flasbang73, you have no option in wubi, as far as I know, to choose an alpha or beta (k)ubuntu release
[13:58] <BluesKaj> the latest is jaunty
[13:58] <flasbang73> BluesKaj: i tried to just upgrade from my wubi 9.04 install but it just messed up my mbr
[13:59] <flasbang73> BluesKaj: what if i make it skip the md5 sum check and change the file name to the 9.04 one
[13:59] <BluesKaj> flasbang73, it would . Do you know how to edit grub ?
[13:59] <flasbang73> BluesKaj: no i don't
[14:00] <flasbang73> BluesKaj: im new to ubuntu and i really like it but i don't want to do a full blown install
[14:01] <BluesKaj> flasbang73, I run jaunty in wubi on my laptop and karmic on my desktop ...there's not a lot of difference , believe me.
[14:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> do you know what's the standard way to clean the environment in a bash script?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> flasbang73, then leave karmic alone ...it's only in it's development phase
[14:02] <flasbang73> BluesKaj: so it's mostly just a gnome differance
[14:02] <flasbang73> BluesKaj: well upgrade
[14:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> clean your environment
[14:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> save the pelikans
[14:03] <BluesKaj> flasbang73, dunno.I run kde (kubuntu)
[14:04] <flasbang73> BluesKaj: ok well thank you anyway
[14:04] <umask001> Le-Chuck_ITA: unset `env | cut -d= -f1`
[14:04] <BluesKaj> flasbang73, I recommenf you stivk with jaunty for now
[14:04] <flasbang73> BluesKaj: just a random question can you use compiz in kde
[14:04] <BluesKaj> erryes
[14:04] <Le-Chuck_ITA> umask001: that's the standard way ?!?
[14:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> scripting is a strange world :)
[14:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> umask001: is it the same as env -i?
[14:05] <umask001> Le-Chuck_ITA: no idea what the standard way is.. I've never really thought about doing it before.  I know some programs like sudo do it as a security measure but I don't know how they go about it
[14:06] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks
[14:08] <umask001> Le-Chuck_ITA: hrmm.. env -i might be new or something.  That looks more appropriate
[14:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> umask001: a pity it doesn't do anything
[14:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> :)
[14:09] <umask001> Le-Chuck_ITA: It seems to.  If you run "env -i sh" it'll start a new shell with no environment variables.  So it's a one-off command
[14:11] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes but i need it to work "inside" the shell script
[14:11] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it's karmic's firefox-3.5 startup script
[14:11] <Le-Chuck_ITA> if ran from thunderbird it inherits too many "MOZILLA-*" variables and it does not work
[14:12] <umask001> Le-Chuck_ITA: try changing the #! line at the top to say "#!/usr/bin/env -i /bin/sh"
[14:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> umask001: nope
[14:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am discouraged :)
[14:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> will retry tomorrow
[14:16] <dhq> i have a dell m1530 now i have 3 jacks which support 5.1 channel. the problem is i cant get kubuntu to work with it please help me
[14:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq do you have a 5.1 test file
[14:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: and, did you try using mplayer to play it
[14:18] <dhq> Le-Chuck_ITA: i dont get the option for surround or anything
[14:18] <dhq> it doesnt detect the jack
[14:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: hmm, I don't know where that option should be, but the gnome mixer in my 5.1 system shows 6 sliders
[14:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I don't have any "surround" option thoug
[14:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> h
[14:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: how many volume sliders in the gnome mixer?
[14:19] <dhq> Le-Chuck_ITA: i am using kubuntu karmic kola
[14:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: I suppose the kde mixer applet should be similar
[14:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> do you have just two sliders for the master volume?
[14:20] <dhq> master,pcm, headphone, headphone2 these are the sliders i have
[14:20] <dhq> Le-Chuck_ITA: ^^
[14:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: but master is stereo
[14:21] <dhq> Le-Chuck_ITA: i have no idea
[14:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: you can see two sliders in the master
[14:21] <dhq> no just a single one
[14:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq try alsamixer from the command line?
[14:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> alsamixer will show you all the controllers in any case
[14:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> you navigate with arrow keys and use spacebar to toggle buttons
[14:23] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: from what I read around, yes you are supposed to have  a surround switch but it is not visible by default in the gnome mixer, one needs to use the mixer preferences to enable it, perhaps it's the same in kde
[14:23] <dhq> Le-Chuck_ITA: no surround and the alsa mixer and kmix are the same
[14:24] <dhq> < Master >      Headphon       Headphon         PCM          Front Mi         IEC958        IEC958 D       IEC958 P       Digital        PC Beep
[14:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: out of ideas :(
[14:26] <dhq> Le-Chuck_ITA: damn i need my 5.1
[14:26] <dhq> :(
[14:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq at worst report a bug, did you google it hard?
[14:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: did it work in jaunty?
[14:26] <dhq> Le-Chuck_ITA: i tried so manythings but no luck
[14:26] <dhq> Le-Chuck_ITA:  yes it worked in janunty
[14:33] <dhq> Le-Chuck_ITA: thanks for your help though
[14:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: if it worked in jaunty it's certainly a bug
[14:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> report it, mark it as regression-potential
[14:34] <dhq> i dont know how
[14:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and try to get it triaged by somebody if you really need it :)
[14:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: it's easy, but you need to subscribe to launchpad
[14:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: point is that you need to do it in first person because you'll need to cooperate with developers when they will ask you to gather some debug info
[14:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: but try
[14:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> modinfo -p YOUR_CARD_MODULE
[14:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: which you have to guess from lsmd
[14:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> lsmod
[14:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: all of the above in a root shell
[14:35] <dhq> hmm ok
[14:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: modinfo -p will show your driver's options
[14:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> maybe surround has been disabled by default for some reason
[14:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: in the end you could try the kernel development irc channel
[14:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> for ubuntu
[14:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but I don't remember the name, anybody???
[14:37] <yofel> wasn't it #ubuntu-kernel?
[14:38] <hggdh> yes
[14:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it is
[14:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq try to ask in that channel, good luck :)
[14:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dhq: mention it's a regression
[14:39] <dhq> i will thats alot
[14:41] <JonDoe297> :(
[14:42] <oldude67> UnderSampled, what types of problems are you having?
[14:42] <UnderSampled> kernel error
[14:42] <oldude67> which kernel are you using?
[14:43] <UnderSampled> oldude67: default 9.04
[14:43] <oldude67> and whats the error?
[14:43] <UnderSampled> it breaks as it starts, even from the live cd
[14:43] <UnderSampled> WARNING at /build/builddd/linux-2.6.28/kernal/smo.c:333 smo_function_mask+0x1d4/0x1e0()
[14:44] <oldude67> well you can try the 9.10 and see if it will help..what type of machine is it going on?
[14:44] <UnderSampled> oldude67: desktop with a pentium 4
[14:44] <oldude67> thats odd what video card are you using?
[14:45] <UnderSampled> nvidia geforce 7600 gs
[14:46] <oldude67> have you tried the alternative cd?
[14:47] <UnderSampled> I have not, but I have tried the internet install from unetbootin, and also just installing 8.10 with an immidiate upgrade to 9.04
[14:48] <UnderSampled> 8.04 works fine
[14:49] <drs305> UnderSampled: FYI, I am running 9.04 with a 7600 GS with no problems.
[14:49] <BluesKaj> UnderSampled, I have the nvidia geforce 7600GT, which is very similar , so yours should work without a hitch with the nividia-glx-180 driver
[14:50] <drs305> UnderSampled: ver 180 hardware driver
[14:50] <oldude67> hes getting a kernel panick
[14:50] <oldude67> panic ugh cant type today..not awake yet
[14:50] <UnderSampled> how does this have anything to do with the video card? it displays the boot sequence just fine. its the boot itself ;)
[14:53] <BluesKaj> right ..sorry i should have scrolled up ..looks like a HW problem alright
[14:53] <drs305> UnderSampled: I don't think it would, but I provided the info since it was mentioned.
[14:53] <oldude67> so far 9.10 isnt to bad just minor issues
[14:54] <UnderSampled> if it help any, I have http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157106 as my mother board
[14:55] <BluesKaj> UnderSampled, hmmm maybe upgrade to 8.10 first then to 9.04
[14:55] <oldude67> UnderSampled, you went from 8.04 straight to 9.04?
[14:55] <UnderSampled> no, it was 8.10
[14:56] <UnderSampled> well, my statement was true (8.04 works fine), but misleading. 8.10 works fine
[14:56] <UnderSampled> yes, it was a mistake
[14:58] <oldude67> well you could always try the 9.10 and see if it gives you the kernel panic as well.
[15:02] <BluesKaj> UnderSampled, did you try an internet upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04. Use apt or aptitude : sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[15:10] <UnderSampled> BluesKaj how would this be different?
[15:11] <UnderSampled> BluesKaj: yes, I used the official updater
[15:11] <UnderSampled> BluesKaj: however, both the live cd and the internet installer failed
[15:11] <UnderSampled> (in the same way)
[15:12] <BluesKaj> wow
[15:13] <BluesKaj> UnderSampled, dunno what to tell , it sound serious ...we need some heavyweights in here for help on this one
[15:15] <BluesKaj> !help
[15:15] <BluesKaj> oops :)
[15:16] <eagles0513875> hehe BluesKaj
[15:16] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: you try out grub2 on karmic yet
[15:16] <eagles0513875> UnderSampled: have you tried upgrading from jaunty to karmic
[15:16] <BluesKaj> well eagles0513875 , any suggestions ?
[15:16] <eagles0513875> for me what i did to get karmic installed was upgrade from jaunty and it worked
[15:16] <UnderSampled> eagles0513875: I wouldn't be able to. it doesn't get past boot
[15:16] <BluesKaj> yeah, i'm on grub2 , eagles0513875
[15:17] <eagles0513875> strange mine seems to be able to get booting BluesKaj
[15:17] <eagles0513875> UnderSampled: O_O
[15:17] <BluesKaj> methinks a HW problem
[15:17] <Pici> No, its a kernel issue. The kernel panics on boot.
[15:18] <UnderSampled> its a kernal panic due to hw incompatibility. these are fresh installs
[15:18] <BluesKaj> Pici, why tho, what's causing the prob if there's no kernel/HW conflict
[15:19] <Pici> BluesKaj: A 'HW problem' to me is a hardware defect.
[15:19] <eagles0513875> Pici: would the alternate installer have the same issue
[15:20] <Pici> eagles0513875: It probably would, but it wouldn't hurt to try.
[15:20] <BluesKaj> to me it's like UnderSampled says , incompatibility
[15:20] <eagles0513875> UnderSampled: give the alternate install a shot
[15:20] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: first time you ran grub 2 did it take a while to boot
[15:20] <BluesKaj> hmm, don't recall eagles0513875
[15:21] <eagles0513875> took a while guessing finding stuff on my hdd but it eventually booted
[15:21] <eagles0513875> things are fine now like nothing happened
[15:28] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, did you do , sudo update-grub ?
[15:29] <eagles0513875> ya i did it once i booted by default to run level 1 for some reason after booting into init 1 it seems to default constantly to init 1
[15:44] <SKB> hello
[15:44] <eagles0513875> hey SKB
[15:46] <UnderSampled> you guys can chew on this http://yfrog.com/5fdumpij
[15:50] <eagles0513875> ?
[15:50] <eagles0513875> UnderSampled: what is
[15:51] <BluesKaj> UnderSampled, not me :)
[15:52] <UnderSampled> its a picture of my kernel panic
[15:53]  * BluesKaj waits for Pici or some other more knowledgeable ppl to analyse that message
[15:54] <eagles0513875> the kernel version currently in karmic is 2.6.31 which is normally a dev kernel
[15:55] <eagles0513875> UnderSampled: that doesnt look like a kernel panic
[15:56] <eagles0513875> UnderSampled: you might also want to try in ubuntu-kernel regard to ur issue they might be able to help ya better since its a kernel issue which u seem to be having
[16:20] <ryann> can anyone help troubleshoot this please?  http://pastebin.com/d6169d6c9
[16:21] <ryann> it's not so much that i want that package, it's that this error appears regardless of the packages i upgrade or install via apt.
[16:22] <yofel> ryann: does the same happen when running 'dpkg --configure -a' ?
[16:23] <ryann> yofel, yes.  http://pastebin.com/d7e66050d
[16:25] <BluesKaj> ryann, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock  ,then , sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:26] <ryann> hrm, no output from fuser, but same errors from dpkg.  http://pastebin.com/d1333bf30
[16:27] <yofel> ryann: what does 'sudo /var/lib/dpkg/info/synaptic.postinst' give you?
[16:28] <ryann> just returns a new line
[16:28] <BluesKaj> ryann,  maybe sudo aptitude purge synaptic , the try to reinstall it
[16:28] <ryann> no output
[16:29] <ryann> ugly
[16:29] <BluesKaj> reinstall ?
[16:29] <ryann> http://pastebin.com/d6c95e3e7
[16:30] <ryann> i'll try to reinstall now
[16:30] <ryann> dpkg: error processing synaptic (--configure):
[16:30] <ryann>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 139
[16:31] <yofel> ryann: purge it with 'dpkg -P synaptic' then reinstall it with apt
[16:32] <ryann> http://pastebin.com/d76166297
[16:32] <BluesKaj> yofel, right , din't think of that ...should work
[16:32] <mvo> 139 means segfault - could you enable apport to check if that catches what is crashing?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> mvo, dmesg | tail ?
[16:35] <yofel> looking at the post* scripts it should be either scrollkeeper-update or update-menus
[16:36] <mvo> BluesKaj: yeah, that works as well :) apport gives the benefit of a crashfile though
[16:37] <BluesKaj> ok , not real familiar with apport , how does one use it ? just apport in the konsole ?
[16:37] <ryann> unfamiliar with apport, i've pasted the last few scroll-keeper lines from dmesg here http://pastebin.com/df0a5651
[16:37] <yofel> BluesKaj: enable it in /etc/default/apport and it should catch crashes by itself ;)
[16:38] <BluesKaj> yofel, thanks :)
[16:39] <BluesKaj> plasma keeps crashing here and I'm getting tired of it
[16:40] <yofel> ryann: enable apport in /etc/default/apport and then run '/etc/init.d/apport start' and then run dpkg again
[16:40] <ryann> i was just about to ask how to start apport
[16:42] <ryann> dpkg --configure -a runs without any output
[16:42] <ryann> apt-get install synaptic returns Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[16:43] <BluesKaj> yofel, will the enable stay as default in init.d/apport or do i have to link it to runlevels ?
[16:44] <yofel> BluesKaj: once it's enabled in /etc/default/apport it will stay enabled, S20apport is already in the default runlevel ;)
[16:44] <BluesKaj> yofel, cool :)
[16:45] <yofel> BluesKaj: afaik apport will be enabled by default once alpha3 is out
[16:45] <ryann> same issues with aptitude http://pastebin.com/d780b368a
[16:45] <yofel> ryann: do you have anything in /var/crash ?
[16:47] <ryann> yes, yes i do
[16:47] <yofel> ryann: didn't apport come up?
[16:48] <ryann> 212K 2009-07-14 11:10 update-manager.0.crash and there is another from today for evolution-docu..-en
[16:48] <ryann> no front-end appeared after the seg fault, if that's what you're asking
[16:49] <yofel> ryann: run '/usr/share/apport/apport-gtk -c <crashfile>'
[16:52] <ryann> fantastic, apport-gtk is not installed
[16:53] <yofel> o.O
[16:53] <ryann> and it won't install since apt is crashing over this evolution crap
[16:53] <yofel> ok, then install apport, but first try to reinstall 'rarian-compat'
[16:56]  * gnomefreak doesnt get apt crashes
[16:56] <yofel> neither do I :P
[16:56] <ryann> package wasn't installed..
[16:56] <ryann> http://pastebin.com/d34ad0a69
[16:56] <BluesKaj> it doesn't help ryann tho
[16:59] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: it will once we figure out why
[16:59] <UnderSampled> I tried the alternate install, but it went blanck with the blinking caps/scroll lock lights
[16:59] <yofel> ryann: did you upgrade from jaunty since you had scrollkeeper installed? It doesn't exist in karmic anymore
[17:00] <gnomefreak> ryann: sudo apt-get -f install   no package name, just as i typed it
[17:00] <gnomefreak> ryann: see if it fixes evo doc problem
[17:01] <yofel> gnomefreak: the evo doc problem comes from scrollkeeper-update segfaulting
[17:01] <gnomefreak> yofel: i know
[17:01] <gnomefreak> yofel: it will remove scrollkeeper and install the other one (name excapes me)
[17:02] <gnomefreak> s/will/should
[17:02]  * gnomefreak thought it was demoted not removed
[17:02] <gnomefreak> nope it was removed
[17:06] <Sarvatt> JonDoe297: thats a gimp problem with XI2
[17:10] <Sarvatt> gnomefreak: i915 will never support opengl 2.1 in hardware regardless of the mesa version, its a hardware limitation...
[17:11] <gnomefreak> Sarvatt: 915 maybe not but im not up on my intel cards. i just know intel is working on it
[17:11] <Sarvatt> theres nothing to work on, the card itself doesnt support the features, only intel cards that do are 865+
[17:11] <Sarvatt> 965+ sorry
[17:11]  * gnomefreak tried to stick to nvidia cards but that may change soon too since i want to use o3d
[17:12] <gnomefreak> s/tried/trys
[17:12]  * gnomefreak lunch
[17:13] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: i am on nvidia no problems wiht 3d rendering both on desktop cards as well as on laptop
[17:14] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: 5200 has moved to legacy and is not updated to fixed in repos yet and o3d supports 6200+
[17:14] <eagles0513875> ahhh
[17:14] <eagles0513875> my laptop card is a go 6150 video card and nvidia chipset no problems with 3d there
[17:14] <eagles0513875> desktop is 8800
[17:16] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, too bad ryann left  : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7565042
[17:18] <ryann> ..sorry about that
[17:18] <ryann> i really ought to know better than to troubleshoot on my own
[17:21] <BluesKaj> ryann,  : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7565042
[17:22] <ryann> hm
[17:22] <ryann> i'm cautious to remove scroll-keeper
[17:22] <ryann> but ok
[17:22] <yofel> ryann: rarian-compat replaces scrollkeeper
[17:31] <soc1> hi, i'm experiencing problems with dpkg update ...
[17:32] <soc1> i didn't find any buf for it on launchpad
[17:32] <gnomefreak> Sarvatt: paste the output of command and output to pastebin.com
[17:32] <gnomefreak> oops
[17:33] <gnomefreak> soc1: that was for you
[17:33] <Sarvatt> what command?
[17:33] <Sarvatt> ah okie
[17:33] <gnomefreak> Sarvatt: sorry
[17:33] <Sarvatt> no worries :)
[17:33] <soc1> ok,mom
[17:34]  * gnomefreak thought i was a dad 
[17:35] <soc1> pastebin.com/m2454e4be
[17:35] <protector1981> /msg nickserv identify janine1984
[17:35] <protector1981> AEWAHVdfsvn df
[17:35] <protector1981> v
[17:35] <protector1981> dfv
[17:35] <protector1981> adfv
[17:35] <protector1981> af
[17:35] <protector1981> vf
[17:35] <protector1981> dv
[17:35] <protector1981> df
[17:35] <protector1981> vdffv
[17:35] <protector1981> f
[17:35] <protector1981> v
[17:35] <protector1981> vSORRY
[17:35] <protector1981> DAMNIT
[17:35] <Tekno> thanks
[17:36] <protector1981> -.-
[17:36] <protector1981> why i can type /msg? oO
[17:36] <protector1981> +not
[17:36] <protector1981> empathy sucks
[17:36] <BluesKaj> protector1981, wrong textbox, use the server textbox
[17:37] <Tekno> ;D
[17:37] <protector1981> ah ok
[17:37] <gnomefreak> soc1: ah ok that should be an easy fix if mvo gets time :)
[17:37] <protector1981> /msg Nickserv help
[17:37] <protector1981> Invalid command. Use /msg NickServ help for a command listing.
[17:37] <protector1981> wtf
[17:37] <gnomefreak> protector1981: lower case
[17:38] <gnomefreak> protector1981: /msg nickserv help
[17:38] <soc1> gnomefreak: do you know the cause?
[17:38] <protector1981> did it...have nickserv in query -.- :D
[17:38] <protector1981> now i must change my password :(
[17:38] <gnomefreak> soc1: i would think a link in debian/postinst but off hand no
[17:39] <gnomefreak> protector1981: help can nbe found in #ubuntufreenode
[17:39] <gnomefreak> s/nbe/be
[17:39] <gnomefreak> damnit
[17:39] <protector1981> ah done
[17:39] <protector1981> is changed :) thx for help
[17:39] <gnomefreak> protector1981: help can be found in #freenode
[17:39] <yofel> gnomefreak: upper/lowercase should make no difference, empathy broken?
[17:40] <protector1981> so....have gdm problem :(
[17:40] <soc1> gnomefreak: should i ping mvo about it?
[17:40] <gnomefreak> protector1981: most are fixed in ubuntu7 but not all
[17:40] <protector1981> http://protector.pastebin.com/m4a59698d
[17:40] <protector1981> thanks the error
[17:40] <gnomefreak> soc1: you just did but he may be gone
[17:40] <protector1981> have ubuntu7 installed
[17:41] <ryann> ok so removing scrollkeeper
[17:41] <gnomefreak> protector1981: i remember people seeing that before however not sure if fixed or not or what the issue was
[17:42] <protector1981> bugreport is posted, but nobody has replied :(
[17:42] <gnomefreak> yofel: it shouldnt but i dont know the client he is useing, never used it
[17:42] <ryann> yofel, http://pastebin.com/d931b107
[17:42] <gnomefreak> protector1981: than it hasnt been fixed i would guess
[17:43] <ryann> yayyyy
[17:43] <ryann> (i think)
[17:44] <protector1981> gnomefreak: :(
[17:44] <ryann> BluesKaj & yofel .. thank you
[17:45] <ryann> replacing scrollkeeper with rarian-compat seems to have resolved my apt issues
[17:45] <gnomefreak> protector1981: comment on it other than that just have to wait.
[17:46] <protector1981> yes...i can only wait...or dont using karmic ;)
[17:47] <ryann> anyone know anything about plasma-widget-network-manager?!.. version 0.1~svn951801-1 works, but anything newer (from the repositories) fails to work with wpa.  there was a bug about this, which i thought was resolved.
[17:49] <BluesKaj> !info wicd | ryann
[17:49] <gnomefreak> ryann: its known at least i hear it from eagles0513875
[17:50] <gnomefreak> s/known/broken
[17:50] <eagles0513875> ryann: i reported a bug it seems to have resurfaced again but wicd and gnome network manager work fine with wpa connections
[17:50] <eagles0513875> not sure what is being done about it
[17:50] <yofel> BluesKaj: last time I tried wicd here on gnome it didn't set andy DNS :(
[17:50] <yofel> s/andy/any
[17:51] <BluesKaj> ryann, the widget-network-manager is flaky and unstable . WPA is np on wicd
[17:52] <eagles0513875> yofel: you have to sent it in regards to dns or u can set dns in the resolv.conf
[17:52] <eagles0513875> im out for now
[17:52] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: have fun
[17:52] <yofel> eagles0513875: yeah, but NM does that over dhcp
[17:52] <yofel> wicd not it seems
[17:53] <eagles0513875> installing wicd removes nm and the widget
[17:53] <eagles0513875> if im not mistaken
[17:53] <yofel> eagles0513875: it removes them
[17:53] <BluesKaj> wicd is a network manager
[17:53] <eagles0513875> yofel: under preferences you can set the ip of the dns servers
[17:54] <yofel> eagles0513875: that would defy the purpose of dhcp...
[17:54] <eagles0513875> ahhhhh wait i misunderstood
[17:54] <eagles0513875> yofel: im using dhcp for wifi and it works just fine here
[17:54] <yofel> with wicd /etc/resolv.conf is empty here :/
[17:55] <yofel> hm, well, then I guess I'll get my LAN cable and try wicd again :P
[17:56] <eagles0513875> yofel: BluesKaj is wicd expert lol
[17:57] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, not an expert , it just works fore me both on wifi and ethernet
[17:57] <eagles0513875> ethernet no issues with the plasma widget
[17:57] <eagles0513875> only wifi
[17:58] <BluesKaj> well, i've seen som,e probs with ethernet on widget
[17:58] <eagles0513875> interesting
[17:58] <eagles0513875> im out
[17:59] <BluesKaj> wicd is much better on laptop wifi cards than the widget , more sensitive and stable
[18:01] <BluesKaj> my dumb neighbour, across the street is running an unsecured network ...I told him about it but he still hasn't done anything about it and I can piggyback on his network from my basement music room
[18:02] <yofel> BluesKaj: what do I need to tell wicd to set a DNS server over dhcp?
[18:03] <yofel> my /etc/resolv.conf is empty
[18:03] <yofel> the only dhcp client that's available in the settings dialog is dhclient
[18:05] <BluesKaj> yofel, dunno i don't run a dns server...I'm just using all the automatic settings
[18:06] <yofel> and why am I the only one in my neighbourhood that uses WPA o.O
[18:07] <BluesKaj> wep and unsecured ?
[18:07] <yofel> well, at least all wep
[18:07] <yofel> not that I count that as secured
[18:07] <BluesKaj> well, it's bit better than unsecured
[18:07] <BluesKaj> maybe 1minute better
[18:07] <yofel> hehe
[18:11] <yofel> and does Alt+F2 still work for anybody with gnome+compiz ?
[18:13] <BluesKaj> yofel, i just right click on a space on the desktop and choose the runbox from there
[18:14] <yofel> doh, could have thought of that myself -.-
[18:14] <BluesKaj> yofel, btw my /etc/resolve.conf has some info in it , domain gateway , search gateway and nameserver
[18:15] <yofel> hm, maybe I should restart... It still says that it was generated my networkmanager in there
[18:16] <BluesKaj> yeah , mine is "modified"
[18:27] <ryann> thanks eagles0513875 , BluesKaj
[18:27] <ryann> i will try wicd
[18:28] <ryann> oh i see they cannot co-exist?
[18:28] <ryann> network-manager and wicd?
[18:31] <scriptx> interesting..
[18:31] <scriptx> does wicd-client start w/the system?
[18:32] <o_portista17> i have a problem for quite some time now, i can't use teamspeak because when i speak, the other people, can't hear me...but i can hear them, i've tried with pulseaudio, and alsa...what could be wrong? besides me ;x
[18:34] <BluesKaj> scriptx, yes wicd does , if installed of course...and it is a network manager on it's own
[18:34] <scriptx> sweet.
[18:34] <scriptx> i'll check it out at next reboot, but it's working now.
[18:34] <scriptx> can it work from console do you know?
[18:35] <scriptx> if i were to boot into single user mode or something, can i use the wicd daemon to connect to a saved (or new) wireless connection?
[18:37] <BluesKaj> yes
[18:38] <BluesKaj> scriptx, you may need to do a bit of wicd configging with the router/gateway in preferences
[18:39] <ryann> awesome.  thanks BluesKaj
[18:39] <BluesKaj> ryann, it's a great app
[18:39] <ryann> helpful when something breaks after a package upgrade
[18:40] <ryann> i actually like the plasma-widget.. but the new version is buggy and i can't rely on it
[18:41] <BluesKaj> dunno why the network management seems almost an afterthought application as a widget
[18:41] <ryann> do you use kde4 bk?
[18:42] <BluesKaj> the old knetworkmanager was more difficult to setup with ndiswarapper etc , but once done it was pretty stable
[18:42] <BluesKaj> yes ,kde  4.3
[18:45] <ryann> i used to just script wpa_supplicant from the terminal after having logged in
[18:45] <ryann> i was elated when kde4 introduced the network-management widget interface
[18:49] <BluesKaj> heh, too bad it's so flaky
[18:53] <BluesKaj> BBL ..stuff to do
[19:03] <yofel> hm, does ubuntu-vm-builder work for anybody?
[19:44] <yofel> wtf? parted tells me that 'linux-swap' isn't a valid fs type o.O
[19:50] <yofel> reported as bug 399428
[19:50] <yofel> typo -.-
[20:20] <MrStein> Hi! Since I don't do much else than beta test 9.04, does it make sense to just install 9.10 and report issues there ? (for example suspend and hibernate do not work for me in 9.04)
[20:21] <reto`> MrStein: beta test 9.04?
[20:21] <MrStein> well, "final test"
[20:21] <MrStein> That is : not doing anything else but reporting bugs
[20:21] <reto`> MrStein: actually it might be better to test 9.10 and report bugs there
[20:22] <MrStein> I thought so
[20:22] <MrStein> do alpha update from one to next ? Over the regular update manager ?
[20:22] <MrStein> alpha=alpha releases
[20:22] <reto`> I think that might have a better impact on the next ubuntu to get your bugs fixed :)
[20:23] <reto`> MrStein: yeah... you can update to the alpha through the update manager and updates you'll get like that too
[20:25] <reto`> MrStein: see here > http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha2
[20:28] <reto`> actually you'll get regular updates it's not tied to a certain "alpha"
[20:30] <Pici> !final
[20:36] <reto`> !beta
[20:42] <MrStein> off to install alpha2
[20:43]  * Twigathy kicks udev - why don't you stop when told? [had to sudo kill it before the latest batch of updates would take...]
[20:56] <robin0800> MY BRAIN HURTS.
[21:03] <tbtroj> "update-manager -d" upgrades to a devel release. Is there something like Fedora's "rawhide" repository for Ubuntu? So you're always at Ubuntu +1?
[21:05] <billybigrig> anyone around?
[21:06] <yofel> billybigrig: pong
[21:09] <billybigrig> yofel: i can't seem to build nvidia modules in dkms
[21:10] <yofel> billybigrig: huh? got headers installed?
[21:10] <billybigrig> headers, source, and image
[21:10] <billybigrig> all from custom built kernel
[21:10] <yofel> got the error message?
[21:11] <billybigrig> diggin it up
[21:13] <yofel> *sigh* I can't view a changlog *again*
[21:13] <yofel> E: Couldn't fetch URL http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/u/udev/udev_145-1/changelog
[21:13] <tbtroj> To stay in the "devel release" stage, do I have to "update-manager -d" every time a new devel-release is available?
[21:15] <billybigrig> i think i had the wrong kernel name
[21:15] <billybigrig> cause its working nwo
[21:15] <billybigrig> nope
[21:16] <tbtroj> billybigrig, was that "nope" to me?
[21:18] <billybigrig> build fails
[21:18] <billybigrig> no to yofel
[21:23] <mvo> tbtroj: you have to do that every 6 month when the new devel release is opened
[21:23] <tbtroj> mvo, okay, thank you.
[21:23] <mvo> cheers
[21:24] <yofel> billybigrig: sry, was gone for a moment, you mean the auto dkms-build fails when installing the kernel?
[21:25] <yofel> you didn't do somthing like compiling nvidiafb into the kernel or something like that?
[21:25] <billybigrig> Error! DKMS tree does not contain: nvidia-2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger-07-14
[21:26] <yofel> err... you do the dkms build by hand?
[21:27] <billybigrig> yeah
[21:27] <yofel> the command for that would be 'dkms build -k <kernel-version> -m nvidia -v <nvidia-version>'
[21:27] <billybigrig> sudo /etc/init.d/dkms_autostart start 2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger-07-14 fails
[21:28] <billybigrig> Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger-07-14 (x86_64)
[21:29] <billybigrig> this is from the make.log
[21:29] <billybigrig> *** Unable to determine the target kernel version. ***
[21:29] <billybigrig> make: *** [select_makefile] Error 1
[21:29] <billybigrig> sudo dkms build -k 2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger-07-14 -m nvidia -v 185.18.14
[21:29] <billybigrig> after that command
[21:30] <billybigrig> and i can tab complete the kernel version, module, and mod version
[21:31] <yofel> hm wait, that sounds familiar, now what was the reason for that again...
[21:34] <Sarvatt> hmm that sounds like the problem with kernel-package 11.015 that i had to upgrade to 11.017 to fix
[21:35] <billybigrig> Sarvatt: got my compile time down to 42 min :P
[21:35] <billybigrig> but now i cant use it :P
[21:35] <Sarvatt> i think it has something to do with your kernel versioning
[21:37] <yofel> hm, iirc when I compiled a kernel once I put it in some odd foldername in /usr/src that had nothing to do with the version number, and I think that's when I got that
[21:38] <yofel> but that was quite a while ago so I don't remember it clearly
[21:39] <Sarvatt> why dont you try calling it billybigrigger0714 or something instead of adding the extra dashes and dots to the different versions?
[21:40] <billybigrig> not dots
[21:40] <billybigrig> just billybigrigger-07-14
[21:40] <billybigrig> ok i could do that i guess
[21:42] <Sarvatt> (you had dots in a previous one is why i said that)
[21:43] <billybigrig> oh ya
[21:43] <billybigrig> ok ill try it out
[21:44] <MrStein1> memtest86 does not react to ESC, is that known ? the other keys (c,space, numbers) work.
[21:45] <Sarvatt> make-kpkg is really touchy about those things, i dont know whats happening but i've always had to limit myself to just one thing after -
[21:45]  * MrStein1 booted the alpha2 x86 cd
[21:46] <Sarvatt> on append-to-version, dont get me started how many times i've screwed up things messing with debian= in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf
[21:47] <MrStein1> argh, launchpad is soo slow again ....
[21:48] <yofel> anybody an idea when the changelogs get synced?
[21:48] <yofel> E: Couldn't fetch URL http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/u/udev/udev_145-1/changelog
[21:49] <yofel> or does somebody else know why vol_id vanished from udev?
[21:54] <yofel> hi billybigrig
[21:54] <yofel> err... let's try again
[21:54] <yofel> hi BUGabundo
[21:54] <billybigrig> hah
[21:55] <BUGabundo> heyyyy
[21:55] <BUGabundo> new disk!! 1,5TiBs
[21:55] <billybigrig> nice
[21:55] <BUGabundo> I wonder what I should put it on
[21:56] <BUGabundo> ext2 or ext4
[21:56] <billybigrig> ext4
[21:56] <BUGabundo> taking pictures of the setup too, on my new Revoltec case
[21:56] <yofel> what reason is there to use ext2?
[21:56] <BUGabundo> hey akgraner
[21:56] <BUGabundo> its just a disk to use externally for LOTS of backups
[21:57] <BUGabundo> so ext2 _should be_ as fast as ext4
[21:57] <BUGabundo> just not sure I need the jornaling to keep my data safe
[21:57] <Sarvatt> that was ages ago wasnt it yofel?
[21:57] <BUGabundo> also, not sure the win driver for ext works with ext4
[21:57] <yofel> BUGabundo: use journal-less ext4 if you have kernel >=2.6.29
[21:57] <BUGabundo> if not, I won't access it on  the wind PC
[21:57] <BUGabundo> yofel: _31
[21:58] <billybigrig> BUGabundo: i didn't take you for the windows type of guy
[21:58] <billybigrig> :(
[21:58] <yofel> BUGabundo: then use ext4 without journal if you don't want one, but the overhead really isn't that big.
[21:59] <BUGabundo> billybigrig old pc. 512 mb of ram. hibernates in 6 sec, resumes in less then 10
[21:59] <BUGabundo> can't do that on Linux :((
[22:00] <yofel> BUGabundo: you might not have an ssd but this article from ted ts'o is still relevant if you want to know about journal overhead
[22:00] <yofel> BUGabundo: http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/03/01/ssds-journaling-and-noatimerelatime/
[22:01] <BUGabundo> no time to read it ehhe
[22:01] <BUGabundo> want to do FRESH install tonigh
[22:01] <BUGabundo> woot single partition on ext4 with swap on file
[22:01] <BUGabundo> YAH
[22:02] <yofel> err, no separate root and home?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> NOPE
[22:03] <BUGabundo> you don't need that since hardy
[22:03] <BUGabundo> the installer can erase system files, keeping userland safe
[22:03] <BUGabundo> and then putting new files on disk
[22:04] <BUGabundo> Error while creating partition table.
[22:04] <BUGabundo> well its starting nicelly
[22:04] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:04] <eagles0513875> haha
[22:04] <eagles0513875> install jaunty and upgrade to karmic
[22:04] <yofel> BUGabundo: what did you use?
[22:04] <eagles0513875> i have been hearing alot of people having installation issues of cd and what not
[22:04] <BUGabundo> Jul 14 22:04:44 blubug kernel: [ 1712.414294] ata4: limiting SATA link speed to 1.5 Gbps
[22:04] <BUGabundo> Jul 14 22:04:44 blubug kernel: [ 1712.414299] ata4: hard resetting link
[22:04] <BUGabundo> errr
[22:04] <BUGabundo> yofel: gparted
[22:05] <yofel> ok, thats bad...
[22:05] <BUGabundo> either the disk is faulty or the case doesn't like it, on e-sata
[22:05] <Sarvatt> did you leave the sata 1.5 jumper enabled on the drive by any chance? :D
[22:05] <yofel> didn't have that since one of my drives just thought it would shut down while I'm working on it *-.-
[22:05]  * BUGabundo checks connections
[22:06] <yofel> and it had NTFS to boot
[22:06] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: didn't touch it! can that be it ?
[22:06] <yofel> so I had to boot windows to get the fs fixed -.-
[22:06] <syn-ack> hi guys
[22:06] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: no jumper on the disk
[22:06] <yofel> syn-ack: hi
[22:06] <BUGabundo> hey syn-ack. long time no see
[22:06] <yofel> BUGabundo: what's the rest of the ata error?
[22:07] <syn-ack> BUGabundo: Its only been like half a day or so. :P
[22:07] <syn-ack> BUGabundo: Got a bunch of IRL stuff going on... Funerals and such so yeah
[22:08] <BUGabundo> I think this is a power prob. I don't listen to the disk spin up :((
[22:08] <eagles0513875> yofel: you might wanna try the widget again seems like there is an update for dhcp3
[22:08] <eagles0513875> BUGabundo: whats ur psu rated at
[22:08] <yofel> eagles0513875: actually a reboot fixed it
[22:08] <syn-ack> Question is the UbuntuOne going to help me with trying to get the app working on karmic if I go in there and bug them?
[22:08] <syn-ack> OR
[22:09] <eagles0513875> im noticing alot of rebooting as well as fsck in init 1 fixes alot of stuff
[22:09] <syn-ack> Will they say "juanty only?"
[22:10] <syn-ack> if not, I'll download all the source and shit and fix it on my own, I was just curious if you guys had any idea
[22:11] <BUGabundo> ok disk is now spining, plugged e-sata
[22:11] <BUGabundo> logs look ok
[22:11] <BUGabundo> restarting gparted
[22:11] <yofel> syn-ack: I'm running u1 here on karmic, what's your problem?
[22:11] <billybigrig> BUGabundo: what kinda drive?
[22:11] <syn-ack> yofel: it doesnt seem to install. At all.
[22:12] <syn-ack> I saw the bug about hitting install twice, did that and it still doesnt show up in my menus
[22:12] <syn-ack> yofel: Whats the actual executable of it called?
[22:12] <yofel> syn-ack: what version do you try to install? mine is: 0.90.3+r77-0ubuntu1~ppa1~karmic
[22:12] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/218313/
[22:12] <BUGabundo> billybigrig seagate sata 7200rps 32m cache 1,5TB (base 10)
[22:12] <BUGabundo> eagles0513875: psu !?
[22:12] <eagles0513875> ya
[22:12] <BUGabundo> syn-ack: U1 works on Karmic
[22:13] <syn-ack> hrm
[22:13] <billybigrig> BUGabundo: you have it in 3.0gbps mode now?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> not sure
[22:14] <BUGabundo> Jul 14 22:11:30 blubug kernel: [ 2118.232066] ata4: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
[22:14] <billybigrig> check your bios?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table
[22:14] <BUGabundo> Disk /dev/sdb: 1500.3 GB, 1500301910016 bytes
[22:14] <syn-ack> yofel: what is the name of the executable?
[22:15] <yofel> syn-ack: ubuntuone-client-applet
[22:15] <syn-ack> yofel: I dont have it... let me check the repos....
[22:17] <yofel> syn-ack: what does 'apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client' tell you?
[22:18] <syn-ack> Installed: 0.90.3-0ubuntu1
[22:18] <BUGabundo> syn-ack: ask on #ubuntu-one
[22:18] <BUGabundo> but you need TWO packages
[22:18] <BUGabundo>  the client and client-gnome
[22:18] <syn-ack> BUGabundo: Yeah, Im discovering that now
[22:18] <syn-ack> thanks for the help
[22:19] <billybigrig> how much storage does u1 give you?
[22:19] <billybigrig> maybe i should try it out
[22:19] <BUGabundo> 2G free
[22:19] <BUGabundo> wanna an invite?
[22:19] <BUGabundo> I must be the person to have sent more invites LOL
[22:19] <billybigrig> sure
[22:19] <BUGabundo> about 200
[22:19] <syn-ack> Thats what the problem was. I had the client but not the gnome tools
[22:19] <BUGabundo> billybigrig PVT your email
[22:19] <BUGabundo> but you will have to wait for me to finish this
[22:19] <syn-ack> BUGabundo: Thanks for the invite then. :D
[22:20] <syn-ack> you probably approved me this morning
[22:20] <BUGabundo> syn-ack: ahah you were one of them?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> nope. not me
[22:20] <syn-ack> meskes@gmail
[22:20] <syn-ack> BUGabundo: aye
[22:20] <BUGabundo> I don't approve anything
[22:21] <syn-ack> aha! workie workie
[22:21] <BUGabundo> this is takinggggg toooo longggggg
[22:21] <BUGabundo> xfs is soooo much faster creating volumes
[22:22] <syn-ack> BUGabundo: than?
[22:22]  * yofel wants btrfs with transparent compression :/
[22:22] <BUGabundo> syn-ack: then what?
[22:22] <syn-ack> BUGabundo: Faster than what at creating volumes?
[22:23] <BUGabundo> then I'll need to rsync /etc /home exclude .crypt (on encfs
[22:23] <BUGabundo> syn-ack: xfs is much faster then ext
[22:23] <yofel> well, ext[234] do take ages to write those inode tables...
[22:23] <syn-ack> Aha.
[22:23] <syn-ack> BUGabundo: I used to use XFS exclusivly till ext4 came along and I thought I'd give it a try
[22:24] <Sarvatt> oh man, you use dm-crypt too?! you just like using everything possible just because its there to break things dont you BUGabundo? :D
[22:24] <yofel> well, now that e4defrag seems to get usable I prefer it over XFS
[22:25] <SwedeMike> I prefer tried and tested filesystems... like xfs.
[22:26] <BUGabundo> yreah me too
[22:26] <BUGabundo> this laptop is / ext3 10GBs
[22:26] <BUGabundo> and home on XFS
[22:26] <BUGabundo> no prob on xfs_check 300GiBs ULTRA FAST
[22:26] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: nope. I use encfs! been using it since gutsy
[22:26] <BUGabundo> then it broke and I (temporarly) lost  access to all my data
[22:26] <BUGabundo> had to boot old livecd to decrypt and encrypt on new format :(
[22:26] <BUGabundo> SwedeMike: xfs suffers from most probs ext4 suffers
[22:26] <BUGabundo> on what it depends on the time to write to disk
[22:27] <BUGabundo> even worse, since ext4 is beeing activly patched and xfs only gets _some_ backports latter on
[22:27] <SwedeMike> at least the code has long time exposure to real life.
[22:27] <BUGabundo> I wonder if colin did any progress on swap on file
[22:27] <BUGabundo> I'll be testing it till the end of the devel cycle
[22:28] <BUGabundo> so I HOPE it works, or I'm leaft without swap
[22:28] <BUGabundo> let me go nag him
[22:30] <MrStein> The timezone selection in installer is still scheisse. Worth reporting ? I believe this was reported 1 or 2 releases ago.... :-(
[22:30] <Sarvatt> i've been using a swap file since jaunty with no problems (but i have no use for hibernation)
[22:30] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: but I do
[22:31] <BUGabundo> MrStein: yeah I did a VB install today with daily, and my time zone was 1h ahead :(
[22:31] <syn-ack> heh
[22:31] <syn-ack> I barely have a swap
[22:32] <BUGabundo> I have 8GiBs of it
[22:32] <syn-ack> On a notebook?
[22:33] <BUGabundo> 4G of RAM
[22:33] <BUGabundo> so 2x that
[22:34] <yofel> why that?
[22:34] <billybigrig> the 2x ram for swap is not needed anymore BUGabundo
[22:34] <syn-ack> thats the golden rule
[22:34] <billybigrig> that's old school, where systems only had 512mb - 1gb of ram
[22:34] <BUGabundo> BUAAA
[22:34] <syn-ack> yeah?
[22:34] <billybigrig> 8 gb of swap is wayyyyy tooo much :P
[22:34] <yofel> I have 4GiB RAM on my notebook too with 4,5GiB swap for when I use hibernate sometimes
[22:34] <yofel> but more is just waste of disk space
[22:35] <syn-ack> leave BUGabundo alone, he's hardcore. :p
[22:35] <BUGabundo> cjwaton says he has no idea on how swap on file is right now or if it works :((
[22:35] <BUGabundo> billybigrig care to let me know how to put 4G or FULL RAM into disk?
[22:35] <syn-ack> the only reason I only have 100 megs instead of 1 gig is that I forgot a zero. :p
[22:35] <BUGabundo> try to use my email client
[22:35] <BUGabundo> and see it SUCK 1G or ram
[22:35] <BUGabundo> and another for pidgin
[22:36] <yofel> the only things that eat up ram here are ffx kvm and gnome-do(memleak)
[22:37] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/218330/ gparted log woot
[22:37] <yofel> at least suspend and hibernate actually *work* on my thinkpad now with karmic, and I've been using ubuntu on it since gutsy
[22:38] <BUGabundo> no mem leak for me up until now
[22:38] <BUGabundo> the only one I know of is a µblog purple plugin for pidin
[22:38] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: can you test hibernate right now?
[22:39] <yofel> BUGabundo: I once found gnome-do using 1.6g RES - that's a memleak for me
[22:39] <BUGabundo> maybe a bad plygin?
[22:39] <BUGabundo> try to remove them and enable one at a time
[22:39] <BUGabundo> I don't so it can be some plugin you have and I don't
[22:40] <BUGabundo> or 32 vs 64 bits
[22:40] <BUGabundo>  /dev/sdb1               1      182401  1465136001   83  Linux
[22:40] <BUGabundo> now the rsync
[22:41] <yofel> well, I'll try that and report the results tomorrow I guess
[22:41] <BUGabundo> rsync -vrhP --stats
[22:41] <BUGabundo> tomorrow will be a bit to late for me
[22:41] <BUGabundo> ahah
[22:42] <BUGabundo> sent 56.01M bytes  received 48.06K bytes  3.62M bytes/sec
[22:42] <yofel> BUGabundo: it's not like gnome-do reaches 1g ram usage within minutes :P
[22:42] <BUGabundo> gotta love rsync
[22:43] <BUGabundo> 23571 bugabund 122m  23m 381m  20   0 S  0.5  3.1   0:58.69 /usr/bin/cli /usr/lib/gnome-do/Do.exe
[22:43] <BUGabundo> what's yours?
[22:44] <BUGabundo> how do I exclude a path from rsycn? I don't want to rsync my .crypt dir
[22:44] <yofel> 23019 yofel     20   0  564m 271m  23m S    0  6.8   0:19.85 gnome-do
[22:45] <Sarvatt> hmm
[22:45] <Sarvatt> invoke-rc.d: initscript bluetooth, action "stop" failed.
[22:45] <Sarvatt> dpkg: warning: old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[22:45] <Sarvatt> dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
[22:45] <Sarvatt> invoke-rc.d: initscript bluetooth, action "stop" failed.
[22:45] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: ahaah
[22:47] <BUGabundo> (nautilus:501): Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Unable to connect to the running instance, aborting.
[22:48] <BUGabundo> can't open nautilus with sudo
[22:48] <BUGabundo> haah
[22:49] <Sarvatt> why you trying to open nautilus with sudo?
[22:50] <Sarvatt> hmm works here
[22:50] <MrStein> On what is the keyboard layout suggestion in installation step 3 based ?
[22:52] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: worse: as root
[22:52] <MrStein> Jesus, there is a bug on every page of the installer.... :-p
[22:52] <BUGabundo> ah?
[22:53] <MrStein> step 3 : the world map is too small to make accurate selection, especiall in dense areas, like Europe
[22:54] <MrStein> step 4: is suggests USA kbd layout, even if other layout is used in the country selected in step 3
[22:54] <MrStein> step 5 : there is a warning icon (triangle with exclamation sign), but no explanation, what it is warning about
[22:54] <MrStein> (I did not reach step 6 yet)
[22:55] <billybigrig> BUGabundo: did you send me an invite to u1?
[22:55] <yofel> wasn't the keyboard preselect based on what language you choosed when booting the live image?
[22:55] <BUGabundo> darn... can't make rsync exclude
[22:55] <BUGabundo> billybigrig not yet
[22:55] <billybigrig> roger
[22:55] <billybigrig> BUGabundo: no worries
[22:56] <BUGabundo> doing it now
[22:56] <billybigrig> dont worry
[22:56] <billybigrig> is u1 installed via ppa or what?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> will I try to figure why --exclude=/home/bugabundo/.crypt doesn't work :(
[22:56] <BUGabundo> yes
[22:56] <BUGabundo> both aways
[22:57] <yofel> don't remember which page it was, but I don't quite get why ubiquity whows 2 partition graphs on the partitioning page
[22:57] <BUGabundo> either PPA ( best way to get karmic one )
[22:57] <BUGabundo> ot their site, with apt-url and you get jaunty one
[22:57] <yofel> s/whows/shows
[22:57] <BUGabundo> that works the same
[22:58] <BUGabundo> billybigrig sent! welcome to the cloud
[22:58] <billybigrig> BUGabundo: thanks :P
[22:59] <BUGabundo> come on! all this ppl here at least one KNOWS how to exclude from rsync
[23:05] <billybigrig> linux-headers-2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714_2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb
[23:06] <billybigrig> linux-image-2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714_2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb
[23:06] <billybigrig> linux-source-2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714_2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714-10.00.Custom_all.deb
[23:06] <billybigrig> Sarvatt: thats what i get
[23:06] <billybigrig> why does it appened -billybigrigger0714 twice?
[23:07] <catharcyst> ubuntu karmic keeps rejecting my pasword when i run update manager
[23:07] <catharcyst> so i can't update using the gui
[23:07] <yofel> catharcyst: when did you last install updates?
[23:08] <catharcyst> yesterday i believe yofel
[23:09] <BUGabundo> catharcyst: known bug
[23:09] <yofel> there was some breakage in libgksu yesterday iirc, so check if you get an update for libgksu in terminal
[23:10] <catharcyst> ok will do thanks yofel
[23:11] <BUGabundo> catharcyst: and remember your mirror may still be behind main
[23:11] <catharcyst> apparently i dont have libgksu
[23:11] <BUGabundo> so check your sources and versions available
[23:11] <catharcyst> k BUGabundo
[23:11] <BUGabundo> with apt-cache policy libgksu
[23:11] <catharcyst> k
[23:12] <billybigrig> stupd dkms
[23:12] <billybigrig> i still can't build that nvidia module
[23:12] <billybigrig> same error
[23:12] <catharcyst> not available
[23:13] <yofel> catharcyst: libgksu2-0
[23:13] <catharcyst> k
[23:16] <catharcyst> yofel that fixed it
[23:16] <catharcyst> thanks a lot
[23:17] <Q-FUNK> about bug #399482 the real issue is that prerm doesn't have any case/esac loop to catch dpkg commands (upgrade|failed-upgrade, etc.)
[23:18] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:18] <BUGabundo> glad I haven't done todays updates
[23:18] <BUGabundo> hehe
[23:18] <Q-FUNK> :)
[23:18] <Q-FUNK> it indeed seems to have been a messy one
[23:18] <catharcyst> hehe
[23:19] <Q-FUNK> nothing major, but somewhat hasty packaging, for some packages
[23:19] <BUGabundo> Q-FUNK: and I know you did it
[23:20] <syn-ack> speaking of which
[23:20]  * syn-ack downloads the dailies
[23:21] <syn-ack> from yesterday. heh
[23:22] <BUGabundo> I just do my rsyncs from daily images
[23:22] <BUGabundo> usually I get 100-150MiBs
[23:23] <Q-FUNK> BUGabundo: :D
[23:24] <Q-FUNK> nah, but I've been quite busy with 'ubuntu-bug'
[23:24] <BUGabundo> yeah I would love to have the time for it
[23:26] <Q-FUNK> here, it's just that I have one host running karmic, mostly because I need to anticipate for possible showstoppers that would break support for Geode-based hardware
[23:26] <BUGabundo> I know
[23:26] <BUGabundo> that's a good thing
[23:26] <BUGabundo> if *everyone* tested their prob *early* many would be in good state on release
[23:27] <BUGabundo> or not..... we would be overworked
[23:27] <Q-FUNK> I just happen to catch unreleated issues whenever 'upgrade-system' drags in broken packages, at which point I go 'ubuntu-bug' trigger happy. ;)
[23:29] <Q-FUNK> testing early is easy enough.  the difficulty is testing, only to find that whatever package you reported against has been rebased with a newer release.  then, often, people are simply asked to try the new one, instead of anyone bothering with the initial bug report.
[23:33] <MrStein> alpha2 does not boot on my PC, thanks good, otherwise I would be testing it til the morning (it is midnight here) :-)
[23:33] <billybigrig> BUGabundo: get your webcam working yeT?
[23:33] <syn-ack> alright, upload the rebuild of bluez already. :P
[23:33] <BUGabundo> nope
[23:34] <BUGabundo> miss match with gspca
[23:34] <Q-FUNK> syn-ack: funny you mention that one. filed two bugs against it today :)
[23:34] <syn-ack> aye, I saw 'em. :P
[23:36] <BUGabundo> I give you guys a single change to guess what's taking longer on my rsync to a new disk ! ahah
[23:36] <BUGabundo> no one will get it
[23:41] <Q-FUNK> disk writes?
[23:43] <syn-ack> Q-FUNK: I was expecting the bluez bug since I knew about it going into it, its the bugs that I dont know about that worry me. :P
[23:46] <billybigrig> anyone have any good suggestions for hosting bootcharts? like a decent front end php script or something similar?
[23:46] <BUGabundo> er?
[23:47] <BUGabundo> I just upload my png to my zenphoto galery on my server
[23:47] <BUGabundo> you can even use dropbox to share it
[23:47] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:47] <billybigrig> i got nothing on my server
[23:47] <billybigrig> plain jane apache
[23:47] <billybigrig> zenphoto gallery, maybe ill check that out
[23:49] <syn-ack> How long does it take the updated package take to actually propagate through the update system before its available for download from the repo network?
[23:49] <syn-ack> I'd assume its a matter of hours, no?
[23:49] <BUGabundo> or less
[23:50] <BUGabundo> depends on the package and load on the builders
[23:50] <syn-ack> ah
[23:51] <syn-ack> w00t. Uncle Milty's on Little House
[23:51]  * syn-ack loves Uncle Milty. One of the best actors of all time...