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qixcom	hi, I noticed a strange issue and was wondering whether anyone else has noticed... When I open synaptic and it asks for the root password it keeps telling me that the password is wrong when its not... I know that for a fact, whats stranger is that when I open an application with the sudo command and enter the password it works	00:23
douglasawh-work2	is it actually asking for root or sudo?	00:24
douglasawh-work2	those are two different things	00:24
douglasawh-work2	though, root would be odd	00:25
bcurtiswx	whats the proper command line way to upgrade from jaunty to karmic	00:26
yofel	qixcom: do you have all updates installed? I remember some talk about a gksu bug that was fixed a few hours ago	00:26
qixcom	Well I just upgraded a few hours ago so it might have updated when I was upgrading	00:26
qixcom	just installing firefox3.5 and empathy(thank god for the terminal) :)	00:27
yofel	qixcom: check update-manager for updates on libgksu	00:27
yofel	or apt-get if update-manager won't work ;)	00:27
yofel	bcurtiswx: why do you want to update per cli?	00:28
yofel	s/update/upgrade	00:28
qixcom	When is firefox supposed to get proper branding?	00:29
bcurtiswx	yofei: just wondering.. i know of the update-manager -d, but last time i tried that when it installed the new GDM it restarted my session and i think parts of the install got screwed up	00:30
bcurtiswx	yofel: ^^	00:30
qixcom	bcurtiswx - I just performed an update-manager -d a few hours ago and gdm works :)	00:30
yofel	bcurtiswx: oh, that bug is fixed now if that's what's holding you back, other than that I only know about editing sources.lst and upgrade with apt-get dist-upgrade or better with aptitude	00:31
bcurtiswx	qixcom, cool.. this could be a system specific problem	00:31
bcurtiswx	yofel: ok thx	00:31
qixcom	bcurtiswx - doubtful, I would assume the bug would be related to the greeter	00:31
yofel	the fault was a broken postinst script that restarted gdm during the update -> bad idea ;)	00:32
qixcom	actually, was kinda warm and fuzzy inside when I saw that ubuntu made the switch to the new gdm	00:32
qixcom	yofel - ouch	00:32
qixcom	yofel - any idea whether the new greater is in development yet?	00:33
yofel	qixcom: what do you mean? The message that says something about simple-greeter settings not saved?	00:33
qixcom	yofel - no, I had a convo with macslow quite some time ago about the facebrowser and the requirements for it.. apparently the greater needs some work post migration to the new gdm	00:34
qixcom	so we are at least half way there	00:34
qixcom	:)	00:35
yofel	no idea abou that, I want a new gdmsetup fast, fiddling around with gconf is annoying :P	00:36
qixcom	yofel - I was surprised when I found out there was still no new gdmsetup considering how long its been on fedora	00:38
isamar	hi folks...	00:46
isamar	anyone here knows ubuntu's debian-installer deeply ?	00:46
moloch	How can I enable ati binary drivers if they are not showing up in the restricted drivers	00:47
yofel	moloch: what card do you have?	00:48
moloch	mobile x200m. I can use the prop ati in mepis	00:48
moloch	I just installed ubuntu for the first time today	00:49
yofel	moloch: which ubuntu version?	00:49
moloch	9.04	00:49
moloch	Could it be because I installed it through wubi?	00:50
yofel	moloch: this is the support channel for ubuntu 9.10 karmic koala. ubuntu 9.04 support is in #ubuntu	00:50
moloch	oh, sorry.	00:50
yofel	np	00:51
DanaG	grr, damn "memblock.c: pool full" spam... then PA dies.	02:26
DanaG	And then QuodLibet spams notify-osd with track-change notifications... which notify-osd then takes its sweet old time in showing, one...............at......................a.....................time..................like.....................this.	02:27
bcurtiswx	hey, so i can't load the 2.6.30-2 kernel	02:29
bcurtiswx	it stays at "starting up"	02:29
DanaG	ugh, and ntfs-3g really sucks, too... nowhere else does copying SATA->SATA go at a measly 12 megabytes per second.	02:30
DanaG	damnit, why does pulseaudio keep dying?	02:30
bcurtiswx	anyone know of anyone else having my problem?	02:31
DanaG	www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/pulse.log	02:40
DanaG	Argh!	02:42
DanaG	What is up with that?	02:42
DanaG	That's the first major issue I've had with PulseAudio in quite a while.	02:53
oldude67	your lucky...it gives me fits everyday...hates my sound card	02:54
Bezow	cannot install nvidea 180 graphics drivers any way to do thiss through the terminal?	02:56
billybigrigger_	Bezow, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180	02:59
Bezow	ty	02:59
* DanaG needs-eth help-eth.		03:02
DanaG	=þ	03:02
oldude67	has anyone had any luck at fixing the gdm issue?	03:06
billybigrigger_	which one? :P	03:06
DanaG	"the gdm issue"?	03:06
oldude67	yeah about a week ago i did a stupid partial update and it hasnt worked right since.	03:07
billybigrigger_	whats wrong?	03:07
oldude67	no matter how i try to change it from kdm it defaults right back to it.	03:07
oldude67	when booting it says in an error window to configure it manually and i have done that several times.	03:08
billybigrigger_	ya ya, thats fixed	03:09
billybigrigger_	at least its coming	03:09
oldude67	oh ok..so its not just me?	03:09
billybigrigger_	no, its being held back for me right now	03:09
billybigrigger_	it'll come	03:09
oldude67	k	03:09
billybigrigger_	be patient :P	03:09
DanaG	COnfigure it manually? whaddaya mean, configure it manually?	03:10
oldude67	oh i just thought maybe i wasnt doing something right or something stupid	03:10
DanaG	"Reopen windows manually" you mean?	03:10
DanaG	sorry, the wording you used was a bit odd. =þ	03:10
oldude67	no it says gdm has to be configured manually and defaults back to kdm	03:10
* DanaG hopes rebooting will fix the damned audio.		03:10
oldude67	i said it right	03:10
DanaG	Ah, different issue than I have, then.	03:10
oldude67	yeah	03:11
billybigrigger_	oh, maybe something different then what im thinking too	03:11
oldude67	audio working fine for now....fixed alsa	03:11
billybigrigger_	but in any case, search launchpad for a bug, and if you find it subscribe to it	03:11
bcurtiswx	http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.30-rc8/ how do I add that PPA to my software sources?	03:11
billybigrigger_	or make a new one	03:11
billybigrigger_	and wait for a fix :P	03:11
oldude67	i just did a alsa reload and mine came back..but i have rebooted since then too.	03:12
oldude67	im just on a play machine so im just testing things so i can see if they are going to break before i put them to use on the main machine..lol	03:13
DanaG	ah, rebooting fixed my audio.	03:22
DanaG	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/268506	03:22
ubottu	Ubuntu bug 268506 in linux "Cannot configure Synaptics TouchStyk settings (e.g. sensitivity, tapping, press/select)" [Undecided,New]	03:22
bcurtiswx	http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.30-rc8/ how do I add that PPA to my software sources?	03:25
billybigrig	you probably need the apt key	03:55
billybigrig	or not	04:01
DanaG	hmm, I'm curious when we'll see a 2.6.31-3-generic (i.e. RC3).	04:21
DanaG	I need some of the fixes that are in git right now. =þ	04:21
billybigrig	like	04:25
billybigrig	?	04:25
rski	most like wlan :>	04:25
DanaG	Like, fixing hp-wmi rfkill.	04:25
DanaG	=þ	04:26
billybigrig	i built todays daily kernel from kernel.org and it fixed my network manager problem of not auto-connecting my wired connection on gnome login	04:26
billybigrig	but not my webcam like i wanted	04:26
billybigrig	stupid gspca	04:28
DanaG	http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.31-rc3	04:36
DanaG	ah, so when'll we see an ubuntu one?	04:36
ghindo	DanaG, I'd guess a few days.	04:39
ghindo	No rush :)	04:39
DanaG	hah, it was released... tomorrow?	04:43
DanaG	http://kernel.org/	04:43
DanaG	ah, 2009-07-14 01:28 UTC	04:43
DanaG	I'm at -8 hours.	04:43
DanaG	hah, stupid update-manager... says package info was last upgraded 10 days ago.	05:31
DanaG	It's wrong.	05:31
DanaG	In fact, I ran package upgrades about one HOUR ago,.	05:31
DanaG	10 days, my ass.	05:32
DanaG	=þ	05:32
johnf1	Anyone noticed anything strange with the system load	05:49
johnf1	I have processes eating 90% cpu, the laptop feels sluggish but my load is mestiriously 0.00	05:49
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ripps_	well, I now get a segmentation fault in aptitude, I'm not how I'm suppose to remedy this without the ability to make updates	07:45
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kklimonda	ripps: if there is an update that fixes this issue you can install it with dpkg	07:45
ripps	kklimonda: how do I figure out what updates are available?	07:49
nhasian	hello everyone	08:24
JonDoe297	nhasian: hello :)	08:25
nhasian	JonDoe297, how's karmic treating you these days?	08:25
JonDoe297	well, everything is OK, but I have encountered with some mysterious GIMP freeze yesterday	08:26
nhasian	hmm i dont use gimp much except to resize photos ^_^	08:26
JonDoe297	I can't use it - after opening image, and trying to do something with instrument on it, X freezes	08:27
nhasian	let me see if i can duplicate the issue.	08:27
JonDoe297	I think you will not have this issue	08:27
nhasian	if i can use the crop tool on the picture, will that be enough?	08:27
JonDoe297	yes, try crop tool	08:27
nhasian	i did not have any freezes so i guess thats a good thing :)	08:29
JonDoe297	just as I said :)	08:29
JonDoe297	I think that's because I'm using Sarvatt's PPA for Xorg Testing (https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/xorg-testing)	08:29
nhasian	did you see if there were any similar bugs? or file a bug yourself?	08:29
nhasian	ah that could make a difference...	08:30
JonDoe297	I've found some bugreports on red hat's bugzilla	08:30
JonDoe297	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505823 - like this, for example	08:31
ubottu	bugzilla.redhat.com bug 505823 in xorg-x11-server "xserver crash with gimp" [Medium,Closed: duplicate]	08:31
JonDoe297	there were some suggestions, like trying to disable "vnc" module in xorg.conf file	08:31
JonDoe297	I tried that, but no luck :(	08:31
ripps	Hey, my aptitude and apt-get get segmentation faults, How am I suppose to update anything without them. I suppose I can still use dpkg, but I don't where and what to install to fix this.	08:52
[[MindVirus]]	ripps, do you know why they segfault?	08:53
[[MindVirus]]	Oh, this is Karmic's channel. Nevermind, I can't help.	08:54
\|ns\|nR8	sudo apt-get clean	08:54
\|ns\|nR8	rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin	08:55
\|ns\|nR8	then id try change sources and apt update	08:56
ripps	\|ns\|nR8: removing the *.bin did the trick. thanks	09:11
\|ns\|nR8	no worries	09:15
svqyqb	http://tinyurl.com/nkypfa	09:34
ctp	hi folks. would you recommend karmic for daily work for someone beeing linux user for more than 10 years? so i'm expecting _some_ bugs but need a system which is stable enough to work with ;-)	10:01
hifi	I run karmic, have since the repository went online	10:01
hifi	I think it depends what kind of software are you running	10:02
hifi	my home desktop runs only openbox and on top of it rxvt-unicode and firefox so the combination is pretty solid, not too many moving parts that might broke	10:02
ctp	hifi: i wanna run kde 4.3 ;-) never touched kde before (except for some tests ;-)). but 4.3 seems to rock ;-)	10:04
umask001	ctp: what features are new in kde that are cool?	10:06
ctp	umask001: i began coding qt. the widget framework is really cool. i need a vis widget for mesh networks which i'll code on 4.3	10:08
ctp	umask001: qt seems to make coder's life easier.	10:09
reto`	I don't understand why KDE/GNOME are not joining forces to create a new GUI. It doesn't help much to have two "competing" major window managers. Linux would be advancing much faster like that.	10:11
kklimonda	reto`: because KDE and GNOME has different views at Usability	10:12
reto`	kklimonda: hmm... what are those differences?	10:13
umask001	it's strange.. I used windowmaker for years. Switched to Gnome because it was somewhat like CDE which I was using at work. I liked CDE because it was unobtrusive (even though it was ugly as hell). I've always disliked KDE, but now it's much more like CDE than Gnome ever was	10:13
kklimonda	reto`: franky speaking, I don't remember as I don't follow the issue.	10:16
kklimonda	reto`: also the other important factor is a GTK+ vs. QT debate.	10:16
ctp	reto`: linux is a basaar. it's good that it offers 3-4 big desktop environments, dozens of window managers, 10 web servers, 6 smtp servers, cvs/svn/git/mercurial, dozens mailers etc. it's hard enough to manage kde with maybe hundred developers ;-)	10:16
kklimonda	ctp: why is it good wrt desktop environments (and ui toolkits)?	10:18
ctp	reto`: what's important is to share the underlying usability approaches. but that's not sharing code but concepts	10:18
kklimonda	ctp: I agree that it's good we have a few different web servers, a ton of vcs software etc..	10:19
kklimonda	but imo having two DE and two (ok, even more) competing toolkits isn't the best situation.	10:19
ctp	qt and gtk are going completely different ways. kde e.g. is portable enough for win32 and qtopia apps but it's heavy weight	10:20
umask001	thats like asking two artists to paint your picture, then telling one of them to put their brush down after a few minutes. Nothing can be done that won't offend one side or the other, so they both compete and they both share when it benifits them	10:21
kklimonda	ctp: do they? I was always thinking that both qt and glib/gtk has similar goals (and only gtk is a bit behind..)	10:22
ctp	kklimonda: did you ever see gtk on a mobile device?	10:22
ctp	;-)	10:23
* ctp is away for 10 minutes		10:23
kklimonda	ctp: but afair gtk devs were targetting mobile devices too..	10:23
cge	Has anyone installed from nightlies recently? I'm wondering if they're decent right now.	10:37
Ng	cge: I did so last week	10:39
cge	No major failures?	10:39
Ng	nothing massive so far, but I'm quite used to running unstable debian-ish distros	10:39
cge	I used to run unstable+experimental	10:40
cge	I was primarily concerned that there might be a major problem with the nightly itself; I've had times when I've downloaded them and haven't had them work at all, which can be annoying.	10:40
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bushwakko	is it possible to install the newest 2.8 intel drivers on my kubuntu?	12:58
yofel	bushwakko: use https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates (stable) or https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa (unstable/experimental)	13:00
gnomefreak	bushwakko: useing upstream drivers im sure but atm the drivers in karmic dont support opengl2.0 or 2.1 dont remember. AFAIK the xorg-edgers PPA does, but i had issues reverting back to standard x packages after using it.	13:00
gnomefreak	ati has same lack of support as well atm	13:01
bushwakko	ok	13:01
gnomefreak	its the mesa 7.6 packages you need for opengl 2.1	13:03
gnomefreak	PPA has them	13:03
gnomefreak	sorry we were talking about this 20 or so minutes ago and had to look at the logs	13:04
bushwakko	I have an intel 915 btw, whats the status for those compared to the regular karmic I now have?	13:04
bushwakko	intel 910GL actually	13:04
gnomefreak	1 sec let me see i know ati is 3-6 months	13:04
gnomefreak	bushwakko: not sure about that chipset	13:05
gnomefreak	the PPA might have it fixed but that is a might. noone i know uses that chipset	13:06
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bushwakko	it's not that there is something wrong with the ones i\|m using now though, would be fun to see if there is a speed upgrade or something ;)	13:08
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* gnomefreak couldnt tell you :) we were only talking about this because of o3d support ")		13:10
gnomefreak	:)	13:10
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Supersaiyan_IV	Experience with xmms2 + equalizer plugin? If so, is the equalizer helping much, or just barely?	13:39
Le-Chuck_ITA	Hi, do some of you know how to redirect the current standard output to a file in bash?	13:41
Le-Chuck_ITA	or, better, in /bin/sh which is dash I think=?	13:41
BluesKaj	Hiyas all	13:42
Le-Chuck_ITA	I have to debug the new firefox 3.5 script seems broken	13:42
gnomefreak	Le-Chuck_ITA: define broken	13:42
Le-Chuck_ITA	gnomefreak: thunderbird launches it correctly, but the firefox window does not appear	13:42
Le-Chuck_ITA	if I put "date >> /tmp/file" at points in the script I see it's run	13:43
Le-Chuck_ITA	it is runned	13:43
Le-Chuck_ITA	whatever :)	13:43
gnomefreak	Le-Chuck_ITA: ok what script? is this one you wrote?	13:43
Le-Chuck_ITA	no it's the ubuntu /usr/lib/firefox-3.5/firefox.sh script	13:43
Le-Chuck_ITA	if only I could see its output	13:43
Le-Chuck_ITA	hmm	13:44
gnomefreak	Le-Chuck_ITA: hold on a second	13:44
Le-Chuck_ITA	perhaps launching it from another script	13:44
* BluesKaj dumped FF in favour of chromium-browser		13:44
Le-Chuck_ITA	BluesKaj: too in love with firefox :)	13:44
gnomefreak	Le-Chuck_ITA: something like command 2>&1 \| tee log.txt sorry in middle of something but what do you mean? ff doesnt launch for you without linking?	13:45
gnomefreak	Le-Chuck_ITA: did you set it as default in preffered apps menu?	13:46
BluesKaj	Le-Chuck_ITA, I was too but it began to be slow and cumbersome ...now that chrome has flash and java working , I'm in , so to speak	13:46
Le-Chuck_ITA	gnomefreak: firefox does not open, and I can't see the output but now I wrote a script to redirect the output	13:46
Le-Chuck_ITA	BluesKaj: will try chrome	13:46
Le-Chuck_ITA	gnomefreak: yes I did	13:46
Le-Chuck_ITA	gnomefreak: it worked two days ago	13:46
Le-Chuck_ITA	it does not work right now	13:46
gnomefreak	Le-Chuck_ITA: daily builds?	13:46
Le-Chuck_ITA	I am using karmic so I'd like to eventually report any bug in shell scripts	13:46
Le-Chuck_ITA	no no	13:46
Le-Chuck_ITA	karmic :)	13:46
gnomefreak	Le-Chuck_ITA: we havent updated ff-3.5 in last few days	13:46
Le-Chuck_ITA	btw does anybody know how to get the close buttons on tabs back?	13:47
gnomefreak	well outside of daily	13:47
Le-Chuck_ITA	or at least a close button on the right	13:47
gnomefreak	Le-Chuck_ITA: disable ubufox	13:47
Le-Chuck_ITA	aha	13:47
Le-Chuck_ITA	great	13:47
gnomefreak	Le-Chuck_ITA: that should fix it all	13:47
gnomefreak	but dont remember if asac pushed new ubufox	13:47
gnomefreak	ill ask him to make sure	13:47
gnomefreak	Le-Chuck_ITA: join us in #ubuntu-mozillateam if you like	13:49
Le-Chuck_ITA	gnomefreak: thanks. I am now trying to run my custom script	13:49
Le-Chuck_ITA	now the firefox window appears	13:49
Le-Chuck_ITA	but without the right page in it :)	13:49
gnomefreak	Le-Chuck_ITA: what version of ubufox do you have?	13:50
flasbang73	how do i install karmic with wubi	13:53
rski	not possible afaik	13:53
rski	via any supported way	13:54
flasbang73	are you talking to me?	13:54
rski	yes	13:54
rski	i hope so	13:54
Pici	!who	13:54
ubottu	As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)	13:54
flasbang73	rski: are you sure there is no way is there a beta wubi i can get?	13:55
flasbang73	!tab	13:55
ubottu	You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.	13:55
BluesKaj	flasbang73, not until karmic is official	13:56
flasbang73	BluesKaj: so is there a way i can manualy do what wubi does?	13:56
BluesKaj	flasbang73, you have no option in wubi, as far as I know, to choose an alpha or beta (k)ubuntu release	13:58
BluesKaj	the latest is jaunty	13:58
flasbang73	BluesKaj: i tried to just upgrade from my wubi 9.04 install but it just messed up my mbr	13:58
flasbang73	BluesKaj: what if i make it skip the md5 sum check and change the file name to the 9.04 one	13:59
BluesKaj	flasbang73, it would . Do you know how to edit grub ?	13:59
flasbang73	BluesKaj: no i don't	13:59
flasbang73	BluesKaj: im new to ubuntu and i really like it but i don't want to do a full blown install	14:00
BluesKaj	flasbang73, I run jaunty in wubi on my laptop and karmic on my desktop ...there's not a lot of difference , believe me.	14:01
Le-Chuck_ITA	do you know what's the standard way to clean the environment in a bash script?	14:01
BluesKaj	flasbang73, then leave karmic alone ...it's only in it's development phase	14:02
flasbang73	BluesKaj: so it's mostly just a gnome differance	14:02
flasbang73	BluesKaj: well upgrade	14:02
Le-Chuck_ITA	clean your environment	14:02
Le-Chuck_ITA	save the pelikans	14:03
BluesKaj	flasbang73, dunno.I run kde (kubuntu)	14:03
flasbang73	BluesKaj: ok well thank you anyway	14:04
umask001	Le-Chuck_ITA: unset `env \| cut -d= -f1`	14:04
BluesKaj	flasbang73, I recommenf you stivk with jaunty for now	14:04
flasbang73	BluesKaj: just a random question can you use compiz in kde	14:04
BluesKaj	erryes	14:04
Le-Chuck_ITA	umask001: that's the standard way ?!?	14:04
Le-Chuck_ITA	scripting is a strange world :)	14:05
Le-Chuck_ITA	umask001: is it the same as env -i?	14:05
umask001	Le-Chuck_ITA: no idea what the standard way is.. I've never really thought about doing it before. I know some programs like sudo do it as a security measure but I don't know how they go about it	14:05
Le-Chuck_ITA	thanks	14:06
umask001	Le-Chuck_ITA: hrmm.. env -i might be new or something. That looks more appropriate	14:08
Le-Chuck_ITA	umask001: a pity it doesn't do anything	14:08
Le-Chuck_ITA	:)	14:08
umask001	Le-Chuck_ITA: It seems to. If you run "env -i sh" it'll start a new shell with no environment variables. So it's a one-off command	14:09
Le-Chuck_ITA	yes but i need it to work "inside" the shell script	14:11
Le-Chuck_ITA	it's karmic's firefox-3.5 startup script	14:11
Le-Chuck_ITA	if ran from thunderbird it inherits too many "MOZILLA-*" variables and it does not work	14:11
umask001	Le-Chuck_ITA: try changing the #! line at the top to say "#!/usr/bin/env -i /bin/sh"	14:12
Le-Chuck_ITA	umask001: nope	14:14
Le-Chuck_ITA	I am discouraged :)	14:15
Le-Chuck_ITA	will retry tomorrow	14:15
dhq	i have a dell m1530 now i have 3 jacks which support 5.1 channel. the problem is i cant get kubuntu to work with it please help me	14:16
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq do you have a 5.1 test file	14:18
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: and, did you try using mplayer to play it	14:18
dhq	Le-Chuck_ITA: i dont get the option for surround or anything	14:18
dhq	it doesnt detect the jack	14:18
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: hmm, I don't know where that option should be, but the gnome mixer in my 5.1 system shows 6 sliders	14:19
Le-Chuck_ITA	I don't have any "surround" option thoug	14:19
Le-Chuck_ITA	h	14:19
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: how many volume sliders in the gnome mixer?	14:19
dhq	Le-Chuck_ITA: i am using kubuntu karmic kola	14:19
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: I suppose the kde mixer applet should be similar	14:19
Le-Chuck_ITA	do you have just two sliders for the master volume?	14:20
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dhq	master,pcm, headphone, headphone2 these are the sliders i have	14:20
dhq	Le-Chuck_ITA: ^^	14:20
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: but master is stereo	14:20
dhq	Le-Chuck_ITA: i have no idea	14:21
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: you can see two sliders in the master	14:21
dhq	no just a single one	14:21
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq try alsamixer from the command line?	14:21
Le-Chuck_ITA	alsamixer will show you all the controllers in any case	14:22
Le-Chuck_ITA	you navigate with arrow keys and use spacebar to toggle buttons	14:22
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: from what I read around, yes you are supposed to have a surround switch but it is not visible by default in the gnome mixer, one needs to use the mixer preferences to enable it, perhaps it's the same in kde	14:23
dhq	Le-Chuck_ITA: no surround and the alsa mixer and kmix are the same	14:23
dhq	< Master > Headphon Headphon PCM Front Mi IEC958 IEC958 D IEC958 P Digital PC Beep	14:24
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: out of ideas :(	14:25
dhq	Le-Chuck_ITA: damn i need my 5.1	14:26
dhq	:(	14:26
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq at worst report a bug, did you google it hard?	14:26
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: did it work in jaunty?	14:26
dhq	Le-Chuck_ITA: i tried so manythings but no luck	14:26
dhq	Le-Chuck_ITA: yes it worked in janunty	14:26
dhq	Le-Chuck_ITA: thanks for your help though	14:33
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: if it worked in jaunty it's certainly a bug	14:33
Le-Chuck_ITA	report it, mark it as regression-potential	14:33
dhq	i dont know how	14:34
Le-Chuck_ITA	and try to get it triaged by somebody if you really need it :)	14:34
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: it's easy, but you need to subscribe to launchpad	14:34
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: point is that you need to do it in first person because you'll need to cooperate with developers when they will ask you to gather some debug info	14:34
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: but try	14:34
Le-Chuck_ITA	modinfo -p YOUR_CARD_MODULE	14:34
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: which you have to guess from lsmd	14:34
Le-Chuck_ITA	lsmod	14:34
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: all of the above in a root shell	14:35
dhq	hmm ok	14:35
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: modinfo -p will show your driver's options	14:36
Le-Chuck_ITA	maybe surround has been disabled by default for some reason	14:36
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: in the end you could try the kernel development irc channel	14:37
Le-Chuck_ITA	for ubuntu	14:37
Le-Chuck_ITA	but I don't remember the name, anybody???	14:37
yofel	wasn't it #ubuntu-kernel?	14:37
hggdh	yes	14:38
Le-Chuck_ITA	it is	14:38
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq try to ask in that channel, good luck :)	14:38
Le-Chuck_ITA	dhq: mention it's a regression	14:38
dhq	i will thats alot	14:39
JonDoe297	:(	14:41
oldude67	UnderSampled, what types of problems are you having?	14:42
UnderSampled	kernel error	14:42
oldude67	which kernel are you using?	14:42
UnderSampled	oldude67: default 9.04	14:43
oldude67	and whats the error?	14:43
UnderSampled	it breaks as it starts, even from the live cd	14:43
UnderSampled	WARNING at /build/builddd/linux-2.6.28/kernal/smo.c:333 smo_function_mask+0x1d4/0x1e0()	14:43
oldude67	well you can try the 9.10 and see if it will help..what type of machine is it going on?	14:44
UnderSampled	oldude67: desktop with a pentium 4	14:44
oldude67	thats odd what video card are you using?	14:44
UnderSampled	nvidia geforce 7600 gs	14:45
oldude67	have you tried the alternative cd?	14:46
UnderSampled	I have not, but I have tried the internet install from unetbootin, and also just installing 8.10 with an immidiate upgrade to 9.04	14:47
UnderSampled	8.04 works fine	14:48
drs305	UnderSampled: FYI, I am running 9.04 with a 7600 GS with no problems.	14:49
BluesKaj	UnderSampled, I have the nvidia geforce 7600GT, which is very similar , so yours should work without a hitch with the nividia-glx-180 driver	14:49
drs305	UnderSampled: ver 180 hardware driver	14:50
oldude67	hes getting a kernel panick	14:50
oldude67	panic ugh cant type today..not awake yet	14:50
UnderSampled	how does this have anything to do with the video card? it displays the boot sequence just fine. its the boot itself ;)	14:50
BluesKaj	right ..sorry i should have scrolled up ..looks like a HW problem alright	14:53
drs305	UnderSampled: I don't think it would, but I provided the info since it was mentioned.	14:53
oldude67	so far 9.10 isnt to bad just minor issues	14:53
UnderSampled	if it help any, I have http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157106 as my mother board	14:54
BluesKaj	UnderSampled, hmmm maybe upgrade to 8.10 first then to 9.04	14:55
oldude67	UnderSampled, you went from 8.04 straight to 9.04?	14:55
UnderSampled	no, it was 8.10	14:55
UnderSampled	well, my statement was true (8.04 works fine), but misleading. 8.10 works fine	14:56
UnderSampled	yes, it was a mistake	14:56
oldude67	well you could always try the 9.10 and see if it gives you the kernel panic as well.	14:58
BluesKaj	UnderSampled, did you try an internet upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04. Use apt or aptitude : sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade	15:02
UnderSampled	BluesKaj how would this be different?	15:10
UnderSampled	BluesKaj: yes, I used the official updater	15:11
UnderSampled	BluesKaj: however, both the live cd and the internet installer failed	15:11
UnderSampled	(in the same way)	15:11
BluesKaj	wow	15:12
BluesKaj	UnderSampled, dunno what to tell , it sound serious ...we need some heavyweights in here for help on this one	15:13
BluesKaj	!help	15:15
ubottu	Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)	15:15
BluesKaj	oops :)	15:15
eagles0513875	hehe BluesKaj	15:16
eagles0513875	BluesKaj: you try out grub2 on karmic yet	15:16
eagles0513875	UnderSampled: have you tried upgrading from jaunty to karmic	15:16
BluesKaj	well eagles0513875 , any suggestions ?	15:16
eagles0513875	for me what i did to get karmic installed was upgrade from jaunty and it worked	15:16
UnderSampled	eagles0513875: I wouldn't be able to. it doesn't get past boot	15:16
BluesKaj	yeah, i'm on grub2 , eagles0513875	15:16
eagles0513875	strange mine seems to be able to get booting BluesKaj	15:17
eagles0513875	UnderSampled: O_O	15:17
BluesKaj	methinks a HW problem	15:17
Pici	No, its a kernel issue. The kernel panics on boot.	15:17
UnderSampled	its a kernal panic due to hw incompatibility. these are fresh installs	15:18
BluesKaj	Pici, why tho, what's causing the prob if there's no kernel/HW conflict	15:18
Pici	BluesKaj: A 'HW problem' to me is a hardware defect.	15:19
eagles0513875	Pici: would the alternate installer have the same issue	15:19
Pici	eagles0513875: It probably would, but it wouldn't hurt to try.	15:20
BluesKaj	to me it's like UnderSampled says , incompatibility	15:20
eagles0513875	UnderSampled: give the alternate install a shot	15:20
eagles0513875	BluesKaj: first time you ran grub 2 did it take a while to boot	15:20
BluesKaj	hmm, don't recall eagles0513875	15:20
eagles0513875	took a while guessing finding stuff on my hdd but it eventually booted	15:21
eagles0513875	things are fine now like nothing happened	15:21
BluesKaj	eagles0513875, did you do , sudo update-grub ?	15:28
eagles0513875	ya i did it once i booted by default to run level 1 for some reason after booting into init 1 it seems to default constantly to init 1	15:29
SKB	hello	15:44
eagles0513875	hey SKB	15:44
UnderSampled	you guys can chew on this http://yfrog.com/5fdumpij	15:46
eagles0513875	?	15:50
eagles0513875	UnderSampled: what is	15:50
BluesKaj	UnderSampled, not me :)	15:51
UnderSampled	its a picture of my kernel panic	15:52
* BluesKaj waits for Pici or some other more knowledgeable ppl to analyse that message		15:53
eagles0513875	the kernel version currently in karmic is 2.6.31 which is normally a dev kernel	15:54
eagles0513875	UnderSampled: that doesnt look like a kernel panic	15:55
eagles0513875	UnderSampled: you might also want to try in ubuntu-kernel regard to ur issue they might be able to help ya better since its a kernel issue which u seem to be having	15:56
ryann	can anyone help troubleshoot this please? http://pastebin.com/d6169d6c9	16:20
ryann	it's not so much that i want that package, it's that this error appears regardless of the packages i upgrade or install via apt.	16:21
yofel	ryann: does the same happen when running 'dpkg --configure -a' ?	16:22
ryann	yofel, yes. http://pastebin.com/d7e66050d	16:23
BluesKaj	ryann, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock ,then , sudo dpkg --configure -a	16:25
ryann	hrm, no output from fuser, but same errors from dpkg. http://pastebin.com/d1333bf30	16:26
yofel	ryann: what does 'sudo /var/lib/dpkg/info/synaptic.postinst' give you?	16:27
ryann	just returns a new line	16:28
BluesKaj	ryann, maybe sudo aptitude purge synaptic , the try to reinstall it	16:28
ryann	no output	16:28
ryann	ugly	16:29
BluesKaj	reinstall ?	16:29
ryann	http://pastebin.com/d6c95e3e7	16:29
ryann	i'll try to reinstall now	16:30
ryann	dpkg: error processing synaptic (--configure):	16:30
ryann	subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 139	16:30
yofel	ryann: purge it with 'dpkg -P synaptic' then reinstall it with apt	16:31
ryann	http://pastebin.com/d76166297	16:32
BluesKaj	yofel, right , din't think of that ...should work	16:32
mvo	139 means segfault - could you enable apport to check if that catches what is crashing?	16:32
BluesKaj	mvo, dmesg \| tail ?	16:35
yofel	looking at the post* scripts it should be either scrollkeeper-update or update-menus	16:35
mvo	BluesKaj: yeah, that works as well :) apport gives the benefit of a crashfile though	16:36
BluesKaj	ok , not real familiar with apport , how does one use it ? just apport in the konsole ?	16:37
ryann	unfamiliar with apport, i've pasted the last few scroll-keeper lines from dmesg here http://pastebin.com/df0a5651	16:37
yofel	BluesKaj: enable it in /etc/default/apport and it should catch crashes by itself ;)	16:37
BluesKaj	yofel, thanks :)	16:38
BluesKaj	plasma keeps crashing here and I'm getting tired of it	16:39
yofel	ryann: enable apport in /etc/default/apport and then run '/etc/init.d/apport start' and then run dpkg again	16:40
ryann	i was just about to ask how to start apport	16:40
ryann	dpkg --configure -a runs without any output	16:42
ryann	apt-get install synaptic returns Segmentation fault (core dumped)	16:42
BluesKaj	yofel, will the enable stay as default in init.d/apport or do i have to link it to runlevels ?	16:43
yofel	BluesKaj: once it's enabled in /etc/default/apport it will stay enabled, S20apport is already in the default runlevel ;)	16:44
BluesKaj	yofel, cool :)	16:44
yofel	BluesKaj: afaik apport will be enabled by default once alpha3 is out	16:45
ryann	same issues with aptitude http://pastebin.com/d780b368a	16:45
yofel	ryann: do you have anything in /var/crash ?	16:45
ryann	yes, yes i do	16:47
yofel	ryann: didn't apport come up?	16:47
ryann	212K 2009-07-14 11:10 update-manager.0.crash and there is another from today for evolution-docu..-en	16:48
ryann	no front-end appeared after the seg fault, if that's what you're asking	16:48
yofel	ryann: run '/usr/share/apport/apport-gtk -c <crashfile>'	16:49
ryann	fantastic, apport-gtk is not installed	16:52
yofel	o.O	16:53
ryann	and it won't install since apt is crashing over this evolution crap	16:53
yofel	ok, then install apport, but first try to reinstall 'rarian-compat'	16:53
* gnomefreak doesnt get apt crashes		16:56
yofel	neither do I :P	16:56
ryann	package wasn't installed..	16:56
ryann	http://pastebin.com/d34ad0a69	16:56
BluesKaj	it doesn't help ryann tho	16:56
gnomefreak	BluesKaj: it will once we figure out why	16:59
UnderSampled	I tried the alternate install, but it went blanck with the blinking caps/scroll lock lights	16:59
yofel	ryann: did you upgrade from jaunty since you had scrollkeeper installed? It doesn't exist in karmic anymore	16:59
gnomefreak	ryann: sudo apt-get -f install no package name, just as i typed it	17:00
gnomefreak	ryann: see if it fixes evo doc problem	17:00
yofel	gnomefreak: the evo doc problem comes from scrollkeeper-update segfaulting	17:01
gnomefreak	yofel: i know	17:01
gnomefreak	yofel: it will remove scrollkeeper and install the other one (name excapes me)	17:01
gnomefreak	s/will/should	17:02
* gnomefreak thought it was demoted not removed		17:02
gnomefreak	nope it was removed	17:02
Sarvatt	JonDoe297: thats a gimp problem with XI2	17:06
Sarvatt	gnomefreak: i915 will never support opengl 2.1 in hardware regardless of the mesa version, its a hardware limitation...	17:10
gnomefreak	Sarvatt: 915 maybe not but im not up on my intel cards. i just know intel is working on it	17:11
Sarvatt	theres nothing to work on, the card itself doesnt support the features, only intel cards that do are 865+	17:11
Sarvatt	965+ sorry	17:11
* gnomefreak tried to stick to nvidia cards but that may change soon too since i want to use o3d		17:11
gnomefreak	s/tried/trys	17:12
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* gnomefreak lunch		17:12
eagles0513875	gnomefreak: i am on nvidia no problems wiht 3d rendering both on desktop cards as well as on laptop	17:13
gnomefreak	eagles0513875: 5200 has moved to legacy and is not updated to fixed in repos yet and o3d supports 6200+	17:14
eagles0513875	ahhh	17:14
eagles0513875	my laptop card is a go 6150 video card and nvidia chipset no problems with 3d there	17:14
eagles0513875	desktop is 8800	17:14
BluesKaj	gnomefreak, too bad ryann left : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7565042	17:16
ryann	..sorry about that	17:18
ryann	i really ought to know better than to troubleshoot on my own	17:18
BluesKaj	ryann, : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7565042	17:21
ryann	hm	17:22
ryann	i'm cautious to remove scroll-keeper	17:22
ryann	but ok	17:22
yofel	ryann: rarian-compat replaces scrollkeeper	17:22
soc1	hi, i'm experiencing problems with dpkg update ...	17:31
soc1	i didn't find any buf for it on launchpad	17:32
gnomefreak	Sarvatt: paste the output of command and output to pastebin.com	17:32
gnomefreak	oops	17:32
gnomefreak	soc1: that was for you	17:33
Sarvatt	what command?	17:33
Sarvatt	ah okie	17:33
gnomefreak	Sarvatt: sorry	17:33
Sarvatt	no worries :)	17:33
soc1	ok,mom	17:33
* gnomefreak thought i was a dad		17:34
soc1	pastebin.com/m2454e4be	17:35
protector1981	/msg nickserv identify janine1984	17:35
protector1981	AEWAHVdfsvn df	17:35
protector1981	v	17:35
protector1981	dfv	17:35
protector1981	adfv	17:35
protector1981	af	17:35
protector1981	vf	17:35
protector1981	dv	17:35
protector1981	df	17:35
protector1981	vdffv	17:35
protector1981	f	17:35
protector1981	v	17:35
protector1981	vSORRY	17:35
protector1981	DAMNIT	17:35
Tekno	thanks	17:35
protector1981	-.-	17:36
protector1981	why i can type /msg? oO	17:36
protector1981	+not	17:36
protector1981	empathy sucks	17:36
BluesKaj	protector1981, wrong textbox, use the server textbox	17:36
Tekno	;D	17:37
protector1981	ah ok	17:37
gnomefreak	soc1: ah ok that should be an easy fix if mvo gets time :)	17:37
protector1981	/msg Nickserv help	17:37
protector1981	Invalid command. Use /msg NickServ help for a command listing.	17:37
protector1981	wtf	17:37
gnomefreak	protector1981: lower case	17:37
gnomefreak	protector1981: /msg nickserv help	17:38
soc1	gnomefreak: do you know the cause?	17:38
protector1981	did it...have nickserv in query -.- :D	17:38
protector1981	now i must change my password :(	17:38
gnomefreak	soc1: i would think a link in debian/postinst but off hand no	17:38
gnomefreak	protector1981: help can nbe found in #ubuntufreenode	17:39
gnomefreak	s/nbe/be	17:39
gnomefreak	damnit	17:39
protector1981	ah done	17:39
protector1981	is changed :) thx for help	17:39
gnomefreak	protector1981: help can be found in #freenode	17:39
yofel	gnomefreak: upper/lowercase should make no difference, empathy broken?	17:39
protector1981	so....have gdm problem :(	17:40
soc1	gnomefreak: should i ping mvo about it?	17:40
gnomefreak	protector1981: most are fixed in ubuntu7 but not all	17:40
protector1981	http://protector.pastebin.com/m4a59698d	17:40
protector1981	thanks the error	17:40
gnomefreak	soc1: you just did but he may be gone	17:40
protector1981	have ubuntu7 installed	17:40
ryann	ok so removing scrollkeeper	17:41
gnomefreak	protector1981: i remember people seeing that before however not sure if fixed or not or what the issue was	17:41
protector1981	bugreport is posted, but nobody has replied :(	17:42
gnomefreak	yofel: it shouldnt but i dont know the client he is useing, never used it	17:42
ryann	yofel, http://pastebin.com/d931b107	17:42
gnomefreak	protector1981: than it hasnt been fixed i would guess	17:42
ryann	yayyyy	17:43
ryann	(i think)	17:43
protector1981	gnomefreak: :(	17:44
ryann	BluesKaj & yofel .. thank you	17:44
ryann	replacing scrollkeeper with rarian-compat seems to have resolved my apt issues	17:45
gnomefreak	protector1981: comment on it other than that just have to wait.	17:45
protector1981	yes...i can only wait...or dont using karmic ;)	17:46
ryann	anyone know anything about plasma-widget-network-manager?!.. version 0.1~svn951801-1 works, but anything newer (from the repositories) fails to work with wpa. there was a bug about this, which i thought was resolved.	17:47
BluesKaj	!info wicd \| ryann	17:49
ubottu	ryann: wicd (source: wicd): wired and wireless network manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.1-3 (karmic), package size 415 kB, installed size 2484 kB	17:49
gnomefreak	ryann: its known at least i hear it from eagles0513875	17:49
gnomefreak	s/known/broken	17:50
eagles0513875	ryann: i reported a bug it seems to have resurfaced again but wicd and gnome network manager work fine with wpa connections	17:50
eagles0513875	not sure what is being done about it	17:50
yofel	BluesKaj: last time I tried wicd here on gnome it didn't set andy DNS :(	17:50
yofel	s/andy/any	17:50
BluesKaj	ryann, the widget-network-manager is flaky and unstable . WPA is np on wicd	17:51
eagles0513875	yofel: you have to sent it in regards to dns or u can set dns in the resolv.conf	17:52
eagles0513875	im out for now	17:52
gnomefreak	eagles0513875: have fun	17:52
yofel	eagles0513875: yeah, but NM does that over dhcp	17:52
yofel	wicd not it seems	17:52
eagles0513875	installing wicd removes nm and the widget	17:53
eagles0513875	if im not mistaken	17:53
yofel	eagles0513875: it removes them	17:53
BluesKaj	wicd is a network manager	17:53
eagles0513875	yofel: under preferences you can set the ip of the dns servers	17:53
yofel	eagles0513875: that would defy the purpose of dhcp...	17:54
eagles0513875	ahhhhh wait i misunderstood	17:54
eagles0513875	yofel: im using dhcp for wifi and it works just fine here	17:54
yofel	with wicd /etc/resolv.conf is empty here :/	17:54
yofel	hm, well, then I guess I'll get my LAN cable and try wicd again :P	17:55
eagles0513875	yofel: BluesKaj is wicd expert lol	17:56
BluesKaj	eagles0513875, not an expert , it just works fore me both on wifi and ethernet	17:57
eagles0513875	ethernet no issues with the plasma widget	17:57
eagles0513875	only wifi	17:57
BluesKaj	well, i've seen som,e probs with ethernet on widget	17:58
eagles0513875	interesting	17:58
eagles0513875	im out	17:58
BluesKaj	wicd is much better on laptop wifi cards than the widget , more sensitive and stable	17:59
BluesKaj	my dumb neighbour, across the street is running an unsecured network ...I told him about it but he still hasn't done anything about it and I can piggyback on his network from my basement music room	18:01
yofel	BluesKaj: what do I need to tell wicd to set a DNS server over dhcp?	18:02
yofel	my /etc/resolv.conf is empty	18:03
yofel	the only dhcp client that's available in the settings dialog is dhclient	18:03
BluesKaj	yofel, dunno i don't run a dns server...I'm just using all the automatic settings	18:05
yofel	and why am I the only one in my neighbourhood that uses WPA o.O	18:06
BluesKaj	wep and unsecured ?	18:07
yofel	well, at least all wep	18:07
yofel	not that I count that as secured	18:07
BluesKaj	well, it's bit better than unsecured	18:07
BluesKaj	maybe 1minute better	18:07
yofel	hehe	18:07
yofel	and does Alt+F2 still work for anybody with gnome+compiz ?	18:11
BluesKaj	yofel, i just right click on a space on the desktop and choose the runbox from there	18:13
yofel	doh, could have thought of that myself -.-	18:14
BluesKaj	yofel, btw my /etc/resolve.conf has some info in it , domain gateway , search gateway and nameserver	18:14
yofel	hm, maybe I should restart... It still says that it was generated my networkmanager in there	18:15
BluesKaj	yeah , mine is "modified"	18:16
ryann	thanks eagles0513875 , BluesKaj	18:27
ryann	i will try wicd	18:27
ryann	oh i see they cannot co-exist?	18:28
ryann	network-manager and wicd?	18:28
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scriptx	interesting..	18:31
scriptx	does wicd-client start w/the system?	18:31
o_portista17	i have a problem for quite some time now, i can't use teamspeak because when i speak, the other people, can't hear me...but i can hear them, i've tried with pulseaudio, and alsa...what could be wrong? besides me ;x	18:32
BluesKaj	scriptx, yes wicd does , if installed of course...and it is a network manager on it's own	18:34
scriptx	sweet.	18:34
scriptx	i'll check it out at next reboot, but it's working now.	18:34
scriptx	can it work from console do you know?	18:34
scriptx	if i were to boot into single user mode or something, can i use the wicd daemon to connect to a saved (or new) wireless connection?	18:35
BluesKaj	yes	18:37
BluesKaj	scriptx, you may need to do a bit of wicd configging with the router/gateway in preferences	18:38
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ryann	awesome. thanks BluesKaj	18:39
BluesKaj	ryann, it's a great app	18:39
ryann	helpful when something breaks after a package upgrade	18:39
ryann	i actually like the plasma-widget.. but the new version is buggy and i can't rely on it	18:40
BluesKaj	dunno why the network management seems almost an afterthought application as a widget	18:41
ryann	do you use kde4 bk?	18:41
BluesKaj	the old knetworkmanager was more difficult to setup with ndiswarapper etc , but once done it was pretty stable	18:42
BluesKaj	yes ,kde 4.3	18:42
ryann	i used to just script wpa_supplicant from the terminal after having logged in	18:45
ryann	i was elated when kde4 introduced the network-management widget interface	18:45
BluesKaj	heh, too bad it's so flaky	18:49
BluesKaj	BBL ..stuff to do	18:53
yofel	hm, does ubuntu-vm-builder work for anybody?	19:03
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yofel	wtf? parted tells me that 'linux-swap' isn't a valid fs type o.O	19:44
yofel	reported as bug 399428	19:50
ubottu	Launchpad bug 399428 in parted "[karmic] parted can't create swap patitions in vm images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/399428	19:50
yofel	typo -.-	19:50
MrStein	Hi! Since I don't do much else than beta test 9.04, does it make sense to just install 9.10 and report issues there ? (for example suspend and hibernate do not work for me in 9.04)	20:20
reto`	MrStein: beta test 9.04?	20:21
MrStein	well, "final test"	20:21
MrStein	That is : not doing anything else but reporting bugs	20:21
reto`	MrStein: actually it might be better to test 9.10 and report bugs there	20:21
MrStein	I thought so	20:22
MrStein	do alpha update from one to next ? Over the regular update manager ?	20:22
MrStein	alpha=alpha releases	20:22
reto`	I think that might have a better impact on the next ubuntu to get your bugs fixed :)	20:22
reto`	MrStein: yeah... you can update to the alpha through the update manager and updates you'll get like that too	20:23
reto`	MrStein: see here > http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha2	20:25
reto`	actually you'll get regular updates it's not tied to a certain "alpha"	20:28
Pici	!final	20:30
ubottu	If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Karmic. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.	20:30
reto`	!beta	20:36
ubottu	If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Karmic. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.	20:36
MrStein	off to install alpha2	20:42
* Twigathy kicks udev - why don't you stop when told? [had to sudo kill it before the latest batch of updates would take...]		20:43
robin0800	MY BRAIN HURTS.	20:56
tbtroj	"update-manager -d" upgrades to a devel release. Is there something like Fedora's "rawhide" repository for Ubuntu? So you're always at Ubuntu +1?	21:03
billybigrig	anyone around?	21:05
yofel	billybigrig: pong	21:06
billybigrig	yofel: i can't seem to build nvidia modules in dkms	21:09
yofel	billybigrig: huh? got headers installed?	21:10
billybigrig	headers, source, and image	21:10
billybigrig	all from custom built kernel	21:10
yofel	got the error message?	21:10
billybigrig	diggin it up	21:11
yofel	sigh I can't view a changlog again	21:13
yofel	E: Couldn't fetch URL http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/u/udev/udev_145-1/changelog	21:13
tbtroj	To stay in the "devel release" stage, do I have to "update-manager -d" every time a new devel-release is available?	21:13
billybigrig	i think i had the wrong kernel name	21:15
billybigrig	cause its working nwo	21:15
billybigrig	nope	21:15
tbtroj	billybigrig, was that "nope" to me?	21:16
billybigrig	build fails	21:18
billybigrig	no to yofel	21:18
mvo	tbtroj: you have to do that every 6 month when the new devel release is opened	21:23
tbtroj	mvo, okay, thank you.	21:23
mvo	cheers	21:23
yofel	billybigrig: sry, was gone for a moment, you mean the auto dkms-build fails when installing the kernel?	21:24
yofel	you didn't do somthing like compiling nvidiafb into the kernel or something like that?	21:25
billybigrig	Error! DKMS tree does not contain: nvidia-2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger-07-14	21:25
yofel	err... you do the dkms build by hand?	21:26
billybigrig	yeah	21:27
yofel	the command for that would be 'dkms build -k <kernel-version> -m nvidia -v <nvidia-version>'	21:27
billybigrig	sudo /etc/init.d/dkms_autostart start 2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger-07-14 fails	21:27
billybigrig	Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger-07-14 (x86_64)	21:28
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billybigrig	this is from the make.log	21:29
billybigrig	* Unable to determine the target kernel version. *	21:29
billybigrig	make: *** [select_makefile] Error 1	21:29
billybigrig	sudo dkms build -k 2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger-07-14 -m nvidia -v 185.18.14	21:29
billybigrig	after that command	21:29
billybigrig	and i can tab complete the kernel version, module, and mod version	21:30
yofel	hm wait, that sounds familiar, now what was the reason for that again...	21:31
Sarvatt	hmm that sounds like the problem with kernel-package 11.015 that i had to upgrade to 11.017 to fix	21:34
billybigrig	Sarvatt: got my compile time down to 42 min :P	21:35
billybigrig	but now i cant use it :P	21:35
Sarvatt	i think it has something to do with your kernel versioning	21:35
yofel	hm, iirc when I compiled a kernel once I put it in some odd foldername in /usr/src that had nothing to do with the version number, and I think that's when I got that	21:37
yofel	but that was quite a while ago so I don't remember it clearly	21:38
Sarvatt	why dont you try calling it billybigrigger0714 or something instead of adding the extra dashes and dots to the different versions?	21:39
billybigrig	not dots	21:40
billybigrig	just billybigrigger-07-14	21:40
billybigrig	ok i could do that i guess	21:40
Sarvatt	(you had dots in a previous one is why i said that)	21:42
billybigrig	oh ya	21:43
billybigrig	ok ill try it out	21:43
MrStein1	memtest86 does not react to ESC, is that known ? the other keys (c,space, numbers) work.	21:44
Sarvatt	make-kpkg is really touchy about those things, i dont know whats happening but i've always had to limit myself to just one thing after -	21:45
* MrStein1 booted the alpha2 x86 cd		21:45
Sarvatt	on append-to-version, dont get me started how many times i've screwed up things messing with debian= in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf	21:46
MrStein1	argh, launchpad is soo slow again ....	21:47
yofel	anybody an idea when the changelogs get synced?	21:48
yofel	E: Couldn't fetch URL http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/u/udev/udev_145-1/changelog	21:48
yofel	or does somebody else know why vol_id vanished from udev?	21:49
yofel	hi billybigrig	21:54
yofel	err... let's try again	21:54
yofel	hi BUGabundo	21:54
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billybigrig	hah	21:54
BUGabundo	heyyyy	21:55
BUGabundo	new disk!! 1,5TiBs	21:55
billybigrig	nice	21:55
BUGabundo	I wonder what I should put it on	21:55
BUGabundo	ext2 or ext4	21:56
billybigrig	ext4	21:56
BUGabundo	taking pictures of the setup too, on my new Revoltec case	21:56
yofel	what reason is there to use ext2?	21:56
BUGabundo	hey akgraner	21:56
BUGabundo	its just a disk to use externally for LOTS of backups	21:56
BUGabundo	so ext2 _should be_ as fast as ext4	21:57
BUGabundo	just not sure I need the jornaling to keep my data safe	21:57
Sarvatt	that was ages ago wasnt it yofel?	21:57
BUGabundo	also, not sure the win driver for ext works with ext4	21:57
yofel	BUGabundo: use journal-less ext4 if you have kernel >=2.6.29	21:57
BUGabundo	if not, I won't access it on the wind PC	21:57
BUGabundo	yofel: _31	21:57
billybigrig	BUGabundo: i didn't take you for the windows type of guy	21:58
billybigrig	:(	21:58
yofel	BUGabundo: then use ext4 without journal if you don't want one, but the overhead really isn't that big.	21:58
BUGabundo	billybigrig old pc. 512 mb of ram. hibernates in 6 sec, resumes in less then 10	21:59
BUGabundo	can't do that on Linux :((	21:59
yofel	BUGabundo: you might not have an ssd but this article from ted ts'o is still relevant if you want to know about journal overhead	22:00
yofel	BUGabundo: http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/03/01/ssds-journaling-and-noatimerelatime/	22:00
BUGabundo	no time to read it ehhe	22:01
BUGabundo	want to do FRESH install tonigh	22:01
BUGabundo	woot single partition on ext4 with swap on file	22:01
BUGabundo	YAH	22:01
yofel	err, no separate root and home?	22:02
BUGabundo	NOPE	22:03
BUGabundo	you don't need that since hardy	22:03
BUGabundo	the installer can erase system files, keeping userland safe	22:03
BUGabundo	and then putting new files on disk	22:03
BUGabundo	Error while creating partition table.	22:04
BUGabundo	well its starting nicelly	22:04
BUGabundo	lol	22:04
eagles0513875	haha	22:04
eagles0513875	install jaunty and upgrade to karmic	22:04
yofel	BUGabundo: what did you use?	22:04
eagles0513875	i have been hearing alot of people having installation issues of cd and what not	22:04
BUGabundo	Jul 14 22:04:44 blubug kernel: [ 1712.414294] ata4: limiting SATA link speed to 1.5 Gbps	22:04
BUGabundo	Jul 14 22:04:44 blubug kernel: [ 1712.414299] ata4: hard resetting link	22:04
BUGabundo	errr	22:04
BUGabundo	yofel: gparted	22:04
yofel	ok, thats bad...	22:05
BUGabundo	either the disk is faulty or the case doesn't like it, on e-sata	22:05
Sarvatt	did you leave the sata 1.5 jumper enabled on the drive by any chance? :D	22:05
yofel	didn't have that since one of my drives just thought it would shut down while I'm working on it *-.-	22:05
* BUGabundo checks connections		22:05
yofel	and it had NTFS to boot	22:06
BUGabundo	Sarvatt: didn't touch it! can that be it ?	22:06
yofel	so I had to boot windows to get the fs fixed -.-	22:06
syn-ack	hi guys	22:06
BUGabundo	Sarvatt: no jumper on the disk	22:06
yofel	syn-ack: hi	22:06
BUGabundo	hey syn-ack. long time no see	22:06
yofel	BUGabundo: what's the rest of the ata error?	22:06
syn-ack	BUGabundo: Its only been like half a day or so. :P	22:07
syn-ack	BUGabundo: Got a bunch of IRL stuff going on... Funerals and such so yeah	22:07
BUGabundo	I think this is a power prob. I don't listen to the disk spin up :((	22:08
eagles0513875	yofel: you might wanna try the widget again seems like there is an update for dhcp3	22:08
eagles0513875	BUGabundo: whats ur psu rated at	22:08
yofel	eagles0513875: actually a reboot fixed it	22:08
syn-ack	Question is the UbuntuOne going to help me with trying to get the app working on karmic if I go in there and bug them?	22:08
syn-ack	OR	22:08
eagles0513875	im noticing alot of rebooting as well as fsck in init 1 fixes alot of stuff	22:09
syn-ack	Will they say "juanty only?"	22:09
syn-ack	if not, I'll download all the source and shit and fix it on my own, I was just curious if you guys had any idea	22:10
BUGabundo	ok disk is now spining, plugged e-sata	22:11
BUGabundo	logs look ok	22:11
BUGabundo	restarting gparted	22:11
yofel	syn-ack: I'm running u1 here on karmic, what's your problem?	22:11
billybigrig	BUGabundo: what kinda drive?	22:11
syn-ack	yofel: it doesnt seem to install. At all.	22:11
syn-ack	I saw the bug about hitting install twice, did that and it still doesnt show up in my menus	22:12
syn-ack	yofel: Whats the actual executable of it called?	22:12
yofel	syn-ack: what version do you try to install? mine is: 0.90.3+r77-0ubuntu1~ppa1~karmic	22:12
BUGabundo	http://paste.ubuntu.com/218313/	22:12
BUGabundo	billybigrig seagate sata 7200rps 32m cache 1,5TB (base 10)	22:12
BUGabundo	eagles0513875: psu !?	22:12
eagles0513875	ya	22:12
BUGabundo	syn-ack: U1 works on Karmic	22:12
syn-ack	hrm	22:13
billybigrig	BUGabundo: you have it in 3.0gbps mode now?	22:13
BUGabundo	not sure	22:14
BUGabundo	Jul 14 22:11:30 blubug kernel: [ 2118.232066] ata4: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)	22:14
billybigrig	check your bios?	22:14
BUGabundo	Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table	22:14
BUGabundo	Disk /dev/sdb: 1500.3 GB, 1500301910016 bytes	22:14
syn-ack	yofel: what is the name of the executable?	22:14
yofel	syn-ack: ubuntuone-client-applet	22:15
syn-ack	yofel: I dont have it... let me check the repos....	22:15
yofel	syn-ack: what does 'apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client' tell you?	22:17
syn-ack	Installed: 0.90.3-0ubuntu1	22:18
BUGabundo	syn-ack: ask on #ubuntu-one	22:18
BUGabundo	but you need TWO packages	22:18
BUGabundo	the client and client-gnome	22:18
syn-ack	BUGabundo: Yeah, Im discovering that now	22:18
syn-ack	thanks for the help	22:18
billybigrig	how much storage does u1 give you?	22:19
billybigrig	maybe i should try it out	22:19
BUGabundo	2G free	22:19
BUGabundo	wanna an invite?	22:19
BUGabundo	I must be the person to have sent more invites LOL	22:19
billybigrig	sure	22:19
BUGabundo	about 200	22:19
syn-ack	Thats what the problem was. I had the client but not the gnome tools	22:19
BUGabundo	billybigrig PVT your email	22:19
BUGabundo	but you will have to wait for me to finish this	22:19
syn-ack	BUGabundo: Thanks for the invite then. :D	22:19
syn-ack	you probably approved me this morning	22:20
BUGabundo	syn-ack: ahah you were one of them?	22:20
BUGabundo	nope. not me	22:20
syn-ack	meskes@gmail	22:20
syn-ack	BUGabundo: aye	22:20
BUGabundo	I don't approve anything	22:20
syn-ack	aha! workie workie	22:21
BUGabundo	this is takinggggg toooo longggggg	22:21
BUGabundo	xfs is soooo much faster creating volumes	22:21
syn-ack	BUGabundo: than?	22:22
* yofel wants btrfs with transparent compression :/		22:22
BUGabundo	syn-ack: then what?	22:22
syn-ack	BUGabundo: Faster than what at creating volumes?	22:22
BUGabundo	then I'll need to rsync /etc /home exclude .crypt (on encfs	22:23
BUGabundo	syn-ack: xfs is much faster then ext	22:23
yofel	well, ext[234] do take ages to write those inode tables...	22:23
syn-ack	Aha.	22:23
syn-ack	BUGabundo: I used to use XFS exclusivly till ext4 came along and I thought I'd give it a try	22:23
Sarvatt	oh man, you use dm-crypt too?! you just like using everything possible just because its there to break things dont you BUGabundo? :D	22:24
yofel	well, now that e4defrag seems to get usable I prefer it over XFS	22:24
SwedeMike	I prefer tried and tested filesystems... like xfs.	22:25
BUGabundo	yreah me too	22:26
BUGabundo	this laptop is / ext3 10GBs	22:26
BUGabundo	and home on XFS	22:26
BUGabundo	no prob on xfs_check 300GiBs ULTRA FAST	22:26
BUGabundo	Sarvatt: nope. I use encfs! been using it since gutsy	22:26
BUGabundo	then it broke and I (temporarly) lost access to all my data	22:26
BUGabundo	had to boot old livecd to decrypt and encrypt on new format :(	22:26
BUGabundo	SwedeMike: xfs suffers from most probs ext4 suffers	22:26
BUGabundo	on what it depends on the time to write to disk	22:26
BUGabundo	even worse, since ext4 is beeing activly patched and xfs only gets _some_ backports latter on	22:27
SwedeMike	at least the code has long time exposure to real life.	22:27
BUGabundo	I wonder if colin did any progress on swap on file	22:27
BUGabundo	I'll be testing it till the end of the devel cycle	22:27
BUGabundo	so I HOPE it works, or I'm leaft without swap	22:28
BUGabundo	let me go nag him	22:28
MrStein	The timezone selection in installer is still scheisse. Worth reporting ? I believe this was reported 1 or 2 releases ago.... :-(	22:30
Sarvatt	i've been using a swap file since jaunty with no problems (but i have no use for hibernation)	22:30
BUGabundo	Sarvatt: but I do	22:30
BUGabundo	MrStein: yeah I did a VB install today with daily, and my time zone was 1h ahead :(	22:31
syn-ack	heh	22:31
syn-ack	I barely have a swap	22:31
BUGabundo	I have 8GiBs of it	22:32
syn-ack	On a notebook?	22:32
BUGabundo	4G of RAM	22:33
BUGabundo	so 2x that	22:33
yofel	why that?	22:34
billybigrig	the 2x ram for swap is not needed anymore BUGabundo	22:34
syn-ack	thats the golden rule	22:34
billybigrig	that's old school, where systems only had 512mb - 1gb of ram	22:34
BUGabundo	BUAAA	22:34
syn-ack	yeah?	22:34
billybigrig	8 gb of swap is wayyyyy tooo much :P	22:34
yofel	I have 4GiB RAM on my notebook too with 4,5GiB swap for when I use hibernate sometimes	22:34
yofel	but more is just waste of disk space	22:34
syn-ack	leave BUGabundo alone, he's hardcore. :p	22:35
BUGabundo	cjwaton says he has no idea on how swap on file is right now or if it works :((	22:35
BUGabundo	billybigrig care to let me know how to put 4G or FULL RAM into disk?	22:35
syn-ack	the only reason I only have 100 megs instead of 1 gig is that I forgot a zero. :p	22:35
BUGabundo	try to use my email client	22:35
BUGabundo	and see it SUCK 1G or ram	22:35
BUGabundo	and another for pidgin	22:35
yofel	the only things that eat up ram here are ffx kvm and gnome-do(memleak)	22:36
BUGabundo	http://paste.ubuntu.com/218330/ gparted log woot	22:37
yofel	at least suspend and hibernate actually work on my thinkpad now with karmic, and I've been using ubuntu on it since gutsy	22:37
BUGabundo	no mem leak for me up until now	22:38
BUGabundo	the only one I know of is a µblog purple plugin for pidin	22:38
BUGabundo	Sarvatt: can you test hibernate right now?	22:38
yofel	BUGabundo: I once found gnome-do using 1.6g RES - that's a memleak for me	22:39
BUGabundo	maybe a bad plygin?	22:39
BUGabundo	try to remove them and enable one at a time	22:39
BUGabundo	I don't so it can be some plugin you have and I don't	22:39
BUGabundo	or 32 vs 64 bits	22:40
BUGabundo	/dev/sdb1 1 182401 1465136001 83 Linux	22:40
BUGabundo	now the rsync	22:40
yofel	well, I'll try that and report the results tomorrow I guess	22:41
BUGabundo	rsync -vrhP --stats	22:41
BUGabundo	tomorrow will be a bit to late for me	22:41
BUGabundo	ahah	22:41
BUGabundo	sent 56.01M bytes received 48.06K bytes 3.62M bytes/sec	22:42
yofel	BUGabundo: it's not like gnome-do reaches 1g ram usage within minutes :P	22:42
BUGabundo	gotta love rsync	22:42
BUGabundo	23571 bugabund 122m 23m 381m 20 0 S 0.5 3.1 0:58.69 /usr/bin/cli /usr/lib/gnome-do/Do.exe	22:43
BUGabundo	what's yours?	22:43
BUGabundo	how do I exclude a path from rsycn? I don't want to rsync my .crypt dir	22:44
yofel	23019 yofel 20 0 564m 271m 23m S 0 6.8 0:19.85 gnome-do	22:44
Sarvatt	hmm	22:45
Sarvatt	invoke-rc.d: initscript bluetooth, action "stop" failed.	22:45
Sarvatt	dpkg: warning: old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1	22:45
Sarvatt	dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...	22:45
Sarvatt	invoke-rc.d: initscript bluetooth, action "stop" failed.	22:45
BUGabundo	Sarvatt: ahaah	22:45
BUGabundo	(nautilus:501): Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Unable to connect to the running instance, aborting.	22:47
BUGabundo	can't open nautilus with sudo	22:48
BUGabundo	haah	22:48
Sarvatt	why you trying to open nautilus with sudo?	22:49
Sarvatt	hmm works here	22:50
MrStein	On what is the keyboard layout suggestion in installation step 3 based ?	22:50
BUGabundo	Sarvatt: worse: as root	22:52
MrStein	Jesus, there is a bug on every page of the installer.... :-p	22:52
BUGabundo	ah?	22:52
MrStein	step 3 : the world map is too small to make accurate selection, especiall in dense areas, like Europe	22:53
MrStein	step 4: is suggests USA kbd layout, even if other layout is used in the country selected in step 3	22:54
MrStein	step 5 : there is a warning icon (triangle with exclamation sign), but no explanation, what it is warning about	22:54
MrStein	(I did not reach step 6 yet)	22:54
billybigrig	BUGabundo: did you send me an invite to u1?	22:55
yofel	wasn't the keyboard preselect based on what language you choosed when booting the live image?	22:55
BUGabundo	darn... can't make rsync exclude	22:55
BUGabundo	billybigrig not yet	22:55
billybigrig	roger	22:55
billybigrig	BUGabundo: no worries	22:55
BUGabundo	doing it now	22:56
billybigrig	dont worry	22:56
billybigrig	is u1 installed via ppa or what?	22:56
BUGabundo	will I try to figure why --exclude=/home/bugabundo/.crypt doesn't work :(	22:56
BUGabundo	yes	22:56
BUGabundo	both aways	22:56
yofel	don't remember which page it was, but I don't quite get why ubiquity whows 2 partition graphs on the partitioning page	22:57
BUGabundo	either PPA ( best way to get karmic one )	22:57
BUGabundo	ot their site, with apt-url and you get jaunty one	22:57
yofel	s/whows/shows	22:57
BUGabundo	that works the same	22:57
BUGabundo	billybigrig sent! welcome to the cloud	22:58
billybigrig	BUGabundo: thanks :P	22:58
BUGabundo	come on! all this ppl here at least one KNOWS how to exclude from rsync	22:59
billybigrig	linux-headers-2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714_2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb	23:05
billybigrig	linux-image-2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714_2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb	23:06
billybigrig	linux-source-2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714_2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714-10.00.Custom_all.deb	23:06
billybigrig	Sarvatt: thats what i get	23:06
billybigrig	why does it appened -billybigrigger0714 twice?	23:06
catharcyst	ubuntu karmic keeps rejecting my pasword when i run update manager	23:07
catharcyst	so i can't update using the gui	23:07
yofel	catharcyst: when did you last install updates?	23:07
catharcyst	yesterday i believe yofel	23:08
BUGabundo	catharcyst: known bug	23:09
yofel	there was some breakage in libgksu yesterday iirc, so check if you get an update for libgksu in terminal	23:09
catharcyst	ok will do thanks yofel	23:10
BUGabundo	catharcyst: and remember your mirror may still be behind main	23:11
catharcyst	apparently i dont have libgksu	23:11
BUGabundo	so check your sources and versions available	23:11
catharcyst	k BUGabundo	23:11
BUGabundo	with apt-cache policy libgksu	23:11
catharcyst	k	23:11
billybigrig	stupd dkms	23:12
billybigrig	i still can't build that nvidia module	23:12
billybigrig	same error	23:12
catharcyst	not available	23:12
yofel	catharcyst: libgksu2-0	23:13
catharcyst	k	23:13
catharcyst	yofel that fixed it	23:16
catharcyst	thanks a lot	23:16
Q-FUNK	about bug #399482 the real issue is that prerm doesn't have any case/esac loop to catch dpkg commands (upgrade\|failed-upgrade, etc.)	23:17
ubottu	Launchpad bug 399482 in bluez "bluez: upgrade from 4.45-0ubuntu1 to 4.45-0ubuntu2 fails" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/399482	23:17
BUGabundo	eheh	23:18
BUGabundo	glad I haven't done todays updates	23:18
BUGabundo	hehe	23:18
Q-FUNK	:)	23:18
Q-FUNK	it indeed seems to have been a messy one	23:18
catharcyst	hehe	23:18
Q-FUNK	nothing major, but somewhat hasty packaging, for some packages	23:19
=== catharcyst is now known as seeds
BUGabundo	Q-FUNK: and I know you did it	23:19
syn-ack	speaking of which	23:20
* syn-ack downloads the dailies		23:20
syn-ack	from yesterday. heh	23:21
BUGabundo	I just do my rsyncs from daily images	23:22
BUGabundo	usually I get 100-150MiBs	23:22
Q-FUNK	BUGabundo: :D	23:23
Q-FUNK	nah, but I've been quite busy with 'ubuntu-bug'	23:24
BUGabundo	yeah I would love to have the time for it	23:24
Q-FUNK	here, it's just that I have one host running karmic, mostly because I need to anticipate for possible showstoppers that would break support for Geode-based hardware	23:26
BUGabundo	I know	23:26
BUGabundo	that's a good thing	23:26
BUGabundo	if everyone tested their prob early many would be in good state on release	23:26
BUGabundo	or not..... we would be overworked	23:27
Q-FUNK	I just happen to catch unreleated issues whenever 'upgrade-system' drags in broken packages, at which point I go 'ubuntu-bug' trigger happy. ;)	23:27
Q-FUNK	testing early is easy enough. the difficulty is testing, only to find that whatever package you reported against has been rebased with a newer release. then, often, people are simply asked to try the new one, instead of anyone bothering with the initial bug report.	23:29
MrStein	alpha2 does not boot on my PC, thanks good, otherwise I would be testing it til the morning (it is midnight here) :-)	23:33
billybigrig	BUGabundo: get your webcam working yeT?	23:33
syn-ack	alright, upload the rebuild of bluez already. :P	23:33
BUGabundo	nope	23:33
BUGabundo	miss match with gspca	23:34
Q-FUNK	syn-ack: funny you mention that one. filed two bugs against it today :)	23:34
syn-ack	aye, I saw 'em. :P	23:34
BUGabundo	I give you guys a single change to guess what's taking longer on my rsync to a new disk ! ahah	23:36
BUGabundo	no one will get it	23:36
Q-FUNK	disk writes?	23:41
syn-ack	Q-FUNK: I was expecting the bluez bug since I knew about it going into it, its the bugs that I dont know about that worry me. :P	23:43
billybigrig	anyone have any good suggestions for hosting bootcharts? like a decent front end php script or something similar?	23:46
BUGabundo	er?	23:46
BUGabundo	I just upload my png to my zenphoto galery on my server	23:47
BUGabundo	you can even use dropbox to share it	23:47
BUGabundo	eheh	23:47
billybigrig	i got nothing on my server	23:47
billybigrig	plain jane apache	23:47
billybigrig	zenphoto gallery, maybe ill check that out	23:47
syn-ack	How long does it take the updated package take to actually propagate through the update system before its available for download from the repo network?	23:49
syn-ack	I'd assume its a matter of hours, no?	23:49
BUGabundo	or less	23:49
BUGabundo	depends on the package and load on the builders	23:50
syn-ack	ah	23:50
syn-ack	w00t. Uncle Milty's on Little House	23:51
* syn-ack loves Uncle Milty. One of the best actors of all time...		23:51

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