[00:23] hi, I noticed a strange issue and was wondering whether anyone else has noticed... When I open synaptic and it asks for the root password it keeps telling me that the password is wrong when its not... I know that for a fact, whats stranger is that when I open an application with the sudo command and enter the password it works [00:24] is it actually asking for root or sudo? [00:24] those are two different things [00:25] though, root would be odd [00:26] whats the proper command line way to upgrade from jaunty to karmic [00:26] qixcom: do you have all updates installed? I remember some talk about a gksu bug that was fixed a few hours ago [00:26] Well I just upgraded a few hours ago so it might have updated when I was upgrading [00:27] just installing firefox3.5 and empathy(thank god for the terminal) :) [00:27] qixcom: check update-manager for updates on libgksu [00:27] or apt-get if update-manager won't work ;) [00:28] bcurtiswx: why do you want to update per cli? [00:28] s/update/upgrade [00:29] When is firefox supposed to get proper branding? [00:30] yofei: just wondering.. i know of the update-manager -d, but last time i tried that when it installed the new GDM it restarted my session and i think parts of the install got screwed up [00:30] yofel: ^^ [00:30] bcurtiswx - I just performed an update-manager -d a few hours ago and gdm works :) [00:31] bcurtiswx: oh, *that* bug is fixed now if that's what's holding you back, other than that I only know about editing sources.lst and upgrade with apt-get dist-upgrade or better with aptitude [00:31] qixcom, cool.. this could be a system specific problem [00:31] yofel: ok thx [00:31] bcurtiswx - doubtful, I would assume the bug would be related to the greeter [00:32] the fault was a broken postinst script that restarted gdm during the update -> *bad* idea ;) [00:32] actually, was kinda warm and fuzzy inside when I saw that ubuntu made the switch to the new gdm [00:32] yofel - ouch [00:33] yofel - any idea whether the new greater is in development yet? [00:33] qixcom: what do you mean? The message that says something about simple-greeter settings not saved? [00:34] yofel - no, I had a convo with macslow quite some time ago about the facebrowser and the requirements for it.. apparently the greater needs some work post migration to the new gdm [00:34] so we are at least half way there [00:35] :) [00:36] no idea abou that, *I* want a new gdmsetup fast, fiddling around with gconf is annoying :P [00:38] yofel - I was surprised when I found out there was still no new gdmsetup considering how long its been on fedora [00:46] hi folks... [00:46] anyone here knows ubuntu's debian-installer deeply ? [00:47] How can I enable ati binary drivers if they are not showing up in the restricted drivers [00:48] moloch: what card do you have? [00:48] mobile x200m. I can use the prop ati in mepis [00:49] I just installed ubuntu for the first time today [00:49] moloch: which ubuntu version? [00:49] 9.04 [00:50] Could it be because I installed it through wubi? [00:50] moloch: this is the support channel for ubuntu 9.10 karmic koala. ubuntu 9.04 support is in #ubuntu [00:50] oh, sorry. [00:51] np [02:26] grr, damn "memblock.c: pool full" spam... then PA dies. [02:27] And then QuodLibet spams notify-osd with track-change notifications... which notify-osd then takes its sweet old time in showing, one...............at......................a.....................time..................like.....................this. [02:29] hey, so i can't load the 2.6.30-2 kernel [02:29] it stays at "starting up" [02:30] ugh, and ntfs-3g really sucks, too... nowhere else does copying SATA->SATA go at a measly 12 megabytes per second. [02:30] damnit, why does pulseaudio keep dying? [02:31] anyone know of anyone else having my problem? [02:40] www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/pulse.log [02:42] Argh! [02:42] What is up with that? [02:53] That's the first major issue I've had with PulseAudio in quite a while. [02:54] your lucky...it gives me fits everyday...hates my sound card [02:56] cannot install nvidea 180 graphics drivers any way to do thiss through the terminal? [02:59] Bezow, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 [02:59] ty [03:02] * DanaG needs-eth help-eth. [03:02] =þ [03:06] has anyone had any luck at fixing the gdm issue? [03:06] which one? :P [03:06] "the gdm issue"? [03:07] yeah about a week ago i did a stupid partial update and it hasnt worked right since. [03:07] whats wrong? [03:07] no matter how i try to change it from kdm it defaults right back to it. [03:08] when booting it says in an error window to configure it manually and i have done that several times. [03:09] ya ya, thats fixed [03:09] at least its coming [03:09] oh ok..so its not just me? [03:09] no, its being held back for me right now [03:09] it'll come [03:09] k [03:09] be patient :P [03:10] COnfigure it manually? whaddaya mean, configure it manually? [03:10] oh i just thought maybe i wasnt doing something right or something stupid [03:10] "Reopen windows manually" you mean? [03:10] sorry, the wording you used was a bit odd. =þ [03:10] no it says gdm has to be configured manually and defaults back to kdm [03:10] * DanaG hopes rebooting will fix the damned audio. [03:10] i said it right [03:10] Ah, different issue than I have, then. [03:11] yeah [03:11] oh, maybe something different then what im thinking too [03:11] audio working fine for now....fixed alsa [03:11] but in any case, search launchpad for a bug, and if you find it subscribe to it [03:11] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.30-rc8/ how do I add that PPA to my software sources? [03:11] or make a new one [03:11] and wait for a fix :P [03:12] i just did a alsa reload and mine came back..but i have rebooted since then too. [03:13] im just on a play machine so im just testing things so i can see if they are going to break before i put them to use on the main machine..lol [03:22] ah, rebooting fixed my audio. [03:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/268506 [03:22] Ubuntu bug 268506 in linux "Cannot configure Synaptics TouchStyk settings (e.g. sensitivity, tapping, press/select)" [Undecided,New] [03:25] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.30-rc8/ how do I add that PPA to my software sources? [03:55] you probably need the apt key [04:01] or not [04:21] hmm, I'm curious when we'll see a 2.6.31-3-generic (i.e. RC3). [04:21] I need some of the fixes that are in git right now. =þ [04:25] like [04:25] ? [04:25] most like wlan :> [04:25] Like, fixing hp-wmi rfkill. [04:26] =þ [04:26] i built todays daily kernel from kernel.org and it fixed my network manager problem of not auto-connecting my wired connection on gnome login [04:26] but not my webcam like i wanted [04:28] stupid gspca [04:36] http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.31-rc3 [04:36] ah, so when'll we see an ubuntu one? [04:39] DanaG, I'd guess a few days. [04:39] No rush :) [04:43] hah, it was released... tomorrow? [04:43] http://kernel.org/ [04:43] ah, 2009-07-14 01:28 UTC [04:43] I'm at -8 hours. [05:31] hah, stupid update-manager... says package info was last upgraded 10 days ago. [05:31] It's wrong. [05:31] In fact, I ran package upgrades about one HOUR ago,. [05:32] 10 days, my ass. [05:32] =þ [05:49] Anyone noticed anything strange with the system load [05:49] I have processes eating 90% cpu, the laptop feels sluggish but my load is mestiriously 0.00 === johnf1 is now known as johnf [07:45] well, I now get a segmentation fault in aptitude, I'm not how I'm suppose to remedy this without the ability to make updates === ripps_ is now known as ripps [07:45] ripps: if there is an update that fixes this issue you can install it with dpkg [07:49] kklimonda: how do I figure out what updates are available? [08:24] hello everyone [08:25] nhasian: hello :) [08:25] JonDoe297, how's karmic treating you these days? [08:26] well, everything is OK, but I have encountered with some mysterious GIMP freeze yesterday [08:26] hmm i dont use gimp much except to resize photos ^_^ [08:27] I can't use it - after opening image, and trying to do something with instrument on it, X freezes [08:27] let me see if i can duplicate the issue. [08:27] I think you will not have this issue [08:27] if i can use the crop tool on the picture, will that be enough? [08:27] yes, try crop tool [08:29] i did not have any freezes so i guess thats a good thing :) [08:29] just as I said :) [08:29] I think that's because I'm using Sarvatt's PPA for Xorg Testing (https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/xorg-testing) [08:29] did you see if there were any similar bugs? or file a bug yourself? [08:30] ah that could make a difference... [08:30] I've found some bugreports on red hat's bugzilla [08:31] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505823 - like this, for example [08:31] bugzilla.redhat.com bug 505823 in xorg-x11-server "xserver crash with gimp" [Medium,Closed: duplicate] [08:31] there were some suggestions, like trying to disable "vnc" module in xorg.conf file [08:31] I tried that, but no luck :( [08:52] Hey, my aptitude and apt-get get segmentation faults, How am I suppose to update anything without them. I suppose I can still use dpkg, but I don't where and what to install to fix this. [08:53] <[[MindVirus]]> ripps, do you know why they segfault? [08:54] <[[MindVirus]]> Oh, this is Karmic's channel. Nevermind, I can't help. [08:54] <|ns|nR8> sudo apt-get clean [08:55] <|ns|nR8> rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin [08:56] <|ns|nR8> then id try change sources and apt update [09:11] |ns|nR8: removing the *.bin did the trick. thanks [09:15] <|ns|nR8> no worries [09:34] http://tinyurl.com/nkypfa [10:01] hi folks. would you recommend karmic for daily work for someone beeing linux user for more than 10 years? so i'm expecting _some_ bugs but need a system which is stable enough to work with ;-) [10:01] I run karmic, have since the repository went online [10:02] I think it depends what kind of software are you running [10:02] my home desktop runs only openbox and on top of it rxvt-unicode and firefox so the combination is pretty solid, not too many moving parts that might broke [10:04] hifi: i wanna run kde 4.3 ;-) never touched kde before (except for some tests ;-)). but 4.3 seems to rock ;-) [10:06] ctp: what features are new in kde that are cool? [10:08] umask001: i began coding qt. the widget framework is really cool. i need a vis widget for mesh networks which i'll code on 4.3 [10:09] umask001: qt seems to make coder's life easier. [10:11] I don't understand why KDE/GNOME are not joining forces to create a new GUI. It doesn't help much to have two "competing" major window managers. Linux would be advancing much faster like that. [10:12] reto`: because KDE and GNOME has different views at Usability [10:13] kklimonda: hmm... what are those differences? [10:13] it's strange.. I used windowmaker for years. Switched to Gnome because it was somewhat like CDE which I was using at work. I liked CDE because it was unobtrusive (even though it was ugly as hell). I've always disliked KDE, but now it's much more like CDE than Gnome ever was [10:16] reto`: franky speaking, I don't remember as I don't follow the issue. [10:16] reto`: also the other important factor is a GTK+ vs. QT debate. [10:16] reto`: linux is a basaar. it's good that it offers 3-4 big desktop environments, dozens of window managers, 10 web servers, 6 smtp servers, cvs/svn/git/mercurial, dozens mailers etc. it's hard enough to manage kde with maybe hundred developers ;-) [10:18] ctp: why is it good wrt desktop environments (and ui toolkits)? [10:18] reto`: what's important is to share the underlying usability approaches. but that's not sharing code but concepts [10:19] ctp: I agree that it's good we have a few different web servers, a ton of vcs software etc.. [10:19] but imo having two DE and two (ok, even more) competing toolkits isn't the best situation. [10:20] qt and gtk are going completely different ways. kde e.g. is portable enough for win32 and qtopia apps but it's heavy weight [10:21] thats like asking two artists to paint your picture, then telling one of them to put their brush down after a few minutes. Nothing can be done that won't offend one side or the other, so they both compete and they both share when it benifits them [10:22] ctp: do they? I was always thinking that both qt and glib/gtk has similar goals (and only gtk is a bit behind..) [10:22] kklimonda: did you ever see gtk on a mobile device? [10:23] ;-) [10:23] * ctp is away for 10 minutes [10:23] ctp: but afair gtk devs were targetting mobile devices too.. [10:37] Has anyone installed from nightlies recently? I'm wondering if they're decent right now. [10:39] cge: I did so last week [10:39] No major failures? [10:39] nothing massive so far, but I'm quite used to running unstable debian-ish distros [10:40] I used to run unstable+experimental [10:40] I was primarily concerned that there might be a major problem with the nightly itself; I've had times when I've downloaded them and haven't had them work at all, which can be annoying. === Wajih is now known as MaWaLe [12:58] is it possible to install the newest 2.8 intel drivers on my kubuntu? [13:00] bushwakko: use https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates (stable) or https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa (unstable/experimental) [13:00] bushwakko: useing upstream drivers im sure but atm the drivers in karmic dont support opengl2.0 or 2.1 dont remember. AFAIK the xorg-edgers PPA does, but i had issues reverting back to standard x packages after using it. [13:01] ati has same lack of support as well atm [13:01] ok [13:03] its the mesa 7.6 packages you need for opengl 2.1 [13:03] PPA has them [13:04] sorry we were talking about this 20 or so minutes ago and had to look at the logs [13:04] I have an intel 915 btw, whats the status for those compared to the regular karmic I now have? [13:04] intel 910GL actually [13:04] 1 sec let me see i know ati is 3-6 months [13:05] bushwakko: not sure about that chipset [13:06] the PPA might have it fixed but that is a might. noone i know uses that chipset === mac_vr is now known as macvre [13:08] it's not that there is something wrong with the ones i|m using now though, would be fun to see if there is a speed upgrade or something ;) === mac_vr is now known as macvre [13:10] * gnomefreak couldnt tell you :) we were only talking about this because of o3d support ") [13:10] :) === macvr is now known as mac_v === mac_v is now known as mac_V === mac_V is now known as mac_v_ === mac_v_ is now known as mac_V_ === mac_V_ is now known as mac_v === mac_v is now known as mac__v === mac__v is now known as mac_v [13:39] Experience with xmms2 + equalizer plugin? If so, is the equalizer helping much, or just barely? [13:41] Hi, do some of you know how to redirect the *current* standard output to a file in bash? [13:41] or, better, in /bin/sh which is dash I think=? [13:42] Hiyas all [13:42] I have to debug the new firefox 3.5 script seems broken [13:42] Le-Chuck_ITA: define broken [13:42] gnomefreak: thunderbird launches it correctly, but the firefox window does not appear [13:43] if I put "date >> /tmp/file" at points in the script I see it's run [13:43] it is runned [13:43] whatever :) [13:43] Le-Chuck_ITA: ok what script? is this one you wrote? [13:43] no it's the ubuntu /usr/lib/firefox-3.5/firefox.sh script [13:43] if only I could see its output [13:44] hmm [13:44] Le-Chuck_ITA: hold on a second [13:44] perhaps launching it from another script [13:44] * BluesKaj dumped FF in favour of chromium-browser [13:44] BluesKaj: too in love with firefox :) [13:45] Le-Chuck_ITA: something like command 2>&1 | tee log.txt sorry in middle of something but what do you mean? ff doesnt launch for you without linking? [13:46] Le-Chuck_ITA: did you set it as default in preffered apps menu? [13:46] Le-Chuck_ITA, I was too but it began to be slow and cumbersome ...now that chrome has flash and java working , I'm in , so to speak [13:46] gnomefreak: firefox does not open, and I can't see the output but now I wrote a script to redirect the output [13:46] BluesKaj: will try chrome [13:46] gnomefreak: yes I did [13:46] gnomefreak: it worked two days ago [13:46] it does not work right now [13:46] Le-Chuck_ITA: daily builds? [13:46] I am using karmic so I'd like to eventually report any bug in shell scripts [13:46] no no [13:46] karmic :) [13:46] Le-Chuck_ITA: we havent updated ff-3.5 in last few days [13:47] btw does anybody know how to get the close buttons on tabs back? [13:47] well outside of daily [13:47] or at least a close button on the right [13:47] Le-Chuck_ITA: disable ubufox [13:47] aha [13:47] great [13:47] Le-Chuck_ITA: that should fix it all [13:47] but dont remember if asac pushed new ubufox [13:47] ill ask him to make sure [13:49] Le-Chuck_ITA: join us in #ubuntu-mozillateam if you like [13:49] gnomefreak: thanks. I am now trying to run my custom script [13:49] now the firefox window appears [13:49] but without the right page in it :) [13:50] Le-Chuck_ITA: what version of ubufox do you have? [13:53] how do i install karmic with wubi [13:53] not possible afaik [13:54] via any supported way [13:54] are you talking to me? [13:54] yes [13:54] i hope so [13:54] !who [13:54] As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :) [13:55] rski: are you sure there is no way is there a beta wubi i can get? [13:55] !tab [13:55] You can use for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line. [13:56] flasbang73, not until karmic is official [13:56] BluesKaj: so is there a way i can manualy do what wubi does? [13:58] flasbang73, you have no option in wubi, as far as I know, to choose an alpha or beta (k)ubuntu release [13:58] the latest is jaunty [13:58] BluesKaj: i tried to just upgrade from my wubi 9.04 install but it just messed up my mbr [13:59] BluesKaj: what if i make it skip the md5 sum check and change the file name to the 9.04 one [13:59] flasbang73, it would . Do you know how to edit grub ? [13:59] BluesKaj: no i don't [14:00] BluesKaj: im new to ubuntu and i really like it but i don't want to do a full blown install [14:01] flasbang73, I run jaunty in wubi on my laptop and karmic on my desktop ...there's not a lot of difference , believe me. [14:01] do you know what's the standard way to clean the environment in a bash script? [14:02] flasbang73, then leave karmic alone ...it's only in it's development phase [14:02] BluesKaj: so it's mostly just a gnome differance [14:02] BluesKaj: well upgrade [14:02] clean your environment [14:03] save the pelikans [14:03] flasbang73, dunno.I run kde (kubuntu) [14:04] BluesKaj: ok well thank you anyway [14:04] Le-Chuck_ITA: unset `env | cut -d= -f1` [14:04] flasbang73, I recommenf you stivk with jaunty for now [14:04] BluesKaj: just a random question can you use compiz in kde [14:04] erryes [14:04] umask001: that's the standard way ?!? [14:05] scripting is a strange world :) [14:05] umask001: is it the same as env -i? [14:05] Le-Chuck_ITA: no idea what the standard way is.. I've never really thought about doing it before. I know some programs like sudo do it as a security measure but I don't know how they go about it [14:06] thanks [14:08] Le-Chuck_ITA: hrmm.. env -i might be new or something. That looks more appropriate [14:08] umask001: a pity it doesn't do anything [14:08] :) [14:09] Le-Chuck_ITA: It seems to. If you run "env -i sh" it'll start a new shell with no environment variables. So it's a one-off command [14:11] yes but i need it to work "inside" the shell script [14:11] it's karmic's firefox-3.5 startup script [14:11] if ran from thunderbird it inherits too many "MOZILLA-*" variables and it does not work [14:12] Le-Chuck_ITA: try changing the #! line at the top to say "#!/usr/bin/env -i /bin/sh" [14:14] umask001: nope [14:15] I am discouraged :) [14:15] will retry tomorrow [14:16] i have a dell m1530 now i have 3 jacks which support 5.1 channel. the problem is i cant get kubuntu to work with it please help me [14:18] dhq do you have a 5.1 test file [14:18] dhq: and, did you try using mplayer to play it [14:18] Le-Chuck_ITA: i dont get the option for surround or anything [14:18] it doesnt detect the jack [14:19] dhq: hmm, I don't know where that option should be, but the gnome mixer in my 5.1 system shows 6 sliders [14:19] I don't have any "surround" option thoug [14:19] h [14:19] dhq: how many volume sliders in the gnome mixer? [14:19] Le-Chuck_ITA: i am using kubuntu karmic kola [14:19] dhq: I suppose the kde mixer applet should be similar [14:20] do you have just two sliders for the master volume? === [[MindVirus]] is now known as [MindVirus] [14:20] master,pcm, headphone, headphone2 these are the sliders i have [14:20] Le-Chuck_ITA: ^^ [14:20] dhq: but master is stereo [14:21] Le-Chuck_ITA: i have no idea [14:21] dhq: you can see two sliders in the master [14:21] no just a single one [14:21] dhq try alsamixer from the command line? [14:22] alsamixer will show you all the controllers in any case [14:22] you navigate with arrow keys and use spacebar to toggle buttons [14:23] dhq: from what I read around, yes you are supposed to have a surround switch but it is not visible by default in the gnome mixer, one needs to use the mixer preferences to enable it, perhaps it's the same in kde [14:23] Le-Chuck_ITA: no surround and the alsa mixer and kmix are the same [14:24] < Master > Headphon Headphon PCM Front Mi IEC958 IEC958 D IEC958 P Digital PC Beep [14:25] dhq: out of ideas :( [14:26] Le-Chuck_ITA: damn i need my 5.1 [14:26] :( [14:26] dhq at worst report a bug, did you google it hard? [14:26] dhq: did it work in jaunty? [14:26] Le-Chuck_ITA: i tried so manythings but no luck [14:26] Le-Chuck_ITA: yes it worked in janunty [14:33] Le-Chuck_ITA: thanks for your help though [14:33] dhq: if it worked in jaunty it's certainly a bug [14:33] report it, mark it as regression-potential [14:34] i dont know how [14:34] and try to get it triaged by somebody if you really need it :) [14:34] dhq: it's easy, but you need to subscribe to launchpad [14:34] dhq: point is that you need to do it in first person because you'll need to cooperate with developers when they will ask you to gather some debug info [14:34] dhq: but try [14:34] modinfo -p YOUR_CARD_MODULE [14:34] dhq: which you have to guess from lsmd [14:34] lsmod [14:35] dhq: all of the above in a root shell [14:35] hmm ok [14:36] dhq: modinfo -p will show your driver's options [14:36] maybe surround has been disabled by default for some reason [14:37] dhq: in the end you could try the kernel development irc channel [14:37] for ubuntu [14:37] but I don't remember the name, anybody??? [14:37] wasn't it #ubuntu-kernel? [14:38] yes [14:38] it is [14:38] dhq try to ask in that channel, good luck :) [14:38] dhq: mention it's a regression [14:39] i will thats alot [14:41] :( [14:42] UnderSampled, what types of problems are you having? [14:42] kernel error [14:42] which kernel are you using? [14:43] oldude67: default 9.04 [14:43] and whats the error? [14:43] it breaks as it starts, even from the live cd [14:43] WARNING at /build/builddd/linux-2.6.28/kernal/smo.c:333 smo_function_mask+0x1d4/0x1e0() [14:44] well you can try the 9.10 and see if it will help..what type of machine is it going on? [14:44] oldude67: desktop with a pentium 4 [14:44] thats odd what video card are you using? [14:45] nvidia geforce 7600 gs [14:46] have you tried the alternative cd? [14:47] I have not, but I have tried the internet install from unetbootin, and also just installing 8.10 with an immidiate upgrade to 9.04 [14:48] 8.04 works fine [14:49] UnderSampled: FYI, I am running 9.04 with a 7600 GS with no problems. [14:49] UnderSampled, I have the nvidia geforce 7600GT, which is very similar , so yours should work without a hitch with the nividia-glx-180 driver [14:50] UnderSampled: ver 180 hardware driver [14:50] hes getting a kernel panick [14:50] panic ugh cant type today..not awake yet [14:50] how does this have anything to do with the video card? it displays the boot sequence just fine. its the boot itself ;) [14:53] right ..sorry i should have scrolled up ..looks like a HW problem alright [14:53] UnderSampled: I don't think it would, but I provided the info since it was mentioned. [14:53] so far 9.10 isnt to bad just minor issues [14:54] if it help any, I have http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157106 as my mother board [14:55] UnderSampled, hmmm maybe upgrade to 8.10 first then to 9.04 [14:55] UnderSampled, you went from 8.04 straight to 9.04? [14:55] no, it was 8.10 [14:56] well, my statement was true (8.04 works fine), but misleading. 8.10 works fine [14:56] yes, it was a mistake [14:58] well you could always try the 9.10 and see if it gives you the kernel panic as well. [15:02] UnderSampled, did you try an internet upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04. Use apt or aptitude : sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade [15:10] BluesKaj how would this be different? [15:11] BluesKaj: yes, I used the official updater [15:11] BluesKaj: however, both the live cd and the internet installer failed [15:11] (in the same way) [15:12] wow [15:13] UnderSampled, dunno what to tell , it sound serious ...we need some heavyweights in here for help on this one [15:15] !help [15:15] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [15:15] oops :) [15:16] hehe BluesKaj [15:16] BluesKaj: you try out grub2 on karmic yet [15:16] UnderSampled: have you tried upgrading from jaunty to karmic [15:16] well eagles0513875 , any suggestions ? [15:16] for me what i did to get karmic installed was upgrade from jaunty and it worked [15:16] eagles0513875: I wouldn't be able to. it doesn't get past boot [15:16] yeah, i'm on grub2 , eagles0513875 [15:17] strange mine seems to be able to get booting BluesKaj [15:17] UnderSampled: O_O [15:17] methinks a HW problem [15:17] No, its a kernel issue. The kernel panics on boot. [15:18] its a kernal panic due to hw incompatibility. these are fresh installs [15:18] Pici, why tho, what's causing the prob if there's no kernel/HW conflict [15:19] BluesKaj: A 'HW problem' to me is a hardware defect. [15:19] Pici: would the alternate installer have the same issue [15:20] eagles0513875: It probably would, but it wouldn't hurt to try. [15:20] to me it's like UnderSampled says , incompatibility [15:20] UnderSampled: give the alternate install a shot [15:20] BluesKaj: first time you ran grub 2 did it take a while to boot [15:20] hmm, don't recall eagles0513875 [15:21] took a while guessing finding stuff on my hdd but it eventually booted [15:21] things are fine now like nothing happened [15:28] eagles0513875, did you do , sudo update-grub ? [15:29] ya i did it once i booted by default to run level 1 for some reason after booting into init 1 it seems to default constantly to init 1 [15:44] hello [15:44] hey SKB [15:46] you guys can chew on this http://yfrog.com/5fdumpij [15:50] ? [15:50] UnderSampled: what is [15:51] UnderSampled, not me :) [15:52] its a picture of my kernel panic [15:53] * BluesKaj waits for Pici or some other more knowledgeable ppl to analyse that message [15:54] the kernel version currently in karmic is 2.6.31 which is normally a dev kernel [15:55] UnderSampled: that doesnt look like a kernel panic [15:56] UnderSampled: you might also want to try in ubuntu-kernel regard to ur issue they might be able to help ya better since its a kernel issue which u seem to be having [16:20] can anyone help troubleshoot this please? http://pastebin.com/d6169d6c9 [16:21] it's not so much that i want that package, it's that this error appears regardless of the packages i upgrade or install via apt. [16:22] ryann: does the same happen when running 'dpkg --configure -a' ? [16:23] yofel, yes. http://pastebin.com/d7e66050d [16:25] ryann, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock ,then , sudo dpkg --configure -a [16:26] hrm, no output from fuser, but same errors from dpkg. http://pastebin.com/d1333bf30 [16:27] ryann: what does 'sudo /var/lib/dpkg/info/synaptic.postinst' give you? [16:28] just returns a new line [16:28] ryann, maybe sudo aptitude purge synaptic , the try to reinstall it [16:28] no output [16:29] ugly [16:29] reinstall ? [16:29] http://pastebin.com/d6c95e3e7 [16:30] i'll try to reinstall now [16:30] dpkg: error processing synaptic (--configure): [16:30] subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 139 [16:31] ryann: purge it with 'dpkg -P synaptic' then reinstall it with apt [16:32] http://pastebin.com/d76166297 [16:32] yofel, right , din't think of that ...should work [16:32] 139 means segfault - could you enable apport to check if that catches what is crashing? [16:35] mvo, dmesg | tail ? [16:35] looking at the post* scripts it should be either scrollkeeper-update or update-menus [16:36] BluesKaj: yeah, that works as well :) apport gives the benefit of a crashfile though [16:37] ok , not real familiar with apport , how does one use it ? just apport in the konsole ? [16:37] unfamiliar with apport, i've pasted the last few scroll-keeper lines from dmesg here http://pastebin.com/df0a5651 [16:37] BluesKaj: enable it in /etc/default/apport and it should catch crashes by itself ;) [16:38] yofel, thanks :) [16:39] plasma keeps crashing here and I'm getting tired of it [16:40] ryann: enable apport in /etc/default/apport and then run '/etc/init.d/apport start' and then run dpkg again [16:40] i was just about to ask how to start apport [16:42] dpkg --configure -a runs without any output [16:42] apt-get install synaptic returns Segmentation fault (core dumped) [16:43] yofel, will the enable stay as default in init.d/apport or do i have to link it to runlevels ? [16:44] BluesKaj: once it's enabled in /etc/default/apport it will stay enabled, S20apport is already in the default runlevel ;) [16:44] yofel, cool :) [16:45] BluesKaj: afaik apport will be enabled by default once alpha3 is out [16:45] same issues with aptitude http://pastebin.com/d780b368a [16:45] ryann: do you have anything in /var/crash ? [16:47] yes, yes i do [16:47] ryann: didn't apport come up? [16:48] 212K 2009-07-14 11:10 update-manager.0.crash and there is another from today for evolution-docu..-en [16:48] no front-end appeared after the seg fault, if that's what you're asking [16:49] ryann: run '/usr/share/apport/apport-gtk -c ' [16:52] fantastic, apport-gtk is not installed [16:53] o.O [16:53] and it won't install since apt is crashing over this evolution crap [16:53] ok, then install apport, but first try to reinstall 'rarian-compat' [16:56] * gnomefreak doesnt get apt crashes [16:56] neither do I :P [16:56] package wasn't installed.. [16:56] http://pastebin.com/d34ad0a69 [16:56] it doesn't help ryann tho [16:59] BluesKaj: it will once we figure out why [16:59] I tried the alternate install, but it went blanck with the blinking caps/scroll lock lights [16:59] ryann: did you upgrade from jaunty since you had scrollkeeper installed? It doesn't exist in karmic anymore [17:00] ryann: sudo apt-get -f install no package name, just as i typed it [17:00] ryann: see if it fixes evo doc problem [17:01] gnomefreak: the evo doc problem comes from scrollkeeper-update segfaulting [17:01] yofel: i know [17:01] yofel: it will remove scrollkeeper and install the other one (name excapes me) [17:02] s/will/should [17:02] * gnomefreak thought it was demoted not removed [17:02] nope it was removed [17:06] JonDoe297: thats a gimp problem with XI2 [17:10] gnomefreak: i915 will never support opengl 2.1 in hardware regardless of the mesa version, its a hardware limitation... [17:11] Sarvatt: 915 maybe not but im not up on my intel cards. i just know intel is working on it [17:11] theres nothing to work on, the card itself doesnt support the features, only intel cards that do are 865+ [17:11] 965+ sorry [17:11] * gnomefreak tried to stick to nvidia cards but that may change soon too since i want to use o3d [17:12] s/tried/trys === macvr is now known as mac_v [17:12] * gnomefreak lunch [17:13] gnomefreak: i am on nvidia no problems wiht 3d rendering both on desktop cards as well as on laptop [17:14] eagles0513875: 5200 has moved to legacy and is not updated to fixed in repos yet and o3d supports 6200+ [17:14] ahhh [17:14] my laptop card is a go 6150 video card and nvidia chipset no problems with 3d there [17:14] desktop is 8800 [17:16] gnomefreak, too bad ryann left : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7565042 [17:18] ..sorry about that [17:18] i really ought to know better than to troubleshoot on my own [17:21] ryann, : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7565042 [17:22] hm [17:22] i'm cautious to remove scroll-keeper [17:22] but ok [17:22] ryann: rarian-compat replaces scrollkeeper [17:31] hi, i'm experiencing problems with dpkg update ... [17:32] i didn't find any buf for it on launchpad [17:32] Sarvatt: paste the output of command and output to pastebin.com [17:32] oops [17:33] soc1: that was for you [17:33] what command? [17:33] ah okie [17:33] Sarvatt: sorry [17:33] no worries :) [17:33] ok,mom [17:34] * gnomefreak thought i was a dad [17:35] pastebin.com/m2454e4be [17:35] /msg nickserv identify janine1984 [17:35] AEWAHVdfsvn df [17:35] v [17:35] dfv [17:35] adfv [17:35] af [17:35] vf [17:35] dv [17:35] df [17:35] vdffv [17:35] f [17:35] v [17:35] vSORRY [17:35] DAMNIT [17:35] thanks [17:36] -.- [17:36] why i can type /msg? oO [17:36] +not [17:36] empathy sucks [17:36] protector1981, wrong textbox, use the server textbox [17:37] ;D [17:37] ah ok [17:37] soc1: ah ok that should be an easy fix if mvo gets time :) [17:37] /msg Nickserv help [17:37] Invalid command. Use /msg NickServ help for a command listing. [17:37] wtf [17:37] protector1981: lower case [17:38] protector1981: /msg nickserv help [17:38] gnomefreak: do you know the cause? [17:38] did it...have nickserv in query -.- :D [17:38] now i must change my password :( [17:38] soc1: i would think a link in debian/postinst but off hand no [17:39] protector1981: help can nbe found in #ubuntufreenode [17:39] s/nbe/be [17:39] damnit [17:39] ah done [17:39] is changed :) thx for help [17:39] protector1981: help can be found in #freenode [17:39] gnomefreak: upper/lowercase should make no difference, empathy broken? [17:40] so....have gdm problem :( [17:40] gnomefreak: should i ping mvo about it? [17:40] protector1981: most are fixed in ubuntu7 but not all [17:40] http://protector.pastebin.com/m4a59698d [17:40] thanks the error [17:40] soc1: you just did but he may be gone [17:40] have ubuntu7 installed [17:41] ok so removing scrollkeeper [17:41] protector1981: i remember people seeing that before however not sure if fixed or not or what the issue was [17:42] bugreport is posted, but nobody has replied :( [17:42] yofel: it shouldnt but i dont know the client he is useing, never used it [17:42] yofel, http://pastebin.com/d931b107 [17:42] protector1981: than it hasnt been fixed i would guess [17:43] yayyyy [17:43] (i think) [17:44] gnomefreak: :( [17:44] BluesKaj & yofel .. thank you [17:45] replacing scrollkeeper with rarian-compat seems to have resolved my apt issues [17:45] protector1981: comment on it other than that just have to wait. [17:46] yes...i can only wait...or dont using karmic ;) [17:47] anyone know anything about plasma-widget-network-manager?!.. version 0.1~svn951801-1 works, but anything newer (from the repositories) fails to work with wpa. there was a bug about this, which i thought was resolved. [17:49] !info wicd | ryann [17:49] ryann: wicd (source: wicd): wired and wireless network manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.1-3 (karmic), package size 415 kB, installed size 2484 kB [17:49] ryann: its known at least i hear it from eagles0513875 [17:50] s/known/broken [17:50] ryann: i reported a bug it seems to have resurfaced again but wicd and gnome network manager work fine with wpa connections [17:50] not sure what is being done about it [17:50] BluesKaj: last time I tried wicd here on gnome it didn't set andy DNS :( [17:50] s/andy/any [17:51] ryann, the widget-network-manager is flaky and unstable . WPA is np on wicd [17:52] yofel: you have to sent it in regards to dns or u can set dns in the resolv.conf [17:52] im out for now [17:52] eagles0513875: have fun [17:52] eagles0513875: yeah, but NM does that over dhcp [17:52] wicd not it seems [17:53] installing wicd removes nm and the widget [17:53] if im not mistaken [17:53] eagles0513875: it removes them [17:53] wicd is a network manager [17:53] yofel: under preferences you can set the ip of the dns servers [17:54] eagles0513875: that would defy the purpose of dhcp... [17:54] ahhhhh wait i misunderstood [17:54] yofel: im using dhcp for wifi and it works just fine here [17:54] with wicd /etc/resolv.conf is empty here :/ [17:55] hm, well, then I guess I'll get my LAN cable and try wicd again :P [17:56] yofel: BluesKaj is wicd expert lol [17:57] eagles0513875, not an expert , it just works fore me both on wifi and ethernet [17:57] ethernet no issues with the plasma widget [17:57] only wifi [17:58] well, i've seen som,e probs with ethernet on widget [17:58] interesting [17:58] im out [17:59] wicd is much better on laptop wifi cards than the widget , more sensitive and stable [18:01] my dumb neighbour, across the street is running an unsecured network ...I told him about it but he still hasn't done anything about it and I can piggyback on his network from my basement music room [18:02] BluesKaj: what do I need to tell wicd to set a DNS server over dhcp? [18:03] my /etc/resolv.conf is empty [18:03] the only dhcp client that's available in the settings dialog is dhclient [18:05] yofel, dunno i don't run a dns server...I'm just using all the automatic settings [18:06] and why am I the only one in my neighbourhood that uses WPA o.O [18:07] wep and unsecured ? [18:07] well, at least all wep [18:07] not that I count that as secured [18:07] well, it's bit better than unsecured [18:07] maybe 1minute better [18:07] hehe [18:11] and does Alt+F2 still work for anybody with gnome+compiz ? [18:13] yofel, i just right click on a space on the desktop and choose the runbox from there [18:14] doh, could have thought of that myself -.- [18:14] yofel, btw my /etc/resolve.conf has some info in it , domain gateway , search gateway and nameserver [18:15] hm, maybe I should restart... It still says that it was generated my networkmanager in there [18:16] yeah , mine is "modified" [18:27] thanks eagles0513875 , BluesKaj [18:27] i will try wicd [18:28] oh i see they cannot co-exist? [18:28] network-manager and wicd? === iPoRn is now known as o_portista17 [18:31] interesting.. [18:31] does wicd-client start w/the system? [18:32] i have a problem for quite some time now, i can't use teamspeak because when i speak, the other people, can't hear me...but i can hear them, i've tried with pulseaudio, and alsa...what could be wrong? besides me ;x [18:34] scriptx, yes wicd does , if installed of course...and it is a network manager on it's own [18:34] sweet. [18:34] i'll check it out at next reboot, but it's working now. [18:34] can it work from console do you know? [18:35] if i were to boot into single user mode or something, can i use the wicd daemon to connect to a saved (or new) wireless connection? [18:37] yes [18:38] scriptx, you may need to do a bit of wicd configging with the router/gateway in preferences === scriptx is now known as ryann [18:39] awesome. thanks BluesKaj [18:39] ryann, it's a great app [18:39] helpful when something breaks after a package upgrade [18:40] i actually like the plasma-widget.. but the new version is buggy and i can't rely on it [18:41] dunno why the network management seems almost an afterthought application as a widget [18:41] do you use kde4 bk? [18:42] the old knetworkmanager was more difficult to setup with ndiswarapper etc , but once done it was pretty stable [18:42] yes ,kde 4.3 [18:45] i used to just script wpa_supplicant from the terminal after having logged in [18:45] i was elated when kde4 introduced the network-management widget interface [18:49] heh, too bad it's so flaky [18:53] BBL ..stuff to do [19:03] hm, does ubuntu-vm-builder work for anybody? === iPoRn is now known as o_portista17 [19:44] wtf? parted tells me that 'linux-swap' isn't a valid fs type o.O [19:50] reported as bug 399428 [19:50] Launchpad bug 399428 in parted "[karmic] parted can't create swap patitions in vm images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/399428 [19:50] typo -.- [20:20] Hi! Since I don't do much else than beta test 9.04, does it make sense to just install 9.10 and report issues there ? (for example suspend and hibernate do not work for me in 9.04) [20:21] MrStein: beta test 9.04? [20:21] well, "final test" [20:21] That is : not doing anything else but reporting bugs [20:21] MrStein: actually it might be better to test 9.10 and report bugs there [20:22] I thought so [20:22] do alpha update from one to next ? Over the regular update manager ? [20:22] alpha=alpha releases [20:22] I think that might have a better impact on the next ubuntu to get your bugs fixed :) [20:23] MrStein: yeah... you can update to the alpha through the update manager and updates you'll get like that too [20:25] MrStein: see here > http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha2 [20:28] actually you'll get regular updates it's not tied to a certain "alpha" [20:30] !final [20:30] If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Karmic. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console. [20:36] !beta [20:36] If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Karmic. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console. [20:42] off to install alpha2 [20:43] * Twigathy kicks udev - why don't you stop when told? [had to sudo kill it before the latest batch of updates would take...] [20:56] MY BRAIN HURTS. [21:03] "update-manager -d" upgrades to a devel release. Is there something like Fedora's "rawhide" repository for Ubuntu? So you're always at Ubuntu +1? [21:05] anyone around? [21:06] billybigrig: pong [21:09] yofel: i can't seem to build nvidia modules in dkms [21:10] billybigrig: huh? got headers installed? [21:10] headers, source, and image [21:10] all from custom built kernel [21:10] got the error message? [21:11] diggin it up [21:13] *sigh* I can't view a changlog *again* [21:13] E: Couldn't fetch URL http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/u/udev/udev_145-1/changelog [21:13] To stay in the "devel release" stage, do I have to "update-manager -d" every time a new devel-release is available? [21:15] i think i had the wrong kernel name [21:15] cause its working nwo [21:15] nope [21:16] billybigrig, was that "nope" to me? [21:18] build fails [21:18] no to yofel [21:23] tbtroj: you have to do that every 6 month when the new devel release is opened [21:23] mvo, okay, thank you. [21:23] cheers [21:24] billybigrig: sry, was gone for a moment, you mean the auto dkms-build fails when installing the kernel? [21:25] you didn't do somthing like compiling nvidiafb into the kernel or something like that? [21:25] Error! DKMS tree does not contain: nvidia-2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger-07-14 [21:26] err... you do the dkms build by hand? [21:27] yeah [21:27] the command for that would be 'dkms build -k -m nvidia -v ' [21:27] sudo /etc/init.d/dkms_autostart start 2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger-07-14 fails [21:28] Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger-07-14 (x86_64) === WelshDragon is now known as YDdraigGoch [21:29] this is from the make.log [21:29] *** Unable to determine the target kernel version. *** [21:29] make: *** [select_makefile] Error 1 [21:29] sudo dkms build -k 2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger-07-14 -m nvidia -v 185.18.14 [21:29] after that command [21:30] and i can tab complete the kernel version, module, and mod version [21:31] hm wait, that sounds familiar, now what was the reason for that again... [21:34] hmm that sounds like the problem with kernel-package 11.015 that i had to upgrade to 11.017 to fix [21:35] Sarvatt: got my compile time down to 42 min :P [21:35] but now i cant use it :P [21:35] i think it has something to do with your kernel versioning [21:37] hm, iirc when I compiled a kernel once I put it in some odd foldername in /usr/src that had nothing to do with the version number, and I think that's when I got that [21:38] but that was quite a while ago so I don't remember it clearly [21:39] why dont you try calling it billybigrigger0714 or something instead of adding the extra dashes and dots to the different versions? [21:40] not dots [21:40] just billybigrigger-07-14 [21:40] ok i could do that i guess [21:42] (you had dots in a previous one is why i said that) [21:43] oh ya [21:43] ok ill try it out [21:44] memtest86 does not react to ESC, is that known ? the other keys (c,space, numbers) work. [21:45] make-kpkg is really touchy about those things, i dont know whats happening but i've always had to limit myself to just one thing after - [21:45] * MrStein1 booted the alpha2 x86 cd [21:46] on append-to-version, dont get me started how many times i've screwed up things messing with debian= in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf [21:47] argh, launchpad is soo slow again .... [21:48] anybody an idea when the changelogs get synced? [21:48] E: Couldn't fetch URL http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/u/udev/udev_145-1/changelog [21:49] or does somebody else know why vol_id vanished from udev? [21:54] hi billybigrig [21:54] err... let's try again [21:54] hi BUGabundo === oldude67 is now known as oldude [21:54] hah [21:55] heyyyy [21:55] new disk!! 1,5TiBs [21:55] nice [21:55] I wonder what I should put it on [21:56] ext2 or ext4 [21:56] ext4 [21:56] taking pictures of the setup too, on my new Revoltec case [21:56] what reason is there to use ext2? [21:56] hey akgraner [21:56] its just a disk to use externally for LOTS of backups [21:57] so ext2 _should be_ as fast as ext4 [21:57] just not sure I need the jornaling to keep my data safe [21:57] that was ages ago wasnt it yofel? [21:57] also, not sure the win driver for ext works with ext4 [21:57] BUGabundo: use journal-less ext4 if you have kernel >=2.6.29 [21:57] if not, I won't access it on the wind PC [21:57] yofel: _31 [21:58] BUGabundo: i didn't take you for the windows type of guy [21:58] :( [21:58] BUGabundo: then use ext4 without journal if you don't want one, but the overhead really isn't that big. [21:59] billybigrig old pc. 512 mb of ram. hibernates in 6 sec, resumes in less then 10 [21:59] can't do that on Linux :(( [22:00] BUGabundo: you might not have an ssd but this article from ted ts'o is still relevant if you want to know about journal overhead [22:00] BUGabundo: http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/03/01/ssds-journaling-and-noatimerelatime/ [22:01] no time to read it ehhe [22:01] want to do FRESH install tonigh [22:01] woot single partition on ext4 with swap on file [22:01] YAH [22:02] err, no separate root and home? [22:03] NOPE [22:03] you don't need that since hardy [22:03] the installer can erase system files, keeping userland safe [22:03] and then putting new files on disk [22:04] Error while creating partition table. [22:04] well its starting nicelly [22:04] lol [22:04] haha [22:04] install jaunty and upgrade to karmic [22:04] BUGabundo: what did you use? [22:04] i have been hearing alot of people having installation issues of cd and what not [22:04] Jul 14 22:04:44 blubug kernel: [ 1712.414294] ata4: limiting SATA link speed to 1.5 Gbps [22:04] Jul 14 22:04:44 blubug kernel: [ 1712.414299] ata4: hard resetting link [22:04] errr [22:04] yofel: gparted [22:05] ok, thats bad... [22:05] either the disk is faulty or the case doesn't like it, on e-sata [22:05] did you leave the sata 1.5 jumper enabled on the drive by any chance? :D [22:05] didn't have that since one of my drives just thought it would shut down while I'm working on it *-.- [22:05] * BUGabundo checks connections [22:06] and it had NTFS to boot [22:06] Sarvatt: didn't touch it! can that be it ? [22:06] so I had to boot windows to get the fs fixed -.- [22:06] hi guys [22:06] Sarvatt: no jumper on the disk [22:06] syn-ack: hi [22:06] hey syn-ack. long time no see [22:06] BUGabundo: what's the rest of the ata error? [22:07] BUGabundo: Its only been like half a day or so. :P [22:07] BUGabundo: Got a bunch of IRL stuff going on... Funerals and such so yeah [22:08] I think this is a power prob. I don't listen to the disk spin up :(( [22:08] yofel: you might wanna try the widget again seems like there is an update for dhcp3 [22:08] BUGabundo: whats ur psu rated at [22:08] eagles0513875: actually a reboot fixed it [22:08] Question is the UbuntuOne going to help me with trying to get the app working on karmic if I go in there and bug them? [22:08] OR [22:09] im noticing alot of rebooting as well as fsck in init 1 fixes alot of stuff [22:09] Will they say "juanty only?" [22:10] if not, I'll download all the source and shit and fix it on my own, I was just curious if you guys had any idea [22:11] ok disk is now spining, plugged e-sata [22:11] logs look ok [22:11] restarting gparted [22:11] syn-ack: I'm running u1 here on karmic, what's your problem? [22:11] BUGabundo: what kinda drive? [22:11] yofel: it doesnt seem to install. At all. [22:12] I saw the bug about hitting install twice, did that and it still doesnt show up in my menus [22:12] yofel: Whats the actual executable of it called? [22:12] syn-ack: what version do you try to install? mine is: 0.90.3+r77-0ubuntu1~ppa1~karmic [22:12] http://paste.ubuntu.com/218313/ [22:12] billybigrig seagate sata 7200rps 32m cache 1,5TB (base 10) [22:12] eagles0513875: psu !? [22:12] ya [22:12] syn-ack: U1 works on Karmic [22:13] hrm [22:13] BUGabundo: you have it in 3.0gbps mode now? [22:14] not sure [22:14] Jul 14 22:11:30 blubug kernel: [ 2118.232066] ata4: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310) [22:14] check your bios? [22:14] Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table [22:14] Disk /dev/sdb: 1500.3 GB, 1500301910016 bytes [22:14] yofel: what is the name of the executable? [22:15] syn-ack: ubuntuone-client-applet [22:15] yofel: I dont have it... let me check the repos.... [22:17] syn-ack: what does 'apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client' tell you? [22:18] Installed: 0.90.3-0ubuntu1 [22:18] syn-ack: ask on #ubuntu-one [22:18] but you need TWO packages [22:18] the client and client-gnome [22:18] BUGabundo: Yeah, Im discovering that now [22:18] thanks for the help [22:19] how much storage does u1 give you? [22:19] maybe i should try it out [22:19] 2G free [22:19] wanna an invite? [22:19] I must be the person to have sent more invites LOL [22:19] sure [22:19] about 200 [22:19] Thats what the problem was. I had the client but not the gnome tools [22:19] billybigrig PVT your email [22:19] but you will have to wait for me to finish this [22:19] BUGabundo: Thanks for the invite then. :D [22:20] you probably approved me this morning [22:20] syn-ack: ahah you were one of them? [22:20] nope. not me [22:20] meskes@gmail [22:20] BUGabundo: aye [22:20] I don't approve anything [22:21] aha! workie workie [22:21] this is takinggggg toooo longggggg [22:21] xfs is soooo much faster creating volumes [22:22] BUGabundo: than? [22:22] * yofel wants btrfs with transparent compression :/ [22:22] syn-ack: then what? [22:22] BUGabundo: Faster than what at creating volumes? [22:23] then I'll need to rsync /etc /home exclude .crypt (on encfs [22:23] syn-ack: xfs is much faster then ext [22:23] well, ext[234] do take ages to write those inode tables... [22:23] Aha. [22:23] BUGabundo: I used to use XFS exclusivly till ext4 came along and I thought I'd give it a try [22:24] oh man, you use dm-crypt too?! you just like using everything possible just because its there to break things dont you BUGabundo? :D [22:24] well, now that e4defrag seems to get usable I prefer it over XFS [22:25] I prefer tried and tested filesystems... like xfs. [22:26] yreah me too [22:26] this laptop is / ext3 10GBs [22:26] and home on XFS [22:26] no prob on xfs_check 300GiBs ULTRA FAST [22:26] Sarvatt: nope. I use encfs! been using it since gutsy [22:26] then it broke and I (temporarly) lost access to all my data [22:26] had to boot old livecd to decrypt and encrypt on new format :( [22:26] SwedeMike: xfs suffers from most probs ext4 suffers [22:26] on what it depends on the time to write to disk [22:27] even worse, since ext4 is beeing activly patched and xfs only gets _some_ backports latter on [22:27] at least the code has long time exposure to real life. [22:27] I wonder if colin did any progress on swap on file [22:27] I'll be testing it till the end of the devel cycle [22:28] so I HOPE it works, or I'm leaft without swap [22:28] let me go nag him [22:30] The timezone selection in installer is still scheisse. Worth reporting ? I believe this was reported 1 or 2 releases ago.... :-( [22:30] i've been using a swap file since jaunty with no problems (but i have no use for hibernation) [22:30] Sarvatt: but I do [22:31] MrStein: yeah I did a VB install today with daily, and my time zone was 1h ahead :( [22:31] heh [22:31] I barely have a swap [22:32] I have 8GiBs of it [22:32] On a notebook? [22:33] 4G of RAM [22:33] so 2x that [22:34] why that? [22:34] the 2x ram for swap is not needed anymore BUGabundo [22:34] thats the golden rule [22:34] that's old school, where systems only had 512mb - 1gb of ram [22:34] BUAAA [22:34] yeah? [22:34] 8 gb of swap is wayyyyy tooo much :P [22:34] I have 4GiB RAM on my notebook too with 4,5GiB swap for when I use hibernate sometimes [22:34] but more is just waste of disk space [22:35] leave BUGabundo alone, he's hardcore. :p [22:35] cjwaton says he has no idea on how swap on file is right now or if it works :(( [22:35] billybigrig care to let me know how to put 4G or FULL RAM into disk? [22:35] the only reason I only have 100 megs instead of 1 gig is that I forgot a zero. :p [22:35] try to use my email client [22:35] and see it SUCK 1G or ram [22:35] and another for pidgin [22:36] the only things that eat up ram here are ffx kvm and gnome-do(memleak) [22:37] http://paste.ubuntu.com/218330/ gparted log woot [22:37] at least suspend and hibernate actually *work* on my thinkpad now with karmic, and I've been using ubuntu on it since gutsy [22:38] no mem leak for me up until now [22:38] the only one I know of is a µblog purple plugin for pidin [22:38] Sarvatt: can you test hibernate right now? [22:39] BUGabundo: I once found gnome-do using 1.6g RES - that's a memleak for me [22:39] maybe a bad plygin? [22:39] try to remove them and enable one at a time [22:39] I don't so it can be some plugin you have and I don't [22:40] or 32 vs 64 bits [22:40] /dev/sdb1 1 182401 1465136001 83 Linux [22:40] now the rsync [22:41] well, I'll try that and report the results tomorrow I guess [22:41] rsync -vrhP --stats [22:41] tomorrow will be a bit to late for me [22:41] ahah [22:42] sent 56.01M bytes received 48.06K bytes 3.62M bytes/sec [22:42] BUGabundo: it's not like gnome-do reaches 1g ram usage within minutes :P [22:42] gotta love rsync [22:43] 23571 bugabund 122m 23m 381m 20 0 S 0.5 3.1 0:58.69 /usr/bin/cli /usr/lib/gnome-do/Do.exe [22:43] what's yours? [22:44] how do I exclude a path from rsycn? I don't want to rsync my .crypt dir [22:44] 23019 yofel 20 0 564m 271m 23m S 0 6.8 0:19.85 gnome-do [22:45] hmm [22:45] invoke-rc.d: initscript bluetooth, action "stop" failed. [22:45] dpkg: warning: old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 [22:45] dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... [22:45] invoke-rc.d: initscript bluetooth, action "stop" failed. [22:45] Sarvatt: ahaah [22:47] (nautilus:501): Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Unable to connect to the running instance, aborting. [22:48] can't open nautilus with sudo [22:48] haah [22:49] why you trying to open nautilus with sudo? [22:50] hmm works here [22:50] On what is the keyboard layout suggestion in installation step 3 based ? [22:52] Sarvatt: worse: as root [22:52] Jesus, there is a bug on every page of the installer.... :-p [22:52] ah? [22:53] step 3 : the world map is too small to make accurate selection, especiall in dense areas, like Europe [22:54] step 4: is suggests USA kbd layout, even if other layout is used in the country selected in step 3 [22:54] step 5 : there is a warning icon (triangle with exclamation sign), but no explanation, what it is warning about [22:54] (I did not reach step 6 yet) [22:55] BUGabundo: did you send me an invite to u1? [22:55] wasn't the keyboard preselect based on what language you choosed when booting the live image? [22:55] darn... can't make rsync exclude [22:55] billybigrig not yet [22:55] roger [22:55] BUGabundo: no worries [22:56] doing it now [22:56] dont worry [22:56] is u1 installed via ppa or what? [22:56] will I try to figure why --exclude=/home/bugabundo/.crypt doesn't work :( [22:56] yes [22:56] both aways [22:57] don't remember which page it was, but I don't quite get why ubiquity whows 2 partition graphs on the partitioning page [22:57] either PPA ( best way to get karmic one ) [22:57] ot their site, with apt-url and you get jaunty one [22:57] s/whows/shows [22:57] that works the same [22:58] billybigrig sent! welcome to the cloud [22:58] BUGabundo: thanks :P [22:59] come on! all this ppl here at least one KNOWS how to exclude from rsync [23:05] linux-headers-2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714_2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb [23:06] linux-image-2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714_2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb [23:06] linux-source-2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714_2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714-10.00.Custom_all.deb [23:06] Sarvatt: thats what i get [23:06] why does it appened -billybigrigger0714 twice? [23:07] ubuntu karmic keeps rejecting my pasword when i run update manager [23:07] so i can't update using the gui [23:07] catharcyst: when did you last install updates? [23:08] yesterday i believe yofel [23:09] catharcyst: known bug [23:09] there was some breakage in libgksu yesterday iirc, so check if you get an update for libgksu in terminal [23:10] ok will do thanks yofel [23:11] catharcyst: and remember your mirror may still be behind main [23:11] apparently i dont have libgksu [23:11] so check your sources and versions available [23:11] k BUGabundo [23:11] with apt-cache policy libgksu [23:11] k [23:12] stupd dkms [23:12] i still can't build that nvidia module [23:12] same error [23:12] not available [23:13] catharcyst: libgksu2-0 [23:13] k [23:16] yofel that fixed it [23:16] thanks a lot [23:17] about bug #399482 the real issue is that prerm doesn't have any case/esac loop to catch dpkg commands (upgrade|failed-upgrade, etc.) [23:17] Launchpad bug 399482 in bluez "bluez: upgrade from 4.45-0ubuntu1 to 4.45-0ubuntu2 fails" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/399482 [23:18] eheh [23:18] glad I haven't done todays updates [23:18] hehe [23:18] :) [23:18] it indeed seems to have been a messy one [23:18] hehe [23:19] nothing major, but somewhat hasty packaging, for some packages === catharcyst is now known as seeds [23:19] Q-FUNK: and I know you did it [23:20] speaking of which [23:20] * syn-ack downloads the dailies [23:21] from yesterday. heh [23:22] I just do my rsyncs from daily images [23:22] usually I get 100-150MiBs [23:23] BUGabundo: :D [23:24] nah, but I've been quite busy with 'ubuntu-bug' [23:24] yeah I would love to have the time for it [23:26] here, it's just that I have one host running karmic, mostly because I need to anticipate for possible showstoppers that would break support for Geode-based hardware [23:26] I know [23:26] that's a good thing [23:26] if *everyone* tested their prob *early* many would be in good state on release [23:27] or not..... we would be overworked [23:27] I just happen to catch unreleated issues whenever 'upgrade-system' drags in broken packages, at which point I go 'ubuntu-bug' trigger happy. ;) [23:29] testing early is easy enough. the difficulty is testing, only to find that whatever package you reported against has been rebased with a newer release. then, often, people are simply asked to try the new one, instead of anyone bothering with the initial bug report. [23:33] alpha2 does not boot on my PC, thanks good, otherwise I would be testing it til the morning (it is midnight here) :-) [23:33] BUGabundo: get your webcam working yeT? [23:33] alright, upload the rebuild of bluez already. :P [23:33] nope [23:34] miss match with gspca [23:34] syn-ack: funny you mention that one. filed two bugs against it today :) [23:34] aye, I saw 'em. :P [23:36] I give you guys a single change to guess what's taking longer on my rsync to a new disk ! ahah [23:36] no one will get it [23:41] disk writes? [23:43] Q-FUNK: I was expecting the bluez bug since I knew about it going into it, its the bugs that I dont know about that worry me. :P [23:46] anyone have any good suggestions for hosting bootcharts? like a decent front end php script or something similar? [23:46] er? [23:47] I just upload my png to my zenphoto galery on my server [23:47] you can even use dropbox to share it [23:47] eheh [23:47] i got nothing on my server [23:47] plain jane apache [23:47] zenphoto gallery, maybe ill check that out [23:49] How long does it take the updated package take to actually propagate through the update system before its available for download from the repo network? [23:49] I'd assume its a matter of hours, no? [23:49] or less [23:50] depends on the package and load on the builders [23:50] ah [23:51] w00t. Uncle Milty's on Little House [23:51] * syn-ack loves Uncle Milty. One of the best actors of all time...