=== asac_ is now known as asac === antdedyet_ is now known as antdedyet === Claudinux_One is now known as Claudinux [09:38] http://tinyurl.com/nkypfa === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [10:01] @schedule shanghai === Wajih is now known as MaWaLe [11:05] * persia peers about [11:05] No amachu yet. [11:05] persia: aloha there [11:05] hey czajkowski [11:06] persia: hi dude [11:06] evening freeflying [11:13] Doesn't appear amachu is even online yet. [11:16] Well, perhaps we oughtn't wait just on amachu. [11:16] elky, lifeless You about? [11:20] I am [11:21] and have been [11:21] That's 3. We just need an elky or an amachu. [11:21] lifeless without : doesn't hightlight :P [11:21] o hai [11:22] Ah. good. Despite the absence of our fearless leader, I believe we have quorum. [11:22] robert_ancell, You're up first. Please introduce yourself. [11:22] ok, my name is Robert. I'm based in Sydney [11:23] I've been using Debian since ~2000 and Ubuntu since warty [11:23] I'm the gcalctool maintainer and a GNOME games developer [11:23] I've been working for Canonical for the last three months packaging and bugfixing gnome [11:24] And I'm here to apply for Ubuntu membership [11:25] I'd like to note that we're the *community* membership board [11:25] so our assessment is going to be focusing on community contributions more than purely technical ones [11:25] I've been thinking that starting out as a universe contributor, even though you aren't one technically, may be a better bet. [11:25] robert_ancell, Do you have contributions other than just bug triage and uploads? [11:25] if most of your stuff is technical, MOTU may be a better way to go [11:26] persia, that would be the majority of my contributions. [11:27] I think I'll agree with previous statements than that you would be better reviewed as a candidate for Contributing Developer [11:27] My main motivation for membership has been to get syndicated on Planet Ubuntu so I can better communicate with the community (I am currently on Planet GNOME) [11:28] robert_ancell: membership via MOTU is still membership [11:28] robert_ancell: and will permit that [11:29] And the MOTU Council is likely in a better position to review your integration with the developer segment of the community. [11:30] next ;) [11:30] ok, thanks [11:30] OK. PmDematagoda, please introduce yourself. [11:32] persia: well my name is Pramod Dematagoda [11:32] persia: Im from Sri Lanka [11:32] I just finished school [11:32] been using Ubuntu since about 3 years ago if I remember correctly [11:32] Ive mostly helped around with support on Ubuntu Forums, where I am a moderator [11:33] Ive also helped on Launchpad, though not to a degree as great as Ive done on Ubuntu Forums [11:33] and I also do help a little bit here and there in bug reports, testing and translations [11:33] Im 18 years of age btw :) [11:34] and my intentions are to start programming on Linux so that I may help the community even more [11:34] Ive already gained a bit of experience on programming in C and using technologies like DBus and DeviceKit [11:35] also I would like to help improve the situation of the usage of Linux here locally in Sri Lanka [11:35] though I still have yet to establish connections with any LUGs as of yet [11:35] and yeah, thats covers my introduction :) [11:35] is any more required? [11:36] No, although we may have questions as we review the wiki page and other resources [11:36] ah, ok :) [11:38] PmDematagoda, Your forums activity is fairly high (seems to overage > 10 posts a day for the past couple years). Are there any particular areas of the forums in which you are more active, or any specific work you've done to help shape the forums or forum content? [11:38] persia: well, in my beginning days, I used to frequent the Absolute Beginner Talk, General Help and Installation & Upgrades section [11:39] but now I have also expanded into the Programming Talk section and the development sections too whenever I can [11:39] about forum content, I have made a few how-tos and such, but they are not as much as the support Ive provided [11:40] one how-to I created is the one on how to use Magic SysRq keys, although I havent updated that in a while [11:40] and I think that is the only how-to Ive created.. [11:40] but I do take part in discussions where decisions need to be taken on certain issues in the forums [11:40] you seem to have learned alot since august 07 anyway [11:41] that's in the staff forum, which is probably not visible :) [11:41] elky: yeah, my interest in Linux really helped [11:41] basically I was a Windows nut until my install got terrible, then I loaded up Ubuntu Feisty in the form of Ubuntu Ultimate and it really caught my attention [11:44] Do you have anybody here to support your work at this meeting today? [11:45] well, there is Pricey, nhandler, but they seem to be away [11:49] I'm +1 on the application. Long history, testimonials from two current Ubuntu Members, member of Forums Staff. [11:50] +1 too [11:50] +1 three [11:51] +1 [11:52] Congratulations PmDematagoda, and welcome. [11:52] persia: thank you very much :) [11:52] PmDematagoda: congrats [11:52] everyone :) [11:52] freeflying: thank you :) [11:52] been waiting months for this, great feeling indeed :) [11:52] So, who volunteers to be acting secretary this week (update wiki page, do launchpad-fu, send mail, etc.) [11:52] great point persia. I volunteer you. [11:52] ;P [11:53] (If only cause its earlier in your evening) [11:53] thank you again to all, damn, so happy :) [11:54] lifeless, OK (although it's only 06:53 here, so if it's evening, it's kinda late) [11:54] where are you atm? [11:54] Anything else anyone want to raise, or shall we meet again on the 28th? [11:54] lifeless, UTC-4 (although I'll be back to the lovely positive lands next week) [11:54] east coast? [11:55] right. [11:55] enjoy [11:55] and we'll let you go get brekkie [11:56] RIght then. Adjourned. [11:56] nothing to raise here, sorry, had to tend a sick family member. === sc is now known as sbc === fader|away is now known as fader_ [14:00] #startmeeting [14:00] Meeting started at 08:00. The chair is mcasadevall. [14:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:00] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090714 [14:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090714 [14:00] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap [14:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap [14:01] Who's here? [14:01] Hi. [14:01] * StevenK isn't [14:01] * bjf waves [14:02] * ogra stals StevenK's joke and stands [14:02] *strands ... GAH [14:02] * mcasadevall wants wubi on ARM [14:02] bahahahahhaha [14:03] mcasadevall, only if you can test it under wine on arm :P [14:03] ogra, I could use winelib ... [14:03] * ogra doubts that would work [14:03] ogra, you'd be suprised/scared [14:03] * GrueMaster mumbles incoherently. [14:04] lool, dyfet GrueMaster ping [14:04] ah [14:04] plars, ping [14:04] ogra: Fail [14:05] here [14:06] sorta here [14:06] at a conference also [14:06] excuses excuses [14:06] mcasadevall, read your calendar, lool is on holiday [14:06] Oh [14:07] alright then [14:07] lets get started [14:07] ogra: there's no excuse for me [14:07] celebrating past countrywide violence [14:07] [topic] Action Item Review [14:07] New Topic: Action Item Review [14:07] [topic]# [14:07] NCommander to investigate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vnc4/+bug/338148 (co) [14:07] New Topic: # [14:07] c/o [14:07] Ubuntu bug 338148 in vnc4 "Needs new version from Debian: fails to build with removal of mesa-swx11-source" [High,Triaged] [14:07] co [14:07] well, that makes that easy [14:08] [topic] Specification review [14:08] New Topic: Specification review [14:08] * ogra suggests to sort by asignee [14:08] fine [14:08] good idea [14:08] [topic] paulliu's specifications [14:08] New Topic: paulliu's specifications [14:08] [topic] mobile-unr-karmic-application-res [14:09] New Topic: mobile-unr-karmic-application-res [14:09] But what do I do for the other 99% of the meeting? [14:09] Good news is we have anjal packages now. [14:09] waking up ? [14:09] Why, it's 11pm [14:09] But not much progress this week because I'm busy at moblin packaging. [14:09] oh, i thought 6am :) [14:09] [topic] mobile-unr-karmic-connman [14:09] New Topic: mobile-unr-karmic-connman [14:09] Anjal solves many issues for evolution. [14:09] but that was the other side of the world, i get it [14:10] connman - still testing with apps. Low progress. [14:10] [topic] GrueMaster's specifications [14:10] New Topic: GrueMaster's specifications [14:10] paulliu: so is anjal going to happen? [14:10] [topic] karmic-lsb-compliance-testing [14:10] New Topic: karmic-lsb-compliance-testing [14:10] paulliu: or are we still going to decide if that's going to be in UNR or not? [14:11] plars: I hope it can be happened. We just need to add some new API into webkit and evolution. [14:11] mcasadevall: slow down. one topic at a time. [14:11] paulliu: what will replace the other functionality from evolution? [14:11] calendar, contacts, etc? [14:11] iirc, anjal is email component only, correct? [14:11] plars: Yes, it's only e-mail component. [14:12] or maybe that's a question coming up for GrueMaster :) [14:12] seems to fit :) [14:13] karmic-lsb-compliance-testing: Waiting on Alpha 3. The testing only happens during iso testing. [14:13] plars: Other components have to find a replacement. [14:14] [topic] StevenK's specifications [14:14] New Topic: StevenK's specifications [14:14] [topic] mobile-unr-karmic-wubi [14:14] New Topic: mobile-unr-karmic-wubi [14:14] mcasadevall, ?? [14:14] you missed one from GrueMaster [14:14] ogra, its marked deferred [14:14] He always does. [14:14] oh, why is it showing up on the list if its not for karmic [14:14] hrm [14:15] If the specification isn't actually deferred, then someone needs to update the status :-/ [14:15] -wubi is waiting for me to talk to the wubi guy [14:15] Talk to davidm. He's the boss. I just work here. :D [14:15] GrueMaster, is mobile-unr-karmic-applications actually dead for karmic ? [14:16] I know why the .disk/info parser breaks, and I have a patch [14:16] davidm, ^^^ ? [14:16] the spec is dead, if we have specific apps we need a spec for the apps [14:16] ok [14:16] not that I know of. Last I was told, pidgin is being swapped with Empathy, and there were a few other apps. Banshee is still unknown, but looking doubtful. [14:16] ok [14:16] GrueMaster, probably unsubscribe yourself as asignee then [14:16] sounds like we need one for anjal [14:17] so it wont show up on the weekly list [14:18] done [14:18] :) [14:19] i guess lool will like if we keep the summary clean [14:19] [topic] plar [14:19] New Topic: plar [14:19] [topic] plars's specifications [14:19] New Topic: plars's specifications [14:19] [topic] mobile-unr-karmic-compliance-autotesting [14:19] New Topic: mobile-unr-karmic-compliance-autotesting [14:19] I hit an issue with this [14:19] ldtp is currently broken in karmic [14:20] use xautomation and scripts ? [14:20] there's a bug in for it currently [14:20] ogra: that's a possible backup plan, but would like to avoid it if at all possible [14:20] yeah, its not beautoful indeed [14:20] *baeutiful [14:20] bah [14:21] * ogra shuffles the keys on his kbd ... [14:21] next [14:21] [topic] NCommander's specifications [14:21] New Topic: NCommander's specifications [14:21] [topic] karmic-marvell-desktop [14:21] New Topic: karmic-marvell-desktop [14:21] oh [14:21] ? [14:21] oh wow [14:21] sorry [14:21] [topic] plars's specifications [14:21] New Topic: plars's specifications [14:21] [topic] mobile-qa-karmic-arm [14:21] New Topic: mobile-qa-karmic-arm [14:21] * ogra throws coffeebeans at mcasadevall [14:22] * mcasadevall falls over [14:22] * ogra guesses thats blocked by not having images [14:22] for the arm one, no progress this week, for the unr one, I didn't mark it started (forgot) but I did do some checkbox tests for it this week === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [14:22] to cover things like unr processes, and start with some rudimentary tests for apps [14:23] done [14:23] [topic] ogra's specifications [14:23] New Topic: ogra's specifications [14:23] [topic] mobile-karmic-general-resolution-for-touchscreen-handling [14:23] New Topic: mobile-karmic-general-resolution-for-touchscreen-handling [14:23] still idling on that one [14:23] so : not started [14:24] [topic] mobile-arm-karmic-subarches-in-debian-cd [14:24] New Topic: mobile-arm-karmic-subarches-in-debian-cd [14:24] not started, waiting on uboot-imx which should be ready very soon thanks to mcasadevall [14:25] beyond that i'd like to have prototyping ready for A3, even though we cant test it [14:25] next ... [14:26] * ogra twiddles tumbs [14:26] * ogra throws coffeebeans at mcasadevall [14:26] sorry [14:26] LP being stupid [14:27] [topic] karmic-freescale-desktop [14:27] New Topic: karmic-freescale-desktop [14:27] * ogra throws coffeebeans at LP [14:27] good progress as far as i can tel without kernel [14:27] On a second note uboot-imx was uploaded yesterday [14:27] worked a lot on the ftbfs list which showed various issues with packages [14:27] (its sitting in the NEW queue) [14:28] mcasadevall, ugh, with the broken synopsis and description ? [14:28] and without the changes mentioned on revu ? [14:28] anyway [14:28] ogra, not quite as bad as the verison on REVU, but I accidently left the "the Das" [14:28] upstart wasnt building, we had massive issues with binutils [14:28] I can request a rejection and reupload if its a huge issue, else I'll fix it on the -0ubuntu2 upload [14:29] lool and doko attacked both yesterday after i had poked around on them the whole weekend [14:29] both appear to be fixed [14:29] livefses for freescale images build [14:29] still a lot of ftbfs issues [14:29] still the timeout issues with various packages [14:30] * bjf will be right back [14:30] ogra, the timeout was extended to 600 minutes === bjf is now known as bjf-afk [14:30] (though the timeout on the buildd seems to have been bumped to 10h) [14:30] But it wasn't long enough for mesa. A few of the previously FTBFSing KDE packages however now build) [14:30] which results in all buildds blocking for 10h [14:30] until it times out again [14:30] which in turn blocks package builds massively now [14:30] so we should discuss dropping lzma on armel imho [14:31] but thats for AOB ... [14:31] ogra, I don't think thats a proper solution to be honest [14:31] done with freescale [14:31] AOB? [14:31] [topic] mobile-arm-karmic-easy-redboot-management [14:31] New Topic: mobile-arm-karmic-easy-redboot-management [14:31] mcasadevall, please put "solution for armel builder delays" to the AOB section [14:32] that spec might be obsolete with uboot [14:32] oh [14:32] * mcasadevall didn't realize what AOB was [14:32] given that we dont need any redboot tools anymore and all of rdboot goes into pure maintenance with the switch to uboot [14:33] i'll discuss with davidm offline if it can be dropped, uboot has al necessary tools in the archive already [14:33] next [14:33] [topic] mobile-arm-karmic-offline-installer-gui [14:33] New Topic: mobile-arm-karmic-offline-installer-gui === bjf-afk is now known as bjf [14:34] good progress [14:34] * bjf is back [14:34] after the switch to project-rootstock i actually had commits and patches from users already [14:34] working on a package [14:34] and started fiddling with glade to get a good gui for the initial setup [14:35] done :) [14:36] [topic] mcasadevall's specs [14:36] New Topic: mcasadevall's specs [14:36] [topic] mobile-arm-karmic-softboot-loader [14:36] New Topic: mobile-arm-karmic-softboot-loader [14:36] No progress [14:36] [topic] karmic-marvell-desktop [14:36] New Topic: karmic-marvell-desktop [14:36] Got hardware, brought it up the u-boot prompt, and we got a source drop, which is now being merged into the kernel. Dep-wait on subarchies in d-i however. Still requires d-i porting [14:37] is it being merged ? [14:37] ogra, what is? [14:37] o thought all ressources are on the imx stuff [14:37] kernel patches [14:37] bjf, ^^^ ? [14:37] ogra, I believe the drop we got was .30 [14:38] mcasadevall, i just said that i thought marvell was waiting on imx51 to be done because everyone is busy with that [14:38] no matter what the patch revision is :) [14:38] ogra, I am working on getting a git repo setup for Marvell so they can push their patches into it [14:39] right [14:39] so nothing is being merged atm [14:39] I believe the patch drop we got from Marvell was just a preliminary drop and not one they expected us to apply [14:39] yeah [14:39] ogra, that is correct [14:39] thats what i ment [14:39] we're in idle state there [14:40] Do we want to review the unassigned specs? [14:40] beyond that the board spills segfaults across the board if you try to build anything on it [14:40] i'm waiting on more info back from Marvell devs needed to setup their accounts and the git repo [14:40] but the whole desktop works [14:41] * ogra wishes for some better framebuffer modes in the driver so he doesnt need to use a second monitor [14:42] [topic] Any Other Business [14:42] New Topic: Any Other Business [14:42] well :) [14:42] what do we do with the armel buildds ? [14:42] if you let three packages with the timeout issue build you essentially put out all buildds for 10h [14:43] tonight someone gave back mesa which then blocked a full buildd for 10h [14:43] ogra, there was a long discussion with IS on this [14:43] * mcasadevall did that *cough* [14:43] i'm a bit scared we have someone giving back three at the same time [14:43] which kills the buildfarm for us [14:44] (at least for 10h) [14:44] *sigh* [14:44] THere isn't a great solution for this problem [14:44] I don't think we want to loose lzma compression though, even though image size is less of a concern for us than other architectures [14:44] i cant belive that it takes mesa 10h to zip the ddebs [14:45] ogra, its the -dbgs, and it makes sense. If you have 100-200MB of binary debug symbols, its going to take ages to crunch down to 33MB [14:45] i still doubt it is actually caused by lzma and would like to see deeper research from IS on whats actually happening [14:45] ogra, I can ask them to relook into it, but I setup launchpad-buildd on an ARM board, and ran a few of the failing builds myself [14:45] GIven enough time, they do succeed. [14:46] yes, but we will run into issues with that [14:46] blocking buildds for 10h or more (if we bump it even more) will definately get in our way [14:47] ogra, I realize that, but only a vast minority of builds will block and timeout like that [14:47] have you looked at http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ ? [14:47] currently the whole of kde sits there [14:48] ogra, due to qt4-x11, yes :-/ [14:48] that will take us out of business for a week [14:48] even if only half of the kde packages have the timeout issue [14:49] We're dealing with an architecture that is vastly underpowered unfortunately. I don't have a good solution on this one. [14:49] Even if we remove lzma compression, its a stopgap measure at best [14:49] well, dropping lzma would be one [14:49] Maybe we need something like distlzma for armel :-P [14:50] not a good one, not a beautiful one ... but it would get us back to jaunty buildspeed [14:50] which was slow anyway already [14:50] If we're going to go that route, then I would like to see it be an official policy :-/ [14:50] i dont want to see openoffic being uploaded in the current state [14:50] (and then we modify debhelper(?) to ignore the lzma flag on ARM vs. having to edit every package) [14:51] indeed, it would need a well thought out solution [14:51] offloading the lzma compression might be a viable solution [14:51] i'm just saying that the current situation is bloking us [14:51] Not sure how IS will like it [14:52] ogra, no, I agree. the buildd timeout bump was a stopgap measure at best, it didn't solve the underlying problem [14:52] i know there is HW coming for new buildds [14:52] but its not sure when and how fast it will be there [14:52] Its slower in terms of raw muscle. [14:52] 1GHz/512M [14:52] pretty much the same [14:52] Oh [14:52] but USB disks [14:52] I thought the boards we were looking at were 800Mhz [14:53] Yeah, now THAT is going to hurt [14:53] anyway, we wont come to a conclusion now [14:53] lets monitor the issue and put it on the agenda for next week [14:53] [action] ogra and NCommander to confer on lzma compression issues on armel buildds [14:53] ACTION received: ogra and NCommander to confer on lzma compression issues on armel buildds [14:54] done [14:54] i'd really like to hear lool about it [14:55] I'm going to end the meeting [14:55] * mcasadevall looks left and right [14:55] Anyone have anything else? [14:56] #endmeeting [14:56] Meeting finished at 08:56. [15:00] mdz,Keybuk: TB? [15:00] cjwatson: here [15:00] whose turn is it to chair? [15:00] (not me) [15:00] mine I think [15:00] we selected somebody at the end of the last meeting [15:01] Keybuk: ok, all yours [15:01] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda [15:01] # [15:01] Developer application board (ScottJamesRemnant) [15:01] Keybuk: mootbot? [15:01] mdz: I can never drive the damned thing [15:01] and spend half the meeting looking up its commands [15:01] ok, if you prefer to email out the log, that's fine with me [15:02] err, I don't keep logs ;) [15:02] #startmeeting [15:02] Meeting started at 09:02. The chair is Keybuk. [15:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:02] I can't seem to see minutes from the previous meeting? [15:02] [TOPIC] Developer application board (ScottJamesRemnant) [15:02] New Topic: Developer application board (ScottJamesRemnant) [15:03] Colin replied to my mail yesterday with a few suggestions for updates [15:03] Keybuk: I emailed them to -devel-announce, want me to forward you a copy? [15:03] mdz: ah, so you did, just not ubuntu-devel [15:03] in my traditional "the meeting's tomorrow, hmm, what have I forgotten to do" [15:03] mdz: did you have a chance to read through his proposed edits? [15:04] Keybuk: I believe cjwatson and I have both supported the general proposal, and just made some suggestions regarding the details [15:04] what has sabdfl said? [15:04] indeed, I want to make sure we're all happy with the text [15:04] mdz: "+1" was his only reply [15:04] the next step would appear to be sending the mail to the Community Council [15:05] for their rubber stamp [15:05] were the edits I suggested OK, or do we want to adjust them a bit here? [15:05] cjwatson: I thought they were fine [15:05] Keybuk: I haven't seen a complete, revised version of the text, but was OK with everything what has been proposed in the thread [15:05] I'm happy for you to incorporate those bits and send it out [15:06] mdz: the revised text would be my "Updated text" mail, with the suggested replacement paragraph from Colin [15:06] ok [15:06] so we should send it to the CC [15:06]