=== asac_ is now known as asac === ripps_ is now known as ripps [09:32] moin [10:15] fta: hi, did you ever try o3d? [10:16] EruditeHermit: his GPU doesnt work with it [10:17] same for me [10:17] sucks [10:17] what GPUs do you guys have? [10:17] intel and ati [10:17] and he has nvidia ;) [10:17] lol [10:17] oh [10:17] wth [10:17] I thought nvidia would workr [10:17] maybe the non free driver? [10:17] i dont think he uses non-free stuff [10:18] oh I see [10:18] intel must work [10:18] if that doesnt work, the plugin is useless [10:18] nah [10:18] imho [10:18] intel cards suck [10:18] well. intel has at least the best drivers [10:18] for 3D? [10:18] best open source drivers [10:18] meaning: if o3d only works with proprietary nvidia thats pretty useless for linux [10:19] well thats the case [10:19] it probably needs OpenGL 2.1 [10:19] EruditeHermit: i would say that intel drivers are best for 3d. the card might not be as powerful, but in general the driveres are the best we have [10:19] they are the best open source drivers yes [10:19] the proprietary drivers are better drivers [10:19] but they are proprietary [10:19] well [10:20] fglrx never had compositing ... until they dropped support for my card completel [10:20] fglrx is actually pretty good on newer cards [10:20] I have an HD4850 [10:21] but I also have a radeon 9600 [10:21] so I know how that goes [10:22] well its a shame. my card isnt really that old its a X1950 ... still support is dropped [10:22] but back to the point [10:22] o3d is a 3D plugin [10:22] if the drivers don't have 3d, its not o3d's fault [10:22] and the gallium drivers will have OpenGL 2.1 support and will probably be usable by years end [10:23] intel has 3d support, doesnt it? [10:23] OpenGL 2.0 GLSL 1.10 [10:23] not OpenGL 2.1 GLSL 1.20 + [10:23] which is what o3d requires I think [10:24] then o3d shouldnt depend on that high requirements [10:24] lol [10:24] what does it do that justifies so high bars? [10:24] its not actually that high [10:24] is it Quake 5? [10:24] no [10:24] pretty much any game since 2003 [10:24] =p [10:24] so OpenGL 2.0 is what intel supports on its hardfware? [10:24] yes [10:24] as of now [10:24] or is that a driver problem?= [10:25] oh [10:25] driver problem [10:25] the hardware can do 2.1 [10:25] what a mess [10:25] well [10:25] depends [10:25] what card do you have? [10:25] GMA 3100 +? [10:25] 965 [10:25] that can do 2.1 [10:25] no GMA 3100 has no free drivers either, does it? [10:25] isnt that the poulsbo crap? [10:25] yeah it does [10:25] no [10:25] ok [10:25] then i mixed that up [10:25] that is GMA 500 [10:26] GMA 3100 is 965 I think [10:26] 965 is the chipset [10:26] GMA 3100 is the card on that chipset [10:26] I THINK [10:26] not sure though [10:26] i dont think so [10:26] i thought the cards were really called 3x000 [10:26] at least i was looking into buying a motherboard with one of the 3x000 series [10:26] but i have no clue ;) [10:26] better ask one of our X guys [10:27] nope [10:27] I'm right [10:27] 965 is the chipset [10:27] the card is called GMA 3100 if mobility [10:27] or GMA 3000 if desktop [10:27] hmm [10:27] GMA X3100 [10:27] GMA X3000 [10:28] my bad [10:28] but yes [10:28] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) [10:28] thats what it tells me [10:28] ok from wikipedia [10:28] The GMA X3100 is the mobile version of the GMA X3000 used in the Intel GL960 and GM965 chipsets. [10:28] oh cool [10:28] so great [10:29] and those can do OpenGL 2.1 [10:29] infact hang on a sec [10:29] i can dump my ati card in the river then and buy a motherboard with that one integrated i guess [10:29] havent seen a standalone card for intel yet [10:29] well don't dump the ATI card in the river [10:29] I wonder [10:29] can you try something for me? [10:29] its X1950 ... and its really useless [10:29] nah [10:29] before hardy all was fine ... since then i cannot play any of my shooters [10:30] give it 3-6 months and it will have OpenGL 2.1+ drivers [10:30] unreal/quake, even ET Wolfenstein didnt work with fglrx we had in hardy [10:30] right [10:30] but the open source drivers will be ready by then [10:30] EruditeHermit: well. upstream folks always tell me that my card supports compiz with ati driver [10:30] but it doesnt [10:30] yeah it does [10:30] then they wonder .. hmm ... but all 5x0 are supported [10:30] wait [10:31] then i show them the output and they say ... oh its probably one for those not supported ;) [10:31] really? [10:31] file a bug [10:31] where? [10:31] it should work [10:31] ;) [10:31] join #radeon a minute will you? [10:31] yeah. thtas what bryce and timo tell me for two cycles now ;) [10:32] the bug needs to be filed at bugs.freedesktop.org [10:32] yeah. i will do that in 5 minutes ... have to get coffee and turn my system on [10:32] ok [10:32] well on your intel box, want to try something? [10:32] actually [10:32] let me try it on my box [10:40] asac: when you get back, what happens when you boot the ati machine with the ati driver and type glxinfo [10:40] can you pastebin the output? [10:42] EruditeHermit: glxinfo | pastebinit [10:42] http://paste.ubuntu.com/217737/ [10:42] lspci | grep ATI | pastebinit [10:42] http://paste.ubuntu.com/217738/ [10:42] compiz should work [10:42] what happens when you try? [10:43] EruditeHermit: it complains that software rasterizer something [10:43] EruditeHermit: have to chat with some customer for a bit ... bbiw [10:46] asac: try it again and paste the output to me [10:47] asac: also when yuo get a chance. Check to see if you have any fglrx packages stll installed [10:47] and purge them [10:51] EruditeHermit: i already checked for fglrx a bunch of time. [10:51] its not there ... no left-overs; nothing :) [10:51] and yes, i had fglrx left-overs at some point, but the xperience was really worse [10:51] so what heppens when you try compiz now? [10:51] EruditeHermit: let me run it again [10:52] compiz --replace it is right? [10:52] should be [10:52] but [10:52] run it from desktop appearance in gnome [10:53] system-->preferences-->Appearance-->Visual effects [10:53] try that first since it might set some env variables and run it [10:53] EruditeHermit: http://paste.ubuntu.com/217749/ [10:53] EruditeHermit: i am sure visual effects doesnt enable it ... i tried it recently again (once a month i hope for a fix ) [10:53] is there any output you expect? [10:54] it tells me "desktop effects couldnt be enabled" [10:55] ok [10:55] any log i should paste? [10:55] one sec [10:55] well [10:55] i think i even tried to force compiz at some point [10:55] but it was like 1 frame per second ... and all white [10:55] i can also join #radeon if thats better [10:55] EruditeHermit: ^^ [10:55] well [10:55] you may want to ask them in there too [10:56] and file a bug report [10:56] because its really strange [10:57] asac: btw do you have that intel card? [10:57] which one? [10:57] GMA 3100 [10:57] the one i pasted? yes, i pasted it live [10:57] ok [10:58] can you try something for me? [10:58] so that we can see if o3d works? [10:58] 11:28 < asac> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) [10:58] good morning [10:58] EruditeHermit: i can check the dailies again if you want [10:58] asac: can you install xorg-edgers PPA? [10:58] EruditeHermit: but i probably cannot build the beast with the non-existing time i currently have ;) [10:58] EruditeHermit: for ati? [10:58] or intel? [10:58] it has Mesa which gives your card OpenGL 2.1 support [10:58] intel [10:59] EruditeHermit: ok, so dailies with o3d + edgets might work? [10:59] i will check that later then [10:59] hi bluekuja [10:59] yeah [11:00] need to finish some stuff [11:00] asac, hello :) [11:00] asac: is it jaunty you are using? [11:00] asac: or karmic? [11:01] well ok I'll let you go [11:01] I have to sleep anyhow [11:01] we'll pick this up tomorrow if you are about and have time [11:04] EruditeHermit: karmic [11:05] yeah it will probably work with edgers [11:05] though someone I am talking with says its unstable [11:05] so maybe just to test you can do it [11:05] but revert back to karmic mesa once we're done [11:05] mesa 7.6 adds the OpenGL 2.1 support [11:05] karmic has mesa 7.5 [11:06] hy everybody [11:07] asac: gnight [11:08] 'night [11:11] I am trying around with songbird as the new amarok is still very buggy. is it possible to have an icon in the tray? anybody knows this program? [11:13] wizkoder: the songbird guy usually here, isnt here right now [11:13] wizkoder: but we are usually dealing with ubuntu specific things here [11:13] so maybe check the upstream #songbird channel ... if there is any ;) [11:13] there is none :-( [11:13] But I use ubuntu .-) [11:14] irc.mozilla.org, #songbird [11:14] ? [11:14] there is one [11:14] pretty crowded even [11:14] wizkoder: yeah. but you are not using our builds, do you? [11:15] anyway, thats an upstream issue in general i would think, so better ask there. If you could keep us updated on what they say that would be precious [11:15] didn't find it in the repos. have kubuntu hardy here at work [11:15] we have no official builds [11:15] anyway, ask in #songbird on irc.mozilla.org server [12:28] where are sound files kept? [12:29] gnomefreak: somewhere in /usr/share ;) [12:30] asac: thanks. tbird3 doesnt have a default sound it seems just a system beep [12:30] gnomefreak: yeah. i think tbird needs canberra support [12:30] i guess they dont have that yet [12:30] oh [12:30] though its in the xulrunner they use [12:30] so maybe its just a configuration thing [12:31] maybe its only on trunk, that would mean that tbird 3.1 should have it [12:31] we already have support for canberra as i recall maybe xulrunner doesnt support it? [12:32] gnomefreak: i thought it was on 1.9.1 ... 1.9.2 definitly supports it (thats what i just said) [12:32] asac, o3d works for me on nvidia 32. [12:32] fta: good ;) [12:32] fta: so intel might work with edgers [12:33] ppa [12:33] intel x64 fails because of this: [12:33] libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/tls/i965_dri.so [12:33] libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so [12:33] libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64) [12:33] libGL error: unable to load driver: i965_dri.so [12:33] libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/tls/swrast_dri.so [12:33] libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so [12:33] libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64) [12:33] libGL error: unable to load driver: swrast_dri.so [12:33] libGL error: reverting to indirect rendering [12:34] yeah. but it doesnt work on 32 bit from what he told anyway [12:35] he? [12:35] fta: intel doesnt have opengl 2.1 support [12:35] in fact only nvidia and fglrx support that atm [12:36] thats what he just told me [12:36] all graphic drivers have problems (not all of each type but each has some bugs. nvidiia 173 drivers are broken 180 has issues. dont remember ati but they were having issues as of last week. and people have said intel has alot of them atm [12:36] and he didnt sound he didnt know what he is talking about ;) [12:36] maybe thats why :) [12:36] he said that my ati card would get support for opengl 2.1 in 3-6 month ;) (open source driver) [12:37] thats supposed to be the time when i can play quake and friends ;) [12:37] again [12:37] i've been told the intel guys are working to make o3d work with their chipsets [12:37] fta: yes. they are working on opengl 2.1 support. the mesa you need is in the xorg-edgers ppa [12:37] but its not in karmic [12:37] 12:04 < EruditeHermit> yeah it will probably work with edgers [12:37] 12:05 < EruditeHermit> though someone I am talking with says its unstable [12:37] 12:05 < EruditeHermit> so maybe just to test you can do it [12:37] 12:05 < EruditeHermit> but revert back to karmic mesa once we're done [12:37] 12:05 < EruditeHermit> mesa 7.6 adds the OpenGL 2.1 support [12:38] 12:05 < EruditeHermit> karmic has mesa 7.5 [12:38] 12:04 < EruditeHermit> yeah it will probably work with edgers [12:38] 12:05 < EruditeHermit> though someone I am talking with says its unstable [12:38] 12:05 < EruditeHermit> so maybe just to test you can do it [12:38] 12:05 < EruditeHermit> but revert back to karmic mesa once we're done [12:38] 12:05 < EruditeHermit> mesa 7.6 adds the OpenGL 2.1 support [12:38] 12:05 < EruditeHermit> karmic has mesa 7.5 [12:38] oops [12:38] double paste. sorr [12:38] * asac blames his mouse [12:39] i plan to try the edgers ppa later today or tomorrow [12:39] problem i had was reverting back to karmics X packages [12:39] gnomefreak: with edgers? [12:39] asac: nvidia support still was broken as of last week [12:39] in karmic? [12:39] i thin fta runs it properly [12:39] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu karmic main [12:39] asac: yeah [12:40] fta: are you using backport modules for you nc10 wifi? [12:40] a friend complained about low throughput in jaunty [12:40] nvidia 173 drivers didnt work with it. IIRC 180 was fixed in karmic and PPA at one point but karmic still has issues [12:42] 173 == legacy as of Karmic so i guess it has something to do with downgrade. upstream drivers work great though [12:42] i use 180 [12:42] ill be back in a few [12:43] 185.18.14-0ubuntu3 [12:57] asac, i don't run edger on this laptop (dell). and i'm not sure it will help with the ia32 issues [12:57] unlikely [12:57] but the ia32 issue doesnt matter if it doesnt work anyway ;) [12:57] why cant o3d be built with 64-bit? [12:58] because it uses v8 [12:58] sigh [12:58] it ships v8 [12:58] v8 is making some progress toward native x64 though [13:02] ok 1. what is o3d. 2. as32 seems to have issues for a while (the libs at least) [13:02] s/as32/aia32 [13:02] damnit you know what i mean [13:03] fta: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libselinux/2.0.82-1ubuntu2 [13:04] good [13:04] so hurry before something else fails ,) [13:04] gnomefreak, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-webtech/+archive/o3d-daily [13:04] the intel drivers are for 910 or all? [13:05] 910? [13:05] dont know that ;) [13:05] ah karmic [13:05] i dont know [13:05] checkout the pool ;) [13:05] or the ppa page [13:05] someone asked me so i figured i ask since we were on this topic a little while ago :) [13:07] thanks looking at the LP page [13:08] why doesnt tbird build same time as FF in daily PPA [13:09] that looks like its a good idea. lets see if 173 works with it :) [13:12] ok so the example page for o3d requires o3d (not helpful if you want to see them before installing it [13:13] http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2009/04/google-releases-3d-graphics-plugin-for-browsers.ars [13:14] fta: thanks, looking [13:14] http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2009/04/toward-open-web-standard-for-3d.html [13:16] oh this is nice [13:24] ok it doesnt work with 173 i guess [13:26] only 6200 and up it seems. i dont want to buy anohter card (they are not exactly ceep anymore) [13:28] tigerdirect == compusa now? [13:38] can i get a divorce before im married :( [13:42] hmmm 6200 is not too badly $35.99-59.99 [13:48] asac: did you push fixed ubufox to Karmic? [13:48] * gnomefreak thinks it might still be broken [13:49] gnomefreak: i uploaded it yes. not sure if you already got it [13:49] it works with 3.0/3.5 and 3.6 [13:49] for me here ;) [13:49] asac: someone says launching 3.5 fails but using tbird to launch it it works [13:50] i asked him to join me here but i doubt it :) [13:50] Le-Chuck_ITA: hi [13:50] hi :) [13:50] asac: disabling ubufox fixed it. [13:51] Le-Chuck_ITA: what version of ubufox are you running? [13:51] gnomefreak: 0.7 [13:51] ah [13:51] Le-Chuck_ITA: apt-cache policy ubufox [13:51] but launching firefox from my custom script also showed the buttons [13:51] I am so puzzled [13:52] asac: 0.7-0ubuntu1 is not the fixed one is it? [13:52] although i have no issues here [13:52] * gnomefreak needs to find a changelog command :) [13:54] gnomefreak: ok I can confirm that firefox-3.5 is not opening if launched from thunderbird, while firefox 3.0 does [13:54] I still think it's a script problem [13:54] Le-Chuck_ITA: your custom script i cant help with but i remember we updated ubufox to support 3.5 and it was pushed but we may not have it yet [13:54] the only argument passed is the url [13:54] gnomefreak: no it's not my custom script [13:54] it's yours :) [13:55] Le-Chuck_ITA: it works launching ff-3.5 alone but using tbird it doesnt? [13:55] I don't understand why, but if launched from thunderbird 3, firefox 3.5 does not open, firefox 3.0 does, and using the command line, it works [13:55] (last thing answers your question) [13:56] it must be some environment variable not cleaned up [13:56] Le-Chuck_ITA: look in system>preferences>defaul apps and see if you 3.0 is set to default. it is by default since its still in archives [13:56] gnomefreak: I have put ff 3.5 in my default apps [13:56] if I put 3.0 there it works [13:56] (but it is ff 3.0 indeed) [13:57] gnomefreak: two days ago it worked, I put the full path there [13:57] I am using karmic so I suspect some recent upgrade [13:57] Le-Chuck_ITA: i as revall 3.5 hasnt been updated in repos [13:57] recall [13:57] gnomefreak: apt-cache show firefox-3.5 :) [13:57] at least not in a week [13:57] ah ok [13:57] thanks [13:58] it must be a quarrel with tb [13:58] in any case [13:58] yeah it hasnt been updated since final [13:58] idea, will diff the two envs [13:58] Le-Chuck_ITA: 3.0 from daily repos? [13:58] eh [13:58] no from the websit [13:58] e [13:58] b1 [13:58] tbird-3.0 from daily? [13:58] tb 3.0 b1 [13:58] b2 [13:58] sorry [13:59] Le-Chuck_ITA: well that could be an issue all on its own. [13:59] gnomefreak: firefox should open! [13:59] mine works fine from daily :) but i dont suggest running it [13:59] but as they have many things in common [13:59] it may be some MOZILLA_* environment variable [13:59] Le-Chuck_ITA: running 3.5 from CLI works? clicking on icon works? [13:59] yes and yes [14:00] even dragging the link from tb on the icon works :) [14:00] what tbird is set as default? [14:00] 3.0 [14:00] ok [14:00] if 3.0 what custom command did you use? [14:00] I diffed the environments [14:00] there are way too many library paths and MOZILLA-something environment variables set from thunderbird [14:01] 3.0~b3~hg20090712r3055 works here [14:01] the ff-3.5 script should clean the variables in any case [14:01] * gnomefreak blames the upstream build :) [14:01] I don't remember what is the proper way, though [14:02] Le-Chuck_ITA: i have a feeling using our build will fix it. but you may want to just download the .deb and install it instead of adding daily repos to sources.llist [14:02] gnomefreak: I want to try to fix the karmic version and report the bug [14:03]