[09:32] <asac> moin
[10:15] <EruditeHermit> fta: hi, did you ever try o3d?
[10:16] <asac> EruditeHermit: his GPU doesnt work with it
[10:17] <asac> same for me
[10:17] <EruditeHermit> sucks
[10:17] <EruditeHermit> what GPUs do you guys have?
[10:17] <asac> intel and ati
[10:17] <asac> and he has nvidia ;)
[10:17] <asac> lol
[10:17] <EruditeHermit> oh
[10:17] <EruditeHermit> wth
[10:17] <EruditeHermit> I thought nvidia would workr
[10:17] <asac> maybe the non free driver?
[10:17] <asac> i dont think he uses non-free stuff
[10:18] <EruditeHermit> oh I see
[10:18] <asac> intel must work
[10:18] <asac> if that doesnt work, the plugin is useless
[10:18] <EruditeHermit> nah
[10:18] <asac> imho
[10:18] <EruditeHermit> intel cards suck
[10:18] <asac> well. intel has at least the best drivers
[10:18] <EruditeHermit> for 3D?
[10:18] <EruditeHermit> best open source drivers
[10:18] <asac> meaning: if o3d only works with proprietary nvidia thats pretty useless for linux
[10:19] <EruditeHermit> well thats the case
[10:19] <EruditeHermit> it probably needs OpenGL 2.1
[10:19] <asac> EruditeHermit: i would say that intel drivers are best for 3d. the card might not be as powerful, but in general the driveres are the best we have
[10:19] <EruditeHermit> they are the best open source drivers yes
[10:19] <EruditeHermit> the proprietary drivers are better drivers
[10:19] <EruditeHermit> but they are proprietary
[10:19] <asac> well
[10:20] <asac> fglrx never had compositing ... until they dropped support for my card completel
[10:20] <EruditeHermit> fglrx is actually pretty good on newer cards
[10:20] <EruditeHermit> I have an HD4850
[10:21] <EruditeHermit> but I also have a radeon 9600
[10:21] <EruditeHermit> so I know how that goes
[10:22] <asac> well its a shame. my card isnt really that old its a X1950 ... still support is dropped
[10:22] <EruditeHermit> but back to the point
[10:22] <EruditeHermit> o3d is a 3D plugin
[10:22] <EruditeHermit> if the drivers don't have 3d, its not o3d's fault
[10:22] <EruditeHermit> and the gallium drivers will have OpenGL 2.1 support and will probably be usable by years end
[10:23] <asac> intel has 3d support, doesnt it?
[10:23] <EruditeHermit> OpenGL 2.0 GLSL 1.10
[10:23] <EruditeHermit> not OpenGL 2.1 GLSL 1.20 +
[10:23] <EruditeHermit> which is what o3d requires I think
[10:24] <asac> then o3d shouldnt depend on that high requirements
[10:24] <EruditeHermit> lol
[10:24] <asac> what does it do that justifies so high bars?
[10:24] <EruditeHermit> its not actually that high
[10:24] <asac> is it Quake 5?
[10:24] <EruditeHermit> no
[10:24] <EruditeHermit> pretty much any game since 2003
[10:24] <EruditeHermit> =p
[10:24] <asac> so OpenGL 2.0 is what intel supports on its hardfware?
[10:24] <EruditeHermit> yes
[10:24] <EruditeHermit> as of now
[10:24] <asac> or is that a driver problem?=
[10:25] <EruditeHermit> oh
[10:25] <EruditeHermit> driver problem
[10:25] <EruditeHermit> the hardware can do 2.1
[10:25] <asac> what a mess
[10:25] <EruditeHermit> well
[10:25] <EruditeHermit> depends
[10:25] <EruditeHermit> what card do you have?
[10:25] <EruditeHermit> GMA 3100 +?
[10:25] <asac> 965
[10:25] <EruditeHermit> that can do 2.1
[10:25] <asac> no GMA 3100 has no free drivers either, does it?
[10:25] <asac> isnt that the poulsbo crap?
[10:25] <EruditeHermit> yeah it does
[10:25] <EruditeHermit> no
[10:25] <asac> ok
[10:25] <asac> then i mixed that up
[10:25] <EruditeHermit> that is GMA 500
[10:26] <EruditeHermit> GMA 3100 is 965 I think
[10:26] <EruditeHermit> 965 is the chipset
[10:26] <EruditeHermit> GMA 3100 is the card on that chipset
[10:26] <EruditeHermit> I THINK
[10:26] <EruditeHermit> not sure though
[10:26] <asac> i dont think so
[10:26] <asac> i thought the cards were really called 3x000
[10:26] <asac> at least i was looking into buying a motherboard with one of the 3x000 series
[10:26] <asac> but i have no clue ;)
[10:26] <asac> better ask one of our X guys
[10:27] <EruditeHermit> nope
[10:27] <EruditeHermit> I'm right
[10:27] <EruditeHermit> 965 is the chipset
[10:27] <EruditeHermit> the card is called GMA 3100 if mobility
[10:27] <EruditeHermit> or GMA 3000 if desktop
[10:27] <asac> hmm
[10:27] <EruditeHermit> GMA X3100
[10:27] <EruditeHermit> GMA X3000
[10:28] <EruditeHermit> my bad
[10:28] <EruditeHermit> but yes
[10:28] <asac> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[10:28] <asac> thats what it tells me
[10:28] <EruditeHermit> ok from wikipedia
[10:28] <EruditeHermit> The GMA X3100 is the mobile version of the GMA X3000 used in the Intel GL960 and GM965 chipsets.
[10:28] <asac> oh cool
[10:28] <asac> so great
[10:29] <EruditeHermit> and those can do OpenGL 2.1
[10:29] <EruditeHermit> infact hang on a sec
[10:29] <asac> i can dump my ati card in the river then and buy a motherboard with that one integrated i guess
[10:29] <asac> havent seen a standalone card for intel yet
[10:29] <EruditeHermit> well don't dump the ATI card in the river
[10:29] <EruditeHermit> I wonder
[10:29] <EruditeHermit> can you try something for me?
[10:29] <asac> its X1950 ... and its really useless
[10:29] <EruditeHermit> nah
[10:29] <asac> before hardy all was fine ... since then i cannot play any of my shooters
[10:30] <EruditeHermit> give it 3-6 months and it will have OpenGL 2.1+ drivers
[10:30] <asac> unreal/quake, even ET Wolfenstein didnt work with fglrx we had in hardy
[10:30] <EruditeHermit> right
[10:30] <EruditeHermit> but the open source drivers will be ready by then
[10:30] <asac> EruditeHermit: well. upstream folks always tell me that my card supports compiz with ati driver
[10:30] <asac> but it doesnt
[10:30] <EruditeHermit> yeah it does
[10:30] <asac> then they wonder .. hmm ... but all 5x0 are supported
[10:30] <EruditeHermit> wait
[10:31] <asac> then i show them the output and they say ... oh its probably one for those not supported ;)
[10:31] <EruditeHermit> really?
[10:31] <EruditeHermit> file a bug
[10:31] <asac> where?
[10:31] <EruditeHermit> it should work
[10:31] <asac> ;)
[10:31] <EruditeHermit> join #radeon a minute will you?
[10:31] <asac> yeah. thtas what bryce and timo tell me for two cycles now ;)
[10:32] <EruditeHermit> the bug needs to be filed at bugs.freedesktop.org
[10:32] <asac> yeah. i will do that in 5 minutes ... have to get coffee and turn my system on
[10:32] <EruditeHermit> ok
[10:32] <EruditeHermit> well on your intel box, want to try something?
[10:32] <EruditeHermit> actually
[10:32] <EruditeHermit> let me try it on my box
[10:40] <EruditeHermit> asac: when you get back, what happens when you boot the ati machine with the ati driver and type glxinfo
[10:40] <EruditeHermit> can you pastebin the output?
[10:42] <asac> EruditeHermit: glxinfo | pastebinit
[10:42] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/217737/
[10:42] <asac> lspci  | grep ATI | pastebinit
[10:42] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/217738/
[10:42] <EruditeHermit> compiz should work
[10:42] <EruditeHermit> what happens when you try?
[10:43] <asac> EruditeHermit: it complains that software rasterizer something
[10:43] <asac> EruditeHermit: have to chat with some customer for a bit ... bbiw
[10:46] <EruditeHermit> asac: try it again and paste the output to me
[10:47] <EruditeHermit> asac: also when yuo get a chance. Check to see if you have any fglrx packages stll installed
[10:47] <EruditeHermit> and purge them
[10:51] <asac> EruditeHermit: i already checked for fglrx a bunch of time.
[10:51] <asac> its not there ... no left-overs; nothing :)
[10:51] <asac> and yes, i had fglrx left-overs at some point, but the xperience was really worse
[10:51] <EruditeHermit> so what heppens when you try compiz now?
[10:51] <asac> EruditeHermit: let me run it again
[10:52] <asac> compiz --replace it is right?
[10:52] <EruditeHermit> should be
[10:52] <EruditeHermit> but
[10:52] <EruditeHermit> run it from desktop appearance in gnome
[10:53] <EruditeHermit> system-->preferences-->Appearance-->Visual effects
[10:53] <EruditeHermit> try that first since it might set some env variables and run it
[10:53] <asac> EruditeHermit: http://paste.ubuntu.com/217749/
[10:53] <asac> EruditeHermit: i am sure visual effects doesnt enable it ... i tried it recently again (once a month i hope for a fix )
[10:53] <asac> is there any output you expect?
[10:54] <asac> it tells me "desktop effects couldnt be enabled"
[10:55] <EruditeHermit> ok
[10:55] <asac> any log i should paste?
[10:55] <EruditeHermit> one sec
[10:55] <EruditeHermit> well
[10:55] <asac> i think i even tried to force compiz at some point
[10:55] <asac> but it was like 1 frame per second ... and all white
[10:55] <asac> i can also join #radeon if thats better
[10:55] <asac> EruditeHermit: ^^
[10:55] <EruditeHermit> well
[10:55] <EruditeHermit> you may want to ask them in there too
[10:56] <EruditeHermit> and file a bug report
[10:56] <EruditeHermit> because its really strange
[10:57] <EruditeHermit> asac: btw do you have that intel card?
[10:57] <asac> which one?
[10:57] <EruditeHermit> GMA 3100
[10:57] <asac> the one i pasted? yes, i pasted it live
[10:57] <EruditeHermit> ok
[10:58] <EruditeHermit> can you try something for me?
[10:58] <EruditeHermit> so that we can see if o3d works?
[10:58] <asac> 11:28 < asac> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller  (rev 0c)
[10:58] <bluekuja> good morning
[10:58] <asac> EruditeHermit: i can check the dailies again if you want
[10:58] <EruditeHermit> asac: can you install xorg-edgers PPA?
[10:58] <asac> EruditeHermit: but i probably cannot build the beast with the non-existing time i currently have ;)
[10:58] <asac> EruditeHermit: for ati?
[10:58] <asac> or intel?
[10:58] <EruditeHermit> it has Mesa which gives your card OpenGL 2.1 support
[10:58] <EruditeHermit> intel
[10:59] <asac> EruditeHermit: ok, so dailies with o3d + edgets might work?
[10:59] <asac> i will check that later then
[10:59] <asac> hi bluekuja
[10:59] <EruditeHermit> yeah
[11:00] <asac> need to finish some stuff
[11:00] <bluekuja> asac, hello :)
[11:00] <EruditeHermit> asac: is it jaunty you are using?
[11:00] <EruditeHermit> asac: or karmic?
[11:01] <EruditeHermit> well ok I'll let you go
[11:01] <EruditeHermit> I have to sleep anyhow
[11:01] <EruditeHermit> we'll pick this up tomorrow if you are about and have time
[11:04] <asac> EruditeHermit: karmic
[11:05] <EruditeHermit> yeah it will probably work with edgers
[11:05] <EruditeHermit> though someone I am talking with says its unstable
[11:05] <EruditeHermit> so maybe just to test you can do it
[11:05] <EruditeHermit> but revert back to karmic mesa once we're done
[11:05] <EruditeHermit> mesa 7.6 adds the OpenGL 2.1 support
[11:05] <EruditeHermit> karmic has mesa 7.5
[11:06] <wizkoder> hy everybody
[11:07] <EruditeHermit> asac: gnight
[11:08] <asac> 'night
[11:11] <wizkoder> I am trying around with songbird as the new amarok is still very buggy. is it possible to have an icon in the tray? anybody knows this program?
[11:13] <asac> wizkoder: the songbird guy usually here, isnt here right now
[11:13] <asac> wizkoder: but we are usually dealing with ubuntu specific things here
[11:13] <asac> so maybe check the upstream #songbird channel ... if there is any ;)
[11:13] <wizkoder> there is none :-(
[11:13] <wizkoder> But I use ubuntu .-)
[11:14] <asac> irc.mozilla.org, #songbird
[11:14] <asac> ?
[11:14] <asac> there is one
[11:14] <asac> pretty crowded even
[11:14] <asac> wizkoder: yeah. but you are not using our builds, do you?
[11:15] <asac> anyway, thats an upstream issue in general i would think, so better ask there. If you could keep us updated on what they say that would be precious
[11:15] <wizkoder> didn't find it in the repos. have kubuntu hardy here at work
[11:15] <asac> we have no official builds
[11:15] <asac> anyway, ask in #songbird on irc.mozilla.org server
[12:28] <gnomefreak> where are sound files kept?
[12:29] <asac> gnomefreak: somewhere in /usr/share ;)
[12:30] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks. tbird3 doesnt have a default sound it seems just a system beep
[12:30] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah. i think tbird needs canberra support
[12:30] <asac> i guess they dont have that yet
[12:30] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:30] <asac> though its in the xulrunner they use
[12:30] <asac> so maybe its just a configuration thing
[12:31] <asac> maybe its only on trunk, that would mean that tbird 3.1 should have it
[12:31] <gnomefreak> we already have support for canberra as i recall maybe xulrunner doesnt support it?
[12:32] <asac> gnomefreak: i thought it was on 1.9.1 ... 1.9.2 definitly supports it (thats what i just said)
[12:32] <fta> asac, o3d works for me on nvidia 32.
[12:32] <asac> fta: good ;)
[12:32] <asac> fta: so intel might work with edgers
[12:33] <asac> ppa
[12:33] <fta> intel x64 fails because of this:
[12:33] <fta> libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/tls/i965_dri.so
[12:33] <fta> libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so
[12:33] <fta> libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64)
[12:33] <fta> libGL error: unable to load driver: i965_dri.so
[12:33] <fta> libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/tls/swrast_dri.so
[12:33] <fta> libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so
[12:33] <fta> libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64)
[12:33] <fta> libGL error: unable to load driver: swrast_dri.so
[12:33] <fta> libGL error: reverting to indirect rendering
[12:34] <asac> yeah. but it doesnt work on 32 bit from what he told anyway
[12:35] <fta> he?
[12:35] <asac> fta: intel doesnt have opengl 2.1 support
[12:35] <asac> in fact only nvidia and fglrx support that atm
[12:36] <asac> thats what he just told me
[12:36] <gnomefreak> all graphic drivers have problems (not all of each type but each has some bugs. nvidiia 173 drivers are broken 180 has issues. dont remember ati but they were having issues as of last week. and people have said intel has alot of them atm
[12:36] <asac> and he didnt sound he didnt know what he is talking about ;)
[12:36] <gnomefreak> maybe thats why :)
[12:36] <asac> he said that my ati card would get support for opengl 2.1 in 3-6 month ;) (open source driver)
[12:37] <asac> thats supposed to be the time when i can play quake and friends ;)
[12:37] <asac> again
[12:37] <fta> i've been told the intel guys are working to make o3d work with their chipsets
[12:37] <asac> fta: yes. they are working on opengl 2.1 support. the mesa you need is in the xorg-edgers ppa
[12:37] <asac> but its not in karmic
[12:37] <asac> 12:04 < EruditeHermit> yeah it will probably work with edgers
[12:37] <asac> 12:05 < EruditeHermit> though someone I am talking with says its unstable
[12:37] <asac> 12:05 < EruditeHermit> so maybe just to test you can do it
[12:37] <asac> 12:05 < EruditeHermit> but revert back to karmic mesa once we're done
[12:37] <asac> 12:05 < EruditeHermit> mesa 7.6 adds the OpenGL 2.1 support
[12:38] <asac> 12:05 < EruditeHermit> karmic has mesa 7.5
[12:38] <asac> 12:04 < EruditeHermit> yeah it will probably work with edgers
[12:38] <asac> 12:05 < EruditeHermit> though someone I am talking with says its unstable
[12:38] <asac> 12:05 < EruditeHermit> so maybe just to test you can do it
[12:38] <asac> 12:05 < EruditeHermit> but revert back to karmic mesa once we're done
[12:38] <asac> 12:05 < EruditeHermit> mesa 7.6 adds the OpenGL 2.1 support
[12:38] <asac> 12:05 < EruditeHermit> karmic has mesa 7.5
[12:38] <asac> oops
[12:38] <asac> double paste. sorr
[12:38]  * asac blames his mouse
[12:39] <asac> i plan to try the edgers ppa later today or tomorrow
[12:39] <gnomefreak> problem i had was reverting back to karmics X packages
[12:39] <asac> gnomefreak: with edgers?
[12:39] <gnomefreak> asac: nvidia support still was broken as of last week
[12:39] <asac> in karmic?
[12:39] <asac> i thin fta runs it properly
[12:39] <gnomefreak> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[12:39] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah
[12:40] <asac> fta: are you using backport modules for you nc10 wifi?
[12:40] <asac> a friend complained about low throughput in jaunty
[12:40] <gnomefreak> nvidia 173 drivers didnt work with it. IIRC 180 was fixed in karmic and PPA at one point but karmic still has issues
[12:42] <gnomefreak> 173 == legacy as of Karmic so i guess it has something to do with downgrade. upstream drivers work great though
[12:42] <fta> i use 180
[12:42] <gnomefreak> ill be back in a few
[12:43] <fta> 185.18.14-0ubuntu3
[12:57] <fta> asac, i don't run edger on this laptop (dell). and i'm not sure it will help with the ia32 issues
[12:57] <asac> unlikely
[12:57] <asac> but the ia32 issue doesnt matter if it doesnt work anyway ;)
[12:57] <asac> why cant o3d be built with 64-bit?
[12:58] <fta> because it uses v8
[12:58] <asac> sigh
[12:58] <fta> it ships v8
[12:58] <fta> v8 is making some progress toward native x64 though
[13:02] <gnomefreak> ok 1. what is o3d. 2. as32 seems to have issues for a while (the libs at least)
[13:02] <gnomefreak> s/as32/aia32
[13:02] <gnomefreak> damnit you know what i mean
[13:03] <asac> fta: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libselinux/2.0.82-1ubuntu2
[13:04] <fta> good
[13:04] <asac> so hurry before something else fails ,)
[13:04] <fta> gnomefreak, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-webtech/+archive/o3d-daily
[13:04] <gnomefreak> the intel drivers are for 910 or all?
[13:05] <asac> 910?
[13:05] <asac> dont know that ;)
[13:05] <asac> ah karmic
[13:05] <asac> i dont know
[13:05] <asac> checkout the pool ;)
[13:05] <asac> or the ppa page
[13:05] <gnomefreak> someone asked me so i figured i ask since we were on this topic a little while ago :)
[13:07] <gnomefreak> thanks looking at the LP page
[13:08] <gnomefreak> why doesnt tbird build same time as FF in daily PPA
[13:09] <gnomefreak> that looks like its a good idea. lets see if 173 works with it :)
[13:12] <gnomefreak> ok so the example page for o3d requires o3d (not helpful if you want to see them before installing it
[13:13] <fta> http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2009/04/google-releases-3d-graphics-plugin-for-browsers.ars
[13:14] <gnomefreak> fta: thanks, looking
[13:14] <fta> http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2009/04/toward-open-web-standard-for-3d.html
[13:16] <gnomefreak> oh this is nice
[13:24] <gnomefreak> ok it doesnt work with 173 i guess
[13:26] <gnomefreak> only 6200 and up it seems. i dont want to buy anohter card (they are not exactly ceep anymore)
[13:28] <gnomefreak> tigerdirect == compusa now?
[13:38] <gnomefreak> can i get a divorce before im married :(
[13:42] <gnomefreak> hmmm 6200 is not too badly  $35.99-59.99
[13:48] <gnomefreak> asac: did you push fixed ubufox to Karmic?
[13:48]  * gnomefreak thinks it might still be broken
[13:49] <asac> gnomefreak: i uploaded it yes. not sure if you already got it
[13:49] <asac> it works with 3.0/3.5 and 3.6
[13:49] <asac> for me here ;)
[13:49] <gnomefreak> asac: someone says launching 3.5 fails but using tbird to launch it it works
[13:50] <gnomefreak> i asked him to join me here but i doubt it :)
[13:50] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: hi
[13:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi :)
[13:50] <gnomefreak> asac: disabling ubufox fixed it.
[13:51] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: what version of ubufox are you running?
[13:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnomefreak:  0.7
[13:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah
[13:51] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: apt-cache policy ubufox
[13:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but launching firefox from my custom script also showed the buttons
[13:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am so puzzled
[13:52] <gnomefreak> asac: 0.7-0ubuntu1 is not the fixed one is it?
[13:52] <gnomefreak> although i have no issues here
[13:52]  * gnomefreak needs to find a changelog command :)
[13:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnomefreak: ok I can confirm that firefox-3.5 is not opening if launched from thunderbird, while firefox 3.0 does
[13:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I still think it's a script problem
[13:54] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: your custom script i cant help with but i remember we updated ubufox to support 3.5 and it was pushed but we may not have it yet
[13:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the only argument passed is the url
[13:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnomefreak: no it's not my custom script
[13:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it's yours :)
[13:55] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: it works launching ff-3.5 alone but using tbird it doesnt?
[13:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I don't understand why, but if launched from thunderbird 3, firefox 3.5 does not open, firefox 3.0 does, and using the command line, it works
[13:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> (last thing answers your question)
[13:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it must be some environment variable not cleaned up
[13:56] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: look in system>preferences>defaul apps and see if you 3.0 is set to default. it is by default since its still in archives
[13:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnomefreak: I have put ff 3.5 in my default apps
[13:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> if I put 3.0 there it works
[13:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> (but it is ff 3.0 indeed)
[13:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnomefreak: two days ago it worked, I put the full path there
[13:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am using karmic so I suspect some recent upgrade
[13:57] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: i as revall 3.5 hasnt been updated in repos
[13:57] <gnomefreak> recall
[13:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnomefreak: apt-cache show firefox-3.5 :)
[13:57] <gnomefreak> at least not in a week
[13:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah ok
[13:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks
[13:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it must be a quarrel with tb
[13:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> in any case
[13:58] <gnomefreak> yeah it hasnt been updated since final
[13:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> idea, will diff the two envs
[13:58] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: 3.0 from daily repos?
[13:58] <gnomefreak> eh
[13:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no from the websit
[13:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> e
[13:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> b1
[13:58] <gnomefreak> tbird-3.0 from daily?
[13:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> tb 3.0 b1
[13:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> b2
[13:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sorry
[13:59] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: well that could be an issue all on its own.
[13:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnomefreak: firefox should open!
[13:59] <gnomefreak> mine works fine from daily :) but i dont suggest running it
[13:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but as they have many things in common
[13:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it may be some MOZILLA_* environment variable
[13:59] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: running 3.5 from CLI works? clicking on icon works?
[13:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes and yes
[14:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> even dragging the link from tb on the icon works :)
[14:00] <gnomefreak> what tbird is set as default?
[14:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> 3.0
[14:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok
[14:00] <gnomefreak> if 3.0 what custom command did you use?
[14:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I diffed the environments
[14:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> there are way too many library paths and MOZILLA-something environment variables set from thunderbird
[14:01] <gnomefreak> 3.0~b3~hg20090712r3055 works here
[14:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the ff-3.5 script should clean the variables in any case
[14:01]  * gnomefreak blames the upstream build :)
[14:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I don't remember what is the proper way, though
[14:02] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: i have a feeling using our build will fix it. but you may want to just download the .deb and install it instead of adding daily repos to sources.llist
[14:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnomefreak: I want to try to fix the karmic version and report the bug
[14:03] <gnomefreak> asac: do you remember what you did to sunbird debian/rules to help clean up the nobinonly crap? i can look but was hoping you remember ;)
[14:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> "> MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/home/vincenzo/local-programs/thunderbird
[14:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> "
[14:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> that's surely the problem
[14:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> damn thunderbird
[14:03] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: without using script does it all work good?
[14:04]  * gnomefreak goes to look at what he did 
[14:04]  * gnomefreak thought we use get-orig-source but could be wrong 
[14:05] <gnomefreak> oh crap
[14:05] <gnomefreak> asac: we still use update-orig for sunbird?
[14:07] <asac> gnomefreak: you said it was broken, right?
[14:07] <gnomefreak> asac: looking at changes you made in r -116 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/sunbird/ubuntu-0.x.9.10/revision/116 but i am gonna try something
[14:07] <gnomefreak> asac: gedt-orig-source fails
[14:07] <gnomefreak> but if we are still using update-orig than i need to test (has to remember how to use it) ;)
[14:08] <gnomefreak> well it seems we use update-orig still but damnit still fails
[14:09] <gnomefreak> no lied same error. smoke than work on this
[14:10] <gnomefreak> asac: missing rule to make. i cant see why the line you removed would make that fail
[14:10] <gnomefreak> smoke
[14:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> nope
[14:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I quit for today
[14:16] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: ok
[14:16]  * gnomefreak wonders if source is used with update
[14:17] <gnomefreak> nope
[14:17] <gnomefreak> maybe ill get up with reed and he can give me a hand on the m-d work
[14:18] <gnomefreak> before the 27th
[14:20] <gnomefreak> asac: is there a reason we are using include $(CURDIR)/debian/cdbs-rules/debhelper.mk and not include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk in sunbird
[14:22] <asac> gnomefreak: yes. we have patched it
[14:22] <asac> to allow filtering files depending on the package name
[14:23] <asac> we use that for gnome support stuff
[14:23] <gnomefreak> asac: but only in sunbird?
[14:23] <gnomefreak> seamonkey is include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk
[14:25] <gnomefreak> ok none of my hacks are inclusing in branch. i dont see anything that we changed that would throw this error. there is a rule to make it. i wonder if this is due to the 0.9 move
[14:25] <asac> gnomefreak: if seamonke doesnt use it, then yeah. most likely seamonkey dosent have a special gnome-support package
[14:25] <gnomefreak> the following makes me think that:
[14:25] <gnomefreak> make: *** No rule to make target `lightning-sunbird-0.9-source.tar.bz2', needed by `lightning-sunbird-0.9+nobinonly-source.tar.bz2'.  Stop.
[14:26] <bluekuja> asac, any news?
[14:26] <asac> gnomefreak: i dont even know what your error is
[14:26] <gnomefreak> asac: ^^^
[14:26] <asac> bluekuja: asking wont make things faster
[14:26] <bluekuja> asac, I know
[14:26] <asac> good
[14:27] <bluekuja> asac, I don't see the time to have them in
[14:27] <bluekuja> that's all
[14:27] <bluekuja> ^^
[14:27] <asac> it will be done. more i cant tell
[14:28] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: you here?
[14:28]  * gnomefreak has idea
[14:28] <bluekuja> asac, owk
[14:30] <asac> gnomefreak: can you send me a dent please (just something)
[14:30] <asac> gnomefreak: you need to put the lightning-sunbird-0.9-source.tar.bz2 in the top level dir before running get-orig-source most likely
[14:30] <asac> i dont think we implemented anything smarter for sunbird
[14:30] <gnomefreak> asac: that would be bad to do
[14:30] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah give me a minute
[14:31] <gnomefreak> asac: but that might be right
[14:31] <asac> gnomefreak: just download the bz2 and put it in top level of your branch
[14:31] <asac> you can remove it right after it produced the orig for you
[14:31] <asac> of course no need to commit it ... it just needs to be whereeve you run the get-orig-source in
[14:31] <eagles0513875> hey gnomefreak
[14:31] <eagles0513875> whats up
[14:32] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: hey. i think we found the issue :)
[14:32] <eagles0513875> :)
[14:32] <eagles0513875> whats wrong with the widget
[14:33] <gnomefreak> asac: ok sent dent
[14:33] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: what widget?
[14:33] <eagles0513875> the plasma-widget-network-manager
[14:33] <gnomefreak> oh that
[14:34] <eagles0513875> u talking about something else
[14:34] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: yeah
[14:34] <eagles0513875> what was the other issue
[14:34] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: sunbird problem i wanted you to test but asac reminded me of something i long forgot
[14:34] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:35] <eagles0513875> let me know when ya ready for me to test it
[14:35] <gnomefreak> k
[14:44] <asac> gnomefreak: did you really dent something?
[14:44] <asac> with @asac ?
[14:44] <asac> gnomefreak: can you reply to some dent i made?
[14:44] <gnomefreak> asac: thinking about needing the source is a bad idea. 1. we cant use ours (why want to) and upstream is named wrong and need lightning too?
[14:44] <gnomefreak> asac: i did
[14:44] <gnomefreak> asac: the dent about ubufox 0.8
[14:45] <asac> hmm ... didnt show up yet in gwibber. guess i have to wait
[14:45] <gnomefreak> also with hg system you cant just download the tarball anyway
[14:45] <gnomefreak> it didnt show up here either :( let me try again maybe you changed your name
[14:45] <asac> gnomefreak: you didnt: http://identi.ca/gnomefreak
[14:45] <gnomefreak> for some reason it wasnt asac it was asacac or something
[14:46] <asac> gnomefreak: that would be on twitter, but it isnt: http://twitter.com/gnomefreak
[14:46] <asac> gnomefreak: please reply on identica using the web interface maybe ;
[14:46] <gnomefreak> ok will try
[14:49] <gnomefreak> ok sent and it shows up on you web page
[14:49] <gnomefreak> why the fuck didnt it work from gwibber than :(
[14:49] <eagles0513875> :(
[14:51] <gnomefreak> oh maybe yours was a twitter and i changed the nick to asac ha i think i understand now.
[14:51] <eagles0513875> hehe
[14:52]  * eagles0513875 thinks operator error replace operator gnomefreak :P
[14:52] <gnomefreak> asac: next time you post something let me know i want to try something. that may also be the reason for someone else not getting dent from me
[14:52] <gnomefreak> :)
[14:52] <gnomefreak> use same names and this problem goes away
[14:53] <asac> gnomefreak: well tell that the twitter user not-using my nick asac
[14:53] <asac> its an abandoned account, but still they dont free it as it seems
[14:54] <asac> gnomefreak: ok thanks. it worked
[14:54] <gnomefreak> asac: ok cool just reply to it i want to test something here to see if it was me
[14:55] <asac> gnomefreak: no i already saw that it was you ;)
[14:55] <gnomefreak> asac: using tar.bz is really not working. something is wrong here
[14:55] <gnomefreak> oh damn
[14:55] <gnomefreak> i used the .gz that we upload since we dont push a .bz
[14:56] <asac> gnomefreak: i said: put the bz2 in the top level dir and then run get-orig-source to produce a orig.tar.gz out of it
[14:57] <asac> maybe you need to put it in parent dir even
[14:57] <gnomefreak> asac: cant. there is no bz2 anywhere
[14:57] <asac> gnomefreak: there is upstream one
[14:57] <asac> idea is that you just put the upstram one there
[14:57] <gnomefreak> asac: not that i saw.
[14:58] <asac> then the get-orig-source wont work as it is i am sure
[14:58] <asac> gnomefreak: http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/releases/0.9/source/
[14:58] <gnomefreak> asac: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird/ doesnt have one
[14:58] <asac> well dont look there
[14:58] <asac> look on ftp ;)
[14:59] <gnomefreak> i thought ftp wasnt being used due to hg?
[14:59] <asac> as i said, we dont support hg in sunbird package yet
[15:00] <asac> just the upstream tarballs
[15:00] <asac> and no. mozilla does all releases through ftp
[15:00] <asac> its just that we want dailes and snapshots before they release for most packages
[15:00] <asac> thats why we doi it
[15:00] <gnomefreak> asac: that explains why i cant get 1.0 source
[15:00]  * eagles0513875 sits quietly and watches the discussion
[15:01] <gnomefreak> that is gonna need alot of work to get it to use hg
[15:01] <eagles0513875> dont mean to interrupt is there firefox source code available so i could compile it from source
[15:01] <gnomefreak> not sure its worth it since sunbird is being dropped
[15:01] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: our repos
[15:01] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: hg for nightly ftp for released
[15:01] <gnomefreak> pick one
[15:01] <eagles0513875> nothing from upstream itself
[15:02] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/
[15:02] <eagles0513875> ty gnomefreak
[15:02] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: np but 3.6 isnt there
[15:02] <eagles0513875> doesnt matter 3.5 source from upstream will work for me
[15:03] <eagles0513875> not really after the bleeding edge stuff thats still in dev more just having the code to compile for my hardware more like it
[15:03] <gnomefreak> asac: let me know if you get that dent
[15:03] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: cool
[15:04] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: are you having issues when rebooting where it doesnt even allow you to choose a kernel. cuz the only way for me to choose a kernel is if i shutdown then restart it
[15:04] <gnomefreak> so i wait for 1.0 release (whatever final will be named than test it
[15:04] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: nope
[15:04] <eagles0513875> strange
[15:04] <eagles0513875> so your setup lets you see the grub menu
[15:04] <gnomefreak> oh well that i couldnt tell you but as of a few days ago no i wasnt having that problem
[15:05] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: i will test when i find out the problem in sunbird. hopfully this works
[15:05] <eagles0513875> hummm strange since upgrading from jaunty 64 to karmic 64bit i have always had this issue
[15:05] <gnomefreak> ok why is gwibber posting to twitter if i dont have twitter enabled to be posted to
[15:06] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: you are using grub1
[15:06] <gnomefreak> grub 0.97 or whatever?
[15:06] <eagles0513875> ahhhhh so should i run grub-install again
[15:06] <gnomefreak> i never got grub2 on upgrade
[15:07] <gnomefreak> asac: ok sunbird is ready to be pushed than. no changes needed for get-orig
[15:07] <eagles0513875> would me installing grub2 automatically remove grub1
[15:08] <eagles0513875> nm answered my own question
[15:08] <eagles0513875> lets see if this fixes it or i screw up my whole install
[15:08] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: not sure. i reinstalled to get grub2 but installing grub2 didnt rtemove 1 in jaunty IIRC
[15:08]  * gnomefreak thinks option 2 but i hope not
[15:08] <gnomefreak> get doesnt work :(
[15:09] <gnomefreak> asac: ok update-orig works in sunbird
[15:09] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: i think that was fixed cuz on what would be installed and what would be removed grub was gonna be removed
[15:09] <eagles0513875> lets see
[15:09] <eagles0513875> rebooting now to see what i brok
[15:09] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: good luck
[15:10] <eagles0513875> strange still nothing but for some reason the other day i had to boot into single user mode and it seems to constantly boot into run level one for some reason
[15:11] <eagles0513875> strange
[15:12] <eagles0513875> i still dont have an option to esc into the grub menu though
[15:12] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: make sure upstrart is still held back
[15:12]  * gnomefreak smoke + phone
[15:12] <eagles0513875> ok
[15:14] <eagles0513875> asac: there seems to be a rather serious problem in ubuntu+1
[15:14] <asac> topic?
[15:15] <eagles0513875> live cd and net install of karmic not sure if thats ur department or not
[15:15] <eagles0513875> grub seems to be working
[15:15] <eagles0513875> grub2 alot more colorful then grub1
[15:16] <asac> thats usually not my topic ...whats the problem?
[15:17] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: i have a feeling you removed something needed if you dist-upgraded to karmic
[15:17] <gnomefreak> upstart wouldnt cause your issue but maybe a dep did
[15:17] <eagles0513875> possibly grub 2 is now installed but seems to be reading from the hdd excessivly
[15:17] <eagles0513875> asac: the problem is someone is trying to get karmic installed
[15:17] <eagles0513875> upgrading from jaunty to karmic didnt work for him and live cd and net install failed in the same way
[15:18] <eagles0513875> not sure about the details though
[15:18] <asac> eagles0513875: thats none of my business ;)
[15:18] <eagles0513875> asac: gotcha someone else to the rescue
[15:18] <gnomefreak> grub2 is nicer but still dont have theme support
[15:18] <eagles0513875> im not worried about that now
[15:18] <eagles0513875> i have no way to get onto my system now :(
[15:18] <asac> eagles0513875: so its you who has the problem?
[15:19] <eagles0513875> no someone else in ubuntu+1
[15:19] <eagles0513875> but now im having an issue with grub 2 not booting for me
[15:19] <asac> ok ... well i dont know and have no time ;)
[15:19] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: clean install :) use atlternate installer it works. well encryption failed during install but everything  else works
[15:19] <asac> eagles0513875: i think thats what users call for if they go for karmic now. he needs to file a bug
[15:19] <gnomefreak> agreed
[15:19] <eagles0513875> ya
[15:19] <gnomefreak> why is gwibber broken damnit
[15:20] <eagles0513875> good lord that took a while but now its booting
[15:20] <asac> gnomefreak: which version?
[15:20] <gnomefreak> 1.2.0~bzr349-0ubuntu1~daily1 asac
[15:20] <gnomefreak> i know its a daily
[15:20] <asac> thts ok
[15:20] <asac> gnomefreak: how is it broken?
[15:21] <gnomefreak> asac: wont let me post to identca even though its the only one i have enabed to post to
[15:22] <asac> gnomefreak: if you right click on the text input field is "identica" checked?
[15:22] <asac> gnomefreak: also, do you see errors on the terminal?
[15:23] <gnomefreak> asac: yes only one that is checked
[15:23] <gnomefreak> asac: no
[15:23] <gnomefreak> errorrs
[15:23] <asac> what happens if you post?
[15:24] <gnomefreak> let me check if i can post to asac
[15:24] <gnomefreak> but last time it didnt work
[15:24] <gnomefreak> asac: that is why you didnt get it
[15:24] <asac> sometimes identica is a problem in itself e.g. server bustage
[15:24] <gnomefreak> asac: web UI worked
[15:26] <gnomefreak> asac: its only sending to you that is broken :)
[15:26] <eagles0513875> hehe
[15:26] <gnomefreak> asac: asac is you ident nick right?
[15:26] <eagles0513875> we talking a widget that sends messages to people here
[15:26] <gnomefreak> asacasa is your twitter nick but sending to asac fails
[15:26] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: gwibber
[15:27] <gnomefreak> firefox reached 971 million downloads
[15:27] <eagles0513875> if you want to see if the same issue exists with me ill install it after installing some updates
[15:27] <eagles0513875> on kubuntu
[15:27] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: make an identca account and try to sedn to asac let me know if it posts
[15:28] <eagles0513875> ok
[15:29] <gnomefreak> isnt chmod 777 everyone can run write exec?
[15:30] <gnomefreak> updating my iso atm since everything but m-d is done on my end maybe ill work on SM 2.1 but would rather fix 2.0 first and i cant :(
[15:31] <gnomefreak> if i had 20+ hours i would grab the dvd image
[15:31] <gnomefreak> although i hear its pretty much just lang packs that are added
[15:32] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: why download something that big when you can install from repos
[15:32] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: to test it
[15:32] <eagles0513875> to test the installation process
[15:32]  * gnomefreak likes my script for updating my ISO and grabbing iso's :)
[15:32] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: yes
[15:33] <gnomefreak> but im sure smae problems as live cd
[15:34] <gnomefreak> shit what happened to gwibber :(
[15:36] <gnomefreak> ok tbird-3 sound works i just need to find something alot better to play
[15:37] <eagles0513875> hehe play a good song
[15:37] <gnomefreak> noo good sound choices that i have found
[15:37] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: is gwibber version 1.2.0~bzr346-0ubuntu1
[15:38] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: how bout some guns and roses sweet child of mine
[15:38] <gnomefreak> tbird-3 doesnt play mp3s just .wav
[15:38] <eagles0513875> would it play something off u tube
[15:39] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: any .wav i would think but not sure
[15:39] <gnomefreak> right now its freezing up for some damn reason im only running gwibber irssi and tbird i killed the iso update
[15:40] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: ill test reboot now. maybe something mem related
[15:40] <eagles0513875> mem related in what sense
[15:40] <gnomefreak> oh its gwibber i think but lets reboot and see if i can
[15:48] <eagles0513875> humm guess gnomefreak fell overboard
[15:57] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: thought you broke ur system
[15:57] <gnomefreak> no just wrong buttons being hit
[15:59] <gnomefreak> i think i found out the freezing bug. just need to hope tbird has a safe-mode
[16:01] <eagles0513875> guessing no replication of my issue
[16:01] <gnomefreak> yep i fixed it
[16:01] <gnomefreak> asac: tbird-3 seems to freeze when using a sound file other than default sound for new mail
[16:02] <gnomefreak> s/fixed/worked around
[16:04] <gnomefreak> oh this is not good sounding :( "writing a replacement of gdm"
[16:06] <eagles0513875> O_O
[16:06] <eagles0513875> that doesnt sound good at all
[16:07] <gnomefreak> > Also, there seems to be no real way to change settings with the new GDM.
[16:07] <gnomefreak> ... and that one. Robert Ancell recently mentioned that he wants to
[16:07] <gnomefreak> look into writing a replacement for the new gdm.
[16:12] <eagles0513875> man thats gotta be tricky
[16:12] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: question becomes how versed with x is this guy
[16:13] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: doht know who he is. i know martin but the guy working on replacemtn i dont know
[16:14] <eagles0513875> thats gonna be interesting  to see his undertaking of rewriting gdm
[16:17] <gnomefreak> not rewritting but writing a replacemtn for gdm
[16:32] <gnomefreak> !info ubufox hardy
[16:55] <gnomefreak> asac: ubufox 0.8 will not get fixes anymore right?
[16:56] <asac> gnomefreak: why do you think? its still 0.8a1
[16:56] <gnomefreak> asac: not in hardy
[16:56] <asac> so we are open for fixes ... if there is anything that is broken - even more so
[16:56] <asac> gnomefreak: ubufox 0.5 wont get fixes unless they are really severe
[16:57] <asac> but i cant believe there are any ... otherwise we probably would have heard of them
[16:57] <gnomefreak> i dont remember bug # but its fixed in 0.8 that much i remember
[16:58] <gnomefreak> asac: wheni see it again ill let you know
[16:59] <asac> probably. 0.8 is definitly better than 0.8 ;)
[16:59] <asac> err than 0.5
[17:01] <gnomefreak> asac: but we cant justify backporting 0.8 (at least i cant)
[17:03] <asac> gnomefreak: backport should be possible. but i wont do it. someone needs to do that from the community
[17:03] <asac> gnomefreak: if there are serious issues, we can address them individually - but as i said, i dont think there are any
[17:03] <gnomefreak> saok i will keep eyes open but most 0.5 bugs were fixed in later versions
[17:04] <gnomefreak> asac: you opened a bug about removing 3.0 from deps for ubufox. we shouldnt do that until 3.0 is removed from repos
[17:10]  * gnomefreak goes to do something for lunch. getting kind of tired. i also dread trying to fix m-d, there is no *easy* fix for it that i have thought of 
[18:23]  * asac goes outside for a bit
[18:25]  * gnomefreak goes for the rest of day i think, im getting really tried and to the point of not wanting to do anything
[18:26] <gnomefreak> asac: have fun :)
[18:26] <asac> gnomefreak: ok
[18:26] <asac> gnomefreak: about ubufox. its about the recommends vs suggests
[18:26] <asac> i think
[18:27] <asac> not about treating ffox 3 different vs 3.5
[18:27] <asac> gnomefreak: so you are blocked on m-d?
[18:27] <gnomefreak> drop 3.0 from deps should fix the issue
[18:27] <asac> what kind of help do you need to get unblocked?
[18:27] <gnomefreak> asac: oh yeah
[18:28] <gnomefreak> asac: i need to fix for sm2 but keep the 2.1  sunbird 1.0b* but sunbird can wait.
[18:29] <asac> gnomefreak: ok so you want support sm2 and 2.1 and sunbird 1.0?
[18:29] <asac> noted
[18:29] <gnomefreak> asac: im hoping SM is just link location change and sunbird would need a full re-write most like;y
[18:29] <asac> thanks. cant promise anything. have you started to do some work i could look at ?
[18:30] <gnomefreak> asac: yes right now the 2.0...conf has changed to 2.1 but not by us so i think link for 2.0 changed
[18:30] <asac> do we already have branches for sm 2.0 and sm 2.1 ?
[18:30] <asac> yeah
[18:30] <gnomefreak> asac: not yet i tried a few things but nothing i kept
[18:30] <gnomefreak> asac: not 2.1 yet was hoping to fix 2.0 first but need an updated tarball
[18:31] <gnomefreak> i will work on 2.1 maybe the next few days
[18:32] <gnomefreak> asac: since they are all using generic hg link i didnt see a way to adjust it. for SM2/2.1 atleast.
[18:33] <gnomefreak> ah yes adding git and (dont remember other one) to depends was another thought i had since git is needed to use it :) but thatsd simple shit ;)
[18:37] <asac> gnomefreak: ok thanks
[18:39] <gnomefreak> asac: np
[18:39] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks for looking into it if time allows
[18:40] <sebner> asac: did you include the patch already in the mozilla-daily repo?
[18:51] <asac> sebner: no
[18:51] <asac> sebner: request a merge ;) ... is probably fastest
[18:51] <asac> i failed on that
[18:51] <sebner> asac: merge? I'll post a debdiff! :D
[18:56] <asac> heh
[18:57] <sebner> asac: oldschool ftw!
[19:03] <gnomefreak> asac: im adding a real quick fix to sunbird should be done in like 3 minutes so whne you get to it
[19:09] <gnomefreak> ok that was easy enough. another bug down
[19:10] <sebner> asac: should I file the bug against ff3.6?
[19:10] <asac> sebner: no. thats why a debdiff is suboptimal ;)
[19:10] <asac> sebner: post it somewhere
[19:10] <asac> sebner: please name the patch like bzXXXXX_attXXXXXX
[19:10] <asac> like the other patches
[19:10] <asac> e.g. bug number and attachment number
[19:10] <sebner> asac: grr
[19:10] <asac> like all the others you see ther
[19:17] <sebner> asac: versionsnumber? or should I ignore changelog?
[19:19] <sebner> asac: well not writing a changelog entry is bad so what versionsnumber :)
[19:20] <gnomefreak> sebner: dch -i?
[19:20] <sebner> gnomefreak: I dunno if they want a  ..nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1ubuntu1
[19:20] <asac> sebner: the topmost changelog entry is probably UNRELEASED
[19:20] <gnomefreak> well for daily that wont work
[19:20] <asac> sebner: so add your new entry there to the bottom
[19:20] <asac> with your name like the other names
[19:21] <sebner> asac: karmic is top and no names at the botton O_o
[19:21] <asac> sebner: work on the branches
[19:22] <gnomefreak> ok branch is updating and im done for the day. anything else in sunbird needs to be fixed let me know tomorrow or by email :)
[19:23] <asac> sebner: there are names, like [ Alexander Sack ... ]
[19:24] <sebner> asac: weird. But I have currently is http://paste.ubuntu.com/218184/
[19:24] <asac> sebner: dont add a new changelog entry
[19:24] <asac> put it in the other
[19:25] <asac> you should really work on branches
[19:25] <asac> debdiffs just cause extra load ;)
[19:25] <asac> sebner: jsut give me the patch with the proper filename
[19:26] <sebner> asac: I should use epiphany to avoid problems and work :P
[19:26] <asac> epiphany wont crash less
[19:26]  * asac waits for patch to commit it
[19:26] <gnomefreak> epiphany has problems too ;)
[19:27] <gnomefreak> ok down to only upstart being held back :) now im gone for the rest of day
[19:28] <asac> https://bug493541.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=386469
[19:28] <asac> that one?
[19:28] <sebner> asac: sec
[19:29] <sebner> asac: ok. Now I totally f*cked up everything :\
[19:29] <asac> sebner: its ok
[19:29] <asac> i pick it now
[19:29] <sebner> asac: bah, all my hard work gone and extra work for you. Worst case
[19:29] <asac> sebner: no. the hard work was testing it
[19:29] <asac> thanks for that
[19:29] <asac> bzr commit -m '* bmo: #493541 - fix a crash which occurs switching flash videos to fullscreen mode; we cherry pick a patch from bugzilla; thanks to Stephan Ebner for spotting and testing this patch - add debian/patches/bz493541_att386469_fix_flash_fullscreen_crash.patch - update debian/patches/series'
[19:30] <asac> Committing to: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.2.head/
[19:30] <asac> modified debian/changelog
[19:30] <asac> added debian/patches/bz493541_att386469_fix_flash_fullscreen_crash.patch
[19:30] <asac> modified debian/patches/series
[19:30] <asac> sebner: or did you need to adjust the patch?
[19:30] <sebner> asac: that was yesterday. not remembering anymore ;)
[19:30] <sebner> asac: nope. applied
[19:30] <asac> ok
[19:30] <asac> Committed revision 474.
[19:31]  * sebner adds mozilla-daily repo
[19:32] <sebner> asac: if it works with 1.9.2 we have to check if for 1.9.1 too
[19:33] <EruditeHermit> asac: hey
[19:34] <asac> sebner: 1.9.1 crashes for you?
[19:35] <sebner> asac: sure. I told you I happens with ff3.5 and later confirmed it with ff3.6 :P
[19:35] <sebner> *i = it
[19:35] <asac> heh
[19:35] <asac> yeah
[19:36] <asac> i think we shouldnt add it to ffox 3.5 for now though. not until upstream has it in trunk baking for a while though
[19:36] <asac> at least ;)
[19:37] <sebner> kk
[19:39] <EruditeHermit> asac: did you get a chance to test o3d with the new mesa?
[19:42] <EruditeHermit> asac: it just worked for me with software rendering which has OGL 2.1 support
[19:43] <micahg> asac: we seem to keep running into trouble if pepole install more than one version of flash
[19:44] <micahg> can we make the flash packages conflict with each other?
[19:44] <micahg> *type of flash plugin
[19:45] <asac> micahg: is the problem that the plugin switcher does not work or that they dont discover it?
[19:46] <micahg> do you have to activate teh plugin switcher or does it automatically only enable one plugin?
[19:46] <micahg> it seems like Firefox is trying to use both
[19:46] <micahg> when one is removed, it starts working
[19:46] <asac> or maybe they dont even realize that their plugin isnt adobe flash?
[19:46] <micahg> I don't think that's it
[19:47] <asac> micahg: well. the order which is choosen as default is somewhat random if i am not mistaken.
[19:47] <micahg> but maybe the secondary plugin is incompatible with the flash site they are viewing?
[19:47] <asac> so that may confuse them
[19:48] <asac> micahg: so here is what i am thinking ...
[19:48] <asac> there are a few problems imo.
[19:48] <asac> 1. why did the user install multiple plugins in the first place
[19:48] <asac> 2. why does the user not notice that he isnt using the adobe flashplugin (even though i at least installed a different flashplayer explicitly)
[19:49] <asac> 3. if they notice its different, why dont they either find the switcher or get the idea of uninstalling the second flashplayer they installed
[19:50] <micahg> well, in general in Ubuntu, as long as packages don't conflict, there ususally isn't a reservation against installing multiple types of something
[19:50] <asac> i dont know how to answer that. i mean, assume we conflict the packages, now they do 1. .... then they are not really better off
[19:51] <micahg> I like the idea of the plugin switcher
[19:51] <micahg> but FF still seems to try to load both and use both
[19:51] <asac> because they dont understand that they are not using adobe flashplugin at all (and think its broken) - aka 2
[19:51] <micahg> at least for flash
[19:51] <micahg> I have a user who just uninstalled a plugin and it works fine
[19:51] <asac> or because they dont find the switcher (which is where they could also install a different flashplugin)
[19:51] <micahg> I'll have the user test further
[19:52] <asac> or they dont even understand that installing/removing packages might fix such a situation
[19:52] <micahg> switcher is in ubufox .7 and up, right?
[19:52] <asac> i added it in intrepid i think
[19:52] <asac> thats .6 iirc
[19:52] <micahg> ah, .6 then
[19:52] <micahg> ok
[19:52] <micahg> also, can I backport for myself ubufox .8, that is, will it compile in jaunty?
[19:53] <asac> so one major use-case why we did the switcher is to allow users to run a free flashplayer and if they need it switch to the proprietary one
[19:53] <asac> micahg: just checkout the branch, run sh build.sh ... and install the .xpi
[19:54] <asac> just remember that the .xpi will always own the system installed extension, so if you forget aobu it you might not get any updates at all ;)
[19:54] <micahg> that's why I figured I'd just backport the extension
[19:54] <micahg> that way, when I upgrade to karmic
[19:54] <micahg> it'll be automatic
[19:54] <asac> EruditeHermit: so i should test even ati with new mesa?
[19:55] <EruditeHermit> asac: no, only intel will work
[19:55] <asac> micahg: you can even install the deb directly
[19:55] <EruditeHermit> asac: you can test it with the software renderer on ati
[19:55] <asac> no need to backport
[19:55] <EruditeHermit> asac: if you are interested I can tell you how
[19:55] <micahg> ok
[19:55] <asac> EruditeHermit: thats what i ment. software renderer should work ... does that also require new mesa?
[19:56] <EruditeHermit> no
[19:56] <EruditeHermit> it works with any mesa
[19:56] <asac> EruditeHermit: which edgers should i enable?
[19:56] <asac>    Radeon crack - mesa testing
[19:56] <asac> that one?
[19:56] <asac> ;)
[19:56] <EruditeHermit> no
[19:57] <EruditeHermit> ok for radeon, you don't need to enable any edgers; you can do it using mesa software rendering
[19:57] <EruditeHermit> to do this
[19:57] <EruditeHermit> from a terminal type
[19:57] <EruditeHermit> LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=true firefox
[19:58] <EruditeHermit> once firefox has started go to an o3d demo and run it
[19:58] <EruditeHermit> assuming that you have o3d-plugin installed
[19:58] <EruditeHermit> next
[19:58] <EruditeHermit> for intel
[19:58] <EruditeHermit> get mesa package from here
[19:58] <EruditeHermit> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive
[19:58] <EruditeHermit> for karmic
[19:59] <EruditeHermit> libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri packages
[19:59] <EruditeHermit> then reboot and check glxinfo to see that it shows OpenGL 2.1 capability
[19:59] <EruditeHermit> then start firefox and visit an o3d page
[20:01] <asac> i am _supposed_ to run edgers ppa
[20:01] <asac> so i am installing it everywhere now first
[20:01] <asac> wish me luck ;)
[20:05] <EruditeHermit> asac: you can run edgers PPA, but what I do is download the packages individually and install them
[20:05] <EruditeHermit> asac: that way, when something breaks, I can revert it easily
[20:05] <EruditeHermit> asac: I was told that new mesa on intel is buggy so you want to be able to downgrade it after we are done testing
[20:12] <asac> EruditeHermit: i am voluntold to run edgers ... so no downgrading for me ;)
[20:12] <EruditeHermit> asac: =p
[20:20] <asac> wgere is o3d example page again?
[20:21] <asac> http://code.google.com/apis/o3d/docs/samplesdirectory.html
[20:21] <asac> got it
[20:21] <asac> locks up browser on amd64
[20:23] <EruditeHermit> oh
[20:23] <EruditeHermit> it won't work on amd64
[20:23] <EruditeHermit> its a 32bit only binary
[20:23] <fta> it should
[20:23] <fta> nsp
[20:23] <EruditeHermit> fta: doesn't work so well
[20:23] <fta> nspwrapper
[20:23] <EruditeHermit> I tried it
[20:23] <asac> 2.1 Mesa 7.6-devel
[20:23] <EruditeHermit> my new machine is amd64
[20:24] <EruditeHermit> so I had issues with it too
[20:24] <EruditeHermit> asac: got a 32bit install on the intel box?
[20:24] <fta> for me, it's just a matter of libgl not able to get 32bit dri libs, hence no direct rendering
[20:27] <asac> EruditeHermit: yes. for me its the right combination
[20:27] <asac> ati is on 64
[20:27] <asac> EruditeHermit: why doesnt nsp work with the plugin?
[20:27] <asac> EruditeHermit: please fix it ;)
[20:27] <EruditeHermit> well it didn't work for me
[20:28] <EruditeHermit> asac: so the intel box worked?
[20:29] <fta> EruditeHermit, just curious... why such a sudden interest in o3d? i packaged it several weeks ago, noone seemed interested?
[20:30] <fta> are you upstream or something? ;)
[20:31] <asac> EruditeHermit: i am upgrading to edgers right now and then have to check if i stil lhave the plugin installed
[20:31] <EruditeHermit> fta: nope, I have been interested for a while, I just didn't know anyone packaged it
[20:32] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-webtech/+archive/o3d-daily
[20:32] <EruditeHermit> fta: yeah I found it a few days ago
[20:32] <EruditeHermit> fta: I am interested because I have been working on something that could use it
[20:33] <EruditeHermit> or I want to use it to do something
[20:33] <fta> hm, ok
[20:33] <EruditeHermit> is a better description
[20:33] <EruditeHermit> fta: if you can tell me how to get it working on 64bit
[20:34] <EruditeHermit> then I would really appreciate it
[20:34] <EruditeHermit> otherwise I have to reinstall
[20:34] <EruditeHermit> =p
[20:35] <fta> the ppa is supposed to work out of the box, but as i said, there are issues with ia32libs shipping a libgl that is not able to get the 32bit libdri, even if it's installed
[20:35] <fta> we have the same problem with gtk and other libs
[20:35] <EruditeHermit> hmm
[20:35] <EruditeHermit> well
[20:36] <EruditeHermit> is that fixable do you think?
[20:36] <fta> i'm in contact with the upstream dev working on the linux side of o3d, we'll try to sort that out asap
[20:36] <EruditeHermit> nice
[20:36] <EruditeHermit> oh
[20:36] <EruditeHermit> can they not just make a 64bit version?
[20:37] <fta> not until v8 is 64bit ready
[20:37] <fta> v8 is the javascript engine, also used in chrome/chromium
[20:37] <EruditeHermit> are they working on that?
[20:38] <fta> yes
[20:38] <fta> it's in progress
[20:38] <EruditeHermit> how close to done?
[20:38] <fta> and o3d will be native in chromium, not a plugin
[20:39] <fta> no idea, the -dev ml is open
[20:39] <EruditeHermit> yeah
[20:39] <EruditeHermit> fta: have you written any demos?
[20:39] <fta> no, google provides plenty already
[20:39] <EruditeHermit> yeah
[20:40] <EruditeHermit> but I was wondering if you had any experiences
[20:40] <EruditeHermit> if it was easy or not
[20:40] <fta> none whatsoever
[20:40] <EruditeHermit> ok
[20:40] <EruditeHermit> well I have to go now for an hour
[20:40] <EruditeHermit> asac: I'll be back in an hour or so
[20:40] <EruditeHermit> let me know how it goes
[20:41] <asac> yeah
[20:42] <asac> i have to fight some ubuntu-bug thing right now
[20:42] <asac> to get my ati bug submitted ;)
[21:15] <asac> fta: so o3d doesnt work here
[21:15] <asac> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/o3d-plugin/32/libnpo3dautoplugin.so [libCg.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory]
[21:15] <asac> libCg?
[21:16] <asac> fta: oh the plugin is lacking an rpath?
[21:17] <asac> hmm ld.so.conf.d
[21:17] <asac> ugly isnt it?
[21:17] <asac> anyway rebooting ....
[21:19] <asac> worked and crashed the browser quick ;)
[21:34] <fta> ?
[21:35] <asac> o3d
[21:35] <asac> fta: you added stuff to ld.so.conf
[21:35] <asac> and didnt use -rpath
[21:35] <asac> i dont think that ld.so.conf is really right
[21:36] <fta> debian says rpath is evil
[21:36] <asac> it basically means that anyone can use those libs ... which are in pkglibdir, because they probably are not supposed to use
[21:36] <asac> by others
[21:36] <fta> those libs should be system libs anyway
[21:36] <asac> fta: then they should be shipped and properly versioned and abi/api tracked
[21:37] <asac> if thats not possible because upstream has no policy its good for pkglibdir imo
[21:39] <fta> i'm getting tired of so many packages rejected because of that reason, noone is helping :(
[21:47] <asac> helping on what?
[21:47] <asac> what this takes is serious upstream evangilism
[21:47] <asac> this cant be fixed in ubuntu
[21:48] <asac> and then moving step by step
[21:49] <asac> its also an upstream thing. upstream deliberately picks up new upstream lib features even though that might not even be needed
[21:49] <asac> we have to teach them to be more thoughtfully when they think about picking new upstream library
[21:49] <asac> at least that is my opinion
[21:50] <asac> if they cannot do it, that means that the libs are not yet in a stable enough state for the distro
[21:50] <asac> and we need to duplicate
[21:50] <asac> libs ... and statically link them in
[22:00] <BUGabundo> hyeeeeyyy
[22:00] <asac> yyyeeeeyh
[22:02] <BUGabundo> brand new 1.5TiB disk
[22:02] <BUGabundo> fresh install planed for tonigh
[22:10] <fta> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29014415/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-lpia.xulrunner-1.9.2_1.9.2~a1~hg20090714r30305%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~jaunty_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:10] <fta> dh_install: xulrunner-1.9.2-dev missing files (debian/tmp/usr/{include,share/idl}/xulrunner-1.9*/T[a-df-zA-Z]*), aborting
[22:10] <fta> make: *** [binary-post-install/xulrunner-1.9.2] Error 1
[22:11] <fta> hmm
[22:33] <micahg> asac: looks like we'll get a chance to update  the firefox 3.5 packages soon
[22:35] <asac> ack
[22:36] <micahg> I'm sure you've seen the reports already
[22:50] <asac> micahg: i got info about that firedrill yeah
[22:51] <fta>    354  23:36   bzr bdm
[22:51] <fta>    355  23:44   date
[22:51] <fta> 8 minutes just to reach the patches :(
[22:56] <asac> bdm?
[22:56] <asac> micahg: did we get bugs about that already?
[23:10] <micahg> asac: no bug yet
[23:10] <micahg> I was going to open one when the CVE came out
[23:10] <asac> where did you get that info through?
[23:11] <micahg> Mozilla Security Blog, Secunia,  US-CERT, SANS
[23:11] <asac> ;)
[23:11] <asac> ok great.
[23:11] <micahg> just trying to keep on top of things :)
[23:12]  * micahg is subscribed to too many blogs
[23:14] <fta> asac, $ bzr alias bdm
[23:14] <fta> bzr alias bdm="bd --merge --dont-purge --result-dir=../build-area --orig-dir=../tarballs/"
[23:14] <BUGabundo> micahg: how many is too many?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> I'm on 800
[23:14] <BUGabundo> just on LP. now add gnome, kde, pidgin, etc
[23:16] <micahg> 97 Active feeds including Planet Debian, Planet Mozilla, and Planet Ubuntu
[23:16] <fta> (firefox-3.6:17939): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: IA__g_object_weak_unref: couldn't find weak ref 0x40686b0(0xa42dd800)
[23:16] <BUGabundo> feeds or bugs?
[23:16] <micahg> not bugs
[23:16] <micahg> feeds
[23:16] <BUGabundo> cause I have like 300 feeds
[23:16] <micahg> RSS
[23:16] <BUGabundo> with 5 plantes
[23:17] <BUGabundo> 8 foruns
[23:17] <BUGabundo> 12 bots
[23:17] <micahg> I'm subscribed to 500 actuve bugs
[23:17] <BUGabundo> via feeds???
[23:17] <micahg> no
[23:17] <BUGabundo> I just do it for MY own NEW bugs LOL
[23:17]  * BUGabundo is getting confused by micahg who keeps forgeting I'm blond
[23:17] <micahg> I have over 48k unread feed entries
[23:18] <BUGabundo> lolol
[23:18] <BUGabundo> I manage to get all my labels empty TWICE this month
[23:18] <BUGabundo> other then Planets
[23:18] <BUGabundo> many of them still above 1000+
[23:19] <BUGabundo> micahg: wanna exchange shared feeds?
[23:19] <micahg> no, I don't use a feed sharing service
[23:19] <BUGabundo> ohhhh
[23:19] <micahg> I use the Brief FIrefox Addon :)
[23:19] <BUGabundo> you don't Social Network :(
[23:19] <BUGabundo> want mine never the less?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> its usually calm, unless I have the time to read it
[23:20] <BUGabundo> it usually I don't
[23:20] <micahg> no thanks, I'm already on feed overload
[23:20] <micahg> and the only social networking I do is for business on LinkedIn
[23:20] <BUGabundo> From your  265  subscriptions, over the last 30 days you read   5,693  items, starred  1  items, shared  906  items,  and emailed  0  items.
[23:23] <BUGabundo> micahg: in any case, I'll leave it to you so you can check it out and _maybe_ add it eheh http://feeds.bugabundo.net/BUGabundo-sharedfeed
[23:25] <micahg> Is this Portuguese?
[23:25] <BUGabundo> some are
[23:25] <BUGabundo> others english
[23:26] <BUGabundo> I guess one of this days I'll have to pipe it and make two new ones
[23:26] <BUGabundo> I already have like 8 feeds
[23:28] <BUGabundo> this is fun. i *almost* caught my feeds the other day eheh http://Ꚙ.sl.pt
[23:39] <fta> i want this http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/07/3d-css-transforms-available-in-leopard-via-webkit-nightlies.ars
[23:46] <micahg> asac: shouldn't bug 365965 be in ff3.5 as well?
[23:47] <micahg> or only in ff3.5?
[23:52] <EruditeHermit> asac: hey
[23:52] <EruditeHermit> fta: hi