[00:01] can anyone help me with ffmpeg? [00:27] I need to install a package called "build-deb" to compile and install a Kwin decoration but this package isn't on the repo ...., it could be ?, can I use something different ? === FoxBlitzz_ is now known as FoxBlitzz [00:31] hi folks. a dumb question but where can i redefine the sortcuts for switching between desktops in 4.2 & 4.3? [00:32] AlexZion: build-essentials? [00:32] I already have but it doesn' work actually ... [00:33] AlexZion: which app/lib is missing exactely? [00:36] I don't know mate , I just try to change the Kwin decoration whic is horrible, and I can't install it, when I try with "cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr" an error occurred saying that miss the file "CMakeLists.txt", but actually I can see the file, it's right there on the folder ... [00:37] and I thought something was missing , because the instruction to install the decoration says " [00:37] sudo apt-get build-deb kdeplasma-addons" [00:37] but I can't get it so .... [00:38] anyway it's unbeliavable....., to change a decoration it's something for engeneer [00:39] i was using dekorator but now with kde 4.3 doesn't look so good without the trasparency on the rounded corner .... [00:39] I will just keep going with this horrible decoration ... :( [00:58] I can't seem to disable the drum sounding noises when I press buttons, I've gone into system settings, but I can't find the setting. Any ideas? === Paraselene__ is now known as Paraselene_ [01:33] ctp, in settings->keyboard & mouse-> global keys... but you have to pick the "kwin" component before you see the option. === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [02:02] when trying to install a windows program, I get this error : " Unable to find a volume for file extraction. Please verify that you have proper permissions." [02:02] CleanLaundry: Try asking in #winehq [02:03] genii, tx [02:03] np [02:07] hey guys [02:07] is there a faster way to download torrent files on linux [02:08] macho_: If you have 2 boxes, start up ktorrent on both and set ktorrent on both boxes to also share with each other on their lan addresses [02:09] Kids these days. No waiting around for answers for them. [02:09] * genii sips === william is now known as Guest50317 === TDJACR is now known as TheDJACR [02:35] YO [02:52] hey guys, how can I remove ekiga from automatically starting up? [02:52] is kivio in koffice-kde4? [02:54] dennister: look in the autostart option in System Settings [02:55] aru_s: where is it? I don't see it anywhere [02:55] and i'm in system settings [02:56] hi dennister , system settings /advanced/autostart [02:58] BluesKaj: hi :-) i don't see an autostart option in system settings-->advanced [02:58] dennister, which kubuntu are running ? [02:58] 3.5 [02:59] ahhh [02:59] ok [02:59] hardy [02:59] look in ~/.kde/Autostart [02:59] kde 3.5 = intrepid ? [03:00] aru_s: i did that before coming into the channel, the only thing in .kde/autostart was an empty .directory file [03:00] kde 3.5 = hardy [03:04] aru_s: BluesKaj will tell ya, I usually google these tiny, rare, annoying probs before I come into the channel...only when googling doesn't work...:P [03:04] case matters [03:04] make sure you don't have both an autostart and Autostart dir [03:04] hi [03:05] I want to know how to start ftp server with my linux ? === zer0 is now known as Guest26330 [03:07] !help [03:07] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [03:08] I want to know where i can start ftp as service and control user accounts ? [03:11] aru_s: i'm looking for both [03:11] interesting [03:15] well, there was a lot of stuff under /usr/share/autostart [03:16] weird [03:19] hi! anyone knows how can I organize my desktop widgets in KDE (resize and move) manually? The problem is that KDE keeps applying this annoying auto resize / positioning feature. === william is now known as Guest68108 [03:20] rcintra: when you hover over the widgets do you see a bar pop out on the sides [03:20] what do I apt-get to auto mount my thumb drives and cdroms? [03:21] yes [03:21] aru_s: but none of the stuff under /usr/share/autostart was related to ekiga as far as I could see...went into gnome for a bit, as it is easier to autostart apps from gnome, but I didn't see it there, either... [03:21] Anyone notice Konsole flickers ridiculously in Kubuntu w/ KDE 4.3 [03:21] but even if I move them, the KDE automatically moves it to a "ideal" position [03:21] when scrolling [03:21] rcintra: when you left click it and drag it it repositions the widget and the first square button on the handle resizes it [03:22] brb folks, restarted x and will have a cancer stick while it loads [03:22] shadeslayer: yeah, the problem is that after it the KDE automatically moves my widget to another location [03:23] rcintra: works here... [03:23] rcintra: is this after you repostion them and reboot?? [03:23] shadeslayer: no. just after i reposition it [03:23] EDinNY: just apt-cache search package too see what you need ;) [03:24] Hello, I am running Ubuntu 9.04 and I just installed KDE. I have a problem with KDE, there is not any program to manage the network connectivity installed what am I missing? [03:24] shadeslayer: it auto reposition the widget [03:24] rcintra: hmm...lemme see [03:24] KittyBoots: is it fully updated? [03:24] I have updated [03:25] KittyBoots: then there should be a network manager widget in the add widget box [03:25] I am using GNOME to connect [03:25] OK I will try to find it. [03:25] KittyBoots: so youre using wifi?? if you use wpa it wont work [03:26] I am going to try to find the widgit, thanks! [03:26] shadeslayer: "With widgets unlocked, you can rearrange your widgets and move the Plasma icon to where you want it. The Plasma desktop will help you arrange widgets. It is easy to resize them. " ....... according to http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.2/desktop.php [03:26] rcintra: i see no bug...youre on your own on this one :( [03:27] rcintra: yes...so the widgets are unllocked arent they? [03:27] shadeslayer: this auto position feature that is killing me [03:27] rcintra: there is no such feature ;) === _thumper_ is now known as thumper [03:27] rcintra: what widget is this? [03:27] shadeslayer: yes, but i can move them to the corners od the screen. it keeps postioning the widgets in the up left corner [03:28] shadeslayer: sorry, i meant "i can't move them to the corners of the screen" [03:28] rcintra: oh....you mean out of the screen...you cant do that i think [03:29] rcintra: btw that link you gave me has a video of kde 4.3! haha [03:29] shadeslayer: no, i mean in the corner of the screen. not out of the screen [03:29] shadeslayer: ops :) [03:30] rcintra: yeah i get what you mean...like trying to drag them to one corner and theres always some space left out [03:30] shadeslayer: exactly [03:30] rcintra: its not possible ;) [03:30] aru_s: ok, i've looked under usr/share/autostart, and /home/user/.kde/Autostart, but can't find any mention of ekiga or konversation, both of which start automatically when kde starts, and since this user only got his internet hooked up recently, there's no way he would have set these two apps to start at kde launch [03:31] hmm [03:31] ahhh [03:31] maybe a session is being restored [03:31] shadeslayer: but it doesn't make sense. i was supposed to arrange de widgets the way i want. don't you think? [03:31] and I would never have done that myself before giving him this pc back in December [03:31] try setting it to load a fresh session on login and see [03:31] aru_s: that's possible, while he was exploring his computer...how do I do that? [03:31] rcintra: yes...but this prevents the widgets from getting accidentaly obsucred ot getting dragged out of the screen [03:32] 3.5? [03:32] I think its under the login part of the system settings [03:32] shadeslayer: what if i want to keep the widgets at the bottom of the screen? is it no possible? [03:32] haven't touched it for ages [03:32] rcintra: never tried that... [03:33] rcintra: then the taskbar might have to go up :P [03:34] i'll look [03:34] shadeslayer: actually mine is at the top :) well, that's ok, i thought it was a bug. anyways, i really appreciate your help [03:34] rcintra: no problem... [03:35] brb [03:35] I am having trouble finding the widget that Kubuntu uses to manage the network, I think that it is not installed. What should I do to install it? [03:35] I am using Gnome [03:35] network management [03:35] I am in a Gnome session because I can not connect to internet with KDE [03:35] KittyBoots: install knetworkmanager [03:36] kitty: if you can start knetworkmanager or networkmanager (the gnome version) you should be able to connect [03:36] KittyBoots: also run " sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop " to ensure you have all KDE packages [03:36] I'll do that [03:37] ^ indeed [03:37] aru_s: k, i set session manager to start with clean session, and am rebooting into new kernels from updates [03:39] correction, after all those updates there's not a new kernel yet, but session manager had been set to restore previous session [03:39] yay [03:41] this is fun [03:41] KittyBoots: so was the package installed? [03:41] it is installing [03:42] I will try now! [03:42] What do you use to constantly monitor your bandwidth & Net speed/traffic? [03:42] There's a network monitor plasmoid [03:42] aru_s: problem 3 or 4 solved :) [03:42] btw is anyone experincing slow startup times with KDM?? my KDM starts up in like 3 secs [03:43] no bad autostart probs [03:43] huzzah [03:44] * shadeslayer goes to investigate with bum [03:44] widget-network-manager is flaky... ive said this many times in the last few weeks , install wicd [03:44] !info wicd [03:44] wicd (source: wicd): wired and wireless network manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.9-2 (jaunty), package size 247 kB, installed size 1860 kB [03:44] BluesKaj: of course it is...its in work in the svn under playground [03:45] wicd is not without its own issues [03:45] for the best solution, go with knetworkmanager [03:45] well, aru_s , it sure works on my linux machines a hell of alot better than that widget thing does [03:45] this is whats great with linux...too many choices [03:46] XD [03:46] BluesKaj: most definitely. I'm lucky that the widget works for me [03:46] I'm just glad people acknowledge this as being a distro issue and not a KDE issue [03:47] anyway folks , have a good day/evening/morning ..whatever time of aday it is in your area ..sacktime here [03:47] gnight BluesKaj [03:50] KittyBoots: did it work? [03:50] No [03:51] but get this: new problem since reboot, nic isn't working...icon in systray shows disconnect, no ip address from ifconfig, tried restarting with /etc/init.d/networking restart...getting permission denied errors :( [03:51] knetworkmanager is already the newest version. [03:52] KittyBoots: can you see the widget? [03:52] It wont start [03:52] of course, the updates got stuck so had to do a dpkg --confiure -a, so that might be the problem...updates [03:52] KittyBoots: what wont start? [03:53] When I add it to the to the tool bar it dosent stay [03:53] how can I start Knetwtorkmanager without using the widget? [03:53] KittyBoots: hmm....ive gtg right now...hope someone else can clear this [03:54] Kitty: do you have knetworkmanager installed? [03:54] yes [03:54] open a terminal [03:54] How do I start it? [03:54] ok [03:54] and type: knetworkmanager [03:54] then hit enter [03:55] I will try it, I am in gnome so I have to log out and into a different session [03:58] should udev be a system service that starts up at boot? [04:00] yes [04:01] thx...just waiting for all these past updates to actually be installed...a few packages are still failing the setup :( [04:02] what about resolvconf? [04:03] hi [04:03] hola [04:03] hay alguien hay? [04:04] resolveconf isn't even listed in system services on this, my favourite machine [04:04] and udev was not configured to start at boot on this one, either [04:05] I can get knetworkmanager to start but it will not connect to my router? [04:05] How do I resolve the problem? === don is now known as Guest68103 [04:07] are you using wireless, or are you wired? [04:08] this is really wierd...why the nic doesn't wanna work all of a sudden [04:12] hi [04:13] what happened to kpdf in intrepid? [04:13] aru_s wireless [04:13] should I be using something else now? [04:13] calamari: Okular [04:13] KittyBoots: did it work under Gnome? [04:14] I have not tried [04:14] aru_s: I'll check it out, thanks [04:15] it works with Gnome [04:15] hmm [04:15] you pulled kubuntu-desktop? [04:16] yes [04:17] What is the command to start the newtorkmanager that gnome uses, I can try that one in kde [04:18] try just plain ol networkmanager [04:18] KittyBoots: nm-applet [04:19] cool I'll try it [04:19] It is driving me crazy. [04:19] Does anyone know how to get sound to work with Kubuntu 9.04? [04:19] it works for me [04:20] Guest68103: elaborate please, which sound card, what steps have you followed? [04:20] I have been going through page after page of tips, hits, fixes etc and I get nothing. [04:20] hi [04:21] ok, nic is working again, but i'm in dependency hell with problematic updates, dpkg --configure -a isn't working, neither is apt-get install -f...what's that long comand with fuser or something? [04:21] anyone know tell me because kubuntu is with 4 packages, kernel, and not block updates? [04:22] Deusr: could you rephrase that? [04:23] aru_s, whats ? [04:23] linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic [04:24] oh, you are talking about blocked updates... [04:24] 4 updates blocked [04:24] rudi_, yes [04:24] on a command line you can do dist-upgrade [04:24] as in: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [04:25] but those may be blocked for a reason [04:25] so I'd avoid doing that unless you really need the kernel updates [04:25] aru_s, thanks [04:25] yes,probably blocked for a reason, give it time [04:26] STILL NOT WORKING AGGG!!!! [04:27] how do i diaplay a list of running applications [04:27] I need to killall firefox but it is not working [04:27] if you're using firefox 3.5, you need to do killall firefox-3.5 [04:27] pkill? [04:27] just do pkill firefox [04:27] or just xkill then point and click :-) [04:28] or go into system monitor and end process =) [04:28] Or take an electromagnet to your hard drive [04:29] hehe [04:29] what is the command to display all processes? [04:31] ps aux | less [04:32] or ps -A [04:33] ps -ef [04:33] kittyboots what exactly is your problem === _roconnor is now known as roconnor [04:38] aru_s: i've got a real problem now...bloody dependency hell now has caused the machine to finish loading neither gnome or kde [04:47] ouch [04:47] does it dump you to a login shell? [04:48] try removing kubuntu-desktop and then reinstalling it [04:54] actually, it doesn't, i get login screen, and in the rare occasions when it actually goes past the password step, it's just a solid blue [04:54] i'm going into recovery mode [04:56] at one point it told me doc-base was the first big problem, and so corrupt I should reinstall it, so I did, but it's still trying to setup and install the old doc-base, too, and all the other (20?) packages that depend on doc-base [04:57] it might be worth it to reinstall from the disc [04:57] actually, i just thought i'd try the 'dpkg repair broken packages' option...Noooooooooo [04:57] won't overwrite the home dir if you don't reformat [04:58] user brought it here this eve, along with another one I have to do a whole install on, and it had some minor problems...I just don't have time to do a new reinstall for the first box, too [04:59] you dont need to watch the install... [05:00] oh, yes i will :( [05:02] i typically use a certain method...using mini.iso so less can go wrong, but do a lot of extras for my users that take time [05:02] I don't want to give him back less than what he came here with [05:05] olas [05:06] alguien? [05:12] dennister: Hello [05:15] sorry, was out for a cig, and magically the dependency hell is fixed :) [05:15] i HATES that [05:15] It's the most aggravating thing [05:16] i forgot to reinstall the ubuntu-desktop, which was removed after I followed direction to purge the problematic doc-base [05:16] really [05:17] now to restart so kde and gnome can be tested [05:17] who knows, with all the updates maybe the remaining annoyances will be fixed, too [05:17] k [05:19] I really want to start the next box, with at least the base system and xubuntu started before I hit the sack...will finish up in the morning [05:19] I clone a Hardy Heron parttion to the second half of the same hard drive. Ibex isn't booting correctly. What's the best way to remove that Ibex partition and make Heron bootable? [05:20] dennister: You are using the alternate CD ? [05:21] jdcnyc: You don't need to remove Ibex just point Grub at the kernel on hardy [05:21] Isn't Grub fully associated with Ibex? [05:22] DaskreeCH: I haven't started the new install yet, i'm just trying to fix a user's 'working' system...seemed minor things, but then updates... [05:22] jdcnyc: Grub isn't associated with *anything* outside of some *nix type kernel that can take parameters [05:22] nope...kde & gnome weren't fixed...was able to install vlc, but login screen hung after entering password [05:23] dennister: what does ~/.xsession-errors say? [05:23] also if you are using the alternate CD to install might as well get it running [05:25] haven't checked that yet, back in recovery mode [05:25] DaskreeCH: Sounds like a very good plan. I boot Hardy by typing EXIT during the Ibex bootup, so maybe there is kernel parameter for the Hardy parition. THANKS! [05:26] also want to do the remaining 124 upgrades [05:26] apt-get install update? [05:27] no, upgrade [05:27] jdcnyc: If the grub is obeying the parameters set in the Ibex partition just copy over the /boot/grub/menu.lst from hardy [05:28] dennister: try dist-upgrade [05:28] wouldn't that start the intrepid or ibix process? don't want those, just to keep hardy [05:29] upgrade worked [05:29] dennister: Maybe I'd need to know jdcnyc's partition layout but it's pretty simple to swap out the default [05:30] DaskreeCH: Thanks. I'll copy the older grub setup. [05:31] The partitioning is simple: hda1 has bootable defective Ibex, hda2 has reliable older Heron and a small swap file. [05:32] well, this had better fix most of it...from what I remember before the dependency hell broke out, the main remaining thing is to fix the cd burner errors when I try to play an audio cd with it [05:32] hda2 cannot hold swap and heron [05:33] jdcnyc: he's right, swap is always a partition by itself [05:33] I failed to explain hda2 holds Heron. There's a swap file in it's own partiton. And that's about it. [05:34] what's confusing is that there's no such thing as 'swap *file*' [05:35] I stand corrected: Swap partition. [05:35] sorry to be a picky one :) [05:35] dennister: actually there is You can do it but it's really unlikely [05:36] ok, u know more than I DaskreeCH [05:36] dennister: No need to be sorry partitions are not something you want to be fuzzy on when you are making changes to how a system boots [05:36] jdcnyc: First thing of course is to make a backup of the Ibex files you are going to change [05:37] yeah, that's true, this computing stuff requires precision when it comes to partitions [05:39] I'm planning on editing /etc/x11/xorg.conf as Ibex boots to a login screen where the keyboard and mouse don't work. But for now, I need to get things done with heron. [05:41] I'm aware others have the frozen Ibex login screen, but it was working fine for weeks. So, editing configuration files might work, or not. [05:46] jdcnyc: back up the config you have and run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg [05:47] YARDIM!!! [05:47] TÜRKÇE BİLEN BİRİSİ YOKMU? === hemathor_ is now known as hemathor [05:50] DaskreeCH: If the configuration isn't working and all data was copied to the Heron partition, why bother backing anything up? I'm this close to just wiping that partition away and write off this version of Kubuntu. [05:51] jdcnyc: Well what you want is to make sure that grub is booting from hardy [05:51] actually [05:51] !grub | jdcnyc [05:51] jdcnyc: GRUB is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto [05:51] ok, rebooted after all the updates were done, but it's taking too long after login screen was inputted with password [05:51] That should walk you through and you should be fine [05:52] dennister: jump to a tty and see if something is hung [05:52] and I started the other box in the other room [05:52] alt-f#, right? that's not working [05:52] if nothing is taking an obscene amount of Mem/CPU then try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop && startx [05:53] dennister: alt+ctrl+F# [05:53] oops,...i don't use that much [05:53] F7 is back to X [05:54] yep, lots of -bash: /dev/null: permission denied [05:54] what to do? [05:55] dennister: sorry what was that? [05:55] you logged in and got kicked back out? [05:55] got to tty and were lots of "-bash: /dev/null: permission denied [05:56] can you login there? [05:56] yes, i had to login on tty [05:56] and got the ^^ after login before i got user prompt back [05:56] Alright you say bash /dev/null on login or before you lagged in? [05:56] ah [05:57] something is wrong there [05:57] no kidding :) [05:57] run top and see what's using up CPU [05:58] lots of stuff by root [05:59] not to familiar with top feedback [05:59] hold on...need to check other machine [06:00] TÜRKÇE BİLEN BİRİ YOKMU! [06:01] !tr [06:01] Turk ubuntu kullanıcıları, Türkçe yardım ya da geyik için #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde. [06:02] dennister: The top item is which process? How much CPU is it using? [06:08] DaskreeCH: that's hard to say, the top item keeps changing [06:09] dennister: Ok that's good [06:09] sometimes it's root user, very high virt number, by xorg [06:09] can you install pastebinit ? [06:10] probably, just hold a sec, is it the high virt number that's the important info? [06:10] I would like to see the errors in ~/.xsession-errors [06:10] dennister: partly but the number under CPU% is the one I'm interested in [06:11] High memory usage won't kill progress if you wait you;ll see a desktop High CPU usage will stop anything from moving foward [06:11] q to get out of top if you don't know [06:12] ok, installing pastebinit... [06:14] just run pastebinit ~/.xsession-errors [06:14] well xorg, top and kjournald are all using 0,7 of cpu [06:15] http://pastebin.com/f38a629f5 [06:21] just upgraded kubuntu from hardy to jaunty, reinstalled kde3.5... mostly up and running again, but scrolling in firefox is abysmally slow. Any suggestions? [06:21] desktop effects are turned off [06:21] dennister: Looks like your dbus is not there [06:21] dennister: does sudo apt-get dist-upgrade say anything ? [06:22] Shdwdrgn: Justi n Firefox? [06:22] so far [06:23] I had bad problem getting kde to come back up... have an older ati card, read there's a lot of problems in xorg1.6 [06:23] thunderbird seems to scroll just fine [06:23] oh, and smooth-scrolling is off in firefox [06:23] yes, seems 4 packages were held back, but I can install them now linux-generic, restricted modules headers... [06:24] Shdwdrgn: Oh yeah >_< [06:24] how old? [06:24] DaskreeCH: installing them now [06:24] dennister: ok [06:24] radeon 2400 [06:25] check to see if it's one of the problem abandoned cards. Though I think the radeon driver should cover that [06:26] running a dual display. Used to have a pair of nvidia's, but one died recently, and every time I did an upgrade, I had to re-run the nvidia setup util. [06:28] video playback looks fine as well... so far only firefox seems affected [06:33] ok here's another issue... dragging windows around is choppy as well. [06:37] DaskreeCH: rebooted into new kernel, same issue, am in tty [06:37] tried installing dbus, but was told it was already the newest version [06:38] probably just not running, so I need to get it running from tty i guesss [06:40] DaskreeCH: can u tell me how? [06:42] dennister: hold on try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop && startx [06:42] Shdwdrgn: KDE3 ? [06:43] yes [06:45] Is resizing windows choppy? [06:46] DaskreeCH: k, tried you line, only using 'gdm' instead of 'kdm' and that killed the running xorg, but I got: can't create /dev/null permission deniedpermission denied [06:46] nope, resizing kwrite works pretty smooth, but dragging the whole window around is choppy. [06:48] going out for a smoke, bbk in 5 [06:52] any freelance web programmers out there? [06:52] i want to buy your services [06:52] DaskreeCH: k, back, would switching from gdm to kdm do the trick? [06:52] i need a website [06:52] joseph_: Wrong room [06:53] DaskreeCH, doing a page-down in firefox responds immediately as well, it's only scrolling with mouse or arrow keys that is slow [06:53] what room should i go toi? [06:53] dennister: Not if dbus isn't starting. Try running startx to see what it does [06:53] Shdwdrgn: Using kwin or compiz? [06:53] joseph_: ##linux ? [06:53] nope [06:54] just the basic desktop [06:54] umm ok which wm ? [06:54] kde3.5/xorg [06:54] sorry, is kwin the defult wm? [06:55] I'm NOT using compiz [06:55] DaskreeCH: i did try, but it just flashed, and gave me error: (long list) ending with line: /usr/bin/startx line 176 /dev/null: Permission Denied [06:56] ok kwin then [06:56] dennister: ok what's the history of this machine? [06:57] ok one more piece... in thunderbird, scrolling through the list of emails works great, but when I open a long email and try to scroll through it, same results as in FF [06:59] gave it to user in dec; he had difficulties at first with his hub, getting an ip address, solved that a little while ago, then had problem with sound, brought it back with his daughter's (other machine i'm working on); preliminary problems were solved, haldaemon with media, sound (parts of his mixer had been turned all the way down), then real problems started when I tried doing almost 300 updates [07:01] doc-base had probs, that caused the dependency hell, got it fixed, then more updates, then can't get back into x [07:01] done [07:02] user's actually a really great guy, not a dummy by any means, his whole family now wants to go linux-only [07:06] gonna test removing the fglrx driver, brb [07:10] DaskreeCH: any advice to get this dbus runnig? [07:11] dennister: how much stuff do they install themselves? [07:12] dennister: oh also which version of Kubuntu is this? [07:14]