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| wgrant | sinzui: I don't think bug #397398 is a duplicate of the usual one - in that bug the user wanted it to be in Russia, but the timezone is wrong. | 02:58 |
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| ubot3 | Malone bug 397398 in launchpad-registry "Wrong user timezone (Saratov) (dup-of: 387738)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397398 | 02:58 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 387738 in launchpad-registry "Launchpad refuses to believe that I don't live in Russia, near the Kazakhstan border." [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387738 | 02:58 |
| sinzui | wgrant: I think it is because smara is were others were ending up | 02:59 |
| wgrant | sinzui: Ah. | 02:59 |
| sinzui | However we did just change the pytz lib, I should double check the date. There were two days of wierdness during the transition | 03:00 |
| sinzui | I wonder if people will complain is I create the tag "ml-archive-sucks" | 03:08 |
| lifeless | sinzui: mars says to talk to you about +series | 03:10 |
| sinzui | yes | 03:10 |
| lifeless | this is me, talking to you:) | 03:10 |
| lifeless | I've filed a bug | 03:10 |
| lifeless | I don't mean to be overly negative, but its nearly unusable at the moment. | 03:10 |
| sinzui | Wow for me it went from a wasted click to at least a report that something is happening | 03:11 |
| lifeless | wasted click? | 03:11 |
| lifeless | we may have very different understandings of what I'm intending to ask about | 03:12 |
| sinzui | Any time I was taken to a series page, I had to find a link to a page that would let me perform an action or learn about what was happening. The series page was not a good tool. | 03:12 |
| sinzui | How can I make the series page a good tool? | 03:12 |
| wgrant | sinzui: I would love a ml-archive-sucks tag, if it means the archives might eventually be less utterly sucky. | 03:12 |
| lifeless | so there are two things, both similar. Perhaps I should file two bugs | 03:13 |
| lifeless | firstly, can I ask you to have a look at | 03:13 |
| lifeless | https://edge.launchpad.net/bzr/ | 03:13 |
| lifeless | there is a funny stick figure about half way down labelled 'bzr.dev' | 03:13 |
| sinzui | oh yes the timeline that never shows more than one line of development | 03:14 |
| sinzui | It gets bigger in the new page design | 03:15 |
| wgrant | lifeless: Bug #398705? | 03:15 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 398705 in launchpad-registry "Unobvious that timeline graph is scrollable" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398705 | 03:15 |
| lifeless | I know that its scrollable. its just _painful_ to scroll on a thumbpad | 03:16 |
| sinzui | I asked edwin to try putting borders on it that beuno would like | 03:16 |
| lifeless | on a 125x125 dpi screen | 03:16 |
| lifeless | click, drag about an inch | 03:16 |
| lifeless | release go back, repeat | 03:16 |
| lifeless | personally, I'd much rather not have to scroll at all | 03:16 |
| sinzui | That sucks | 03:16 |
| lifeless | that list of series seems truncated anyway, so why not truncate a little more and at the same time make the canvas taller | 03:17 |
| lifeless | vertical space is cheap | 03:17 |
| sinzui | Well it will be taller. I think we need to convey that the widget is a viewport | 03:19 |
| lifeless | should I file a bug about this aspect? I haven't so far | 03:20 |
| sinzui | definitely! | 03:21 |
| sinzui | Edwin is work on a bug to improve the UI. As asked edwin to take wgrant's bug into consideration. | 03:21 |
| lifeless | bug filed | 03:22 |
| lifeless | secondly | 03:22 |
| sinzui | thanks | 03:22 |
| lifeless | have a look at https://edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+series | 03:22 |
| lifeless | remember - trackpad user | 03:23 |
| lifeless | I do have cheap vertical scrolling (of the whole page) | 03:23 |
| sinzui | ha ha | 03:23 |
| lifeless | my window is about 900 pixels wide | 03:23 |
| sinzui | I will show that to Edwin and Martin | 03:23 |
| sinzui | mine is 800 | 03:24 |
| wgrant | Does that one show inactive milestones too? | 03:24 |
| wgrant | The one on +index doesn't. | 03:24 |
| sinzui | This one show obsolete series at 50% opacity | 03:25 |
| sinzui | I think I need to restart the discussion about sane zoom on load. I seeing this makes me think I was right | 03:26 |
| lifeless | I'd like to note that *I don't care about the graph* | 03:26 |
| lifeless | it can jump off a cliff and I'll never regret its passing | 03:27 |
| * _thumper_ wonders if the william grant showing up on my Facebook suggestions is wgrant | 03:27 | |
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| sinzui | lifeless: I can create a [X] Display timelines check box. That is how I got the maps off my pages | 03:27 |
| wgrant | thumper: Could be. I have a few Launchpadders. | 03:27 |
| lifeless | sinzui: I love timelines. That isn't a timeline :) | 03:27 |
| lifeless | sinzui: or should I say, I love vertically presented regular text and markup timelines | 03:28 |
| sinzui | understood | 03:28 |
| thumper | wgrant: University of Melbourne '10 | 03:28 |
| thumper | ? | 03:28 |
| wgrant | thumper: That would be me indeed. | 03:28 |
| lifeless | ok, so two bugs filed. Let me know if you need more details on either. | 03:28 |
| thumper | :) | 03:28 |
| wgrant | The current one also isn't a timeline, since it doesn't show things relative to time. | 03:29 |
| wgrant | Milestones, releases and series are equally spaced. | 03:29 |
| wgrant | With no regard to time. | 03:29 |
| wgrant | So bzr.dev seems to have all the latest milestones. | 03:29 |
| sinzui | wgrant: and you can image why we did that given bzr's series | 03:30 |
| wgrant | sinzui: If everything was positioned by time, it could be a very wide but fairly short graph that was able to be zoomed sanely. | 03:31 |
| sinzui | oh, kfogel filed one of the the ml-archive bugs. I'm definitely using the new tag | 03:33 |
| wgrant | I've been wondering for a while if you've been wanting to minimise adoption of LP mailing lists. | 03:34 |
| wgrant | The archives are... suboptimal. | 03:34 |
| wgrant | Non-members cannot subscribe. | 03:34 |
| sinzui | wgrant: \o/ | 03:34 |
| wgrant | Message acceptance policies are unconfigurable. | 03:35 |
| wgrant | Subjects are mangled. | 03:35 |
| wgrant | (unconfigurably) | 03:35 |
| sinzui | That is one of my points why it sucks, along with it does not integrate lp objects so I cannot link in and out of it | 03:35 |
| wgrant | They could easily be very awesome, but they are not! | 03:35 |
| sinzui | I cannot forward a message to my inbox so that I can reply (even if I am not a member of the list because I have good standing) | 03:36 |
| wgrant | This standing thing also isn't documented anywhere except bugs, is it? | 03:36 |
| sinzui | wgrant: We were going to create our own, or improve pipermail to rock. but we had two days, so we used MHonarc | 03:37 |
| wgrant | sinzui: But MHonarc can do better than that... | 03:38 |
| sinzui | kfogel: It can. | 03:38 |
| sinzui | wgrant: kfogel looked into making some improvement. It can do better. | 03:39 |
| wgrant | sinzui: This is good. | 03:39 |
| wgrant | The lp-users archives are pretty terrible to use. | 03:39 |
| wgrant | What is changing in the 3.0 UI? | 03:40 |
| sinzui | We are reintroducing side portlets to emphasise activity. There are not many concrete examples of this | 03:41 |
| sinzui | We want to show that things are happening on launchpad, commits, messages, subscribers, changes. And the side portlets can have actions that create these activities | 03:41 |
| wgrant | But didn't you just try to kill all of the portlets? | 03:42 |
| wgrant | Ah, good. That is one area in which Launchpad is really lacking. | 03:42 |
| sinzui | We did, beuno likes them. He thinks they failed because they did not have strong rules of what they could contain or set users expectation about what they could do | 03:42 |
| sinzui | links are still moving into the page | 03:43 |
| sinzui | We are putting all the developers on updating all the pages to ensure we don't have any more 0, 1, and 2 ui pages left | 03:43 |
| sinzui | wgrant: We want to improve the breadcrumbs and tabs, but we do not have any design and sope set for that yet. I think many pages will look a lot like the 2.0 pages. | 03:45 |
| wgrant | Even completing the 2.0 UI would make things much better... | 03:46 |
| wgrant | It's all pretty inconsistent now. | 03:46 |
| sinzui | yep. I need to send an email asking for consistent heading/title rules. | 03:47 |
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| wgrant | Since you're moving launchpad-loggerhead into the launchpad tree, are you not removing codehosting at all? | 04:24 |
| kfogel | wgrant: there's a bug and a branch for the ml improvements | 04:35 |
| kfogel | when I get off the phone I'll find the bug number | 04:35 |
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| joey | hey matsubara-lunch, maybe you might get wgrant to review https://dev.launchpad.net/BugTriage/Draft and provide input? | 19:45 |
| joey | Ursinha probably should have a run through too if she hasn't already | 19:46 |
| * Ursinha looks | 19:46 | |
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| matsubara | good idea joey | 20:26 |
| joey | matsubara: only in that he's had some recent experience :-) | 20:26 |
| joey | matsubara: you did good work on both the original and now this version so... might as well share! | 20:27 |
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