[00:12] <BUGabundo> bugabundo/temp/OS_isos/karmic-desktop-amd64.iso
[00:12] <BUGabundo>      732.08M 100%   36.32MB/s    0:00:19 (xfer#240004, to-check=1024/248621)
[00:12] <BUGabundo> bugabundo/temp/OS_isos/karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[00:12] <BUGabundo>      728.40M 100%   31.59MB/s    0:00:21 (xfer#240005, to-check=1023/248621)
[00:12] <BUGabundo> something tells me I won't get a fresh install tonight
[00:12] <BUGabundo> :((
[00:13] <arand> How do I send two notifications that will stack (both shows simultaneously) using notify-send from CLI?
[00:16] <BUGabundo> arand: you can't
[00:16] <BUGabundo> its not meant to be
[00:16] <BUGabundo> _unless_ they are diff priority
[00:16] <BUGabundo> but u can't do that with a notify-send
[00:17]  * arand is grumphy
[00:18]  * BUGabundo hands a arand a cup of green tea
[00:19]  * arand already has some Twinnings earl grey brewin'
[00:28] <FoxBlitzz_> Wow
[00:29] <FoxBlitzz_> They finally fixed the issue with the Plasma widgets list not being sorted alphabetically (something that every single other distro did properly)
[00:29] <billybigrig> Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ...
[00:29] <billybigrig> Errors were encountered while processing:
[00:29] <billybigrig>  /var/cache/apt/archives/bluez_4.45-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[00:29] <billybigrig> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[00:29] <billybigrig> is this known?
[00:30] <billybigrig> i don't even have bluetooth
[00:30] <billybigrig> why is bluez even installed
[00:31] <BUGabundo> billybigrig: comes with the seed
[00:31] <billybigrig> even if bluetooth isn't built into the kernel?
[00:31] <billybigrig> :)
[00:31] <billybigrig> but i guess it would be on a stock ubuntu kernel
[00:33] <BUGabundo> yeah
[00:35] <BUGabundo> CRAP: disk got turned off or disconnected while rsyncing :((
[00:35] <syn-ack> BUGabundo: hahahaha
[00:36] <syn-ack> No shit...
[00:36] <syn-ack> Yeah, thats going to take a while to rsync. :P
[00:36] <BUGabundo> !language > syn-ack
[00:36] <syn-ack> Sorry about that.
[00:36] <syn-ack> but still.
[00:36] <syn-ack> It still applies. :P
[00:36] <BUGabundo> seems I can't power the disk up with the e-sata connected :(
[00:39] <DanaG> OOooooooh, my Mute LED is finally working!  Yay!
[00:39] <DanaG> Yay for 2.6.31-rc3!
[00:39] <Q-FUNK> billybigrig: it's among the packages installed by default
[00:40] <Q-FUNK> I wonder if they will rebase to 2.6.31 final any time soon?
[00:41] <DanaG> Is it now final?
[00:41] <hggdh> no, it is not
[00:41] <DanaG> It was just RC3 just ... yesterday?
[00:41] <BUGabundo> heh
[00:41] <hggdh> there can be no rebase due to the fact that .31 final is not yet final
[00:41] <DanaG> =þ
[00:41] <DanaG> That's what I thought.
[00:41] <BUGabundo> hggdh: _s
[00:41] <hggdh> yup
[00:41] <BUGabundo> :s
[00:41] <hggdh> :-)
[00:42] <DanaG> ooh, bluetooth audio doesn't stop on vt-switch.  Spiffy.
[00:43] <DanaG> (WW) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: unable to handle keycode 465
[00:43] <DanaG> (WW) HP WMI hotkeys: unable to handle keycode 358
[00:43] <BUGabundo> hggdh: how is your business going? better I hope
[00:51] <billybigrig> BUGabundo: what ppa do i use for u1?
[00:52] <BUGabundo> their own
[00:54] <billybigrig> off u1 site?
[00:54] <billybigrig> k
[00:56] <BUGabundo> let me grab mine
[00:56] <BUGabundo> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntuone/nightlies/ubuntu karmic main
[00:56] <BUGabundo> btw don't use the nightlies eheh
[01:03] <billybigrig> why would you give me the ppa for nightlies and then tell me not to use nightlies :P
[01:04] <BUGabundo> cause it's the one I have?
[01:04] <billybigrig> im confused haha
[01:04] <billybigrig> does it work or no?
[01:04] <Sarvatt> ubuntu-one sure does keep my cpu awake more even not in use, getting ~50 wakeups/second from it disconnected.. power usage has been crap lately, went up from 6.5 watts back in the 2.6.29 days to 9.8 now idling
[01:05] <BUGabundo> billybigrig: it does
[01:05] <BUGabundo> but you better use the _more_ stable branch
[01:35] <ripps> hmm... it seems the nautilus memory leak was fixed. My video folder doesn't cause my computer to freeze for 2 minutes
[01:43]  * BUGabundo Ta na hora da Caminha, bamos la deitar.... \n bed time. cu tomorrow
[01:44] <arand> BUGabundo: nighty.
[02:00] <DanaG> The battery is below the critical battery level and this computer is about to suspend.<br>NOTE: A small amount of power is required to keep your computer in a suspended state.
[02:00] <DanaG> Yeah, there's a <br> in there.
[02:00] <DanaG> i.e. I literally see that text.
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[02:01] <DanaG> Oh, and before that: "You have approximately 5 minutes of remaining battery life (2.6%).  This computer will suspend in Unknown time if the AC is not connected.
[02:03] <DanaG> ugh, damned printer... is claiming to have succeeded... yet nothing comes out of the printer.
[02:05] <billybigrig> stupid bluez
[02:05] <billybigrig> how can i skip a package from updating in apt-get?
[02:05] <billybigrig> Processing triggers for man-db ...
[02:05] <billybigrig> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:05] <billybigrig>  /var/cache/apt/archives/bluez_4.45-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[02:05] <billybigrig> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:05] <billybigrig> or fix this problem
[02:06] <Sarvatt> yay bugs in my alpha (/◔ ◡ ◔)/
[02:07] <DanaG> (o♡_')b
[02:07] <billybigrig> did that package update good for everyone else?
[02:07] <oldude67> hey anyone having video issues with the new kernel update?
[02:08] <Sarvatt> nope but it doesnt stop other things from updating fine
[02:08] <billybigrig> i removed the package, but up update && upgrade it fails, so its the package from repo giving me problems
[02:08] <Sarvatt> probably works right if you actually have bluetooth plugged in judging by the changelog
[02:09] <billybigrig> Sarvatt: my dkms problem wasn't to do with my kernel naming
[02:09] <DanaG> oh yeah, blueman ⋙ gnome-bluetooth
[02:09] <DanaG> "much greater than"
[02:09] <billybigrig> it was caused by /lib/modules/kernelname/build pointing to ~/linux-2.6
[02:09] <oldude67> is that the problem, cause i dont have blue tooth either.
[02:09] <billybigrig> and not /usr/src/kernelname
[02:10] <DanaG> yay, my mute key thingy now works.
[02:10] <DanaG> Just need to make it apply to my laptop, so I don't have to force my laptop to use the "wrong" model.
[02:10] <Sarvatt> whoa really? maybe brightness keys might work on my HP now
[02:10] <DanaG> They only applied the fix to model=mobile
[02:10] <DanaG> ... not to model=laptop.
[02:11] <DanaG> so, if I add "options snd-hda-intel model=mobile", it works -- apparently even loading as "laptop" once breaks it.
[02:12] <DanaG> hmm, and software mixer can still get "inverted" relative to hardware mute.
[02:14] <DanaG> About the last thing to get working is the danged high keycodes.
[02:14] <DanaG> (WW) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: unable to handle keycode 465
[02:14] <DanaG> (WW) HP WMI hotkeys: unable to handle keycode 358
[02:19] <oldude67> well i booted back into the -2 kernel cause my video was scrambling so bad that it was unreadable...
[02:19] <billybigrig> what kind of video?
[02:19] <oldude67> intel
[02:19] <oldude67> i believe its a 915
[02:20] <billybigrig> is kms enabled by default for intel?
[02:20] <Sarvatt> the intel fifo watermarking code in rc3 has problems on alot of machines :(
[02:20] <oldude67> idk
[02:21] <oldude67> how do i check? im use to using xorg.config
[02:22] <billybigrig> i was asking the channel
[02:22] <billybigrig> i use nvidia so i have no idea about kms
[02:22] <oldude67> oh...lol.
[02:22] <billybigrig> but radeon and intel seem to give problems
[02:23] <Sarvatt> were  you getting a flickering screen oldude67?
[02:23] <oldude67> ya go figure all my machines are intel..
[02:23] <oldude67> Sarvatt, yes like it was trying to roll sideways.
[02:23] <Sarvatt> yeah it'll be fixed soon, already a patch to fix it out there
[02:24] <oldude67> ok i can wait, ill just use this kernel for now.
[02:24] <Sarvatt> should be a week or so until rc4 comes out with the fix
[02:24] <oldude67> no problem
[02:24] <Sarvatt> (hopefully it gets in there)
[02:25] <oldude67> now will i have to be in that kernel to do the update?
[02:25] <ghindo> billybigrig, KMS is enabled by default on Intel hardware
[02:26] <Sarvatt> nah it'll come along with upgrades, will be called linux-image-2.6.31-4
[02:26] <oldude67> ok
[02:26] <billybigrig> they might re-release 31-3 though
[02:26] <billybigrig> with the fix in it
[02:26] <Sarvatt> doubt it
[02:26] <billybigrig> really? they'll wait for rc4?
[02:27] <Sarvatt> its only a week, hopefully the fix gets tested enough in that time...
[02:28] <oldude67> heck i have had to deal with worse for longer so no big deal here this kernel works fine..so patience is going to have to prevail this time..lol
[02:28] <neko_> sup yall
[02:29] <Sarvatt> here's the upstream bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19304
[02:29] <oldude67> atleast i didnt get a kernel panic and or worse..lol
[02:29] <neko_> so if your not trying to burn a dvd; mostly multimedia; how's +1 so far?
[02:30] <oldude67> ya burning a cd or dvd is not working with this kernel, will it get fixed soon?
[02:32] <arand> I've been having the classic k3b works, brasero fails...
[02:32] <neko_> lol
[02:32] <oldude67> neither k3b or brasero will see my burners. and i have two different ones.
[02:32] <neko_> that always seems to break during new releases for me
[02:33] <neko_> but my burner is old and it may be trashed
[02:33] <neko_> i really should try from windows but i'm lazy
[02:33] <neko_> :D
[02:33] <oldude67> sysinfo sees both
[02:33] <neko_> anyway i was thinking about trying the +1 tho its been a while
[02:34] <neko_> and in regular i've got vid dialed in with the 190.09 nvidia drivers; was wondering if +1 had those; where thats at in general [nvidia+multimedia+tearing]
[02:35] <neko_> i figure as long as i can watch my movies i can deal with the rest hehe
[02:35] <oldude67> No CD/DVD writer found.
[02:35] <oldude67> K3b did not find an optical writing device in your system.
[02:35] <oldude67> lol got to love it
[02:35] <oldude67> and thank god for jump drives..lol
[02:36] <neko_> lol
[02:36] <neko_> you should triple check model and find which module it needs
[02:36] <neko_> should be as simple as a sudo modprobe ... or compile and that or so
[02:36] <oldude67> it pulls up all the info on sysinfo
[02:37] <neko_> oic
[02:38] <oldude67> just k3b and brasero dont see them
[02:38] <neko_> may be the software is borked i spose
[02:38] <neko_> shows up on um
[02:38] <oldude67> na its probably just me
[02:49] <neko_> lspci
[03:01] <DanaG> oh eyah, last time I checked, telepathy sucked badly at IRC.  =þ
[03:01] <DanaG> Granted, out-of-the-box (i.e. without plugins), Pidgin sucks at IRC, also -- but at least that's fixable.
[03:42] <DanaG> yargh, so byored.
[04:20] <eagles0513875> hey DanaG
[04:21] <DanaG> say whaaa?
[04:21] <DanaG> =þ
[04:53] <billybigrigger> anyone here having problems getting an hp printer being recognized?
[05:22] <nhasian> hello everyone
[05:24] <syn-ack> Was there some sort of major bug having to do with suspend or hibernate that just came down from upstream?
[05:25] <SwedeMike> there has been a lot of discussing about that in 2.6.31-rcX on lkml, so that's quite likely.
[05:25] <syn-ack> Got home, and my notebook, which is my "beta box" lid was closed... I forgot to change the settings in the power profile to not suspend when the lid was closed and well, Im having to reinstall right now
[05:25] <syn-ack> comepletely hosed my system
[05:26] <DanaG> How?
[05:26] <syn-ack> comeplete disk corruption.
[05:26] <syn-ack> and it wasnt due to bad hardware.
[05:28] <nhasian> ouch
[05:28] <DanaG> Damn.
[05:29] <tanath> i just upgraded to karmic, and the new kernel doesn't boot >.<
[05:29] <SwedeMike> 2.6.31 is what is seriously keeping me off karmic at this point, definitely want kernel to mature more before I go
[05:30] <SwedeMike> and 2.6.30 seems to have problems as well
[05:30] <DanaG> hmm, once I found a fix-ish thing for fglrx, I went to 2.6.31 for the new ALSA, mostly.
[05:30] <syn-ack> and THAT is the reason, DanaG that I dont like how the kernel is now developed
[05:30] <syn-ack> refering back to lastnight's? converstation
[05:30] <nhasian> i'm running 2.6.31-2 just fine.  i havent rebooted since i installed the beta 3 kernel tho...
[05:30] <DanaG> Hey, let's randomly remove a symbol, just for the hell of it!
[05:31] <tanath> i upgraded largely in the vain hope that it would fix my graphics issue. unfortunately not, it seems. i have graphical glitches that make it difficult to see anything
[05:31] <syn-ack> haha
[05:31] <tanath> syn-ack, how has development changed?
[05:31] <DanaG> Literally the ONLY thing that changed (in terms of fglrx compatibility) compared to 2.6.30 was that they removed EXPORT_SYMBOL(find_task_by_vpid)
[05:31] <kklimonda> DanaG: kernel's developers were always saying that they don't care about 3rd party, closed modules..
[05:31] <DanaG> Still, they could've warned AMD/ATI at least a month in advanced.
[05:32] <DanaG> Marked it deprecated, for example.
[05:32] <syn-ack> tanath: instead of having two branches, they develop off one branch.
[05:32] <DanaG> And not just unexpectedly removed it.
[05:32] <tanath> syn-ack, hrm
[05:32] <kklimonda> DanaG: I think they do it on purpose.. ;)
[05:32] <syn-ack> tanath: it used to be odds were the dev branch and evens productions
[05:32] <DanaG> Last time it was the "unused" pci_num_busses
[05:32] <tanath> syn-ack, what's the main advantage of doing it the previous way? i presume there's a reason for the change...
[05:33] <tanath> syn-ack, i remember that much
[05:33] <syn-ack> tanath: the reason for the change was that linus got lazy, imo
[05:33] <tanath> lol
[05:33] <RAOF> Also, revision control tools became much better.
[05:33] <DanaG> s/advanced/advance/
[05:33] <syn-ack> I hardly think git is better than bitkeeper
[05:33] <tanath> well, i got these graphical problems before the karmic upgrade... it was a recent set of updates
[05:34] <RAOF> tanath: Intel?
[05:34] <syn-ack> anyway, bbiab
[05:34] <tanath> but now i can barely see anything. it's really bad >.<
[05:34] <kklimonda> tanath: you should report a regression and not update to unstable version ;)
[05:34] <RAOF> tanath: Because there's a nice Intel bug fixed in 2.6.31-3-generic
[05:34] <tanath> RAOF, hm? ati radeon 9800se :-/
[05:34] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and now I have a working mute LED!
[05:34] <DanaG> Yay.
[05:34] <tanath> Ranakah, and intel cpu, yes.
[05:35] <RAOF> tanath: Well, then your problem isn't going to be the one that -3-generic fixed for me, then :)
[05:35] <tanath> kklimonda, i did file a bug (or subscribe to an existing one). i forget
[05:35] <tanath> but hasn't been fixed yet
[05:36] <tanath> but it's a big prob. i'm surprised the updates made it out
[05:36] <kklimonda> you could try nudging developers on irc - regressions in stable release are critical..
[05:36] <tanath> i don't go on enough to remember who the devs are. and they're often busy anyway :P
[05:37] <kklimonda> tanath: I'd start with a guy who made an upload that broke your card
[05:37] <tanath> i have to repeatedly select text here to make it repaint to make it more readable >_<
[05:37] <tanath> kklimonda, i haven't narrowed it down
[05:38] <tanath> kklimonda, i didn't get the issue until i rebooted, and i went through a couple updates in that time
[05:38] <DanaG> argh, gnome-power-manager UNDERestimates the accuracy of my ACPI battery meter.
[05:39] <tanath> kklimonda, and i waited for more updates in the hopes of it being fixed...
[05:39] <tanath> and by then, i didn't want to deal with it anymore, so tried karmic. alas, that failed too
[05:39] <tanath> so i'm not the happiest camper
[05:40] <tanath> this is a knife would compared to the 'paper cuts' :P
[05:41] <tanath> oh, and compiz now segfaults :-/
[05:43] <tanath> don't suppose anyone can help me narrow down my graphics issue?
[05:43] <kklimonda> tanath: go to #ubuntu-bugs
[05:43] <kklimonda> but at this hour it's pretty empty ;)
[05:44] <tanath> :-/
[05:46] <tanath> no response yet...
[05:46] <kklimonda> well, you were redirected ;)
[05:47] <syn-ack> haha
[05:50] <tanath> that's 2 redirections. lets go for a 3rd :P
[05:53] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/extace/+bug/399565
[05:53] <DanaG> tweaked my bug report.
[05:58] <tanath> damn, ubuntu-tweak segfaults. everything's borked :-/
[05:59] <tanath> i understand there's a goal of reducing the boot time to like 10 seconds... a little stability is advised before optimization, no? :P
[06:01] <syn-ack> tanath: come again?
[06:02] <tanath> syn-ack, hm?
[06:02] <syn-ack> define stability before optimization...
[06:02] <tanath> should have stable code before trying to optimize it
[06:02] <syn-ack> tanath: how is the code not stable?
[06:03] <tanath> otherwise it's like the coffee poster: drink coffee & do stupid things faster with more energy! XD
[06:03] <syn-ack> I mean this is a development line...
[06:03] <tanath> syn-ack, everything's crashing
[06:03] <tanath> compiz segfaults, ubuntu-tweak segfaults, some applets crashed... prolly half the other things i wanna run will too :P
[06:04] <tanath> syn-ack, i'm teasing, but i'm saying it's not very stable and if that goal is going to be met it seems there's a lot of work to do
[06:04] <syn-ack> There is, thats for sure...
[06:26] <miles_> I am attempting to install today's snapshot using WUBI.EXE.  I would like to have EXT4 used as the default filesystem when I install.  Is that supported for a WUBI install?
[06:27] <miles_> I tried extracting WUBI.EXE from the cdimage, but when I run it, it tries to download a torrent file.  It seems to never locate the torrent file, but also gives no error.  It just sits there.
[06:28] <miles_> I have checked my network adapter throughput, and it doesn't seem to be downloading anything.
[06:28] <miles_> I also tried extracting the entire cdimage to a directory and running WUBI,EXE from there.  That gave me the same result.
[06:30] <miles_> It seems to me that WUBI should recognize when either the cdimage is in the current working directory, or that it is being run from a directory within the cdimage tree.
[06:30] <miles_> I would like to have it not try to download the iso if I already have done so.
[06:31] <miles_> Additionally, I am wondering whether there is some command line option that will enable me to have WUBI use EXT4 for the root disk format.
[06:32] <miles_> I am leary of having to convert the partition to EXT4 after the initial installation.
[06:32] <miles_> Is anyone home?
[06:33] <miles_> If you have any answers for me, you can send them to miles.lane@gmail.com.
[06:34] <reto`> does anyone have the problem that when the screen is put to sleep it will still have the backlight on? I have this problem sometimes here on the netbook with karmic, but it also happens on jaunty on my desktop. wonder why it sometimes does it right and the again wrong...
[06:41] <miles_> Is anyone home?
[06:52] <miles_> Hello?
[06:56] <miles_> Anyone here?
[07:04] <veck> is k3b broken ?
[07:37] <veck> how do i install yhe auth key for 4.3 rc 2?
[07:38] <veck> cannot seem to import it to software sources any way to add it from command?
[08:14] <ripps> I see empathy has finally hit ubuntu-desktop, but It doesn't have any indicator functionality. Is that in the works?
[08:59] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  could someone with upload rights please merge the two attached maintainer scripts at LP bug #399482 ?
[09:01] <ikonia> Q-FUNK: contact the maintainer
[09:02] <Q-FUNK> ikonia: ubuntu team maintains everything.  it's up to whoever catches a bug to fix it. :)
[09:36] <ikonia> Q-FUNK: yes, so instead of asking "a person" in here - contact the package maintainer
[09:50] <Q-FUNK> ikonia: there is no single maintainer at ubuntu.
[10:33] <JMFTheVCI> When running a "Connect to Server" using SSH I get a "SSH program unexpectedly exited" message and no connection. This was working on this machine in Jaunty but is broken for me in Karmic. Google is not being my friend today and cannot find a solution. thoughts?
[10:44] <oldude67> <head desk hard...
[10:45] <JMFTheVCI> Self: cured. Was a bad line in /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[10:45] <JMFTheVCI> oldude67: wassup?
[10:47] <oldude67> hang over
[10:47] <JMFTheVCI> somewhat off(color) topic then?
[10:47] <oldude67> is there anyway to get the blue tooth package to quit trying to update?
[10:49] <JMFTheVCI> The BlueTooth update has a bug. To get it to install you need to edit /etc/init.d/bluetooth.  On the line that has "pkill -TERM bluetoothd" change it to "pkill -TERM bluetoothd || true"
[10:50] <JMFTheVCI> Then run the update again. It will prompt you to replace the init.d file so say yes.
[10:50] <oldude67> cant just tell it not to install i dont use blue tooth anyways.
[10:51] <oldude67> oh well ill give it a shot
[10:51] <JMFTheVCI> There are somethings you can do to hold back updates but I am not the expert. At the moment I am applying every fix that is there.
[10:52] <oldude67> i have had those days..lmao
[10:52] <JMFTheVCI> I'm still plagued by that annoying gnome simple login helper pop-up which has yet to be fixed.
[10:53] <oldude67> same here..dont fill bad.
[10:55] <oldude67> ok now how do i get out of that?
[10:55] <oldude67> grrr.
[10:55] <oldude67> lol
[10:56] <JMFTheVCI> ? out of what?
[10:56] <oldude67> pico its been a while..lol
[10:57] <JMFTheVCI> Ctrl-O to save. Then Ctrl-X to exit
[10:57] <JMFTheVCI> Press enter to select the file name after Ctrl-O
[10:59] <oldude67> well lets see if it errors now...
[10:59] <oldude67> now why couldnt gdm be that easy lol
[11:01] <oldude67> y
[11:02] <oldude67> JMFTheVCI, thanks that seemed to work...
[11:03] <oldude67> one fix done 2 to go...yeah...lol
[11:03] <JMFTheVCI> Cool. There was a bug listed. Your crash tool should have taken you to the list of possible matching bugs.
[11:03] <oldude67> since installing the new kernel some of my stuff isnt working right.
[11:04] <JMFTheVCI> Let me guess Gnome is a bit hit & miss?
[11:04] <oldude67> a yeah and video is so botched.
[11:05] <oldude67> i guess intel is not a good video card right now..lol
[11:05] <JMFTheVCI> 2.6.31-3 has been ok so far. 2.6.31-2 was rubbish. I still have 2.6.30-10 installed which appears very solid. I also have an Intel card. No problems. Compiz fine.
[11:06] <oldude67> 2.6.31-3 video jumps from side to side had to fall back to -2
[11:07] <oldude67> someone said something about kdm on the intel card and that the rc4 should correct it next week so i havent messed with it.
[11:10] <oldude67> yeah and now its going to storm so ill probably lose power and everything will be fubarred again..just freakin lovely.
[11:15] <oldude67> ok if i cant use gdm how do i change the log in screen to something better???
[11:17] <Twigathy> install xdm >_>
[11:17] <Twigathy> Although I'm not sure I'd call that better. Just different :)
[11:18] <oldude67> anything has to be better then the standard kdm login
[11:22] <oldude67> ok and is it just me or is anyone else having problems with k3b and brasero not seeing there cd/dvd burners?
[11:26] <yofel_> oldude67: I didn't test mine on my notebook but there were other folks having that problem
[11:27] <oldude67> ok so then it is a known problem then?
[11:28] <yofel> not sure, didn't really follow the topic
[11:29] <oldude67> well my burners show up in sysinfo with all the model #'s and stuff just are not seen to burn cd's or dvd's
[12:08] <oldude67> ok reboot and see what happens yeah
[12:08] <oldude67> lol
[13:14] <oldude67> gotta love irc..lol
[15:54] <BluesKaj> hi folks
[15:57] <reto`> hey
[15:58] <gnomefreak> if your gnome-menu re-populated with things you removed its known and being worked on atm
[16:54] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt_, ping
[17:16] <cemunal> i want to use latest kernel and latest apps. with ubuntu. is karmic daily images unstable?
[17:16] <cemunal> can i use on my desktop
[17:17] <cemunal> i want to make command line install.
[17:17] <cemunal> after that apt-get install xorg openbox tint2
[17:21] <gnomefreak> alterante installer works atleast did a day or 2 ago
[17:22] <BluesKaj> cemunal, no gnome or kde default desktop ?
[17:23] <gnomefreak> i cant recall if F4 has server option or if that is on another installer
[17:23] <cemunal> no i will use only openbox
[17:25] <cemunal> isn't there like boot_only.iso or netinst.iso ?
[17:25] <BluesKaj> is openbox a good desktop for older slow pc's that don't have lot of memory ?
[17:25] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: yes
[17:25]  * gnomefreak gone for now
[17:29] <BluesKaj> cemunal, I'm thing of an 10yrold 366mhz pc with 256mb ram , which I swapped in a 40G HDD . The pc still chugs away very well and id like to install an OS and desktop that is faster and less demanding tham XP.
[17:29] <BluesKaj> thinking
[17:29] <BluesKaj> than xp
[17:30] <cemunal> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[17:30] <cemunal> what is this?
[17:30] <jpds> cemunal: Netboot installer?
[17:30] <cemunal> ok BluesKaj
[17:31] <cemunal> jpds: can i install karmic with it?
[17:31] <jpds> cemunal: Yes.
[17:31] <cemunal> ok
[17:31] <cemunal> thanks
[17:32] <Daviey> cemunal: you know karmic isn't stable, right?
[17:33] <cemunal> Daviey: yes but i want to try.
[17:34] <cemunal> jpds: can i install a command line system with netboot image?
[17:34] <Daviey> cemunal: yes
[17:34] <cemunal> thanks again
[17:34] <cemunal> thanks all
[17:47] <cemunal> is karmic unstable than debian sid?
[17:48] <cemunal> do you have an idea?
[19:08] <DanaG> damnit, PulseAudio keeps aborting.
[19:08] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/pulse.log
[19:14] <miik_> hey dudes
[19:14] <miik_> i just installed the update
[19:14] <miik_> The following packages will be upgraded:
[19:14] <miik_>   apport apport-gtk bluez gnome-menus libgnome-menu2 python-apport python-gmenu python-problem-report
[19:15] <miik_> and now all my menus from "Applications" disappear :(
[19:18] <miik_> dude you broke my menus, now fix them
[19:32] <veck> How do I find this missing key? http://pastebin.com/m32474004
[19:35] <MrStein> ubottu suggestion for changing hostname does not apply , there is no menu System > Administration > Networking on the "General" tab ...
[19:36] <MrStein> hey, who talked to you ? ;-)
[19:36] <veck> lol
[19:37] <Pici> miik_: Have you logged a bug?
[19:37] <yofel> veck: you can get the key from the same place you got the sources.list lines from
[19:40] <miik_> no
[19:42] <veck> that was helpfull
[19:43] <veck> dontknow which software soure its refering to
[19:45] <yofel> veck: easiest way to find out would be to disable your ppa sources one by one and check when the error stops
[19:45] <veck> yofel: ah good idea thnx
[19:55] <yoasif> hows it going
[21:26] <BUGabundo> guud evenings
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[21:26] <charlie-tca> How's life today?
[21:28] <BUGabundo> tired very tired
[21:29] <BUGabundo> and you my good friend charlie-tca?
[21:29]  * BUGabundo who's first name I don't recall at the moment :(
[21:30] <charlie-tca> sorry to hear that. Doing fine, myself, today
[21:30]  * charlie-tca who's first name is Charlie
[21:31] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:31] <BUGabundo> no need to be sorry
[21:31] <BUGabundo> I _like_ my work
[21:31] <charlie-tca> That counts a lot, these days
[21:31] <BUGabundo> I just wish it would be in another evenryment
[21:31] <BUGabundo> but that's another story
[21:31] <BUGabundo> good for a blog, not irc :)
[21:32] <charlie-tca> I understand that.
[21:32] <robin0800> alt + F2 not working is there a bug report or a work around?
[21:32] <charlie-tca> What isn't working today
[21:33] <robin0800>  charlie-tca can't get a run command
[21:33] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: more like what *is* working today
[21:33]  * BUGabundo running updates for the 1st time in 3 days
[21:34] <BUGabundo> since my rsync won't finish, I better at least test karmic
[21:34] <charlie-tca> 3 days! Are you in for it, now.
[21:34] <charlie-tca> robin0800: what broke in Alt+F2?
[21:35] <robin0800> charlie-tca, Can't get a run command
[21:36] <BUGabundo> Need to get 218MB of archives. After unpacking 203MB will be used.
[21:36] <charlie-tca> I am still on the .30-10 kernel, with no problems. I'll load up the newest one and verify it.
[21:37] <robin0800> BUGabundo, and when you've done that check alt f2 please
[21:37] <yofel> robin0800: it's broken for me too
[21:38] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:38]  * BUGabundo is glad he uses Gnome DO
[21:38]  * yofel too
[21:40] <Bmw1000c> see BUGabundo my awn bug was confirmed
[21:40] <Bmw1000c> ehe
[21:41] <BUGabundo> Bmw1000c: only you would still use awn
[21:42] <BUGabundo> when DO is sooooo much better
[21:42] <Bmw1000c> i dont use it atm
[21:52] <pace_t_zulu> is the bluez install fail a known issue if karmic right now
[21:53] <syn-ack> yes
[21:53] <yofel> BUGabundo: does the ubuntuone-client nightly work for you after the update to +r80 ? Here it crashes
[21:54] <BUGabundo> still upgrading
[21:54] <BUGabundo> ping me in a bit and ill test it
[21:54] <BUGabundo> 29% [37 linux-image-2.6.31-3-generic 15320011/28.5MB 53%] [2 chromium-browser 16700070/18.3MB 91%]       9143B/s 4h 38min 49s
[21:55] <pace_t_zulu> eh... anyone having problems with gdm login to gnome?
[21:55] <syn-ack> define problems
[21:55] <BUGabundo> eheh no idea where aptitude is making that magic 4h number
[21:55] <BUGabundo> define works
[21:55] <syn-ack> BUGabundo, Good point
[21:57] <pace_t_zulu> syn-ack: can't login to gnome
[21:58] <pace_t_zulu> syn-ack: login starts and the just gets knocked back to gdm
[21:58] <syn-ack> I've heard of those issues, though I've not had them myself
[21:59] <syn-ack> standby
[21:59] <pace_t_zulu> ack
[21:59] <pace_t_zulu> :)
[21:59] <yofel> pace_t_zulu: anything useful in dmesg /var/log/syslog and /var/log/Xorg.0.log[.old] ?
[21:59] <BUGabundo> sooo now you don't even have a gnome fail safe?
[22:00] <syn-ack> I'm trying to find the bug report which mentioned that weirdness
[22:01] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: gdm doesn't have a way for me to select a different session
[22:01] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: that sucks
[22:02] <BUGabundo> so now ppl can change between WM?
[22:02] <pace_t_zulu> perhaps i need to rebuild my vm tools... i see we've got  a new kernel image
[22:02] <syn-ack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/391797
[22:04] <pace_t_zulu> syn-ack: i've got 2.6.31-3
[22:04] <charlie-tca> pace_t_zulu: Have to click on the user name, then you should get a session box at the bottom of the screen
[22:04] <charlie-tca> Then enter the password without rolling the mouse over login or cancel
[22:04] <BUGabundo> I dislike the new workflow
[22:04] <BUGabundo> its such a mess compared to old gdm
[22:04] <pace_t_zulu> charlie-tca: i will look at that when i rebuild the vm tools
[22:05] <charlie-tca> I really dislike having to choose xfce-session every login
[22:05] <syn-ack> BUGabundo, I'm kinda hoping the old GDM gets replaced by final
[22:05] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: where do you choose?
[22:05] <syn-ack> I mean, its been skipped 3 cycles already but yeah, its a piece of... err yeah
[22:05] <BUGabundo> I don't see a place for kde or failsafe
[22:05] <pace_t_zulu> yeah i'm not a fan of the current gdm... much prefer jaunty's
[22:06] <pace_t_zulu> charlie-tca: don't see a session box at the bottom of the screen
[22:06] <charlie-tca> You don't get failsafe anymore with the new gdm, do you? I don't even get a "fix xorg" type thing on the recovery menu anymore.
[22:06] <syn-ack> pace_t_zulu, unfortunately its all the upstream on this one
[22:06] <charlie-tca> You have to click the user name first
[22:07] <charlie-tca> Should be next to the wheelchair guy
[22:07] <pace_t_zulu> charlie-tca: i can select the language and keyboard layout
[22:07] <charlie-tca> hmmm, don't know then.
[22:08]  * charlie-tca really don't like this new gdm thing at all...
[22:10] <BUGabundo> ehh
[22:10] <BUGabundo> lets open another #2 bug
[22:10] <BUGabundo> like the one for UM
[22:10] <BUGabundo> that came out right
[22:10] <pace_t_zulu> yeah... so rebuilding the vmware tools didn't fix it
[22:10] <BUGabundo> we even lost bruce89 'cause of that :(
[22:11] <pace_t_zulu> good news is that my native install doesn't have this problem
[22:12] <Q-FUNK> I really don't understand the point or redoing the UI on this gdm.  rewrite the underlying infrastrcture to use the gnome shell?  ok, why not. but why redo the UI?
[22:13] <BUGabundo> Need to get 167MB/218MB of archives. After unpacking 203MB will be used.
[22:13] <BUGabundo> seems I need to try again....
[22:13] <BUGabundo> is it just me or are PPAs slow?
[22:13] <Q-FUNK> this variant on the old xdm paradigm really is horrible.
[22:15] <BUGabundo> having a python app called sudi sucks!!!
[22:15] <BUGabundo> I keep using that instead sudo lol
[22:16] <Q-FUNK> heh
[22:16] <BUGabundo>        3.21M 100%   17.81MB/s    0:00:00 (xfer#227988, to-check=1105/236110)
[22:16] <BUGabundo> this is going to take me a *while* :(
[22:20] <charlie-tca> robin0800: that seems like a pretty mean bug with Alt+F2.
[22:22] <yofel> charlie-tca: yup, it's really annoying, let's praise gnome-do :P
[22:22] <charlie-tca> Has it been filed yet?
[22:24] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: worse then GKSU feeding ***** instead the password ? LOL
[22:25] <DreadKnight> hello, latest updates broke my install
[22:25] <charlie-tca> yeah, when you use Alt+F2, type in 'gksu thunar' , and enter the password, it just closes
[22:25] <yofel> DreadKnight: in what way?
[22:25] <charlie-tca> It don't really do anything that I am seeing
[22:25] <DreadKnight> i wasn't getting X... i managed to get x using "nomodeset"
[22:26] <yofel> charlie-tca: yeah noticed that as well with apport, typ pw and it just vanishes
[22:26] <charlie-tca> yup, no error, no nothing, right?
[22:27] <yofel> nope, no error
[22:27] <pace_t_zulu> i think it's vmware-tools
[22:28] <charlie-tca> pace_t_zulu: ???
[22:28] <syn-ack> thats why I run my dev system on bare iron
[22:28] <charlie-tca> I don't use vmware
[22:28] <pace_t_zulu> i've got a native install too... it's just fine
[22:29] <yofel> hm, can't find any bug regarding the alt+f2 issue
[22:29] <syn-ack> hrm
[22:29] <syn-ack> odd
[22:29] <syn-ack> I cant pull the Applications Menu on the Panel up
[22:29]  * syn-ack investigates
[22:30] <yofel> syn-ack: update, was fixed a while ago
[22:30] <DreadKnight> yofel, any idea regarding what i said? :D
[22:30] <syn-ack> I was going to. cant pull up the menu to access gnome term
[22:30] <robin0800> syn-ack, A reboot fixed mine
[22:31] <syn-ack> alt-F2 it is
[22:31] <pace_t_zulu> hmm... it seems pretty stuffed
[22:31] <yofel> DreadKnight: nope, I'm no X expert
[22:31] <syn-ack> robin0800, Thanks, just updated and forgot to reboot. heh
[22:31] <billybigrigger> anyone else loose System>Preferences & Administration?
[22:31] <DreadKnight> yofel, buuhuu T_T
[22:33] <yofel> billybigrigger: err no?
[22:33] <billybigrigger> hmm
[22:33] <billybigrigger> i did
[22:33] <pace_t_zulu> can't get gdm anymore... so i purged gdm and installed it again
[22:33] <billybigrigger> :)
[22:34] <BUGabundo> humm syn-ack went way, I filled that bug about not being able to move applets
[22:35] <syn-ack> hahaha
[22:35] <syn-ack> yep, reboot fixed it. gah, I'm slow
[22:36] <yofel> BUGabundo: bug number? I didn't get that yesterday, but today I can't move them as wel
[22:36] <yofel> *well
[22:43] <charlie-tca> yofel, robin0800: is someone filing the alt + f2 bug? run gksu ??? in a terminal creates a lot of errors.
[22:44] <yofel> huh? now gksu works fine... wth
[22:45] <charlie-tca> huh?
[22:45] <hggdh> yes, so it seems
[22:45] <hggdh> no, it does not, not from a terminal
[22:46] <hggdh> gksu barfed with memory corruption. Is this the issue, charlie-tca?
[22:46] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:47] <charlie-tca> Did not accept the password, either
[22:47] <hggdh> hum. Lemme check that
[22:48] <charlie-tca> put the password in once, got a message that it failed with 3 incorrect attempts
[22:49] <hggdh> I ran with a bad password, and got what seems the same issue I got before -- malloc() memory consolidation error
[22:50] <hggdh> now, with a correct password, it ran fine
[22:50] <hggdh> this is weird
[22:50] <charlie-tca> So, this is gonna be one of those bugs, huh?
[22:51] <charlie-tca> Guess I will until tomorrow to see what really happens, then.
[22:52] <hggdh> guess so...
[22:54] <DanaG> AAAUGH, I hate that stupid taskbar-scroll mis-feature!
[22:59] <pace_t_zulu> the gdm problem was a driver issue...
[23:06] <BUGabundo>      733.83M 100%   14.13MB/s    0:00:49 (xfer#244692, to-check=20/253347)
[23:06] <BUGabundo> almost there
[23:06] <BUGabundo> woot
[23:08] <yofel> BUGabundo: applet movement bug number? I didn't get that yesterday, but today I can't move them as well
[23:08] <BUGabundo> (10:38:41 PM) freenode: yofel: its on my mail
[23:08] <BUGabundo> (10:38:53 PM) freenode: which I can't open due to being running rsync :(
[23:08] <BUGabundo> (10:38:59 PM) freenode: sooo no mail for 2 days
[23:08] <yofel> oh, ok ;)
[23:13] <filosofic> Arrrgggghhhhh.... keep getting a "Firefox-3.5 is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Firefox-3.5 process, or restart your system." error while running 9.10.  Fixed it before by using synaptic to reinstall, or deleting a file called parent.lock? or making sure the permission were all ok... but even after all that... error keeps coming.  Is this a 9.10 issue or a FF3.5 one?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> lolololol
[23:14] <BUGabundo> filosofic: open a terminal and kill the firefox still running
[23:14] <BUGabundo> filosofic: $# pkill firefox
[23:15] <BUGabundo> some ppl like to do the overkill way LOLOL to use synaptic for that
[23:15] <Q-FUNK> that reminds me:  isn't the firefox metapackage supposed to start pulling firefox-3.5 in karmic?
[23:16] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:17] <filosofic> sudo pkill firefox
[23:17] <filosofic> didn't work
[23:17] <robin0800> BUGabundo, When I tried it yesterday got 3.5 beta!
[23:17] <BUGabundo> filosofic: LOLOLOL why sudo ?
[23:17] <BUGabundo> this guy would be able to write a book
[23:18] <BUGabundo> filosofic: ps auxw | grep firefox
[23:18] <BUGabundo> and put it onto a pastebin
[23:18] <filosofic> ahhh i sudo everything in ubuntu...
[23:18] <BUGabundo> paste > filosofic
[23:18] <filosofic> but pkill firefox w/o sudo didn't work either
[23:18] <BUGabundo> robin0800: I use daily ppa and FF3.6
[23:18] <filosofic> ahhh..
[23:18] <BUGabundo> filosofic: that's so wrong in soooo many levers
[23:19] <BUGabundo> NEVER use sudo IF you don't need to change a system setting
[23:19] <robin0800> BUGabundo, I downloaded 3.5 from the web
[23:20] <BUGabundo> robin0800: WHY?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> I'll start ignoring ppl who get packages from other sources other then archive or PPAs/repos :)
[23:21] <filosofic> hmm.... ps auxw | grep firefox yielded nothing
[23:21] <hggdh> even ppas, BUGabundo
[23:21] <BUGabundo> then its not running
[23:22] <BUGabundo> filosofic: try on a cli: $ firefox-3.5
[23:22] <BUGabundo> hggdh: sure. NOT all PPAs are supported !
[23:22] <BUGabundo> not "all", MOST
[23:22] <filosofic> but i keep getting the error.... 3.1 runs... maybe i'll switch to opera10... no what am i thinking...
[23:22] <BUGabundo> filosofic: there is not FF3.1
[23:22] <filosofic> cli for firefox-3.5
[23:22] <filosofic>  does the same
[23:23] <filosofic> 3.01
[23:23] <BUGabundo> there used to be.... many months ago
[23:23] <BUGabundo> unless you haven't updated since
[23:23] <BUGabundo> filosofic:  pastebin the following: $ apt-cache policy firefox-3.5
[23:25] <BUGabundo> sent 121.26G bytes  received 4.66M bytes  17.64M bytes/sec
[23:25] <BUGabundo> total size is 121.23G  speedup is 1.00
[23:25] <BUGabundo> finnaly
[23:27] <filosofic> pastebin at: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m1ca524e0
[23:28] <filosofic> but nothing unusual that i can see....
[23:34] <GuidoVb> Hi, i'm testing karmic koala, i have an issue using 1440x900 screen resolution... can anybody help me?
[23:36] <hggdh> GuidoVb: ask/tell your question/problem, if someone here can help, they will ;-)
[23:37] <BUGabundo> GuidoVb: what GPU?
[23:37] <GuidoVb> thanks, i have an i945 chipset in my notebook, while using jaunty there was no problem, but when i upgraded to karmic it started flickering when i open new applications or scroll the scree
[23:38] <GuidoVb> lspci -v: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[23:39] <GuidoVb> Now i'm using 1360x768 (it's horrible but no flickering :)
[23:40] <GuidoVb> i was trying to search in launchpad for a similar reported bug, but i couldn't find anyone
[23:41] <BUGabundo> GuidoVb: so file one
[23:41] <BUGabundo> and try the x-sqaters PPAs
[23:41] <BUGabundo> for the new intel driver and new mesa
[23:42] <BUGabundo> GuidoVb: $ ubuntu-bug video
[23:43] <GuidoVb> thanks, will try new drivers and file a new bug
[23:43] <BUGabundo> /dev/sdb1             1.4T  129G  1.2T  10% /media/disk
[23:43] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:44] <BUGabundo> GuidoVb: actually it should be the other way around :))
[23:45] <GuidoVb> sorry, can't find x-sqaters PPAs, are you sure about his username?
[23:46] <GuidoVb> one newbie question, how can i check which video driver is loaded?
[23:51] <BUGabundo> GuidoVb: I typed it bad
[23:55] <GuidoVb> done Bugabundo, i submitted the new bug
[23:56] <GuidoVb> what's the correct id for "x-sqaters"?
[23:58] <BUGabundo> yofel: you know this by heart?
[23:58] <BUGabundo> I only recall x-edgers
[23:58] <BUGabundo> but GuidoVb doesn't want that
[23:58] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: do you remember the PPA team?
[23:59] <Sarvatt> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[23:59] <GuidoVb> yeah! thanks!
[23:59] <Sarvatt> havent read any of the chat log but guessing you mean xorg-edgers
[23:59] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: err not THAT one
[23:59] <Sarvatt> ?