[03:12] Hi! :) I'd like to offer a sponsorship to the active developers of Edubunty. anyone from devs here now ? [03:14] s/i'd like/i want/ [03:14] Evening all [03:15] Plisk: ? [03:15] sbalneav: Hi [03:16] sbalneav: what have you question about ? [03:16] Define "sponsorship" [03:17] i want to see contributions so far for active developers and pay them for the work they done so far. also i want to pay them for any further active work on the Edubunty [03:20] other questions ? [03:21] And you're doing this out of the goodness of your heart, or do you have an agenda you're looking for? [03:22] Speaking only for myself, but as a developer, IMHO, what we need is more developers, not more money :) [03:23] Out of the goodness of your heart - you're right. You can read up more about my intensions here http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/90brb/creating_a_company_to_develop_maintain_and/c0b1ce2 [03:24] Well, i can give what i can - energy(money). [03:27] Well, speaking for myself, I'm happy to keep plugging along under my own steam. However, you might get other responses by posting to the mailing list. [03:27] You say you have a company set up for this. URL? [03:28] Should i write to edubuntu-devel with this ? [03:29] About company - well, it is being created now. But after talking there on reddit with Svenstaro i don't know now whether i'll need any URL or company at all or i can just send money with paypal to devs and thats all. [03:33] Plisk: Well, you'd probably get the most responses on the edubuntu-devel list. [03:34] okay, thank you. i'll post there [03:45] done :) [03:58] hi, Im using Ubuntu 8.04.3 LTS [03:58] can I download Ubuntu 9.04 Educational Addon ? [04:35] acp_: You can, but you also have to upgrade to Ubuntu 9.04 as well. [05:43] ok thanks [07:39] hi all [07:40] anyone want to come to our conference about edubuntu on august 29/30 [07:40] #flossk channel [09:32] sbalneav, poke [13:46] Plisk, are you here? [13:50] anyone want to come to our conference about edubuntu on august 29/30 [13:51] Where's that? [13:52] Prishtina, Kosovo #flossk [13:52] i mean the conference is about floss in general [13:52] and we would like people to talk abot edbuntu [13:52] edubntu [13:52] edubuntu [14:36] acp i wouldn't [14:39] Good Morninging Edubuntu-land [15:47] hey there sbalneav [15:49] sbalneav, are you there? [16:02] highvoltage, have you seen "Plisk" talk around here? [16:08] Svenstar0: he last talked here at 2:45 UTC [16:10] Oh I see [16:10] Is his IRC user name "Plisk" as well? [16:25] when is the meeting? [16:25] Svenstar0: 04:10 -!- Plisk [n=Plisk@80.249.92.15] has joined #edubuntu [16:26] Ahmuck-Jr: 19:00 UTC [16:26] ? [16:26] yes? [16:31] Svenstar0: yes [16:32] Svenstar0: You rang? [16:32] :) [16:33] Did you talk to "Plisk"? [16:34] Last night I did, yes. [16:35] I urge you to be careful with that guy. [16:35] heh [16:35] <_UsUrPeR_> hey all [16:35] I wasn't biting. [16:35] He is in some kind of "do-good" cult aka Scientology. [16:36] <_UsUrPeR_> I need some italc help. Is this the right place? [16:36] <_UsUrPeR_> oh hi scott :) [16:36] He seemed to want to give money away as part of some new "company" he's formed. No idea what for, no registered company, etc. [16:37] It didn't seem legit to me, so I told him I wasn't interested. Told him if he wanted to make the offer, the mailing list was probably the best place for it. [16:37] Me, I have no real desire to get paid for what I do with LTSP/Edubuntu. I do it for a different set of reasons :) [16:38] How do you know he's a Scieno? [16:39] Seems like the same kind of "crazy" to me. [16:39] Well, I wouldn't accuse anyone of being anything unless you have proof :) But I will say the offer didn't seem.... too serious. I'll leave it at that :) [16:54] http://picasaweb.google.com/rotmer/HUPecK#5357859767808812450 [16:55] That's his picasa gallery [17:41] Have a look at his reddit comments, I think that says it all: http://www.reddit.com/user/plisk [17:43] sbalneav, You are a Sabayon developer, aren't you? [17:43] It's been stalled for some time and hasn't ever worked for me. Is that improving? (no offense, really) [18:02] <_UsUrPeR_> Am I in the right place for some iTalc support questions? [18:03] _UsUrPeR_, stgraber would be the one to ask for that...might wanna try #ltsp too though he's here [18:03] (or at least in the chan) [18:03] <_UsUrPeR_> yeah, I have been. He's pretty busy at a conference at the moment [18:03] ah [18:04] _UsUrPeR_, so you were talking about possibly contributing to tcm the other day, then disappeared... :) [18:06] <_UsUrPeR_> lns: I am still interested. [18:06] _UsUrPeR_, cool! do you have an idea of what you'd like to do to help out? [18:07] <_UsUrPeR_> unfortunately, my present employers were not interested :( [18:07] <_UsUrPeR_> I can gurantee you that I will be able to help out [18:07] <_UsUrPeR_> just not at this precise moment [18:08] <_UsUrPeR_> I am still interested in helping out though [18:08] no worries, i appreciate it! [18:08] Just lemme know if there's anything I can do [18:08] <_UsUrPeR_> will do [18:08] meeting here in ~1hr right? [18:10] * _UsUrPeR_ points to himself [18:10] <_UsUrPeR_> ? [18:17] oh..no i was asking anyone..i think there is...i think.. [18:23] Anyone know the state of GCompris suite for LTSP networks? Does it work very well? I know a couple of years ago it was fairly flaky (crashes often) [18:44] <|TrustyLiebowitz> what IRC programs do you guys like for ubuntu? [18:45] |TrustyLiebowitz, xchat works well [18:46] if you want a more command-line driven approach to irc, there's always bitchx [18:48] <|TrustyLiebowitz> I am using kvirc at the moment. Was the first thing I saw [18:48] <|TrustyLiebowitz> Not so much into command line stuff [18:48] <|TrustyLiebowitz> yet [18:48] <|TrustyLiebowitz> just comming over from windows where I used to use Mirc [18:48] <|TrustyLiebowitz> but pretty much doen with windows [18:52] |TrustyLiebowitz, try XChat out. It's a lot like mirc [19:09] Svenstar0: I'm not a developer, but I'm trying to fix it so that it works for us :) [19:11] * Lns looks around....meeting? [19:15] That on now? [19:16] Looks like there's some global jam thing going on in #ubuntu-meeting [19:16] Isn't the meeting at 19:00 UTC? [19:18] * Lns tries to figure out if it's 19:00 utc..heh [19:18] Lns, date -u [19:18] sbalneav: I, too, am unable to start sabayon - with your ppa in my sources. Does it start for you? [19:20] Hi All [19:20] Meeting today? [19:20] Not on the fridge? [19:21] aaaaaaaaah, 1hr [19:21] stupid daylight savings = [19:21] = [19:21] blargh [19:21] alkisg: It does for me, but if it doesn't start for you, that's a problem. [19:21] ok [19:21] Right! Thanks [19:22] sbalneav: whenever you have the time / mood for it, I'm up for debugging... [19:22] I've got one other person who it doesn't start for, but I've got a couple of people who it DOES start for, so still more work to be done. [19:23] Lns: thanks for the page you created on your site explaining about the benefits of thin clients--I'm just linking someone to it on an e-mail I'm sending :) [19:23] dgroos, Glad to hear others are seeing it :) [19:23] Right now I'm adding a "Featured Educational Applications" section [19:24] * alkisg is debianizing about 10 Gb of windows-based educational apps this summer.. wine and flash, mostly. If anyone's in a similar position, I'd be glad to change notes :) [19:26] alkisg, debianizing? you mean just getting them to work under wine? [19:26] Yes, but also installing for all users and creating menus etc [19:26] So e.g. if I was to debianize office, I would also associate the .doc extension to open in word etc [19:27] (all that inside the .deb file, nothing done manually) [19:28] gross [19:28] =p [19:29] Yeah I hope these wine devs make it easier some day :) [19:29] no i meant about debianizing ms office ;) [19:29] Ah, I think that's done already with wine-doors? [19:30] I don't think you can debianize windows software really [19:30] or at least wine programs, I don't think you can do system-wide installations yet [19:30] highvoltage: I've already done it for some of them [19:31] alkisg: how does that work? [19:32] I use a common read-only system.reg file, and I put the package files in /usr/share/package [19:32] Per-user registry is still kept in ~/.wine [19:33] I'll write a how-to when I'm done with it; I just wanted to exchange notes with anyone that tried something similar... [19:35] For extension association I use a wrapper script in /usr/bin/package [19:36] well, this really would be a big step forward with windows only edu apps... [19:39] indeed [19:43] hello Edubuntu land! [19:45] Greetings, Denizen of LaserLand. [19:45] * Lns greets LaserJock [19:55] is the meeting going to be in here or #ubuntu-meeting? [19:55] LaserJock: #ubuntu-meeting [20:00] Edubuntu meeting about to start in #ubuntu-meeting [20:09] Oh hi, meeting already started? [20:10] svenstaro: it's in #ubuntu-meeting [20:17] Is there an Edubuntu mailing list? [20:17] (if so, where do I sign up?) [20:18] edubuntu-users [20:18] or [20:18] edubuntu-devel [20:18] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users [20:18] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel [20:19] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-education [20:31] <|TrustyLiebowitz> what are meetings about? [20:32] <|TrustyLiebowitz> ubuntu annonymous? :D [20:46] |TrustyLiebowitz: working on edubuntu [20:52] edubuntu anonymous :D [20:53] <|TrustyLiebowitz> "Hi my name is Trusty and I have been off winblows for 48 hours now. I just wanna say thanks for all the support and you guys are really great! (Cries)" [20:54] <|TrustyLiebowitz> Since I basicly know nothing, I'll jus tsit over her ein the corner an crack jokes every so often [20:54] |TrustyLiebowitz: really? [20:56] <|TrustyLiebowitz> really which? That I don't know anything or been off windcrows for 48 hours? Or that I am the problem child in the corner? Answer to all is yes though :) [20:56] :) ... good to see you in the linux community. i hope you find us well, and not to cranky each morning :) [20:57] <|TrustyLiebowitz> if Lns is a good gauge, I like you guys jsut fine [20:58] <|TrustyLiebowitz> so if ya get sick of me it's his fault that I stayed :D [21:01] mhall119|work: I'm curious, did you look at Edubuntu before starting Qimo and if so what reasons did you have for not using it? [21:02] I did [21:02] My concerns were that there wasn't a LiveCD, and the interface didn't seem like it would work for my 3 year old [21:02] before I made Qimo, I made my son a regular Ubuntu install with customized panels very similar to how they are in Qimo [21:03] and it worked very well for him (still does, really) [21:05] well, those are the sorts of things we're aiming to fix [21:06] the LiveCD thing is a real problem [21:06] we just can't fit *everything* on a single CD [21:06] well, that i agree [21:06] yeah, I know, I had to strip stuff out of Xubuntu to make Qimo fit [21:06] I think I have 1MB of room left on the ISO [21:06] would edubuntu be able to list a set of programs that can be used in ubuntu that may not be gpl? [21:07] Ahmuck-Jr: how do you mean? [21:08] I still can't believe that a decision to go from CD to DVD can be so hard. [21:08] there are programs outside of gpl that work for kids. our kids self sleect [21:08] All Edubuntu stuff would fit comfortably onto a DVD [21:08] svenstaro: it's not [21:09] svenstaro: the actual decision took about 10 min. :-) [21:09] i'm not talking about setting programs on a cd, but a recommended list. [21:09] Well, LaserJock, HAS it actually been decided then? [21:09] yes [21:10] So that I might at last start work after 3 months of waiting [21:10] I emailed that 2-3 times over the last month [21:10] So we're going DVD? [21:10] Ahmuck-Jr: a list shouldn't be a problem at all [21:10] svenstaro: if people will work to make it happen, yes. We got the go-ahead from the Technical Board [21:10] Ahmuck-Jr: and even non-free things can go into the repositories, there's multiverse for that [21:11] The problem [21:11] as always [21:11] is [21:11] WHO [21:11] IS [21:11] a list wouldn't be a problem, but distribution of certain closed-source programs is [21:11] GOING [21:11] TO [21:11] LaserJock: It doesn't take a genius nor a large amount of work to combine the ubuntu and edubuntu preseeds :/ [21:11] PRODCE THE DVD :) [21:11] Ahmuck-Jr: I'm not exactly sure what you're looking for [21:11] svenstaro: no, it just takes coordination with the Ubuntu Release and CDImage Teams [21:12] LaserJock: so, let's get this started [21:12] LaserJock: there isn't a way to automate the merging? [21:12] stgraber: I sense you popping in [21:12] mhall119|work: it's not really the merging [21:12] How are we on the documentation? Is anybody actually going to clean it up? [21:13] mhall119|work: we need to coordinate with the Release/CDImage team to get the build running and cdimage.ubuntu.com updated [21:13] svenstaro: is there a roadmap for what needs to be cleaned up and how? [21:13] LaserJock: oh right, you've for official images [21:13] Just make it consistent with upstream and see if stuff tested for old ubuntu releases still works. [21:13] svenstaro: we hope so [21:14] LaserJock: So I'll just send you the preseeds and we're done? [21:14] It's really just a list with package names in it. [21:14] svenstaro: I ask because if there's something to point people in the right direction, it could be done as part of the Ubuntu Global Jam [21:14] svenstaro: no, not exactly [21:14] svenstaro: I can assure you LaserJock understands what preseeds look like [21:14] svenstaro: once the DVD builds are up and running it's just a matter of tweaking the DVD seed [21:15] but we need to get the initial boot-strapping going [21:15] LaserJock: cant we just start off with having a DVD with ubuntu-desktop and the edubuntu metapackages, at least to begin with, and then take it from there? [21:15] so emailing colin watson to get him (or send him a patch) to make Edubuntu build off of a new "dvd" seed [21:15] do any of you guys know what changes are going to happen in the liveCD images? I heard at SELF that aufs is being dropped [21:15] I still don't get the problem, then. It seems like the problem is purely bureaucratic. [21:16] svenstaro: well, it does take some work, and work from very busy people [21:16] but yeah, it shouldn't be a huge deal [21:16] *but* somebody needs to do it and I'm not that somebody [21:16] I have ~ 2 days to finish my PhD and I'm defending in ~ 1 week [21:17] LaserJock: would I be able to do it? I mean, as a non-motu/non-core-dev, would I be able to e-mail Colin and just ask him? [21:17] sure [21:17] LaserJock: ok I'll do it tomorrow morning then [21:17] just say per the TB discussion Edubuntu is going to move to a DVD [21:17] ok [21:17] and ask if he can make the changes or if he's to busy would he take a patch [21:18] if he needs a patch I *might* have a little time to help [21:18] will do [21:18] LaserJock: from a classroom instructor's point of view, i'm looking to go to a website, see what programs are available, some simple setup instructions for putting either a ubuntu server or ltsp server in the classroom, take all my 2003 or 2000 computers and connect them and have working pc's that my kids can use [21:18] but it would be waaaay faster to have him do it as he wrote the thing [21:18] Ahmuck-Jr: right, but what does the GPL have to do with it? [21:18] LaserJock: if your phd is coming up, i'd concentrate on that [21:18] LaserJock: ok, I'll try to use that factor to convince him to do it [21:18] I am, believe me [21:19] ok, so for the very first thing I'd just copy the Ubuntu DVD seed and make sure we get an Ubuntu DVD out [21:19] then we can start modifying things [21:19] the modifying might be fun for people actually [21:20] but we need to get the daily builds going in the first place [21:20] and then the release team needs to know that we're ditching the Addon Cd and doing the DVD [21:20] Hi everyone, just got the notice that mhall119|work asked me to join [21:20] LaserJock: I have an employee that I could make test edubuntu images at least once a week as part of his job [21:20] Michelle_Qimo: and thank you for joining! [21:20] hey, everyone, Michelle_Qimo is my wife, we're the dynamic duo of Qimo [21:21] and we need an Edubuntu Release Coordinator, I would perhaps suggest having stgraber or the EC for that [21:21] Michelle_Qimo: nice to meet you [21:21] Michelle_Qimo: hi [21:21] hi highvoltage and LaserJock. Thanks for having me! [21:21] LaserJock: I'm very much in favour of stgraber, and I'd take some mentoring from him as well if he's willing, so that I know how to do it as well [21:21] sure [21:22] LaserJock: I noticed a question mark next to your name on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/ReleaseManifest [21:22] it just takes somebody to give the go-ahead that things are tested and OK and most importantly somebody who can get ahold of people if something goes wrong [21:22] LaserJock: if stgraber agrees, can we put his name up for there to mdz? [21:22] highvoltage: exactly [21:22] yep, that's what I'm hoping for [21:22] but I don't want to overload him [21:23] brb, workping [21:23] Michelle_Qimo: we've been thinking of getting in touch with the two of you to get some (or even all) of your work into the Ubuntu archives [21:23] but he's got lots of testing experience (having largely written the testing website) so I think it should be fairly easy for him [21:23] Michelle_Qimo: we happened to run into mhall119|work while having our meeting just a few minutes ago, so we're happy that there was some chance in our favour there [21:24] LaserJock: that's encouraging [21:24] highvoltage: if you can help me with the XFCE/XDG stuff, I think I can make .Deb packages of everything custom in Qimo [21:24] he was saying that youguys can help him out a bit. [21:24] that's awesome, and I'm so thankful [21:24] LaserJock: I was thinking throughout this week that we might have to drop the dvd install disc for thise release, I wasn't very comfortable with the idea for karmic since the beginning, but I think I have more confidence in it now [21:25] LaserJock: I don't think we would've stood a chance this release without having stgraber around [21:25] mhall119|work: great, are you usually on-line this time of the day? [21:25] usually [21:25] I *think* it should be pretty straightfoward to do Ubuntu DVD+Edu apps for Karmic [21:25] sometimes I have to look like I'm working though [21:25] I'm concerned with our ability to sync with the Ubuntu DVD though [21:25] I leave this nick running 24/7 though, so it'll probably stay in here [21:26] in terms of installer bugs, etc. we have to stick *real* close [21:26] mhall119|work: ok, ping me tomorrow (or any other time you're on again and have some time), we'll go through it [21:26] I'm usually around, though, I'll stay in as well. [21:26] thanks highvoltage [21:27] LaserJock: can you help me clear up some ignorance here... [21:27] unless I'm similarly ignorant ;-) [21:28] LaserJock: will we need to specify the meta-packages that we also want on the dvd, or will he just include the current seeds for the packages on the current edubuntu disc? [21:28] no [21:28] what we'll have is a specific DVD seed [21:28] that pulls in from the various other seeds [21:29] so the disc is built from 1 seed, but that seed can inherit from other seeds [21:30] Will a new package be required for the live LTSP? [21:30] Or will it just be put in place on there? [21:30] I'm not sure about live LTSP [21:30] we might have to skip that for Karmic [21:31] Well it's not exactly magic. [21:31] no, but seeing as we're not far from Feature Freeze and we don't even have a DVD yet ... [21:32] Has anything been decided that concerns actual user experience? [21:33] LaserJock: I thought I told you about live LTSP before, we decided we'll just make a how-to for that, so it will simply be a piece of documentation [21:33] svenstaro: I haven't seen much of *anything* really decided [21:33] lots of ideas [21:33] but a bit light on implementation [21:34] *other than* highvoltage here has been doing a bit of packaging! [21:34] Okay, well. My sommer break is starting tomorrow. Apart from my other projects I'll have lots of time. [21:35] Is there anything that I should be working on? [21:35] svenstaro: well, you had interest in docs, right? [21:36] svenstaro: and do you have any web/wiki skills as well? [21:36] Actually, no. I'm mainly interested in user experience but I think I'd be able to do pretty much everything that needs work. [21:37] If I can recall correctly, I have already given you guys my skills once or twice. Anyhow, my skills are: medium C++, medium-high Python, all kinds of CMS and wiki, pretty much anything required. [21:38] I'd actually be highly interested in doing training videos for the live DVD and for the website that address actual use cases but I don't know your stance on that. [21:38] i'm intersted in your "user" ideas [21:38] I think our stance has been that we'd be excited to have training videos [21:39] I can also work on Sabayon or Pessulus if needed. My main goal is making Edubuntu LTSP available to a *real* school environment, maintained by a teacher. [21:39] svenstaro: well, then I think we all have a shared goal then :-) [21:40] LaserJock: I'm not so sure. From my earlier discussions I somehow still have a "ring" that LTSP lost some value. [21:40] is anyone here (besides me) from Florida? [21:40] Or at least interest among the Edubuntu project. [21:40] svenstaro: sbalneav could use a hand on sabayon, and pessulus work would also be good [21:40] mhall119|work: I assume Michelle_Qimo is as well :) [21:40] well yes [21:40] i don't think it's lost it's value or it's interest, but perhaps it's focus [21:40] qimo in florida ?! [21:40] intersting [21:40] Ahmuck-Jr: yup [21:41] well, Qimo is global now, be he started in Florida [21:41] svenstaro: what does LTSP have to do with it? [21:41] We're planning on doing an LTSP lab in August down here, for a children's home [21:41] highvoltage: LaserJock: How would I best make a decision for Edubuntu and be sure that my work is actually included? The interest on the mailing list was low for the things I wanted to talk about. [21:41] mhall119|work: i'm interested in your work, very interested [21:42] svenstaro: it may not be that it's a lack of interest [21:42] Ahmuck-Jr: thanks [21:42] for me the problem is that we have some real pressing issues [21:42] Ahmuck-Jr: do you have any questions about it? [21:42] svenstaro: there's also some scepticism sometimes when people make lots of big promises [21:42] LaserJock: I think that LTSP is of major importance because of its centralism and maintainability. [21:42] and as much as I have a lot of grand ideas, I have to look at what we can do for Karmic to keep things alive [21:42] svenstaro: sure, but LTSP != Education either [21:42] when you do the lab, i'm interested in following your progress, and would be willing to work with you. work problems out, etc. [21:43] I'm not making big promises at all, I'm trying to make big goals but I can't get people to agree. [21:43] svenstaro: LTSP is a tool and a major piece of the Edubuntu puzzle [21:43] svenstaro: I can tell you that LTSP's bigged point for me is using old, discarded computers as thin clients [21:43] i agree with Laserjock, he's trying ot hit distro release schedules [21:43] svenstaro: if you have an idea, come talk about it in an edubuntu meeting with myself, LaserJock and stgraber. We should be able to tell you if it's suitable for inclusion in the archives [21:43] but we shifted from developing LTSP as upstreams to now being a consumer of LTSP [21:43] that doesn't mean we care about LTSP less [21:44] has edubuntu and ltsp sepereated? [21:44] Education = Ubuntu in education. Among other software, LTSP is also used in Education. So if svenstaro can integrate LTSP in the Ubuntu DVD in time for Karmic, where's the problem? It'll help a lot of teachers... [21:44] LaserJock: That's fine but I still think that Edubuntu should try to integrate with LTSP as best as it can if the user decides to use that. [21:44] but our focus went from "how do we be the best LTSP distro?" to "how do we be the best education distro?" [21:44] Ahmuck-Jr: well, they're still connected [21:44] Ahmuck-Jr: but it was never a single project [21:44] were not working togather? [21:44] well, LTSP is software, just like any other [21:44] Ahmuck-Jr: both sbalneav and stgraber are LTSP upstream people [21:44] i'll put forth a question proposed by others in the past. schoolbuntu? [21:44] isn't LTSP part of the standard Ubuntu alt-cd image? [21:44] Ahmuck-Jr: so LTSP and Edubuntu *definitely* has strong links [21:45] mhall119|work: yep [21:45] highvoltage: yep, i'm familiar with sbalneav and stgraber [21:45] LaserJock: so is there much more work to have it working in Edubuntu's image? [21:45] Ahmuck-Jr: Actually, I wanted to start my own Ubuntu fork as Schoolbuntu but people in this channel told me to hold it. [21:46] mhall119|work: having what working? LTSP? [21:46] yeah [21:46] it's my observation that edubuntu see's itself as ubuntu with edu apps, rather than ubuntu in the classroom [21:46] So what contexts is Edubuntu now meant to be used in if not classrooms? [21:46] mhall119|work: no, we shouldn't really have to do much of anything [21:46] if it's already working in Ubuntu 9.10, what needs to be done for it to work in Edubuntu? [21:46] okay, it sounded like it was going to be an issue [21:46] svenstaro: home computers for pre-school kids, Universities [21:46] mhall119|work: it's incredibly easy to include on alternate CD builds [21:46] from what i can tell, edubuntu is home based rather than school based [21:47] LaserJock: i don't see it bieng used in universites [21:47] Edubuntu is *education* based [21:47] mhall119|work: but afaik not yet on casper/ubiquity discs [21:47] oh, I see [21:47] mhall119|work: and the majority of the edubuntu users have stressed the importance of a GUI installer [21:47] Ahmuck-Jr: Qimo is very home-based, edubuntu has much more school-based stuff than we do [21:47] I would argue that there's more education going on in a school environment than in pre-school kindergardens or at home. [21:47] sure [21:47] Universities surely wouldn't use a desktop based solution. [21:48] why not? [21:48] mhall119|work: i'll take a look at Qimo ... i'm interested in seeing what apps you've found to work [21:48] Because it'd be a huge pain to manage. [21:48] what I'm trying to get at is I don't know why we're limiting ourselves [21:48] highvoltage: I think for LTSP it would be less of an issue, people who can't make it through an ncurses installer won't likely be wiring up computer labs with thin clients either [21:48] svenstaro: they do it already [21:48] Ahmuck-Jr: mostly the same as Edubuntu has [21:48] mhall119|work: no special wiring is needed for live LTSP [21:48] mhall119|work: heh, you'd be surprised :) [21:49] LaserJock: I'm not saying to limit ourselves at all! I'm only saying that we should work out exact use cases and address them technically, for example in the installer "What do you want to use Edubuntu for?" [21:49] alkisg: you need clients, right? [21:49] svenstaro: sorta, there are pre-schools that would love the software and measuring sucess in pre-school is just as important if not more so [21:49] back [21:49] mhall119|work: yeah, but labs tend to have PCs in them (=clients :)) [21:49] svenstaro: right, well, that's certainly something we can look into [21:49] Ahmuck-Jr: agreed, we put out first Qimo computers into a preschool [21:50] preschool is a very good place to start with educational software [21:50] I think that if Edubuntu wants to be nothing specific again but "just a bunch of apps and maybe some inconsistent docs" then it hasn't moved one bit into the right direction, at least from my perspective. [21:50] mhall119|work: I think it's worth mentioning that we don't specifically want to bring qimo into edubuntu as such, what we would like to do more specifically is make the qimo desktop easily available for ubuntu users [21:50] alkisg: do you need to configure the clients to network boot? [21:50] highvoltage: that sounds like a good plan [21:50] last time I did network booting, there was a lot of configuration on the clients [21:50] mhall119|work: it would also make sense to distribute the qimo packages on the edubuntu discs since we share so much packages in common, it would allow anyone with an edubuntu disc at hand to install qimo from it as well [21:51] mhall119|work: that's not wiring. Anyone can insert a floppy or cd. No settings are required. [21:51] highvoltage: I like that idea, we've had multiple ubuntu users wanting to install just the Qimo interface [21:51] Michelle_Qimo: sorry I should probably highlight you as well! [21:51] svenstaro: the problem is it takes time [21:51] svenstaro: nobody want it to just be Ubuntu+a few edu apps [21:51] highvoltage: oh, no, I'm reading along, trying to keep up. [21:51] alkisg: it must have gotten easier since I did it then [21:51] Probably :) [21:52] Michelle_Qimo: heh, yes the channel is quite a bit more noisier than it usually is tonight :) [21:52] alkisg: PXE boot just about drove me mad at one point [21:52] svenstaro: but we've been close to the edge of death here as a project and so the primary focus needs to be on doing some CPR :-) [21:52] mhall119|work: nah, it's a piece of cake now, it can even work with existing dhcp servers already present on the lab. [21:53] cool [21:53] alkisg: I may come ask you questions too, when I'm setting up my lap [21:53] np [21:53] Considering all that has been said, then, would it still be a stupid idea to have "Schoolbuntu", Linux distribution specialized for efficient usage in educational institutions? [21:54] I have a bunch of old dells without hard drives [21:54] that I want to use as clients [21:54] mhall119|work: we understand that an automated LTSP environment is a high priority, it's certainly not something we're going to ignore, I can at least assure you of that [21:54] svenstaro: why, Edubuntu would just be Schoolbuntu+ [21:54] we just need to get things going here and have people pitching to help [21:54]