[01:45] <ScottK> Anyone have a Kubuntu desktop live cd download from the last few days?
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> Wish I did. Downloading the alpha2 cd yesterday and then upgrading was a bad idea bandwidth-wise
[01:59] <shtylman> ScottK: new kernel...again same problems :)
[02:00] <shtylman> and yes...I have a live cd for 64bit
[02:00] <shtylman> for a few days ago
[02:00] <ScottK> If you can boot it would you please check if the background after you first boot is Kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[02:01] <ScottK> The screen where it asks you if you want to install, try withoug make changes to your computer, etc.
[02:02] <ScottK> shtylman: Did you check to make sure appropriate bugs are filed?
[02:03] <shtylman> ScottK: as best as I could..
[02:03] <ScottK> OK.  That's all one can do.
[02:05] <shtylman> ScottK: the screen says kubuntu
[02:05] <ScottK> shtylman: Thanks.  The netbook one currently has Ubuntu so that helps narrow it down.
[02:05] <shtylman> k
[05:43] <DaskreeCH_> What's the purpose of the KDE forums?
[12:59] <ryanakca> Where should I file bugs for akonadi-server 1.1.95-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1 ? I get http://pastebin.ca/1496959 when trying to start it...
[13:05] <Riddell> yarrr, I tracked down the kdm dying problem
[13:06] <ryanakca> Also, I'm packaging http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Facebook?content=106752 ... should I manually copy the files or should I use plasmapkg to install the plasmoid?
[13:06] <ryanakca> Riddell: On upgrades? Hurray, what was it?
[13:07] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/219715/
[13:07] <Riddell> "Add debhelper token to maintainer scripts"  filling in lintian reported problems maybe?
[13:08] <ryanakca> Heh :)
[13:10] <Riddell> ryanakca: I don't know about your akonadi issue though, it's running ok here on jaunty
[13:10] <neversfelde> bug 398516 needs a sponsor
[13:17] <ryanakca> Hurray, the new wiki theme is now default!
[13:17] <neversfelde> ryanakca: cool
[13:18] <Riddell> ryanakca: yay!  thanks for that
[13:19] <neversfelde> ryanakca: I wanted to report a bug about it a few days ago, but forget
[13:19] <neversfelde> I can't use the table of contents on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete/
[13:19] <neversfelde> is it a known bug?
[13:19] <ryanakca> neversfelde: Never too late :)
[13:21] <neversfelde> some links seem to work, some not
[13:21] <ScottK> Riddell: Congratualtions on sorting the KDM bug.
[13:22] <ryanakca> neversfelde: I thought I had fixed that, *checks the bug reports*
[13:23] <ryanakca> Ah, found out, I fixed it for h2, but not for h1... I'll get it fixed locally and prod ASAP
[13:31] <ryanakca> neversfelde: Does this appear to be fixed? http://wiki.ryanak.ca/kubuntu/test
[13:32] <Riddell> new KDM uploaded to karmic and kubuntu-backports jaunty
[13:32] <Riddell> new k-d-s uploaded too
[13:33] <neversfelde> ryanakca: looks good
[13:33] <Riddell> neversfelde: where's the .orig and .dsc for that fancytasks?
[13:36] <neversfelde> Riddell: I attched it to the bug
[13:36]  * ryanakca points to his plasma package question half a screen up
[13:38] <ryanakca> As for the "Text on wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu should be replaced with something interesting." part of the KubuntuKarmicWebsite spec, any idea what that would be?
[13:40] <ScottK> ryanakca: No specific ideas, but you might troll #kubuntu and ask what they'd be interested in.
[13:41] <Riddell> ryanakca: look, you made the news! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue151
[13:42] <Riddell> neversfelde: I see it now
[13:42] <ryanakca> Riddell: Hurray! :)
[13:42] <neversfelde> Riddell: I uploaded them 3 min ago, so you can't have seen them before :)
[13:44] <Riddell> neversfelde: up it goes
[13:47] <kwwii> sebas: still looking for help with the network manager icons?
[13:47] <sebas> kwwii: definitely do, yes
[13:48] <kwwii> sebas: cool, I am in london atm, but I will home tomorrow...let'S chat more about it then
[13:48] <neversfelde> Riddell: thank you
[13:48] <sebas> kwwii: fine :)
[13:48] <kwwii> but before I do that I need to finish the usb-creator icon :p
[13:48] <sebas> I'll probably have some night hours in the weekend to work on it, so we can see it integrated quickly
[13:49] <sebas> just ping me when you need something, or feedback or ...
[13:49] <sebas> backrubs :)
[13:49] <kwwii> cool, I was expecting to do it on the nightshift as well ;)
[13:49] <kwwii> hehe, will do
[13:54] <gnomefreak> is there any plans to update kde for intrepid to 4.2.2? or even something that would be thought about? im thinking the package is huge and lot of depends updates needed
[14:00]  * ryanakca wonders why things always break when they go onto Canonical webservers :)
[14:01] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: because they are unsupported maybe
[14:10] <ryanakca> Riddell: Fixed the akonadi-server issue, AppArmor is causing it and 'sudo aa-complain mysqld-akonadi' fixes it.
[14:15] <Riddell> hum
[14:15] <Riddell> that sounds like something that shouldn't need fixing
[14:15] <Riddell> gnomefreak: we've never done updates for anything other than the current stable release, it's far too much work
[14:17] <gnomefreak> Riddell: thats what i told him. most of time DE's are way too much work to backport/update and dangerous on stable systems anyway
[14:21] <Riddell> kwwii: there's a NM applet in the works, you may want to ask wstephenson if that needs artwork
[14:24] <kwwii> Riddell: will do, thanks
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 997763
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> sweet
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> I believe that the new intel drivers make my 5 year old embedded intel chip work better than my 4 year old nvidia card irt linux
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> plus KMS is sweet
[14:30] <davmor2> Riddell: I've got this afternoon off now so I'm going to take a quick test ride of kubuntu.  Is there anything new that you would like to see get some special attention?
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> and my intel card didn't used to be able to do 3D with linux
[14:31] <Riddell> davmor2: are the new default plasma applets doing something sensible.  is the arora web browser set as default and working sensibly
[14:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: new intel driver?
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> all this fancy uxa stuff and kms or whatever
[14:33] <Riddell> davmor2: you could also test the kubuntu netbook images if you have time to spare
[14:33] <Riddell> ScottK was saying there's an issue with the background being ubuntu in them (which I don't understand, KDE wouldn't use the ubuntu background)
[14:33] <davmor2> I don't think I want kubuntu on my netbook ;) I wonder if Sue would notice :)
[14:34] <Riddell> can just try the live system?
[14:34] <Riddell> and it might remind Sue to finish that jumper she said she was doing for me :)
[14:34] <davmor2> Riddell: I know I'm only teasing :)
[14:35] <davmor2> Riddell: We've only just been able to go across and get the background wool.  I think she is going to start them next :)
[14:36] <jjesse> morning
[14:36] <davmor2> Riddell: is the netbook image on cdimages somewhere?
[14:36] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/daily-live/20090716/
[14:36] <jjesse> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/
[14:36] <davmor2> Yeah just found it :)
[14:37] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm, shouldn't that be kubuntu-netbook-remix?
[14:38] <jjesse> is it a remix?  or is it more like ubuntu netbook?
[14:39] <jjesse> what makes somethng a "remix"
[14:40]  * vorian likes kubuntu-netbook
[14:40] <Riddell> remix means it uses packages from universe and isn't on its own supported by canonical
[14:40] <vorian> ah
[14:40] <Riddell> ubuntu-netbook-remix is a remix
[14:40] <vorian> then I hate it
[14:40] <jjesse> ah i didn't know
[14:40] <vorian> :P
[14:41] <maco> davmor2, i told james_w this at UDS...every time i hear a brit say "jumper" i get confused. jumper = little girl dress (like a pinafore) in the US
[14:41] <davmor2> Riddell: is there any reason why on the live desktop I get a random authentication dialogue?
[14:41] <Riddell> davmor2: that shouldn't happen.  it could be the social desktop plasmoid
[14:42] <davmor2> maco: it's just the way the yanks pervert the English Language :)
[14:42] <Riddell> every time I hear a US person talk about a "fanny pack" I get scared
[14:43] <maco> haha
[14:43] <maco> yeah first time i was over your direction i was told to call it a bumbag
[14:43] <jjesse> fanny packs are scary
[14:43] <jjesse> my mother in law used to wear one all the time
[14:44] <maco> they do look silly
[14:44] <maco> but its a bit harder to grab and run away with than a purse is
[14:45] <davmor2> Riddell: dialog reads, You need to supply a username and a password to access this site.   (Site: your valid user account or api key as api.opendesktop.org)
[14:45] <Riddell> davmor2: that'll be the social desktop thingy.  guess I need to fix that
[14:45] <jjesse> that is a plasmoid
[14:45] <jjesse> i don't understand the point behind it yet
[14:46] <maco> it shows your kde-look.org frieds
[14:46] <maco> *friends
[14:46] <maco> and people who are "nearby" but holy jesus it shows people in my *parents* city as "nearby" me
[14:46] <davmor2> maco: What really worried me was hearing usa tv show say "I'll kick her fanny out of here"
[14:46] <maco> thats about 500km!
[14:46] <maco> davmor2, ah, yeah...fanny in US = bum
[14:46] <jjesse> hrmm i have no "friends" on kde-look.org
[14:47] <davmor2> maco: I know I figured that one out after picking myself up off the floor :)
[14:47] <maco> and we dont have silly words like plimsole
[14:47] <maco> *giggle*
[14:48] <davmor2> maco: no you call it a thong
[14:48] <maco> czajkowski said plimsoles were like tennis shoes
[14:49] <maco> and that only old people say it
[14:49] <davmor2> Ah yeah true
[14:49] <maco> as to thong sandals...well...my dad's generation calls them thongs. my generation decided a thong was underwear and renamed thongs to flip flops
[14:50] <jjesse> english is a funny language
[14:50] <davmor2> Riddell: if arora is being promoted as the browser to use why is it not in favourites?
[14:50] <maco> that resulted in some confusion once when his sandal broke and he went to buy a new pair...
[14:55] <Riddell> davmor2: it should be (although a change for that was also uploaded today so maybe it'll get fixed for tomorrow)
[14:56] <davmor2> Riddell: ah okay np's then :)
[14:58] <davmor2> Riddell: the address bar is smaller than the circle with a cross in.  Which looks quite poorly designed.
[15:01] <agateau> Riddell: I am in the process of integrating my notification patches in kdelibs and kdebase-*...
[15:02] <agateau> Riddell: should i keep the patches separate or should I just create one patch per package?
[15:03] <agateau> ScottK: you probably have an opinion on this ^ as well
[15:11] <davmor2> ScottK, Riddell:  Shouldn't it be a kubuntu logo on the startup screen on KNR.  Currently you select a language a you see the Ubuntu name and logo with the try Kubuntu Netbook as the top option
[15:15] <davmor2> ScottK, Riddell: Do you really want me to test netbook ;).  The Ublog plasmoid is covering the social plasmoid.  The clock is cut off and so is the date I'll tell you more when I get back
[15:17] <adiroiban> hi, just a short questions. Since we have language-pack-kde-CC, do we still need kde-l10n-CC packages?
[15:23] <Riddell> adiroiban: kde-l10n-xx contains the documentation
[15:23] <Riddell> so language-support-xx should depend on it I think
[15:24] <Riddell> agateau: whatever is easiest to maintain
[15:24] <adiroiban> should we enable translations of po/desktop_kde-l10n-CC.pot in Launchpad ?
[15:25] <adiroiban> I don't know how exactly that .pot file is used in KDE
[15:25] <agateau> Riddell: if I go the individual patch way, you will have 9 patches for kdebase, but they won't match exactly with svn because I have to split them
[15:26] <agateau> (because they touch both workspace and runtime)
[15:26] <Riddell> agateau: that's fine
[15:27] <Riddell> adiroiban: where is that file?
[15:28] <agateau> Riddell: another question, do you packagers use bzr builddeb? I just tried to and gave up before throwing my laptop through the window
[15:28] <adiroiban> as far as I know, in each kde-l10n-CC package since Karmic
[15:28] <agateau> Riddell: I even tried reading the doc :)
[15:28] <adiroiban> I can not find it in Jaunty packages
[15:29] <agateau> Riddell: I think I will end up with splitting the patches and mailing them to you instead
[15:30] <Riddell> agateau: I do for building source packages (bzr-buildpackage -S)  for editing packages I tend to just cp -r the debian/ directory into sources (there are bzr-buildpackage commands to do it but I keep forgetting them)
[15:30] <agateau> Riddell: bzr-buildpackage == bzr builddeb ?
[15:30] <Riddell> agateau: yes, it got renamed
[15:31] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[15:31] <agateau> Riddell: and once you are happy with your changes in your copied debian/ dir, you copy them back to the bzr dir, that's it?
[15:31] <Riddell> some bzr-buildpackage commands you can run through bzr-buildpackage, others you need to run through bzr, which is confusing
[15:31] <Riddell> agateau: right
[15:32] <agateau> Riddell: This method feels simpler, will do it this way
[15:34] <Riddell> adiroiban: I don't see it in https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-l10n-fr/4:4.2.96-0ubuntu1/+build/1120481/+files/kde-l10n-fr_4.2.96-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[15:34] <adiroiban> Riddell: true, I got those notification from Launchpad for some packages updated 12 hours ago
[15:36] <adiroiban> and those templates are in the LP approval queue: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+imports?field.filter_extension=pot&field.filter_status=NEEDS_REVIEW&start=0&batch=50
[15:37] <adiroiban> maybe it was a glitch, for now, I will delete them from the queue. If they will come back I will do further investigations
[15:37] <Riddell> adiroiban: oh I see where that's from
[15:37] <Riddell> those aren't needed
[15:38] <Riddell> I'll ponder about how to stop them being created
[15:38] <adiroiban> ok. thanks!
[15:38] <adiroiban> they should be for messages/entry.desktop
[15:39] <adiroiban> then I will block them
[15:39] <adiroiban> and If in the future you will want to see them in LP Translations, please ping me , David or  Arne
[15:41] <dpm> adiroiban: Riddell, on the question whether kde-l10n-xx packages are needed, don't they also contain all the PO files - so they are needed?
[15:42] <dpm> are the translations not stripped from them and put in the language-pack-kde-xx packages?
[15:42] <adiroiban> yes, kdel-l10n-xx contains the upstream po files
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: debian's removed kpar2 and kde-icons-crystalproject from their archives for dead upstream/low popularity/being orphaned, could you remove those for Ubuntu please?
[15:42] <adiroiban> Riddell: let me check the binary packages
[15:43] <Riddell> dpm: yes the source packages are certainly needed, but many of the binary packages end up empty if that translation has no docs
[15:43] <dpm> right
[15:44] <adiroiban> Riddell: there are no MO files in the kde-l10n-CC
[15:44] <adiroiban> but
[15:44] <adiroiban> installing kde-l10n-CC
[15:45] <Riddell> launchpad eats all .mo files
[15:45] <adiroiban> will also install the language-pack-kde*
[15:46] <dpm> adiroiban: yes, but if I understand it correctly, you still need the kde-l10n-xx binary packages for those languages including documentation, which is not imported into LP
[15:46] <adiroiban> all the .mo files are in language-pack-kde-CC-base
[15:46] <adiroiban> dpm: true :)
[15:47] <Riddell> dpm: you said LP doesn't know the plural forms for some languages, but aren't they in the .po files?
[15:48] <dpm> Riddell: yes, they should be, but they will have to be set up manually in LP. I don't think it will stop them from being used correctly in the distro, but lat me check with danilo
[15:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: Since the table of contents refuses to cooperate on the canonical servers, mind if I unset kubuntu-new as default theme?
[15:51] <adiroiban> Riddell: i think that LP ignore the plural form defined in each .po file, and only uses it's general plural form, used for that language in all Launchapd templates (for distros and projects)
[15:53] <dpm> Riddell: adiroiban: just asked danilo on #launchpad if you want to follow the discussion
[15:59] <Riddell> ryanakca: table of contents?
[16:07] <davmor2> Riddell: is there a known issue with connecting to wireless networks?
[16:08] <davmor2> Riddell: can't connect to wpa,wep or open from netbook live
[16:08] <Riddell> davmor2: possibly
[16:09] <davmor2> I'm about to plug a cable in
[16:12] <ryanakca> Riddell: Broken on, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PackagingGuide/Complete/ , works on https://wiki.ryanak.ca/kubuntu/test ... Sysadmins have no clue why.
[16:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: removed
[16:13] <Riddell> ryanakca: what's broken about it?
[16:14] <Riddell> the <h2> line goes through it on the wiki.kubuntu one and the fonts are slightly smaller
[16:14] <ryanakca> Riddell: 1) Links don't work, the <p> is above them. 2) The header line goes through it.
[16:15] <Riddell> hum, yes, only the first link works
[16:15] <Riddell> surely there's a perfectly logical explanation
[16:16] <ryanakca> Riddell: Has to be one. Should I try asking them to install it under a different name, *shrugs*, there might be old outdated stuff mixed in with the fixes...
[16:19] <agateau> I am trying to build the kde4libs package, but cmake fails to detect Phonon
[16:19] <agateau> am I the only one?
[16:29] <Riddell> agateau: do you have libqt4-phonon-dev installed?
[16:30] <agateau> Riddell: yes
[16:30] <agateau> I ran apt-get build-dep kde4libs and it installed nothing
[16:30] <Riddell> agateau: are you on karmic or jaunty?
[16:30] <agateau> Riddell: karmic
[16:30] <Riddell> on jaunty you'll need libphonon-dev
[16:31] <agateau> fresh from this morning
[16:32] <agateau> Riddell: it's an update from jaunty, in case it changes something
[16:33] <Riddell> agateau: you have /usr/include/phonon/phononnamespace.h
[16:33] <Riddell> ?
[16:33] <agateau> Riddell: no
[16:34] <agateau> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/f71ea3187
[16:35] <Riddell> agateau: what's that?
[16:35] <Riddell> it's in /usr/include/qt4/phonon/phononnamespace.h now
[16:36] <agateau> Riddell: it is the output of ls /usr/include/phonon
[16:36] <Riddell> agateau: there shouldn't be a /usr/include/phonon now
[16:37] <Riddell> so it's probably looking in that directory and failing because important files are missing
[16:37] <Riddell> so question is why do you have that directory
[16:37] <Riddell> agateau: dpkg -S /usr/include/phonon/AbstractAudioOutput  ?
[16:37] <agateau> Just ran this :)
[16:37] <agateau> it says it can't find it
[16:37] <agateau> strange
[16:38] <Riddell> you have phantom phonon files
[16:38] <Riddell> agateau: I take it you do have  /usr/include/qt4/phonon/phononnamespace.h ?
[16:38] <agateau> maybe I messed up and installed those myself
[16:38] <agateau> Riddell: no :/
[16:39] <agateau> Riddell: same content as /usr/include/phonon, maybe one is a symlink to the other
[16:39]  * agateau checks
[16:39] <Riddell> apt-cache policy libqt4-phonon-dev  ?
[16:39] <Riddell> dpkg -L libqt4-phonon-dev  ?
[16:40] <agateau> http://pastebin.com/f6242e8f9
[16:40] <agateau> apt-cache policy ↑
[16:40] <agateau> http://pastebin.com/f6242e8f9
[16:41] <agateau> dpkg -L libqt4-phonon-dev ↑
[16:41] <agateau> and /usr/include/qt4/phonon is a symlink to /usr/include/phono
[16:41] <agateau> *phonon
[16:41] <Riddell> it shouldn't be a symlink
[16:42] <agateau> mmm the symlink is from march 18th
[16:42] <agateau> that could be me
[16:42] <Riddell> I'd be tempted to   rm -r /usr/include/phono /usr/include/qt4/phonon; apt-get install --reinstall libqt4-phonon-dev libqt4-phonon
[16:42]  * agateau removes the symlink and reinstall the package
[16:42] <davmor2> Riddell: on Kubuntu do you have 2 rival apps fighting for the right to use passwords?
[16:42] <Riddell> davmor2: not that I know of
[16:43] <davmor2> Riddell: everytime I'm typing in a password in KNR I get asked for it twice
[16:43] <Riddell> davmor2: for network or something else?
[16:43] <agateau> Riddell: looks much nicer now, thanks!
[16:44] <davmor2> sftp:// access wifi etc
[16:49] <davmor2> Riddell: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/knr.png
[16:50] <seele> ouch
[16:52] <Riddell> mmm, messy
[16:53] <davmor2> Riddell: I did say :)  You also had the authentication request on top of that :)
[16:55] <agateau> We did not use KPackageKit notifications on Jaunty, did we?
[16:56] <davmor2> Riddell: out of curiosity is the "i" on the task bar meant to do something?
[16:56] <agateau> davmor2: it's supposed to show/hide notifications
[16:56] <agateau> and job progress info
[16:57] <seele> didn't they change the icon in 4.3? or i guess not since most of you are using karmic
[16:57] <davmor2> Oh yes
[16:57] <davmor2> agateau: ta
[17:02] <Riddell> rdieter: I think this is a fedora packaging issue?  https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194373 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198632
[17:02] <rdieter> Riddell: I'll take a look
[17:03] <agateau> Riddell: will we use KPackageKit notifications in Karmic?
[17:03] <Riddell> agateau: yes, that's what's currently on
[17:04] <Riddell> agateau: I find them far too full of text though
[17:04] <agateau> ok
[17:04] <agateau> I think mpt will find them far too full of buttons :/
[17:05] <Riddell> it's the only place I know of where a button seems like a fair idea
[17:05] <agateau> Riddell: I think some of them are a good idea, others are not
[17:06] <agateau> for example the ones which ask for a system or session restart should be turned into dialogs imho
[17:06] <davmor2> Riddell I just did the updates on Kubuntu install and now I have now tty7 1-6 and 8  don't think that's meant to happen :(
[17:06] <agateau> Same for the Error one
[17:07] <davmor2> should be a comma after 7
[17:07] <davmor2> as in 1-6 and 8 work but no desktop on 7
[17:08] <davmor2> I really should learn about punctuation
[17:08] <Riddell> davmor2: did it kill X?
[17:09] <davmor2> that's what I'm assuming but I don't know why
[17:09] <Riddell> davmor2: what version of kdm got installed?
[17:12] <davmor2> 4:4.2.96-0ubun is as much as I can read
[17:19] <davmor2> Riddell: ^
[17:31] <agateau> Something interesting just arrived to http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[17:31] <agateau> I was not aware we just took over ubuntu! :)
[17:34] <agateau> mmm ignore me
[17:34] <rgreening> any ideas on bug #400294
[17:35] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[17:36] <rgreening> davmor2: I'm guessing this is bug I listed above then...
[17:36] <davmor2> rgreening: that sounds like the one :)
[17:41] <DaskreeCH> Did someone submit a bug about NM and NFS home directories ?
[17:46] <dpm-afk> Riddell: I forgot. Just to keep you posted: I'll be preparing a list with the plural forms for those languages which haven't got it set up in LP and I'll send it to the LP translations guys tomorrow
[17:51] <Riddell> rgreening: that should be fixed in the latest upload, testing appreciated
[17:51] <Riddell> 4:4.2.96-0ubuntu3
[17:51] <Riddell> I thought it was bug 372199
[17:58] <neversfelde> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/bilbo needs reviewing, feature freeze is near :)
[18:09] <DaskreeCH> Riddell: 27 and 29 in your GCDS pic are the friendly pardus guys ;0
[18:09] <DaskreeCH> :-)
[19:09]  * Gon ausente: Ausente por el momento
[19:13] <Mamarok> Gon: please do not use automatic away messages
[19:21]  * Gon de regreso.
[19:28] <Mamarok> Gon: please don't use public away messages
[19:41] <maco> hey guys, the documentation yelling at you that it cant find the files thing emmajane mentioned in her blog.... anything can be done about that? like installing docs by default?
[19:53] <_Sime> will there be a PyQt 4.5 etc + bindings 4.3 packages for jaunty?
[20:14]  * JontheEchidna tests new kdebase-workspace upgrade
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> X died on that upgrade
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> is the fix supposed to prevent future X deaths?
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> like, does the new postinst script only take effect after it's installed?
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> on a side note, tty1 in a sane resolution is sweet
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> I suppose I'll reboot and do a kdm resinstall to test
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> after upgrades, sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdm does not crash X
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> I didn't try --reinstall before the fixer-update, but it did crash every time I upgraded kdm
[20:34] <Trouble`> Yay \o/ Fingers crossed
[20:34] <bdgraue_> if i am gone in a few minutes/seconds, the update crashed my kdm too ;)
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> upgrading to the fixed packages will crash X
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> I think it's supposed to fix all future updates
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> or something like that
[20:37] <DaskreeCH> How od you set tty res ?
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> KMS does it automagically
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> and I am happy <3
[20:39]  * Trouble` waits for downloads to finish before applying updates
[20:41] <ryanakca> DaskreeCH: What resolution do you want?
[20:42] <DaskreeCH> I dunno I just never thought of messing with the res for that
[20:42] <DaskreeCH> shift+pgup made it seem un needed
[20:42] <ryanakca> DaskreeCH: Anyways, add "vga=XXX" to 'defoptions' in /boot/grub/menu.lst and run update-grub... XXX from http://www.mepis.org/node/2992
[20:43] <DaskreeCH> Alright
[20:44] <ryanakca> DaskreeCH: Even better, once you do that, enable your framebuffer drivers and just live in your TTY, you have mutt, vi/emacs, mplayer for videos, fbi/fbgs for viewing images and PDF/PS files, cmus for music, w3m for web, you name it. Oh, and screen as a WM :)
[20:53] <DaskreeCH> mplayer can run videos on the tty?
[20:55] <Trouble`> Time to update!
[20:56] <DaskreeCH> Has anyone discussed K-NM and logins across the wire?
[21:15] <CIA-74> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r3 plasma-netbook-nightly/debian/control: Add build-dep on kdebase-workspace-dev
[21:17] <CIA-74> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r4 plasma-netbook-nightly/plasma-netbook-nightly.rb: Fix changes file path
[21:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Background issue for the netbook images is fixed (cjwatson merged my debian-cd branch ~8 hours ago).
[21:26] <ScottK> Riddell: Actually remix is supposed to mean it uses packages from outside the archive (UNR Hardy did this).  The fact that it's still called UNR in Jaunty is a historical accident.  We aren't a remisx.
[21:27] <ScottK> davmor2: The Ubuntu logo on the startup screen is fixed and should be OK in tomorrow's image.
[21:28] <davmor2> ScottK: Cool I'll have another look tomorrow.  Did you get a look at the screenshot I took?
[21:28] <ScottK> davmor2: I don't think I'm that far down my scrollback yet.
[21:29] <ScottK> If you want to re-link it, that wouldn't be bad.
[21:29] <davmor2> http://www.davmor2.co.uk/knr.png iirc
[21:31] <davmor2> wifi is buggered too at the moment but that is probably a halsectomy issue that'll get resolved (hopefully) :)
[21:32] <ScottK> davmor2: Looks a bit croweded, but generally OK.  Am I missing something?
[21:34] <Riddell> DaskreeCH: people keep telling me it's the pardus guys but it's not any use without names
[21:34] <davmor2> ScottK: the desklets are a bit of a mess.  The biggest issue I saw though are the clock and date and things get worse when you open things like amarok which drops another icon in there
[21:34] <Riddell> ScottK: ok, not a main vs universe thing then
[21:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.
[21:34] <davmor2> ScottK: other than that it seems mostly usable.  I'd not done an install though as I need my netbook :)
[21:35] <ScottK> Riddell: I have hopes to build KNE out of Main in any case (so far we do), but we'll see about that.
[21:35] <ScottK> davmor2: The font sizes and such we plan to touch up (but haven't done so yet).
[21:35]  * ScottK wonders where the heck is Tonio.
[21:41] <DaskreeCH> Gockmen is 27
[21:42] <DaskreeCH> Why does the Live Cd disable trackerd?
[21:43] <ScottK> DaskreeCH: Why do you want live data indexed?
[21:44] <ScottK> What's the point?
[21:45] <CIA-74> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r5 plasma-netbook-nightly/plasma-netbook-nightly.rb: Hardcode dput config name to kubuntu-netbook (dput is super undynamic)
[21:45] <DaskreeCH> Why is it shipping with tracker then?
[21:46] <ScottK> Because what gets shipped in live is also what gets installed.
[21:46] <ScottK> By and large ...
[21:47] <DaskreeCH> and we install trackerd by default?
[21:47] <ScottK> I think so.
[21:47] <DaskreeCH> I don't have it installed
[21:47] <ScottK> Wait.
[21:47] <DaskreeCH> Yeeeeah
[21:47] <ScottK> I'm thinking of strigi.
[21:47] <DaskreeCH> yeeeeeeaaaah
[21:49] <maco> trackerd is in ubuntu, not kubuntu
[21:49] <maco> is that not the case with live?
[21:49] <ScottK> Shouldn't be.
[21:49] <ScottK> Nevermind what I said as I was thinking about strigi.
[21:53] <ScottK> Would someone please ping me.  I want to test something.
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: sure
[21:53] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Thanks.
[21:57]  * Gon ausente: Ausente por el momento