=== asac_ is now known as asac [00:13] Hello everyone, sorry for the delay in getting started with this meeting. [00:13] Welcome to the Membership Review Board for the America's meeting. [00:14] First of all, the board members who are present will just say hello so you know who is who. [00:14] hi :) [00:14] hola [00:14] hi everyone [00:14] cool, so right now we have 3 board members, which is a quorum, so lets get started [00:14] is wolter here? [00:15] that is an old one, probably not [00:15] is Duncan here? [00:15] looks like JonReagan, brywilharris and oubiwann aren't here [00:15] ok [00:16] sconklin: would you like to introduce yourself briefly? [00:16] Sure. I'm a kernel engineer working for Canonical. I've worked in open source since 2000, and was with Red Hat for 8 years before Canonical [00:16] * greg-g waits a moment more [00:16] ah, hi [00:17] I'm currently working on new hardware enablement [00:17] Awesome. [00:17] * ScottK writes that down .... [00:17] brief enough? [00:18] sconklin: is pgraner dragging you to Atlanta Linux Fest? [00:18] boredandblogging: yes, I'll be there, and the family too. It's pretty close to me (I'm in North AL) [00:18] great :) [00:19] sconklin: excellent, see you there [00:19] cool [00:19] you have very extensive experience, sconklin, which is why the questions are slow, I think :) [00:20] Other than kernel work, I'm active in amateur radio, and have contributed to several projects there [00:20] sconklin: you're working on hardware now, do you see yourself expanding involvement within the Ubuntu community in the future? Other future plans? [00:20] what are your plans for the next year or so, either specifically to Canonical work, or community-focused? [00:20] sconklin: any LoCo involvement? [00:20] basically the same question :) [00:21] I recently helped start the ubuntu-hams team, and am active in general kernel work as well. I'm also a member of Ubuntu-NGO team [00:21] how is the NGO stuff going? I've haven't kept up with it [00:21] My participation with the LOCO is limited to the mailing list, but I'd love to help make it a more active group [00:22] greg-g: just starting, looking for examples for white papers, etc. I'm interested because of my involvement with the American Red Cross for disaster assistance [00:22] sconklin: For Kubuntu we are trying to develop a netbook oriented flavor in this cycle. We're collecting hardware compatibility information. Are you someone we can talk to about getting stuff enabled? [00:22] ScottK: yes. [00:22] sconklin: good deal. [00:23] sconklin: might want to talk to antdedyet_, think he was trying to get the LoCo a bit more active [00:23] boredandblogging: thanks for the tip. [00:23] sconklin: Excellent. We've collected https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook/HardwareTesting so far (just starting). [00:23] I think we should vote [00:23] +1 [00:23] excellent work sconklin, +1 [00:23] +1 from me too, thanks for the awesome work sconklin [00:24] congrats! welcome aboard :) [00:24] that is 3/3, welcome! [00:24] Thanks! Happy to be here! [00:24] Doesn't look like tarvid is here? [00:25] or corinago [00:25] Wiebelhaus? bratsche? [00:25] tenach? [00:25] cr3? [00:25] this might go quicker than I thought? [00:26] hehe [00:26] lol [00:26] s/?/ :)/ [00:26] akgraner: you here? [00:26] I'm here :-) [00:26] whooo! [00:27] wanna give a brief introduction, please? [00:27] sure...Started using ubuntu in Feb of this year... [00:28] been involved in the NC Loco [00:28] and I love the community aspect of the Ubuntu Project... [00:28] hoooray for akgraner [00:29] not to mention it is an OS I can use. :-) and I Blog about my experiences [00:29] akgraner: good job on the blogging, by the way [00:29] * ScottK gives a big +1 on the blogging. [00:29] as the newest member :) - I'll vouch for akgraner's community contributions [00:29] not a technical person but more of an average end user... [00:29] sconklin: noted :) [00:30] greg-g, ScottK sconklin pak33m and czajkowski thanks...:-) [00:30] akgraner: I'm impressed by your list of Testimonials on your wiki page, 8 really good posts [00:30] Thank you.. [00:30] as pak33m mentions, her BOF sessions on loco teams at SELF were awesome :) gave me some insight that I'd been lacking [00:31] akgraner: I just added my $0.02 as well, better late than never [00:31] itnet7: ^5 [00:31] itnet7, thanks.. [00:31] :-) [00:31] jcastro did have a good point though, he expressed caution toward being over committed, how do you plan on controlling that aspect? [00:32] I have already implemented some balance in that I will give say 2 hours a day toward Ubuntu [00:32] haven't worked out all the details yet... [00:33] that is a good guide for projects that can easily take more and more time from you if you let them. [00:33] but it is on my todo list [00:33] heh [00:33] akgraner: thats smart [00:33] akgraner: you've done some fantastic work, thought of the future much? continuing doing what you're doing or are there other things you're interested in? [00:33] since I have so many other things I work on and volunteer for I had to strike a balance [00:34] future as in the upcoming year? [00:34] yep [00:34] You can already see her input in the Atlanta Linux Fest Payoff! [00:34] I am working on the planning stages for a User Conference for 2010 [00:35] I am helping with ALF...:-) [00:35] yeah, akgraner has been helping me out with the planning of Atlanta Linux Fest, couldn't do it without her [00:35] I volunteered to help with SELF next year [00:35] and I really enjoy the LoCo side of things... [00:36] but I also want to learn more about testing in Ubuntu [00:36] cool [00:36] how to test a release...and features and stuff [00:36] akgraner: testing as in user testing or testing to make sure things work? [00:36] greg-g, make sure things work [00:36] gotcha [00:37] have you done much bug triage? that is a fun way to get involved with that part. You get to discover new cool programs that you wouldn't have otherwise [00:38] no I haven't looked into that.. I thought my tech skills needed improvement... [00:38] hi guys. I won't be able to be long. just wanted to give my support for akgraner application. thanks :) [00:38] thanks BUGabundo :-) [00:38] akgraner: well, you are welcome to try it out, we're pretty friendly in #ubuntu-bugs :) [00:38] I think we're about ready to vote? [00:38] yep [00:38] even when I want to help review ideas in brainstorm ziroday usually reviews things with me.. [00:39] yeah [00:39] greg-g, thanks! [00:39] brilliant work in such a short time! It's been fantastic working with you so far, looking forward to much more in the future :) +1 [00:39] +1 [00:39] well, with an eye towards a great User Conference in 2010, I'm giving a +1 [00:39] welcome aboard, akgraner [00:39] congrats, akgraner! welcome :) [00:39] agree with greg-g, a user conf would rock [00:39] Thanks! woo hoo! :-) [00:40] akgraner: nice one :) kudos [00:40] congrats akgraner ! [00:40] congratz akgraner [00:40] akgraner: well past my bedtime ,glad I stayed up, [00:40] I'll get posting to the list...and keep everyone informed... [00:40] nn folks [00:40] bye czajkowski [00:40] congrats akgraner [00:40] :-) [00:40] Q-FUNK: you're up. brief introduction, please :) [00:40] Thanks everyone [00:41] congrats akgraner [00:41] hiya! I've been heavily involved in debian since 1999, first as a user, then as a package maintianer. at ubuntu, my involvement has mostly been in LTSP and in business issues. [00:42] oh and I attended UDS intrepid in Prague [00:42] humm Q-FUNK too? just want to say, he does a great job on #ubuntu+1. and with that, I go to bed! see you all tomorrow :) [00:42] BUGabundo: thanks! :) [00:43] quite an extensive resume, Q-FUNK [00:43] * beuno waves [00:43] I've been involved on and off at the local ubuntu support partner (Linux-Tuki) as well. [00:43] Evenin BUGabundo [00:44] Q-FUNK: can you briefly explain how the debian-ubuntu work you do works? [00:44] with regard to packages upstream in debian and their ubuntu counterparts [00:44] what is your job? [00:45] pleia2: sure. from day one, I've had the approach that whatever can be merged upstream should be. from ubuntu or any other distro. I'm a fairly liberal patch merger. [00:45] so if something is patched within ubuntu, you make sure it gets back to debian? [00:45] and it's not really a job as much as a will to avoid forks and duplicated work among debian derivatives :) [00:45] cool [00:47] Q-FUNK: a very great goal, I appreciate that work very much [00:47] I see you have several PPAs as well, have you thought about applying to Ubuntu via MOTU (the packaging team) directly? [00:48] greg-g: thanks. I still remember debconf5, which was ubuntu's first visit to the debian universe. I was the MC at debianDay and the one who had the idea of organizing an impromptu meeting between derivatives. [00:48] Nice Q-FUNK ! [00:48] and I must say that things have come a LONG way since the edgy reception that the ubuntu crew got back in 2005. [00:49] glad to hear it :) [00:49] yes, yes they have [00:49] Q-FUNK: do you think good progress is being made with LTSP into schools and businesses? [00:50] pleia2: I have skipped the idea of joining MOTU entirely since I have extensive packaging experience from debian and also because most of my debian packages end up in main at ubuntu. [00:50] Q-FUNK: *nod* I've tended to take a similar approach, my packages are the same [00:50] ...where MOTU upload rights would be of no use. [00:51] Well,I think we're ready for a vote now. [00:51] boredandblogging: definitely. I've witnessed this first-hand at my previous job, as I was the business development manager for a company that makes, among other things, thin client hardware. [00:52] great work over the years, Q-FUNK :) +1 [00:52] +1 from me, great contributions, Q-FUNK [00:52] yup, yup, +1 [00:52] keep up the good work Q-FUNK [00:52] welcome, Q-FUNK ! :) [00:52] \o/ thanks everyone! :) [00:52] congratz Q-FUNK [00:52] congrats, welcome Q-FUNK! [00:53] congrats Q-FUNK !! [00:53] congrats! [00:53] congrats sconklin and Q-FUNK ! \O/ woo hoo!! [00:53] and akgraner too! [00:53] pak33m: ok, you're up! [00:53] Q-FUNK: might be worth looking at per-package upload rights in the future, even if you don't want universe upload rights [00:54] ok i am ready [00:54] just give us a brief intro [00:54] ajmitch: we briefly brushed this, back when stgraber got his restricted upload rights to main, actually :) [00:54] bit nervous still [00:54] my name is jimmy harris [00:55] been a member of the florida team since march 2007 [00:55] jimmah! [00:55] oh sorry :-! [00:55] hehe [00:55] JIMMY!!! [00:55] np [00:55] worked on various projects for the us teams since then as well [00:55] including for both -fl and -us been a meeting mod, minutes recorder and reporter [00:56] yeah, pak33m is our newest mentor on the USTeams \o/ [00:56] i continue to do the aforemntioned for -fl [00:56] am currently a us teams mentor for the alaska team [00:56] pleia2 gave me the biggest state other -fl [00:57] pak33m: weren't you DJing Florida Linux Show with Ubuntu Studio? [00:57] the majority of my involvment within the ubuntu community has been loco advocacy [00:57] pak33m: loco advocacy is great stuff, that is how I got started [00:57] boredandblogging: yes i do use ubutu studio and mixxx to dj [00:57] greg-g: i got my real boost at ubuntu live [00:57] pak33m was also at the SELF sessions with akgraner and I, great conversation there, inspired the US-PA team to start talking about having more tech events (we don't do enough bugjams and things) [00:58] good deal [00:58] yes, i cant say enough how inspriring it was to meet with other loco team members there [00:59] Jimmy has helped me out tremendously. I don't even have to ask if the team reports were done. He has many good talents and loves to plan and follow through! He and another member chaynie have recently organized a re-occurring bugjam in orlando. Our first one was last weekend, but we plan to do it monthly [00:59] pak33m: so, the standard question: what are your plans for the near future? [00:59] my focus is on loco advocacy within the -fl team and for us teams and ubuntu in general [00:59] oh sorry :-) I meant pak33m [00:59] itnet7: no worries [01:00] my plans fo rthe furture are to continue working with my awesome and growing -fl team, work more with us teams projectsand more loco team mentoring [01:00] pak33m: so you're doing bug jams, do you also do packaging jams or anything else like that? [01:01] i have a passion for getting things going in loco teams [01:01] pak33m, mentoring skills are great.. a real source of encouragement... [01:02] greg-g: yes, i am helping to orgranize pack and buig jams for the -fl team [01:02] good deal. [01:02] as reocurring events [01:02] I like the recurring part :) [01:03] greg-g: inspired by the -mi team [01:03] pak33m: of course, you're welcome :) [01:03] we just had a bug jam this past sunday which was a blast [01:03] awesome, they really can be [01:03] theu -fl team is coming together better as a result [01:04] and i am proude to help oragnaize that for the -fl team [01:04] That is very encouraging, I like to hear it. [01:04] Well, I think we're ready to vote. [01:04] i put a great deal of effort and time into my inv into the ubuntu community [01:04] awesome work pak33m :) +1 [01:04] pak33m: you need to put some of your music online [01:05] for using the great bug/packaging jam idea and other good advocacy work, +1 from me [01:05] pak33m: you know, get a blog like the rest of us schmucks [01:05] +1 [01:05] boredandblogging: musics coming [01:05] woohoo, congrats pak33m! [01:05] oh and ive been denting lately [01:05] pak33m: congrats! [01:05] +1 pak33m !!! Good Job you deserve it! [01:05] pak33m, congrats! [01:05] awesome thank you pleia2 greg-g boredandblogging [01:05] and everybody else [01:05] i wont let you all down [01:06] :) [01:06] pak33m: you've been doing great work, I don't foresee that happening [01:06] congrats to all the new members! [01:06] hehe that was my pledge [01:07] congrats to all the new members [01:07] thanks for a great meeting everyone :) congrats [01:07] thank you again [01:07] I think that is it for tonight. Have a great evening everyone and see you next meeting. [01:07] congrats all! [01:07] Thanks you all!! [01:08] akgraner: you were great [01:08] pak33m, as were you! Thanks! === antdedyet_ is now known as antdedyet [01:13] thanks everyone! [09:02] [03:35] http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=fr&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.ubuntu-fr.org%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fpid%3D2808462%23p2808462&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0= [09:02] [03:35] http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2808462#p2808462 [10:36] hello, anything going on today? [10:48] ludovicc: i missed the starting time === sladen_ is now known as sladen [11:04] it's confusing: the wiki page says 9:00 UTC, the calendar says 14:00 === fader|away is now known as fader_ [15:17] hi [15:18] Hi yinoneh. === mvo__ is now known as mvo [16:00] ok, Ubuntu translations meeting [16:00] hello everybody [16:00] so who's there? [16:00] here [16:01] me, though I might be only partially around === dpm changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu translations meeting /https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TranslatingUbuntu/Events/Meetings [16:01] me, same as danilos [16:02] anyone else would like to raise his/her hand? Otherwise, we'll get started [16:02] aloha [16:02] me too, but have to leave... :( [16:03] hi everyone, let's start with some of the topics from the last meeting [16:04] [TOPIC] Communication within the localization teams [16:04] evanrmurphy: I think that was your topic, would you like to start? [16:04] dpm: Sure thing. [16:05] #startmeeting [16:05] Meeting started at 10:05. The chair is dpm. [16:05] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:05] [TOPIC] Communication within the localization teams [16:05] I was curious to here about how communication is handled with the other localization teams. [16:05] New Topic: Communication within the localization teams [16:05] With the Ubuntu Spanish Translators, we've got a tried and true mailing list which is the fount for basically all our communication. [16:06] It's nice because it's simple and centralized, but I became aware of some weaknesses to our relying on it entirely. [16:07] The largest point of concern is that new people interested in our team I think are often looking for a lot of feedback. [16:08] But it's happened that people have written to the ML and been underwhelmed by responses. [16:09] (People on our team naturally get busy and don't respond to every post they see on the mailing list, plus the nature of a mailing list makes responses less obligatory, IMO.) [16:09] so I recently started (actually revived) an IRC channel for our team at #ubuntu-l10n-es [16:10] A few of us have been hanging out there fairly consistently, and I've been pleased because it's allowed me to get to know better some of my teammates, who I was otherwise working side-by-side with but seldom conversing with. [16:11] We've already had a few new people come to the channel, and I think the live interaction has been beneficial for them, and encouraged them to continue pursuing translations with us even though it can be difficult. [16:11] evanrmurphy: I'm pleased to hear that. We've got the same approach and issues in our Catalan team with the mailing list. We haven't got a dedicated channel for translations, but we've just been talking about using the one from our loco for meetings and so on. [16:12] So that's all I had to say, really. Just an anecdote about this recent development in our team I wanted to share with you, perhaps have your feedback, and hear how these kinds of things are on your teams. Thanks. [16:13] I do agree that IRC is also good for translations. Sometimes it helps even for experienced translators to have real-time communications for quick reviews. Do other translation teams use e.g. forums? [16:14] IRC is ok if you have a very active team [16:14] otherwise a forum or a ML is recommended as most probably you will not have all translators online in the same time [16:15] and reading IRC logs is not a pleasant task [16:15] adiroiban: Yes, I agree. IRC has its weaknesses as well. [16:15] we are using #ubuntu-ro as an all jack channel [16:16] chat, support, l10n, planning, meetings [16:16] but we don't have to many l10n discussions [16:16] adiroiban: That sounds very sensible for the Romanian team. [16:17] With Spanish, there are tens and tens of LoCo teams, but only one translations team. So it's a bit unfortunate that with all the translators spread across so many countries, we're unable to unite in one LoCo. [16:17] But we're lucky to have so many contributors all across the world. [16:18] I suppose different teams will need different solutions and tools. [16:19] Yes, I think that's a good summary, I'd also propose you to just ask in the ubuntu-translators mailing list, see what other teams not here today do [16:20] dpm: Sounds good. :) [16:20] ok, anything else, shall we go for the next topic? [16:21] [TOPIC] Reverting old translations to packaged ones [16:21] New Topic: Reverting old translations to packaged ones [16:21] danilos: that was your topic, if you've got time, go ahead, if not, I can take it [16:22] well, it's simple [16:22] I am considering reverting all changed translations before 2008-01-01, when we didn't have enough tools to track those changes, or when Launchpad didn't behave as well as today [16:23] so, this would be for all languages in Ubuntu, and it'd be interesting to know if people are interested in us doing it [16:23] if not, there's always an option for any particular team to ask for a single language to be reverted [16:23] what do you mean by reverting? [16:23] adiroiban: well, reverting to packaged translations, when they are different from ones provided in LP [16:23] moving current translations as suggestions? [16:24] basically, use "Packaged" suggestions for all translations changed in LP before 2008-01-01 [16:24] or just deleting them? [16:24] Using Packaged instead of Current? [16:24] adiroiban: we wouldn't be deleting them, we would leave them as suggestions [16:24] in general, we very rarely delete anything [16:25] only in the case of obvious mistake (like someone uploading a wrong language PO file to another language) [16:25] Could you explain a bit more about the rationale, danilos? [16:25] Hm... I don't know what to say. I don't feel the need for this in RO translations. [16:25] maybe just leave each team to request it. [16:26] evanrmurphy: just a little bit more: in early days of Launchpad, there was no 'changed in LP' filter, nor were 'Packaged' translations shown so prominently [16:26] also, I think that soon UTC will be able to revert a package [16:26] danilos: and with how much granularity could this be done, i.e. could people provide a list of templates who'd like to see reverted, or would this just apply to a whole distro? [16:26] which means that there were a lot of inadvertent changes done in many ubuntu translations, why upstreams hated us [16:27] dpm: no, it's either easy do-it-for-all, or back to using changed-in-lp filter if people want more granularity [16:27] we don't have enough time to handle all this for each team specifically [16:27] adiroiban: why do you think that? if that was the case, I think I'd know about it :) [16:28] adiroiban: (i.e. that UTC will be able to revert a package) [16:28] :p [16:28] ah [16:28] so, my impression from this meeting is: there's no particular interest for this simple solution; conclusion is: we won't do it :) [16:29] we still offer each team an option to request that language to be reverted, but otherwise, it's up to using the web UI :) [16:29] danilos: so just to get it clear, this would be for all languages at once, if it were to be done? [16:29] dpm: that's right [16:29] danilos: I guess it just comes as a bit of a shock. [16:29] And I'm not sure I understand all the implications. [16:30] evanrmurphy: depends on who you ask, translators active both upstream and in Ubuntu, and where Ubuntu translation teams were open for a long time, were those who made me think it would be desireable [16:30] in general, it seems we don't have those people here, so it's a moot point [16:30] anyway, there doesn't seem to be enough motivation to carry on with this, so I won't [16:30] Perhaps we can discuss it further on the ML? [16:30] sorry, I got to go back to the other stuff I got to finish today [16:30] evanrmurphy: by all means, but I will be gone for 2 weeks [16:31] evanrmurphy: I am happy for ubuntu translators to discuss it and let me know if they want it done [16:31] Yes, again, let's take it to the ML, thanks for the explanation, danilo. My take is that it'd be interesting only on a team by team basis [16:32] anything else, shall we move on? [16:32] danilos: I would prefer not to do it for all languages. It should be left open for each team to decide if they want it for their language or not. (I know that for zh_TW we would not want it.) [16:33] yes, maybe request it through the rosetta Answers in LP [16:33] ArneGoetje: we already said many times that's fine, this time I am proposing doing it with a date limitation [16:34] danilos: would it be fine if we ask it on the ML and provide a list of those teams who'd want to do that? [16:35] dpm: sure [16:35] ok, let's take it from there then [16:35] next topic, adiroiban [16:35] [TOPIC] Communicating with Ubuntu translation teams [16:35] New Topic: Communicating with Ubuntu translation teams [16:36] ok. [16:37] Now that we have shared translations between jaunty and karmic [16:37] I think that we should see more progress for Jaunty translations during the Karmic development cicle [16:37] \o/ [16:37] and it this case it would make sense to have oftern language packs updated for Jaunty [16:38] but since we don't have a communication with many teams [16:38] maybe it will be hard to have the signoff of the language packs [16:38] ... this is just one of the reasons why communication is important [16:38] so [16:39] our goal should to be see ways in which we can reach [16:39] ubuntu localization teams [16:39] first questions [16:39] do you think we should name ubuntu localizatoin team contacts? [16:40] or just communicate with teams [16:40] I like the idea of having a team contact, since sometimes it is difficult to contact a team with say 3 administrators [16:40] without the need of naming team coordinators [16:40] coordinator [16:41] why is dificult to contact a team with 3 admins? [16:41] what do you mean by "without naming team coordinators"? I think the team coordinator would be the first candidate for being the contact point [16:41] the answer probability should be greater :) [16:42] Probability is greater with 3 admins, but responsibility is diffused. [16:42] team coordinator(s) = team contact(s) [16:42] adiroiban: it is only difficult (although that was probably the wrong word) in the sense that you do not know which one is the coordinator [16:43] evanrmurphy: you put it very nicely :) [16:43] as long as we got an answer, why should we care who is the coordinator? [16:44] I can consult with my team and see if the team leader, Ricardo Pérez, would be willing to be the l10n team contact. [16:44] As the team's representative I'd expect the coordinator to be more responsive, and it's easier to just contact one person [16:44] dpm: ok. [16:45] then let's start a wiki page similar to LoCo teams [16:45] but I think the next question is how can this be implemented, do we take the model of loco teams adi is suggesting? [16:45] like having l10n-contacts or something? [16:45] at least, this could help up in identifing the teams what receive our information [16:46] dpm: I will keep it on launchpad-translators [16:46] do don't have a huge trafic anyway [16:47] adiroiban: what do you mean by keeping it in launchpad-translators? [16:47] I mean in practical terms [16:47] if we are going to have a l10n-contacts (team or ML), it is better to name it approved-l10n-teams [16:47] launchpad-translators mailinglist [16:48] basicaly we need a communication channel with l10n team contacts. Right? [16:48] Or I'm missing the point [16:48] adirioban: Yes. [16:48] That channel could take many different forms, correct? [16:49] yes, I understant you mean the launchpad-translators mailing list, but in which way does this differ from the current ubuntu-translators mailing list? [16:49] Are you suggesting the l10n team contacts be available on the launchpad-translators ML? [16:49] dpm: darn. my bad [16:49] ubuntu-translators [16:49] How about this: [16:49] Right, now I get you :) [16:49] ignore what I said about launchpad-translators and replace it with ubuntu [16:50] yes, yes, I get you [16:50] l10n team contacts (probably the team admin) should be available on the ubuntu-translators ML [16:50]