[00:04] <kees> kwadronaut: and testing of said patch too :)
[00:14] <ausimage> K I have a packaging conundrum...
[00:14] <ausimage> with python... essential when dpkg configs the package it cannot find its modules...
[00:15] <ausimage> ie cannot import python code...
[00:15] <ausimage> from the main python script...
[00:15] <ausimage> lp:apt-zeroconf/r0.5
[00:16] <ausimage> some hints indicate it maybe its init script that dpkg calls...
[00:16] <ausimage> ajmitch: ?
[00:20] <ausimage> anyone?
[00:21] <ajmitch> be patient
[00:21]  * ajmitch is at work & can't look closely 
[00:21] <ausimage> k sorry
[00:21] <ajmitch> it's been quiet in here today, so I don't know who else is around
[00:22] <ausimage> ok... always hard to tell
[00:23] <ajmitch> you should also give more details, such as logs from when you try & install it, in pastebin
[00:23] <ausimage> k...
[00:25] <ausimage> ajmitch: there has been only the python that was an Import Error thus far that happens after dpkg config
[00:26] <ausimage> I really though it might be the code itself but I can run the commands after it is installed with no errors
[00:26] <ausimage> *thought
[00:27] <ajmitch> does this happen on karmic, jaunty, randomly?
[00:27] <ausimage> Karmic for sure as that is what most of testers are using...
[00:28] <ausimage> and it is quite regular... dpkg config reconfig
[00:29]  * ajmitch can't reproduce it in pbuilder
[00:29] <ausimage> from the 0.5.1 package?
[00:29] <ajmitch> from the bzr branch, at least
[00:30] <ausimage> oh cool then maybe the suggestion worked :/
[00:30] <ausimage> ajmitch I modified the path of the init script
[00:30] <ausimage> er the path value
[00:30] <ausimage> I was not sure if that made any difference
[00:32] <ausimage> ajmitch: then the init script environment is pathless without the PATH: value?
[00:32] <ajmitch> not that I recall, but you'd probably want to look that up in debian policy at least
[00:33] <ausimage> cause that is about the only change I did :S
[00:33] <ausimage> thanks for your time ajmitch
[00:33] <ausimage> I will look at debian policy then too
[02:31] <jmarsden> Is there a way to cause rmadison to follow 302 redirects?  In Jaunty I am seeing things like  <p>The document has moved <a href="http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive//madison.cgi?package=libmozjs1d-dev&amp;text=on&amp;">here</a>.</p>
[02:31]  * ScottK doesn't get that at all.
[02:32] <ajmitch> the url has been updated in karmic's ubuntu-dev-tools
[02:33] <ScottK> Ah.  I think there's one in jaunty-backports perhaps.
[02:33]  * ScottK runs rmadison to find out
[02:33] <ajmitch> or devscripts, sorry
[02:33] <jmarsden> OK, I'll try to grab that...
[02:33] <ajmitch> I know I saw it on karmic-changes earlier :)
[02:33] <ScottK> Rught
[02:33] <ScottK> Right
[02:34] <ScottK> Yep.  Current devscripts in jaunty-backports
[02:37] <jmarsden> I seem to have devscripts 2.10.48ubuntu1~jaunty1  and it doesn't want to update even with jaunty-backports enabled...
[02:39] <jmarsden> I'll eat first and figure it out later when I am suitable fortified :)
[02:40] <ajmitch> backports isn't quite updated, by the look of things
[02:40] <Ampelbein> hey there... I remember there being a command to find out the relationship between 2 packages. i.e. you give it 2 packages and it checks why package2 gets pulled in when installing package1 - but I don't know the name anymore.
[02:42] <nhandler> Ampelbein: You can use 'aptitude why' to see why a package got installed
[02:44] <Ampelbein> nhandler: thx, that will do.
[03:22] <stochastic> I'm packaging an application and in it's aclocal.m4 file there are numerous headers with Copyright designations that read "Copyright (C) 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005  Free Software Foundation, Inc." with varying dates.  Do all of these notices need to be included in the debian/copyright file?
[03:26] <ScottK> stochastic: No.  Just the license.
[03:26] <ScottK> If this were Debian, the answer would be yes, but we aren't as pedantic about it as they are.  Getting the licenses documented is what actually matters.
[03:27] <stochastic> ScottK, there really isn't a license, here's an example of one of the headers: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/219469/
[03:28] <ScottK> stochastic: Sure there is. Lines 5 -7 is the license.
[03:30] <stochastic> ScottK, so in the debian/copyright file, I should just make a note that states: some files have the following license attached: ...
[03:30] <stochastic> (underneath the GPL2 or higher standard notice)
[03:30] <ankurwidguitar> Hi all
[03:31] <ankurwidguitar> How would I get a mentor for MOTU training?
[03:32] <ankurwidguitar> Can somebody please tell me anything about it in detail?
[03:34] <ScottK> stochastic: Yes, except you have to say which, so say something like */aclocal.m4 under the following license:
[03:34] <ScottK> ankurwidguitar: One way is to just ask questions here.  No formality needed.
[03:34] <ScottK> stochastic: Odds are you'd get accepted without that since the .m4 files are auto generated, but it's better to have it in.
[03:35] <ankurwidguitar> Scottk: Can you give me any details? Well, I am sorry if I started the wrong way.
[03:36] <ScottK> ankurwidguitar: There is a formal mentoring program where someone gets assigned to help you.  I don't know much about it.  The people here are generally helpful, so you can just ask questions with no formalities needed.
[03:36] <ScottK> Let me find the getting started link for you to read
[03:37] <stochastic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted
[03:37] <ankurwidguitar> That's cool
[03:37] <ankurwidguitar> I read that page, but I couldn't find how to get a mentor
[03:37] <ankurwidguitar> That's why I need somebody to explain it to me
[03:38] <ScottK> ankurwidguitar: Here's another one.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[03:38] <stochastic> Subscribe to the ubuntu-motu-mentors mailing list. https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu-mentors and ask on there
[03:38] <ankurwidguitar> Oh! Is it all?
[03:39] <ankurwidguitar> Isn't there any formal procedure for this?
[03:39] <ScottK> That's the formal procedure
[03:39] <ScottK> Ask on the mailing list.
[03:40] <ankurwidguitar> Thank you guys!
[03:53] <porthose> ankurwidguitar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring;-)
[04:17]  * StevenK nails RAOF__ to IRC
[04:32] <stochastic> does anyone feel like taking a REVU of any of these packages: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xwax http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/a2jmidid
[05:58] <Dabian> Anyone from the CC here?  I need them to consider a change to the CoC, so I can sign it. :)
[06:00] <micahg> Dabian: why would a consideration make you sign it now?
[06:01] <Dabian> micahg: What do you mean?
[06:01] <Dabian> Oh .. I would sign the changed CoC of course. :)
[06:03] <micahg> ah, ok
[06:05] <Dabian> micahg: Sorry if my original statement was confusing.
[06:06] <Dabian> Hmm .. seems all four members of the CC are offline.
[06:06] <Dabian> error
[06:06] <Dabian> half of them appears to be offline.
[06:06] <Dabian> the other half appears to have been idle for day(s).
[06:07] <Dabian> Would it be silly to sign an altered version of the CoC?
[06:11] <fabrice_sp> Good morning. java3d is now building fine in amd64. Is it possible to retry to build it (a "give-back" to the buildds) ? Thanks
[06:19] <StevenK> fabrice_sp: Done
[06:20] <fabrice_sp> thanks StevenK
[06:21] <morphias> hey is the ubuntu team hiring?
[06:21] <freakabcd> hi all
[06:22] <fabrice_sp> hi freakabcd
[06:22] <freakabcd> at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/
[06:22] <freakabcd> i see the dvd images are 4.9 G in size
[06:22] <freakabcd> have we moved to dual-layer dvds by deafult already?
[06:23] <fabrice_sp> morphias, have a look at http://www.canonical.com/aboutus/employment
[06:25] <freakabcd> seriously guys, its 4.9G  !!
[06:26] <fabrice_sp> freakabcd, I don't think so, but tbh, I don't know. Some cleanup in the archive is still needed, I think
[06:27] <freakabcd> nope, for sure it is 4.9 GiB
[06:27] <freakabcd> so dual layer dvd :(
[06:30] <fabrice_sp> How can a package build fine in sbuild, and fail in the archive, with this error: Unable to find a javac compiler (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29127840/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-amd64.java3d_0.0.cvs.20090202.dfsg-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz)?
[06:39] <pochu> morphias: Canonical is: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/
[06:53] <StevenK> fabrice_sp: 4.9GB probably means it's oversized, it should be 4.7GB
[06:53] <StevenK> Sigh. freakabcd &
[06:53] <StevenK> fabrice_sp: You lose, java3d failed on amd64 again
[06:54] <fabrice_sp> StevenK, I saw. But it's strange, because now, its not finding the java compiler :-/
[06:54] <freakabcd> Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a standard 700MB CD. However, you may still test it using a DVD, a USB drive, or a virtual machine.
[06:54] <fabrice_sp> that's why I was asking before why it can build fine in a sbuild chroot and not in buildds :-/
[06:54] <freakabcd> StevenK, thats the message on top. says about oversized images for CDs. not DVDs.
[06:55] <StevenK> freakabcd: Yes, there is a karmic-dvd-i386.OVERSIZED file, which means the image is larger than it should be.
[06:55] <StevenK> freakabcd: Yes, that's a bug too.
[06:55] <freakabcd> someone needs to fix the doco there.
[06:55] <StevenK> I'm looking at it now
[06:55] <freakabcd> thanks for verifying. also is there any info about this VM bug?
[06:56] <StevenK> Which bug?
[06:56] <Dabian> OK .. I signed the stock version!
[06:56] <freakabcd> sorry. the bug thats generating the oversized images (for both cds and dvds)
[06:57] <StevenK> freakabcd: It requires investigation.
[06:58] <StevenK> freakabcd: So, there's two bugs. 1) The livecds and dvd images are oversized, and 2) the oversized message for DVDs is misleading
[06:58] <freakabcd> yes, i want to know of bug 1, bug2 is interesting, but a trivial fix
[06:59] <freakabcd> lol ubottu :)
[06:59] <StevenK> freakabcd: I'm looking at the code now, it isn't.
[06:59] <StevenK> (for the second bug)
[07:01] <freakabcd> really?
[07:02] <freakabcd> don;t tell me there isn;t an override. i.e. have something manually added to the autogenerated messages?
[07:02] <StevenK> Well, the code should be taught to about the difference between CDs and DVDs.
[07:03] <freakabcd> yes, my solution was an intermediate solution
[07:04] <StevenK> freakabcd: I've reported bug 400090 about the issue, if you'd like to subscribe
[07:05] <freakabcd> thanks StevenK
[07:08] <freakabcd> just subscribed to it
[07:14] <freakabcd> gotta run off now
[07:37]  * maxb is a bit surprised that dh_make recommends licensing your debian packaging under GPL-3
[07:37] <lifeless> I find packaging licencing a fundamentally odd concept
[07:45] <alkisg> When I insert e.g. the Jaunty CD in the drive, I get prompted to install new software from this CD. What is needed to create a similar CD containing the packages from a repository of mine? Do I just need to burn the /dist and /pool directories?
[07:59] <dholbach> good morning
[08:00] <iulian> Morning dholbach.
[08:01] <dholbach> hi iulian
[08:21] <didrocks> good morning
[08:22] <kklimonda> am I the only one who gets 302 when using rmadison today?
[08:41] <stochastic> kklimonda, you're not the only one.  I get this on a Jaunty system.
[08:45] <slytherin> Same here on hardy system.
[08:47] <slytherin> It looks like url has changed from http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/madison.cgi to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/madison.cgi
[08:48] <raywang> Hi, does anyone have time to review a package? : )
[08:52] <tweaker25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=fr&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.ubuntu-fr.org%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fpid%3D2808462%23p2808462&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0=
[08:52] <tweaker25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2808462#p2808462
[08:52] <tweaker25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=fr&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.ubuntu-fr.org%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fpid%3D2808462%23p2808462&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0=
[08:52] <tweaker25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2808462#p2808462
[08:52] <tweaker25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=fr&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.ubuntu-fr.org%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fpid%3D2808462%23p2808462&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0=
[08:52] <tweaker25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2808462#p2808462
[08:54] <AnAnt> slytherin: silly me !
[08:55] <AnAnt> slytherin: re-uploaded monajat now !
[08:56] <modder25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=fr&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.ubuntu-fr.org%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fpid%3D2808462%23p2808462&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0=
[08:56] <modder25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2808462#p2808462
[08:56] <Flannel> modder25, tweaker25: stop it.
[08:57] <geser> good morning
[08:57] <dpm> modder25: tweaker25: I think others have already explained you very well already that this is not how it works
[08:58] <geser> kklimonda: bug 399891
[08:59] <modder25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=fr&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.ubuntu-fr.org%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fpid%3D2808462%23p2808462&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0=
[08:59] <modder25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2808462#p2808462
[08:59] <AnAnt> what's going on ?
[09:00] <micahg> I think someone has a couple of bots in the room
[09:00] <micahg> same user on both
[09:00] <wgrant> Not bots.
[09:00] <wgrant> Just a strange user.
[09:00]  * _ruben blames canada!
[09:00] <AnAnt> modder25: viens a #ubuntu-fr
[09:00] <micahg> signed in twice?
[09:01] <wgrant> micahg: Yes.
[09:01] <wgrant> micahg: It speaks in #ubuntu-devel.
[09:01] <wgrant> Threatens, even.
[09:01] <micahg> ok
[09:01] <_ruben> threats, now those are ofcourse *the* way to get instant help
[09:18] <slytherin> AnAnt: Will take some time. Busy with office work.
[09:18] <tmba> Hi guys, I'm looking for some help for changing a dependency of a deb package. Basically I have this proprietary package which has a dependency on an old version of a library. I know it works with newer versions of the library (because I installed it manually using dpkg). However, I'd like to not have apt-get continually complaining about the dependency, so am thinking of changin the dependency using ... equivs? I tried looking for tutorial online, but no
[09:21] <slytherin> tmba: Do you have source for the package?
[09:22] <tmba> slytherin: no, I dont
[09:23] <slytherin> tmba: Then I am not sure you will be able to change dependency.
[09:24] <tmba> I found something about equivs online, but could not find any good documentation on just changing the dependency with it
[09:24] <tmba> as in..  by using equivs
[09:29] <Laney> tmba: yes you can
[09:29] <tmba> Laney: thanks for reply, any suggestions on how to go about doing it?
[09:30] <Laney> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-helpers.en.html here is a good guide
[09:30] <tmba> Laney: thanks, I'll take a look
[09:46] <tmba> Laney: the guide you gave was really good and it worked beautifully.
[09:46] <tmba> Thanks for your help again
[09:46] <Laney> no worries, enjoy
[09:58] <juanje> tmba: also you can extract the binary's content and change it with dpkg-deb (http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/219619/)
[11:15] <quadrispro> any MOTUMedia team member around?
[11:16] <Laney> gaspa: I think we should move with the ghc transition now
[11:17] <gaspa> Laney: i started look at the last weekend... when I asked you about that strange log.
[11:17] <Laney> ok
[11:17] <Laney> I checked with Ian Lynagh
[11:17] <gaspa> but I cannot handle it... is hugs outdated?
[11:17] <gaspa> and?
[11:18] <Laney> and no dice
[11:18] <Laney> i'll have a closer look later
[11:19] <Laney> try and get some transition aids working today
[11:19] <gaspa> yup
[11:19] <gaspa> i uploaded only a couple of packages...
[11:19] <gaspa> there's still a lot of work...
[11:19] <Laney> it's not so bad
[11:22] <Laney> we have the power!
[11:23]  * Laney rewrites GNOME in Haskell
[11:23] <Laney> forget this c# business
[11:24] <gaspa> LOL
[11:48]  * slytherin wishes he could re-write GNOME in java.
[12:46] <rawler> hey people!
[12:47] <rawler> I'm pondering a problem I've been experiencing every now and then, and I'm thinking of whether it should actually be considered a Denial Of Service - weakness in the VM of Linux..
[12:48] <rawler> basically, whenever any app eats a little too much ram and starts swapping exessively, the system get's completely unusable..
[12:49] <rawler> basically, in bad cases, it can take half-hours or more before the OOM-killer decides to slay the process, and meanwhile, it's almost hopeless trying to log-on and killing it manually.. (takes up to half-hours as well)
[12:50] <rawler> I've written a short test-program to demonstrate.. (silly stuff.. just keep allocating 4-meg chunks of memory, and keep iterating all ram to stress the paging mechanisms)
[12:51] <rawler> but this program http://pastebin.com/m72f1539f, actually sinks my machine to the point where it's very difficult to get enough control to stop the program, especially if run a few times in parallell.. (the system just starts swapping exessively)
[12:53] <rawler> I think it's possible to devise memory-access patterns that would be even more evil to the swap, and on a multi-user-system, this is a fairly effective Denial Of Service in the default configuration of Ubuntu..
[12:55] <rawler> although, I'm not sure the core issue is at Ubuntu.. it could be prevented in theory by ulimit:ing rss to avoid run-away memory-hogs swapping out too many other processes, but that could again be circumvented by launching several memory-hogs in parallell to exhaust memory anyways..
[12:55] <rawler> have anyone got any thoughts about this?
[12:56] <rawler> I'm considering taking it further, but I'm unsure of where to? Ubuntu-kernel-team? Ubuntu-security? Maybe LKML directly, or what?
[12:58] <geser> google for "overcommit" and "linux"
[13:06] <rawler> geser: reading.. still not sure this is my problem though..
[13:06] <rawler> the overcommit seems to be dealing whether a process is allowed to allocate more memory than RAM + SWAP..
[13:07] <rawler> my problem is that when the system starts using the swap, it can be forced into situations where it's difficult to regain control and kill the offender..
[13:10] <geser> disks are slow, so to avoid this lags is to not let swap getting used (e.g. disable swap). without swap you get to the OOM point earlier and don't have the slow-down of disks
[13:10] <rawler> ok, but then what's the point of having a swap?
[13:10] <rawler> the default Ubuntu-installation comes with a fairly sized swap, doesn't it?
[13:14] <rawler> if someone have a little time on their hand, it would be greatly appreciated if they would download the source-code, build it, and test the effect on their systems.. on my system, launching a couple of those processes will almost halt the system.. it takes so long for the OOM-killer to trigger react that I'm more or less forced to a powercycle just to get control back.. maybe it's a problem with my configuration, maybe it's a driver-
[13:24] <directhex> rawler, the oom-killer sucks
[13:24] <_andre> hello
[13:24] <_andre> i have uploaded some packages to revu last week
[13:24] <rawler> directhex: how so?
[13:24] <_andre> they're lintian- and revu- clean
[13:25] <_andre> i've been trying to get someone to review them for inclusion in ubuntu
[13:25] <_andre> anyone could have a look at them?
[13:37] <_andre> is this the appropriate way to get reviewers, or is there a mailing list or some other different process?
[13:46] <rawler> interesting enough, I just tried running the above stuff on my older laptop (also Ubuntu), and while it were definitely stressed of the experience, it did not exactly halt, thrashing so much that it was not possible to regain control..
[13:48] <rawler> so I wonder whether this exessive swapping behavior is somehow unique to my desktop-machine for some reason.. unfortunately, I don't have more machine to test on.. :S
[13:54] <rawler> oh, actually, I did manage to halt the older laptop as well.. just required some modifications to the code, and waiting a bit longer..
[13:55] <rawler> but it DID fare much better.. *thinking*
[14:49] <noodles775> Hi! I'm wondering if someone can help me here and there to take over a package that is already on revu but not yet in Ubuntu: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/sphinxbase
[14:50] <noodles775> My first question would be, is it possible for me to start where the other person left off? I don't seem to have permission to download the diff and changes files etc.
[14:51] <noodles775> I've already got the original, but I guess it would be helpful to get the changes etc. too.
[14:54] <james_w> hey noodles775
[14:54] <noodles775> Hi james_w :)
[14:54] <james_w> that package is old, I think you should be ok taking it over
[14:54] <james_w> I'm not sure why you think you can't download the parts though, they're not access controlled as far as I know
[14:55] <vadi2> Is it possible to get the .15 version of pulseaudio on jaunty?
[14:55] <james_w> If you "dget http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/sphinxbase-0807312100/sphinxbase_0.4-0ubuntu1.dsc" then you will have the source package that they last uploaded
[14:55] <james_w> vadi2: I think it needs a newer kernel
[14:56] <vadi2> Ah. Unfortunate. It's being a pita again and defying logic: http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7365/screenshot100082.png
[14:56] <noodles775> james_w: ak ok. I was specifically trying sphinxbase_0.4-0ubuntu1_source.changes which 403s for me.
[14:56] <james_w> noodles775: ah, me too
[14:56] <james_w> .changes aren't important for this though
[14:57] <noodles775> james_w: OK, great. I've got the latest sphinxbase (0.4.1) tag.gz here, so I'll try to go a bit further from there then. Is it ok if I ping you every now-and-then?
[14:58] <james_w> sure
[14:58] <james_w> you know about uupdate?
[14:58] <noodles775> nope
[15:00] <james_w> that will allow you to combine the source package with the new 0.4.1
[15:00] <james_w> if you "dpkg-source -x sphinxbase_0.4-0ubuntu1.dsc"
[15:00] <james_w> then "cd sphinxbase-0.4"
[15:01] <james_w> then you can run "uupdate -f ../sphinxbase-0.4.1.tar.gz"
[15:01] <james_w> (I think that's the right syntax)
[15:01] <james_w> that will get you a 0.4.1 package in ../sphinxbase-0.4.1
[15:01] <noodles775> Nice! I'll try that then.. thanks!
[15:05] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:05] <noodles775> james_w: When using dget I'm getting a failed signature check on dhuggins' key 01342E29, even though I've imported that public key...
[15:05] <james_w> noodles775: not really important
[15:05] <james_w> I'm not sure why though
[15:06] <noodles775> OK, I'll ignore it then :)
[15:15] <geser> noodles775: dget uses dscverify for signature check which doesn't use your users public keyring by default
[15:15] <noodles775> geser: Ah, good to know... thanks!
[15:16] <geser> see the manpage of dscverify for the variable in ~/.devscripts to pass additional keyrings
[15:17] <noodles775> Will do. Taa.
[15:39] <noodles775> james_w: is there a template somewhere for a simple get-orig-source that downloads the tar.gz and verifies it?
[15:39] <noodles775> all the examples I'm finding are more complicated conversions from bz2 etc.
[15:39] <simon-o> hi, what do I enter in requestsync, when a Ubuntu delta can't be dropped?
[15:40] <Laney> nothing because it's then not a sync
[15:40] <james_w> noodles775: you shouldn't need a get-orig-source
[15:41] <james_w> noodles775: a watch file will probably do
[15:41] <james_w> "man uscan"
[15:41] <noodles775> great thanks (I thought it was preferred, but must have misunderstood)
[15:44] <simon-o> Laney: ok, thanks.
[15:45] <Laney> simon-o: this is called a merge
[15:45] <simon-o> Is there any special procedure or just a normal update?
[15:45] <simon-o> Laney: I guess I can just copy the package from debian and merge in the Ubuntu changes
[15:46] <Laney> yes that's the procedure
[15:46] <Laney> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
[15:47] <simon-o> Laney: thanks, I'll try that
[16:03] <Pici> I'm not sure where to ask this, so feel free to punt me elsewhere.  Shouldn't packages updates that fix CVEs be attributed as such on LP's CVE tracker? Or does this functionaly not exist?
[16:28] <noodles775> james_w: OK, once I've tested with pbuilder for karmic, can I just upload the new package to revu?
[16:29] <james_w> yeah
[16:30] <noodles775> Great... seems to be working. Thanks for all your help :)
[16:31] <dholbach> who could imagine giving a session about merging at UDW?
[16:31] <dholbach> merging/syncing maybe, just demoing a few simple examples and the idea behind it
[16:31] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep still has 3 open slots
[16:38] <noodles775> dholbach: I'm feeling less stressed than the other week ;), I'd be happy to fill one of the slots, but probably with something LP related (if there aren't too many yet?)
[16:39] <dholbach> noodles775: there's two sessions about something LP related on there already... what would you like to talk about? it could be something web development-y too
[16:40] <dholbach> I'm just trying to get the schedule in place today or tomorrow because of my holidays :)
[16:58] <_andre> i have uploaded some lintian-clean packages to revu
[16:58] <_andre> i've been trying to get someone to review them for inclusion
[16:59] <_andre> could anyone have a look at them?
[17:00] <_andre> is this the appropriate way to get reviewers, or is there a mailing list or some other different process?
[17:02] <hyperair> this is the place
[17:02] <hyperair> of course, you actually have to provide a link[
[17:03] <hyperair> and perhaps some short description that can catch a passing MOTU's eye
[17:03] <_andre> these are the links:
[17:03] <_andre> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/watchcatd
[17:04] <_andre> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libwcat
[17:04] <_andre> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libapache2-mod-watchcat
[17:04] <hyperair> oh those.
[17:04] <_andre> they work together, the apache module is the most useful one
[17:04] <hyperair> lemme go poke them and see
[17:04] <_andre> especially for shared hosting providers
[17:04] <hyperair> i didn't have time to look at it the other day
[17:04] <_andre> thanks :)
[17:11] <noodles775> If there are any MOTUs with time to look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/sphinxbase for me, it'd make my day too :)
[17:12] <noodles775> I've got to pop out for a few hours, but will check back later... thanks in advance if anyone takes it up.
[17:42] <frostburn> how does one install python modules using easy_install ? it keeps complaining about site.py which was modified by debian as a hack and inherited to ubuntu    I could just copy over the files, but is there a more elegant solution?
[17:43] <_dcraven> Speaking of REVU, is there a process for which to "adopt" stale *needs work* packages in that thing?
[18:11] <hyperair> _andre: W: watchcatd source: diff-contains-svn-control-dir tester/.svn
[18:11] <hyperair> W: watchcatd source: diff-contains-svn-control-dir tester/confs/.svn
[18:13] <_andre> oops
[18:15] <_andre> hyperair: do you see any other issue?
[18:15] <_andre> i can upload a correction right now
[18:35] <hyperair> _andre: don't see anything yet.
[18:37] <hyperair> _andre: regarding your long rules file, i'd actually suggest that you use the dh7 rules style
[18:37] <hyperair> man dh for more info
[18:39] <_andre> i followed the wiki and used dh_make to create a template, and then just edited it
[18:39] <chrisccoulson> hi persia, i'm not sure if you're around or not. if so, would you mind adding me to ubuntu-universe-sponsors please?:)
[18:39] <_andre> would that be a show stopper?
[19:15] <_andre> hyperair: would this rules file be preferred? http://codepad.org/EFuxwHLv
[19:23] <evanrmurphy> When a package is installed or removed, by default its dependencies are as well, right? Or are the dependencies only included for install but not remove... I'm trying to fix a bug where knowledge of this is essential. Is there anybody who could explain or point me toward the relevant documentation? Thanks.
[19:27] <randomaction> evanrmurphy: It depends on what you do. If you install with "apt-get install", dependencies are installed. If you remove with "apt-get remove", they are not removed.
[19:27] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: heh... I think it's specific to a program you use. apt-get doesn't remove unneeded dependencies until you use autoremove, aptitude remove them when a package that depends on them is removed
[19:27] <kklimonda> (at least when you use purge)
[19:28] <randomaction> On the other hand, if you install with "dpkg -i", you'll get a missing dependencies error.
[19:28] <Laney> until you do apt-get -f install
[19:29] <fabrice_sp> you can use also gdebi
[19:30] <evanrmurphy> randomaction, kklimonda, Laney, fabrice_sp: Wow, thanks everybody. That helps a good deal.
[19:34] <Majost> Is there something wrong with launchpad right now?
[19:34] <evanrmurphy> Majost: Main page loads for me. What's the issue?
[19:35] <Majost> I cannot seem to load the main page even
[19:37] <Majost> huh... seems okay now
[19:37] <RoAkSoAx> Hey guys. If upstream drops the -02 CFLAG from a Makefile, should I do the same in debian/rules if I'm specifying that same flag?
[19:37] <Majost> was just taking a really long time to load... sorry for the false alarm.
[19:37] <_andre> do debuild and pbuilder behave differently wrt override_dh_* targets in the rules file?
[19:38] <_andre> my override_dh_auto_build seems to be ignored when using pbuilder
[19:45] <RoAkSoAx> Hey guys. If upstream drops the -02 CFLAG from a Makefile, should I do the same in debian/rules?
[19:47] <kklimonda> RoAkSoAx: probably - was it explained in changelog?
[19:48] <RoAkSoAx> kklimonda, no it wasn't. The new upstream release made that change. So, since they remove the flag from their Makefile, I was wondering if i should do the same in debian/rules
[20:14] <evanrmurphy> I'm trying to fix this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/epiphany-browser/+bug/313690) but I'm stuck. I'm trying to figure first of all if it's really a bug/problem that epiphany-browser doesn't depend on epiphany-browser-data. I'm not sure the bug filer understood that epiphany-browser is a dummy package, but I'm new to this and would appreciate a bit of guidance/advice. Thank you.
[20:28] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: I'm not sure if it's even a bug
[20:29] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: aptitude just informs user that if he tries to remove epiphany-browser-data he has to also remove epiphany-gecko because it depends on -data..
[20:29] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: I have similar doubts. I found it because it was on the http://daniel.holba.ch/harvest/sourcepackages.html list as a "bitesize" bug.
[20:31] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Right. I'm having trouble understanding what making epiphany-browser depend on -data could help, or what the bug reporter was thinking.
[20:31] <simon-o> hi, when I run grab-merge I get a warning about a package being maintained in the debian SVN. Is there anything special to do in this case?
[20:32] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Maybe it's surprising that epiphany-gecko doesn't depend on epiphany-browser-data, but I'm not sure it's a problem.
[20:32] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Can I ask, how would you handle this bug report? Ask for clarification?
[20:33] <kklimonda> but epiphany-gecko depends on epiphany-browser-data - that's why it's removed when you do aptitude purge epiphany-browser-data
[20:33] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: I don't see a bug here..
[20:34] <evanrmurphy> You're right about epiphany-gecko depending on -data, my mistake!
[20:34] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: if we made epiphany-browser depend on -browser-data it wouldn't fix this issue anyway
[20:34] <evanrmurphy> Hmmm...
[20:35] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Is the supposed problem that epiphany-browser-data lingers even after you remove epiphany-browser and epiphany-gecko?
[20:36] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: but it doesn't..
[20:37] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: I think it does.
[20:37] <kklimonda> oh wait hm..
[20:37] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: You have to purge epiphany-browser-data specifically for it to be removed.
[20:38] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: yes - it may be considered a bug. removing epiphany-browser should make all its dependencies "unneeded"..
[20:38] <kklimonda> interesting
[20:39] <kklimonda> i'm kinda slow today because of the heat.. heh..
[20:39] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: No worries, I appreciate your help. :)
[20:40] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: epiphany-browser depends on epiphany-gecko, which in turn depends on epiphany-browser-data.
[20:40] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: I guess the problem is that epiphany-gecko recommends epiphany-extensions and epiphany-extensions depends on epiphany-gecko
[20:42] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Is that a separate problem, or are you suggesting that's the root of this problem?
[20:43] <evanrmurphy> (Not sure why epiphany-extensions would be relevant...)
[20:53] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: I think the real bug is why epiphany-gecko isn't marked for removal after epiphany-browser is removed
[20:54] <kklimonda> but I have no idea why is it..
[20:55] <kklimonda> isn't it*
[20:55] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Yes, you may be right. Perhaps epiphany-gecko is a stand-alone package as well and isn't only useful as the backend to epiphany-browser?
[20:56] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: But supposing your right, what about the issue that removing epiphany-gecko still doesn't remove epiphany-browser-data?
[20:56] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: Yes, but when it's installed as a dependency of epiphany-browser it should be removed with it..
[20:56] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Ahh, I see.
[20:57] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: when you remove epiphany-gecko you can run apt-get autoremove to remove -browser-data
[20:57] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Let me try that.
[20:57] <kklimonda> it should work the same way when you remove epiphany-browser (i.e. it should remove epiphany-gecko AND epiphany-browser-data as they aren't needed anymore)
[20:58] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: You're right that autoremove removes -browser-data after you remove epiphany-gecko.
[20:59] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: But if you autoremove epiphany-browser, it doesn't remove -gecko, -browser-data and the rest...
[20:59] <kklimonda> yes, I have no idea why though..
[21:01] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: I'll make a comment on the bug report following what we've discovered here. Then I'll contact the original maintainer of the package and ask about it. How does that sound?
[21:03] <kklimonda> sounds good to me
[21:04] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Thanks again.
[21:33] <POX> devfil_: any news on wag? DktrKranz needs it...
[21:33] <POX> waf
[21:40] <devfil> POX, nope, I don't know how to extract it
[21:42] <POX> devfil: did you take a look at the webpage I gave you?
[21:44] <devfil> POX, I tried that time ago without results
[21:44]  * devfil retries
[21:59] <micahg> can I still request an update for a new version upstream for karmic?
[22:00] <ajmitch> yes
[22:00] <micahg> is there a special language I have to use, I could only find the debian specific language
[22:02] <ajmitch> what do you mean? There's the requestsync tool, if there's a package in ubuntu that hasn't been modified & the debian package is newer
[22:03] <micahg> no, upstream is newer, not debian
[22:03] <micahg> and we've already jumped beyond the debian version
[22:03] <Laney> just file a bug asking for it
[22:03] <Laney> and tag it upgrade
[22:04] <ajmitch> preferably with an updated package that you've done :)
[22:04] <Laney> well yes, otherwise there's no guarantee it will be done
[22:05] <micahg> I might be able to try updating the package next week
[22:05] <micahg> it's for nmap
[22:06] <micahg> what should I do if I manage to make a package?
[22:06] <ajmitch> subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[22:06] <micahg> and point to my ppa?
[22:07] <Laney> upload the .diff.gz to the bug
[22:07] <micahg> it's a main package actually
[22:07] <ajmitch> ah yes, ubuntu-main-sponsors then
[22:07] <micahg> ok
[22:07] <micahg> cool
[22:07] <micahg> I'll try next week
[22:07] <micahg> thanks
[22:07] <micahg> bug 400410 if anyone else wants to do it :)
[22:07] <ajmitch> you could also open a bug for debian offering your work there
[22:08] <micahg> debian is behind us, debian unstable is at 4.68 and we're at 4.76
[22:08] <micahg> I don't know enough yet to update that
[22:08] <ajmitch> which is why you should offer your update to the debian maintainer
[22:09] <micahg> but I hope to learn some day
[22:09] <ajmitch> it's pretty much the same
[22:10] <ajmitch> the nmap maintainer in debian has been known to lurk around these parts as well
[22:10]  * Laney sees that mentors has 4.76
[22:11] <Laney> from our very own jpds
[22:12] <ajmitch> and lamont asking why he didn't just send a patch to the debian maintainer :)
[22:29] <RoAkSoAx> Hey guys. how can I fix this: install: cannot create regular file `/sbin/ipvsadm': Permission denied
[22:29] <geser> don't install in /
[22:29] <geser> but install below ./debian/tmp or ./debian/<pkg>
[22:30] <geser> check if the Makefile supports DESTDIR
[22:33] <RoAkSoAx> geser, It actually does not support it. Should I add support to it?
[22:33] <geser> yes
[22:38] <RoAkSoAx> geser, one more question. I'm trying to upgrade ipvsadm to latest version (1.25), which adds ipv6 support. debian/rules of ipvsadm 1.24 was: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/220082/ . The one I'm using for ipvsadm1.25 is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/220084/. ipvsadm1.25 gets installed correctly but it seems that it does not have support for ipv6 (It appears that it install the previous version). However, when I installed it from source, it actual
[22:38] <RoAkSoAx> ly has the support. Any ideas of what can be wrong in the packaging?
[22:44] <geser> check in the source when IPv6 is enabled
[22:50] <cyberixae> Why has this source been package as a binary package? http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/line6-usb-source
[22:50] <cyberixae> packaged
[22:52] <RoAkSoAx> geser, and once I have it?
[22:57] <geser> figure out why it hasn't ipv6 support
[23:01] <RoAkSoAx> geser, ok thanks :)
[23:01] <cody-somerville> cyberixae, because the module needs to be compiled for your kernel version
[23:06] <cyberixae> cody-somerville: Is there no way of creating binary packages for such software?
[23:06] <cody-somerville> cyberixae, We do create a binary package
[23:07] <cody-somerville> cyberixae, But without putting the module in the kernel package its self, the package would need to be re-uploaded and rebuilt everytime we bump the kernel ABI from what I understand
[23:07] <cody-somerville> so packages like line6-usb-source are setup so that they'll download to your computer, compile themselves, and re-compile themselves when it detects it needs to
[23:08] <cody-somerville> (using a tool called dkms)
[23:19] <evanrmurphy> How does membership work between MOTU and the MOTU subteams? Does one have to become a general MOTU before s/he can apply for membership in a MOTU subteam, or...? Thank you.
[23:20] <nellery> evanrmurphy: not usually
[23:20] <evanrmurphy> nellery: You were just recently approved as a member, correct?
[23:21] <nellery> evanrmurphy: member for which team?
[23:22] <evanrmurphy> nellery: For MOTU (?) I recall seeing an email about it and a post in the Newsletter.
[23:22] <evanrmurphy> nellery: Well which team(s) are you a member of? :D
[23:23] <nellery> evanrmurphy: I'm a MOTU
[23:26] <evanrmurphy> nellery: Are you a general MOTU then, and/or a member of a MOTU subteam, or does it not really work like that?
[23:28] <nellery> evanrmurphy: mainly just MOTU.
[23:34] <cyberixae> T
[23:39] <maxb> I imagine I can figure it out myself in 10 minutes or so, but does anyone have a readymade example of how to backport "dh --with quilt" to work with a version of quilt which doesn't provide that debhelper integration?
[23:53] <RoAkSoAx> Heya. Anyone know where can I find documentation on what this means?? : $(findstring noopt,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS))