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EruditeHermitasac, fta: would it be worth more if I got an ATI representative to talk about GLSL?00:12
micahgasac: I seem to have trouble with ubufox .8a100:13
asacEruditeHermit: well. dont put the bar high. lets first just do a normal discussion and see where it goes00:13
micahgflash basically doesn't work00:13
micahghaven't tried a new profile yet00:13
micahgbut when I disabled it00:13
micahgflash worked fine00:13
asacEruditeHermit: i didnt even see any response yet, so lets wait for that first00:13
EruditeHermitok00:14
ftaEruditeHermit, well, we're trying to kill nvidia here, so adding ati in the loop is not fair, imho. if it's objective maybe, as long as it doesn't turn into a war00:14
asacgood point00:14
asacdidnt even think that far ;)00:14
ftabut yeah, let the o3d folks answer 1st00:14
asaci first want to understand what they say about that00:14
asacif that story sounds odd w can look further. but most likely they know technical details we dont have yet.00:15
ftano need to argue if they agree00:15
asaci dont think we should really argue at all00:16
asac;)00:17
asacrather understand00:17
asacsee what they are after and communicate what we need00:17
EruditeHermitasac: well it will be objective00:37
EruditeHermitbut I have emailed my contact at Google with the suggestion00:37
EruditeHermiton my own behalf00:37
EruditeHermitI mentioned that it would be potentially problematic for Linux distributions with licensing00:38
asacok thanks00:43
asachmm the soname feature is still broken on 1.2 branch v800:44
asacfta: do you parse the build status somehow already?00:49
asaci mean the green on https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa00:49
ftawhat do you mean?00:49
asacwonder if you already use that page somehow for something ;)00:50
asaci want to fix the problem that you and me (if it would work) are the only ones getting build errors00:50
asacthe launchpad mailing list only allows team members to join00:50
asacso i thought maybe sending a daily mail to some mailing list with just a status (like in the morning)00:51
asacALL GREEN00:51
asac9 GREEN / 3 RED00:51
asacand if there are reds links to the build logs00:51
ftanot very difficult to do00:51
asacin that mail00:51
asacyeah build logs is probably a problem00:52
asacwell problem not really00:52
asacbut not a single page i guess00:52
asacmaybe the links to the build logs are not even needed00:53
asaci have a packaging training session ;)00:54
asac30th July, 06:00 UTC, asac, Mozilla packaging techniques (extensions, patchsystems, bzr)00:55
asacbut i will not really focus on extensions this more00:55
asacmore like explaining how mozilla packages work and hopefully some people will get that updating patches for dailies is a good thing to do ;)00:56
asacok thats it ... 'till tomorrow00:59
starwindanyone here?  o:01:15
micahgsure starwind :)01:16
starwindheya01:16
starwindbit of a newb question, but this deal with Firefox 3.5, or rather, upgrading to it01:17
starwindwhat is the best or proper way to do so01:17
micahgsudo apt-get install firefox-3.501:17
micahgstarwind: which version of Ubuntu?01:17
starwindI found one package(of many) in synaptics thats listed as "firefox-3.5-branding"01:18
starwindit's 9.04/jaunty01:18
micahgok01:18
micahgthe command I give you will be fine01:18
micahgbrb01:19
starwindk01:19
* micahg is back01:55
starwindo:01:56
micahgstarwind: did it work?01:57
starwindyou never gave me the command :P01:59
micahg(07:17:12 PM) starwind: what is the best or proper way to do so02:01
micahg(07:17:30 PM) micahg: sudo apt-get install firefox-3.502:01
starwindoh wow..lol I just noticed it too02:02
starwind>_<02:02
starwindapologies02:02
starwindnow, does this install along side 3.0.x or does it replace it?02:03
micahgalongsdie02:03
micahgside02:03
starwindk02:03
micahg!ff35 > starwind02:03
ubottustarwind, please see my private message02:03
starwindthere's no way to actually replace 3.0.x under jaunty right? Gotta wait till karmic(sp?)02:04
micahgwell, you can uninstall 3.0, but that would cause a few problem02:04
micahgs02:04
micahgso, yes02:04
micahgin karmic ff3.5 will be default02:05
starwindIsee02:05
starwindnice, it worked. :)02:11
starwindthanks02:11
starwindkinda weird, when it launched it duplicated all the pages I had opened in firefox 3.0.x02:12
micahgit probably copied the session from 3.002:14
starwindah yeah that's right02:14
starwindthanks for the help again micahg, ubottu02:32
PhyluHi, i have a problem with firefox-3.510:22
PhyluMicah told me to look for help here10:23
PhyluApport doesn't retrace this bug properly: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/39997910:25
ubottuError: This bug is private10:25
EruditeHermitfta: hey11:29
gnomefreakdo you have to have a phone line to have dsl/cable?11:34
* gnomefreak hopes i can push my changes11:36
gnomefreakasac: you said there was no translations for 3.5 in Karmic?11:38
asacgnomefreak: thats true12:12
gnomefreakasac: translations just opened for Karmic12:13
asacthx12:13
gnomefreakwhy the hell cant i remove files from a bug we own12:13
gnomefreakasac: np12:13
eagles0513875morning guys12:15
asacgnomefreak: problably LP bug12:16
asaclol12:16
ftaFIREFOX_3_5_1_RELEASE12:17
gnomefreaki was told to file bug against Lp i was just hoping that own of bug could do it :) apport really should do it like it does when it marks a dup.12:17
ftaTHUNDERBIRD_3_0b3_RELEASE12:17
asacack12:17
asacthat one is nice12:18
ftai'm out for a while12:19
asacenjoy the sun ;)12:20
eagles0513875im enjoying alot of swearing right now12:20
sebnerasac: fta : but the sun is the biggest danger for a geek O_o12:20
eagles0513875i have no idea whats up with the internet on my dads win machine12:21
eagles0513875sebner: why is that12:21
sebnereagles0513875: it's win :O12:21
eagles0513875ya sebner dad is win user and i am just for gaming12:23
eagles0513875i have a box upstairs running linux and im in the process of upgrading it to jaunty or clean install and possible upgrade to karmic12:24
sebner\o/12:24
eagles0513875brb gonna check on it agin12:25
eagles0513875lol12:25
* gnomefreak know why you are having trouble with net on dads box ;)12:26
eagles0513875gnomefreak: no need to say it i know it as well lol12:27
gnomefreak:)12:27
gnomefreakasac: where do i find the file that shlibs:Depends looks in?12:28
kaushalhi12:28
gnomefreaki would perfer not to add libstdc++6 in contol unless i have to (and yes this will be the final bug i fix for sunbird/lightning12:29
gnomefreakkaushal: hi12:29
kaushalI have installed firefox-3.5 on hardy. Does that mean it gets installed as a separate application?12:29
* gnomefreak *really* needs coffee12:29
gnomefreakkaushal: should12:29
kaushalIt got installed as Minefield 3.5 Firefox12:30
gnomefreakkaushal: `where dod you get it from?12:30
gnomefreakkaushal: its shiroko not minefield but either way its final :)12:30
gnomefreaks/dod/did12:30
eagles0513875!upgrade12:31
ubottuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading12:31
kaushalShiretoko/3.5.1pre12:31
kaushalis that correct version ?12:31
kaushalhttps://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+question/7592312:32
kaushalam i doing it correct ?12:33
gnomefreakkaushal: well 3.5.1 is now final. using upstreams build uses same profile as i recall.12:33
gnomefreakkaushal: i dont see instructions on the 2 sites for upgrading firefox12:34
kaushalgnomefreak: i did followed that link12:34
kaushalbut i dont see 3.5.1 :(12:34
gnomefreakhttps://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+question/75923 is right12:34
gnomefreakkaushal: apt-cache policy firefox-3.512:35
gnomefreakkaushal: kind of concerned about people using daily builds since they are not builds that will work all the time, but to each his own12:35
kaushalhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/219696/12:36
gnomefreakkaushal: you have the right one for now12:38
kaushalThanks gnomefreak12:39
gnomefreakkaushal: 3.5.1 was just made final so it will be later today/tomorrow before its final in our repos and yes they will use separate profiles12:39
gnomefreaki really dont like people using those instructions but they are pretty much from us12:40
kaushalgnomefreak: so will i be notified ?12:41
gnomefreakkaushal: yes using daily repo it will upgrade everyday unless build fails12:42
gnomefreakkaushal: just have to do updates :)12:42
gnomefreakim not seeing shlibs.local or any other file with shlibs12:42
gnomefreakin build area atleast12:43
kaushalso will i be notified in update manager12:43
kaushal?12:43
kaushalor do i have to run it manually12:43
kaushal?12:43
asacgnomefreak: shlibs file is generated during build12:43
asacyou almost certainly dont want to do something with that12:44
asacwhats the prob?12:44
asacnot enough depends?12:44
gnomefreakasac: the libstdc++6 for lightning dep. i didnt want to add it to depends line in control if i could avoid it12:48
gnomefreakasac: sunbird gets it right from shlibs12:48
asacgnomefreak: you mean libstdc++5?12:48
gnomefreakno 6 is needed for 0.912:48
asacyes. but thats almost certainly included in the depends12:49
asacgnomefreak: are you referring to some specific bug i commented on already?12:49
gnomefreakasac: than why does apt not install it for lightning12:49
gnomefreakasac: yes just cant recall # let me look for it12:49
asacgnomefreak: that bug is bogus. and i commented on it12:49
asacgnomefreak: i am 1000% sure that you have libstdc++6 installed12:49
asacbecause all ubuntu systems have that12:49
asacthis guy claimed that we need libstdc++512:50
asacbut he was wrong ... i commented why12:50
gnomefreaklightning12:51
gnomefreak |Suggests: gcc12:51
gnomefreak  Suggests: g++12:51
gnomefreak  Suggests: autoconf12:51
gnomefreak  Suggests: automake1.412:51
gnomefreakasac: 6 or 5 is not installed by default as i recall12:52
asac5 isnt12:52
asacand we dont need 512:52
asacthats why this is not a bug at all12:52
gnomefreak6 isnt is it?12:53
* gnomefreak not sure how to find out other than rdepends let me see if i can find out12:54
gnomefreakits installed for ff3 it seems well at the very least12:55
gnomefreakthan why isnt it installed with lightning why do people have to install it by hand12:55
gnomefreaksunbird lists it as a depends12:59
gnomefreaki cant find the bug but i remember commenting on it maybe last week or so13:02
asacgnomefreak: right and i answered because the bug was flawed13:02
asaci am sure the user had the upstream lightning extension installed in his profile13:03
asac(which requires libstdc++5)13:03
gnomefreakoh13:03
asacprofile extensions always hide system extensions13:03
asaceven if version is lower13:03
gnomefreakright13:03
asacgnomefreak: understood?13:03
asac;)13:03
gnomefreak:) of course just remembering a few bugs about this but seems i cant find any of them13:04
asacso remember: all mozilla upstream builds from the rotten old 1.8 branch (tbird 2/ffox 2, sunbird/lighting (current)) use the bloody old stdc++5 lib13:04
PhyluHi, i have a problem with firefox-3.5 on ubuntu 64 bit. It crashes everytime i start it, but the apport bug retrace fails: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/39997913:04
ubottuUbuntu bug 399979 in firefox-3.5 "firefox-3.5 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_ref()" [Undecided,Invalid]13:04
asacgnomefreak: yeah. if you get a similar claim in future, just tell them that they have upstream .xpi installed in their profile.13:04
eagles0513875well seems like i borked my install but that doesnt suprise me at all13:04
gnomefreakok good than when he tests the icons i can push to bzr than its your turn :)13:04
asacPhylu: did you try to start it from a terminal?13:04
asacPhylu: what output do you see?13:04
Phyluyes segmentation error (core dumped)13:05
blind|melon|chitFirefox 3.5 and the Java plugin are not working well together on my system :< Applets running in the browser corrupt the entire X display after a few moments and require a restart13:05
blind|melon|chitSame plugin works with the default packaged version of Firefox though13:05
gnomefreaknormall apport fails on retrace due to flash or extensions but can fail on other things like from any PPA'a13:05
gnomefreaks/normall/normally13:06
gnomefreakPhylu: try --safe-mode iuf that fails rename profile and see if you can reproduce it13:06
asacPhylu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs?action=show&redirect=DebuggingFirefox#Run%20Firefox%20in%20a%20Debugger13:07
Phyluok13:07
asacPhylu: use xulrunner-1.9.1 instead of 1.9 and firefox-3.5 instead of 3.013:07
asacPhylu: oh and dont use -dbgsym for xulrunner and firefox, instead use -dbg13:08
* asac takes a mental note that the debugging page is a mess13:08
Phyluin safe mode and without a profile there is nevertheless the Segmentation fault (core dumped)13:09
PhyluI will try to debug it correctly13:09
asacPhylu: yeah. get a backtrace like on the page13:10
* asac updates it for firefox 3.513:10
asacPhylu: ok added "firefox 3.5 section" on top13:11
Phylulibnss3-1d-dbgsym this package is not available there is only the  -dbg13:13
Phylupackage there13:13
asacPhylu: thanks. updating the wiki13:13
asacwasnt sure we readded nss as well13:13
asacPhylu: oh. also nspr4-dbg?13:13
asacoh thats alread on the wiki13:13
asacok13:13
PhyluWell i will come back if it don't work13:14
Phylubye13:14
asac!info libnss3-1d hardy13:17
ubottulibnss3-1d (source: nss): Network Security Service libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 3.12.0.3-0ubuntu0.8.04.5 (hardy), package size 993 kB, installed size 2600 kB13:17
gnomefreakasac: didnt we stop building -dbg?13:18
asacno we started doing that again13:18
gnomefreakonce we decide on the repo for stable releases or safer than i can work on it. only 1 1/2 weeks till next surgery and ill be out maybe a week13:19
asacwell. at least for all the new branches13:19
asacffox 3.5 and later13:19
gnomefreakasac: for hardy and intrepid?13:19
gnomefreakoh nevermind13:19
gnomefreakasac: dont forget about seamonkey 1 update. its done and tested. ill have sunbird ready in a few days once i get a confirm that its fixed (the versioning sucks but i dont see an issue going from ubuntu2 to ubuntu613:21
gnomefreaki wasnt seeing the icon bug so waiting for him to say its fixed13:22
gnomefreakyay tbird-3b3 is fixed :)13:22
gnomefreaki see senders again13:23
asacgnomefreak: what are you waiting a confirm for on sunbird?13:23
gnomefreakasac: the icon res. bug.13:23
asacoh ok. icon bug13:23
asacok let me know. sm is on my list13:23
gnomefreakhe wanted to use 128x128 instead of 50x5013:23
asacwill do it asap13:23
gnomefreakasac: cool thanks13:24
asacgnomefreak: for what?13:24
gnomefreakasac: give me a few bug 39940013:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 399400 in lightning-sunbird "Sunbird does not use highest resolution icon" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39940013:25
gnomefreakYes libstdc++5 fixed the problem13:25
gnomefreakyep it was upstream version :)13:26
asaclibstdc++5 fixed the problem?13:26
asacuninstalling upstream addon would have been the right solution13:26
asac;)13:26
asacanyway. good that its gone now13:26
* gnomefreak going to get a new nvidia card later :)13:33
gnomefreaki won 1 arguement. thats doing great for >5 years of argueing with her13:33
asaclol13:37
asacthe argument was crushing it to gain the final victory?13:37
gnomefreakyep :)13:41
eagles0513875hey gnomefreak has 4.2.2 been pushed to intrepid backports?13:48
gnomefreakeagles0513875: 4.2.2?13:49
eagles0513875ya kde 4.2.213:49
eagles0513875im seeing updates on intrepid for 4.2.2 if im not mistaken13:49
gnomefreakeagles0513875: hell i dont know. somehow i doubt it would be released for stable ubuntu releases13:49
eagles0513875like im currently downloading kdepimlibs 4.2.2 and others13:49
eagles0513875this is interesting13:50
gnomefreakok maybe it was but that is a huge package to backport13:50
gnomefreakmost of time we dont upgrade DE for stable ubuntu releases. that is insane to do13:50
gnomefreakeagles0513875: #kubuntu-devel would be better to answer that13:51
eagles0513875hehe i know but im banned from it13:51
gnomefreak!kde intrepid13:51
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about kde intrepid13:51
gnomefreak!info kdebase intrepid13:51
ubottukdebase (source: kdebase): base applications from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid2 (intrepid), package size 67 kB, installed size 180 kB13:52
gnomefreakeagles0513875: i really really doubt it see above13:52
gnomefreak!find kde13:52
ubottuFound: akonadi-kde, desktop-effects-kde, edubuntu-desktop-kde, gdebi-kde, gettext-kde (and 597 others)13:52
asaceagles0513875: backports has really no direction. you have to ask the one who vouched for that backport13:52
asacthere should be a bug for all backports13:52
asacor check the changelog owner, and ping him13:52
eagles0513875ok13:52
asacbut in public ;)13:53
gnomefreakthat is a major package so good luck13:53
asacbut i guess thats normal13:53
asacwell. if they pushed it to backports there should at least have been too confirms in a ppa ;)13:53
asaceagles0513875: why are you still on intrepid?13:54
eagles0513875i am in the process of upgrading to jaunty btw13:54
asaceagles0513875: would be great if you could enable https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa13:54
asaci need  more intrepid users there13:54
asachmm. ok13:54
asactoo bad13:54
eagles0513875just got back to usa yesterday and havent had a chance to upgrade13:54
asacanyway for jaunty too ;)13:54
eagles0513875will add after the upgrade :)13:54
asaceagles0513875: you get the security updates a few days earlier13:55
eagles0513875havent touched this linux box since december thats why its still on intrepid13:55
asacif there is any breakage let us know instantly13:55
eagles0513875hehe13:55
asacusually there is no breakage13:55
gnomefreakim asking in #kubuntu-devel13:55
eagles0513875ok gnomefreak thanks13:55
asacbut even if suddenly things behave differently its important13:55
eagles0513875today im hoping to get some programming books and hit the deck running with c++ and python as well13:55
asaclike some images looking weird, some sites stopped working after that upgrade that worked before13:55
eagles0513875maybe then i can actually contribute something to the community13:55
dpmasac: hi. I haven't been following this closely, so excuse me if this is an obvious question, but is there an approximate date when 3.5 will hit main so its translations are available in Launchpad?. I'd like to tell Ubuntu translators about this13:55
asace.g. any regression even if it seems to be minor is reall yimportant13:55
gnomefreak!info kdebase jaunty13:55
ubottukdebase (source: kdebase): base applications from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu4 (jaunty), package size 69 kB, installed size 180 kB13:55
gnomefreakeagles0513875: upgrade to jaunty :)13:56
eagles0513875ok i am13:56
* gnomefreak still waiting for an answer13:56
eagles0513875strange how its in backports though13:56
asacdpm: right. so translations for karmic opened just yesterday. we will move it to main right after alpha3 is out13:56
gnomefreakit is?13:56
eagles0513875ill let ya know after i finish updating13:56
gnomefreakit says its in main13:56
asacdpm: and i will open the translations for all during development cycle13:56
gnomefreakmain, is optional. Version 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu413:57
asacbut i cant guarantee what happens with them for release13:57
eagles0513875gotcha gnomefreak13:57
asacdpm: we certainly have to get verifications on _new_ translations. for those disagreeing with upstream we definitly need to develop tools to provide patches13:57
eagles0513875can i run the update-notifier-kde -u command from the command line cuz on the site it says hit alt+f2 is that necessary though13:57
asacdpm: not sure if you could be working on that a bit. i have the feeling that i dont have the time to follow through this properly.13:58
gnomefreakeagles0513875: kdebase isnt what you want but its right version and if its in main you can bet the main package is13:58
asac(the patches)13:58
gnomefreakeagles0513875: command line should be fine13:58
gnomefreakif not install update-manager-kde and try13:58
eagles0513875ok thanks gnomefreak cuz im sshed into the box right now kinda lazy to get up and walk up some stairs back to my room lol13:58
asacdpm: i have to check with gandi about a few things about the upstream tree. but after that i can probably give concrete instructions how to do that13:58
gnomefreaki think -c is assumed now for all update-manager13:59
* gnomefreak not sure how the kde version works. i dont use this name because i like garden gnomes13:59
eagles0513875gnomefreak: then the site isnt accurate it says to run update-notifier-kde -u when upgrading from 8.10 to 9.0414:00
* gnomefreak wonders why notifier14:01
gnomefreakeagles0513875: maybe it is different (i dont use that bloated, slow, ugly DE but thats just me :)14:01
dpmasac: ok, thanks a lot for the info. Yes, we have to talk about what happens after the release with translations. Right now I was just interested in knowing when they will be imported.14:03
dpmbut you've answered that14:03
eagles0513875gnomefreak: from the version in intrepid to whats in jaunty and karmic kde is getting th ebloat removed form it14:04
eagles0513875sry to bother ya what would be the command line command to do an upgrade from one release to another14:09
* gnomefreak really needs to stop buying video cards when mine goes to legacy drivers14:10
asaceagles0513875: update-manager -d14:10
gnomefreakeagles0513875: than maybe ill try it one of these days14:10
eagles0513875heheh gnomefreak14:10
eagles0513875gnomefreak: i think you would fall in love with kde14:10
eagles0513875ty asac14:11
asacactually update manager should alreawdy suggest you to upgrade14:11
asactry just update-manager14:11
gnomefreakasac: kde uses update-manager-kde and i remember people having to use adept (still thinks removing that would be best14:11
asacthere should be a notification "you can upgrade to 9.04 now"14:11
asacoh its kde14:11
asacwell14:11
eagles0513875lol14:11
eagles0513875im on my box via ssh14:11
asaci think google will help easily enough14:11
gnomefreakim not getting an answer in -devel about version14:11
gnomefreakdeepdyve14:12
gnomefreakor is it darkdyve14:12
asachttp://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading14:12
eagles0513875its still super early though gnomefreak if alot of devs in usa its 815am cet etc14:12
asacthat what google gave me14:12
gnomefreaki go with deep14:12
asacthere is kubuntu section14:12
eagles0513875even !upgrade will give you that asac14:12
asacwhy do you ask then?14:12
gnomefreakits 9"12 here14:12
eagles0513875im connected to my box via ssh and it keeps complaining about x stuff14:12
asacvia ssh you should upgrade to latest -updates and -security14:13
gnomefreakeagles0513875: thats how gnome does it14:13
asacthen flip sources.list to jaunty14:13
asacand apt-get update/dist-upgrade14:13
asacbut no update-manager tweakes get installed14:13
asac15:13 -!- eagles0513875 [n=eagles05@unaffiliated/eagles0513875] has quit ["When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion.  KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net"]14:13
asac15:13 < gnomefreak> eagles0513875: thats how gnome does it14:13
asac15:13 < asac> then flip sources.list to jaunty14:13
asac15:13 < asac> and apt-get update/dist-upgrade14:13
asac15:13 -!- eagles0513875 [n=eagles05@unaffiliated/eagles0513875] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam14:14
gnomefreakasac: mvo and others frown on that way but thats due to update-manager fixing problems for you like disabling PPA and crap14:14
asacright you wont get update-manager magic14:14
asacso if your system uses network-manager you will indeed wnat to use update-manager ;)14:14
asacthere is one magic that will help you keeping network up14:14
* gnomefreak not sure mvo added the -d yet but by now should have14:14
eagles0513875wont i break stuff that way14:14
eagles0513875asac = cet14:14
asacothrewise it will go down when hal gets trashed during upgrade14:14
asaccant tell then14:15
gnomefreakeagles0513875: i know enough about a system to not break it but it happens to me alot lately and im not trying to break it yet14:15
eagles0513875and i dont wanna either14:15
eagles0513875i just reinstalled intrepid14:15
eagles0513875but if i need to get my lazy ass up there i will then14:15
gnomefreakdist-upgrade for karmic will break that i can promise14:16
eagles0513875hehe14:16
eagles0513875didnt for me on a clean install of jaunty14:16
gnomefreakupstart is broken (depends most likely)14:16
asacdist-upgrade to karmic shouldnt be much different to update-manager for now14:17
asaci think mvo adds most tweaks before the release14:17
asacand not for alphas14:17
gnomefreakriddel said no updates for stable system at least not a whole DE14:17
gnomefreakdist-upgrade will try to install upstart and you really dont want to do that yet at least not yesterday14:18
gnomefreakit removes key items (at least i think they are important)14:18
gnomefreakit removes startup-tasks system-services upstart-compat-sysv upstart-logd14:19
gnomefreakhowever i think they made upstart optional or will for some archs at least14:20
eagles0513875ill be back i gotta take my lazy rump upstairs14:21
gnomefreakthey should really stop holding back packages just because of added deps14:21
gnomefreakgnome* being the ones at this time14:22
* gnomefreak in too many damn channels14:25
eagles0513875gnomefreak:  just checked on my install after reboot and its 4.2.2 now that intrepid is on somehow kde 4.2.2 got back ported to intrepid14:26
gnomefreakasac: you work on gwibber right?14:26
asacin an out14:27
gnomefreakit uses 2 icons in status bar and none on the lower panel14:27
asaci jump in if i see something going bad or getting a specific backtrace you see on the console14:27
asacgnomefreak: the one icon you see isnt gwibber14:28
asacgnomefreak: its the indicator-applet14:28
asacthats basically the place where all apps should publish their notifications14:28
asace.g. irc/im/mail14:28
asacthe idea is that the apps stop blinking on their own14:28
asacetc.14:28
asacalso its the answer to the removal of actions ... which had some valid uses, which now are served by the indicator14:29
gnomefreakasac: ah ok can i remove it without removing the whole status area?14:29
asacgnomefreak: it should be an applet14:29
asacgnomefreak: buts a central piece of ubuntu user experience ;)14:29
asacyou can remove all applets from bar14:29
gnomefreakbut that would remove date and time and other things i want right?14:30
asacgnomefreak: its not a tray icon. remove the "letter" thing14:33
asacalternatively you might be able to disable the tray in gwibber14:33
* asac creating ooo diff.gz ... fun14:35
asacwonder how long that will take14:35
asacits already running for ages14:35
gnomefreakooo takes forever to build or anything else really14:35
asacyeah. thats why i push it to ppa ;)14:36
asacbuilders seem to be a bit idle atm14:36
eagles0513875lol asac what kinda proc you got if you dont mind me askin14:36
eagles0513875asac: i would never guess that they would be idle lol14:36
gnomefreakok what the hell does this mean :( grub install devices and lists both my hard drives what do i do check one both or none14:36
asactoo slow14:36
asacits really outdated14:36
eagles0513875same with my desktop upstairs its an old school amd athlon 64 320014:37
asaci dont even know the exact model name ... so its really old ;)14:37
eagles0513875hehe14:37
asacits at least a duo something14:37
eagles0513875core 2 duo14:37
eagles0513875or core duo14:37
eagles0513875asac: why not add the -j2 to use both cores then14:37
asaci always wanted to get a k7 (or whatever that is) with loads of ram. but never got to it14:37
asac-j3 is better14:38
eagles0513875whats the difference between -j2 and -j314:38
asacbut its not so important. i usually dont do full builds locally; i develop in upstream tree or fix patches14:38
eagles0513875gotcha14:38
asacand upstream tree is only incremental build in most cases14:38
eagles0513875and you have the new intel i7s which take up to 24gb of ram which is over kill then the 8 core intel xenon nehalem-ex procs with 16 cores 8 physical 8 virtual up to 32tb14:39
gnomefreakok fixed taskbar but the try icon i left no changes for the letter looking icon maybe removing it will keep it that way14:39
asacgnomefreak: the letter looking icon you can remove ... its a panel thing.14:40
asacgnomefreak: you can also move it somewhere else14:40
gnomefreaki removed it from panel i just hope it stays that way. testing now14:41
gnomefreakthanks it worked :)14:41
asacgnomefreak: why dont oyu like it?14:42
gnomefreakits annoying to see 2 icons for one app and its whilte and hard to see on a white panel i can see it enough to annoy me rather than know what shape it is14:43
gnomefreakok this grub update problem i really need help with14:43
gnomefreakgrub changes by mvo as i recall in karmic changes mail14:44
gnomefreakGRUB install devices: and lists both hard drives what do i chose?14:44
gnomefreakasac: where do i find settings for debconf priority? /usr/bin/debconf for priority is too cryptic14:57
gnomefreak/usr/share/debconf also not helpful14:58
gnomefreaksorry i mean /usr/share/debconf/debconf.conf14:58
asacman debconf?15:00
gnomefreaki guess maybe --priority=value?15:01
gnomefreakits too late to know since it already asked and he thinks its due to level being set to medium  high should not ask you15:02
asacgnomefreak: i didnt understand your question15:03
gnomefreakok so i lied before i can break a system :)15:03
asacif you want to change the priority it asks for use dpkg-reconfigure15:04
gnomefreakhmmm15:04
gnomefreakit looks like it was set to high15:06
gnomefreak:09:49:06:. >>             mvo << gnomefreak: it should not ask on the default  debconf level (high) :)15:07
gnomefreakbut it was set to high. im asking him just waiting for an answer15:07
gnomefreakeither that or move it to critical but im thinking wont help too much15:07
gnomefreakmy thomometer says its 105F outside and its only 10am high should be ~80F for today, high is normally here around 4pm15:10
fta2asac, just helped a friend running hardy, flash is a mess there15:18
asacin which sense?15:19
eagles0513875update manager isnt working for me on intrepid15:19
fta2asac, he had gnash (flash 8), adobe-flash-*, and flash-nonfree 10 (trying to dl flash 9 non longer available)15:19
asacyeah its best to only have one15:20
fta2plus a flash9 in its ~/.moz/plugins15:20
asacand there is no plugin switcher available in hardy afaik15:20
asacyeah thats really bogus15:20
asaci am not sure why mozilla hasnt blacklisted flash 9 yet15:20
asaci think it really breaks ffox completely15:20
fta2so i dropped the local install, gnash and flash-nonfree, now it's fine15:21
fta2i'm surprised that flash-nonfree v10 is trying to get flash 915:21
eagles0513875gnash i never got to work for me15:21
asacfta2: did you check that he has the right repos for adobe-flash?15:21
asacflash is really a big security target, so better have them (or use nonfree)15:21
fta2it's fine now, just wanted to tell you it was a mess15:22
eagles0513875i always use nonfree or what ever is in kubuntu-restricted-extras15:22
asacso there is a small "Block" card thing on top of flash files. is that adblock?15:24
asaci guess i should check that out15:24
* gnomefreak goes to get ready to leave. ill be back after i get card in box15:26
Phyluasac?15:47
Phyluthere is a problem with debugging15:48
Phylugdb crashes when i try to debug ff with it15:48
asachow do you run gdb?15:49
asacfirefox -g?15:49
asacor what did i state on the wiki?15:49
asacPhylu: try firefox -g in first step instead15:49
Phyluok15:53
Phyluand it should be gdb /usr/lib/firefox-3*/firefox-3.5 2>&1 | tee /tmp/gdb-firefox.txt15:53
asacfirefox -g ...15:54
asacthats what i said ;)15:54
Phyludoesn't work you have to use run -g in the next step15:55
Phyluin this line there is the 3.5 missing15:55
asacno15:55
asaci say ruN.15:56
asacfirefox -g 2>&1 | tee /tmp/gdb-firefox.txt15:56
asacerr15:56
asacfirefox-3.5 -g 2>&1 | tee /tmp/gdb-firefox.txt15:56
asacdont run the /usr/lib/thing15:56
asacand dont add gdb15:56
sebnerasac already on debugging ff again ^^15:56
asacexplaining how to try to get a backtrace15:57
asacisnt really debuggin15:57
asacmore the requirement for starting ;)15:57
sebnerasac: if you are trying to get a backtrace I'd say you are hunting down a bug -> debugging :P15:57
Phyluok, i think i got it ;-)15:59
PhyluHere it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/40027216:08
ubottuUbuntu bug 400272 in firefox-3.5 "firefox-3.5 crashes directly after starting" [Undecided,New]16:08
asacPhylu: its  from /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libglobalmenu-gnome.so16:09
asacremove the globalmenu16:09
asac(or disbale it)16:09
asacplease also report it upstream as they seem to have added a workaround for ffox at some point16:10
asacthey need to adjustg that for 3.5 most likely16:10
asacis there a package for libgnomemenu?16:11
asacerr globalmenu ;)16:11
asacor is that from outside?16:11
Phylufrom a ppa i think16:12
PhyluThanks for your help. I will post it in their bug tracking system16:15
asacPhylu: please link them to the ubuntu bug and vv16:17
asacthanks16:17
asacotherwise we must close the ubuntu bug16:17
asac:)16:17
Phyluvv?16:19
Phylu Phylu: please link them to the ubuntu bug and vv <- What do you mean with vv?16:25
Phyluasac?16:28
asacvice versa16:55
asacboth bugs should have the reference of its counterpart16:55
Phyluok16:58
asacmt owns the builders again ;)17:39
asacnow even with openoffice17:39
asachttps://edge.launchpad.net/builders17:39
asaci wonder how much they hate us already ;)17:39
asachave you ever got a complained from someone ;) about that fta2 ?17:39
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fta2no17:52
asacarmin76: do you have any patches to make sparc 1.9.1 work? i saw that we have build failures for that ;)17:58
living_room_tvanyone know how to change the height of the bookmark toolbar using ubuntu firefox v3.011?18:38
asacliving_room_tv: you need to use css i am sure18:39
asacbut i dont have time to look it up18:39
asacits in userChrome.rdf i woujld think18:39
asacerr css18:39
asachttp://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html18:40
asacliving_room_tv: check that out18:40
asacther eis even an example where they hide the toolbar bookmark item icon?18:40
asacnot sure18:41
asaci am not really robust in css without looking up the tweaks18:41
living_room_tvthanks, i will check it out18:42
asacnp18:43
pace_t_zulufta: ping19:15
fta?19:15
ftaasac, http://viewcvs.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/net-libs/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.1.ebuild?view=markup19:16
pace_t_zulufta: you mentioned yesterday that it was possible to produce a libskia.so ... i've been unable to identify the --enable flag you were talking about19:17
ftascons doesn't work like autoconf, it's not --enable-xx19:18
pace_t_zulufta: i don't think skia uses scons... perhaps just it's deployment in chromium does?19:19
pace_t_zulufta: i just see a Makefile19:20
pace_t_zulufta: forgive me if i'm missing something obvious...19:21
pace_t_zulufta: i certainly defer to your experience with the chromium codebase19:21
eagles0513875hey guys19:23
ftapace_t_zulu, i'm looking at skia inside the chromium tree, hold on19:25
ftahmm, indeed, no scons/gyp there19:27
ftaso yes, no shared lib in this Makefile / configure19:28
asacfta: does chromium lnk it statically?19:30
ftaby default yes, but you can build chromium with shared libs too19:34
ftai have a pref in my package19:34
pace_t_zulufta: thanks for looking into that... i thought perhaps i was missing something very obvious19:39
pace_t_zulufta: you're not using the green tree revision in the chromium-v8 package... are you? i don't see it in the debian/rules19:44
ftano, i don't think there is one19:45
pace_t_zulufta: sorry i was refering to the v8 revision referred to in src/DEPS in the chromium source... i realize the green tree revision only refers to the chromium revision number (which would naturally affect the v8 revision refered to in src/DEPS)19:50
pace_t_zulufta: so for the chromium-v8 packaging you won't concern it with the revision that chromium-browser is using?20:00
ftamy v8 package is old, last time i touched it, chromium was still in its infancy. if i were to do it now, i would do things differently20:06
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EruditeHermitfta, asac: hey20:09
ftaEruditeHermit, hi20:17
EruditeHermitfta: my contact said that I made a very convincing argument for GLSL20:18
EruditeHermitand that its something that they are considering doing now20:18
ftagood20:18
asacdo they say such thing in the bug?20:19
asacor only private?20:19
asacheh great. all ooo builds failed ;)20:19
asacoccupied hours of builders ;)20:20
asacfor nothing20:20
asacunfortunately it really fails in the plugin code20:21
asacthats not nice20:21
asacIn file included from ../inc/plugin/unx/plugcon.hxx:105, from ../inc/plugin/unx/sysplug.hxx:35, from ../inc/plugin/impl.hxx:85, from /build/buildd/openoffice.org-3.1.0/ooo-build/build/OOO310_m11/extensions/source/plugin/base/service.cxx:38:20:21
asac/usr/include/xulrunner-1.9.1/stable/npapi.h:155: error: redefinition of 'struct _NPP'20:21
asaci already see major pain coming ;)20:22
asacwell not major, but something i would like to push away20:22
asachmmm ... maybe chris should care for that ;)20:22
* asac is running *gwibber* 2 ;)20:22
ftaasac, another branch?20:23
asacyeah20:23
asacthe service-split-branch20:23
asacbut we now decided to merge it into trunk20:23
asacafter doing the 1.2 branch cutoff20:23
asacthere was substantial refactoring ongoing20:24
asacits now a dbus daemon20:24
asacand a UI20:24
asachttp://people.canonical.com/~asac//tmp/Screenshot-Gwibber-2.png20:25
asacso they now redirect my people.ubuntu.com to people.canonical.com20:26
EruditeHermitit was an email to me20:26
EruditeHermithe told me to post what I wrote in the discuss so that others on the team could see it20:26
asacok. first we wait for what upstream responds anyway20:26
EruditeHermitwell should I post a new thread?20:27
asacwhy?20:27
asaclets wait for now20:28
asacor maybe i dont understand your question20:29
EruditeHermitwell my guy said I should post my thoughts to the discuss20:30
EruditeHermitso that others could see it20:30
EruditeHermitbut if you want me to wait and not post on your thread or not post anywhere, I will wait20:30
EruditeHermitcan you link me to your thread again?20:31
EruditeHermitI lost it20:31
ftauh?? dh_install -pthunderbird-3.020:33
ftacp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/lib/thunderbird-3.0b3pre/components/libdbusservice.so': No such file or directory20:33
ftaremoved?20:33
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pace_t_zulufta: you mentioned that you'd do things differently with v8 right now... what would you do differently?20:41
ftapace_t_zulu, i meant i know far more about chromium now.20:56
pace_t_zulufta: is there anything you know that i should keep in mind when trying to package skia?20:56
ftapace_t_zulu, asac: btw, i don't think it's a good idea to start with v8 and skia, i would be far better to start with the other deps we already have20:56
ftaimho webkit, skia and v8 should be the last parts20:57
ftathe reason is that those are still moving targets, while there are a dozen of other libs that are stable21:00
ftathe infra to use system libs in chromium is not there at all, so better start with the easiest, i.e. stable libs21:00
fta(fight on 1 front instead of several)21:01
asacany suggestions? ;)21:04
asaclike ffmpeg-mt ;)21:04
asacskia didnt really look like it was moving that fast21:04
asacthough the commits could be intrusive of course21:04
pace_t_zulufta: webkit should definitely be the last one...21:11
reed_asac / fta: you all are getting 3.5.1 ready, right?21:12
asacyes21:12
pace_t_zuluhopefully the chromium team can push any enhancements to webkit back upstream21:12
* asac looks if builders have finished21:12
reed_k21:12
asacfor xulrunner the final ones are on CPU right now21:14
asacfor firefox there are two archs waiting (i guess 1h) ... the build is really quick though21:14
pace_t_zuluasac: is there a link to watch the progress on that?21:15
asachttps://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa21:16
asacpace_t_zulu: thats what you should enable anyway21:16
asaci helps us catch regressions21:16
asacand is staging ... so what is there is still "beta" ;) ... but only security/stability updates21:16
asacpace_t_zulu: you could for instance test the firefox-3.5 builds now ;)21:17
asac(with xulrunner-1.9.1)21:17
pace_t_zuluasac: thanks i was using ~ubuntu-mozilla-daily ...21:17
asacok21:17
asacpace_t_zulu: well. you can still enable -security21:17
asaci think today -security is ahead21:18
asacuntil release usually21:18
pace_t_zuluasac: thanks... daily is on 3.5.1pre right now21:19
EruditeHermitfta: can you link me to your o3d discuss thread?21:20
asacpace_t_zulu: right. -security is ahead21:20
asacpace_t_zulu: if you could enable and run it i would apprecite it21:21
asacif you run -dailies hen the risk is even lower and you will automatically go back when dailies move on :)21:21
asacthanks!21:21
pace_t_zuluasac: gladly... i want to contribute in any way possible... i'd rather identify problems before a release than complain about them after :)21:22
asaccool21:28
asacgandi: so i am looking at http://hg.mozilla.org/l10n-central/de/ and i wonder how the langpacks are produced from that?21:30
pace_t_zulufta and asac: when i try run $ bzr builddeb --merge --dont-purge --builder='dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b'21:30
asace.g. how are the chrome.manifests generated21:30
asacetc.21:30
pace_t_zului get the following error message: bzr builddeb --merge --dont-purge --builder='dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b'21:30
pace_t_zuluoops21:30
pace_t_zuluhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/220046/21:30
gandiasac: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Creating_a_Language_Pack21:30
gandido you need assistance or just such source of data? :)21:31
pace_t_zulufor chromium-v8 that is... but i get similar results with chromium-browser and skia21:31
asacgandi: yes21:31
asacgandi: i need assistance. i want to understand if there is a strict directory layout21:31
gandiasac: yes21:31
asacand if so, how that maps to the chrome.manifest entries you generate in de.manifest for instance21:32
gandithe one you see in ./de example is pretty strict21:32
gandimanifest files are generated during make langpack21:32
asacso langpacks have different layouts?21:32
gandiasac: the result .jar packages have different layout than source21:32
asacthats ok (or not). but all langpacks in the hg have the same layout?21:33
gandiwe process through jar.mn files which translate paths21:33
gandiin hg we don't store langpacks21:33
asacis that in the l10n tree?21:33
asachttp://hg.mozilla.org/l10n-central/de/21:33
asacthats unrelated?21:33
gandithis is what we call "source structure"21:33
gandifrom this we generate langpacks21:33
asacright. i need to understand the source structure21:33
gandiok21:34
gandiso we store localizations in this source structure21:34
gandiand each locale has exactly the same structure21:34
gandiwhich corresponds to modules in mozilla-central tree21:34
gandil10n-central/ab-CD/browser -> mozilla-central/browser/locales/en-US21:34
gandil10n-central/ab-CD/dom -> mozilla-central/dom/locales/en-US21:35
gandietc.21:35
asacok thats what i understood21:35
gandiduring make21:35
gandiwe follow this: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/b0a681cd9df5/browser/locales/jar.mn21:35
gandiand other jar.mn files21:35
asacbut there where things that looked odd when i looked last time21:35
asaclet me check21:35
gandiwhich process source structure into result (langpack or xpi) structure21:35
asacso you look for all jar.mn files in the real source tree21:35
asacand then the directory structure is always locale/+$path_in_l10n_hg_source21:36
asaclet me check if that could be it21:36
asacso i have ./toolkit/chrome/mozapps/xpinstall/xpinstallConfirm.properties21:38
asacfor instance21:38
asacthats in the translation source21:38
asacand in mozilla-central/toolkit/mozapps/xpinstall/jar.mn21:38
asac  locale/@AB_CD@/mozapps/xpinstall/xpinstallConfirm.properties    (%chrome/mozapps/xpinstall/xpinstallConfirm.properties)21:39
asacwell thats in a different jar.mn.21:39
asacso you take exactly the right side? in that jar?21:41
asac%chrome/mozapps/xpinstall/xpinstallConfirm.properties21:41
asac./toolkit/chrome/mozapps/xpinstall/xpinstallConfirm.properties21:41
asacok with the component most likelyl named in the jar.mn21:41
asachmm.cannot confirm it... in jar.mn its "mozapps"21:42
BUGabundohey hey hey. duug gnineve21:47
BUGabundohey guys21:47
pace_t_zuluhow's it BUGabundo21:47
BUGabundojust heard TB project was halted?21:47
BUGabundois that true?21:47
pace_t_zuluTB?21:47
pace_t_zuluthunderbird?21:48
gnomefreakyes tb == thunderbird21:48
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo: halted by mozilla?21:49
ftatb is not really mozilla21:49
BUGabundohey gnomefreak21:49
gnomefreakBUGabundo: hi21:49
pace_t_zulufta: it's not?21:50
gnomefreaki broke my system with a video card21:50
BUGabundosome ppl saying its not activelly develop now21:50
asacmozillamessaging.com21:50
BUGabundoit used to keep up with FF21:50
BUGabundoand now its oldddd21:50
gnomefreaktb is not old21:50
BUGabundoasac: the other day I found a laconica for mozilla devs21:50
BUGabundoeheh21:50
pace_t_zulufta, did you see my problem ^^^21:50
asaci havent heard of anyone saying that its halted21:50
BUGabundognomefreak: old in the sense of no new versions21:50
* gnomefreak confused. mozilla still supports it and sctively works on it21:50
asacthey just created a tag for 3.0 b321:51
pace_t_zuluBUGabundo: i'm not seeing any news about it being halted21:51
gnomefreakBUGabundo: tb3 is new tb 2.0.0.22 is fairly new21:51
gnomefreakyour system does _not_ have to have more than the video card right?21:51
gnomefreakoops21:51
gnomefreakmemory for above21:51
* gnomefreak pissed i cant get up to grub with it being used21:52
pace_t_zulufta: when i try to build chromium-v8 i get the error message "bzr: ERROR: Unable to find the needed upstream tarball: chromium-v8_1.2.14~svn20090715r2463.orig.tar.gz"21:53
* gnomefreak cant think of why 64bit or 32bit matters21:53
ftapace_t_zulu, how do you build and where did you put that tarball?21:54
gnomefreakpace_t_zulu: tarball in the tarballs dirs by chance?21:54
pace_t_zulufta: bzr builddeb --merge --dont-purge --builder='dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b'21:54
gnomefreakasac: BUGabundo can anyone give me an idea on why 8400 card isnt working? its the last entry. the 5200 works fine http://pastebin.mozilla.org/66294821:54
pace_t_zuluand i've tried putting the tarball in ../ ../upstream ../tarballs as well as ./21:55
gnomefreakmaybe top level dir but im assuming one of the ../ ./ is what you mean by that21:55
ftapace_t_zulu, not the right file i guess21:56
ftayour debian/changelog should match21:56
gnomefreakfta: does chromium use ./debian/rules get-orig....21:56
BUGabundognomefreak: 8400mG working here21:56
ftagnomefreak, why not?21:56
gnomefreakBUGabundo: 5200 working here :) but new card needs to work21:56
gnomefreakfta: i dont know how you set it up21:57
ftapace_t_zulu, or use get-current-source instead, if you want the same tarball as d/changelog21:57
BUGabundonew card?21:57
pace_t_zulufta: chromium-v8_1.2.14~svn20090713r2445.orig.tar.gz and the changlog says "1.2.14~svn20090715r2463-0ubuntu1"21:57
* gnomefreak cant think that 256 mem when system has 256 would matter nor can i see 32bit or 64bit matter21:57
BUGabundo8400 is OLD21:57
BUGabundoI have it for 18 months21:57
pace_t_zulufta... i see21:58
BUGabundo310FPS on Compiz benchmark21:58
pace_t_zulufta where should the orig.tar.gz be?21:58
gnomefreakBUGabundo: 8400 i just got today. i am not spending >$100 for a video card21:58
ftapace_t_zulu, my guess is ..21:58
pace_t_zulufta: once it is packed by get-current-source21:58
BUGabundognomefreak: laptop?21:58
ftapace_t_zulu, but builddeb is also a fast moving target :P21:58
gnomefreakBUGabundo: desktop21:58
pace_t_zulufta: fast moving is mre fun... just ask BUGabundo21:59
ftapace_t_zulu, that's why i force --orig-dir=../tarballs/ in my bzr conf21:59
gnomefreaki cant get into setup or strarup menu nor grub with it being used  << that is not normal21:59
pace_t_zulufta: thanks for that tip21:59
ftahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/220064/22:00
gnomefreakim assuming everything that i do see is run by bios22:00
pace_t_zulufta: you answered before i had a chance to ask  :)22:00
ftapace_t_zulu, so most of the time, i just have to bzr bdm22:00
* gnomefreak should have thought of that22:01
gnomefreakBUGabundo: even when booting to an installer once it ssays linux debian ISo....... i get nothing after that22:01
* gnomefreak does not want to spend tomorrow on the phone with nvidia trying to figure this out22:02
gnomefreakmozilla pastebin needs a back ground or darker text22:03
BUGabundognomefreak: at least you can call them!22:03
gnomefreakBUGabundo:  i hope theres a number22:03
gnomefreakreplacing video card == almost brainless (and no jokes damnit)22:04
ftagnomefreak, chromium has a nice get-orig-source: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-browser.head/annotate/head%3A/debian/rules  :)22:04
ftalines 296 to 447 :P22:05
pace_t_zulufta: many thanks22:05
gnomefreakCHROMIUM_URL := http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src would be great to have. it looks like easy editing22:05
asacfta: is the seamonkey version 2.1 only because of the not set version URL? (which you seem to use for tbird 3.0)22:06
asacfta: in mozclient22:06
asacseems that pure comm-central checks out 1.9.1 branch which shouldnt be 2.122:06
ftai don't remember22:07
asacso i guess the version file looked at might be wrong and thats the only difference i see in tbird22:07
asacok22:07
ftathere's a hack somewhere in comm-central to get the right files22:07
* asac still thinks about how to find the right file based on a randome locale manifest in the upstream translation tree layout22:09
* gnomefreak wonders.. if i dont come back means i broke something i shouldnt have 22:09
gnomefreakasac: cant we use a less general link? as it seems its just comm-central but doesnt mention the revision link. since they are all kept in one place22:10
gnomefreakthat would make life easy to edit incase this happens22:10
* fta wonders how to produce langpacks in PPAs..22:10
asaclangpacks for what?22:10
asacfor our branches?22:10
ftalike ff 3.6, chromium22:11
gnomefreakasac: what i mean is something like lines 298-302 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-browser.head/annotate/head%3A/debian/rules22:11
asaci think 3.6 has no upstream translations22:11
asacfta: does chromium use geteext?22:12
asacor what kind of tranlsation mechanism?22:12
ftalook at /usr/lib/chromium-browser/locales/22:13
pace_t_zulufta: so get-current-source checks out r2445 even though debian/changelog specifies r246322:15
pace_t_zulufta: should i rather just modify the changelog?22:15
ftathen it's broken22:15
ftayes, if you're in a hurry22:15
pace_t_zulufta yeah it seems broken22:17
pace_t_zulubzr bdm       checked out r248822:17
gnomefreakhow the hell do you shutdown/restart22:18
gnomefreakeverything i have tells me to log out or switch users22:18
pace_t_zulufta these are the lines i get after the checkout http://paste.ubuntu.com/220071/22:18
gnomefreakmaybe new gnome-panel and friends will help22:18
ftai always create the tarball before calling bzr bdm22:19
pace_t_zulufta using "./debian/rules get-current-source" ?22:19
ftano, I run get-orig-source (as i want the freshest) and update d/changelog.22:20
ftabut i don't even know what you are trying to do22:21
asaclol22:21
pace_t_zuluyes, i'm laughing at myself too22:21
pace_t_zulujust trying to build the package22:21
pace_t_zuluso i can apply it to other packages22:22
pace_t_zului know i can get it from the ppa22:22
ftaso it's supposed to be get-current-source (but you said it's broken) then bzr bdm22:23
ftaso someone has to fix get-current-source or you have to bump changelog22:24
ftabut don't bump the branch unless there's a good reason for that22:24
asaccant you use DEBIAN_TAG/_DATE?22:24
asacinstead of curent-source?22:24
* asac thought that current-source is most likely a shortcut for DEBIAN_TAG/DATE22:25
ftai don't remember how i did that :(22:25
asacok ;)22:26
fta2008-11-16 :P22:26
ftaor even before22:26
ftawell, the code should be easy enough to read22:26
pace_t_zulufta: i think "debian/patches/enable_soname.patch" may need to be removed22:26
ftanope, it's new ;)22:27
pace_t_zuluhmm... that cause a fail22:27
ftaasac, ^^ isn't it yours?22:28
fta(i would do that in rules, it's too quick to diverge, there's the version in the context)22:29
asaci think i checked in something for the 1.2 branch and didnt commit the rules22:29
asacso changing the url to branches/1.2 should make it apply22:29
asacproblem is that soname is still not used by the build22:30
asacthey backed out something else i couldnt spot yet22:30
asacpace_t_zulu: change the url to use branches/1.2 instead of trunk22:31
asacin debian/rules22:31
asacthen run get-orig-source22:31
pace_t_zuluasac: will do22:31
pace_t_zuluasac: thanks22:31
asacand change the changelog revision according to what it spits out22:31
pace_t_zuluok22:31
pace_t_zuluasac and fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/220083/22:35
asacpace_t_zulu: yes update the branch now22:37
asacnow22:37
asacoh wait ;)22:37
asacpace_t_zulu: now update please rev 2222:38
BUGabundotoo late22:38
BUGabundo:)22:38
pace_t_zulu:)22:40
pace_t_zulunow it's building22:40
asacgood22:40
pace_t_zuluthanks guys22:40
asacdo you know scons?22:40
pace_t_zulusorry to trouble you22:40
asacsorry for the bustage22:40
asacusually i try to not break branches ;)22:40
pace_t_zuluasac: i have some experience with scons in the past... but i need learn more about it22:41
pace_t_zulumeh... debsign failed... that's definitely a problem on my end22:43
asacpace_t_zulu: thats ok its because i am the changelog owner atm?22:55
asacyou can use -kyour@email.in.key22:56
asacto explicitly sign with your key22:56
pace_t_zuluasac: actually Fabien is the changelog owner22:56
pace_t_zuluasac: i just modified the changelog to see if that resolves it22:56
pace_t_zuluasac: i think i have something incorrect about my secret key setup22:58
pace_t_zului have several different ubuntu installs on different machines as well as virtual machines22:59
pace_t_zulubut 'gpg --list-secret-keys     ' does show the correct key... this isn't a concern... the package clearly builds23:02
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ftaasac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/chrominum-chinese.png i want to start shipping langpacks, maybe interact with lp translations but upstream is not ready to accept them (yet)23:07
fta-n23:10
asacpace_t_zulu: dont bother about that ;)23:14
asaclaer you need your key ready for signing when you upload to ppa23:14
asacbut for testing it doesnt matter23:14
asacfta: did you tell me yet what localization technology they use?23:15
pace_t_zuluasac: the goal here is for a ppa ... not for chromium or v8 though23:16
ftaasac, http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/extensions/i18n23:23
ftahm, that's for extensions23:24
ftaasac, http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/ui-localization23:25
ftaasac, well, the question is more: should I ship a bunch of chromium-browser-l10n-xxx or one giant chromium-browser-l10n, or keep langpacks bundled into the main deb23:27
pace_t_zulufta: are you aware that the arrow button widgets are missing from the scrollbars in chromium?23:31
asacso they us grd?23:32
asacyet another new thing23:32
ftapace_t_zulu, but is that a bug or a feature? ;)23:33
pace_t_zulufta: a feature.... clearly23:33
ftai didn't notice it before as i'm not using them23:34
pace_t_zulujust letting you know... probably not an ubuntu specific problem23:36
ftaasac, <fta> asac, well, the question is more: should I ship a bunch of chromium-browser-l10n-xxx or one giant chromium-browser-l10n, or keep langpacks bundled into the main deb23:57
asac_depends on the size23:58
asac_what size does a unicode language have?23:58
asac_e.g. zh?23:58

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