[00:00] <ikonia> concur
[00:01] <Pici> jrib: fwiw, while breunig might be a regular, he also has a history of trolling our channels.
[00:01] <jrib> heh, I know (I've banned him before for it), but lately he's been more helpful
[00:02] <Pici> That troubles me a bit
[00:02] <ikonia> he's been quite helpful in the channel, but quite helpful in #archlinux at orginising others to troll
[02:44] <mneptok> keep an eye on bruenig
[02:45] <mneptok> he's deliberately annoying people, AFAICT
[02:45] <Flannel> again?
[02:46] <mneptok> again.
[02:46] <mneptok> #u
[03:03] <mneptok> apparently bruenig is CTCP'ing and /notice'ing people that he decides to irritate. but i don;t have enough evidence to ban him. and i'm heading for dinner.
[06:42] <bazhang> nice.
[06:42] <Flannel> What?
[06:42] <bazhang> Death Threats via PM
[06:43] <nalioth> bazhang: awwww, don't you feel all warm and snuggly?
[06:43] <bazhang> nalioth, hehe
[06:43] <bazhang> he's probably 13 or something
[06:43] <Flannel> Not that it's relevant here, but shadowwolf just joined #math and asked if anyone wanted to have a religious debate.  What's wrong with that boy?
[06:44] <bazhang> heh
[06:44] <nalioth> i've had a few tell me my address and informed me they were coming over to "take me to school", but nobody ever shows up . . . .
[06:44] <bazhang> whoa
[06:46] <elky> similar to what a certain hawaiian user said to me but a little more graphic and terminal
[06:46] <elky> s/but/but that/
[06:48] <ubottu> bazhang called the ops in #ubuntu+1 (dhonie_)
[07:12]  * jussi01 waves
[07:22] <bazhang> may wish to keep an eye on #kubuntu as dhonie_ (banned in #u and #u+1 ) may surface there.
[07:24] <bazhang> recommended he join #ubuntu-id and he is there now
[07:31] <jussi01> bazhang: 1 line the exited...
[07:46] <bazhang> jussi01, sorry was away for a moment; I saw that (now trying to ban evade with nick of van) just PM'ed me
[07:58] <tsimpson> random fact: we have 15488 "items" in the bans database
[07:59] <jussi01> heh
[08:37] <Flannel> Hmm
[08:53] <Flannel> er
[08:53] <Flannel> -motu, tweaker needs a ban
[08:55] <Flannel> Mmm, he stopped apparently.
[08:56] <Flannel> oh, there he goes again.
[08:57] <Flannel> oh, and -devel
[08:57] <Flannel> lovely
[08:58] <ikonia> mneptok: in my opinion and for the record bruenig has a LOT of proven form of unacceptable behaviour, if users are complaining about him, I would personally ban him and sort it out later due to his known form, it may be the wrong thing to do but the guy gets away with it due to how sneaky he is while in the channel, and blatent outside the channel
[09:00] <Flannel> Ah, and now he's threatening ban evasion!
[09:05] <dholbach> hello
[09:06] <Flannel> Howdy dholbach
[09:06] <dholbach> I just banned modder25 from #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-meeting
[09:06] <Flannel> Oh, he was in -meeting too?
[09:06] <dholbach> if somebody could do the same in #ubuntu-devel I'd appreciate it
[09:06] <dholbach> I was very patient with him
[09:07] <Flannel> yeah, I already spent some time with him in #ubuntu.  Where he earned a ban, and I imagine that's what started his spamming spree.
[09:07] <dholbach> not sure if I followed the correct procedure and if I need to do anything else just now
[09:07] <ubottu> hifi called the ops in #ubuntu+1 (modder25)
[09:07] <Gary> on it, give us a mo
[09:08]  * Flannel wonders why Hobbsee isn't in here anymore.
[09:09] <jussi01> Gary: is he getting a ticket on the k train?
[09:09] <dholbach> is there an auto-expiry for the ban?
[09:09] <dholbach> or do I have to unban at some stage?
[09:09] <Flannel> dholbach: No, you have , yeah
[09:09] <dholbach> ok, I'll take a note to do that tomorrow (before I go on vacation)
[09:10] <jussi01> dholbach: I can sort it if you like, but I think maybe he will get a network wide ban. Gary ?
[09:10] <dholbach> jussi01: that'd be nice if you took care of it - as you can tell, I'm far from being an expert
[09:11] <jussi01> dholbach: no probs, which channels have you banned him in?
[09:11] <Gary> dholbach jussi01 solved
[09:11] <dholbach> #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-meeting
[09:11] <dholbach> #ubuntu-devel I couldn't get an op for
[09:11] <dholbach> thanks guys
[09:11] <Flannel> Gary: ah, thanks.  I'll remove my bans
[09:11] <jussi01> right, you can unban now, or I can do it, your choice
[09:12] <dholbach> please do it, I'm not sure I'd do it correctly :)
[09:13] <jussi01> hehe, hobbsee beat me to it :)
[09:13] <Flannel> dholbach: It's just /mode -b [whatever you set +b on]
[09:13] <Flannel> oh, with no brackets, of course.
[09:13] <jussi01> dholbach: ok, all is sorted now. :) thanks again
[09:13] <dholbach> Flannel: ah ok
[09:13] <dholbach> good to know
[09:13] <dholbach> no worries
[09:14] <dholbach> at least I managed to tell him where to get help, maybe he'll do it in the end
[09:15] <ikonia> I think hobbsee's just said he's been klined
[09:15] <ikonia> and she removed her ban on him
[09:16] <dholbach> thanks a bunch for taking care of it
[09:16] <dholbach> have a great day!
[09:16]  * jussi01 hugs ikonia... bit late :)
[09:17] <ikonia> I'll take it, thanks
[09:22] <dragon_> i'm not sure if L33Thaxor666's behavior in #ubuntu deserves an !ops trigger.
[11:46] <jrib> Here's my proposal for the "ubuntu is too big" problem: have the default irc client, pidgin, ship with a plugin that only shows highlights for #ubuntu (with some obvious notification that it is enabled and an easy way to disable it)
[11:51] <jussi01> jrib: come again?
[11:55] <jrib> jussi01: context?  or what I said?
[11:55] <jrib> oh
[11:55] <jrib> I mean "#ubuntu is too big"
[11:56] <jrib> When a new user joins #ubuntu, he'll only see messages that have his nick in it.  That way the issue that there is too much traffic in #ubuntu for it to be helpful goes away
[11:57] <jussi01> hrm
[12:09] <elky> jrib, the problem is training people to actually address people properly
[12:12] <tsimpson> that still leaves the problem posted in comment #5
[12:13] <jrib> tsimpson: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/392799?comments=all ?
[12:13] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 392799 in ubuntu-community "#ubuntu too noisy to be useful" [Medium,Confirmed]
[12:13] <jrib> I don't want to split the channel at all
[12:13] <tsimpson> it'll have a similar effect for the "general public"
[12:14] <jrib> tsimpson: can you explain?
[12:14] <tsimpson> a user asking for support, but knowing how to fix another users issue, will never see the other issues
[12:15] <jrib> tsimpson: remember, the only users who would keep this setting enabled are those who feel the traffic in #ubuntu is too heavy anyway so they wouldn't help with another user's issue most likely
[12:16] <tsimpson> I mean casual users
[12:16] <tsimpson> eg: "Oh, I had that issue when I started, this is how you fix it..."
[12:20] <jrib> I don't think it's a real issue because 1) someone more experienced can probably also help 2) the user would not notice other's questions when the amount of traffic is too much for him.  I agree it means the user is less likely to begin giving back to the community, which is bad.  Maybe the questions metabot catches could be shown as well
[12:25] <tsimpson> it maybe an idea for the plugin to make the text light/grey instead of filtering too, or have it configurable
[12:25] <jrib> tsimpson: do you know if pidgin does not highlight by default?
[12:26] <tsimpson> I don't use pidgin, so have no clue
[12:26] <jrib> I think we need some statistics.   I've always thought highlighting was good enough to make #ubuntu very useful
[12:26] <tsimpson> I'm pretty sure it would though
[12:27] <jrib> But since more than a few people claim #ubuntu is not useful to them, I've always assumed it's because highlighting wasn't good enough
[12:27] <tsimpson> the thing about highlighting is to make a line _more_ visible, with "greying" the bulk of the text becomes _less_ visible and so highlighting becomes less necessary
[12:28] <jrib> maybe a separate window in pidgin, that limits itself to highlights, that way the user can go back to the full context
[12:28] <jrib> tsimpson: I think part of the problem is the amount of scroll
[13:06] <Pici> !away > Until_It|Sleeps
[13:06] <Pici> !away > Until_It_Sleeps
[13:16] <tsimpson> seems Until_It_Sleeps doesn't care: * Until_It_Sleeps is now known as UIS|AFK
[13:19] <bazhang> harjot is not maniheer
[13:19] <bazhang> maniheer is still trying to ban dodge though
[13:20] <bazhang> <ef_codd> please clear the way, I am an official computer styled scientist
[13:22] <Pici> 'impertinent'?
[13:23] <bazhang> this is the 'my bunty broke' guy
[13:23] <Pici> oy
[13:23] <bazhang> ultra-troll extraordinaire
[13:23] <Pici> Do you have notes there? I can barely remember who is who..
[13:25] <bazhang> just in the BT, ef_codd as a search term ; he was using *!i=plural@creep.bur.st before
=== jrib1 is now known as jrib
[13:56] <tsimpson> someone should start writing up wiki pages for bantrackertwo blueprints, so people can add comments etc
[13:57] <Pici> 'someone'?
[13:57] <tsimpson> someone who is not me :)
[13:57] <bazhang> thought there was one already; or was the one I saw the other day not it
[13:58] <tsimpson> there are no pages linked from the blueprints anyway
[13:58] <Pici> This is my first time really using the blueprints, I'm not really sure what would be in a linked wiki page.
[14:01] <bazhang> next outburst by ef_codd in #ubuntu and he is gone
[14:01] <Pici> in #u or #u-ot?
[14:01] <bazhang> #u
[14:02] <topyli> now gone from -ot
[14:03] <tsimpson> blueprints.l.n is mostly used to track overall process, the wiki is where the work/ideas go
[14:03] <tsimpson> eg: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/daily-upstream-builds-poc (top of the ubuntu blueprints page)
[14:16] <ikonia> @bansearch maniheer
[14:16] <ubottu> Match: *!*@gateway/web/*!#ubuntu-proxy-users by Automated-Addition in #kubuntu on Jun 29 2008 06:42:46 (ID: 4947)
[14:16] <ubottu> Match: *!*@gateway/web/*!#ubuntu-proxy-users by Myrtti in #ubuntu on Jun 08 2009 20:15:50 (ID: 14466)
[14:16] <ubottu> Match: maniheer!*@* by ikonia in #ubuntu on Jul 10 2009 20:38:27 (ID: 15354)
[14:16] <ubottu> Match: *!*@gateway/web/*!#ubuntu-proxy-users by Automated-Addition in #ubuntu on Apr 18 2008 18:46:25 (ID: 4846)
[14:17] <ikonia> maniheer!*@*  ?? how did he get in #ubuntu then
[14:17] <Pricey> ikonia: when?
[14:18] <ikonia> 12:47 -!- mode/#ubuntu [+e  maniheer!i=5ac79ad6@gateway/web/freenode/x-9d6d916897faf9e4] by  FloodBot3
[14:18] <bazhang> he tried but was turned away by the FB's
[14:18] <ikonia> 13:08 -!- mode/#ubuntu [-e  maniheer!i=5ac79ad6@gateway/web/freenode/x-9d6d916897faf9e4] by  FloodBot2, FloodBot3
[14:18] <ikonia> they did a +e first
[14:18] <bazhang> I had him in PM the whole time
[14:18] <ikonia> surly they would not bother
[14:18] <ikonia> ahhhh quick bz
[14:18] <ikonia> quick bazhang 
[14:39] <bazhang> any objections to removing until it sleeps?
[14:44] <bazhang> had him/her in PM; wanted to argue that it was 'just a nick change' asked him/her to exit the channel and that status change message *is* an away message
[18:49] <bazhang> bullgard need to learn the benefits of having a PM with ubottu
[18:51] <Pici> His question was at least on topic this time.
[18:52] <bazhang> heh good point
[19:37] <Flannel> !away > iamcalledrob|awa 
[19:52] <ubottu> In ubottu, ufo said: well there is nothing on ubuntu about that or i did not find it
[19:52] <Pici> what?
[19:55] <Seeker`> Pici: there is nothing on ubuntu about that!
[19:56] <Seeker`> how can you not understand that?
[19:56] <Pricey> Flannel: weren't you looking for !awa?
[20:04] <Pici> Seeker`: That was after getting !patience > in #ubuntu, don't understand how that is a reply to that.
[22:59] <Seeker`> @bansearch maniheer
[22:59] <ubottu> Match: *!*@gateway/web/*!#ubuntu-proxy-users by Automated-Addition in #kubuntu on Jun 29 2008 06:42:46 (ID: 4947)
[22:59] <ubottu> Match: *!*@gateway/web/*!#ubuntu-proxy-users by Myrtti in #ubuntu on Jun 08 2009 20:15:50 (ID: 14466)
[22:59] <ubottu> Match: maniheer!*@* by ikonia in #ubuntu on Jul 10 2009 20:38:27 (ID: 15354)
[22:59] <ubottu> Match: *!*@gateway/web/*!#ubuntu-proxy-users by Automated-Addition in #ubuntu on Apr 18 2008 18:46:25 (ID: 4846)
[23:00] <ubottu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, alexbobp said: !no, rtfm is Read The Fantastic Manual
[23:52] <h00k> I would like to formally apologize for my actions on Monday, July 6th as seen http://pastebin.com/d799594e1.  My goal was not to harass or offend another user, and I am sorry my actions could have been seen as such.
[23:53] <h00k> *In channel #ubuntu-offtopic