[07:02] <ara> good morning!
[07:31] <ara> buenos días jcollado
[07:32] <jcollado> ara: Buenos días
[16:46] <davmor2> fader_: how's things mucka
[16:50] <fader_> davmor2: Can't complain but I still do :)
[16:51] <davmor2> fader_: You complain are you sure your not a new yorker?
[16:51] <fader_> Heh, nah, it's more common across the States than just NY :)
[16:52] <davmor2> I know but they are nearly as famous for it as you right ;)
[17:04] <fader_> davmor2: How's life treating you these days?
[17:05] <davmor2> fader_: Just bust enough at the moment :)
[17:08] <fader_> davmor2: I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
[17:08] <davmor2> Bad thing for next week :)
[17:12] <fader_> :(
[20:37] <davmor2_> fader_: note board adium theme in empathy is weird but it makes it really obvious as to who says what :)
[20:38] <davmor2_> oh and metalsolid is nice too :)
[20:38] <fader_> davmor2_ (davmor2): You'll have to send me some screenshots :)
[20:45] <davmor2> fader_: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/empathy-nb.png and http://www.davmor2.co.uk/empathy-mb2.png
[20:46] <fader_> davmor2: Wow.  I'm genuinely not sure how I feel about that.
[20:46] <davmor2> fader_: there are others too :)
[20:47] <davmor2> I just pick the first 2 that were listed as working fully :)
[20:47]  * fader_ is apparently too text-oriented to be a digital native.
[20:51] <davmor2> fader_: http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/Themes just click through I'm sure there are some that even you would like :)
[21:05] <fader_> cr3: Style question... should checkbox tests output text only when they fail, or is it useful to see specifics about what passed as well?
[21:06] <fader_> And do you look for that on stdout or stderr?
[21:07] <davmor2> fader_: you might like this http://www.adiumxtras.com/images/pictures/paraphernalia_5_3324_5493_image_7836.png
[21:08] <fader_> davmor2: It'd be better without the background image :)
[21:08] <davmor2> just select a black background ;)
[21:14] <fader_> davmor2: Do you have any machines with CRTs instead of/in addition to LCDs?
[21:15] <davmor2> no I don't have the space :(  I think I still have a crt down in the shed somewhere though why?
[21:17] <fader_> davmor2: Meh, no big deal.  I am writing a checkbox test to cycle through all the detected video modes on a system and wanted someone to run 'xrandr -q' on a machine with a CRT to validate my assumptions as to how xrandr works
[21:17] <fader_> Not a huge deal as I'm pretty sure I'm right. :)
[21:17]  * fader_ is never worng.
[21:18] <fader_> I have a CRT buried somewhere in my nigh-infinite junk that I can hook up if I don't find anyone who has one handy.
[21:19] <davmor2> fader_: try the xubuntu channel :)
[21:19] <fader_> (That said, if anyone lurking has a CRT and is willing to send me the output of 'xrandr -q' or better yet try my script, please let me know :) )
[21:19] <sbeattie> fader_: in what context?
[21:20] <sbeattie> although... my crt I have probably predates edid.
[21:20] <fader_> sbeattie: Hmm, I'm not sure what we'd see on a pre-edid monitor.
[21:21] <fader_> sbeattie: It'd be valuable enough I think that if you have it hooked up right now I would whine at you to run xrandr, but probably not worth dragging it up from storage or something
[21:21] <sbeattie> distro matter?
[21:22] <fader_> Not at all... this should be standard vanilla X stuff
[21:22] <fader_> just the output from "xrandr -q" will tell me if I'm on track
[21:22]  * sbeattie snickers at fader_'s misguided naivate when it comes to X. :-)
[21:22] <fader_> Heh
[21:23] <cr3> fader_: if the script passed, checkbox captures stdout and, if there's none, stderr. if the script failed, checkbox only captures stderr.
[21:23] <fader_> Nah, I remember the Good Old Days.  I spent about a week setting up Slackware from a stack of floppies taller than I was and running console-based modeline calculators from the values in the back of my monitor manual.
[21:23] <fader_> I don't miss the Good Old Days :)
[21:24] <fader_> cr3: Excellent, thank you.  I'll output errors to stderr and successes to stdout.
[21:24] <fader_> (Sorta what I expected.)
[21:25] <cr3> fader_: if it's what you expected, that's a good sign. pleased to hear it
[21:26] <davmor2_> fadeer
[21:26] <fader_> cr3: Well, I was mostly interested in whether I should be unixy and silent on success or if it's okay to add additional info... stderr/stdout I just assumed.
[21:26] <davmor2_> fader_: even meh need typing lessons
[21:26] <fader_> heh
[21:26] <davmor2_> what are you expecting from a crt that you don't get from an lcd or visa versa
[21:27] <sbeattie> fader_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/220044/
[21:27] <fader_> sbeattie: Perfect, that's exactly what I expected.  Thanks!
[21:32] <davmor2_> fader_: but that isn't much different from what I get on my lcd.  Was it just a is it the same query?
[21:34] <fader_> davmor2_: It is the same format of output.  I basically wanted to make sure that (a) CRTs still got listed as being 'connected' rather than being some other state, as I wasn't sure you could detect connectivity for VGA; and (b) that modes were still given as unique values rather than ranges, as with CRTs you can do weird nonstandard modes
[21:34] <fader_> I figured that the format would be the same but it doesn't hurt to check.
[21:36] <davmor2_> fader_: All my lcd's are connected via vga
[21:37] <fader_> davmor2_: The discrete/range mode question was still valid though. :)
[21:37] <davmor2> true :)
[22:40] <davmor2> sbeattie: do you have an msn account?
[22:41] <davmor2> or you fader_?
[22:41] <fader_> davmor2: No, sorry
[22:41] <sbeattie> davmor2: I do, immunix@hotmail.com
[22:44] <davmor2_> sbeattie: are you logged on?
[22:45] <sbeattie> I should be, but through bitlbee which is not always entirely protocol compliant. Lemme fire up pidgin.
[22:46] <sbeattie> davmor2_: I'm pidginified now.
[22:54] <davmor2_> that seems okay but I'll try again tomorrow if your around with just a default install
[23:04] <davmor2_> sbeattie: this seems relatively stable to be honest but I will try tomorrow on fresh install to find out whether it's haze or butterfly that is the issue
[23:09] <sbeattie> davmor2_: sure thing.
[23:11] <davmor2> no probs then I think I'm going to call it a night then bye