[07:02] good morning! [07:31] buenos días jcollado [07:32] ara: Buenos días === fader|away is now known as fader_ === mvo__ is now known as mvo [16:46] fader_: how's things mucka [16:50] davmor2: Can't complain but I still do :) [16:51] fader_: You complain are you sure your not a new yorker? [16:51] Heh, nah, it's more common across the States than just NY :) [16:52] I know but they are nearly as famous for it as you right ;) [17:04] davmor2: How's life treating you these days? [17:05] fader_: Just bust enough at the moment :) [17:08] davmor2: I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. [17:08] Bad thing for next week :) [17:12] :( === pace_t_zulu is now known as pace_t_zulu|afk [20:37] fader_: note board adium theme in empathy is weird but it makes it really obvious as to who says what :) [20:38] oh and metalsolid is nice too :) [20:38] davmor2_ (davmor2): You'll have to send me some screenshots :) === pace_t_zulu|afk is now known as pace_t_zulu [20:45] fader_: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/empathy-nb.png and http://www.davmor2.co.uk/empathy-mb2.png [20:46] davmor2: Wow. I'm genuinely not sure how I feel about that. [20:46] fader_: there are others too :) [20:47] I just pick the first 2 that were listed as working fully :) [20:47] * fader_ is apparently too text-oriented to be a digital native. [20:51] fader_: http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/Themes just click through I'm sure there are some that even you would like :) [21:05] cr3: Style question... should checkbox tests output text only when they fail, or is it useful to see specifics about what passed as well? [21:06] And do you look for that on stdout or stderr? [21:07] fader_: you might like this http://www.adiumxtras.com/images/pictures/paraphernalia_5_3324_5493_image_7836.png [21:08] davmor2: It'd be better without the background image :) [21:08] just select a black background ;) [21:14] davmor2: Do you have any machines with CRTs instead of/in addition to LCDs? [21:15] no I don't have the space :( I think I still have a crt down in the shed somewhere though why? [21:17] davmor2: Meh, no big deal. I am writing a checkbox test to cycle through all the detected video modes on a system and wanted someone to run 'xrandr -q' on a machine with a CRT to validate my assumptions as to how xrandr works [21:17] Not a huge deal as I'm pretty sure I'm right. :) [21:17] * fader_ is never worng. [21:18] I have a CRT buried somewhere in my nigh-infinite junk that I can hook up if I don't find anyone who has one handy. [21:19] fader_: try the xubuntu channel :) [21:19] (That said, if anyone lurking has a CRT and is willing to send me the output of 'xrandr -q' or better yet try my script, please let me know :) ) [21:19] fader_: in what context? [21:20] although... my crt I have probably predates edid. [21:20] sbeattie: Hmm, I'm not sure what we'd see on a pre-edid monitor. [21:21] sbeattie: It'd be valuable enough I think that if you have it hooked up right now I would whine at you to run xrandr, but probably not worth dragging it up from storage or something [21:21] distro matter? [21:22] Not at all... this should be standard vanilla X stuff [21:22] just the output from "xrandr -q" will tell me if I'm on track [21:22] * sbeattie snickers at fader_'s misguided naivate when it comes to X. :-) [21:22] Heh [21:23] fader_: if the script passed, checkbox captures stdout and, if there's none, stderr. if the script failed, checkbox only captures stderr. [21:23] Nah, I remember the Good Old Days. I spent about a week setting up Slackware from a stack of floppies taller than I was and running console-based modeline calculators from the values in the back of my monitor manual. [21:23] I don't miss the Good Old Days :) [21:24] cr3: Excellent, thank you. I'll output errors to stderr and successes to stdout. [21:24] (Sorta what I expected.) [21:25] fader_: if it's what you expected, that's a good sign. pleased to hear it [21:26] fadeer [21:26] cr3: Well, I was mostly interested in whether I should be unixy and silent on success or if it's okay to add additional info... stderr/stdout I just assumed. [21:26] fader_: even meh need typing lessons [21:26] heh [21:26] what are you expecting from a crt that you don't get from an lcd or visa versa [21:27] fader_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/220044/ [21:27] sbeattie: Perfect, that's exactly what I expected. Thanks! [21:32] fader_: but that isn't much different from what I get on my lcd. Was it just a is it the same query? [21:34] davmor2_: It is the same format of output. I basically wanted to make sure that (a) CRTs still got listed as being 'connected' rather than being some other state, as I wasn't sure you could detect connectivity for VGA; and (b) that modes were still given as unique values rather than ranges, as with CRTs you can do weird nonstandard modes [21:34] I figured that the format would be the same but it doesn't hurt to check. [21:36] fader_: All my lcd's are connected via vga [21:37] davmor2_: The discrete/range mode question was still valid though. :) [21:37] true :) [22:40] sbeattie: do you have an msn account? [22:41] or you fader_? [22:41] davmor2: No, sorry [22:41] davmor2: I do, immunix@hotmail.com [22:44] sbeattie: are you logged on? [22:45] I should be, but through bitlbee which is not always entirely protocol compliant. Lemme fire up pidgin. [22:46] davmor2_: I'm pidginified now. [22:54] that seems okay but I'll try again tomorrow if your around with just a default install === fader_ is now known as fader|away [23:04] sbeattie: this seems relatively stable to be honest but I will try tomorrow on fresh install to find out whether it's haze or butterfly that is the issue [23:09] davmor2_: sure thing. [23:11] no probs then I think I'm going to call it a night then bye