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| mac_v | SiDi> hi... | 09:48 |
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| SiDi | mac_v: heya | 09:49 |
| mac_v | SiDi> have a look at this... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/UpdateIssues#Hassle-Free%20In-Session%20Updates%20[%20/!\%20WIP] anything i have missed out? | 09:50 |
| mac_v | i havent finished it fully yet , needs a bit of polish... | 09:51 |
| SiDi | you're gonna cut a Polish in parts and put a bit of it in it ? OO | 09:53 |
| SiDi | 5. "Restart Required" alert is misleading for new users coming for Windows <- i think it's misleading for everyone ;) | 09:53 |
| mac_v | SiDi> i'll add "especially" ? | 09:56 |
| SiDi | no, i think its just misleading for absolutely everyone :P | 09:56 |
| SiDi | indeed windows users will be more prone to restart immediately, but people who discover comps with ubuntu too, i believe | 09:56 |
| SiDi | "new" users will be more prone to restart, wherever they come from | 09:56 |
| mac_v | yeah... | 09:58 |
| SiDi | mac_v: i agree to some of your changes and disagree to some others :) | 09:58 |
| SiDi | I think the check button should stay, it's very practical, for insance when i just added a PPA | 09:58 |
| mac_v | SiDi> sure , i cant be fully righy | 09:58 |
| SiDi | or when i wake up and expect a daily build to be ready for me | 09:58 |
| SiDi | instance* | 09:58 |
| mac_v | it can be moved to the description details section | 09:59 |
| mac_v | right^ | 10:00 |
| SiDi | Hm don't know :/ | 10:00 |
| SiDi | I really like this big button immediately available | 10:00 |
| SiDi | i think you should leave it where it was and use a different icon for Remind later | 10:01 |
| SiDi | something like a clock | 10:01 |
| SiDi | oh, and i'm ok with the present icon for normal updates, but the "update-manager" icon of my theme is too sexy, it MUST be used for security updates at least :) | 10:01 |
| mac_v | sure we like it , but in actual use, average users dont use it daily, so moving it to hidden menu is better | 10:02 |
| mac_v | ;p | 10:02 |
| SiDi | They may use it from time to time, but in my opinion they wont use "Remind me later" more :) | 10:02 |
| SiDi | if the update manager is already open it means : 1) they opened it | 2) it opened itself cause they were too long to react for pending updates :p | 10:02 |
| mac_v | well the close was removed , so had to keep the "remind" | 10:02 |
| SiDi | oh crap there are too many present icons oO | 10:04 |
| SiDi | its xmas ! | 10:04 |
| mac_v | SiDi> that is why i have mentiond that the apt-get update must be done if the UM is opened after 12hrs of the last check... i feel anything lees might be over kill | 10:04 |
| SiDi | (it's already how it works, you know :p) | 10:05 |
| mac_v | ah, that because there are so many mockups! , but we only get to see 1 at a time | 10:05 |
| SiDi | (but you can manually refresh :p) | 10:05 |
| mac_v | yeah | 10:05 |
| SiDi | Still, 3 times the same icon is too much | 10:05 |
| SiDi | THe present idea is cool, i'm ok with it as a package icon, but you shall not put it everywhere | 10:05 |
| SiDi | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/UpdateIssues?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mockup.png | 10:05 |
| SiDi | For instance here, the button should have a "gtk-validate" icon, as it's the "Ok" answer | 10:05 |
| SiDi | and the update-manager should always have it's own application icon in the top right | 10:06 |
| mac_v | well the restart icon was there in the window title , its either this or i had to get the UM icon | 10:06 |
| SiDi | which leaves us to one present icon instead of 3 :) | 10:06 |
| SiDi | by the way, I think you should label the buttons depending on the action they perform | 10:06 |
| SiDi | it must state very clearly "Restart computer" | 10:06 |
| SiDi | some users dont have a fully translated locale, or they dont really understand what their computer says | 10:07 |
| SiDi | they need to be clearly told what will happen if they click here or there | 10:07 |
| mac_v | yeah the UM icon needs to be in the title... but the starting pic i had had the restart icon ,... I'll edit it | 10:07 |
| mac_v | well this is just a basic idea... surely it need the refinement of the UX team | 10:08 |
| mac_v | needs^ | 10:08 |
| SiDi | i think your timed reminders are too short btw :p | 10:09 |
| SiDi | I dont even see the need of it for non-security updates, and you say yourself that if someone uses the PC for work 8 hours / day they'll be disturbed twice per day about it ... | 10:10 |
| SiDi | Anyway good job mac_v | 10:11 |
| mac_v | SiDi> no , for software reminders are at every 12 hrs only | 10:11 |
| SiDi | but for security updates | 10:11 |
| SiDi | what does a company user care bout security updates when they're automatically performed usually ? :P He shouldnt be told twice per day with updates that he shall restart | 10:11 |
| mac_v | , that i why i said 1 pm and 6, it either at lunch or after , if the user does it in lucnh he wont have the reminder later ;p | 10:12 |
| mac_v | lunch^ | 10:12 |
| SiDi | mac_v: my point is that they don't control it, and they cant afford to reboot the PC anyway | 10:16 |
| SiDi | so its a disturbance for company employees, and they shall not be condemned to be disturbed :p | 10:17 |
| mac_v | SiDi> those scenarios, the admins are reminded... not the user | 10:17 |
| mac_v | non-admins should not be notified | 10:17 |
| mac_v | I'll add that | 10:17 |
| mac_v | if i'm not mistaken, that is how it already works, non-admins dont get notified | 10:20 |
| SiDi | they probably dont | 10:24 |
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| danrabbit | Anyone want to give me their opinion on something? | 18:22 |
| ryanprior | danrabbit: shoot | 18:23 |
| danrabbit | So, is it This: http://www.elementary-project.com/abuse/Screenshot-1.png | 18:23 |
| danrabbit | or this: http://www.elementary-project.com/abuse/Screenshot.png | 18:23 |
| danrabbit | we're looking at the 48px view. The second largest. | 18:23 |
| ryanprior | at the largest size I like the white one better | 18:24 |
| ryanprior | at the smaller sizes I like the dark one better | 18:24 |
| danrabbit | Each size would have it's own icon, so it would look sharper. | 18:24 |
| danrabbit | But, I'm liking the dark one too., | 18:25 |
| ryanprior | right, with some pixel fixes I think it would be pretty ideal | 18:27 |
| ryanprior | you can solicit opinions in #ubuntu-artwork too if you'd like more criticism | 18:28 |
| danrabbit | good idea | 18:28 |
| ryanprior | if that channel is dead (it usually is more active) you can take it to the mailing lists | 18:31 |
| danrabbit | It's fine. I think Iv'e made my decision :D | 18:33 |
| ryanprior | great, thanks for your work | 18:34 |
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