[09:48] <mac_v> SiDi> hi...
[09:49] <SiDi> mac_v: heya
[09:50] <mac_v> SiDi> have a look at this... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/UpdateIssues#Hassle-Free%20In-Session%20Updates%20[%20/!\%20WIP] anything i have missed out?
[09:51] <mac_v> i havent finished it fully yet , needs a bit of polish... 
[09:53] <SiDi> you're gonna cut a Polish in parts and put a bit of it in it ? OO
[09:53] <SiDi> 5. "Restart Required" alert is misleading for new users coming for Windows <- i think it's misleading for everyone ;)
[09:56] <mac_v> SiDi> i'll add "especially" ?
[09:56] <SiDi> no, i think its just misleading for absolutely everyone :P
[09:56] <SiDi> indeed windows users will be more prone to restart immediately, but people who discover comps with ubuntu too, i believe
[09:56] <SiDi> "new" users will be more prone to restart, wherever they come from
[09:58] <mac_v> yeah...
[09:58] <SiDi> mac_v: i agree to some of your changes and disagree to some others :)
[09:58] <SiDi> I think the check button should stay, it's very practical, for insance when i just added a PPA
[09:58] <mac_v> SiDi> sure , i cant be fully righy
[09:58] <SiDi> or when i wake up and expect a daily build to be ready for me
[09:58] <SiDi> instance*
[09:59] <mac_v> it can be moved to the description details section
[10:00] <mac_v> right^
[10:00] <SiDi> Hm don't know :/
[10:00] <SiDi> I really like this big button immediately available
[10:01] <SiDi> i think you should leave it where it was and use a different icon for Remind later
[10:01] <SiDi> something like a clock
[10:01] <SiDi> oh, and i'm ok with the present icon for normal updates, but the "update-manager" icon of my theme is too sexy, it MUST be used for security updates at least :)
[10:02] <mac_v> sure we like it , but in actual use, average users  dont use it daily, so moving it to hidden menu is better
[10:02] <mac_v> ;p
[10:02] <SiDi> They may use it from time to time, but in my opinion they wont use "Remind me later" more :)
[10:02] <SiDi> if the update manager is already open it means : 1) they opened it | 2) it opened itself cause they were too long to react for pending updates :p
[10:02] <mac_v> well the close was removed , so had to keep the "remind"
[10:04] <SiDi> oh crap there are too many present icons oO
[10:04] <SiDi> its xmas !
[10:04] <mac_v> SiDi> that is why i have mentiond that the apt-get update must be done if the UM is opened after 12hrs of the last check... i feel anything lees might be over kill
[10:05] <SiDi> (it's already how it works, you know :p)
[10:05] <mac_v> ah, that because there are so many mockups! , but we only get to see 1 at a time
[10:05] <SiDi> (but you can manually refresh :p)
[10:05] <mac_v> yeah
[10:05] <SiDi> Still, 3 times the same icon is too much
[10:05] <SiDi> THe present idea is cool, i'm ok with it as a package icon, but you shall not put it everywhere
[10:05] <SiDi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/UpdateIssues?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mockup.png
[10:05] <SiDi> For instance here, the button should have a "gtk-validate" icon, as it's the "Ok" answer
[10:06] <SiDi> and the update-manager should always have it's own application icon in the top right
[10:06] <mac_v> well the restart icon was there in the window title , its either this or i had to get the UM icon
[10:06] <SiDi> which leaves us to one present icon instead of 3 :)
[10:06] <SiDi> by the way, I think you should label the buttons depending on the action they perform
[10:06] <SiDi> it must state very clearly "Restart computer"
[10:07] <SiDi> some users dont have a fully translated locale, or they dont really understand what their computer says
[10:07] <SiDi> they need to be clearly told what will happen if they click here or there
[10:07] <mac_v> yeah the UM icon needs to be in the title... but the starting pic i had had the restart icon ,... I'll edit it
[10:08] <mac_v> well this is just a basic idea... surely it need the refinement of the UX team
[10:08] <mac_v> needs^
[10:09] <SiDi> i think your timed reminders are too short btw :p
[10:10] <SiDi> I dont even see the need of it for non-security updates, and you say yourself that if someone uses the PC for work 8 hours / day they'll be disturbed twice per day about it ...
[10:11] <SiDi> Anyway good job mac_v 
[10:11] <mac_v> SiDi> no , for software reminders are at every 12 hrs only
[10:11] <SiDi> but for security updates
[10:11] <SiDi> what does a company user care bout security updates when they're automatically performed usually ? :P He shouldnt be told twice per day with updates that he shall restart
[10:12] <mac_v> , that i why i said 1 pm and 6, it either at lunch or after , if the user does it in lucnh he wont have the reminder later ;p
[10:12] <mac_v> lunch^
[10:16] <SiDi> mac_v: my point is that they don't control it, and they cant afford to reboot the PC anyway
[10:17] <SiDi> so its a disturbance for company employees, and they shall not be condemned to be disturbed :p
[10:17] <mac_v> SiDi> those scenarios, the admins are reminded... not the user
[10:17] <mac_v> non-admins should not be notified 
[10:17] <mac_v> I'll add that
[10:20] <mac_v> if i'm not mistaken, that is how it already works, non-admins dont get notified
[10:24] <SiDi> they probably dont
[12:28]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[18:22] <danrabbit> Anyone want to give me their opinion on something?
[18:23] <ryanprior> danrabbit: shoot
[18:23] <danrabbit> So, is it This: http://www.elementary-project.com/abuse/Screenshot-1.png
[18:23] <danrabbit> or this: http://www.elementary-project.com/abuse/Screenshot.png
[18:23] <danrabbit> we're looking at the 48px view. The second largest.
[18:24] <ryanprior> at the largest size I like the white one better
[18:24] <ryanprior> at the smaller sizes I like the dark one better
[18:24] <danrabbit> Each size would have it's own icon, so it would look sharper.
[18:25] <danrabbit> But, I'm liking the dark one too.,
[18:27] <ryanprior> right, with some pixel fixes I think it would be pretty ideal
[18:28] <ryanprior> you can solicit opinions in #ubuntu-artwork too if you'd like more criticism
[18:28] <danrabbit> good idea
[18:31] <ryanprior> if that channel is dead (it usually is more active) you can take it to the mailing lists
[18:33] <danrabbit> It's fine. I think Iv'e made my decision :D
[18:34] <ryanprior> great, thanks for your work