=== Pici` is now known as Pici [09:48] SiDi> hi... [09:49] mac_v: heya [09:50] SiDi> have a look at this... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/UpdateIssues#Hassle-Free%20In-Session%20Updates%20[%20/!\%20WIP] anything i have missed out? [09:51] i havent finished it fully yet , needs a bit of polish... [09:53] you're gonna cut a Polish in parts and put a bit of it in it ? OO [09:53] 5. "Restart Required" alert is misleading for new users coming for Windows <- i think it's misleading for everyone ;) [09:56] SiDi> i'll add "especially" ? [09:56] no, i think its just misleading for absolutely everyone :P [09:56] indeed windows users will be more prone to restart immediately, but people who discover comps with ubuntu too, i believe [09:56] "new" users will be more prone to restart, wherever they come from [09:58] yeah... [09:58] mac_v: i agree to some of your changes and disagree to some others :) [09:58] I think the check button should stay, it's very practical, for insance when i just added a PPA [09:58] SiDi> sure , i cant be fully righy [09:58] or when i wake up and expect a daily build to be ready for me [09:58] instance* [09:59] it can be moved to the description details section [10:00] right^ [10:00] Hm don't know :/ [10:00] I really like this big button immediately available [10:01] i think you should leave it where it was and use a different icon for Remind later [10:01] something like a clock [10:01] oh, and i'm ok with the present icon for normal updates, but the "update-manager" icon of my theme is too sexy, it MUST be used for security updates at least :) [10:02] sure we like it , but in actual use, average users dont use it daily, so moving it to hidden menu is better [10:02] ;p [10:02] They may use it from time to time, but in my opinion they wont use "Remind me later" more :) [10:02] if the update manager is already open it means : 1) they opened it | 2) it opened itself cause they were too long to react for pending updates :p [10:02] well the close was removed , so had to keep the "remind" [10:04] oh crap there are too many present icons oO [10:04] its xmas ! [10:04] SiDi> that is why i have mentiond that the apt-get update must be done if the UM is opened after 12hrs of the last check... i feel anything lees might be over kill [10:05] (it's already how it works, you know :p) [10:05] ah, that because there are so many mockups! , but we only get to see 1 at a time [10:05] (but you can manually refresh :p) [10:05] yeah [10:05] Still, 3 times the same icon is too much [10:05] THe present idea is cool, i'm ok with it as a package icon, but you shall not put it everywhere [10:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/UpdateIssues?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mockup.png [10:05] For instance here, the button should have a "gtk-validate" icon, as it's the "Ok" answer [10:06] and the update-manager should always have it's own application icon in the top right [10:06] well the restart icon was there in the window title , its either this or i had to get the UM icon [10:06] which leaves us to one present icon instead of 3 :) [10:06] by the way, I think you should label the buttons depending on the action they perform [10:06] it must state very clearly "Restart computer" [10:07] some users dont have a fully translated locale, or they dont really understand what their computer says [10:07] they need to be clearly told what will happen if they click here or there [10:07] yeah the UM icon needs to be in the title... but the starting pic i had had the restart icon ,... I'll edit it [10:08] well this is just a basic idea... surely it need the refinement of the UX team [10:08] needs^ [10:09] i think your timed reminders are too short btw :p [10:10] I dont even see the need of it for non-security updates, and you say yourself that if someone uses the PC for work 8 hours / day they'll be disturbed twice per day about it ... [10:11] Anyway good job mac_v [10:11] SiDi> no , for software reminders are at every 12 hrs only [10:11] but for security updates [10:11] what does a company user care bout security updates when they're automatically performed usually ? :P He shouldnt be told twice per day with updates that he shall restart [10:12] , that i why i said 1 pm and 6, it either at lunch or after , if the user does it in lucnh he wont have the reminder later ;p [10:12] lunch^ [10:16] mac_v: my point is that they don't control it, and they cant afford to reboot the PC anyway [10:17] so its a disturbance for company employees, and they shall not be condemned to be disturbed :p [10:17] SiDi> those scenarios, the admins are reminded... not the user [10:17] non-admins should not be notified [10:17] I'll add that [10:20] if i'm not mistaken, that is how it already works, non-admins dont get notified [10:24] they probably dont [12:28] * MacSlow -> lunch === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === JamalFanaian is now known as JamalFanaian|afk === JamalFanaian|afk is now known as JamalFanaian === SiDi`Laptop is now known as SiDi === JamalFanaian is now known as JamalFanaian|afk [18:22] Anyone want to give me their opinion on something? [18:23] danrabbit: shoot [18:23] So, is it This: http://www.elementary-project.com/abuse/Screenshot-1.png [18:23] or this: http://www.elementary-project.com/abuse/Screenshot.png [18:23] we're looking at the 48px view. The second largest. [18:24] at the largest size I like the white one better [18:24] at the smaller sizes I like the dark one better [18:24] Each size would have it's own icon, so it would look sharper. [18:25] But, I'm liking the dark one too., [18:27] right, with some pixel fixes I think it would be pretty ideal [18:28] you can solicit opinions in #ubuntu-artwork too if you'd like more criticism [18:28] good idea [18:31] if that channel is dead (it usually is more active) you can take it to the mailing lists [18:33] It's fine. I think Iv'e made my decision :D [18:34] great, thanks for your work === JamalFanaian|afk is now known as JamalFanaian === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3-afk === JamalFanaian is now known as JamalFanaian|afk