[00:34]  * Gon ausente: Ausente por el momento
[03:34] <DaskreeCH> Is kopete Yahoo fix backported to KDE 4.2 /
[03:34] <DaskreeCH> ?
[04:38] <JontheEchidna> needs to be done, I haven't had time
[05:02] <DaskreeCH> JontheEchidna: work around for people who are waiting? I've just been telling them to use meebo
[09:32] <Mamarok> is Anthony Ash here?
[09:43] <Mamarok> actually, Andrew Ash, sorry
[11:15] <ryanakca> If we're short on space on the CDs, do we really need to ship 47.7MB of wallpapers? (assuming kdebase-workspace-wallpapers is installed by default)
[11:16] <ryanakca> Also, for the "something interesting" for wiki.k.o/kubuntu/, maybe have a "Developper of the week" (small paragraph describing what they do, how long they've been using Kubuntu, why they like it, along with a small hackergotchi) and then something similar for a "User of the week" ?
[11:16] <Riddell> kdebase-workspace-wallpapers is split out so that we don't include it on the CDs by default
[11:17] <ryanakca> OK
[11:17] <Riddell> although sometimes things change and it gets pulled back in, but I suspect we'd notice
[11:17] <Riddell> interviews are always good, just needs someone doing them
[11:19] <ryanakca> Riddell: *nod*. For the Developper of the week, send out a description of the paragraph (less than 100 words say, what they do, etc.) to the ML, we can get their picture from the planet, as for the user, same thing, except post in on the kubunutforums ?
[11:21] <ryanakca> I don't think we want to place a huge interview on the /kubuntu/ page... but if we have at least a short blurb for our friendly dev, users might go "Hey, they don't look scary at all!" and want to contribute... of course, that's pushing it, but oh well :)
[11:22] <jussi01> I can be user of the week first if you like? :D
[11:22] <ryanakca> Anyways, I'm off to breakfast and then to work, I'll be back in a couple of hours
[11:22] <ryanakca> jussi01: Sure, I'll ping you when I get to work...
[11:23] <jussi01> ryanakca: ok. Im going out in ~4hours, so please before then.
[11:54] <\sh> guys...I still have problems using KDE (jaunty) and dual head setup...the screen tool of kde detects two monitors (DVI-0 and DVI-1) but I can't set it up to have dual head...any solution to this?
[11:54] <\sh> (ATI oss driver, no fglrx here)
[12:11] <jussi01> \sh: have you manually tried xrandr ?
[12:12] <jussi01> \sh: I have dualhead set up on my ati using the radeon hd driver, I had to use xrandr from the commandline tho
[12:12] <milian> why is qt 4.5.2 not put into 9.04? I mean it's a dot release with bug fixes, no?
[12:12] <milian> esp. the raster engine bugfixes...
[12:14] <Riddell> stable release updates are for critical bugs only
[12:17] <\sh> jussi01: yepp
[12:17] <\sh> jussi01: doesn't work
[12:17] <jussi01> \sh: bleh :/
[12:18] <\sh> jussi01: could be https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/348332
[12:20] <\sh> hmm...that actually has nothing to do with dual head
[12:34] <\sh> jussi01: I have an ATI X1300 ... with a dual monitor cable on it...xrandr tells me dvi-0 and dvi-1 which is correct..but it doesn't work
[12:34] <jussi01> \sh: is that on a laptop?
[12:36] <\sh> jussi01: desktop
[12:36] <jussi01> curious.
[12:36] <\sh> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV516 [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series]
[12:36] <\sh> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV516 [Radeon X1300 Pro] (Secondary)
[12:36] <jussi01> \sh: does it have hdmi on it?
[12:36] <\sh> jussi01: and regarding ATI it's already legacy and not supported
[12:36] <\sh> jussi01: nope..only dmi
[12:37] <\sh> sorry...dvi
[12:37] <\sh> the cable does the separation of the screens...special cable of ati
[12:37] <jussi01> ahh
[13:00] <ryanakca> jussi01: http://pastebin.ca/1498136
[13:00] <jussi01> ryanakca: looking
[13:01] <ryanakca> Riddell: The {Dev, User} of the week, it can go on wiki.k.o/kubuntu/ and on www.kubuntu.org's front page once I get it sorted out?
[13:01] <Riddell> sure
[13:01] <ryanakca> Lovely. I'll get that announcement / call for submissions mailed off to kubuntu-devel in a few minutes
[13:05] <jussi01> ryanakca: that doesnt say much about user of the week...
[13:06] <ryanakca> jussi01: I'm thinking of writing an alternate blurb for the user of the week.
[13:06]  * ryanakca doubts that many users read kubuntu-devel :)
[13:07] <jussi01> ahh, was thinking you were gonna send it to kubuntu users list also
[13:08] <JontheEchidna> DaskreeCH: apparently there's a particular server they can use as a workaround
[13:08] <DaskreeCH> JontheEchidna: Which ?
[13:09] <ryanakca> jussi01: Updated it, http://pastebin.ca/1498148
[13:09]  * JontheEchidna checks the bug report
[13:09] <DaskreeCH> Ah that doesn't sound good
[13:09] <JontheEchidna> cn.scs.msg.yahoo.com port : 5050
[13:11] <DaskreeCH> !yahoo
[13:12] <DaskreeCH> JontheEchidna: Would you like to do the honours? :-)
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> the honours?
[13:15] <DaskreeCH> Change the Factoid to reflect that server
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> maybe that one works too
[13:17] <JontheEchidna> plus I don't know how ;-)
[13:20] <DaskreeCH> JontheEchidna: say !yahoo is then the message you want it to say
[13:20] <DaskreeCH> and that server doesn't work
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> !yahoo At the moment there are many pidgin users experiencing problems connecting to Yahoo IM, you can try changing your paging server to cn.scs.msg.yahoo.com (port 5050) and see if that helps.
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> or not? :P
[13:21] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: you need the is.
[13:21] <jussi01> but Ill get it
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> oh
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> right
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> too early for this crap, hehe
[13:21] <jussi01> !yahoo is <reply>At the moment there are many pidgin users experiencing problems connecting to Yahoo IM, you can try changing your paging server to cn.scs.msg.yahoo.com (port 5050) and see if that helps.
[13:22] <jussi01> !no, yahoo is <reply>At the moment there are many pidgin users experiencing problems connecting to Yahoo IM, you can try changing your paging server to cn.scs.msg.yahoo.com (port 5050) and see if that helps.
[13:22] <jussi01> !yahoo
[13:22] <jussi01> DaskreeCH: JontheEchidna ^
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> :)
[13:22] <DaskreeCH> JontheEchidna: \o/
[13:25] <JontheEchidna> the fact that it's been marked as high, triaged, with an upstream fix since before my vacation is a bit disturbing :(
[13:25] <JontheEchidna> if people dun read the bug tracker I'll just make them aware by other ways ;-)
[13:26]  * JontheEchidna remembers he still has to fix the weather applet in jaunty too
[13:30] <ryanakca> Woah! I just figured out the cause of the problem with the wiki theme and the lines... the javascript rounding script messes them up.
[13:33] <DaskreeCH> Does Multimedia previews work for anyone in Dolphin?
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> have mplayerthumbs installed?
[13:34] <DaskreeCH> To play audio?
[13:34] <ryanakca> compare http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/broken-wiki.png to http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/working-wiki.png :)
[13:34] <DaskreeCH> That seems like an arbritary requirment
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> for video previews, anyway
[13:35] <DaskreeCH> I can't even get Audio previews
[13:36] <DaskreeCH> doesn't matter if they ae free formats or not
[13:36] <DaskreeCH> Though I really should update to rc2 >_>
[13:36] <DaskreeCH> are
[14:24] <ScottK> agateau: Did your notification changes get uploaded yet?
[14:25] <agateau> ScottK: they are commited in trunk, I am in the process of pushing my patches for our packages
[14:26] <agateau> but my life is a bit harder with kdebase being split in three :/
[14:26] <ScottK> agateau: OK.  When you're ready for sponsoring, feel free to give me a ping.
[14:27] <agateau> ScottK: ok, just not sure what you mean with sponsoring... I was thinking about issuing a merge request on LP
[14:27] <ScottK> agateau: That will work.  I mean when it's ready to be uploaded into the archive.
[14:28] <ScottK> Not sure who gets notified on merge requests for our packaging branches.
[14:28] <agateau> ScottK: I was hopping Riddell would be
[14:28] <ScottK> agateau: If he uploads it, that's great too.
[14:31] <Riddell> possibly all of ~kubuntu-members will be
[14:41] <ScottK> That sounds suboptimal.
[14:46] <dantti> ScottK: was maco that said he code's  C + glib?
[14:47] <ScottK> dantti: Yes.  It was maco and maco is a she, not a he.
[14:47] <dantti> ScottK: hmm i was afraid of that.. for me her nick seems he :P
[14:48] <ScottK> Yes, well it's sometimes hard to know.  Now you do.
[14:48] <dantti> ScottK: it's just that there is a segfault in polkit1 and I don't have time nor much glib knowledge to see why that happens..
[14:48] <dantti> yup thanks :D
[14:49] <ScottK> dantti: If you can leave some information, I think she generally reads scrollbacks.
[14:49] <dantti> ScottK: I had polkit1 runnig would be easier to try to finish polkit-qt1 port
[14:49] <ScottK> Of course.
[14:50] <dantti> ScottK: well i have polkit1 from git (no binary packages in debian) and pkexec segfaults in polkit_authority_get (); about line 315 in pkexec.c
[14:50] <dantti> maco: ^^ thanks :D
[14:51] <dantti> that's a polkitlib call i think but i tried to find and it looks like macros and such.. i don't fully understand that :/
[14:52] <agateau> ScottK: Riddell: merge requests issued (hope I did not get anything wrong)
[14:53] <ScottK> agateau: Yes.  It landed in my inbox.  I'll give Riddell first shot at it ....
[14:55] <Riddell> I'm onto it
[14:58] <DaskreeCH> morning rickspencer3
[14:58] <DaskreeCH> hi Riddell
[15:00] <jjesse> morning
[15:25] <freeflying> ScottK: running kubuntu netbook version on a 8.9" netbook
[15:26] <freeflying> ScottK: kdm's greeting box seems too big :)
[15:26] <ScottK> freeflying: What's the display resolution?
[15:26] <freeflying> ScottK: 1024x600
[15:27] <ScottK> OK.
[15:27] <ScottK> freeflying: I'll make a not to look at that and see what we can do.
[15:27] <freeflying> ScottK: those widget are too big too
[15:27] <ScottK> not/note
[15:27] <ScottK> freeflying: The widgets are defiintely a problem.
[15:28] <ScottK> freeflying: The goal is to have something more like http://www.notmart.org/images/netbook-newspaper.png for netbook.
[15:30] <freeflying> ScottK: :)
[15:31] <ScottK> freeflying: Any feedback you have about additional drivers we need to make sure are in the ISO would be very helpful.
[15:31] <ScottK> I recently added the broadcom wireless package.
[15:32] <freeflying> ScottK: for most of recently netbooks, wifi driver is fine
[15:32] <ScottK> Good to know.
[15:33] <freeflying> ScottK: if someone get a netbook with intel's palsbo(graphic), then it would be headache
[15:33] <ScottK> freeflying: Agreed.  Nothing we can do about that from a free software perspective.
[15:34] <freeflying> ScottK: from what I knew from ODMs, atheros/intel/realtek are being used widely
[15:34]  * ScottK nods
[15:38] <Riddell> kwwii has said he'll be looking at the KDM screen, best poke him to make sure anything he does is suitable for netbooks
[15:39] <ScottK> kwwii: Poke
[15:43] <Riddell> he might be travelling back from london today
[15:47] <ScottK> OK
[15:47] <DaskreeCH> Riddell: 27 is Gökmen Göksel
[15:48] <Riddell> DaskreeCH: can you pastebin that? no utf8 on my irc
[15:48] <DaskreeCH> ok in a second
[15:48] <Riddell> agateau: your packaging foo is first rate, only change I'll make is to add the patch names to the changelog so they can be grepped for
[15:49] <agateau> Riddell: thanks :)
[15:49] <DaskreeCH> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/220588/
[15:49] <DaskreeCH> Actually Jeffrai may know for the note I made
[15:50] <DaskreeCH> jefferai: Do you remember the last name of Gökçen ?
[15:53] <Riddell> DaskreeCH: updated, thanks
[15:54] <DaskreeCH> Riddell: Did you get a last name?
[16:01] <Riddell> DaskreeCH: I found something on google
[16:01] <DaskreeCH> Ah Google. Hmm Why didn't I think of that
[16:01] <Riddell> agateau: were these patches discussed on kde-core-devel?
[16:02] <agateau> they were mainly discussed on fd.o list
[16:02] <agateau> then approved by olivier goffart at gcds
[16:02] <agateau> then posted for a day on kde-core-devel
[16:02] <agateau> and committed to trunk
[16:03] <agateau> *on kde-core-devel and plasma-devel
[16:05] <jefferai> DaskreeCH: Gokcel?
[16:05] <Riddell> oh there it is, all these accents in your name make it heard to search for :)
[16:06] <DaskreeCH> jefferai: Yeah apparently google does know all :)
[16:06] <agateau> Riddell: you can send an email to my mother if you want to complain :)
[16:06]  * DaskreeCH vanity searches on when his funeral is going to be held
[16:16] <maco> dantti, ill have a look after work
[16:17] <dantti> maco: thanks :D
[16:24] <ScottK> agateau: What's next after this?
[16:24] <agateau> ScottK: I will probably start to work on the message indicator widget next week
[16:25] <agateau> and a member of Canonical design team is going through the list of applications which use notifications with actions to review them
[16:26] <agateau> and suggest alternatives if the use of notifications does not seem to be appropriate
[16:26] <ScottK> agateau: I've been seeing the changes on the notify-osd wiki.  As long as listing there doesn't equate to a decision to make patches, I think it's good
[16:26] <agateau> ScottK: mmm listing equates reviewing
[16:27] <ScottK> OK.  Once the review is done, then I think we all need to have a conversation about how best to proceed.
[16:27] <agateau> and in some case this will lead to patches
[16:28] <agateau> our idea was to talk with upstream devs to suggest alternatives when notifications do not seem to be the best solution
[16:29] <agateau> i would personally like to have some apps change to take advantage of the message indicator if it's there and use notification with actions if it's not
[16:29] <agateau> but i can't assure this will be the way we go for every apps
[16:29] <agateau> this will be a case-by-case study
[16:30] <ScottK> agateau: Yes, but since we agreed to provide MI for apps that have been patched from Ubuntu, that would do rather more than our agreement on Kubuntu and MI.
[16:30] <ScottK> agateau: I'd suggest if the notification system has actions and MI is present, the user have a per application way to choose which they want.
[16:33] <agateau> ScottK: not sure adding Kubuntu-specific options to the ui is a good idea
[16:33] <kwwii> Riddell, ScottK: hey, I haven't started with kdm yet...need to find a dev to work on actually implementing anything
[16:33] <ScottK> agateau: I don't know that giving the option should be Kubuntu specific.
[16:33] <kwwii> gotta reboot, brb
[16:33] <DaskreeCH> rickspencer3_: how are you?
[16:33] <rickspencer3_> DaskreeCH: a ok
[16:34] <agateau> ScottK: oh, you mean having upstream devs integrate such options?
[16:34] <agateau> ScottK: this will be up to them to decide I think
[16:34] <ScottK> agateau: I was thinking controlling it through a central preference for MI
[16:35] <maco> mmmmm youre reinding me that i was intending to pull down xchat and figure out how to make it talk to the message indicator. guess i need to setup a gnome vm
[16:35] <agateau> ScottK: oh ok
[16:35] <agateau> ScottK: will think about this
[16:36] <agateau> ScottK: this may require extending the MI DBus API
[16:36] <agateau> not sure people will agree on this
[16:36] <ScottK> OK.
[16:36] <ScottK> I can tell you that if I can select which apps use it, I'll almost certainly use it.  If it's all or nothing, I'll go with nothing.
[16:37] <agateau> ok
[16:38] <ScottK> agateau: I know it's different than Gnome, but I think a very KDE way to approach it.
[16:39] <agateau> ScottK: true, and it reminds me of the way one can configure Growl (although this was frowned upon by the design team iirc)
[16:39] <ScottK> agateau: Sure, but the design team are Gnomies.  Of course they frown on it.
[16:40] <agateau> ScottK: actually they have very various backgrounds
[16:40] <ScottK> OK.  Certain of them are.
[16:42] <maco> *snort*
[16:42] <maco> i like growl
[16:46] <seele> Gnomies.. love that name, hehe
[17:01] <DaskreeCH> What's Growl's cllaim to fame?
[17:04] <ScottK> The Mac OS thing that was copied to make notify-osd?
[17:06] <maco> only they're copying the original version that lacked actions and configuration instead of the current thing that's the result of users asking for features
[17:06] <maco> (its a 3rd party notification add-on for osx, by the way, not an apple thing)
[17:06] <maco> but its pretty...
[17:06] <DaskreeCH> Right but how do people hook into it
[17:07] <DaskreeCH> I hear that Firefox does growl notifications from webpages etc
[17:07] <maco> ive never seen that...
[17:07] <maco> adium uses it though, as does XChat Aqua
[17:08] <maco> they both list it as a dependency
[17:08] <maco> which the user has to resolve manually
[17:10] <ScottK> maco: I didn't say they copied it well.
[17:10] <DaskreeCH> Well everyone always holds it up as the Grail of notifications what does it do so well?
[17:11] <maco> not much that knotify doesnt already do, tbh...just prettier
[17:12] <DaskreeCH> which knotify can do right? The backend of knotify isn't tied at all to the front
[17:12] <maco> well it does do the one-notification-at-a-time thing likd n-osd
[17:12] <maco> i like that because umm... WALL OF TEXT
[17:13] <maco> ah, and it has a central way to configure notifications
[17:13] <DaskreeCH> maco: Well along with my interest in having ethereal notifications if you are already clicking there I was thinking about having a rate limiter
[17:13] <ScottK> I think notification appending (which is planned for Knotification) would solve that adequately.
[17:13] <DaskreeCH> maco: So for all apps ?
[17:13] <DaskreeCH> one place?
[17:13] <maco> yes
[17:14] <maco> http://growl.info/screenshots.php
[17:14] <DaskreeCH> that's nifty That's like the Kmix/phonon trick ?
[17:14] <maco> hmm that looks like how ScottK was asking about being able to turn the MI off/on for individual apps ;)
[17:14] <DaskreeCH> ScottK: I don't know if the Notification system should care about the method that the apps are notifying
[17:15] <DaskreeCH>  that assumes good behaviour which is easily ignored/sidestepped/ignoranced past
[17:16] <DaskreeCH> maco: is that a list of possible apps, apps which have ever used Growl or apps which are currently open that can use Growl ?
[17:17] <maco> apps on the system capable of using growl
[17:17] <maco> http://growl.info/documentation/exploring-preferences.php <-- there, that's all the preference screens
[17:19] <DaskreeCH> what I really want in Knotify is to say what should happen to categories of notifications then the ability to make categories
[17:21] <DaskreeCH> maco: That's a crazy number of options. Why am I not surprised that canonical stripped all of them out
[17:22] <maco> hehe yeah many are excessive
[17:22] <maco> like setting the exact shade and opacity of notifications
[17:22] <maco> id rather see that integrated into the theme
[17:22] <DaskreeCH> I'm kinda liking the plasma way so far of having really interesting options exist but you can't see them at all
[17:22] <maco> (like how osd should be using plasma's theme soonish)
[17:23] <DaskreeCH> Well how much can you theme OSX ?
[17:23] <maco> cant
[17:23] <DaskreeCH> That's why they have it
[17:23] <maco> can change if the apple in the corner menu is blue or silver...about it
[17:23] <maco> but on here, id say not to bring such options...just the "which corner?"
[17:24] <DaskreeCH> Well you can drag it anywhere you want
[17:25] <DaskreeCH> Oh you mean keep the systray in one place but have the notifcations turn up elsewhere?
[17:28] <DaskreeCH> why don't you just do that same thing as Amarok?
[17:30] <Riddell> maco: should I add this patch to our packages?  http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1012/
[17:31] <seele> hmm.. was that a papercut? that would have been a good one
[17:32] <Riddell> yes I think so, it's https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/399155
[17:32] <DaskreeCH> btw I vote no arora for Koala by default
[17:32] <maco> apachelogger told me about StartupNotification:false when i mentioned it, so i made it into a patch
[17:33] <rgreening> +1 DaskreeCH (unless new version 0.8 is better)
[17:33] <Riddell> ryanakca: do we link to http://kubuntu.org/kubuntu.rss from anywhere?
[17:33] <rgreening> has anyone got/packaged ver 0.8 arora yet?
[17:33] <ryanakca> Riddell: Anybody who has a newsreader / who follows it does
[17:34] <rgreening> assuming its out...
[17:34] <ryanakca> but I don't think we link to it, apart from on http://www.kubuntu.org/
[17:34] <Riddell> ryanakca: but it should be on the website somewhere surely
[17:34] <Riddell> rgreening: not that I know of
[17:35] <DaskreeCH> Speaking of RSS when did Konqueror stop showing available RSS feeds on a site?
[17:36] <seele> maco is going to be our top karmic bandaider
[17:36] <maco> haha thats just cuz you gave me a megabug
[17:36] <maco> er metabug
[17:36] <maco> yay typng
[17:36]  * maco slaps hands
[17:36] <\sh> guys, I upgraded to karmic and now the screen systemsettings app tells me, I don't have two monitors, indeed I have two, and gnome works as expected...how can I help? (ati X1300 + xorgs ati driver here)
[17:36] <rgreening> Riddell: just checked.. hopefully tomorrow we should have a release to package
[17:37] <seele> maco: the bouncing icon, plus the abort strings, and maybe KNS if you find time in the next few weeks
[17:37] <seele> 3 out of our goal of 10 is pretty good
[17:37] <maco> seele,  as to "was that a papercut" i figured it counted, but i also figured that if i was filing the bug with a patch attached, there was no real point in adding a hundredpapercuts task
[17:37] <seele> maco: psh.. we need the credits :)
[17:38] <maco> haha
[17:38] <apachelogger> hullos
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> hai
[17:39] <ScottK> seele: I'm concerned about translations and the abort strings.
[17:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-netbook/+archive/ppa
[17:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: It's a redirect to /news/feed I think... The redirects don't make sense though, http://pastebin.ca/1498421
[17:40] <seele> are bug 392278 and bug 392281 related?
[17:40] <seele> ScottK: what do you mean
[17:41] <seele> we have translations for "Cancel" and "Exit" we would just need to update them
[17:41] <Riddell> ryanakca: weird
[17:41] <seele> and for all we know, they could already be translated that way because Abort is such an awkward and technical phrase
[17:42] <ScottK> seele: OK.  Well I'm not an expert in translations.  I know we have roughly no one doing KDE stuff in Rosetta because it's been so borked for so long.
[17:42] <mgraesslin> seele: the bugs are not directly related
[17:42] <seele> mgraesslin: ok.. they just seemed like they could be, but what do i know ;)
[17:42] <mgraesslin> the slow resizing is a problem in the way kwin does resizing :-(
[17:42] <mgraesslin> the general slowness is buggy drivers
[17:43] <apachelogger> hm
[17:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: I suppose it would be an advantage if the package contained anything?
[17:43] <mgraesslin> btw would it be possible to automatically cc me in each bug tagged as "kwin"?
[17:44] <DaskreeCH> \sh: Bug filing :-)
[17:45] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: we don't use tags for that kind of stuff really
[17:45] <mgraesslin> sad
[17:45]  * apachelogger thinks that on a technical scale malone should just support multiple bins per source package TBH
[17:45] <mgraesslin> would have been useful as I in general know if there is an upstream bug ;-)
[17:45] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: well, we can manually subscribe you when triaging
[17:46] <apachelogger> which is about the same amount of work anyway
[17:46] <maco> mgraesslin, you can subscribe to the package....
[17:47] <maco> or does kwin not have a package?
[17:47] <seele> oh
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> kwin is part of kdebase-workspace
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> which has a lot of programs in it
[17:47] <seele> Riddell: printing.
[17:47] <seele> rather.. maybe it should be
[17:47] <maco> oh umm...subscribe to kdebase-workspace and then setup filters in your email to ditch all the ones that dont say "kwin" in them?
[17:47] <seele> Riddell: printing? :P
[17:48] <mgraesslin> maco: would probably only catch about 10 %
[17:48] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'll try linking to the RSS from the front page, hopefully it won't croak :)
[17:48] <maco> oh. boo.
[17:48] <mgraesslin> as people shouldn't know that there is an app called kwin
[17:48] <Riddell> seele: that would be nice, hopefully I'll have time one day
[17:49] <seele> Riddell: waaah.. is that something that aurelian could be responsible for?
[17:50] <Riddell> I suspect not.  who knows, maybe I'll find time in the next couple of weeks
[17:51] <\sh> DaskreeCH: it's a long time bug for KDE not to work with more then one monitor since ages ;)
[17:51]  * apachelogger never noticed
[17:51] <maco> works4me
[17:52]  * \sh sends an ati x1300 card to apachelogger 
[17:52] <apachelogger> INTEL FTW!
[17:52] <seele> what do other distros use for printing config? the old kde3 version or something custom?
[17:52] <maco> except when my external monitor is turned off :D
[17:52] <maco> yes, intel ftw
[17:52] <apachelogger> mhhh, monopoly
[17:52] <apachelogger> muahahaha
[17:52] <\sh> harhar
[17:52]  * apachelogger does the robot rock
[17:54] <\sh> I really wonder why kde behaves differently from gnome even with xrandr
[17:55] <Riddell> maco: I added that patch to your kdebase bzr.  do you know if anyone upstream is looking at it?
[17:57] <maco> Riddell, nobody's commented on it yet :-/
[17:57] <maco> shall i ask in #kde-devel?
[18:03] <Riddell> maco: I'm not sure how reviewboard normally works, dfaure would be an obvious choice for review but he's not around, maybe ask on kfm-devel list
[18:05] <DaskreeCH> Does anyone know why the option to add a panel would disappear?
[18:07] <ryanakca> Riddell: We'll have to bug the sysadmins to get it added to the front page, we can't modify it because it has PHP...
[18:14] <Riddell> ryanakca: hmm, fooey
[18:19] <EagleScreen> has Arora got its debugging symbols on?
[18:21] <maco> Riddell, asking in #kde-devel and #konqueror is being unsuccessful
[18:22] <DaskreeCH> No add Panel in Folderview view
[18:23] <Riddell> EagleScreen: probably not, see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingProgramCrash for how to install ddebs
[18:24] <EagleScreen> yeah
[18:24] <Riddell> maco: post it to the kfm-devel mailing list and if nobody replies I can just commit
[18:24] <maco> subscribing to the list now...
[18:25] <Riddell> how does this look?  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UbuntuComparison
[18:27] <maco> you forgot "Color: Blue | Brown"
[18:27] <maco> for those who like to whine about the brown ;)
[18:28] <maco> meanwhile im thinking about making a human plasma theme if i cant hunt one down
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> ...or those who think kubuntu is "depressingly #255 blue" :P
[18:28] <DaskreeCH> We allow semi naked  people!
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> maco: it should be possible to already do a layout like gnome: http://jtechinda.blogspot.com/2008/09/power-of-plasma.html so I suppose you'd just need the plasma theme
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> come to think of it, my Oxygen Connectoins ripped off Air before it was ever made
[18:33] <maco> JontheEchidna, your blog comments are all spammified
[18:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping ping ping
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> #@^&
[18:34]  * JontheEchidna sighs
[18:35] <DaskreeCH> JontheEchidna: Still needs the Blobish Menu :-P
[18:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Considering Kubuntu Hardy vaporizes in in 3 months, I wouldn't mention it in enterpise readyness.
[18:37]  * ScottK thinks the Kubuntu section for that should just say "coming soon".
[18:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: pong?
[18:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: for kubuntu-netbook-settings we want to use cascading configs in the form home=>kns=>kds, so either we alternate kde4rc to add kns to the loop or (which is what I want to do) add an Xsession file that sets KDEDIRS accordingly
[18:40] <apachelogger> what do you think?
[18:40] <apachelogger> the Xsession approach also enables us to use similar techniques for any future settings package
[18:41] <apachelogger> + since it is Xsession it will also apply to kde apps in gnome
[18:41] <maco> Riddell, email sent
[18:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: Xsession as in .xsession or /etc/X11/Xsession.d ?
[18:44] <apachelogger> the latter
[18:44] <apachelogger> just add 90kubuntu-netbook with export KDEDIRS=$FOOBAR:$KDEDIRS
[18:49] <Riddell> that seems fine apachelogger
[18:49] <Riddell> the other way would be a session you select from KDM, but then I don't know how you'd not have the normal KDE one installed
[18:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, that would make the settings not affect kde apps in gnome
[18:59] <Riddell> right
[19:00] <Riddell> so go with your way
[19:00] <apachelogger> k, thx
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> This time it has everything except the wordy menus that gnome has: http://imagebin.ca/view/bqigN2GY.html
[19:29] <Sime_> Riddell: will there be a jaunty package of python-qt4 4.5.2?
[19:34] <Riddell> Sime_: I don't plan any, is there a paticular need?
[19:35] <Sime_> Riddell: I want KDE 4.3 on jaunty with bindings of course..
[19:35] <Sime_> Riddell: I guess I can DYI.
[19:35] <Sime_> DIY
[19:44] <Riddell> probably needs sip too I guess
[19:49] <Sime_> yep
[20:02] <maco> my git-fu is nil
[20:03] <maco> how do i find the .git to checkout on http://cgit.freedesktop.org/PolicyKit/tree/ ?
[20:09] <ScottK> maco: Try git-gui
[20:10] <maco> umm... how's that going to help me find out the url to checkout?
[20:11] <maco> there's probably some canonical way it arranges things.....i just dont know it
[20:11] <ScottK> It'll make it a lot easier to try a url and see if it works.
[20:11] <ScottK> Some actual git foo that I don't rember is required otherwise.
[20:12] <maco> oh umm it actually looks like its jsut that url
[20:12] <maco> i thought it was usually a file ending in .git
[20:12] <maco> just did git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/PolicyKit
[20:13] <dantti> maco: yep that's it, you did before i could type :P
[20:30] <Riddell> Soprano 2.3.0 out if anyone wants to package it
[21:17] <ScottK> davidbarth: I tried to give your team some good news visibility http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2009/07/kubuntu_ayatana_has_arrived.html
[21:23] <davidbarth> ScottK: hey nice, thanks! ;)
[21:23] <ScottK> davidbarth: It's a great piece of news and I think demonstrates the value of the model we agreed on.
[21:25] <davidbarth> ScottK: i'm delighted by the progresses agateau made on the patches, the spec and now tackling the apps themselves
[21:26] <Monika|K> I must have been living under a rock for the last half year, then, I have never heard of Ayatana.
[21:26] <davidbarth> ScottK: i really appreciate your support here
[21:26] <davidbarth> Monika|K: ;)
[21:26] <ScottK> Monika|K: Lucky you.  The first bits were painful.  Much better now.
[21:27] <davidbarth> Monika|K: that's our cross-desktop initiative to help improve/enhance parts of the desktop with the help of our design team
[21:27] <ScottK> davidbarth: Does the project have an actual web site beyone the LP page for the discussion list?
[21:27] <davidbarth> time for me to pack before leaving for the sea
[21:27] <davidbarth> there is blog.ayatana.org that we've opened recently
[21:27] <ScottK> I tried to find one to link to for the blog post and couldn't.
[21:28] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[21:28] <davidbarth> but please do point to the launchpad page, that's better for now
[21:28] <ScottK> OK
[21:28] <davidbarth> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/ayatana
[21:29] <ScottK> I think that's the one I used.  I'll check.
[21:36] <maco> ScottK, what was changed in kde to go with it?
[21:37] <maco> i know notify-osd was being changed to match plasma (That committed yet? i remember the uds demo), what changed in kde?
[21:37] <ScottK> maco: KNotificiation now listens on the dbus and acts as an XDG notification server.
[21:38] <ScottK> So your Gnome apps talk to it instead of notify-osf or libnotification.
[21:39] <ScottK> maco: So no more need to run two notification apps when in KDE.
[21:39] <ScottK> notify-osf/notify-osd
[21:39] <maco> oh!
[21:39] <maco> yay
[21:39] <ScottK> Right.  We actually managed to do the smart solution.
[22:03] <DaskreeCH> Does Ubiquity enforce a certain size on / ?
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> last time I checked it doesn't accept anything under 2 GB (but that's still not really enough in my experience)
[22:05] <JontheEchidna> when I was new to kubuntu I set it to 4 thinking double the minimu be good
[22:05] <JontheEchidna> I ran out of disk space :(
[22:06] <DaskreeCH> Uh huh :)
[22:06] <DaskreeCH> Well apparently it's demanding 6 now
[22:07] <ScottK> DaskreeCH: I don't think so.  I did an install with 4 earlier in the week.
[22:07] <ScottK> It may have changed since then.
[22:07] <DaskreeCH> I'll checkwhat this person is doing then
[22:29] <CIA-74> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r6 plasma-netbook-nightly/debian/plasma-netbook.install: Fix installation
[22:29] <CIA-74> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r7 plasma-netbook-nightly/plasma-netbook-nightly.rb: Change dput.cf name to kubuntu-netbook-nightly
[22:52] <apachelogger> oh
[22:52] <apachelogger> smarter caused a regression :D
[23:01] <ScottK> Who sponsored the regression?
[23:02] <CIA-74> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r295 kubuntu-default-settings/ (Makefile debian/changelog debian/control):
[23:02] <CIA-74> Kubuntu: * Don't install kdeglobals to /etc/kde4 (previously introduced workaround),
[23:02] <CIA-74> Kubuntu:  it appears that now the settings get applied from the profile as well.
[23:02] <CIA-74> Kubuntu:  Also, it prevents additional default-settings packages to override
[23:02] <CIA-74> Kubuntu:  settings already defined in this kdeglobals (e.g. fonts) (LP: #372302)
[23:02] <CIA-74> Kubuntu: * Bump Standards-Version to 3.8.2
[23:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, it is no obvious one anyway
[23:03] <ScottK> OK
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> bug 372302
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> oh, that one
[23:05] <apachelogger> is konversation in karmic the KDE 4 version?
[23:05] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> yus
[23:05] <ScottK> apachelogger: Also in jaunty-backports.
[23:06] <apachelogger> ok
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> quite stable, too
[23:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, I am removing unneeded KDE 3 configs form kds
[23:06] <apachelogger> if you feel like it, port it to their KDE 4 versions
[23:07] <apachelogger> !info skim karmic
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> skim: really frikkin' old
[23:07] <apachelogger> *nod*
[23:07] <apachelogger> I am wondering if it still works with KDE 3
[23:07] <apachelogger> because if it does, it might make sense to keep its config around
[23:09] <JontheEchidna> looks like we wanna port over the default konvi settings, I'll look in to that
[23:09] <ScottK> It's still KDE3
[23:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, in case of skim that doesn't mean that it actually works
[23:09] <ScottK> Certainly
[23:14] <CIA-74> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r296 kubuntu-default-settings/ (349 files in 14 dirs):
[23:14] <CIA-74> Kubuntu: * KDE 3:
[23:14] <CIA-74> Kubuntu:  - remove kaffeine icons
[23:14] <CIA-74> Kubuntu:  - remove configs for kaffeine, k3b, konversation, kuriikwsfilter, knemo,
[23:14] <CIA-74> Kubuntu:  kmplayer
[23:14] <CIA-74> Kubuntu:  - remove all artwork
[23:16] <CIA-74> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r297 kubuntu-default-settings/ (44 files in 10 dirs): Remove unused artwork/desktoptheme (slimglow)
[23:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, when doing a release you should commit using debcommit -R -r
[23:18] <apachelogger> will create a bzr tag and autocreated the commit message
[23:28] <toma> hi!
[23:29] <Monika|K> hi
[23:29] <toma> if i want to close a bug because the bug is fixed upstream, so i close it with 'Fix committed" ?
[23:29] <toma> s/so/do
[23:29] <Monika|K> I wondered the same thing this week
[23:30] <toma> Riddell, nixternal: around?
[23:30] <ScottK> Fix committed doesn't close it, but if it's fixed upstream, but not yet in Kubuntu, that's the appropriate status.
[23:31] <toma> ScottK: okido, i'm not aware of your release schedule currently, but is there a sync from debian active?
[23:32] <ScottK> toma: Not automatic.  We can do it manually though
[23:32] <toma> ScottK: awesome, let me check which patches you have
[23:36] <toma> ScottK: nothing special, can i request the sync anywhere? I'm only upstream, so I've no idea about the current kubuntu policies regarding that
[23:45] <CIA-74> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r1 kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/ (12 files in 4 dirs): Initial Release
[23:59] <CIA-74> Kubuntu: apachelogger * r2 kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/90kubuntu-netbook: Make the env var actually work by appending kds