[00:22] <rww> My pc speaker isn't working in Karmic. It works fine during POST on bootup, and the pcspkr module is loaded. Any suggestions?
[00:29] <BUGabundo> rww: it was disabled from the kernel
[00:29] <BUGabundo> lots of discussion on the list about that
[00:30] <BUGabundo> some said: "its 2009, who still uses a speaker?"
[00:31] <rww> BUGabundo: do you happen to have a link, or remember which list?
[00:31] <BUGabundo> devel or devel-discuss
[00:31] <BUGabundo> try 3 months ago
[00:31]  * BUGabundo and with this I leave you .
[00:33] <rww> BUGabundo: aha, found it. thanks
[00:43] <DanaG> It took disabling dnsmasq for NM sharing to work.
[00:43] <DanaG> Oh, and Intel cards won't do Master mode.
[00:44] <DanaG> I'm curious to see a link to that discussion.
[01:35] <coz_> hey guys how do I     upgrade  kubuntu 9.04 ro 9.10 for testing?
[01:44] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/385616
[01:44] <DanaG> YARGH
[01:51] <DanaG> oh, and if I kill notify-osd... what is it that brings it back, magically?
[02:57] <bcurtiswx> how do i get sound events to work in empathy?
[03:12] <coz_> can anyone tell me how to upgrade kubuntu 9.04  to 9.10?
[03:13] <bcurtiswx> if the command line is the same in both Ku and U... its update-manager -d
[03:13] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  there is  no update-manager in kubuntu
[03:14] <bcurtiswx> coz_, what are you upgrading from? 8.10?
[03:14] <coz_> 9.04
[03:15] <coz_> I had done this about 2 weeks  ago but  forgot the procedure  it is definitly not update-manager
[03:16] <m3ga> ubuntu-bug crashes with "Could not import module, is a package upgrade in progress? Error: No module named launchpadlib.errors". i raised a bug (#398599) about a week ago but there has been no response. i would have thought this was kind of important. right?
[03:19] <bcurtiswx> coz_: is it adept?
[03:19] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  no no adept on kde   either
[03:19] <bcurtiswx> i feel like im playing hangman here
[03:20] <coz_> lol
[03:20] <coz_> yeah I found it online 2 weeks ago and cant find it now
[03:20] <coz_> no adept and no update-manager on kubuntu  but let me ch eck again
[03:20] <coz_> nope
[03:21] <coz_> and the pacakge manager has nothing I can see for upgradeint to karmic
[03:21] <bcurtiswx> update-notifier-kde  do a man on that, see if theres a dist-upgrade thingie
[03:21] <coz_> ok h old on
[03:22] <coz_> no man entry
[03:23] <bcurtiswx> press alt-F2 and run update-notifier-kde -u
[03:23] <coz_> ok
[03:23] <coz_> nothing let me try it in terminal
[03:24] <coz_> no new updates available
[03:24] <bcurtiswx> maybe -d
[03:24] <coz_> no  undocumented  it says
[03:24] <coz_> this is odd  I will keep googling
[03:25] <bcurtiswx> k
[03:26] <Pici> Instructions are in the channel's topic.
[03:29] <coz_> Pici,  I dont see it there ...the last link  goes to ubuntu with the  update-manager -d  command which wont work on kubuntu
[03:35] <Pici> coz_: Try sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[03:36] <coz_> ok hold on
[03:36] <coz_> Pici,  that seems to be doing something :)
[03:37] <coz_> I will make note of that  ...thanks  guy
[03:38] <bcurtiswx> happy upgrading coz_
[03:38] <coz_> thanks again gys
[03:38] <coz_> guys
[03:38] <coz_> be back if this works out :)
[03:56] <DanaG> try -c -d
[04:44] <billybigrigger_> anyone here use remote desktop?
[06:28] <andresmh> since switching to 9.10 my sleep mode only works once
[06:29] <andresmh> that is, my laptop can  go to sleep once and come back but after that "sleep" is not a viable option
[06:48] <Tefad> #ubuntu was a bit unresponsive.. i'm on 9.04 but i'm trying to use ext4 with journal disabled.. where can i prod people for their knowings?
[06:48] <Tefad> i am using 2.6.30 kernel
[06:54] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kexec-tools/+bug/400397
[06:54] <DanaG> yargh.
[06:58] <DanaG> ah, had to delete the db_stop line from /var/lib/dpkg/info/kexec-tools.postinst
[07:00] <Tefad> DanaG: perhaps you can tell me where i need to be
[07:00] <DanaG> oh, I use things with journal enabled; you've googled for "ext4 disable journaling"?
[07:00] <DanaG> or "ext4 without journaling"
[07:04] <DanaG> heh, installing to linux-backports-modules changed iwlagn from 1.3.27k to 1.3.27ks
[07:05] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/module-init-tools/+bug/378328
[07:06] <DanaG> weird... I've had iTCO_wdt loading for ages, and never had it cause reboots, unless I specifically "poke" the watchdog.
[07:14] <Tefad> DanaG: yeah i did that
[07:15] <Tefad> that's why i'm using kernel 2.6.30
[07:15] <Tefad> 28 doesn't like ^has_journal
[07:15] <Tefad> i can mount arbitrary ^has_journal while OS is running
[07:15] <Tefad> but i can't boot one
[07:16] <Tefad> with .28 i wasn't able to do any mounting of ^has_journal ext4 fs
[07:28] <DanaG> Odd.
[07:29] <DanaG> oh yeah, try rootflags= on kernel command line?
[07:29] <DanaG> you'd have to find the corresponding 'mount' option.
[07:29] <DanaG> ... and make sure rootflags matches fstab.
[07:31] <DanaG> 'man mount', perhaps.
[07:31] <Tefad> rootflags you say.. thanks for the tip
[07:32] <Tefad> mount option for what? no journal?
[07:32] <Tefad> it's an fs feature not a mount option iirc
[07:32] <DanaG> maybe data=ordered (or whatever was the "skip the journal" thing).
[07:33] <DanaG>   * 01-alsa-plugins-pulse-Implement-pause.patch: Add pause support to the pulseaudio plugin, taken from git master.
[07:33] <DanaG> "pause" support?
[07:33] <DanaG> oh yeah, have to go to bed now-ish.
[07:33] <DanaG> Thu Jul 16 23:33:14 PDT 2009
[07:34] <DanaG> What you have to do, depends on the exact message you're getting when booting fails.
[07:34] <DanaG> Anyway, I have to go now.
[07:48] <maxb> Has anyone noticed weird problems with ssh sessions *to* karmic machines not exiting cleanly - instead hanging when you try to logout?
[07:48] <nhasian> hello everyone
[08:17] <ripps> An extra volume slider suddenly appeared in my notification area, I already have a volume control applet, what's the deal?
[08:18] <RAOF> Orly?  That'd be the super-duper pulseaudio-backed gnome-volume-control, I'd guess.
[08:18] <RAOF> I thought that it wouldn't appear when you've already got a volume control applet, though.
[08:19] <ripps> Not to mention that I get damn kernel oops every 5 minutes. This kerenel is definately unstable
[08:19] <RAOF> Yay drivers!
[08:26] <ripps> I had to switch my default file browser to thunar because nautilus was causing so many slow downs and freezes. It might not be nautilus's fault, it might just be exposing problems in the kernel's disk reading capabilities
[09:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi, what is the package (that I uninstalled by mistake) that will let me get the latest kernel on upgrades?
[09:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> maybe just linux-image?
[10:31] <m3ga> nautilus is repeatedly crashing and restarting on me. is there a log file that might tell me why?
[10:38] <drs305> m3ga: Is it opening hundreds of instances?
[10:39] <m3ga> no, i think its a single one which dies and gets restarted
[10:43] <drs305> m3ga: Each time I install a new release I get hundreds of nautilus browsers trying to open. I've found the solution to that but it's not what's happening to you apparently.  :-(
[10:51] <m3ga> i'd actually be happy to kill it altogether, but i  can't apt-get remove it  because that remove gdm
[11:14] <elky> m3ga, at one point in time, nautilus used to spit out a nautilus-debug-log.txt file into one's home directory upon death, does that not happen any more?
[11:21] <m3ga> elky: no sign of any such debug log.
[11:22] <elky> m3ga, darn. i wonder if there's a way to launch it that makes it spit that out
[11:24] <m3ga> like i said, i'd be happy to disable nautilus altogether
[11:24] <elky> well, if it's only removing gdm, replace gdm
[11:25] <m3ga> and gnome-session which is mildly useful
[11:25] <elky> hmm, drat.
[11:27] <maxb> Has anyone noticed that when logging out of a ssh session to a karmic server, it often hangs?
[11:27] <m3ga> removing nautilus from gconf item /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/filemanager should disable it :-).
[11:28] <elky> http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:GNOME#Nautilus should apparently give you the above .txt if you want to figure the actual problem, too
[11:33] <kholerabbi> Will Karmic use plymouth or usplash?
[11:36] <ripps_> kholerabbi: usplash, they were going to use plymouth, but decided it was unnecessary since they're trying to make boot up as quick as possible, why bother with pretties on something that's only going to be up for a few seconds
[11:38] <kholerabbi> OK thanks
[13:05] <ripps> *sigh* computer froze again. blinking caps and numlock. I really wish these instabilities would go away soon.
[13:19] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[13:40] <Supersaiyan_IV> http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2009-July/069714.html Root hole in Linux 2.6.30 including a creative new exploit for NULL-dereferences
[13:43] <Pici> Supersaiyan_IV: And?
[13:44] <Supersaiyan_IV> Pici, I thought people should know? Thats what a community is for?
[13:44] <Supersaiyan_IV> Pici, anything else you want to say?
[13:44] <Pici> Supersaiyan_IV: I thought you were asking a question, nevermind.
[13:47] <Ranakah> Supersaiyan_IV if you don't have pulseaudio is not exploitable :D
[13:47] <Supersaiyan_IV> Ranakah, unfortunately im too lazy to switch to oss :P
[13:47] <Ranakah> http://pastebin.com/m48f871f6
[13:47] <Ranakah> i remove pulse and install esound.. nice and clean sound :)
[13:47] <Supersaiyan_IV> interesting
[13:48] <Supersaiyan_IV> Ranakah, im trying to use an equalizer with xmms2 and i have no way of telling if it actually works
[13:48] <Supersaiyan_IV> most likely answer, no xD
[13:50] <Ranakah> heh.. no :D
[13:50] <Ranakah> i don't see any useable equalizer in linux :D only in vlc player :D
[13:51] <Supersaiyan_IV> oh, but there are, xmms2 has a 31band equalizer
[13:51] <Supersaiyan_IV> next step is making it work :p
[14:00] <Ranakah> hihi :D then report me if work :D
[14:13] <Supersaiyan_IV> Ranakah, got it working
[14:13] <Supersaiyan_IV> Ranakah, http://amot.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/how-to-add-an-xmms2-installation-eqpy-and-lxmusic-client-to-your-gentoo-install-via-the-zugaina-overlay-with-layman/
[14:14] <Supersaiyan_IV> i was configuring it manually without the eq.py file, which seemed to mess things up
[14:14] <Ranakah> okay tnx.. i'll try :)
[14:14] <Supersaiyan_IV> aaah, the bass boost :D
[14:14]  * Supersaiyan_IV xmms2 [audio/mpeg] The Acacia Strain - Burn Face (The Dead Walk) [1:23/2:33] 320 kbit/s
[14:15] <Ranakah> hehe :D
[14:42] <Supersaiyan_IV> Ranakah, just noticed, that must be the most hq/cpu consuming equalizer ever
[14:42] <Supersaiyan_IV> 25% cpu
[14:50] <Supersaiyan_IV> ok, the cpu races only dring silence
[14:50] <Supersaiyan_IV> bug
[15:35] <Supersaiyan_IV> Could somebody try reproducing a bug for me? In compiz, enable the 'scale' plugin, then run a gedit instance, initiate the 'scale' window picker 'for all windows', then kill the gedit instance with mouse3 while in window picker
[15:36] <Supersaiyan_IV> this should cause a Gnome crash
[17:15] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035
[17:15] <dupondje> this bug is extremely annoying :(
[17:35] <yofel> dupondje: maybe because you're the only one that's affected?
[17:37] <BluesKaj> dupondje, maybe check your source.list , it may need some judicious editing of old or outdated repos
[17:37] <BluesKaj> err sources.list
[17:44] <dupondje> yofel: thats weird, having it every time :(
[17:44] <dupondje> apt-get works perfectly
[17:44] <dupondje> aptitude breaks
[17:49] <yofel> dupondje: what's your vt?
[17:50] <dupondje> vt ?
[17:50] <yofel> xterm/gnome-terminal/konsole whatever
[17:53] <dupondje> gnome-terminal
[17:54] <bmunger> im surprised the package "firefox" doesnt install 3.5.x yet... anyone know the reason behind this?
[17:57] <itswhatev> i added a daily repo or something,  shows up as xxxPre1
[17:58] <bmunger> yea problem is, daily can be unstable
[17:59] <itswhatev> i keep ff 3.0 on hand for that.. i am more eagerly anticipating the port of chrome
[18:02] <BluesKaj> itswhatev, chromium, the open source chrome-linux browser is available but it's still not media ready with permanent plugins for java & flash , altho they are available if one enables them in the cli
[18:02] <BluesKaj> itswhatev, checkout #chromium
[18:03] <itswhatev> BluesKaj: cool!  i guess i didn't pay due diligence to my reader like i thought :O
[18:06] <BluesKaj> itswhatev, well it's not as if it's ready for prime time. By the tone of the chromium chatroom , devs aren't encouraging use by ppl who expect full browsing capabilities  :)
[18:07] <itswhatev> BluesKaj: i just want to watch it render something :D
[18:07] <BluesKaj> it's fun to fool around with tho
[18:07] <itswhatev> it's straight c?
[18:08] <BluesKaj> no i don't think so , but you can ask them
[18:14] <BluesKaj> Qt and GTK are written in C and chromium has adopted  GTK+ so it looks good on gnome from what I''ve read so far
[18:19] <itswhatev> oops, chromium is not the same thing as chromium-browser :O
[18:52] <DanaG> odd, if I try to EFI-boot my laptop, it fails to mount the root filesystem.
[18:54] <DanaG> It either identifies it (ext4 partition) as ext3 (and fails to mount), or booting with rootfstype=ext4 gives "unable to mount root on unknown-block(0,0)"
[18:54] <DanaG> ... or booting with /dev/sda6 instead of UUID gives "unable to run 'init" -- or something like that.
[19:23] <seeds> can't connect to wpa network in kde.  i wonder what's going on?
[19:33] <veck> anyone know how to fix this error?http://pastebin.com/m37f0b78d
[19:45] <charlie-tca> veck: try this - http://maxolasersquad.blogspot.com/2009/05/resolving-apt-key-signature-problems-in.html
[20:05] <dvz-_> hey.  so i just updated 9.10 yesterday with a lot of updates...changed my login screen and whatnot, and now when I change workspaces or open terminal or use other programs, the screen starts flickering horizontally and then resumes a semi-still composure until i move the mouse over a button or switch spaces.
[20:05] <veck> charlie-tca: thnx figured it out was messing with bleeding edge graphics drivers and forgot what I was doing thnx again!
[20:05] <veck> charlie-tca: x-org-edgers
[20:08] <veck> dvz-_: what kernal upgrade did you go to?
[20:09] <veck> dvz-_: 2.6.31-1.13
[20:14] <dvz-_>   2.6.31-3-generic
[20:27] <veck> dvz-_: I did a clean install, sometimes upgrade breaks stuff did you do safe-upgrade or full?
[20:32] <ripps> Whenever I plug my usb harddrive in, I get a kernel oops and then suddenly all my terminals stop working. They freeze and no new shells can be started. It's very weird. I can start purely graphical apps, but any apps the create commandline output won't start
[20:36] <dvz-_> veck, no clue..just executed my alias for "sudo aptitude update && sudo update-manager -d"
[20:38] <Sarvatt_> dvz-_: intel graphics? if so, try installing the 2.6.31-2 kernel
[20:44] <jpds> donspaulding: Happy to help you here tho :)
[20:44] <donspaulding> ok, so I updated my jaunty box to karmic (by editing sources.list && update && upgrade && dist-upgrade), rebooted and got a grub "Error 2" message on boot.
[20:45] <donspaulding> I'm booted up right now with the jaunty live cd.  how do I reinstall grub for the karmic installation from the jaunty livecd?
[20:45] <jpds> donspaulding: You have to mount your / partition on your disk to a directory somewhere (like /media/karmic) and do: chroot /media/karmic /bin/bash
[20:46] <jpds> donspaulding: From there, you should be able to run apt-get and reinstall it.
[20:46] <donspaulding> jpds: yeah, I started to do that, but I don't see my / part under /dev, there's no /dev/hda4 like there usually is.
[20:46] <jpds> donspaulding: Try /dev/sd*
[20:47] <donspaulding> jpds: not that either, it's typically recognized as hda4 on this machine, but right now /dev has about 15 dirs underneath it, no hd* or sd*
[20:47] <jpds> donspaulding: How odd...
[20:48] <donspaulding> jpds: hmm, that was as the livecd user, root sees it differently
[20:49] <donspaulding> now I do:  root@ubuntu:~# mount /dev/sda4 /media/ubu/
[20:49] <donspaulding> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda4,
[20:49] <jpds> donspaulding: Hmm, maybe try the other numbers under: ls /dev/sd*
[20:49] <donspaulding> sure, hang on
[20:51] <donspaulding> the other three work (one is a suse install, one is my /home partition, one is swap)
[20:51] <jpds> donspaulding: Try running fsck on it.
[20:52] <Sarvatt_> what filesystem is it?
[20:52] <donspaulding> ext3
[20:52] <donspaulding> dmesg|tail has some more info on the failure, I'll paste it
[20:53] <Sarvatt_> mount -t ext3 /dev/sda4 /media/ubu ?
[20:53] <donspaulding> http://pastebin.com/m4f2cf2e9
[20:54] <donspaulding> Sarvatt_: same thing even when I specify the type.
[20:55] <donspaulding> the reboot directly before I upgraded to Karmic, an automatic fsck on boot finished cleanly
[20:57] <donspaulding> I then upgraded to Karmic, and (aside from broken dependencies I saw in OOo packages) everything went smoothly.  I rebooted to activate the new kernel, and was met with the grub error.
[20:57] <donspaulding> I did see that the grub package was updated on my way to karmic, but I wouldn't expect even a broken grub to then render my / fs unmountable.
[20:58] <donspaulding> I assume my only recourse at this point is an fsck -y /dev/sda4? ?
[21:00] <veck> donspaulding: I had to go in and remove the --no-floppy from the grub to boot after upgrade
[21:00] <donspaulding> veck: yeah, but at this point, until I fsck the partition, I can't even mess with grub.
[21:00] <donspaulding> :-/
[21:01] <veck> donspaulding: you can mount from live cd and kdesudo kate to edit
[21:02] <donspaulding> veck: I don't think you're reading my problem right.
[21:02] <donspaulding> ok, fsck'd it and it seemed to complain about a lot of directory counts being off, but it didn't have to connect anything to l+f so I think I'm gonna try a reboot now.
[21:02] <donspaulding> if you don't hear from me again, thanks ;-)
[21:03] <veck> donspaulding: good luck to you
[21:22] <BUGabundo> hey everyone
[21:22] <BUGabundo> anything I should be aware, before I boot to my usb stick and format?