=== asac_ is now known as asac === robert_ancell__ is now known as robert_ancell [01:18] the #ubuntu folks told me to come here, even though the most recent version I've found this problem on is Jaunty (haven't tried Karmic yet). Late in Jaunty's dev cycle I ran into a problem where my T61 would work fine for hours, then it would start behaving weirdly and I'd realize the / fs was mounted read-only. A subsequent reboot would result in being dumped to a shell after the automatic fsck failed with some UN [01:20] I bought a new hard drive, thinking that was the problem, reinstalled Jaunty (before it had been an apt-get upgrade && dist-upgrade) and ran into the same problem. [01:22] I installed suse 11.1, and haven't had a problem for 2 months. Reinstalled the released version of jaunty yesterday, bam, same problem. It doesn't seem to matter if I use kernel 28-11 or 28-13, both cause problems. This guy (when not complaining) looks to have experienced the exact same thing as me http://abing.gotdns.com/posts/2009/ubuntu-904-jaunty-jackalope/ [01:23] anyway, I suppose people in this channel have moved beyond Jaunty, but in case it rang any bells with anyone, I wanted to bring it up. [01:53] * TheMuso sighs at drive by comments. [02:38] TheMuso, he pays for support, damnit, it should be instant! [02:39] * TheMuso sighs at drive by comments.eh [02:39] gah [02:39] heh [02:40] wonder if he used lvm [02:41] i watched dtchen's ext3 choke and get mounted read-only then fsck ate the data [02:41] but he said he'd only seen it with lvm, and the error log sounded like something lvm-able [02:42] I was wondering whether he was using ext4. [02:45] reiserfs! === Pici` is now known as Pici === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [05:52] cjwatson: Works; thanks [06:02] pushed [06:27] good morning [06:36] dholbach: morning Daniel :) [06:37] hey jussi01 [06:52] ARGH !!!! [06:52] ogra: GOOD MORNING!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) [06:52] so todays update completely reordered all files on my desktop [06:52] * ogra curses [06:53] dholbach, hey, morning :) [06:53] happened to me too [06:53] don't bother reordering them :) [06:53] well, thats how i keep track of priorities of stuff i work on :) [06:53] little desktop icon clusters :) [06:54] that explains a lot [06:54] just kidding ;-) [06:54] heh [06:54] try gtg - it's REALLY good stuff [06:57] looks like something tomboyish [06:57] hm? [06:57] gtg [06:57] I like it because you can categorise and tag stuff, assign due dates, etc. [06:57] it's good stuff [06:57] looks like tomboy merged with a tasklist [06:58] * ogra os only looking at screenshots [07:00] StevenK, i bet you are bored ... and urgently want to push NCommander's uboot-imx through NEW :) [07:00] * ogra knows StevenK always waited for doing that ... [07:00] Good morning [07:01] morning pitti [07:01] hey ogra [07:02] TheMuso: can I assign you to bugs 395208 and 399084? Or should they go to the kernel team or someone else? [07:02] Launchpad bug 395208 in alsa-driver "[9.10 regression] HDA power_save=10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395208 [07:02] Launchpad bug 399084 in alsa-driver "[9.10 regression] HDA power_save=10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/399084 [07:02] hey sbeattie! [07:02] hey [07:03] sbeattie: Unfortunately I was not the one who decided to try that out, and have been thinking of disabling the powersvae stuff, since I don't know how to fix the hda kernel code to make things work properly. [07:03] sbeattie: what do you think about a regression test suite session at UDW? :) [07:03] So unless dtchen has plans to work on this, I think it will be disabled. [07:05] sbeattie: maybe the security folks could do it together with you :) [07:05] dholbach: where's the schedule? [07:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep [07:05] only one slot left [07:05] if you can't make it at the time, we could try to do some shuffling around [07:05] it'd be great if more people contributed to it [07:06] I guess 20:00 UTC is 11:00 your time [07:07] dholbach: I agree, it'd be good to get more contributers, was just thinking about presenting it to bugsquad [07:08] nice, that sounds good [07:08] good thing with UDW is: you'd still have a bit of time to prepare [07:08] (although I'd imagine that you get so many questions, that demoing 3-4 examples and talk about it a bit more general would be enough) [07:08] dholbach: that time is good, but that friday I'm taking as a vacation day... [07:09] argh :-( [07:09] (long weekend in the US) [07:10] I could ask agateau, Riddell, bdmurray, jcastro and pedro_ if they'd be willing to swap [07:10] although pedro, bdmurray and jcastro already swapped once to accomodate others [07:10] I'm really keen to get the schedule sorted out today, as I'll be on vacatoin afterwards [07:10] I'll drop everybody an email [07:11] thanks a lot though sbeattie! [07:11] sbeattie: I'll pencil you in for now and we'll try to get the swapping done [07:11] sbeattie: which session title would you like to have? [07:12] dholbach: good question. [07:13] "Effectively testing for regressions" or something? [07:14] Sure, that sounds good as a working title. [07:14] excellent [07:14] if you want to get in touch with the security folks if they want to hold the session with you, that's cool [07:14] I'll send out the time swapping email in a sec [07:14] thanks so much for this, sbeattie! [07:14] dholbach: thanks for herding us cats and organizing everything! [07:15] you wouldn't imagine how much chasing up people it is :) [07:24] pitti: Right, all of the UNR MIRs are either Invalid or Fix Commited, shall I push the Big Red Shiny Button and start moving stuff to main? === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:17] StevenK: I saw that you backed out fbreader, so go ahead [08:18] pitti: Should I leave -doc packages in universe, or promote the lot? [08:18] is it just me, or did the latest round of upgrades now cause two mixer applets to appear? [08:18] StevenK: please promote them completely [08:18] pitti: I'm also going to leave cheese-hildon in universe. [08:18] StevenK: component-mismatches will show what should go back [08:18] but -doc and -dbg have some implicit auto-seeding [08:19] pitti: Don't think it's only you; #ubuntu+1 thinks so too :) [08:19] pitti: So cheese-hildon should go to main just to go back, or shall I just ignore it? [08:19] cjwatson: good morning, are you around perhaps? [08:19] StevenK: right, you can ignore that; I meant -doc etc. [08:44] mvo: morning [08:44] hey kirkland - thanks for your uploads [08:44] mvo: sure :-) [08:44] mvo: question for you, though ... [08:45] mvo: so the update-motd package isn't needed any more [08:45] mvo: there's a blast of failed upgrades, and i don't quite understand why [08:45] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-motd/+bug/400462 [08:45] Ubuntu bug 400462 in update-motd "package update-motd (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: no package named `update-motd' is installed, cannot configure " [Undecided,Confirmed] [08:45] are those in launchpad? [08:46] mvo: ^ [08:46] mvo: ideas? [08:46] mvo: its strange ... [08:46] mvo: update-motd gets uninstalled, but then it looks like it wants to configure it [08:46] they look all prety recenent [08:46] mvo: oh yeah, they're all as of today [08:47] kirkland, does update-motd have a postrm? [08:47] liw: i think it might have a prerm [08:47] liw: yeah, a prerm [08:47] liw: and a preinst [08:48] kirkland: let me read the terminal logs [08:50] * mvo wonders if its something to do with the latest dpkg changes [08:55] kirkland: you can not reproduce the problem yourself or can? [08:55] mvo: i did reproduce the problem [08:55] mvo: but it only happened once [08:55] mvo: when i dist-upgraded [08:56] kirkland: great, I will try to reproduce it in a VM then here, it might be a problem in libapt (also this part has not changed in a while) or dpkg changed in some way [08:56] mvo: cool, thanks. [08:56] kirkland: was that on your server or your desktop machine? I noticed that most of the bugreports have a bluez failure, but that may just be coincidence [08:57] mvo: desktop, and yes, i have bluetooth on that system [08:57] pitti: Right, everything promoted, and everything set to Fix Released. [08:57] StevenK: yay, thanks [08:57] pitti: Thank you :-D [08:58] kirkland: thanks. there have been cases in the past were failures there caused this incorrect error message, but I will first try to reprocue [09:02] kirkland: I can reproduce it (yeah!) - now the fun^Wdebugging can start :) [09:02] mvo: ;-) [09:02] mvo: awesome, thanks. [09:02] * mvo fills up his tea cup [09:02] I see it too [09:02] mvo: you can have that bug, update it, whatever ;-) [09:04] kirkland: heh :) isn't it pretty late in your TZ now btw ? [09:04] mvo: yessir, very, very late [09:04] mvo: it's almost early, even :-) [09:05] heh :) [09:10] highvoltage: hi [09:20] kirkland: I updated the bugreport, its debatable I guess if this is a bug in dpkg or apt, but apt can not know if a package is complettely empty on install [09:20] mvo: hmm, okay [09:20] mvo: so it's not a bug in update-motd then? [09:21] kirkland: a workaround is to ship with a e.g. README.Debian, that should be ok, the upgrader will suggest to remove update-motd anyway [09:21] kirkland: well, update-motd triggered it and it can work around it [09:21] mvo: okay, sure, that's easy [09:23] that's a fun little bug: gnome has no panels, so no way to shut down or open a terminal; using the power button gives a dialog that doesn't let me shutdown [09:24] liw: and alt-f2 does not work of course? [09:24] welcome to the world of gnome-shell :P [09:25] mvo, it might, if I could use it, but kvm isn't letting me [09:25] but I could ssh in and shutdown from the command line [09:25] ogra, har har [09:25] (some days I think I should just stop using desktop systems at all, but text-mode browsing sucks) === korn_ is now known as c_korn [09:25] use the framebuffer for the browser then :) [09:28] mvo: okay, just uploaded an update that does dh_installdocs, which puts a changelog, thanks, copyright file [09:28] mvo: so the package is no longer empty [09:29] mvo: that should work around it on my end, right? [09:33] kirkland: yeah, that should fix the problem [09:33] kirkland: I will look into dpkg for a alternative next [10:35] * cjwatson takes a deep breath and attempts to update ia32-libs [10:35] cjwatson: with the debian reimplementation or the regular way? [10:36] either way, good luck! [10:36] the usual way [10:36] don't actually have an amd64 box to hand here :) [10:36] kirkland: I send a bugreport (plus possible patch) to debian, lets see what the dpkg team thinks) [10:36] I'm just doing it on ronne [10:41] looks like I have to update a few packages to stop depending on NBS things first [10:42] * pitti throws a new gdm at the buildds, now more sane \o/ [10:45] cjwatson: if you want I open up ssh on one of my 64bit test boxes :) [10:46] pitti: \o/, I thought only the insane can do great things! xD [10:46] sebner: Yay there's hope for me yet then :D [10:47] lol [10:50] davmor2: I'll stick it up in a PPA once I have something vaguely working, but I think testing it will require an actual graphical session [10:50] tkamppeter: are the hplip udev rules upstream anywhere? (just replying to Tim Waugh's "device permissions" thread) [10:53] pitti: gdm + git. Wow, that's really insane to make it sane :D [10:54] sebner: easeier than keeping to pile up more and more patches [10:55] pitti, launchpad can import git branches ya know [10:56] pitti: now mor tty1 for gdm upgrade right? [11:05] sebner: right, but that was already fixed in a previous version [11:05] cody-somerville: I know, but cloning it directly was much faster than requesting an import and waiting for it to finish [11:06] * cody-somerville nods. [11:06] pitti, Are you going to have a chance to review my merge proposal? [11:06] pitti our gdm hero \o/ [11:07] cody-somerville: I discussed that with seb128 yesterday, and he asked me to hold back; it seems that gdm really needs more than just g-s-bin [11:07] it needs a settings daemon and a wm to work correctly [11:07] wm, yes [11:08] settings daemon maybe not so much [11:08] we can patch the desktop file to launch x-window-manager instead of metacity [11:09] not sure that's this simple, needs testing [11:09] gnome-session expect the software it runs to register to the session [11:09] I agree [11:10] I've tested it and xfwm4 does indeed timeout [11:10] however, I want to try and bring down the Xubuntu cd size back to normal so people can continue to test [11:10] with the way things are now, half of gnome gets pulled into Xubuntu [11:11] use xdm? [11:11] ... [11:11] Thats not a very sustainable solution. [11:11] why? [11:11] it should do the start a session job just fine no? [11:11] but it's ugly? [11:12] and I heard from bryce that it doesn't setup the proper security context [11:12] I've no good reply, GNOME upstream don't design their software to make sure they work without GNOME [11:12] so the new gdm is harder to make work in a non GNOME context [11:12] cody-somerville: what about slim? that's fast and looks nice [11:12] and I'm not sure they will take patches for that [11:12] so maybe it's time to look at an another login manager for xubuntu [11:13] seb128, It may come to that but for now we're going to attempt to integrate the new gdm for Xubuntu [11:13] ok, good [11:13] you will have to solve the need for a settings daemon and the registration issue then [11:14] simon-o: "SLiM is looking for a new maintainer!" on its homepage [11:14] mr_pouit: Just saw that too, that's sad. They did a great job [11:15] seb128, For now, can we patch gdm to depend on gnome-session-bin and to launch x-window-manager instead of metacity? [11:16] that will create those timeout registration error for some users if they don't have x-window-manager set to a working alternative [11:16] and we still need gnome-settings-daemon to be pulled in [11:16] without it there is no accessibility, no theming, etc [11:16] seb128, Sure but gdm isn't the only thing in Ubuntu that depends on g-s-d [11:16] seb128, and g-s-d is *not* a hard dependency [11:17] well it's a recommends if you want [11:17] ie it will be pulled in with gdm [11:19] seb128, Can we make it a suggest for now so that the daily builds can be useful? [11:20] can't you try to come with a working solution? [11:20] if we workaround it nobody will care and that will stay this way [11:23] seb128, I was thinking I would investigate patching gdm to run x-session-manager instead of gnome-session directly [11:24] maybe the settings daemon should be an alternative too ... [11:24] not sure how to make that a generic concept [11:24] * cody-somerville nods. [11:26] btw what has changed that the settings daemon requires so much of gnome to run? or has it always required, but gdm did not require it? [11:26] hile, gdm got rewritten pretty much [11:29] hile, gdm used to be a gtk software now it's basically a gnome session [11:29] they use gnome-session + a custom autostart set [11:30] ok [11:30] makes sense, from gnome pov [11:32] seb128: well, we'll still have g-s-d in the gnome CDs anyway, so lowering the dependency in gdm itself shouldn't hurt us at all? [11:32] seb128: and gdm without accessiblity is still better for xubuntu than xdm (which doesn't have all those fancy things either) [11:32] pitti, it's technically wrong though, it means somebody with a minimal install doing apt-get install gdm will get a non working gdm [11:34] pitti, I'm happy to use alternative depends [11:34] cody-somerville: would there be an appropriate g-s-d alternative for xubuntu, so that it could Depends: g-s-d | xfce-something ? [11:34] ie gnome-session | xfce-session [11:34] seb128: right, just thinking that [11:35] xfconf [11:36] I'm not sure it will work without gdm changes but that's rather a xubuntu change [11:36] let's add the alternative depends now and let them sort how they make that work for them then [11:36] I guess xfconf will work fine if you also change metacity to xfwm? [11:36] they still need a session manager though [11:37] or something running the autostarts [11:37] gome-session-bin? [11:37] for now, lets depend on gnome-session-bin [11:37] no [11:37] gnome-session | xfce-something rather [11:37] no, thats still wrong [11:38] I'm not going to depends on gnome-session-bin that's not enough requirement to get gdm working correctly [11:38] gnome-session-bin, gnome-session | xfce-session, metacity | xfwm, gnome-settings-daemon | xfconf [11:38] ? [11:38] we need gnome-settings-daemon too for example [11:38] and gpm [11:38] and some accessibility tools [11:38] those aren't dependencies [11:38] they are [11:38] no they are not [11:38] perhaps at this point it would make more sense to build another gdm-xfce with all the dependencies swapped? [11:38] when you apt-install gdm on a minimal install you should get the full user experience [11:39] Recommends if you want but gdm should pull those [11:39] seb128, and that'll happen but things like gpm would be a recommend and not a depend [11:39] which doesn't fix your CD build issue [11:39] seb128: my depends line from above would provide that [11:39] seb128, we already include gpm [11:39] pitti, if you do that make sure it pulls also accessibility tools required, gpm, etc [11:40] sure, it wasn't the complete line, just illustrating [11:40] would be easier to have "gnome-session | xsomething" [11:40] we might decide to use gnome-session-bin [11:40] ^ that still needs an additional gnome-session-bin [11:40] right [11:40] (which is a no-op for ubuntu) [11:40] I'm not arguing that ;-) [11:40] okay [11:40] just don't drop the gnome-session depends if you don't add all the required components [11:41] ie make sure that you do a minimal install, apt-get install gdm and get it working correctly [11:41] not complaining about some tools missing or themes not working or something [11:41] did we drop the old gdm completely ? [11:42] ok, sounds like a plan [11:42] yes [11:42] cody-somerville: does that work for you, too? [11:43] gdm should not directly depend on gnome-session but instead gnome-session-bin but *should* as seb128 ensure that the right stuff gets pulled in like some of the stuff that automagically got pulled in when depending on gnome-session [11:44] *as seb128 said [11:44] cody-somerville: i. e. the dependency scheme from above (gnome-session-bin, gnome-session | xfce-session, metacity | xfwm, gnome-settings-daemon | xfconf) [11:44] cody-somerville: *nod* [11:44] cody-somerville: then you just need to make sure that those alternative dependencies occur before gdm in the xubuntu seeds [11:45] I don't think you even need that - germinate should add all directly specified packages before trying to resolve any of their dependencies [11:46] ah, nice [11:46] pitti, so I would see the deps being like this for now: gnome-session-bin, x-window-manager, gnome-settings-daemon | xfconf [11:46] cody-somerville: x-window-manager isn't a real package [11:46] pitti, right-o [11:46] metacity | x-window-manager would work [11:46] * cody-somerville nods. [11:47] i. e. you need to specify a preferred real package [11:58] kirkland: why did you reopen bug 400462 ? [11:58] Launchpad bug 400462 in update-motd "package update-motd (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: no package named `update-motd' is installed, cannot configure " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400462 [12:01] gah, ia32-libs/fetch-and-build only works when all the binary packages it wants are in sync with its sources :-( [12:02] * cjwatson waits another hour ... [12:02] cjwatson: IIRC there was a magic env var to override the check [12:02] I think I added that ages ago when I was annoyed by exactly that [12:06] pitti: I don't see one, but it doesn't matter, I can do other things [12:07] cjwatson: SOURCE_VER_MISMATCH=1 [12:07] oh so there is [12:07] thanks [12:08] I haven't played around with ia32-libs-tools yet, but it seems much easier to maintain [12:08] (and avoids the OMG 400 MB packages) [12:08] yeah, but I'm worried about the fact that it requires an extra manual apt-get dist-upgrade after the first upgrade [12:09] if we're actually getting multiarch (which seems not entirely implausible now) then I'd sort of rather skip straight to that [12:09] *nod* [12:10] anything that gets us rid of this excruciating ia32-libs pain is a major step forward [12:10] pitti, I have still to inform the HP guys about their new UDEV rules. [12:20] ogra, lool: do we have daily armel CD builds for UNR? (Stefan Vogelsang was interested) [12:20] no [12:20] we only build live images but are lacking kernels [12:20] (s/live/ubuntu-desktop/) [12:22] ogra: oh, so http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/current/ armel won't work either? [12:22] right [12:22] ok, thanks [12:22] there is no content in the kernel package thats used [12:22] so it wouldnt boot [12:23] pitti, we're supposed to have kernels for the two arches we will build for by A4 === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:28] pitti: We don't due to lack of OpenGL drivers or 2D version of UNR [12:29] pitti: I just deferred the specs for this cycle, as it's a bit late to add these now [12:32] right, that too :) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:48] superm1: I really hate the Mini 10v's touchpad, like, seriously wtf [13:48] ;) [13:53] I couldn’t live without a wacom-enabled tablet PC anymore. :-P [14:15] Keybuk: what's the problem? (I might already be working on it) [14:17] about the touchpad, I mean === amitk_ is now known as amitk === sbasuita_ is now known as sbasuita === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [14:44] tseliot: that the mouse buttons are embedded in it [14:44] so it's impossible to click without violently moving the mouse pointer [14:44] Keybuk: my patch was accepted today: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21613 [14:44] Freedesktop bug 21613 in Input/synaptics "Property to make part of the touchpad insensitive to movements" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed] [14:45] tseliot: I'd rather have an option to turn the buttons off and use tap-to-click [14:45] Keybuk: you have an option to do that [14:45] where? [14:46] Keybuk: you can set it with xinput [14:47] how? [14:51] Keybuk: xinput set-int-prop $YOU_DEVICE_NAME "Synaptics Click Action" 8 0 0 0 [14:51] this should do it [14:51] why the 8? [14:52] that appears to have changed the property, but the buttons still work [14:52] 8 bit [14:52] in fact [14:52] that has disabled tap-to-click [14:52] not the buttons === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl [14:52] weird, let me check [14:55] Synaptics Tap Action should disable taps while Synaptics Click Action is supposed to disable clicks [14:55] * tseliot has a look at the code [14:58] Keybuk: I don't see anything wrong in the code. Can you file a bug report about it and assign it to me, please? [15:00] sure [15:00] which package? [15:03] xorg-driver-synaptics [15:04] xserver-xorg-input-synaptics [15:04] Keybuk: ^^ [15:05] tseliot: thanks, bug #400697 [15:05] Launchpad bug 400697 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Cannot disable touchpad buttons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400697 [15:06] tseliot: How about the other patch? [15:07] Keybuk: thanks [15:07] seriously though, this Touchpad is the kind of idea that must have gone straight from concept to production without passing through a brain in between [15:07] ScottK: the other patch is still work in progress. I have to make sure that it doesn't break other touchpads. I'm discussing this with upstream [15:08] heh [15:08] What – a touchpad that sucks even *more*? Is that possible? [15:08] Keybuk: tseliot's patches seem to tame it a bit. [15:09] * ScottK is no longer considering throwing his through a window. [15:10] hehe [15:15] tseliot: is that something that might not work on Jaunty but might work on Karmic? [15:17] Keybuk: I'm using the driver from upstream, therefore I don't think so [15:18] but anyway let me try on Karmic (just in case it's a kernel issue) [15:18] it was jaunty-release that I tried that xinput on [15:20] ok, I tried it on Jaunty + upstream's x driver and it didn't work [15:21] it doesn't work on Karmic either [15:23] wait a second that just customises left clicks [15:26] Keybuk: my bad. It can be done from Xinput [15:26] s/can/can't/ [15:27] Can someone please expand upon what "if-up.d/mountnfs [device__]: lock /var/run/network/mountnfs exist, not mounting" means? [15:27] * tseliot should RTFM more carefully... [15:29] Keybuk: sorry but you'll have to use the 1st solution that I suggested :-/ [15:30] tseliot: what was that? [15:30] pitti, cody-somerville so in this new gdm upload, glancing thru the changelog still no solution for having it depend on gnome-session-bin yet right? [15:30] superm1, I thought we had a solution [15:31] Keybuk: use the driver from upstream and type: xinput set-int-prop $YOUR_DEVICE_ID "Synaptics Area" 32 0 0 0 4000 [15:32] superm1: that was discussed this morning, and I think we have a working agreement now [15:33] tseliot: but I don't want to change the touchpad area [15:33] I want to turn off the buttons [15:33] Keybuk, the buttons dont go crazy when you change that area [15:33] they act more like normal touchpad buttons [15:33] * ogra hands Keybuk a soldering iron [15:33] pitti, yeah i saw some of the discussion in scrollback, it just hasn't made it into "this upload" (i'm looking for when xubuntu and mythbuntu disks can start being tested again) [15:34] superm1: but that will introduce an invisible magic line inside which the touchpad works and outside which it doesn't [15:35] * superm1 hands Keybuk a permanent marker :P [15:35] superm1: I have a hammer [15:35] heh, you will sonn have a full toolbox if that goes on :) [15:35] *soon [15:36] Keybuk: maybe try with xmodmap? [15:37] and change the pointer map? [15:38] tseliot: second Q, which package do I install on karmic to get the wireless to work? [15:39] Keybuk: bcmwl [15:41] why is packagekit-udev-helper not in ubuntu? (or is it in and I missed it?) [15:43] tseliot: err, that area thing doesn't work either [15:43] Keybuk: doesn't it ignore movements and taps in the bottom area? [15:43] nope [15:44] Keybuk: are you using the driver from upstream? [15:45] today's snapshot [15:46] Keybuk: I've found the solution [15:47] type: xinput set-button-map $YOUR_TOUCHPAD 12 12 12 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 === jdstrand_ is now known as jdstrand [15:48] ... :-) [15:48] the trick is to set the 1st three buttons to a higher code [15:48] set the first three buttons to button 12? :) [15:48] yes, or to whatever you like [15:48] it works well here [15:49] just 12 12 12 works [15:50] ah [15:50] that too ;) [15:50] no [15:50] no? [15:50] that disables tap-to-click as well ;-) [15:50] tap-to-click is now sending button 12 too [15:50] I guess it's the same event [15:51]