[00:00] <owh> In addition, the community spirit within Ubuntu is more inclusive. I found in the past that unless you're a Debian developer it's hard to get your feedback taken seriously. Within Ubuntu the entry point is much more accessible. I'm a full time software developer, but I cannot devote all my time to Ubuntu, but what little time I have is used and appreciated.
[00:01] <owh> There are technical arguments as well, but they come under the philosophy of making Ubuntu for the people. There's quite a lot of invisible stuff that makes your job as a sys admin simpler.
[00:02] <Bilge> > With Ubuntu, I know when it's going to happen. | really? how?
[00:02] <owh> Releases happen in April and October.
[00:03] <Bilge> Oh distro releases yes
[00:03] <Bilge> But I can't figure out when I might get access to PHP5.3 if I just sit around waiting for it to appear in my repo
[00:03] <cjwatson> on security fixes from upstream: it may not be very obvious how this works if you aren't familiar with free software development and are just used to getting a new packaged release from somebody. As an example, this is the last security-related change I needed to backport from OpenSSH upstream: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/openssh/main/revision/5631
[00:03] <Bilge> Probably never
[00:03] <disposable> i have just installed ubuntu 9.04 server (choosing the minimal virtual server option in the installer) and discovered that my loopback device can't be pinged. http://pastebin.com/d46ecbc32 What am i missing?
[00:04] <owh> disposable: Are you actually running on virtual hardware for starters?
[00:04] <owh> Bilge: Not sure what you're asking.
[00:05] <Bilge> cjwatson: my dedicated server provider slightly modifies my installation of Ubuntu and they add openssh to the list of "held back" packages so it never gets updated
[00:05] <disposable> owh: the machine is in virtualbox. but i don't think loopback device should be affected
[00:05] <Bilge> Probably to avoid locking myself out through upgrading somehow
[00:06] <cjwatson> Bilge: *cough* on their head be it, unless they take care of the upgrades centrally
[00:06] <disposable> Bilge: pinging it with ping6 ::1 works though. but i need 127.0.0.1
[00:06] <disposable> Bilge: sorry, wasn't meant for you
[00:06] <disposable> owh: pinging it with ping6 ::1 works though. but i need 127.0.0.1
[00:07] <cjwatson> disposable: what's in /etc/network/interfaces?
[00:07] <Bilge> No, it's a dedicated server so it's up to me what I do with it. There's no "central upgrade"
[00:07] <disposable> cjwatson: see the pastebin link
[00:08] <cjwatson> oh, yeah
[00:09] <cjwatson> Bilge: locking yourself out through upgrading would involve carelessness, of course, since upgrades of openssh-server never kill existing connections
[00:09] <Bilge> But it would be my prerogative to check that it still worked after upgrading
[00:09] <cjwatson> yes. it's an odd thing for them to do though.
[00:09] <Bilge> Upgrade > power cut > can't log in > now what?
[00:10] <cjwatson> (and, IMO, unwise)
[00:10] <Bilge> I don't know how to configure held back packages
[00:10] <cjwatson> well, the choice is sometimes between that or everyone *else* can log in ... ;-)
[00:10] <disposable> cjwatson: and i did try adding "127.0.0.1 localhost ip4-localhost ip4-loopbac" to /etc/hosts. didn't help
[00:10] <disposable> s/loopbac/loopback
[00:11] <cjwatson> disposable: I wouldn't expect /etc/hosts to matter; this is below the level of name service
[00:11] <cjwatson> disposable: the question is why there isn't a "inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0" line in ifconfig output under lo
[00:12] <cjwatson> I confess to being weirded out though. It *looks* fine, though at after midnight local time I'm probably not awake enough to see the problem ...
[00:13] <disposable> :) same here
[00:13] <cjwatson> Bilge: 'apt-get install openssh-server' will disregard holds, if you decide to do that
[00:13] <cjwatson> or use a full-screen package manager such as aptitude
[00:24] <Bilge> aptitiude obeys hold backs
[00:24] <Bilge> Also I just assumed that my provider configured the hold backs but I can't find any information about being able to configure that
[00:27] <pmatulis> Bilge: why don't you just ask them (what, why, how)?
[00:28] <Bilge> Because they're assholes
[00:30] <pmatulis> Bilge: go elsewhere.  is that an option?
[00:31] <Bilge> They have the best prices
[00:31] <Bilge> By far
[00:31] <Bilge> But they're also a foreign company who employ support staff from a different foreign country
[00:31] <Bilge> If I don't have to deal with them then everything is perfect
[00:32] <Bilge> $ uptime
[00:32] <Bilge> up 388 days
[00:33] <Bilge> The only time its been rebooted was when I was testing to see if my services came back up automatically
[00:34] <Bilge> (since I wrote a number of custom init.d scripts to go with my self compiled software)
[00:34] <pmatulis> it's a very bad idea to compile stuff on Ubuntu
[00:36] <tclineks> i'm trying to run apache with upstart but it immediately daemonizes
[00:36] <tclineks> thoughts?
[00:39] <cjwatson> Bilge: it could of course be that apt is holding it back for its own reasons (unsatisfiable dependencies?)
 it's a very bad idea to compile stuff on Ubuntu | what!
[00:40] <cjwatson> apt-get install would hopefully give you ome hint as to why
[00:40] <cjwatson> some
[00:40] <cjwatson> pmatulis: uh, I echo Bilge's "what?"
[00:41] <cjwatson> pmatulis: hope you're not saying that Ubuntu is no good for developers! :-)
[00:41] <Bilge> It wasn't a "what?", it was a "what!"!
[00:41] <cjwatson> let me refine that statement into what I think might make more sense
[00:41] <Bilge> I think I know where he's going
[00:42] <Bilge> Another naysayer of anyone who doesn't use packages
[00:42] <cjwatson> it's usually not a good idea to compile things for yourself and then install them over the top of system-managed software
[00:42] <Bilge> The way God intended
[00:42] <cjwatson> *however*
[00:42] <cjwatson> there's nothing wrong with building things yourself and sticking them in your home directory, or carefully managed in /usr/local or /opt
[00:42] <Bilge> I'm not installing anything over the top of anything
[00:42] <cjwatson> that's what /usr/local and /opt are for
[00:42] <Bilge> All my stuff goes into /usr/local
[00:43] <Bilge> I don't mess around trying to compile anything heavy like apache or PHP
[00:43] <cjwatson> right, and although there are a few gotchas that's usually fine
[00:43] <pmatulis> k, you guys know what i meant
[00:43] <cjwatson> (radically different /usr/local/bin/perl can cause problems - some care needed)
[00:43] <Bilge> But I have compiled an FTP server since the Ubuntu implementation was diabolical
[00:43] <cjwatson> there are lots of FTP servers in Ubuntu
[00:43] <Bilge> You actually had to put each setting in a separate file
[00:44] <Bilge> It made absolutely no sense
[00:44] <cjwatson> vsftpd is popular among competent admins I know
[00:44] <Bilge> And the old version didn't support TLS encryption either
[00:44] <Bilge> I decided to go with pureftpd because it seemed pretty simple
[00:44] <Bilge> I also filed a bug about the terrible implementation
[00:45] <Bilge> Which was acknowledged and then swept under the run with the rest of them
[00:45] <Bilge> rug*
[00:45] <owh> Bilge: Mind taking that chip off your shoulder there?
[00:46] <Bilge> Seems they've all disappeared now as well
[00:46] <Bilge> The only one left is the one I reported today
[00:47] <Bilge> Launchpad didn't get its big tracker reset at some point did it
[00:47] <Bilge> bug*
[00:47] <cjwatson> no.
[00:47] <Bilge> There's no option to adjust time scale so I don't know what happened to them all
[00:47] <niceuser> so it doesn't suck?
[00:48] <cjwatson> you can look for all bugs you've reported, and there's an advanced search with which you can search for all bug statuses
[00:48] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/+me/+reportedbugs
[00:49] <cjwatson> -> advanced search, check all the boxes under Status:, press Search
[00:49] <cjwatson> oh and possibly also uncheck "Hide duplicate bugs"
[00:50] <Bilge> I can't figure this out at all
[00:50] <Bilge> I get different lists of bugs "related to me" depending on what page I was on beforehand
[00:50] <Bilge> If I go to my profile, I just see the one from today
[00:50] <Bilge> If I navigate to Ubuntu project first, I can see my old ones
[00:50] <Bilge> Instead of, but not as well as
[00:51] <cjwatson> I don't know about related-to but /people/+me/+reportedbugs should be pretty deterministic. (for detailed help on LP, though, #launchpad.)
[00:51] <Bilge> The URL is slightly different. One is referencing my user name and the other my e-mail address, and it lists different bugs for each
[00:52] <cjwatson> Launchpad URLs never contain your e-mail address, as far as I can remember. That sounds as if you may accidentally have two Launchpad accounts?
[00:52] <cjwatson> (though I'm not sure how that would happen without your noticing.)
[00:53] <owh> It sounds like that to me also.
[00:54] <Bilge> Yeah there's two
[00:54] <cjwatson> you can merge them if you want
[00:54] <Bilge> I would want
[00:54] <owh> One less mystery for the day :)
[00:54] <Bilge> They were created one month apart with the same user name
[00:54] <Bilge> I guess user names aren't unique
[00:54] <owh> s/same/similar/
[00:54] <cjwatson> Launchpad user names are unique
[00:55] <infinity> I see ~bbilge ... What's your other one?
[00:55] <Bilge> https://launchpad.net/~corporate-scriptfusion
[00:55] <cjwatson> as in, when you visit launchpad.net/people/+me, it redirects to (in my case) launchpad.net/~cjwatson - the 'cjwatson' bit is the Launchpad user name
[00:55] <Bilge> https://launchpad.net/~bbilge
[00:55] <infinity> Those definitely look like very different usernames to me...
[00:56] <cjwatson> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/Merging
[00:56] <infinity> Bilge: Don't confuse username with real name.  Real names aren't unique.  Your username is what's in the URL.
[00:56] <Bilge> I figured from what you just said
[00:57] <Bilge> Does it matter which one I merge with which
[00:57] <cjwatson> no, your choice
[00:57] <infinity> Nope.  Keep the one you prefer the username to. :)
[00:57] <cjwatson> pick the one you want to keep, request a merge of the other
[00:57] <infinity> (Or create a whole new account, and merge both to it)
[00:58] <infinity> It matters if you have things like PPAs, I suppose, where URLs break when merged accounts go AWOL.
[00:58] <infinity> But that doesn't look to be an issue for you.
[00:59] <Bilge> This system really does drive me mental
[00:59] <Bilge> I can't actually log into the other account because the log-in firm is just a button for OpenID which logs me into the wrong account automatically
[00:59] <Bilge> form*
[00:59] <infinity> Even if you do a forced logout?
[01:00] <Bilge> Yes
[01:00] <Bilge> I just did a cookie smash which fixed it though
[01:00] <infinity> Weird.  Logging out here deleted the cookie correctly.
[01:01] <Bilge> It was bouncing back and forth between some subdomains which probably screwed it up
[01:02] <Bilge> Probably only fails when looking at help
[01:02] <infinity> If you can reproduce it, I'm sure the LP devs would love a bug on it.
[01:02] <infinity> And hey, if they don't love the bug, too bad. ;)
[05:22] <billybigrigger_> anyone here aware of a decent auth log analyzer? like webalizer for access logs?
[06:15] <jerrcs> Any reason a lot of *.deb files are broken on the installer? I've burned a couple copies of the iso... :/
[06:27] <twb> jerrcs: define `broken'.
[06:31] <jerrcs> twb: well, I don't know. it fails to retrieve several of the *.deb files..
[06:31] <jerrcs> I was hoping it could fallback to retrieving them from a local mirror
[06:31] <jerrcs> but I don't know how to select that in the installer.
[06:31] <twb> jerrcs: fails to retrieve them from where?
[06:32] <twb> What makes you think it's retrieving them from the CD (as opposed to via the network)?
[06:32] <jerrcs> from the cdrom.
[06:32] <jerrcs> twb: because I downloaded 577mb of pure iso goodness.. I don't think it would download more packages from the internet when they are already on the cdrom.
[06:33] <twb> jerrcs: that is not a valid assumption.
[06:33] <jerrcs> I don't think you understand. It's all good, I found installer components.
[06:34] <twb> For a single release and architecture, the complete set of all packages is perhaps 5GiB.
[06:34] <jerrcs> yes. I know that
[06:34] <jerrcs> and
[06:34] <jerrcs> I'm talking about core instal lcomponents
[06:34] <twb> What is the error you see onscreen?
[06:35] <jerrcs> your basics.. libc6, openssh, stuff like that. I'm seeing corrupt .deb files.. "debootstrap warning... warning: file:///cdrom/pool/main/g/gnupg/gnublahblah.deb was corrupt"
[06:35] <jerrcs> and it's pretty much like that for all of the packages.
[06:35] <twb> I see.
[06:35] <twb> Have you checksummed the burnt CD and compared it to the downloaded .iso, and to the .asc file included with the upstream .iso?
[06:36] <jerrcs> yes.
[06:36] <twb> And were they all identical?
[06:36] <jerrcs> I don't think I'd burn the CD otherwise.
[06:37] <twb> You can't know the checksum of the CD before you burn it.
[06:42] <oh_noes> Why doesnt this work? # ufw allow from port 5678/tcp to port 5690/tcp
[06:42] <oh_noes> Isnt it the correct syntax?
[07:05] <anirban> I have installed Virtualmin 3.703.gpl module in my Webmin 1.480 panel of my Ubuntu 9.04 HyperVM VPS . Now I have added 1 domain named web2dziner.com using Virtualmin virtual hosts. The problem is when I type http://web2dziner.com (wrong Apache default page ) and http://www.web2dziner.com (the desired page) , it goes to two different webpages. I haven't done any modifications as such directly to the Apache. How to fix it ?
[07:14] <twb> oh_noes: why do you want to set the source port?
[07:15] <twb> anirban: webmin isn't supported on Ubuntu AFAIK.
[07:15] <oh_noes> twb: I'm trying to say, ANY IP address, ALLOW from source port x to source port y
[07:15] <oh_noes> save me typing 50 lines of "ufw allow x/tcp"
[07:16] <twb> oh_noes: erm, you can't send a packet *to* a source port.  That doesn't make sense.
[07:16] <oh_noes> so im not trying to send it to a source port
[07:16] <twb> oh_noes: packets come *from* a source port, and go *to* a destination port.
[07:16] <oh_noes> I'm trying to say where the destination port is a range
[07:16] <twb> Oh, I see, you want a port RANGE.
[07:17] <oh_noes> Yep, and i cant figure out how to tell ufw that
[07:17] <twb> I don't know if ufw(8) can express that, but in the underlying iptables-restore syntax it's -m multiport --dports 5678:5690
[07:17] <twb> Assuming you want to match destination ports, rather than source ports.
[07:19] <twb> For example, -A INPUT -p udp -m multiport --dports 53,67:69,123 -j ACCEPT
[07:19] <oh_noes> thanks, yeah not using iptables, because i only need a simple host based single NIC firewall
[07:19] <oh_noes> i was hoping to express it in a single command
[07:19] <twb> I think "ufw from port N to port M" means -s N -d M, not --dports N:M
[07:20] <twb> i.e. the ufw(8) wrapper does not allow you to use --dports
[07:20] <oh_noes> twb: ok thanks for the clarify, I'll use a quick for i in then
[07:20] <twb> You can still express it as a single command if you ignore ufw and use the mess of shit in /var/lib/ufw or /usr/share/ufw
[07:21] <twb> But that may be beyond your capability.
[07:22] <oh_noes> well not capability, anything is possible
[07:22] <oh_noes> but beyond what i wish to perform to a server to keep it in a known supported state
[07:22] <twb> Right
[08:01] <acalvo> hi
[08:01] <acalvo> does anyone know how to get a list of used UIDs?
[08:03] <pirx> awk -F':' '{print $3}' /etc/passwd
[08:03] <pirx> list of UIDs related to users
[08:08] <pirx> but there could very well be files with other UIDs in the filesystem
[08:27] <acalvo> pirx: since I've a LDAP backend, they should be there
[08:27] <acalvo> but trying to create a new user, it tells me that the UID is in use
[09:32] <mattt> anyone here use XFS?
[09:33] <qiyong> what is the kqemu-common pkg used for?
[13:36] <J_P> hi all
[13:36] <J_P> Anyone know how I set Umask in proftpd for a specific user create dirs/files with perm rw for owner and group ? I'm doing this http://dpaste.com/68192/  but not works
[13:39] <J_P> anyone?
[14:16] <rgreening> hey, just wondering if anyone plans to package tac_plus-4.5b5-5.tgz and webui-1.5b3.tgz for tacacs? Or is there some licence restriction? It appears to be open sourced and supercedes the old unmaintained 4.0.4 build which was discontinued a coupled of ubuntu releases ago.
[14:17] <rgreening> new version of tacacs can be found here... http://www.networkforums.net/
[14:23] <rgreening> you might have to register to download... here's the direct link: http://www.networkforums.net/?q=system/files/tac_plus-4.5b5-5.tgz
[14:52] <rgreening> ScottK: hey, any ideas on above? I looked over the code. it's all gpl.
[14:53] <rgreening> except the RSA MD4/5 bit (which seems ok)
[14:54] <ScottK> rgreening: What's the licensed on the RSA stuff and can it be linked against GPL code?
[14:54] <rgreening> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/220536/
[14:55] <rgreening> ScottK: I believe this was part of the original tac_plus package (which is unmaintained). The rest was re-written in C++ from the ground up.
[14:56] <rgreening> Oh, and ScottK, here is a bit a little further down same file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/220538/
[14:57] <rgreening> looks ok to me...
[14:59] <ScottK> I'd have to go seriously think about why the 4 clause BSD license with the advertising clause is GPL incompatible to know for sure, but I think so.
[15:00] <rgreening> ScottK: I'm pretty sure this was in the prev tac_plus package we had a couple of releases ago
[15:00] <rgreening> 4.0.4
[15:00] <rgreening> yep. just checked. was the same licence then
[15:02] <ScottK> OK
[15:02] <rgreening> ScottK: So, I can package and possibly upload?
[15:03] <ScottK> I don't see why not.
[15:03] <rgreening> I assume this would go universe initially and we could request to promote to main later
[15:03] <rgreening> or should we try for main in karmic right away?
[15:03] <ScottK> All new uploads land in Universe.
[15:03] <ScottK> Get it there, then there can be a conversation.
[15:04] <ScottK> "rgreening wouldn't be allowed to break it anymore" probably won't do it.
[15:04] <rgreening> haha
[15:05] <rgreening> hmm.. if it stays in universe, I get to maintain it.
[15:05] <rgreening> if it moves, i wouldn't.. though main would be nice.. i guess
[15:05] <rgreening> :)
[15:05] <rgreening> ok, let me package it...
[15:20] <cudev> I'm having problems getting if-up to work at boot. Everywhere that I've posted/asked so far, the only answer I've gotten is 'strange, that should work'
[15:20] <Steve[mbp]> Morning Everyone!
[15:20] <cudev> Morning Steve!
[15:20] <Steve[mbp]> :-p
[15:27] <shivek> Hi everyone ^^D
[15:28] <cudev> HI
[15:28] <cudev>  Can someone please expand upon what "if-up.d/mountnfs [device__]: lock /var/run/network/mountnfs exist, not mounting" means?
[15:51] <PC_Nerd101> Hi,  I'm looking for advice on getting ftp accounts for specific virtual hosts in ubuntu (all installed from the standard 9.04 serve repo's).... so that a virtual host in /var/www/<vhostname> would have a specific FTP user for moving files around....  how would I set that up so that the user can only access that directory and not others. ?
[16:14] <_ruben> PC_Nerd101: use the chroot option of for example pure-ftpd (other ftpd's probably offer similar features)
[16:19] <PC_Nerd101> ahh ok :) - I've got vsftpd running....
[16:19] <PC_Nerd101> just a sec
[16:22] <PC_Nerd101> ok - I think I've got it working by setting up the standard user account, chrooting it in vsftpd config, and I've had to resort to 777 permissions because apache2 is running ( and reading directories) as root/daemon (I think) - its the standard $sudo aptitude install apache2 install - so is there a seperate user I should own it all as ?
[17:22] <leaf-sheep> !oss
[18:10] <michael__> Hi guys. Having issues with pam_krb5. Can kinit and get tickets, but login gives a server not found in kerberos db. (this is after pam-auth-config).
[18:37] <resno> What is the best way to use webalizer to extract stats?
[19:02] <resno> Is there anyone who likes webalizer and can get info from it?
[19:06] <majikman> anyone here running apache httpd that can get this to work? http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_status.html#machinereadable
[19:26] <zoopster> resno: I use webalizer on jaunty and it works fine are you having trouble?
[19:28] <resno> zoopster: i am trying to get logs deeper than whats appearing on the html pages. I need stats for a page that is not a top page.
[19:32] <resno> Has anyone used the command "fileinclude" with webalizer?
[19:40] <cemc> why is it that when I "ping host", it always thinks for a couple of seconds between each ping? there's no loss, no lag, it just tries to resolve something I think. it's Jaunty. any ideas?
[19:51] <KillMeNow> mine does the same thing cemc
[19:51] <KillMeNow> it didn't do it before I upgraded to Jaunty
[19:54] <KillMeNow> in fact I've noticed that some services are slower to respond
[19:58] <cemc> KillMeNow: exactly. On Intrepid it was all fine.
[20:03] <resno> Has anyone had any luck extracting access logs for webalizer?
[20:04] <zoopster> resno: the only way I can see to do that is log that specific page since webalizer really is just parsing logs for information I can see hits to specific pages in webalizer, so I'm not sure what else you are expecting
[20:04] <resno> zoopster: I am expecting a miracle. :) If the stats arent there on the html page, are they any where else?
[20:05] <zoopster> resno: my setup has each virtual host using a separate log and webalizer parses each log and puts the stats in a separate directory for each host
[20:05] <resno> so webalizer is only a parser for data logs?
[20:05] <zoopster> resno: doubt it...you may want to look at something like analog which is a really configurable log parser
[20:06] <resno> i feel stupid. where are logs kept then?
[20:06] <zoopster> resno: heh...pretty much...it's claim to fame is the slick format it outputs
[20:06] <zoopster> resno: and the fact that it is blazingly fast
[20:07] <resno> zoopster: so where can I find the logs then?
[20:08] <zoopster> resno: /var/log/apache2 or whereever you configured it to be
[20:08] <resno> ah thanks. that answers that most embarising question
[20:08] <KillMeNow> resno
[20:09] <zoopster> resno: no worries...read the conf files...tells you everything you need to know...in most cases
[20:09] <KillMeNow> if you set a specific log file location in the virtual host block, it could be /var/log/apache/path to logs
[20:09] <KillMeNow> but if you left it default it will be in /var/log/apache2
[20:09] <KillMeNow> what are you trying to get out of webalizer?
[20:13] <resno> i was looking for stats that webalizer wasnt showing. i always thought webalizer was recording and making the stats. but now i get its on a parser. LOL
[20:40] <resno> where can i find the conf files for apache?
[20:41] <cemc> resno: /etc/apache2
[20:43] <funkyHat> Can anyone see why apache might be ignoring this virtual host file? http://pastebin.com/fac87955 :(
[20:43] <funkyHat> (yes, it is in sites-enabled)
[20:44]  * KillMeNow[A] is now away - Reason : Off for a while
[20:45] <funkyHat> All of the other virtual host files work fine
[20:45] <resno> cemc: is there any reason a virutal server could have it somewhere else? i dont even see an apache folder :(
[20:46] <cemc> resno: what release are you on? is it apache or apache? AFAIK it's in /etc/apache2
[20:46] <cemc> virtual server?
[20:49] <resno> this is a dumb question. would centos put them in the same locatino?
[20:50] <cemc> no, centos has /etc/httpd
[20:50] <resno> where can i find out what these folders mean?
[20:50] <resno> or whats in them?
[20:50] <cemc> you look in them? :)
[20:51] <resno> heh, no i mean. like etc, var, or usr
[20:51] <cemc> oh
[20:52] <cemc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base
[20:52] <cemc> take a look at this, I think
[20:52] <jmedina> http://pathname.com/fhs
[20:53] <resno> many thanks.
[20:53] <resno> is there such a thing as a virtual server? for instance running multiple sites from one server?
[20:53] <cemc> yeah, what he said
[21:08] <rags> Is it possible to have multiple SPD entries in ip-sec.conf file? sepcifyig diff n/w but same tunnel??
[21:23] <A|i> anyone tried installing mysql 5.1 on hardy?
[22:26] <bdelin88> is it possible to create a Terminal Server on an ubuntu machine that can all windows clients to use Remote Desktop to access computers connected to the Terminal Server.  I would like to set it up so that a computer on the internet could connect to a windows client connected to the terminal server
[23:00] <osmosis> how can I tell which drives are paired in a linux software raid 10?  http://dpaste.com/68345/