[02:26] <Rubix`> My computer can't seem to reconize the CD in the drive to live boot xubuntu.
[02:27] <Rubix`> Yes i've went into the setup and made the CD-Drive the first priotory for booting.
[02:52] <confusious> Howdy everybody ! Hopefully everybody's doing well today.Remember,as Craig Ferguson [Late,late show] always says..."it's a great day in America everybody"
[02:53] <confusious> Oops.Didn't quite mean to send that just yet but,heck...here we go...
[02:53] <knome> not america only :P
[02:53] <confusious> Yeah,I know..........
[02:53] <confusious> just some dumb stuff to say........
[02:53] <knome> :]
[02:54] <confusious> till I get to my issue hopefully I didn't offend anybody......didn't mean to
[02:54] <knome> no offense taken
[02:54] <knome> (greetings from finland)
[02:54] <confusious> So,again...hopefully everybody is doing well
[02:54] <confusious> Hey Fin !!
[02:55] <confusious> okay...I don't know how this happened but I now have some "broken links" on my desktop....
[02:56] <knome> so... what are those?
[02:56] <knome> why don't you just remove them, or would you like them to work?
[02:56] <confusious> These links are basically nothing more than text messages I left on my desktop & I'm assuming that it happened during some updating...anybody have any clue ?? Particularly on how I cab fix these as these were letters I had started to friends relatives etc
[02:57] <confusious> I really need them to work
[02:57] <knome> what is the error message if you try to open them?
[02:57] <knome> or do you get one?
[02:57] <confusious> hmmmmmmm brb...
[02:57] <knome> okay
[02:58] <confusious> okay...
[02:59] <confusious> I don't even get error message.........pc tries to open with an "open with" dialog box but then that automatically just dissappears
[02:59] <confusious> VERY QUICKLY
[02:59] <knome> what if you open a text editor
[02:59] <knome> and go to the open menu there
[02:59] <knome> and try to open those fileS?
[02:59] <confusious> hmmmmmm now thats an idea hmmmmmmmm one moment.............
[03:00] <knome> of course that's an idea ;)
[03:03] <confusious> Hmmmmmmmmm.....
[03:03] <knome> right?
[03:03] <confusious> I get error..........
[03:03] <knome> what is that error?
[03:03] <confusious> am using abiword to try to open but originally these were made in notepad
[03:03] <confusious> that make a difference ?
[03:03] <knome> maybe you should try mousepad
[03:04] <knome> but should not really make difference
[03:04] <confusious> will try........
[03:04] <knome> what was the error btw?
[03:04] <confusious> will look...
[03:06] <confusious> error importing file ///home/desktop/letter%20to%20Rick.txt
[03:07] <knome> okay
[03:07] <knome> try mousepad
[03:07] <knome> oh hmm...
[03:07] <knome> /home/desktop doesn't sound right
[03:07] <Rubix`> For some reason, my xubuntu live cd is not reconnized upon startup
[03:07] <knome> it should be /home/yourusername/Desktop (note the big D...)
[03:08] <knome> Rubix`, can you boot from other discs?
[03:08] <Rubix`> never tried
[03:08] <knome> is it an old pc?
[03:08] <Rubix`> but i know priority is set to CD-ROm
[03:08] <Rubix`> its from 2005
[03:09] <knome> okay
[03:09] <knome> Rubix`, are you sure it's burnt correctly?
[03:09] <Rubix`> yes
[03:09] <Rubix`> it is reconized on other computers
[03:09] <Rubix`> not this one that i actually need it on though :(
[03:09] <knome> okay...
[03:10] <knome> Rubix`, i have very little ideas.
[03:10] <confusious> hmmmmmmmmm just looked in notepad for that letter & that particular broken link idn't even listed in there.Funny since basically notepad is where I do all my letter writing /jotting down notes
[03:10] <confusious> let me try whatknome said though
[03:14] <confusious> Hmmmmmmm okay.well-went to abiword clicked on "file" - "open" then scrolled down to the letter & highlighted it & clicked on open & that is when I get the error message.........and my username is indeed there
[03:14] <knome> confusious, try to open with mousepad
[03:16] <confusious> kind of tried that already but will do again if you wish now....... I have noticed that all these particular files were "last modified" on 4/167/09 at approx2:40 ish pm
[03:16] <confusious> 4/16/09
[03:16] <knome> yeah i would like to know which error it gives
[03:17] <confusious> ﻿error importing file ///home/desktop/letter%20to%20Rick.txt
[03:17] <knome> okay, open a terminal
[03:17] <confusious> ok..........
[03:17] <knome> and cd to Desktop
[03:17] <confusious> term opened
[03:18] <confusious> cd to desktop ??
[03:18] <knome> "cd Desktop"
[03:18] <knome> cd is for change directory
[03:18] <confusious> I'm sorry....you'll have to be gentle with me
[03:18] <knome> no problem :)
[03:19] <confusious> kind of a newb especially to term use
[03:19] <confusious> so what does what you just said mean.......type "cd" in term ?
[03:19] <knome> type "cd Desktop" in the terminal without the wuotes
[03:19] <knome> *quotes
[03:19] <confusious> thanks
[03:20] <knome> then if you type "ls -l letter*", what do you get?
[03:20] <confusious> Hmmmmmm capital "d" ?
[03:20] <knome> yes, capital d :)
[03:20] <confusious> I get more response that way
[03:21] <knome> you should be given a list where you can see the file you are trying to open, right?
[03:21] <confusious> okay....good to go term says............./Desktops
[03:21] <knome> yep, then "ls -l letter*"
[03:21] <confusious> Uhhhhhhh no.......
[03:21] <knome> ?
[03:21] <confusious> all that's there is /desktops
[03:22] <knome> type "ls -l letter*"
[03:22] <confusious> ok
[03:22] <knome> again without the quotes
[03:22] <knome> and press enter :)
[03:22] <knome> do you have any output?
[03:22] <confusious> yes
[03:22] <knome> okay, what is it?
[03:22] <knome> if it's more than 3 lines, use pastebin
[03:22] <knome> !pastebin
[03:23] <confusious> I get...
[03:23] <confusious> lrwxrwxrwx 1 bobby bobby 59 2009-04-16 02:41 letter to union.txt -> /home/bobby/Desktop/Letters In Progress/letter to union.txt
[03:23] <confusious> bobby@cybertek:~/Desktop$
[03:23] <knome> okay
[03:23] <knome> can you open that file from mousepad?
[03:23] <confusious> But,hmmmmmmmm.where is my letter to my brother ?? hmmmmmm
[03:24] <knome> let's get to that next
[03:24] <confusious> Uhhhhhhh hmmmmmmmm okay can you explain to me what it is you want me to do exactly ?
[03:24] <knome> open mousepad and try to open the file "/home/bobby/Desktop/Letters In Progress/letter to union.txt"
[03:24] <knome> going through the file->open menu
[03:25] <confusious> should I just copy/paste what you just typed ?
[03:25] <knome> no, just browse
[03:26] <confusious> cuz those are all diff letters don't know why they're grouped together like that'
[03:26] <confusious> ok
[03:26] <confusious> have already done this though & that's when I get that error message..........
[03:26] <knome> with this file also?
[03:27] <confusious> ahhhhhhhhhh remember though.......that particular letter I can't even seem to find there in notepad for some reason
[03:27] <knome> so can you find this one and open it?
[03:28] <confusious> noooooooo.............
[03:28] <knome> okay, let's go back to terminal
[03:28] <knome> type "ls /home"
[03:28] <confusious> The Letter To Rick Isn't there like it's suppossed to be
[03:28] <knome> what do you get?
[03:28] <confusious> ok
[03:29] <confusious> I get bobby  donna
[03:29] <confusious> bobby@cybertek:~/Desktop$
[03:29] <knome> okay...
[03:29] <knome> seems like the files are tried to link to a path that does not exist.
[03:29] <knome> type "sudo updatedb"
[03:29] <knome> and give your password as the system asks for it
[03:29] <knome> and then wait
[03:30] <confusious> still waiting for response after entering pass
[03:31] <knome> yep, it takes a while
[03:31] <knome> it doesn't give you any output but returns back to the terminal once it's finished
[03:31] <confusious> now I've got......bobby@cybertek:~/Desktop$
[03:31] <knome> okay
[03:31] <knome> now type "locate rick"
[03:32] <confusious> okay now how the heck do all of you guys who do this remember all of this ? Just years of practice ?
[03:32] <confusious> ok knome
[03:32] <knome> maybe or just being geek enough ;)
[03:33] <confusious> Damn.I wanna be a Geek !
[03:33] <confusious> Okay.........
[03:33] <knome> maybe you one day will be if you just mess around enough :)
[03:33] <knome> so do you get any output?
[03:33] <confusious> now I've got........      bobby  donna
[03:33] <confusious> bobby@cybertek:~/Desktop$ sudo updatedb
[03:33] <confusious> [sudo] password for bobby:
[03:33] <confusious> bobby@cybertek:~/Desktop$ locate rick
[03:33] <confusious> /home/bobby/Desktop/Mozilla Tips & Tricks.txt
[03:33] <confusious> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/val-and-rick.desktop
[03:33] <confusious> /usr/share/app-install/icons/val-and-rick.xpm
[03:33] <confusious> /usr/share/doc/imagemagick/images/tricks.png
[03:33] <confusious> /usr/share/gimp/2.0/gimpressionist/Paper/bricks.pgm
[03:33] <confusious> /usr/share/gimp/2.0/gimpressionist/Paper/bricks2.pgm
[03:33] <confusious> /usr/share/gimp/2.0/patterns/brick.pat
[03:33] <confusious> bobby@cybertek:~/Desktop$
[03:33] <confusious>  
[03:34] <knome> i'm sorry, but it looks like you don't have the file :(
[03:34] <knome> try "locate Rick"
[03:35] <confusious> oh well
[03:35] <confusious> ok
[03:35] <knome> i can't remember if locate distincts cases
[03:36] <knome> (apparently it does after a quick test)
[03:36] <confusious> I get... /home/bobby/Desktop/Letter To Rick.txt
[03:36] <confusious> bobby@cybertek:~/Desktop$
[03:36] <knome> okay
[03:36] <knome> so if you type "mousepad Letter To Rick.txt", what happens?
[03:36] <confusious> Yes,"rick" is actually "Rick"
[03:36] <knome> actually...
[03:37] <knome> type "mousepad ", then type "Lette" and press TAB
[03:37] <knome> it will autocomplete the filename
[03:39] <confusious> hmmmmm after I did the first thing you asked it attempted to open a letter but the letter seemed uhhhhhhhhhh definate4ly different
[03:39] <knome> what did it look like?
[03:40] <confusious> it had the word "letter" at the top & then the inside had............
[03:41] <confusious> a greyed out # ! & the  reest of the letter was blank
[03:41] <confusious> #1
[03:41] <knome> right
[03:41] <knome> i see
[03:41] <knome> the correct command is
[03:41] <confusious> do you ?? this is good ?
[03:41] <confusious> ahhhhh
[03:41] <knome> "mousepad Letter\ To\ Rick.txt"
[03:41] <knome> note the backslashes
[03:42] <confusious> uhhhhh huh
[03:42] <knome> (it's just a way to tell the terminal that the space is part of the filename)
[03:44] <knome> what happens now then?
[03:45] <confusious> .........
[03:46] <confusious> I copied & pasted that in term & got..............nothing
[03:47] <knome> okay, if you type "ls -l Letter*", what do you get?
[03:47] <knome> note the big L
[03:48] <confusious> tried again with fresh term & same happened.................
[03:48] <knome> if you're in a fresh terminal, you need to "cd Desktop" first
[03:48] <confusious> got blank page with # 1 off to side greyed out
[03:48] <confusious> are you sure ?
[03:49] <knome> yes, i am sure
[03:49] <confusious> seemed to work even though I didn't do that
[03:49] <confusious> but okay........
[03:49] <knome> yes, but then it only creates a new file
[03:49] <confusious> okay then........
[03:49] <knome> you want to open an existing file so you need to be in the correct directory
[03:51] <confusious> hmmmmmmm got same thing....
[03:51] <knome> uhm
[03:51] <confusious> an emty page
[03:52] <confusious> but......
[03:52] <confusious> it does at least say........"latter to rick" at top
[03:52] <knome> bobby@cybertek:~/Desktop$ mousepad Letter\ To\ Rick.txt
[03:52] <knome> was this the line you had at terminal?
[03:53] <confusious> yes
[03:53] <knome> so if you type "ls -l Letter*", what do you get?
[03:54] <confusious> hmmmmmmmm nothing
[03:54] <knome> nothing?
[03:54] <knome> note the casing
[03:55] <knome> you totally should get output now.
[03:55] <confusious> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wait....
[03:57] <confusious> i just closed one of the "letters" that were opened I now I've got...........
[03:57] <confusious> bobby@cybertek:~/Desktop$ ls -l Letter*
[03:57] <confusious> -rw-r--r-- 1 bobby bobby 1239 2009-07-04 14:16 Letter To LG Electronics.txt
[03:57] <confusious> lrwxrwxrwx 1 bobby bobby   58 2009-04-16 02:41 Letter To Rick.txt -> /home/bobby/Desktop/Letters In Progress/Letter To Rick.txt
[03:57] <confusious> Letters:
[03:57] <confusious> total 0
[03:57] <confusious> bobby@cybertek:~/Desktop$
[03:58] <confusious> bobby@cybertek:~/Desktop$
[03:58] <knome> okay
[03:58] <knome> cd now, if you type "cd Letters\ In\ Progress" and then "ls -l Letter*", what do you get?
[04:00] <confusious> after ﻿cd Letters\ In\ Progress I get...bash: cd: Letters In Progress: No such file or directory
[04:00] <knome> what is the complete "ls" output (please pastebin)
[04:00] <knome> !pastebin | confusious
[04:03] <igsen> How can I remove "Sun Java 6 Web Start" menu?
[04:04] <knome> igsen, you have to edit (or remove) its corresponding .desktop file manually.
[04:04] <knome> i don't know where that is, sorry.
[04:04] <igsen> I have already put "NoDisplay=true" on every "sunjava.desktop" I can locate on my computer but it is still there.
[04:05] <knome> have you tried logging out and in?
[04:05] <igsen> Yes I did
[04:05] <knome> okay...
[04:11] <knome> confusious, ?
[04:12] <confusious> Okay everybody post is @ http://paste.ubuntu.com/220221/
[04:12] <confusious> good luck
[04:14] <knome> confusious, what do you get with "cd Letters" and then "ls" ?
[04:14] <knome> actually, "ls -l"
[04:16] <confusious> with cdletters I get bobby@cybertek:~/Desktop/Letters$
[04:16] <knome> yes, and then type "ls -l"
[04:17] <confusious> and then with ls -l I get total 0
[04:17] <confusious> bobby@cybertek:~/Desktop/Letters$
[04:17] <knome> okay
[04:17] <knome> then i'm afraid i have to tell you that the original letter files seem to be lost.
[04:17] <knome> you have the links pointing to a path that does not exist.
[04:17] <confusious> are you guys sure you want to keep on looking for all this ??
[04:17] <confusious> okay.
[04:18] <confusious> well,not a great loss but can anybody explain to mwe what may have happened ?? I THINK it was because of an update that kind of went afoul
[04:19] <knome> an update does not break filesystems
[04:19] <knome> at least not this way
[04:19] <knome> the only explanation i can think of that you have thought you copied the files but the system only created links to the original
[04:19] <knome> which you since deleted
[04:20] <confusious> hmmmmmmmmmm
[04:20] <knome> there is a possibility that they are in trash, but as they didn't show up on locate...
[04:20] <confusious> that's kind of what I was thinkg
[04:20] <confusious> guess I could go lookl huh ?
[04:20] <knome> sure.
[04:20] <knome> open up thunar
[04:21] <knome> you should see the wastebasket icon on the left
[04:24] <confusious> uhhhhhhhhh ohhhhhhhhh too late.......... just emptied all the garbage again
[04:24] <knome> okay
[04:24] <confusious> sorry knome
[04:24] <knome> sorry to hear
[04:24] <knome> no problem
[04:24] <knome> i wouldn't have done this if i didn't have the passion
[04:24] <confusious> hey thanks sooooooo much for trying my friend
[04:24] <knome> no problem :)
[04:25] <confusious> See you again sooner or later until then peace
[04:26] <knome> yeah. see you and have fun using xubuntu :)
[04:40] <confusious> hey knome u stll there ?
[04:41] <confusious> got another small quest but only if we can do it fairly quickly ! heh heh gotta go & het the woman something to eat !! AND MYSELF
[04:41] <confusious> okay anybody !...............
[04:42] <confusious> I now havew some "broken links" on the desktop & I cannot seem to delete them anybody know what to do with this situation as now I just have useless icons taking up space ???
[04:45] <confusious> hmmmmmmm 53 people here & nobody  wants to talk to confusious ??
[04:45] <confusious> hmmmmmmmmm guess you all just want to saty in the dark then huh ??
[04:45] <confusious>  heh heh
[04:45] <confusious> stay
[04:45] <confusious> good boy !
[04:47] <confusious> ohhhhhhh well try again another time thanks anyway ya'll
[04:47] <confusious> peace  out
[04:48] <knome> uhm
[08:27] <firestarter1> hi. how can I launch from command line the users/groups administration gui ?
[08:27] <firestarter1> hi. how can I launch from command line the users/groups administration graphical interface ?
[08:30] <firestarter1> found. users-admin
[08:32] <firestarter1> the problem is that I can unlock the gui... so I can't add new users. where could be the problem ? I have launched the interface as root
[09:08] <ramrod> does it work when you first switch user?
[09:08] <ramrod> first sudo su
[09:08] <ramrod> then users-admin
[09:08] <ramrod> it works in my case
[09:08] <ramrod> sudo users-admin doesnt work
[09:09] <TheSheep> ramrod: try gksu users-admin
[09:10] <ramrod> ** (users-admin:6751): CRITICAL **: Unable to lookup session information for process '6751'
[09:10] <ramrod> same with sudo users-admin
[09:10] <TheSheep> hmm.. strange, worked first time, not subsequent times
[09:16] <owen1> what's the default display manager in xubuntu.
[09:16] <cody-somerville> owen1, gdm
[09:16] <owen1> cody-somerville: interesting. thanks
[09:17] <cody-somerville> np
[09:30] <owen1> cody-somerville: let's say i want to run an conky with awesome. right now i do it wit a script i run and link to this script from .xinitrc. how to achieve this with gdm?
[09:32] <cody-somerville> owen1, does that not work with gdm?
[09:32] <owen1> dgm is not using .xinitrc
[09:32] <owen1> i think
[09:33] <owen1> right now i have a few lines in .xinitrc, each line different wm
[09:33] <owen1> and i comment all of them except for 1.
[09:34] <owen1> and I also have link to bash script that runs conky in the background.
[09:34] <owen1> so if i want to have conky i uncomment this script.
[09:34] <ablomen> owen1, there is also an "autostarted applications" entry in the settings manager btw, thats where i start conky
[09:36] <owen1> ablomen: ok. but what if i want to run conky with awesome instead of xfce.
[09:36] <owen1> that's why i need to find a way to tell gdm to run my script file.
[09:37] <owen1> but only run it for some of my wms.
[09:37] <owen1> window managers
[09:37] <ablomen> oh awsome is a wm, im guessing editing one of the sessions in /etc somewhere
[09:39] <ablomen> i think it was /etc/xdg where you can add sessions, not sure though
[09:43] <owen1> ablomen: i'll take a look
[09:44] <owen1> /etc/xdg/autostart  -  looks promising
[09:47] <owen1> oops. maybe not
[10:07] <techie> is there anyway i can run a command before i login so a application is running at the logon screen?
[10:12] <ablomen> techie, you would have to make an init file then, or add the command in /etc/rc.local
[10:13] <techie> thankyou ablomen
[10:13] <ablomen> yw
[10:13] <owen1> techie: ablomen is it relevant to my question?
[10:13] <owen1> how to configure gdm to run a script before starting one of my window managers?
[10:14] <techie> owen1: i do believe that ablomen's answer would most likely work in your case aswell
[10:14] <ablomen> no
[10:14] <ablomen> it wont
[10:15] <ablomen> since owen1 wants a userland application to start
[10:15] <ablomen> that should happen after login
[10:15] <techie> hrmm
[10:15] <techie> might he be able to achieve this via run levels?
[10:16] <owen1> techie: so u want to run something BEFORE the login screen (gdm)?
[10:16] <techie> yes, synergy to be exact
[10:16] <ablomen> afaik thats all system wide, conky is user specific, and only works once a dm starts
[10:17] <ablomen> owen1, you should google for making gdm sessions, there should be a lot of content about that
[10:17] <owen1> ablomen: great, thank you
[10:18] <techie> if anyone else is looking for an alternative to buying a KVM switch i highly recommend synergy
[10:20] <owen1> techie: what is this
[10:20] <psycho_oreos> too bad it doesn't do sound switching
[10:21] <psycho_oreos> owen1, its handy when you have more than one box but have only one keyboard+ mouse+ screen, and/or you want to remove clutter :p google up what kvm is
[10:21] <techie> synergy is an application that allows you to control multiple boxes from one keyboard and mouse pair
[10:21] <psycho_oreos> but those computers have to be networked
[10:21] <techie> unfortunately this doesnt show the screen
[10:21] <owen1> psycho_oreos: i have kvm that doesn't work with my keyboard
[10:21] <techie> but its handy none the less
[10:21] <psycho_oreos> techie, heh well its only km then :D
[10:22] <psycho_oreos> owen1, generic brand?
[10:22] <techie> lol
[10:22] <owen1> iogear
[10:23] <techie> http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ and good news is that its on aptitude
[10:23] <psycho_oreos> I've got a kvm here.. its actually kvm+s but I love having two monitors showing two different things on the screen rather than one for both or two for one boxen
[10:23] <owen1> the combination of keys that switches between computers is not available in dinovo edge
[10:23] <psycho_oreos> owen1, never heard, I've got aten, costed me heaps but it was somewhat well worth the money
[10:23] <techie> thats the upside to this app, you just move the mouse off the side of the screen as if it was a second or third screen
[10:24] <techie> no combinations needed
[10:24] <psycho_oreos> so that would make it almost like one of those fancy things you see in beryl/compiz lol
[10:24] <psycho_oreos> workspace switching via cursor movement
[10:25] <techie> sorta
[10:25] <techie> but instead of being a virtual desktop its a whole different box and possibly even different OS
[10:25] <psycho_oreos> yeah
[10:25] <techie> im controlling a Xubuntu box from my 2 screen XP box
[10:26] <psycho_oreos> meaning you have dual display and each box gets to use those two displays?
[10:26] <techie> no, i have a dual display on my xp machine
[10:27] <techie> and another screen on the Xubuntu machine
[10:27] <psycho_oreos> ahh ok
[10:27] <techie> all in all 3 screens
[10:28] <techie> i really want to get a virtual desktop from my xp machine and network it onto this box like xinerama
[10:28] <ablomen> techie, you have looked at freenx/vnc for that already?
[10:29] <techie> been down the vnc path before
[10:29] <techie> too slow
[10:29] <psycho_oreos> never tried xinerama, but synergy literally puts itself almost into the same arena as remote desktop software, like vnc lol
[10:29] <techie> i need something thats optimised for a virtual screen
[10:29] <ablomen> freenx should be a lot faster, havnt tried it myself though
[10:30] <techie> i wil have to look into that
[10:30] <psycho_oreos> there was supposedly a new mode in which vnc can render the updates faster, I think it was using delta display driver or something.. realvnc has it
[10:31] <techie> i have come across applications that do exactly what i need in the past but theyve been for the wrong OS
[10:32] <techie> http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/  <--- for OS X
[10:32] <techie> whoops, wrong link
[10:32] <techie> http://www.screenrecycler.com/home.html
[10:33] <techie> i also found a windows <--> windows application that does the same thing... but im having trouble gettign xp to install as my dvd burner is packign a sad
[10:34] <techie> http://www.maxivista.com/
[10:35] <techie> maybe ill try installing ME then upgradign to XP vi a USB drive tonight
[10:38] <techie> actually ill do that now
[10:38] <techie> ill jump back on from my windows box
[10:49] <owen1> i want to add querty to my keyboard layout. what is the name for US querty?
[10:50] <owen1> Alternative International?
[10:50] <Techie> hehe i just realised win ME recommended specs are a 300mhz cpu and 32mb RAM
[10:50] <Techie> should be USA keyboard USA layout
[10:50] <Techie> atleast thats what it is in the installer
[10:51] <ablomen> alternative international has sticky keys
[10:51] <ablomen> (when you press the ' key and then e youll get é)
[10:52] <owen1> i am in the keybard layout selection. I opened 'USA'. i see: cherokee, devorak, colemak, macintosh, more devork types, russian phonetic..
[10:53] <owen1> btw, i installed xfce. not xubuntu.
[10:57] <owen1> i think i might not have querty? since at the installation i chose dvorak.
[10:57] <Techie> possibly, but i wouldnt think so
[10:58] <owen1> i see querty under some other languages.
[10:58] <owen1> slovakia,
[10:58] <Techie> ...
[10:58] <owen1> hungary
[10:58] <owen1> etc
[10:58] <Techie> hrmm
[10:58] <Techie> nothing under US or USA?
[10:59] <owen1> no querty
[10:59] <ablomen> owen1, international
[10:59] <ablomen> not querty
[11:00] <ablomen> us int == querty
[11:00] <owen1> i have 2 - altGr dead keys / with dead keys
[11:00] <owen1> which international should i chose?
[11:00] <ablomen> altGr gives you extra chars by pressing altgr+a key, i find it usefull
[11:01] <owen1> what's altgr
[11:01] <ablomen> (a key as in any key, not the actually A key)
[11:01] <ablomen> your right alt
[11:01] <owen1> ok. will i still be able to use it for alt arrow?
[11:01] <ablomen> works like a shift key, shift+1 gives me !, right-alt+1 gives me ¡
[11:02] <ablomen> alt arrow?
[11:02] <owen1> in irssi
[11:02] <owen1> i use alt+left arrow
[11:02] <owen1> in FF i use it for back forward
[11:02] <owen1> firefox
[11:02] <ablomen> well your left alt wont change, i think the right alt wont work though, not sure
[11:02] <owen1> ok. i'll choose no altGr
[11:05] <owen1> is there a layout switcher i can add to a panel?
[11:06] <ablomen> yes there is
[11:07] <owen1> maybe i need to manualy install it
[11:07] <ablomen> xfce4-goodies
[11:07] <ablomen> i think its in there
[11:08] <owen1> thanks
[11:11] <owen1> i still don't see language switcher there
[11:11] <owen1> (installed the goodies
[11:12] <ablomen> hmm, i have "keyboard layout switcher" in my "add items to panel" screen, and i know i didnt install it seperatly
[11:12] <owen1> i only installed xfce3 and xfce4-goodies
[11:12] <owen1> xfce4
[11:12] <knome> "Keyboard Layouts"
[11:13] <knome> owen1, i'd recommend installing xubuntu-desktop, but that's up to you.
[11:13] <owen1> knome: i will probably do it
[11:13] <knome> owen1, you might do it instantly, as that probably solves this also.
[11:14] <owen1> it was 200mb vs 50mb (i think)
[11:14] <knome> i honestly think it's worth it
[11:14] <knome> you can always uninstall stuff you don't like
[11:14] <knome> or want
[11:15] <owen1> 150mb for a language swicher...
[11:16] <knome> it's not only language switcher you get.
[11:16] <owen1> a bash script is 1 k...
[11:16] <knome> right, don't install xubuntu-desktop then
[11:16] <owen1> knome: come on. i am kidding.
[11:16] <knome> but do understand you might have some problems
[11:17] <owen1> i'll run 'aptitude show' to see why it's so big.
[11:17] <ablomen> (xfce4-xkb-plugin << thats it i think, but i doo agree with knome)
[11:17] <knome> owen1, it'll bring abiword and gnumeric in for example
[11:18] <owen1> thanks guys. installing the xkb
[11:21] <owen1> it works. now i am trying to find what is running behind the surface when i switch between querty and dvorak. i think it's setxkbmap -layout us  but i am not sure.
[11:24] <ablomen> owen1, goodies.xfce.org << you can browse the source here :)
[11:24] <owen1> c++?
[11:25] <owen1> setxkbmap -layout dvorak   and       setxkbmap -layout us
[11:29] <owen1> now for my final investigation. why when i run those commands with awesome windom manager i get: "Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property. Use defaults: rules - 'xorg' model - 'pc105' layout - 'us"
[11:29] <owen1> and arrow keys, alt, ctrl, pageup, pagedown stop working.
[11:30] <owen1> maybe now after installing xfce4-xkb-plugin it will work with no issues?
[11:30] <th0r> owen1: (th0r is waiting for an expert before offering a suggestion <smile>)
[11:31] <owen1> th0r: any hints?
[11:31] <th0r> owen1: it looks like there is no definition for the keyboard layout so X is using a default, which obviously doesn't work quite right.
[11:32] <th0r> owen1: I would suggest (maybe with the plugin you just mentioned) redefining the keyboard (I would first try US-101) and see if that helps
[11:32] <owen1> but why is it working on xfce?
[11:33] <th0r> owen1: where is it NOT working?
[11:33] <owen1> th0r: in awesome
[11:33] <th0r> owen1: sorry...not familiar with awesome
[11:33] <owen1> but let me try again. maybe i had to install xfce4-xkb-plugin
[11:33] <owen1> th0r: u should try awesome. it's a tiling wm
[11:34] <owen1> very powerful
[11:34] <owen1> ok. logging in with awesome. don't go anywere (-:
[11:37] <th0r> owen1: looks like awesome does not use the same definition file for the keyboard as xfce, which would explain the diff.
[11:39] <owen1> th0r: ablomen good news! thank you so much guys
[11:39] <owen1> i guess it was the plugin
[11:39] <ablomen> heh good :0
[11:39] <ablomen> * :)
[11:48] <owen1> when i use dgm it seems like .Xdefault is not used.  is it true?
[11:49] <owen1> (i think so since my xterm looks like crap)
[11:49] <th0r> owen1: from what I read awesome doesnt use the xlib, so it is quite possible .xdefaults isn't read
[11:51] <owen1> th0r: when i login from console i run starx, which calls .xininrc and i think also .xdefaults. the problem is only when i don't use the console to login and instead i use gdm.
[11:52] <owen1> gdm is not calling .xinitrc by default. (i still need to find a way to configure it). i guess it also not using .Xdefaults
[11:52] <th0r> owen1: yeah...gdm doesn't use .xdefaults, or .profile either if I recall
[11:52] <owen1> so how do i tell him to use it?
[11:54] <th0r> owen1: I wasn't able to find a way....almost went back to using startx
[11:54] <owen1> th0r: wow, i guess i'll use startx...
[11:55] <owen1> i already installed gdm. if i run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, will it not never show up?
[11:55] <owen1> will it never show up?
[11:55] <th0r> owen1: yeah....last time I ended up installing wdm to replace gdm....found gdm had too many limitations
[11:55] <owen1> th0r: ok. bye bye gdm
[11:57] <th0r> owen1: might just do that again if I am in the mood <smile>
[12:02] <owen1> http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/2820/slim-gdm-and-xdefaults-file-solved/
[12:03] <owen1> i guess there are workarounds, but why bother. just use console based login.
[12:04] <owen1> good night@!
[12:04] <owen1> and thanks
[12:05] <owen1> only 58 nick but a lot of smart cookies
[12:19] <Techie> owen1: lol
[12:19] <Techie> i found a solution to my virtual screen issue
[12:19] <Techie> http://www.zoneos.com/zonescreen.htm
[12:50] <poopuser> Good morning. Any of you gentleman is using or knew how to setup gnubox?
[13:27] <QuantumKaos> can anyone suggest a GOOD tv shows and stuff free streaming site? (not the ones with mediavideo links, its always bad quality)ù
[13:29] <knome> ehm.
[13:53] <SiDi> QuantumKaos: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#unlawful
[13:53] <SiDi> this one is very good
[13:54] <QuantumKaos> SiDi, im not gonna click on that link
[13:54] <QuantumKaos> i no what u wanna say
[13:54] <QuantumKaos> but i didnt ask anything like that
[13:54] <QuantumKaos> at all
[13:55]  * SiDi scratches head trying to find Free tv shows, or websites who accept to pay copyright holders and broadcast TV shows for FREE.
[13:55]  * SiDi fails
[13:57] <QuantumKaos> whatever man, they do exist, its a reality, and if they're there, they're there for someone to watch em thatz it
[13:57] <QuantumKaos> and if u do watch em u cant be persecuted for it
[13:57] <QuantumKaos> same thing with p2p
[13:57] <SiDi> This channel is about support for the Xubuntu operating system, not for highly-probably illegal streaming websites
[13:58] <QuantumKaos> ah c'mon man, give me a break
[13:58] <SiDi> As you're here, you have to abide the Freenode policy aswell as the channels rule. If you don't, feel free to leave.
[13:58] <QuantumKaos> indeed :D
[13:58] <QuantumKaos> all this rumour for just one question
[13:58] <QuantumKaos> wooo i feel important :D
[14:12] <sean_worker> I have not been able to find any docs about this online, so I thought I'd ask the list:
[14:12] <sean_worker> if I enable transparency of pop-up windows, my screen save (unless it uses opengl) is transparent
[14:12] <bummple> hi, I was just using the xubuntu live cd without a hitch, so I installed it
[14:13] <bummple> but now, I can't use my touchpad
[14:13] <sean_worker> other than disabling the transparency for popups, is there a way around this?
[14:13] <bummple> it's a lenovo t61
[14:13] <bummple> I didn't have this problem with ubuntu
[14:14] <SiDi> bummple: it sounds more like a kernel / xorg issue than XFCE/GNOME issue :/
[14:14] <bummple> is there any way I can 'probe' for it?
[14:14] <SiDi> Check in Apps -> Parameters -> Mouse if you see any mouse
[14:14] <bummple> hehe, any way from pure terminal?
[14:15]  * SiDi doesn't know ^.^
[14:15] <bummple> okey
[14:15] <bummple> thanks anyway
[14:15] <SiDi> Are you sure there hasnt also been a kernel update ?
[14:15] <sean_worker> bummple: can't you navigate with the trackpoint for now?
[14:15] <bummple> nope, that's not recognized either
[14:16] <sean_worker> on my x61 I have had no mouse issues ... if the trackpoint doesn't work, I'd be surprised if it is a kernel issue
[14:16] <sean_worker> (I'm on the latest of 9.04)
[14:17] <sean_worker> can you try reconfiguring X?
[14:17] <sean_worker> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (I think)
[14:18] <bummple> giving that a shot
[14:19] <bummple> hmm, seemed to be a lot about keyboards but nothing about the mouse
[14:19] <bummple> boogles my mind that the live cd worked just fine
[14:22] <bummple> reinstalling is probably futile?
[14:22] <bummple> I can't seem to google any similar problems
[14:22] <SiDi> bummple: where you on ubuntu 9.04 too ?
[14:22] <bummple> yep
[14:22] <SiDi> on 2.6.28-11 ?
[14:24] <bummple> -12
[14:24] <bummple> ERR
[14:24] <bummple> -13
[14:28] <bummple> any other ideas?
[14:29] <SiDi> nop
[14:29] <SiDi> and i need to go :/
[14:29] <SiDi> but the people n #ubuntu may be able to help you
[14:29] <SiDi> i dont think its xubuntu specific
[14:30] <bummple> okay, thanks
[15:09] <bummple> just wanted to let you guys know that a reinstall proved succesful for whatever reason
[15:27] <crazygir> I've an issue with networking that is stumping me a bit.. I can access websites, ssh, etc fine.. though ftp isn't able to resolve, and I can't ping places like www.gooogle.com, but I can ping hosts on the LAN. I previously had two interfaces, one of which was supposed to be dedicated to vbox, but would somehow goof up the connections after some use. I've since removed the extra card, and setup eth1 (there's no eth0 for some reason) in /etc/networks
[15:27] <crazygir> any thoughts? not sure what I'm missing here
[15:29] <ablomen> crazygir, it probably is a wrong dns setting
[15:29] <ablomen> try pinging 216.239.59.104
[15:29] <ablomen> (google)
[15:32] <crazygir>  dns works fine with http/firefox
[15:32] <ablomen> oh ok
[15:32] <crazygir> and I tried the ip directly, no go
[15:32] <crazygir> IM's like aim/icq don't work, nor ftp
[15:33] <crazygir> rest of the network is fine, and I didn't have the issue last night. I accessed the vm from home last night, and I think that is what goofs up the configuration with the other network card
[15:33] <crazygir> but at this point, I've removed that card and explicitly set dhcp in /etc/networking/interfaces for eth1
[15:34] <crazygir> so I'm a bit at a loss.
[15:35] <ablomen> just taking guesses here, but does eth0 still show up if you run ifconfig -a?
[15:36] <crazygir> nope
[15:37] <ablomen> hmm
[15:42]  * crazygir scratches his head
[15:47] <knome> itches?
[15:49] <Kangarooo> how to know if video card driver is installed? on xubuntu?
[15:50] <gorgut> hey folks. I'm having some troubles with something corrupting my video memory it seems. have there been any problems with recent upgrades to dbus/hal or the like?
[15:50] <gorgut> Kangarooo: which driver are you looking for?
[15:53] <Kangarooo> video
[15:54] <ablomen> Kangarooo, he ment what video driver
[15:55] <Kangarooo> ah and here are xubuntu creators also yes? i just tryd linux mint xfce and there in shutdown menu is button switch user.. ill later update one bug report with pictur about this
[15:55] <crazygir> knome: yea, it'd be nice to have networking all up and spiffy :P
[15:55] <Kangarooo> sis
[15:55] <Kangarooo> sis 651 or sis 650 or sis 65x
[15:56] <gorgut> well, to see if it's loaded, you could do a "lsmod | grep sis*"
[15:57] <Kangarooo> in windows properties it shows sis 650 in linux terminal it shows sis 65x
[15:57] <gorgut> i'm confused as to what you're trying to accomplish..?
[16:00] <Kangarooo> gorgut: well system is alittle slow. i want to reinstall all and delete windows but for last time i loged in windows and it loaded in 20sec. strange.. i took time how long xubuntu loads and its 1 min 40 sec. and i found that there is problematic or no driver for my video card. i contacted sis company and searched a lot info. i now saved important data so now befor reinstall ill try to get video driver better. i think its not installed.
[16:01] <gorgut> well, if you have any video, it seems you have some video driver installed. :D
[16:01] <gorgut> time for lunch. be back later.
[16:02] <Kangarooo> so to research about this card and also is card driver reason for so long loading i want to try some modified drivers but first is it installed.. in ubuntu its easy system -> hardware drivers.
[16:06] <Kangarooo> ups pressed wrong key..
[16:06] <Kangarooo> ok so here is lsmod | grep sis* http://pastebin.com/f3b588e51 is this driver then installed or not?
[16:15] <hhh2> how can i see which video driver is installed ?
[16:16] <ablomen> Kangarooo, yep seems like the sis driver is loaded
[16:25] <crazygir> do these routes look right? http://pastebin.ca/1498345
[16:25] <crazygir> I'm still stuck on this networking issue
[16:29] <charlie-tca> crazygir: looks like eth1 is connected; it uses 172.20.10.1 as it's gateway
[16:29] <charlie-tca> But you seem to have two ip's on eth1
[16:32] <charlie-tca> looks right to me
[16:50] <Anish> Heya
[16:51] <Anish> Guys, how can I make a live USB from XUbuntu
[16:54] <bummple> There are 3rd party programs that will do this for you
[16:54] <Kangarooo> Anish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[16:54] <bummple> it will take the iso and build it to boot from USB, I don't think xubuntu specifically has a program included like ubuntu does
[16:55] <charlie-tca> Anish: http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/ubuntu-from-your-flash-drive-easier-than-ever-before/
[16:57] <cody-somerville> install usb-creator
[16:59] <Kangarooo> Anish: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-xubuntu-904-persistent-install-windows/
[17:35] <Anish> Heya guys!
[17:35] <Anish> I just wanted to ask.. how to install Xubuntu on USB USING Windows. I have the ISO
[17:36] <charlie-tca> !install
[17:41] <Anish> I CANT use a CD
[17:41] <Anish> Need to get it on a NETBOOK
[17:42] <charlie-tca> Can't use this? Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs
[17:44] <SiDi> !unetbootin
[17:44] <SiDi> Anish, ^
[17:44] <Anish> Hmm?
[17:46] <SiDi> Anish, what you need is unetbootin
[17:46] <SiDi> it's a piece of software that helps you install OSes on USB keys
[17:47] <Anish123> Sorry
[17:47] <Anish123> It got shut off
[17:47] <SiDi> !unetbootin
[17:47] <SiDi> here, Anish123
[17:52] <armada> Hi
[17:52] <armada> I instaled xubuntu in safe graphic mode and now I can't get out of it
[17:52] <armada> any help?
[17:53] <armada> I cant change the resolution of the screen nothing :(
[17:53] <charlie-tca> !patience
[17:54] <th0r> armada: you can force x to reconfigure....but I won't guarantee it will work. Just a sec and I will get the command
[17:54] <th0r> armada: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[17:55] <th0r> armada: but if you had problems with X during install (I assume therre was a reason you used safe mode) then this might just bring those problems back
[17:56] <armada> i just paste that in the termnal?
[17:56] <armada> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[17:56] <armada>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20090717175629
[17:56] <th0r> armada: yea...that will work...but like I said...it might make matters worse if there was a reason for safe mode to begin with
[17:56] <armada> nothing happens :(
[17:57] <th0r> armada: I suspect you need to reboot...or at least restart X
[17:57] <armada> I saw that solution in a forum
[17:57] <armada> and i've used it before but nothing happens
[17:57] <armada> :(
[17:58] <armada> do you think a reboot will solve the problem?
[18:00] <th0r> armada: not if that command has failed in the past...it will just fail again
[18:00] <armada> do u have any idea of what may be wrong for that command?
[18:01] <th0r> armada: I am no X expert. you might try #ubuntu....there are some there  sometimes who are pretty good with X configs
[18:01] <armada> oki I'll try there
[18:01] <armada> Thankx th0r
[18:06] <charlie-tca> armada: Try looking in Applications -> System -> Hardware Drivers for any thing.
[18:06] <charlie-tca> You may be running the vesa video driver and just need to install the restricted driver for your video card
[18:39] <gorgut> anyone have any idea what might cause video card memory corruption and freezing?
[18:40] <gorgut> and i'm not sure if it's a related symptom or not, but sometimes my ethernet port is not detected
[18:46] <Anish123> Heya guys
[18:46] <Anish123> I have a really serious error here
[18:46] <Anish123> Loading /ubnkern....................
[18:46] <Anish123> Loading /ubninit.................... ... ......ready.
[18:46] <Anish123> [ 0.548002] MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC
[18:46] <Anish123> [ 2.340013] ata1: softreset failed (device not ready)
[18:46] <Anish123> modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[18:46] <TheSheep> gorgut: might be anything, from bug in the driver to faulty hardware
[18:46] <Anish123> This is the message it shows when I try to boot from USB
[18:46] <th0r> Anish123: run 'sudo depmod -a'
[18:47] <Anish123> How?
[18:47] <Anish123> It shows the kernel intris - something
[18:47] <Anish123> Busy Box
[18:47] <TheSheep> initrd
[18:47] <Anish123> modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[18:47] <Anish123> Loading, please wait...
[18:47] <Anish123> BusyBox v1.10.2 (Ubuntu 1...)
[18:47] <Anish123> ...
[18:47] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[18:48] <Anish123> Ok...
[18:48] <TheSheep> Anish123: try typing depmod -a at that prompt
[18:48] <Anish123> depmod -a
[18:48] <Anish123> Ok...
[18:48] <th0r> that should be sudo depmod -a I think
[18:48] <Anish123> Also, its only the problem with USB
[18:48] <gorgut> TheSheep: I noticed updates for dbus and hal rolled out in the past few days. Think it could be related?
[18:48] <Anish123> CD's boot fine
[18:48] <Anish123> Another thing I should tell you guys
[18:49] <Anish123> I run an AMD 64 Processor, but am running a 32 bit version
[18:49] <TheSheep> gorgut: hal is rather for input devices like keyboard and mouse
[18:49] <Anish123> Shouldn't be a problem, right?
[18:50] <TheSheep> Anish123: shouldn't
[18:50] <Anish123> OK rebooting NOW
[18:53] <gorgut> TheSheep:  I seem to be getting a lot of "no MTRR" errors in kern.log. Am i interpreting that correctly as memory corruption? The addressess it lists are assigned to my video card in lspci
[18:55] <TheSheep> gorgut: I'm not that advanced. Maybe the memcheck will tell you more?
[18:58] <Anish123> Guys
[18:58] <Anish123> Anish here
[18:59] <Anish123> Turns out initramfs does not accept sudo
[18:59] <Anish123> It says
[18:59] <Anish123> modprobe : Fatal: could not load /lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/modules.dep : No such file or directory
[18:59] <Anish123> What do I do?
[19:01] <th0r> Anish123: http://pastebin.com/f66ce4d63
[19:01] <th0r> Anish123: that's my modules.dep for -11....might help, might just make matters worse <smile>
[19:03] <Anish123> OK
[19:03] <Anish123> What do I do with all that text?
[19:03] <Anish123> BTW I used unetbootin to make uSB
[19:03] <th0r> Anish123: paste it into a text editor, save the file as modules.dep and move it to the right location. And it is for booting from a hard drive, don't know if there are any differences booting from usb
[19:04] <th0r> Anish123: is the directory there and just modules.dep missing or is the whole directory missing?
[19:04] <Anish123> Another problem
[19:04] <th0r> Anish123: maybe you are running the wrong kernel
[19:04] <Anish123> I cant find the directory using windows
[19:04] <Anish123> RUNNING THE WRONG KERNEL?
[19:05] <Anish123> (sweat)
[19:06] <Anish123> will I find the directory ONLY if I use Xubuntu or even if I use WIndows 7?
[19:07] <th0r> Anish123: for xp there was a way to install ext3 in windows, but I don't know if it works for vista or 7
[19:07] <th0r> Anish123: and if you used ext4...well....
[19:07] <Anish123> Not ext4
[19:07] <Anish123> FAT32 formatted USB Drive- 4 GB Transcend
[19:08] <th0r> Anish123: then you should be able to read it in windows.
[19:08] <Anish123> Cant...
[19:08] <Anish123> Its showing FIle System - FAT32
[19:09] <th0r> Anish123: I have never put linux on a usb drive....afraid I can't be much help with that
[19:09] <Anish123> And yeah!
[19:10] <Anish123> The entire directory does not exist
[19:10] <Anish123> running the wrong kernel you said...
[19:10] <th0r> Anish123: but you can see /lib?
[19:10] <Anish123> No...
[19:11] <th0r> Anish123: if there is no /lib then there are larger problems than missing modules.dep
[19:11] <Anish123> I simply used uNetBootin to make it from ISO to a USB file
[19:45] <benoror> Hi, question, does Xubuntu 9.04 support Notify-OSD as a unified notification system ? If so, does Compiz has to be enabled ?
[21:49] <SiDi> Why do people leave before i answer ? :(
[23:07] <homebrewcider> hello, using xubuntu 9.04, my taskbar has disappeared, I'm struggling to get it back, can anyone help please?