/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/18/#kubuntu.txt

kalamarnur	hm, I am sure that there is a shortcut for alternating on the desktops. Any1 has the patience to tell me? :)	00:07
wotan_	hi, i was updating to kde 4.3rc, but the laptop ran out of battery in the middle of the process	00:08
wotan_	and with my xfs filesystem the installation is corrupt	00:08
wotan_	for instance, i can't create new accounts for kopete, and the K menu has no applications	00:09
wotan_	anyone knows what package i can reinstall to fix this?	00:09
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BluesKaj	wotan, sudo dpkg-reconfigure kubuntu-desktop	00:11
wotan_	well, i managed to finish the reconfiguration of the packages after rebooting	00:15
wotan_	but i think some files vanished when the laptop turned off	00:15
wotan_	it happened to me more times, and i think it's because of xfs...	00:16
wotan_	well, i can wait to the next kde4.3 release, and check if everything installs correctly :)	00:18
DaskreeCH	wotan_: Well... if youcan't wait... :-)	00:21
BluesKaj	wotan_, why wait ?	00:21
DaskreeCH	avihay: I don't know what the problem is I've never heard of the actual letter keys disappaering and the rest working	00:21
DaskreeCH	KDE 4.0 shipped with a bug where 'e' vanished but that's the closest	00:22
DaskreeCH	kalamarnur: try Ctrl+Fn	00:22
DaskreeCH	wotan_: try sudo apt-get -f install	00:22
wotan_	because apt will hopefully update all kde packages and fix this mess	00:23
wotan_	yes, i did it and no errors	00:23
avihay	well, everything from the keyboard that is roted to the application is totaly ignored DaskreeCH	00:23
DaskreeCH	avihay: What does that mean?	00:23
DaskreeCH	wotan_: sudo dpkg --configure -all	00:24
DaskreeCH	hope that wasn't from my suggestion	00:24
BluesKaj	heh :P	00:25
avihay	kalamarnur: ctrl+desktop_number	00:25
wotan	everything configured :)	00:25
wotan	but the problem is still there	00:25
DaskreeCH	avihay: it'sF<desktopnumber>	00:26
wotan	btw, almost all my .kde configuration files were reseted	00:26
DaskreeCH	wotan: I normally back those up before an upgrade	00:26
DaskreeCH	I likes my mail and RSS feeds	00:26
avihay	woops, right	00:26
wotan	plasma, kopete, amarok... returned to default settings	00:26
avihay	DaskreeCH: most "normal" programs get most of the keypresses routed to them when they are "raised", except for shortcuts that are already registered(global shortcuts) and xkb's special keys	00:28
avihay	some of my programs, I belive the ones that use the qt library, tend to sometimes ignore keybord input	00:29
DaskreeCH	avihay: Check in #kwin	00:31
avihay	the computer is still useable, but the program itself is only useable with the mouse, untill I close the program. sometimes alt-tabing once or twice (works with the mouse too, I belive) will snap the program out of it, but if that didn't work after once or twice, the program is as good as gone	00:31
avihay	humm, ok	00:31
schirpich	anyone have any idea why dolphin would stop asking for authentication to any samba shares causing it to fail to connect? However I can successfully connect via smbclient in the console	00:54
schirpich	it can see the server, and the servers shares. but when i try to access a share, it tries for about 30 seconds and then just gives an Access Denied error without ever prompting me for a login/pass	00:55
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fritzisonline	hi all, i've made some changes on /etc/hosts file and now i can't login cos my disc gone completely full!, how should i recover that?	01:08
avihay	fritzisonline: if you have a live-cd lying around, you can delete some files for some space	01:09
fritzisonline	yes i could that. i cleand up some spaces by live cd and midnight commander but when i try to log in, i can pass the login screen but suddenly drops me in login screen back	01:10
fritzisonline	i also reset my hosts file with live cd session.	01:11
avihay	humm, well, last time my HDD got full, all my settings got erased because of the way the system insists on managing the settings files	01:11
fritzisonline	probably the same problem	01:11
fritzisonline	please excuse my grammer .. is there anyway to recover ? or is it something fatal?	01:13
DaskreeCH	schirpich: Try closing dolphin and reopeneing it	01:14
avihay	I can suggest you rename your hidden .kde or .kde4 folder (that's where the relevent settings should be) let it boot	01:14
DaskreeCH	fritzisonline: are you sure it's a full disc causing the problems?	01:15
avihay	and start recovering your personal settings from your backup to the autocreated settings	01:15
fritzisonline	yep, at least the problem occured after it	01:15
fritzisonline	i noticed	01:15
DaskreeCH	avihay: ah yes you had a list of unraised issues?	01:15
avihay	yes	01:15
DaskreeCH	fritzisonline: Then yes clean up some space I would suggest checking in /var/cache/apt/archives	01:15
fritzisonline	ok. last time i started recovery mode and i reinstalled almost all packages the system suggested to do, was that about /var/cache/apt/archives?	01:18
fritzisonline	i think apt archive has been reset now then	01:19
avihay	DaskreeCH: were you being sarcastic? because I always use the gui tools insted of manualy editing	01:20
fritzisonline	nope!	01:21
fritzisonline	i mean when i restart the system i can start with recovery mode and the first menu asks me if i like to choose to repair dpkg packages, so i did...	01:22
fritzisonline	oops!	01:22
fritzisonline	well i 'll try the change .kde folder's name	01:23
fritzisonline	thanks.	01:23
DaskreeCH	avihay: no you said you had a list of issues with kubuntu I wanted to hear them	01:25
avihay	list: 1)keyboard stops responding in qt apps 2) qt apps's edit boxes won't redraw properly 3)drawing bug in kate (qt too, I belive) 3)taskbar popups under easy to reproduce conditions redraw the wrong area of the screen, and uses the wrong z-order while doing so 4)firefox tends to have choppy sound after a (long) while of useing flash apps (using flashplugin-nonfree)(closeing FF and reopeining it solves it for a (long) while)	01:25
DaskreeCH	fritzisonline: try running sudo apt-get clean	01:26
avihay	5)KNetworkManager (nuff said) 6)wicd won't allow me to create an encripted ad-hock wierless network for some reason, I think I just need som packages other then wpasupplicent	01:27
DaskreeCH	avihay: other than the last one have you filed bugs on it ?	01:27
DaskreeCH	avihay: :-) Yeah knetworkmanager hasn't been released yet so that will get better after it's been released	01:27
avihay	the knetworkmanager initial releases were #^%$^# for about three consecutive distributions now	01:29
avihay	I thought I had something wrong with my computer, and was utterly networkless for a week in the university	01:29
DaskreeCH	avihay: Knetworkmanager hasn't had a single release yet	01:31
DaskreeCH	Well the KDE4 one	01:32
avihay	the plasomoid	01:33
bernardlychan	hey anyone know how to start vnc on kde?	01:33
avihay	was released...	01:33
Zakin	buenas	01:34
bernardlychan	hey anyone know how to start vnc on kde?	01:34
avihay	and there was a normal system trey knetwork manager of kde4	01:35
Zakin	Hello I need help to connect with my router	01:36
avihay	of->for	01:36
DaskreeCH	avihay: Nope it gets released with KDE 4.3 which still isn't out yet	01:37
avihay	so what is that plasmoid that got installed when I upgraded to 9.04?	01:37
DaskreeCH	avihay: That was KDE3 and it doesn't work with Network manager 0.7 which is of course a problem as that's what Ubuntu ships with	01:38
avihay	didn't know plasmoids could work on kde3	01:38
DaskreeCH	avihay: A backported unreleased Knetworkmanager	01:38
DaskreeCH	avihay: If it's in the system tray it's not aplasmoid	01:38
DaskreeCH	at least not currently. That will happen somewhere between KDe 4.3 and 4.4	01:38
avihay	le's start with the plasmoid that came with 9.04	01:39
avihay	maybe we should go offtopic	01:39
DaskreeCH	!ot	01:40
ubottu	#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!	01:40
Zakin	alguien que hable español?	01:41
Zakin	necesito ayuda	01:41
bazhang	!es	01:41
ubottu	En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.	01:41
Zakin	ty	01:42
bryan	hello fellow kubuntu users!	02:03
camahueto	Hi	02:05
camahueto	all	02:06
_dennister	hey guys, unusual situation, i install kubuntu on user's machine, (p4, integrated graphics) didn't have to change xorg.conf at all to watch dvds, user takes box home, and can't get xserver to load...just grey screen with x in middle...only things changed were monitor, keyboard and mouse...she can't even get livecd to load fully...any ideas what happened?	02:10
_dennister	clue was that there xorg.conf did get re-written, but she wouldn't have done that or caused it to happen	02:11
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kraig	hello	02:20
kraig	is there anybody out there	02:20
wirechief_	dennister you changed the monitor, you need to reconfigure the xorg.conf again	02:20
Gargoyle76	yeees	02:21
DaskreeCH	!hi \| kraig	02:26
ubottu	kraig: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!	02:26
kraig	hey how it going	02:26
DaskreeCH	dennister: Monitor? maybe	02:26
DaskreeCH	Not bad	02:26
kraig	im new to this but i like it everything is free	02:27
komet	cheerio all	02:56
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fritzisonline	hia all me back again :( .. i've been struggling for hours but the problem still goes on...	03:05
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fritzisonline	even i remove lots of packages my disc says still 0 B out of 14.GB space	03:06
fritzisonline	and can't login	03:06
fritzisonline	i've changed .kde folder name and didn't solve the login problem	03:07
bazhang	fritzisonline, what about in safe mode	03:07
avihay	fritzisonline: is your home folder on a different partition then your root?	03:07
fritzisonline	1- i've been on safe mode and done what i could ...	03:08
komet	didnt even know linux had a decent safe mode o_o	03:08
bazhang	fritzisonline, you have never been able to log in?	03:08
fritzisonline	and 2- no. my home folder is in first (boot) part.	03:08
avihay	it's just single user mode	03:08
fritzisonline	i can login, but after passed the login screen it drop me in login screen back again	03:09
walzmyn	how can I see what my wireless card is?	03:09
bazhang	fritzisonline, regular install? dual boot? wubi install?	03:09
avihay	walzmyn: lspci for pci cards, lsusb for usbcards or lshw\|less for every bolt and nut	03:10
walzmyn	avihay, thankyouverymuch	03:10
avihay	in a terminall that is	03:10
bazhang	sudo lshw	03:10
* walzmyn nods		03:10
fritzisonline	it was a regular one, and i've been using it for 1 year with a regular user without losing password or any other stupid wrong	03:10
fritzisonline	:~(	03:11
bazhang	fritzisonline, when did this change? install a ppa, or something other	03:11
fritzisonline	i only changed /etc/hosts file then my network manager started checking the last changes it took loooong time	03:12
walzmyn	If everybody had the problems with winders that I did, Linux and Mac would be all that's left	03:12
avihay	fritzisonline: try runing $ cat /etc/fstab \|grep /home	03:13
avihay	without the $	03:13
avihay	is it empty, or do you get a line?	03:13
avihay	err, forgot, you have to run it in "safe mode" and not from a live-cd	03:13
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fritzisonline	avihay: should i try cat... on live-cd session now?	03:14
avihay	no, won't help much	03:15
fritzisonline	ok so, i have to leave and restart it	03:15
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fritzisonline	thanks for now. hope i won' need back in here	03:15
fritzisonline	ciao	03:15
avihay	if you brows to your root folder (/ and not /root), you should see a home folder	03:15
avihay	kjvhskgsw	03:16
fritzisonline	yeah?	03:16
avihay	I mean if you brows your hdd	03:16
avihay	you should see a home folder	03:16
avihay	browse*	03:17
avihay	is that home folder empty or does it have your username in it?	03:17
fritzisonline	ok ..	03:17
bjb1959_	I have a problem with kde and firefox. i constantly get this error "Firefox is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Firefox process, or restart your system." until I do a killall firefox why? doesn't happen in gnome	03:18
walzmyn	bjb1959_, just use opera :)	03:21
avihay	walzmyn: does opera give you the plugin diversity of FF?	03:22
bjb1959_	that is, of course one option that I may be forced to use or use gnome as my window manager just thought I'd see if someone knows how to fix it first	03:23
walzmyn	bjb1959_, sorry, I don't know what causes that	03:23
walzmyn	avihay, no, but it does provide a much smoother, nicer interface from the get go	03:23
bjb1959_	Also, since it happens in kde only I have a feeling the cause is kde related since it never happens in gnome	03:24
walzmyn	avihay, I use 'em both	03:24
DaskreeCH	avihay: No	03:25
DaskreeCH	No browser gives the plugin (By which I assume you mean Extensions) diversity of FF but Opera does have a LOT going for it	03:26
DaskreeCH	avihay: You can run it from a live CD	03:27
DaskreeCH	you just have to mount the drive first	03:28
avihay	I have a DSL on a virtual machine, so I can have a looksee. maybe I will.	03:29
avihay	any decent tab grouping?	03:29
DaskreeCH	Depends on which WM you are using	03:32
DaskreeCH	ratpoison and openbox are good	03:32
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fritzisonline	ok. i've tried cat /etc/fstab \|grep /home... and i didn' get ANY LINE.	03:33
fritzisonline	and yes, my username isin hoe folder	03:33
fritzisonline	username is in home folder	03:34
avihay	used to use kvm, untill the lack of features made me look in other places, only after that did I realize that pretty much "everyone" nowadays knows how to work the hardware virtualization	03:34
DaskreeCH	fritzisonline: that's strange	03:36
fritzisonline	little bit more explenation... i can notice that main partition has 760 MB (%5) free space by Midnight Commander. but ican't login. and when i start live cd my main partiono (boot) looks out of space	03:36
DaskreeCH	try grep <yourusername> /etc/fstab	03:36
avihay	fritzisonline: if that is the case then the problem is not what I think it is	03:36
avihay	all I can suggest that you install on the live-cd, one of a few programs that will help you find where you are looseing all thatspace, something like treesize	03:37
DaskreeCH	fritzisonline: try apt-get clean	03:38
avihay	there's graphical disk map and there is KDirStat	03:38
DaskreeCH	df -h should tell you how much space you ahve	03:38
fritzisonline	can i install kdirstat on live cd and use it by?	03:39
avihay	you should be able to, yes	03:39
fritzisonline	whoof! great	03:39
DaskreeCH	fritzisonline: You can install whatever you want on a live cd	03:39
avihay	it installs on the temporary ramdrive that the livecd creates, sho as long as you don't reboot, or run out of ram, you caninstall	03:40
avihay	k, the sun is nearly up, definetly time to go to sleep	03:41
avihay	:->	03:41
fritzisonline	thanks... trying.. as quick as i can	03:41
fritzisonline	where are you from avihay	03:41
avihay	Israel	03:41
fritzisonline	oh stay awake ! :)	03:42
fritzisonline	i need ubuntu motu repository line	03:45
fritzisonline	would paste in here plz	03:45
avihay	deb http://il.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty multiverse replace the il withyour own code	03:47
DaskreeCH	night avihay	03:49
DaskreeCH	fritzisonline: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and then find the first line that starts with deb and ends with universe and remove the # at the start of the line	03:50
avihay	forgot bout that....	03:50
DaskreeCH	do the same for the line in thenext block that ends with multivers	03:50
Mac42DO	Hi, when I start an application from my home-folder (like /home/user/bin/firefox/firefox) the startup-notification icon ist jumping a verry long time.	03:50
DaskreeCH	+e	03:50
DaskreeCH	then ctrl+X to close and type sudo apt-get update	03:51
DaskreeCH	Mac42DO: Might be looking for libraries	03:51
DaskreeCH	Why do you have firefox installed in your home directory ?	03:51
Mac42DO	Daskree: Because kubuntu does not provide me with the latest firefox	03:52
avihay	and does it actually run in the end?	03:52
Mac42DO	avihay: yes	03:52
Mac42DO	When I start it from the terminal, there ist no problem	03:53
DaskreeCH	Mac42DO: It doesn't?	03:53
DaskreeCH	Hmm	03:53
DaskreeCH	!info firefox-3.5	03:53
ubottu	firefox-3.5 (source: firefox-3.5): safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.1 (jaunty), package size 907 kB, installed size 3524 kB	03:53
DaskreeCH	Weird. I could swear it did	03:54
Mac42DO	Yes, but it is the beta	03:54
avihay	there is usualy a day's delay, isn't there?	03:54
Mac42DO	It doesn't even have the right icon	03:55
Mac42DO	Just a world without fox	03:55
bryan	Does anyone know how to fix the messed up java sound problem?	03:55
Mac42DO	And it has some japanese name	03:55
avihay	humm	03:56
avihay	can you paste the name?	03:57
avihay	just wondering	03:57
Mac42DO	ok, I have to Install it again, just a moment	03:57
DaskreeCH	!info shiretoko	03:57
ubottu	Package shiretoko does not exist in jaunty	03:57
avihay	!info firedox-3.5	03:59
ubottu	Package firedox-3.5 does not exist in jaunty	03:59
avihay	!info firefox-3.5	03:59
ubottu	firefox-3.5 (source: firefox-3.5): safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.1 (jaunty), package size 907 kB, installed size 3524 kB	03:59
Mac42DO	Shiretoko	04:01
fritzisonline	ok.. kdirstat scaning the disc now.. i noticed a file, named "adept_manager.kcrush" at root with 97%	04:01
Mac42DO	And no firefox icon	04:02
avihay	:->	04:02
fritzisonline	what?	04:02
Mac42DO	just a world without the fox	04:02
avihay	the file is takeing 97% of your hdd?	04:02
fritzisonline	no	04:03
fritzisonline	it's 4.3 kb	04:03
fritzisonline	i don know what the percantage refers	04:03
fritzisonline	home dir is 68%	04:03
fritzisonline	and the second biggest folder is usr with 20 %	04:04
fritzisonline	but the file adept_mag.kcrash is 97%	04:04
leaf-sheep	Mac42DO: Shiretoko is an awesome name and it contains a heart of the fox too.	04:04
avihay	Mac, thry are giveing you the ability to install bouth versions of FF side by side untill FF3.5 becomes more mainstream	04:04
Mac42DO	leaf-sheep: that means?	04:05
leaf-sheep	!ff35 \| Mac42DO	04:05
ubottu	Mac42DO: Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 \| FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko on your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for an explanation \| Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY	04:05
dennister	hey guys, unusual situation, i install kubuntu on user's machine, (p4, integrated graphics) didn't have to change xorg.conf at all to watch dvds, user takes box home, and can't get xserver to load...just grey screen with x in middle...only things changed were monitor, keyboard and mouse...she can't even get livecd to load fully...any ideas what happened?	04:05
dennister	clue was that there xorg.conf did get re-written, but she wouldn't have done that or caused it to happen	04:05
leaf-sheep	Mac42DO: Sure it does not looks like one but it's a Firefox in disguise.	04:05
Mac42DO	I don't like it.	04:05
Mac42DO	I want Firefox and its logo.	04:06
leaf-sheep	Mac42DO: It will be implemented in Karmic. Firefox and its logo is not a security matter. It's cosmetic you're crying wolf on.	04:06
Mac42DO	leaf-sheep: Yes, it is cosmetic. But I want it :-)	04:07
Mac42DO	I want the name, and I want the icon :-P	04:07
leaf-sheep	They need to change Firefox UI. Branding. You're already using FF-3.5.1 when you install firefox-3.5	04:08
bazhang	Mac42DO, right click icon select properties, then click the icon and scroll down for the FF logo	04:08
avihay	fritzisonline: I don't know if that's wrong or that's how kdirstat shows it's data	04:08
leaf-sheep	Mac42DO: Take it up in #ubuntu-mozillateam	04:09
Mac42DO	bazhang, thanx :-)	04:09
fritzisonline	ok i understand it .. but..	04:09
fritzisonline	how can i grant the permissions of my boot disc folders, when i 'm on live-cd session?	04:09
dennister	anyone know the conditions under which livecd just will not load completely?	04:09
fritzisonline	so i can keep deleteing files	04:09
bazhang	Mac42DO, it is still FF with that logo or not though (3.5.1)	04:09
dennister	on a p4 machine with 512 mb ram	04:09
avihay	fritzisonline: I'm just being lazy and five my file manager root privleges	04:10
Mac42DO	bazhang: yes, I understood that. But I like original-looking :-)	04:10
fritzisonline	alright	04:10
avihay	!info firefox-3.1	04:11
ubottu	firefox-3.1 (source: firefox-3.5): dummy upgrade package for firefox-3.1 -> firefox-3.5. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.1 (jaunty), package size 68 kB, installed size 124 kB	04:11
avihay	Mac42DO: I think that if you install that one, it will upgrade your exsisting FF to 3.5 insted of the seperate version, but I don't know for sure	04:12
avihay	and there is also !info firefox-3.5-branding	04:12
avihay	!info firefox-3.5-branding	04:13
ubottu	firefox-3.5-branding (source: firefox-3.5): Package that ships the firefox branding. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.1 (jaunty), package size 152 kB, installed size 284 kB	04:13
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brianWebb	is their going to be another versiion that will fix all the bugs in kubuntu	04:14
bazhang	brianWebb, version of what	04:14
brianWebb	kubuntu	04:15
bazhang	All?	04:15
fritzisonline	ok lastly... can i reinstall kubuntu on to my current system?	04:15
gDD	hey is anyone find out that the default GTK theme in Kubuntu 9.04 very nice.	04:15
avihay	did you meen a large ammount of update packages?	04:15
brianWebb	so you guys dont think kubuntu is really buggy	04:16
* avihay raises his hand		04:16
bazhang	brianWebb, better to specify, that is pretty vague	04:16
avihay	I do	04:16
Mac42DO	ok, thanx folks, bye :-)	04:16
gDD	so i want to make that theme run in my ArchLinux's GTK	04:17
brianWebb	ok wifi is hit or miss	04:17
gDD	but not successfull	04:17
bazhang	brianWebb, please clarify; which version of kde4, using the networkmanager or the plasmoid	04:18
bazhang	brianWebb, which wifi chipset etc	04:18
fritzisonline	can i delete var/cache/apt/archives/* by hand ?	04:18
brianWebb	bazhang: broadcom	04:18
bazhang	fritzisonline, no need	04:18
bazhang	apt-get clean should do that	04:19
david_	Hello everyone, I need help for something easy.......I have an additional hard drive that I want to have it mounted automatically and access it from a folder in the home directory.....can someone help me?	04:19
fritzisonline	ok. can i delete old linux restricted modules by hand ?	04:19
bazhang	brianWebb, and the rest of the info I asked above ^^	04:19
bazhang	fritzisonline, why? much better to use the package manager	04:20
fritzisonline	but there are 5 old modules listing	04:20
brianWebb	i cant remember it was a while ago i just reemember that it would crash freeze wifi wouldnt work, but im sure updates have been out sense i used it.	04:21
fritzisonline	and i'm very good user, i always use adept manager not the konsole	04:21
fritzisonline	wel anyway.	04:21
bazhang	brianWebb, which version of kde4? the recent RC2? networkmanager or the plasmoid? there are workarounds to issues if you specify the problem	04:22
bazhang	fritzisonline, console is the package manager if you use apt-get	04:22
fritzisonline	ok	04:23
brianWebb	im downloading kubuntu again and im going to see if it works better with my computer	04:23
bazhang	fritzisonline, you need to know the name of the package though sudo apt-get remove <packagename>	04:23
brianWebb	do you guys think kubuntu is thhe best kde distro	04:23
bazhang	brianWebb, you on Ubuntu now?	04:23
brianWebb	ya	04:23
fritzisonline	yes kubuntu rocks	04:23
bazhang	just install the kubuntu-deskstop package then and you have it, unless you want purekde	04:24
brianWebb	do you think you guys can help me partition my hd so i can dual boot	04:24
bazhang	brianWebb, then you can do the instructions in the /msg ubottu purekde	04:24
brianWebb	bazhang: where do i find /msg ubottu purekde	04:25
bazhang	brianWebb, you type it where you are typing now	04:25
bazhang	always very useful to have a PM open with the bot	04:26
brianWebb	i dont wwant to del gnome packages though , thats why i want to dual boot or somthing like it	04:27
bazhang	brianWebb, dual boot with Windows?	04:27
bazhang	brianWebb, if you mean using gnome apps with kde then it is no problem, no need for dual boot	04:28
brianWebb	kubuntu and ubuntu, when i just installed kubuntu ontop of ubuntu the apps merged and it got cluittered	04:28
bazhang	or the reverse brianWebb	04:28
bazhang	ie k3b with Ubuntu , etc	04:29
bazhang	brianWebb, if you are short of disk space you can remove the packages you don't want, or simply use alacarte to clean up the menus	04:30
bazhang	ie they are still there, but dont show up in the menus anymore	04:30
dennister	anyone know the conditions under which livecd just will not load completely? p4 512 ram	04:31
fritzisonline	what kind of bug could be to declare the disc is full when it's not actually. sh*t.	04:31
bazhang	fritzisonline, no cursing please	04:31
brianWebb	do its the same as installed the kubuntu distro and just installing the kde4 package in synaptic	04:31
dennister	could a monitor change just automatically rewrite the xorg.conf file?	04:31
bazhang	dennister, checked the md5 of the iso? burned at low speed and did the disk integrity check?	04:32
brianWebb	sorry if i download the kde4 package in synaptic then just pick what one to use in session window	04:32
bazhang	dennister, alternately you can try some !bootoptions , or use the alternate cd	04:32
dennister	bazhang: yes, i did before I gave it to her with her machine, all worked fine here, i didn't touch/edit xorg.conf at all, she took box home, plugged in her mntior and now no x will load, and she can't even get livecd to finish loading	04:33
bazhang	brianWebb, yes, and you can remove packages you dont want, or clean menus using alacarte (kubuntu-desktop is the package name for Jaunty 9.04)	04:33
DaskreeCH	brianWebb: there will be new versions of Kubuntu they will fix old bugs and start new bugs. That's how software works :)	04:33
bazhang	dennister, different video card/monitor?	04:33
dennister	i don't have machine anymore, but she'll be calling tomorrow night, and i've never heard of this before	04:34
dennister	bazhang: same integrated graphics as what worked here, only different monitor, keyboard, mouse	04:34
DaskreeCH	brianWebb: Don't know if it's the best but if you want other distros there are certainly others give them a try and see which one works for you	04:34
bazhang	dennister, could be her monitor is asking for too high a res from the video card	04:34
fritzisonline	ok guys thank you very much, it was a proper helping .. now i 'm stepping back for a time...... and i'll handle it later, one day it's gonna be solved :) never leave strugglin.	04:34
fritzisonline	ciao	04:35
DaskreeCH	bazhang: ah you can filter the menus in KDE I think	04:35
dennister	bazhang: yes, so how do we fix that? recovery mode's 'fix xserver did nothing	04:35
bazhang	dennister, if she gets a message such as 'out of range' that would be an indicator	04:35
DaskreeCH	dennister: Maybe power issues? where does it stop working ?	04:35
dennister	no messages...just grey/blackish screen with 'x' in middle	04:35
bazhang	DaskreeCH, kde4 equivalent to alacarte? or is that the only one	04:35
DaskreeCH	bazhang: Yeah	04:35
DaskreeCH	kmenuedit	04:35
bazhang	cheers :)	04:36
brianWebb	so kde4 rc2 is the most recent one?	04:36
bazhang	not sure if that is a PPA or backports	04:36
dennister	DaskreeCH: does the x she see in the middle of the screen mean x is actually working?	04:36
DaskreeCH	dennister: So X is starting then She's not getting kdm	04:37
DaskreeCH	dennister: yes. She can try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg which should fix that	04:37
ubuntukl	were do I go to find startup errors?	04:37
dennister	DaskreeCH: when she left here there was only one xorg.conf, when she got home and turned machine on, calling me for tech support, there was an xorg.conf.xxxxxxxx, too, so somehow it had been rewritten	04:38
DaskreeCH	ubuntukl: type dmesg	04:38
bazhang	ubuntukl, remove the splash screen?	04:38
DaskreeCH	dennister: Ugh. Did you switch back to the old xorg ?	04:39
dennister	DaskreeCH: we tried, didn't help	04:39
dennister	in recovery mode, we also tried 'fix xserver' but that didn't help either, and isn't 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" the same thing as 'fix xserver' from recovery menu?	04:40
dennister	and livecd wouldn't completely load....	04:40
COm_BOY	how to change screen resolution in.. Kubuntu 8.04	04:41
ubuntukl	DaskreeCH: on live cd right now trying to figure out y I cant log in keep getting some i915 driver error at startup	04:41
brianWebb	im having a hard time finding kde4 in synaptic	04:41
bazhang	brianWebb, its called kubuntu-desktop	04:41
brianWebb	o	04:41
DaskreeCH	dennister: I think it might be I don't know	04:42
DaskreeCH	ubuntukl: Ah that's different you'd have to mount your hard drive	04:42
ubuntukl	DaskreeCH: can i acces those error mesages from live cd?	04:42
dennister	under what conditions will livecd not load on a fairly modern desktop?	04:42
DaskreeCH	ubuntukl: Yes it's under /var/log/dmesg	04:43
dennister	sorry, starts to load, but doesn't finish with panel on top and kicker on bottom?	04:43
brianWebb	kubuntu-desktop version 1.122 is that the new one	04:43
DaskreeCH	dennister: Funky Cd ?	04:43
ubuntukl	DaskreeCH: YEAH I MOUNTED IT ALLREADY BUT NOT SURE WERE TO LOOK FOR ERR MESSAGES	04:43
bazhang	brianWebb, the very newest RC2?	04:43
bazhang	ubuntukl, no caps please	04:44
DaskreeCH	ubuntukl: I just said where	04:44
DaskreeCH	Think that was an obvious mistake	04:44
bazhang	DaskreeCH, is the RC2 on a PPA or backports, would you know?	04:44
ubuntukl	DaskreeCH: sry dont kikll me I am legally blind geez!	04:44
DaskreeCH	bazhang: both	04:45
DaskreeCH	For some unknown reason	04:45
bazhang	DaskreeCH, thanks	04:45
brianWebb	bazhang: it doesnt say rc2 insynaptic it just say kubuntu desktop version 1.122	04:46
bazhang	brianWebb, right, but that is the package version, not the version of kde4	04:46
brianWebb	ok sorry	04:46
bazhang	brianWebb, once you install that you will need to enable backports and install the RC2 from there	04:47
bazhang	brianWebb, keeping in mind that it is still pretty new, so some bugs will definitely exist :)	04:47
brianWebb	i think i knpow but how to enable backports	04:50
bazhang	brianWebb, you have them enabled, then be sure to update your sources.list	04:51
bazhang	either via synaptic/adept et al, or sudo apt-get update	04:51
brianWebb	bazhang: after i am running kde	04:52
bazhang	brianWebb, certainly, you can do it then	04:53
dennister	DaskreeCH: sorry, had to go 'way for a bit...no, i don't think it's a funky cd...it not loading fully (but starts ok) seems more analagous to user getting x in middle of her screen, but nothing else...and the only new item is her monitor	04:53
brianWebb	cool, but i would prefer if the kde and gnome apps didnt merge	04:54
dennister	when i installed the kubuntu here, i didn't have her monitor, but a plug-and-play fairly good one	04:54
brianWebb	ok im gboing to log out then change the session ill be back	04:55
dennister	DaskreeCH: heck, user didn't have the opportunity to screw up new install since leaving here with box :-)	04:56
DaskreeCH	dennister: well yeah did you try the safe graphics mode ?	04:58
dennister	DaskreeCH: yes, and it wouldn't fully load with panel on top and kicker on bottom	04:59
dennister	(gnome livecd)	04:59
DaskreeCH	dennister: ah right was trying to figure the panel at top thing	04:59
DaskreeCH	well that means no Gnome since it enforces having at least one panel in code	04:59
dennister	lots of time just copying xorg.conf from livecd onto mounted hard drive fixes things, but if livecd doesn't fully work...	04:59
DaskreeCH	dennister: Yeah I guess there needs to be a little reconfiguring there	05:01
dennister	it is VERY rare when livecd doesn't fully load on p4 machine with 512 ram...and it's that fact that's really confusing me here	05:01
dennister	and the only thing being different is the monitor...	05:02
dennister	i've never seen this kind of problem before :(	05:02
dennister	except once, when it was a blind user who had a verbal screen-reader/scanner hooked up and acting like a monitor	05:03
Neroon	Hi. Could anybody maybe tell me where to deactivate the hotkey for mouse navigation in kde?	05:04
DaskreeCH	shortcuts?	05:05
ubuntukl	how do I get linux to see my grpx card at startup istead of automaticaly goinb to onboard?	05:05
DaskreeCH	ubuntukl: If it's installed just change the driver in xorg.conf ]	05:07
Neroon	Noone got a clue?	05:08
ubuntukl	DaskreeCH: it is installed and using recomended driver but when I switch the monitor cable over it freezes	05:10
ubuntukl	DaskreeCH: only way I can log in is to go into bios switch to onboard and then im ok but when i try to use grpx cars it freezes	05:12
Ulric	why do you switch the cable?	05:12
ubuntukl	Ulric: couse whole system freezes if I dont use onboard	05:13
Ulric	i take it you've had the GPU working before yeah?	05:16
ubuntukl	Ulric: yup it has something to do with linux recognizing my onboardgraphics first or something	05:17
Ulric	how old is your M/B?	05:20
Ulric	quick question to anyone. Does anyone still have onboard graphics??	05:33
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zountou05	hi every one	05:47
zountou05	i have a prob	05:47
zountou05	is here some one how can help me	05:48
DaskreeCH	Ulric: Yes most people in the world	06:07
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RktMan_	kde4 roolz	06:30
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=== Vincent is now known as Vi_Vi
Vi_Vi	umm, hello?	06:54
Vi_Vi	Who's all alive in here?	06:55
DaskreeCH	I am	06:56
Vi_Vi	Oookay	06:56
Vi_Vi	1 soul X)	06:56
Vi_Vi	basically i just got Linux going	06:56
DaskreeCH	ok good for you	06:56
Vi_Vi	And i'm so lost i may as well be blind and trying to use a computer	06:56
DaskreeCH	Funny you should mention that I'm setting up a computer for a blind person	06:57
Vi_Vi	i call bull	06:57
DaskreeCH	But if you need help here would be the place to ask questions	06:57
Vi_Vi	Oh man i hope so	06:57
DaskreeCH	Vi_Vi: You can name your bull whatever you like :)	06:57
Vi_Vi	i cant even get basics down	06:57
Vi_Vi	...	06:57
Vi_Vi	(facepalm)	06:58
Vi_Vi	I deserved that	06:58
Vi_Vi	lol anyway.. we're talking almost a total newbie	06:58
DaskreeCH	Well again if you want to ask questions GO ahead	06:58
Vi_Vi	IM GETTING THERE	06:58
Vi_Vi	stop pressuring me >_<	06:58
DaskreeCH	lol	06:59
Vi_Vi	Jokes. ANyway my Vista OS is enjoying big piles of shiet so	06:59
Vi_Vi	I did a secure erase and said damn the whole thing	06:59
Vi_Vi	Trust me it was chaos for no reason, go figure Vita Ult x64	06:59
Vi_Vi	Anyway	06:59
Vi_Vi	I guess the first thing i need to learn is	06:59
Vi_Vi	Well, how do i install things. I floundered with a few things and got them working but	06:59
Vi_Vi	Im at a total loss otherwise. no firefox, no flash, no nvidia driver	07:00
Vi_Vi	I have the uhhh packages i guess	07:00
Vi_Vi	Hold on lemme get dolphin up	07:00
DaskreeCH	!install	07:00
ubottu	Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate	07:00
DaskreeCH	Try the first link	07:00
Vi_Vi	Well i followed the guide here http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/softinstall.html	07:00
DaskreeCH	Which I should probably read myself :)	07:00
Vi_Vi	maaaaybe >_>	07:01
Vi_Vi	Well i dunno, i have the tar.gz and tar.bz2 packages for stuff	07:01
Vi_Vi	But as i went along the steps nothing seemed to work	07:01
DaskreeCH	Vi_Vi: For which programs ?	07:01
Vi_Vi	Kk ill be specific	07:01
Vi_Vi	lets say...	07:01
Vi_Vi	Flash. hold on	07:01
DaskreeCH	right	07:02
DaskreeCH	and firefox ?	07:02
Vi_Vi	Yes	07:02
Vi_Vi	Tell ya what	07:02
Vi_Vi	Lets start with FF first	07:02
Vi_Vi	so i can do flash from there	07:02
Vi_Vi	Anyway this is the package name firefox-3.5.1.tar.bz2	07:02
bazhang	Vi_Vi, no need for that	07:03
Vi_Vi	no?	07:03
bazhang	!ff35 \| Vi_Vi	07:03
Vi_Vi	umm alrite	07:03
ubottu	Vi_Vi: Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 \| FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko on your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for an explanation \| Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY	07:03
DaskreeCH	Vi_Vi: on your kmenu	07:03
DaskreeCH	You should have a entry named kpackagekit	07:03
Vi_Vi	Yeah ive seen it	07:03
DaskreeCH	open it	07:03
Vi_Vi	finding it in applications	07:03
Vi_Vi	im in	07:03
DaskreeCH	ok click on umm the third thing in the sidebar	07:04
DaskreeCH	Hold on :)	07:04
DaskreeCH	settings	07:04
Vi_Vi	settings	07:04
Vi_Vi	:P	07:04
DaskreeCH	Edit software sources	07:04
Vi_Vi	kk im in	07:05
DaskreeCH	Check universe and multivers	07:05
Vi_Vi	umm.. uncheck?	07:06
DaskreeCH	Oh Hmm ok good :)	07:06
Vi_Vi	yeah all 5 of the little boxes are checked off	07:06
DaskreeCH	ok close that back out and go to updates	07:06
DaskreeCH	Software updates	07:06
Vi_Vi	Yep	07:06
Vi_Vi	4 blocked updates	07:06
DaskreeCH	Click refresh	07:06
Vi_Vi	ookay	07:07
Vi_Vi	this part is weird	07:07
Vi_Vi	I only ever see the 4 blcked updates	07:07
DaskreeCH	then click software management	07:07
Vi_Vi	But the little cog thing on the bototm right says 8	07:07
Vi_Vi	Im in.	07:07
DaskreeCH	in the search box type firefox	07:07
Vi_Vi	oh wow	07:07
Vi_Vi	a bunch of results	07:07
DaskreeCH	click the little + beside firefox 3.5 branding	07:08
Vi_Vi	kk	07:08
DaskreeCH	Might as well click firefox 3.5 as well	07:08
Vi_Vi	all righty	07:08
DaskreeCH	Can't recall if they are tired together :)	07:08
Vi_Vi	3.5.1 and branding checked	07:09
DaskreeCH	Ok clear the search box and type flash	07:09
Vi_Vi	i see 2 already highlighted	07:09
DaskreeCH	You want flashplugin-nonfree	07:09
Vi_Vi	Yep its already hilighted	07:09
Vi_Vi	that and Installer	07:09
DaskreeCH	Ok Lets see	07:09
Vi_Vi	amd64..?	07:10
DaskreeCH	clear the search and type kubuntu-restricted	07:10
Vi_Vi	k	07:10
DaskreeCH	Well if you installed the 64 bit Kubuntu then yes	07:10
Vi_Vi	1 result	07:10
Vi_Vi	I'm pretty sure this is 32-bit..	07:10
Vi_Vi	how would i double-check	07:10
DaskreeCH	Umm I guess ..	07:11
DaskreeCH	hold on :)	07:11
Vi_Vi	np ^^	07:11
divobtech	Hello	07:12
DaskreeCH	I don't know a good gui way I know how to do it on the console	07:12
Vi_Vi	i can get there	07:12
DaskreeCH	Ok open that and type uname -a	07:12
divobtech	someone use antivir on ubuntu?	07:12
Vi_Vi	x86	07:12
Vi_Vi	yep! 32	07:12
DaskreeCH	ok good then no AMD64 :)	07:13
divobtech	^vi^:	07:13
DaskreeCH	divobtech: Somebody? yes	07:13
DaskreeCH	Vi_Vi: is kubuntu-restricted installed?	07:13
divobtech	^das^: why there is no graphique interface	07:14
Vi_Vi	no its grayed out	07:14
divobtech	?	07:14
DaskreeCH	hmm ok	07:14
DaskreeCH	Vi_Vi: install libxine1-ffmpeg	07:14
Vi_Vi	searched for it like u said	07:14
Vi_Vi	comes up gray	07:14
Vi_Vi	k	07:14
Vi_Vi	wait	07:14
DaskreeCH	divobtech: Cause No one needs it?	07:14
Vi_Vi	is that a konsole cmd	07:14
DaskreeCH	!av \| divobtech	07:14
ubottu	divobtech: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21	07:14
DaskreeCH	Vi_Vi: No in Kpackagekit	07:15
Vi_Vi	oh um..	07:15
divobtech	ok thanks	07:15
Vi_Vi	id have to search for that 1st yeah?	07:15
DaskreeCH	search for libxine1-ff	07:15
DaskreeCH	Yeah	07:15
Vi_Vi	i did aaand	07:15
Vi_Vi	its highlighted	07:15
DaskreeCH	Ok then you should be fine what else were you installing ?	07:16
Vi_Vi	adobe flash player 10, firefox, an nvidia driver update	07:16
Vi_Vi	to start	07:16
Vi_Vi	I tried reading guides to do the whole thing thru console but.. no go	07:16
DaskreeCH	ok hit apply and all that should be installed	07:16
Vi_Vi	kk	07:16
Vi_Vi	oh thats handy	07:16
Vi_Vi	The 2 firefox packages are being downloaded	07:17
DaskreeCH	Vi_Vi: When that's done then you can go to the kmenu -> applications -> system -> hardware drivers	07:17
DaskreeCH	It will have the nvidia drivers	07:18
Vi_Vi	Oh wow thats convenient.	07:18
DaskreeCH	welcome to Linux	07:18
Vi_Vi	I was trying to do everything from the source and having a hard time with it	07:18
Vi_Vi	maybe once u understand it ^_-	07:18
DaskreeCH	really convenient and really annoying	07:18
DaskreeCH	:-D	07:18
Vi_Vi	Linux seems like it requires a Ph.D just to get going x_X Certaintly not a noob's OS	07:18
DaskreeCH	Neither is Windows	07:18
DaskreeCH	Trust me I've taught both	07:19
supergear_	use a BSD	07:19
DaskreeCH	Windows is easier to throw someone in but they won't swim unless determined	07:19
DaskreeCH	after like a month on LInux you have a pretty good feeling of mastery over the computer	07:19
Vi_Vi	Ive had it too long to remember being new to it	07:19
DaskreeCH	That would be the problem	07:20
DaskreeCH	but ask questions where you need to and we can help	07:20
supergear_	I don't thik you become a master of linux using *buntu	07:20
DaskreeCH	!info bsdgames \| supergear_ In the Game man!	07:20
ubottu	supergear_: bsdgames (source: bsdgames): a collection of classic textual unix games. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.17-16 (jaunty), package size 948 kB, installed size 2488 kB	07:20
DaskreeCH	supergear_: I never said that I said you feel a mastery over the computer :)	07:21
DaskreeCH	mastering Linux is a fools quest	07:21
supergear_	didn't say go play bsdgames :P	07:21
Vi_Vi	Its a quest i gotta take	07:21
Vi_Vi	I'll be back restarting!	07:21
supergear_	do a Linux From Scratch	07:21
Vi_Vi	never	07:21
DaskreeCH	Vi_Vi: restarting?	07:21
DaskreeCH	Oh nvidia drivers	07:21
DaskreeCH	Stupid Ubuntu	07:22
DaskreeCH	Ulric: Yes most people in the world	07:23
Ulric	YES!!! I got my Creative X-Fi working	07:23
DaskreeCH	Whoot!	07:24
DaskreeCH	That's a good job	07:24
Ulric	I know. last time I tried openSUSE and I couldn't get it going.	07:24
Ulric	What was the " Yes most people..." thing about?	07:25
DaskreeCH	The last question you asked	07:25
DaskreeCH	or the answer to it	07:25
Ulric	That was about onboard graphics hey	07:27
kayess	How do change the maximum desktop extents under Jaunty? This used to be xorg.conf, but I guess there's nothing in there now	07:28
fiendskull9	Can someone help me setup dcop so i can use an irssi now playing script with amarok? I can't seem to get it working.	07:30
DaskreeCH	kayess: If you put it in xorg.conf then X will follow it	07:33
DaskreeCH	fiendskull9: KDE3 ?	07:33
fiendskull9	DaskreeCH: KDE4	07:34
DaskreeCH	dcop doesnt work in KDE4	07:34
fiendskull9	damnit	07:34
DaskreeCH	you want dbus	07:35
fiendskull9	hmmm, all the irssi scripts are written for dcop though	07:35
fiendskull9	does amarok communicate with dbus to your knowledge? Because i could hack together a perl script with what little knowledge i still retain	07:36
DaskreeCH	Well then you want to find out how to port them to DBus	07:37
DaskreeCH	Yes it does	07:38
DaskreeCH	You can pop into #amarok and if anyone is awake now (doubtful) they will help	07:38
tsimpson	(tip) use qdbus to like dcop, it'll let you view/call the methods from amarok (and other apps)	07:40
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tsimpson	s/to //	07:40
Vi_Vi	badow!	07:40
Vi_Vi	Wheres that Linux Sage at	07:40
fiendskull9	thank you DaskreeCH and tsimpson	07:40
Vi_Vi	Thats him Dask	07:41
fiendskull9	Im a member of a music community and we all like to spam what we're playing	07:41
* DaskreeCH picks up an axe		07:41
DaskreeCH	Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam!	07:42
fiendskull9	:O	07:42
Vi_Vi	SPAM SPAM!	07:42
ridzaq	?	07:42
Vi_Vi	oookay	07:43
Vi_Vi	Flash stuff still limited on my browser	07:43
Vi_Vi	This is where i need to get adobe flash player 10 workin	07:44
DaskreeCH	ah well then hit up Adobe's site	07:44
Vi_Vi	Das what i did my good sir	07:45
Vi_Vi	This is where i need to learn how to install from source	07:45
Vi_Vi	One second!	07:45
DaskreeCH	Well not source	07:45
DaskreeCH	there is no source for flash	07:45
DaskreeCH	Which would be the problem :)	07:45
Vi_Vi	erm	07:45
Vi_Vi	then what did i download just now	07:46
Vi_Vi	went to Get Flash Player	07:46
Vi_Vi	chose the .tar.gz package	07:46
Vi_Vi	and downloaded	07:46
DaskreeCH	ok	07:46
DaskreeCH	You want to use that one or do you want to get the Deb ?	07:47
Vi_Vi	o.o"	07:47
Vi_Vi	What :)	07:47
tsimpson	the .deb downloads the same .tar.gz	07:47
Vi_Vi	why are they in 2 formats	07:48
DaskreeCH	Vi_Vi: The deb is a more automatic way of installing	07:48
Vi_Vi	if theyre the same?	07:48
Vi_Vi	I like automatic :D	07:48
Vi_Vi	on their site tho	07:48
DaskreeCH	Well grab the deb then	07:48
Vi_Vi	says for ubuntu 8.04+ tho	07:48
Vi_Vi	I is Kubuntu 9.04. same deal?	07:49
DaskreeCH	yeah	07:49
Vi_Vi	mmmmkay	07:49
Vi_Vi	okay	07:50
Vi_Vi	deb is got	07:50
DaskreeCH	ok open konsole and cd to where you downloaded it	07:50
Vi_Vi	thats where i get confused	07:50
Vi_Vi	lemme get konsole up	07:50
Vi_Vi	kk now what does it mean	07:51
Vi_Vi	to "cd to" somewhere	07:51
Vi_Vi	point it to the file's directory?	07:51
DaskreeCH	where did you Download them to?	07:51
Vi_Vi	well firefox doesnt drop them where Konqueror would but	07:51
Vi_Vi	I placed it where they always go one sec IMs	07:51
Vi_Vi	well for flash player	07:52
Vi_Vi	the directory is /home/stephen/Documents	07:52
DaskreeCH	ok then type cd Documents	07:52
DaskreeCH	capital D is important	07:53
DaskreeCH	cd means change directory	07:53
Vi_Vi	Kk	07:53
Vi_Vi	i got the $ in front of it now	07:53
DaskreeCH	type ls	07:53
DaskreeCH	you should see a list of files	07:53
Vi_Vi	why didnt this work before...	07:53
Vi_Vi	yes	07:54
DaskreeCH	Is the deb there ?	07:54
Vi_Vi	winrarlinx and flash plaer linux are shown	07:54
Vi_Vi	yup	07:54
DaskreeCH	ok sudo dpkg -i flashplayer_10etc.deb	07:54
DaskreeCH	If you press tab it will autocomplete the name for ou	07:54
DaskreeCH	you	07:54
Vi_Vi	is sudo dpkg -i going to be a universal thing for any pakcage i might try to install?	07:55
DaskreeCH	any deb	07:55
Vi_Vi	Roge	07:55
Vi_Vi	r	07:55
Captain_Haddock	DaskreeCH: won't he just be able to navigate to it in Konqueror and install it via right click?	07:55
Vi_Vi	Dare to dream :P	07:55
Captain_Haddock	Vi_Vi: I'm saying that you can already do that :)	07:56
DaskreeCH	Captain_Haddock: yeah but he wants to master Linux might as well have two lessons at once :)	07:56
Vi_Vi	well...	07:56
Vi_Vi	master it enuf to get Steamd with Team Fortress 2 going..	07:56
Captain_Haddock	heh	07:56
Vi_Vi	Whaddya mean he	07:56
DaskreeCH	assuming he	07:56
Vi_Vi	assuming = death	07:56
Vi_Vi	Jus fuckin wichoo	07:57
Vi_Vi	BUT!	07:57
DaskreeCH	!ohmy	07:57
ubottu	Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others.	07:57
Vi_Vi	this right-click business	07:57
Vi_Vi	oh right right	07:57
Vi_Vi	Sorry	07:57
Vi_Vi	But what was the right-click thing?	07:57
Vi_Vi	changing it to executable?	07:57
Vi_Vi	uhh	07:58
Vi_Vi	this is weird	07:58
Vi_Vi	error processing install_flash_player_10_linux.db	07:58
DaskreeCH	deb	07:58
Vi_Vi	package architecture (i386) does not match system	07:58
Vi_Vi	amd64	07:58
DaskreeCH	pfft	07:58
Vi_Vi	doesnt add up im an x86 linux OS	07:59
tsimpson	try with sudo dpkg -i --force-architecture	08:00
Vi_Vi	package name goes in after the -i and before the -- correct?	08:00
DaskreeCH	no after the whole thing	08:00
Vi_Vi	Mmmkay	08:00
Vi_Vi	yeha it asked if i wanted to install	08:01
Vi_Vi	but it only ever says Error	08:01
Vi_Vi	anyway triyng to cmd now	08:01
Vi_Vi	dependancy problems	08:02
Vi_Vi	leaving unconfigured	08:02
Vi_Vi	i get a vague feeling motherboard is involved with why this wont work	08:02
Vi_Vi	i dunno i just vibe that. even if its totally inaccurate :P	08:02
tsimpson	now try "sudo apt-get -f install"	08:02
DaskreeCH	what does uname -r say ?	08:02
Vi_Vi	ends with generic	08:03
tsimpson	it'll depend on the 32bit compatibility libs probably	08:03
Vi_Vi	2.6.28-11-generic	08:03
DaskreeCH	hmm	08:04
Vi_Vi	autoinstall wont play ball either. probably cuz of this.	08:04
Vi_Vi	Feel like i could cry.	08:08
DaskreeCH	Vi_Vi: Well you have the tar.gz ?	08:08
Vi_Vi	I can get it?	08:08
DaskreeCH	I thought you downloaded it already	08:08
Vi_Vi	weeell i gotta fish it from the trash	08:09
DaskreeCH	ok do that	08:09
Vi_Vi	ach, closed konsole	08:09
DaskreeCH	You shouldn't need the konsole	08:09
DaskreeCH	Click the trash and restore the file	08:10
Vi_Vi	done	08:10
Vi_Vi	no i mean i closed it.	08:10
Vi_Vi	on accident	08:10
Vi_Vi	but anyway i have the tarball back	08:10
DaskreeCH	you called it a tarball ?	08:10
Vi_Vi	i shouldnt?	08:10
Vi_Vi	Fiiiiiiine i have the .tar.gz back	08:11
DaskreeCH	Just surprised you learned that term already	08:11
Vi_Vi	oh. alright =P	08:11
DaskreeCH	right click it and extract it here	08:11
Vi_Vi	um here?	08:11
DaskreeCH	It's a menu option	08:11
Vi_Vi	OH	08:11
Vi_Vi	gotcha	08:12
DaskreeCH	Extract here	08:12
Vi_Vi	yeah yeah	08:12
Vi_Vi	this is where i stumbled yesterday	08:12
Vi_Vi	done	08:12
DaskreeCH	Did it make a subdir ?	08:12
Vi_Vi	yup	08:13
DaskreeCH	ok click that	08:13
Vi_Vi	ima rename it flash tho	08:13
Vi_Vi	make it easier	08:13
DaskreeCH	sure	08:13
Vi_Vi	kk im in the contents of it	08:13
DaskreeCH	press F4	08:13
DaskreeCH	should pop up a little terminal at the bottom	08:13
Vi_Vi	should but	08:14
Vi_Vi	i dont see one	08:14
Vi_Vi	how bout	08:14
DaskreeCH	Do you see the word terminal at the bottom of the panel ?	08:14
Vi_Vi	if i just right-click the folder itself	08:14
Vi_Vi	and do the open terminal action on it	08:14
DaskreeCH	Hmm never tried that :)	08:15
DaskreeCH	ok	08:15
Vi_Vi	lets give that a go	08:15
Vi_Vi	cuz i dunno what panel u mean :P	08:15
Vi_Vi	Documents/flash$	08:15
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DaskreeCH	sh install<tab>	08:15
Vi_Vi	sh: can't open install	08:16
Vi_Vi	must mean the name of the installer	08:16
Vi_Vi	so i went with that aaaaaaaaaamd	08:17
DaskreeCH	Vi_Vi: Yeah pressin tab should autocomplete it for you	08:17
Vi_Vi	my architecture x86_64 is not supported	08:17
DaskreeCH	How did you install Kubuntu ?	08:17
Vi_Vi	Brother gave me a Kubuntu 9.04 disc	08:17
Vi_Vi	one he made anyway	08:17
DaskreeCH	Ah so you would have no idea if it was i386 or AMD64 disc	08:18
Vi_Vi	If i knew where he got the OS itself from to make it maybe	08:18
Vi_Vi	But no i wouldnt know otherwise	08:18
Vi_Vi	He SAYS its a 32-bit	08:18
DaskreeCH	ok and uname -r seems to back that up	08:18
Vi_Vi	what did u get from 2.6.28-11-generic ?	08:20
Vi_Vi	Wuzzat mean	08:20
DaskreeCH	what processor do you have ?	08:21
Vi_Vi	Intel Core 2 Duo	08:21
Vi_Vi	>_>	08:21
Vi_Vi	2.53 ghz.	08:22
DaskreeCH	Hmm Might flip on 64 Bit mode	08:22
Vi_Vi	i think my parts work to best go with a 64-bit deal	08:23
fiendskull9	Hey i hacked together a dbus/amarok script :D	08:23
Vi_Vi	but im just guessin	08:23
Vi_Vi	how do u hack somethin together lol	08:23
DaskreeCH	fiendskull9: That works?	08:23
Vi_Vi	u can hack stuff APART i know that	08:23
fiendskull9	DaskreeCH: Yep :), found a dbus command to show metadata for the playing file	08:23
DaskreeCH	Vi_Vi: nope in Computers you hack them together	08:23
Vi_Vi	How bizarre	08:23
DaskreeCH	Yeah	08:24
Vi_Vi	Okay so apparently im like	08:24
Vi_Vi	In limbo here	08:24
Vi_Vi	stuck between x86 and x64 =P	08:24
Vi_Vi	or some nonsense	08:24
DaskreeCH	Yeah I'm going to treat ou as if you are x64	08:24
Vi_Vi	Maybe that would work best.	08:24
Vi_Vi	I want Steam and TF2 to work properly but id settle for haivng flash player working D_D	08:24
Vi_Vi	and audio on the net would be just lovely lol	08:24
DaskreeCH	http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/install-flash-10-ubuntu-linux-64bit.html	08:26
Vi_Vi	ummm	08:27
Vi_Vi	okay	08:27
Vi_Vi	one sec	08:27
Vi_Vi	yeah i got nothin	08:28
DaskreeCH	no errors?	08:28
Vi_Vi	no i mean	08:29
Vi_Vi	nada lol	08:29
Vi_Vi	no go	08:29
Vi_Vi	copied the shell script	08:29
Vi_Vi	closed out konqueror	08:29
FloodBotK1	Vi_Vi: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.	08:29
Vi_Vi	pasted in konsole	08:29
DaskreeCH	ha ha you don't need to do that	08:29
Vi_Vi	-_-"	08:29
DaskreeCH	it's in Download ?	08:29
DaskreeCH	I mean Documents ?	08:29
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Vi_Vi	yes	08:30
DaskreeCH	ok in th console type sh then the script name	08:30
Vi_Vi	ohh	08:30
DaskreeCH	again if you press tab it will auto complete what you are typing	08:30
Vi_Vi	download off the shell script h/l	08:30
DaskreeCH	so you don't need to type in the whole name	08:31
Vi_Vi	btw	08:31
DaskreeCH	or rather type out the whole name	08:31
Vi_Vi	i dont see how tab helps	08:31
Vi_Vi	i started typing the name of the script	08:32
Vi_Vi	and hit tab	08:32
Vi_Vi	no autocomplete	08:32
DaskreeCH	hit it again	08:32
Vi_Vi	i mean i hit it like 50 times lol	08:32
Vi_Vi	woah what the	08:32
DaskreeCH	It will show you what files have the same name you can type more letters till it's unique and it will auto complete	08:32
Vi_Vi	tab only worked when i typed sh	08:33
Vi_Vi	and then immediately hit it	08:33
Vi_Vi	but that sint what u mean	08:33
DaskreeCH	no that's autocomplete of the commands you can run	08:33
Vi_Vi	Yeah.	08:33
Vi_Vi	a/c doesnt work for me when we're talkin package names	08:33
Vi_Vi	well no matter i can just copy-paste when i need to	08:33
Vi_Vi	what the	08:34
Vi_Vi	cant open flash10_en.sh	08:34
DaskreeCH	type sh<space>flash<tab>	08:34
DaskreeCH	that's the only error ?	08:34
Vi_Vi	yup	08:34
DaskreeCH	ok press up and put sudo before sh	08:34
Vi_Vi	k	08:34
Vi_Vi	asks for my sudo password	08:35
DaskreeCH	Right	08:35
Vi_Vi	it hink i rememebr this one	08:35
Vi_Vi	its not my acct pw	08:35
DaskreeCH	That's the password you used to login	08:35
Vi_Vi	oookay..	08:35
DaskreeCH	No it is	08:35
Vi_Vi	then this is odd	08:35
DaskreeCH	ok what's odd about it?	08:35
Vi_Vi	well i guess its because the directory its pointed at	08:36
Vi_Vi	is only..	08:36
Vi_Vi	~$	08:36
Vi_Vi	doesnt say documents	08:36
FloodBotK1	Vi_Vi: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.	08:36
DaskreeCH	Ah	08:36
DaskreeCH	it should I think	08:36
DaskreeCH	type pwd	08:36
Vi_Vi	Roight! must correct this	08:36
DaskreeCH	that tells you where you are	08:36
Vi_Vi	yeah im in my user	08:36
DaskreeCH	right so either cd Documents	08:36
Vi_Vi	cd Documents	08:36
DaskreeCH	or you can sudo sh Documents/flash10_en.sh	08:37
Vi_Vi	done	08:37
Vi_Vi	^^	08:37
DaskreeCH	either should work	08:37
Vi_Vi	Done = all good =P	08:37
DaskreeCH	press up and try the command again :)	08:37
Vi_Vi	great success sir	08:37
DaskreeCH	Check out your flash	08:37
Vi_Vi	hmm..	08:38
Vi_Vi	chatango is not working... which it should was I ok	08:38
DaskreeCH	That's a website ?	08:38
Vi_Vi	yeah it needs the flash player	08:39
Vi_Vi	to display friendlist and whatnot properly	08:39
Vi_Vi	to allow connection	08:39
Vi_Vi	Double-checked by going to adobe.com	08:39
Vi_Vi	too see if the movie would play	08:39
Vi_Vi	Aaaand no >_>	08:39
Vi_Vi	Not sure why this is so	08:39
DaskreeCH	which browser?	08:39
Vi_Vi	FireFox	08:40
Vi_Vi	I got the script thru Konqueror tho	08:40
Vi_Vi	does that matter	08:40
Vi_Vi	at the very least firefox is displaying a lot more than Konqueror is	08:41
DaskreeCH	no	08:41
Vi_Vi	But yeah the flash chat and the adobe movie are not working	08:41
Vi_Vi	Linking the libraries so that firefox can see them.	08:42
Vi_Vi	Done :-)	08:42
Vi_Vi	You may re-start Firefox now	08:42
Vi_Vi	seems like it worked	08:42
Vi_Vi	didnt cyberciti say i had to check the plugins somehow	08:42
DaskreeCH	you can type about:plugins in firefox	08:43
Vi_Vi	yeah	08:43
Vi_Vi	It sais Shockwave Flash and FutureSpalsh player are installed	08:43
Vi_Vi	but arent Shockwave and Flash 2 different items	08:44
DaskreeCH	youtube doesn't work?	08:44
DaskreeCH	Yeah I know	08:44
DaskreeCH	That sounds strange	08:44
Vi_Vi	aaand	08:44
Vi_Vi	youtube no longer works	08:44
Vi_Vi	Was before.	08:44
Vi_Vi	i mean videos i could see	08:44
Vi_Vi	I havent fixed the whole mute-net issue yet	08:44
DaskreeCH	grr Flash being closed source is a pain	08:45
Vi_Vi	Id have to agree lol	08:45
Vi_Vi	okay so oddly enuf i seem to have gone a step backward	08:45
Vi_Vi	this is an x86 os i dont understand	08:46
Vi_Vi	why the x86 download off the site is no-go	08:46
Vi_Vi	madness	08:46
DaskreeCH	what did you do to get it partly working before ?	08:46
Vi_Vi	I dont rememebr is tumbled thru it	08:47
Vi_Vi	although hold on	08:47
DaskreeCH	!info flashplugin-nonfree	08:47
ubottu	flashplugin-nonfree (source: flashplugin-nonfree): Adobe Flash Player plugin installer (transitional package). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10.0.22.87ubuntu2 (jaunty), package size 1 kB, installed size 40 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia)	08:47
Vi_Vi	Removing flashplugin-nonfree ...	08:47
Vi_Vi	Removing flashplugin-installer ...	08:47
Vi_Vi	yeah it did remove those 2.. before proceeding	08:47
DaskreeCH	OK on the citi site the first few comments say how to remove it You can run thsoe commands	08:49
Vi_Vi	Ima cry brother	08:49
DaskreeCH	Adobe has a 64 bit installer	08:51
Vi_Vi	does they?	08:51
Vi_Vi	I mean all i did was go get flash	08:51
Vi_Vi	and pick either deb or tar.gz	08:51
Vi_Vi	Why where is this 64-bit	08:51
DaskreeCH	Hmm	08:53
DaskreeCH	it redirects to the same page	08:53
Vi_Vi	yeah and i was reading the comments	08:53
Vi_Vi	The partial success i had on my own	08:53
Vi_Vi	THis other guy also can SEE videos	08:53
Vi_Vi	but has no audio on the web	08:53
Vi_Vi	but on my OS interface everything works	08:53
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Vi_Vi	music, notify jingles, ect	08:54
DaskreeCH	ah hmm ok	08:54
DaskreeCH	did you run the uninstall rm commands?	08:54
Vi_Vi	err no was about to ask	08:54
Vi_Vi	i dont see these cmd lines on the page	08:54
Anish123	Hi guys	08:56
Anish123	How's everyone?	08:56
Vi_Vi	(hugs Anish)	08:56
Vi_Vi	mentally taxxed	08:56
Anish123	Hehe, why?	08:56
Vi_Vi	Even with dask's sagely guidance	08:56
Vi_Vi	Cuz apparently i have a bastardized OS lol	08:56
Vi_Vi	like a hybdrid of x86 and 64	08:56
Vi_Vi	or some nonsense	08:56
Vi_Vi	Oh!	08:56
Anish123	Im totally irritated with making Jaunty bootable /sob	08:56
Vi_Vi	i see the rm commands	08:57
DaskreeCH	http://paste.ubuntu.com/220983/	08:57
Anish123	Stupid netbooks, they should have CD Drives atleast ...	08:57
DaskreeCH	Anish123: How hard is that?	08:57
Anish123	Pretty hard	08:59
Vi_Vi	at least your flash works	08:59
DaskreeCH	!usb	08:59
ubottu	For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent	08:59
Anish123	Coz I also need to get it to work on my laptop which has AMD 64 processor and turns out I have downloaded i386 version and you have to go through a hell lot of nthing just to get it to work	08:59
DaskreeCH	no it should just work	09:00
DaskreeCH	You just won't get 64 biit	09:00
Vi_Vi	nspluginswapper..	09:00
Vi_Vi	isnt that supposed to make my 32-bit flash work	09:00
Vi_Vi	even if im x64 for some reason	09:00
DaskreeCH	Vi_Vi: something like that	09:00
Vi_Vi	Apparently not lol	09:00
Vi_Vi	well i ran each command 1 by 1	09:00
Vi_Vi	and hit Y when prompted so	09:00
Vi_Vi	i guess its all clear	09:00
DaskreeCH	ok	09:01
DaskreeCH	cd into flash	09:01
Vi_Vi	the flash folder itself?	09:01
DaskreeCH	tha you had made earlier	09:01
Vi_Vi	kk	09:02
Vi_Vi	done	09:02
DaskreeCH	sudo sh flashplayer<tab>	09:02
Vi_Vi	ahh it worked	09:02
Vi_Vi	the tab =P	09:02
DaskreeCH	Yeah	09:03
Vi_Vi	sudo sh flashplayer-installer	09:03
Vi_Vi	and the response is	09:03
Vi_Vi	ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the	09:03
Vi_Vi	Adobe Flash Player installer.	09:03
Vi_Vi	soo //wrists?	09:03
FloodBotK1	Vi_Vi: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.	09:03
DaskreeCH	Hmm and it specificall says that it is :)	09:03
DaskreeCH	is there a .so file there?	09:03
Vi_Vi	yessirt	09:03
Vi_Vi	libflashplayer.so	09:04
DaskreeCH	ok type ls ~/.mozilla	09:04
Vi_Vi	kk	09:04
Vi_Vi	extensions firefox <-- in purple	09:04
apparle	hi	09:05
DaskreeCH	ok	09:05
Vi_Vi	I guess its ok =P	09:06
DaskreeCH	mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins	09:06
apparle	can I triple boot XP,Vista,kubuntu	09:06
Anish123	Yup	09:06
Vi_Vi	Probably	09:06
DaskreeCH	apparle: yes	09:06
Vi_Vi	lol	09:06
Anish123	But it'll be SLOWWWW	09:06
Vi_Vi	Okay so i pasted in mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins]	09:06
Vi_Vi	minus the end there	09:06
Anish123	Vista's a horriblee OS	09:06
Vi_Vi	yes it is...	09:07
Vi_Vi	even if sp2 up	09:07
DaskreeCH	Vi_Vi: then cp lib<tab> ~/.mozilla/plugins	09:07
apparle	I agree that vista is horrible but my bro uses it	09:07
DaskreeCH	apparle: But yes you can	09:07
Vi_Vi	mmkay	09:07
apparle	bye bye	09:07
Ulric	i got vista aswell. Sucks	09:07
Vi_Vi	nothing seems different but i did it	09:07
Vi_Vi	yeah i trashed vista ult 64	09:07
Vi_Vi	it was highly unstable	09:07
DaskreeCH	ok open firefox and see what it says	09:07
Vi_Vi	just randomly happened. then again it was pirated	09:08
Vi_Vi	Kk	09:08
Ulric	tell me about it	09:08
Vi_Vi	just open it or	09:08
Vi_Vi	go check something out..?	09:08
DaskreeCH	go check something out	09:08
Vi_Vi	k	09:08
Vi_Vi	Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player so go elf yourself	09:09
Vi_Vi	What a rude browser D_D	09:09
Vi_Vi	lame joke. anyway thats what it said	09:10
Vi_Vi	minus elf bit	09:10
Vi_Vi	still with me boss? =P	09:12
Vi_Vi	Its finally happened O_o He caught the Newb Madness and died	09:13
DaskreeCH	sudo chmod 755 ~/.mozilla/plugins/lib<tab>	09:14
Vi_Vi	its done. no change far as i can see	09:15
DaskreeCH	You'd have to close firefox and reopen	09:16
Vi_Vi	kk	09:17
Vi_Vi	Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player.	09:18
Vi_Vi	(youtube)	09:18
Vi_Vi	What was that cmd supposed to do	09:18
shadeslayer	hey i was wondering what is the command to copy a dvd to a iso...it was dd something	09:19
Vi_Vi	GUI ftw ^^	09:19
Vi_Vi	BUT WE'RE NOT WINDOWS NEWBERZ!	09:19
whattheazn	why is kunbunut	09:20
Vi_Vi	Evil? who knows	09:20
shadeslayer	Vi_Vi: much easier for me to type a single command...	09:20
dwidmann_	shadeslayer: dd if=/dev/dvd of=~/dvd.iso bs=2048	09:20
shadeslayer	whats bs for??	09:21
Vi_Vi	well probably	09:21
Vi_Vi	cuz you got your business down	09:21
dwidmann_	shadeslayer: blocksize	09:21
whattheazn	is there a diff between ubuntu and kunbtu	09:21
Vi_Vi	Dask is having the time of his life trying to help me get flash player going	09:21
Vi_Vi	on a system that is apparently both 86 and 64 XD	09:21
shadeslayer	dwidmann_: is there a option to display progress	09:21
dwidmann_	whattheazn: different Desktop Environment,	09:21
whattheazn	is kunbuntu easie to use	09:21
shadeslayer	whattheazn: yep	09:21
dwidmann_	shadeslayer: Umm, there's a way to check it manually, but nothing continuous	09:22
shadeslayer	dwidmann_: ok	09:22
whattheazn	does it have aircrack and etc	09:22
whattheazn	spoonwep2 and spoonwpa	09:22
dwidmann_	whattheazn: it uses the same repositories as Ubuntu, so anything (yes, anything) you can have in Ubuntu you can have in Kubuntu also.	09:22
whattheazn	cool i will tr it	09:23
whattheazn	what about nunbuntu	09:23
whattheazn	have u try that	09:23
Mamarok	whattheazn: please stay on topic	09:23
dwidmann_	Hmm, haven't heard about that	09:23
whattheazn	oh sorry	09:24
Vi_Vi	be nice	09:24
Vi_Vi	Dask caught Newb Madness :(	09:24
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: topic	09:24
shadeslayer	whattheazn: ubuntu?? its basically kubuntu with GNOME instead of KDE	09:24
Vi_Vi	huh?	09:25
whattheazn	what gnome	09:25
fiendskull9	what are the latest alternatives to kde (besides gnome) since xfce appears to be dead since i left off.	09:25
Captain_Haddock	whattheazn: google away	09:25
Mamarok	fiendskull9: xfce is not dead	09:25
fiendskull9	fiendskull9: judging by their website and svn not much is going on...	09:25
Mamarok	!gnome \| whattheazn	09:25
ubottu	whattheazn: GNOME is the default !desktop environment on Ubuntu. To install it from Kubuntu or Xubuntu, type « sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop » in a !terminal.	09:25
Mamarok	fiendskull9: you are talking to yourself :)	09:26
whattheazn	oh	09:26
fiendskull9	Mamarok: what?	09:26
avihay	I think xfce is rather nice for it's "market share"	09:26
Vi_Vi	Small crowd im guessing	09:26
avihay	good morning-afternoon btw	09:26
fiendskull9	I enjoyed it much as a lightweight GTK'ish enviroment.	09:27
Mamarok	please, all, stay on topic, support only here, discussion is in #kubuntu-offtopic	09:27
Vi_Vi	Likewise	09:27
Vi_Vi	Well.. whats the topic?	09:27
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: support questions and answers	09:27
fiendskull9	Does asking for a good lightweight alternative desktop enviroment to KDE count as support?	09:27
Mamarok	discussion is not on topic here at all	09:27
Vi_Vi	oh well, i'm on the ball then arent i.	09:27
Vi_Vi	I'll just hush then :P	09:27
Mamarok	fiendskull9: you know the answer already, discussing the pros and cons is not support	09:28
fiendskull9	Mamarok: No I honestly do not know an answer. I stopped using linux about 3 years ago to embark on a tour. I'm very out of the loop.	09:28
Vi_Vi	How stern D_D	09:29
Mamarok	fiendskull9: xfce is a lightweight alternative, try xubuntu	09:29
fiendskull9	And KDE4 is freezing left and right.	09:29
Mamarok	fiendskull9: depends on the KDE4 version you have	09:29
fiendskull9	Could i apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop and apt-get install xubuntu-desktop safely?	09:29
shadeslayer	fiendskull9: why not?	09:29
Mamarok	fiendskull9: yep, should work, but the other way round, first install xubuntu, then remove kubuntu :)	09:30
shadeslayer	fiendskull9: just issue remove kubuntu-desktop from a tty	09:30
Vi_Vi	Hey Mamarok is it oppsible to have a system thats somewhere between x86 and 64?	09:30
Vi_Vi	because apparently mine is like.. both	09:30
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: if you have a 64 bit system you can run 32 bit applications on it, the other way round doesn't work	09:31
Vi_Vi	I hgave a 64-bit setup yes.. but	09:31
Vi_Vi	When we tried to get 32-bit flash going	09:31
fiendskull9	Mamarok: As you said, it depends on my KDE4 version. How can I check my version, and what version is most stable as of right now?	09:31
Vi_Vi	It said Architecture x86_64 is not supported.	09:31
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: flash is available for 64 bit too	09:31
Mamarok	fiendskull9: what Kubuntu have you installed?	09:32
Vi_Vi	Ill let you handle fiend cuz maybe your thoughts can help us	09:32
Vi_Vi	but ill wait	09:32
fiendskull9	Mamarok: 9.04	09:32
dwidmann_	Vi_Vi: install the flashplayer-nonfree pakcage from the ubuntu repositories instead of the package from adobe's website.	09:32
dwidmann_	erm, flashplugin-nonfree	09:32
Mamarok	fiendskull9: you can open the help menu in any application and check the 'About KDE' option	09:32
Vi_Vi	Yeah I used that before but it only allowed some flash stuff to work	09:32
Vi_Vi	For some reason audio on videos and streaming audio is no go	09:33
Vi_Vi	Chatango is a flash-chat (no go)	09:33
Vi_Vi	And omgpop's games do not connect	09:33
fiendskull9	Mamarok: KDE 4.2.2 it looks like	09:33
Vi_Vi	Been at this about 90 minutes	09:33
dwidmann_	Vi_Vi: in that case, if you think the one from Adobe's site will work better for whatever reason, use dpkg -i something.deb --force-architecture	09:33
Mamarok	fiendskull9: you should udate your system then, 4.2.4 is available since quite some time	09:33
Vi_Vi	No worries dwid, we went aaaaall through that	09:33
Vi_Vi	The .deb and tarball arent supproted	09:34
Vi_Vi	by w/e an x*6_64 achitecture is	09:34
Vi_Vi	x86	09:34
Mamarok	fiendskull9: but of course if you have less than 500MB ram, you should consider something else than KDE or Gnome	09:34
Vi_Vi	So we tried a 64-bit one	09:34
Vi_Vi	that SEEMED TO work	09:34
phh	Mamarok: with compcache, 512MB is comfortable	09:34
Vi_Vi	all it did was make the youtube vids a gray box.	09:34
fiendskull9	Mamarok: No worries on ram :) Is there a repo i should enable? KPackageIt is showing no updates.	09:34
Mamarok	phh: not if you want to run 3D effects, no	09:34
Mamarok	fiendskull9: see the topic :)	09:35
phh	Mamarok: oh well	09:35
fiendskull9	Mamarok: thanks!	09:35
Mamarok	or check on http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.4	09:35
Mamarok	(which is basically the same)	09:35
fiendskull9	Mamarok: Yeah thats the link in the topic	09:36
Mamarok	fiendskull9: and if you are comfortable with release candidates, there is 4.3 RC2	09:36
Mamarok	and KDE 4.3 is due in a few days, too	09:36
* shadeslayer is waiting for k3b to hit KDE4		09:37
fiendskull9	Mamarok: Ooo :)	09:37
fiendskull9	shadeslayer: I've been using K3B fine :O	09:37
Vi_Vi	umm mamarok	09:37
shadeslayer	fiendskull9: k3b in the repo is KDE 3 based	09:37
Mamarok	shadeslayer: ditto, works well here	09:38
fiendskull9	shadeslayer: I don't recall it installing any old kde3 libs or anything. Is there a compatibility layer or something?	09:38
fiendskull9	it just installed like 2mb of packages.	09:38
shadeslayer	Mamarok: i want a k3b which uses kde4 libs and qt4	09:39
fiendskull9	shadeslayer: Oh you purist :P	09:39
Mamarok	fiendskull9: it drags the dependencies automatically, ou might not have been aware it did	09:39
fiendskull9	Mamarok: Ah, I see.	09:39
Mamarok	shadeslayer: well then be patient or compile trunk ;) <- see the wink	09:39
shadeslayer	\o/	09:40
Vi_Vi	Man -_- Of course my OS would happen to be the black sheep x_X	09:40
Vi_Vi	32-bit Flash players are no good and the 64-bit attempt didn't prove effective. Whats left to try?	09:40
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: what version do you use?	09:40
fiendskull9	Vi_Vi: Install 686	09:41
Vi_Vi	What was the command to double-check my OS architecture?	09:41
fiendskull9	Vi_Vi: uname -a	09:41
Vi_Vi	whats -r do?	09:41
fiendskull9	prints the kernel release	09:42
Mamarok	tells you the kernel release number	09:42
Vi_Vi	ahh	09:42
Vi_Vi	well this is the return i get	09:42
Vi_Vi	2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:58:03 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux	09:42
fiendskull9	uname -m is actually more appropriate	09:42
Vi_Vi	x86_64	09:42
Vi_Vi	How is it both 32 and 64 isnt it 1 or the other	09:42
Mamarok	only for the hardware then	09:42
Vi_Vi	Well yeah my brother says this OS is a 32-bit Kubuntu	09:43
Vi_Vi	But i also know my hardware is meant to support 64-bit	09:43
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: I see no mention of i386	09:43
Vi_Vi	btw Mamarok I'm also pretty clsoe to being a linux newbie	09:43
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: well, your kernel is a 64-bit version	09:43
Mamarok	read the line above	09:43
Vi_Vi	The bit about my kernel?	09:43
Mamarok	the 32-bit kernel would tell you i386 GNU/Linux	09:44
Vi_Vi	And it does not. ookay..	09:44
avihay	2.6.28-13-generic #45-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jun 30 19:49:51 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux	09:44
Mamarok	you have a 64-bit kernel, which would not work on a 32-bit system	09:44
Vi_Vi	Right sooo..	09:44
Vi_Vi	kernel is the hardware yes?	09:44
phh	no.	09:44
Vi_Vi	ach.	09:44
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: no, kernel is the basic Linux	09:44
Vi_Vi	ookay	09:45
Vi_Vi	So this Linux Kubuntu of mine is not 32-bit like my bother claimed	09:45
Vi_Vi	but 64	09:45
Mamarok	exactly	09:45
Vi_Vi	Well this explains a lot. misinformation blows.	09:45
Vi_Vi	SO where is the stable release of this 64-bit adobe flash player?	09:45
Vi_Vi	Ive sniffed around the site of adobe	09:45
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: to know your hardware information, try uname -m	09:45
Vi_Vi	Yeah i wasnt sure what x86_64 meant	09:46
Vi_Vi	i just assumed it say x86 or x64	09:46
Vi_Vi	it would say*	09:46
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: don't know if it's stable yet, but it's available	09:46
Mamarok	!flash	09:46
ubottu	To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - See also !Restricted and !Gnash	09:46
Vi_Vi	http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html	09:47
Vi_Vi	That would be the one yes?	09:47
Vi_Vi	at the bottom	09:47
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: well, you simply shoudl install the flashplugin-nonfree package from the repositories	09:48
Mamarok	should*	09:48
Vi_Vi	Thats what i had done before but that only allowed some flash things to happen and youtube videos to play	09:48
Vi_Vi	Flash chat from chatango.com was no good, playing games on omgpop was no good	09:48
Vi_Vi	And no audio in videos worked	09:48
Vi_Vi	or on the browser as a whole really but im not sure if thats relevant	09:49
Vi_Vi	i have sound anywhere else just not my browsers	09:49
Mamarok	that might be a browser related problem, doesn't work in my firefox neither, works fine in konqueror	09:49
Vi_Vi	Didnt even work in Konqueror sir	09:49
Vi_Vi	okay well..	09:50
Vi_Vi	ill search the repository	09:50
Vi_Vi	btw	09:50
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: an alternative could be the opera browser	09:50
Vi_Vi	if im a 64-bit fellow	09:50
Vi_Vi	how come there's 4 amd64 updates blocked on my updater?	09:51
Mamarok	a blocked update means that there are dependencies not resolved yet	09:51
Vi_Vi	W/e that means =P But ok	09:51
Mamarok	try running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in a konsole	09:51
Vi_Vi	if dask was still alive he could explain whats wrong and what we had already done so much better than me	09:51
Vi_Vi	so just search flashplugin-nonfree and get the package?	09:52
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: or do sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree in a konsole	09:53
Vi_Vi	i probably shoulda had my browsers closed while i installed this	09:54
Vi_Vi	do it matter?	09:54
Mamarok	yes, close the browser :)	09:54
Vi_Vi	ah crud	09:54
Vi_Vi	i already installed with both Kong and Fox open	09:55
Mamarok	you will have to restart it anyway :)	09:55
Mamarok	no problem, just restart the browser	09:55
Vi_Vi	mmkay..	09:55
Vi_Vi	it didnt prompt me to close either 1 or anything.. so i just installed.	09:55
Vi_Vi	anyway lets see what that did on firefox	09:55
Vi_Vi	and kong	09:55
Vi_Vi	ookay...	09:56
Vi_Vi	well youtube is displaying	09:56
Vi_Vi	Chatango and Omgpop are bit wonky..	09:56
Vi_Vi	The available player	09:56
Vi_Vi	is it flash9?	09:56
FloodBotK1	Vi_Vi: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.	09:56
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: Vi_Vi nope, it's 10	09:58
Mamarok	sorry, typo :(	09:58
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: aptitude show flashplugin-nonfree tells you the version	09:58
Vi_Vi	aptitude show..?	10:00
Vi_Vi	Konsole command?	10:00
Vi_Vi	This package is a transitional package that can safely be removed after you	10:01
Vi_Vi	installed flashplugin-installer.	10:01
Vi_Vi	that improtant at all?	10:01
Vi_Vi	well you're right its clearly flash 10...	10:02
Vi_Vi	So why is it only youtube video shows	10:02
Vi_Vi	but other flash content doesnt work completely	10:02
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: well, not all flash is programmed correctly :)	10:05
Vi_Vi	tell ya what	10:05
Vi_Vi	Can you do me a favor?	10:05
Mamarok	go on	10:05
Vi_Vi	basically flash movies seem to display.. but anything that lets me interact with others doesnt	10:05
Vi_Vi	SO	10:05
Vi_Vi	could you go to www.omgpop.com and just hit the "Games" tab	10:06
Vi_Vi	Pick any game you want and hit the big Play Now button	10:06
Vi_Vi	the site'll handle the rest	10:06
Vi_Vi	Everything else about the site works fine for except actually joining the games. which didnt used to happen/	10:07
Vi_Vi	And the flash-baed chat i sometimes use doesnt correctly display but it does in fact work	10:07
Mamarok	works here, but the network is extremly slow	10:08
Vi_Vi	Assuming flash was installed. I have flash apparently, but for some reason no go.	10:08
Mamarok	the games network I mean, not mine :)	10:08
Vi_Vi	well when u hit play now does it throw u into someoe's match?	10:08
Vi_Vi	or does it hang at connecting to game network	10:09
digmore	I think it is not working simply	10:09
Mamarok	it hangs at connection, but that's not a flash problem, it's more like their network is down	10:09
Vi_Vi	Double-checking	10:10
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: it clearly states their network can't connect you, not a flash problem	10:10
Vi_Vi	Well, friend says she can in fact join games	10:10
Vi_Vi	But if it was purely a network issue why is it that chatango's flash chat is also not working.	10:10
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: why do you use a flash chat application if you have much better installed?	10:11
Vi_Vi	I debated if it was even a flash issue but if it works for someone else and not us	10:11
digmore	I actually install firefox(windows)	10:11
Vi_Vi	Maybe Linux just hates flash-based people interaction? :P	10:11
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: nope, it's more likely their network still being beta it has serious flaws :)	10:12
digmore	then flash works fine, but it may be slow	10:12
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: that's not about hate, just that flash is a pain and full of bugs, if everybody would learn to code correctly it would not be an issue	10:12
Vi_Vi	I worded it silly	10:12
Vi_Vi	But what i mean is it just seems like any flash business that itneracts with other people	10:13
Vi_Vi	Seems dysfunctional	10:13
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: seriously, you don't need a flash chat application if you have software installed for it	10:13
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Vi_Vi	Do you mean my chat messenger?	10:13
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: then blame Adobe, flash is closed source, we can do absolutely nothing about	10:13
Vi_Vi	Don't freak out on me =P	10:14
Vi_Vi	I check the flash chat to see if its working properly	10:14
Vi_Vi	I guess its jsut because of my OS then..	10:14
shadeslayer	btw,does anyone have a bit of a lag with Xserver and KDM recently??	10:14
Vi_Vi	I can believe that there's conflict.	10:14
shadeslayer	KDE 4.3 rc2	10:14
Vi_Vi	ah man.	10:15
Vi_Vi	3 hours of wrestling and back to square 1 lol.	10:15
Vi_Vi	But you're right it is closed source so compatibility is probably the main issue here.	10:15
Mamarok	shadeslayer: I had two X crashes during chromium updates, so I blame chromium, not RC2	10:15
Vi_Vi	Well regardless of the end result thanks for the help Mamarok	10:15
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: as I said, blame Adobe, not your OS	10:16
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: yaw :)	10:16
Vi_Vi	Well you know what i mean	10:16
Vi_Vi	I know u love Linux i just meant it seems the relationship between my OS and Adobe isnt solid.	10:16
Vi_Vi	Well since that's a lost cause.. any idea why i have sound but not on my browsers?	10:16
shadeslayer	Mamarok: i dont have chromium,but what im asking is with the 2.6.28-14 kernel and xserver 1.6 , KDM and xserver start very slowly...like theres a gap of 2 secs	10:17
Vi_Vi	Seems weird that both wouldnt work	10:17
Vi_Vi	OH!	10:19
Vi_Vi	mamarok before i forget	10:19
Vi_Vi	There's 1 more wee thing :D	10:19
shadeslayer	Vi_Vi: just ask :)	10:21
Mamarok	shadeslayer: no gap for me	10:22
shadeslayer	hmm...ill have a looksie at the logs	10:22
Vi_Vi	Actually yeah anyone can answer this	10:23
Vi_Vi	oh wait..	10:23
Vi_Vi	gonna need the 64-bit version. hold on	10:23
Mamarok	we are waiting, indeed :)	10:23
shadeslayer	Mamarok: http://pastebin.com/f5c7cac78	10:23
Mamarok	shadeslayer: why are you using gdm?	10:24
shadeslayer	Mamarok: im not	10:25
Vi_Vi	Right! so	10:25
Vi_Vi	I want to install winrar here	10:25
Vi_Vi	and got the x64 linux version	10:25
Mamarok	shadeslayer: well, then you should remove it and it's configuration files	10:25
shadeslayer	Vi_Vi: you dont need it..	10:25
Vi_Vi	whaddya mean	10:25
Mamarok	as it tries to write to the gdm log, read your paste	10:25
Vi_Vi	i have a file in rar format that ARK cant open	10:25
shadeslayer	Vi_Vi: kde has ark	10:26
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: what dou you want to do with winrar?	10:26
Vi_Vi	Extract the contents of a rar file containing a band's discography	10:26
shadeslayer	Mamarok: uh i dont have gdm installed...	10:26
Mamarok	then the rar file is broken, ark can open that without problems, normally	10:26
Vi_Vi	ARK isnt up to that task	10:26
Mamarok	shadeslayer: as I said, read your paste, it tries to start gdm, it's not correctly removed I guess	10:26
Vi_Vi	i will test with another rar file	10:27
Vi_Vi	should have 1 somewhere..	10:27
shadeslayer	Mamarok: what if i tell you that i didnt even install gdm once?	10:27
dwidmann_	Vi_Vi: try using rar directly in konsole, if that doesn't work then the file is probably corrupt or incomplete	10:27
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: else you can try with mc (midnight commander, you will have to install it)	10:27
Vi_Vi	yeah hold on, i have something else in rar on CD	10:27
Vi_Vi	gonna yank that a sec	10:27
Vi_Vi	midnight commander? sounds like a racist joke XD	10:28
Mamarok	shadeslayer: well, you must have at some point, I never did and have no mention of gdm in my log file	10:28
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: ...	10:28
Vi_Vi	Sorry im in a dark space was tryin to	10:28
Vi_Vi	nvm lol. strike it from the record	10:28
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: I don't make jokes in a support channel, unless I mark it as such	10:28
Vi_Vi	o.o" Right-o	10:28
shadeslayer	Mamarok: hmm...afaik ive never tried to install gnome or gdm...anyways how do i remove the config files?	10:29
Mamarok	shadeslayer: autoremove?	10:29
shadeslayer	nothing	10:29
Vi_Vi	umm	10:29
Vi_Vi	Im not sure how I did it beofre but	10:29
Vi_Vi	How do i arrive at the contents of the CD i put in?	10:30
Mamarok	shadeslayer: then it's in the xorg config file I guess	10:30
shadeslayer	Mamarok: i just ran a dpkg --reconfigure...	10:30
Vi_Vi	nvm got it	10:30
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: open it, you should have a pop up for the CD	10:30
Vi_Vi	yeah i didnt get a pop up but	10:30
Vi_Vi	i managed by going into the cd burner function	10:31
shadeslayer	Mamarok: http://pastebin.com/f5a002159	10:31
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: you should, it's in the panel, device notifier	10:31
Vi_Vi	the thing that normally says "nod evices plugged in"?	10:31
Mamarok	new devices plugged in, yes	10:32
Vi_Vi	yes.. well	10:32
Vi_Vi	It says no devices plugged in	10:32
Vi_Vi	as usual	10:32
shadeslayer	brb in 10 mins...pizza breakfast :	10:32
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: what KDE version do you have?	10:33
Vi_Vi	the what?	10:33
Vi_Vi	well its strange. on my CD everyyr ar became a zip	10:33
Vi_Vi	but the archive in question is a rar	10:33
Vi_Vi	and ARK cant handle it	10:33
Vi_Vi	every rar*	10:33
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: it still is a rar, just the icon is a package icon	10:34
said	The application Plasma Workspace (plasma) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV).	10:34
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: that's why I asked, what KDE version do you have?	10:34
said	Please help us improve the software you use by filing a report at http://bugs.kde.org. Useful details include how to reproduce the error, documents that were loaded, etc.	10:34
Vi_Vi	you'd have to explain what the KDE is	10:34
Vi_Vi	and how i would check its version	10:34
Mamarok	said: please, do not flood the channel with such messages, ask a question instead	10:34
said	what dose it mean that message	10:34
Vi_Vi	oh	10:34
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: KDE is the desktop if you have Kubuntu isntalled	10:35
Vi_Vi	yes I have Kubuntu 9.04	10:35
Mamarok	said: it asks you to report the crash you just had	10:35
said	how i can do that	10:36
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: in Dolphin, please check in the Help menu, the about KDE option, it tells you the version	10:36
Vi_Vi	Kk	10:36
Mamarok	said: just follow the instructions of the window that just came up	10:36
Vi_Vi	4.2.2	10:36
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: you should update your version then, see the topic, there are bugfixes available	10:37
Vi_Vi	!topic	10:37
ubottu	Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic	10:37
Vi_Vi	errr	10:38
Vi_Vi	So.. i have to make a dvd with the 4.2.4 on it to make this upgrade?	10:38
Vi_Vi	Or is there any easier way	10:38
Mamarok	no, not at all...	10:38
Mamarok	did you read the section about 4.2.4 correctly?	10:38
Vi_Vi	is it the shipit link?	10:39
Vi_Vi	i was assuming sicne its next to the 4.2.4 tidbit that was the place	10:39
Mamarok	no, read again	10:39
Vi_Vi	oh there it is	10:39
Vi_Vi	how cluttered =P	10:39
Mamarok	there is a \| sign delimiting the items i n the topic...	10:39
Vi_Vi	be nice its 5:40 AM	10:39
Vi_Vi	been at this for 4 hours with a flu :P	10:39
Vi_Vi	okay	10:40
Vi_Vi	im at the page	10:40
Vi_Vi	deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main	10:40
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: well, then read, no need to tell us every step	10:40
Vi_Vi	where does that get entered?	10:40
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: in the sources list	10:41
Vi_Vi	Trust me im really anal about my process. 2nd day on Linux	10:41
Vi_Vi	Reeaaally wanna make sure im creeping every inch correctly	10:41
Vi_Vi	We'll compromise :D	10:41
Mamarok	but it should be in the backports repository by now, let me check	10:41
Vi_Vi	mmkay	10:41
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: go to the system settings, add/remove new software	10:41
Vi_Vi	yup	10:42
Mamarok	go to the settings	10:42
Vi_Vi	yarp	10:42
Mamarok	then 'Edit software sources?	10:42
Vi_Vi	im in	10:42
Mamarok	there you should have an entry for the backports repositor	10:43
Mamarok	y	10:43
Vi_Vi	uhh this is in software sources?	10:43
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: please read what I said	10:43
Vi_Vi	Indeed I did	10:44
Vi_Vi	I was with you as far as getting into Editing the sources	10:44
Vi_Vi	but i dont see anything about a backports repository..	10:44
Vi_Vi	triple-checking	10:44
Vi_Vi	What tab is this under	10:44
Mamarok	in the tab about ubuntu software	10:44
Vi_Vi	Kubuntu Software... nothing about backports.	10:45
Vi_Vi	Canonical0support open source, community-maintained open source	10:45
Vi_Vi	proprietary drivers	10:45
Vi_Vi	software restricted...	10:45
Mamarok	oops, my bad, Updates tab	10:45
Vi_Vi	and Source Code	10:45
bazhang	Vi_Vi, what about paste.ubuntu.com with your sources.list	10:45
Vi_Vi	(cocks eyebrow)	10:45
Vi_Vi	Kubuntu updates....	10:46
Mamarok	bazhang: ...	10:46
bazhang	Mamarok, yes?	10:46
Mamarok	it's only his second day, don't expect too much	10:46
Vi_Vi	been doing alright tho :D	10:46
Vi_Vi	Right well	10:46
Vi_Vi	There is nothing about backports in the Kubuntu Updates tab	10:46
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: the tab is named 'Updates	10:46
Vi_Vi	yessir	10:47
bazhang	ma'am	10:47
Vi_Vi	Sir is just my speech	10:47
Mamarok	it says unsupported updates (jaunty-backports)	10:47
Vi_Vi	not genderal =P	10:47
Vi_Vi	oh well it says Unsupproted Updates	10:47
bazhang	:)	10:47
Vi_Vi	Dunno where yer gettin the jaunty bit from	10:47
Vi_Vi	Okay well i checked it on	10:47
Mamarok	ok, then close it and it should update your sources list	10:48
Vi_Vi	ookay	10:48
Vi_Vi	it asked me to reload so i did and	10:48
Vi_Vi	it updated something	10:48
Mamarok	it's updating the sources, then you go to the updates section, and tell him to update everything there	10:49
Vi_Vi	k	10:49
Vi_Vi	In the Updates tab check everything on?	10:50
Mamarok	there should be a button to check all updates, no?	10:51
Vi_Vi	No if i want to enable all 4	10:51
Vi_Vi	ig otta do it manually	10:51
Vi_Vi	improtant - reocmmended - pre-released - unsupproted	10:51
Mamarok	do a refresh first then	10:51
Vi_Vi	(wind blows)	10:53
Vi_Vi	I checked off all 4 update bits	10:53
Vi_Vi	did a reload when asked	10:53
Vi_Vi	And i guess it installed an updated list	10:53
Vi_Vi	that good?	10:53
shadeslayer	Mamarok: any other ideas?	10:53
Mamarok	shadeslayer: about what?	10:53
shadeslayer	Mamarok: that GDM thing...	10:54
Mamarok	not really no, except reinstalling the x server from a shell	10:54
shadeslayer	gah..	10:54
shadeslayer	Mamarok: what if i reinstall kdm?	10:55
Mamarok	well, that's the only explanaition I have for that gap, somehow you must have installed gdm at some point on that machine, why else would it be there	10:55
shadeslayer	no idea..but i positively know i didnt install it	10:55
Mamarok	shadeslayer: I doubt it's the problem, your xorg is looking for a gdm log file, that's the gap	10:55
shadeslayer	hmm	10:56
Vi_Vi	Not to interrupt but i figured our itnerfaces were a bit different	10:56
Vi_Vi	but u wanted me to enable all 4 update checkboxes	10:57
Vi_Vi	So i did and im now being told i have 15 available updates	10:57
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: you only have 4 updates after a refresh?	10:57
Vi_Vi	Nono i have 15. i dont have a "check all" or whatever	10:57
Vi_Vi	but manually clicking all 4 boxes is the same	10:57
Vi_Vi	so i did the reload and the update manager thing	10:57
Vi_Vi	is saying i have 15 available, 6 blocked	10:57
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: on the bottom, you have a button 'Apply all updates', no need to choose those manually	10:58
Vi_Vi	oooooooooooh	10:58
Vi_Vi	u meant apply all updates	10:58
Mamarok	first the refresh button, then that one	10:58
Vi_Vi	theres no button for that btw =P	10:58
Vi_Vi	wait	10:58
Vi_Vi	nvm.	10:58
Vi_Vi	i thought u were referring to the	10:58
Vi_Vi	yeaah we were talking about 2 diff things but im with ya now	10:59
Vi_Vi	however, in the sources thing	10:59
Vi_Vi	I did enable all 4 checkboxes	10:59
Vi_Vi	Is this ok?	10:59
Vi_Vi	from important to unsupported	10:59
Mamarok	you should have about 100 for an upgrade to 4.2.4 normally...	10:59
Vi_Vi	oh.. relleh	11:00
Vi_Vi	I mean ive enabled everything	11:00
Vi_Vi	improtant, recommended, pre-release, unsupported	11:00
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: let me check that first	11:00
Vi_Vi	total 15, 6 blocked	11:00
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: never mind, it doesn't seem to be in the backports then, my bad	11:03
shadeslayer	Mamarok: if i install GDM and remove it will the problem be solved?	11:04
Mamarok	shadeslayer: don't do that, that would be probably worse	11:04
shadeslayer	ok	11:04
Mamarok	shadeslayer: it's a RC, that could well have some glitches, you are complaining about 2 seconds there	11:05
shadeslayer	Mamarok: hmm...true,i am on the lookout for bugs	11:05
Vi_Vi	neee...	11:08
Vi_Vi	I think ima call it quits for now	11:08
Vi_Vi	4 hours in the AM is too damn much to learn Linux XD	11:08
Vi_Vi	Thanks mama-san	11:08
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: indeed, have a good night of sleep :)	11:08
Vi_Vi	oh man.. my eyes.	11:08
Vi_Vi	Oh wait	11:08
Mamarok	you are welcome, Vi_Vi :)	11:09
Vi_Vi	Ahh one more thing dear fellow =D	11:09
Vi_Vi	you said there sohuld be a massive amount of updates	11:09
Vi_Vi	well that was true when i first installed. did some200+	11:09
Vi_Vi	but, with every update source checked off	11:09
Vi_Vi	15 is all i got	11:09
Vi_Vi	Is this cause for concern?	11:09
shadeslayer	Vi_Vi: that would be security updates...all new installs have those	11:09
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: well, there is not, as the 4.2.4 packages are not in the backports, my bad, as I said before	11:09
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: and no, this is not cause for concern, those packages are the new Amarok and a few others	11:10
Mamarok	shadeslayer: he talks about the new update from the backports	11:10
Vi_Vi	yeah they are	11:10
shadeslayer	Mamarok: oh	11:10
Mamarok	Vi_Vi: the amarok package is highly recommended, as the one you have now is totally outdated	11:11
Vi_Vi	Ill take all 15 then	11:12
Vi_Vi	i guess we'll figure out the 4.2.4 thing another time	11:12
Vi_Vi	Break time now :D good night gents	11:12
Vi_Vi	and.. lady?	11:12
Vi_Vi	Someone here is. anyway, auf widerlesen!	11:12
Vi_Vi	wieder	11:12
shadeslayer	ive got a flight to catch,so i need to do some packing...bye for now	11:13
Mamarok	shadeslayer: have a nice trip then :)	11:13
shadeslayer	Mamarok: thanks,ill have the usual jet lag,nothing serious though	11:14
Mamarok	long flight?	11:14
shadeslayer	Mamarok: UK to india	11:14
Mamarok	wow, yeah, that will be a jetlag indeed	11:15
Mamarok	have a nice flight then :)	11:15
shadeslayer	Mamarok: thanks...bye :)	11:15
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djdarkman	hello, I'm using KDE 4.3 on jaunty, how can I make GTK apps look good in it?	11:49
Peace-	djdarkman: ytou have to install some packages	11:49
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djdarkman	ok what packages Peace-?	11:50
Peace-	kde-slyle-qtcurve	11:50
Peace-	gtk2-engines-qtcurve	11:51
Peace-	djdarkman: then you have to set the stuff on systemsettings	11:52
Peace-	btw i am using only qt stuff...	11:52
wizkoder_	hy everybody	11:58
wizkoder_	which package contains "unless"?	11:59
wizkoder_	how can I find out?	11:59
agata	wizkoder_, try apt-cache search unless	12:00
agata	in a terminal	12:00
wizkoder_	did that. but the result is not helping :-(	12:01
tsimpson	use the search at http://packages.ubuntu.com	12:01
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scorpid	hi everybody	12:03
scorpid	can i ask a question	12:03
scorpid	?	12:03
Blizzerand	!ask	12:04
ubottu	Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)	12:04
scorpid	i format my usb drive as swap	12:04
scorpid	and i wnat to use that as ram	12:04
scorpid	how can i do that	12:04
scorpid	i have 512 mb ram	12:05
scorpid	and 1GB swap	12:05
scorpid	i want to disable that 1GB swap	12:05
scorpid	and want to use my usb as swap	12:05
wizkoder_	this idea seems strange to me...	12:08
wizkoder_	why don't you get rid of all the swap?	12:08
tsimpson	it's a bad idea, USB speed is even slower than HDD	12:09
what_if	I think Vista does this. Readyboost. Its doable	12:11
tsimpson	it can work, but it'll be especially slow	12:12
what_if	you should mount the pendrive by UUID though in fstab to ensure the system can find it (in case the drive assignment changes in /dev/ )	12:12
Blizzerand	scorpid : The machine would be damn slow dude . Better not try it	12:15
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damjan	fdg	12:40
faruk	my sound problem is getting boring	12:42
faruk	i've a great problem with last version of ubuntu	12:42
faruk	can somebody help me?	12:42
bernardlychan	hi does anyone know how to get a static ip address is you have wlan>	12:50
bernardlychan	?	12:50
what_if	set the interface address to static in /etc/network/interfaces	12:53
edb	!kde3	13:01
ubottu	Kubuntu 8.04 ships with KDE3 and full support. Jaunty does not include KDE3 but a remix install CD can be obtained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty . This is not officially supported. Support, instructions and ways to contribute can be found on the wiki page	13:01
edb	hrm. is http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/install.html the main way people are using kde 3 on jaunty, or is there a repository that's	13:02
edb	more generally "approved of"?	13:02
JJ__	i need help for reinstall my jaunty 9.04	13:05
pavelovich	who is french	13:08
edb	french people, mostly	13:09
tsimpson	!fr	13:09
ubottu	Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr	13:09
pavelovich	thanks	13:10
pavelovich	yo	13:10
Bauldrick	anyone experiance in getting sky player to work? I've install moonlight 2.0 (preview)..	13:11
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BluesKaj	Hiyas all	13:31
peabody	I installed the inetutils-ftpd package http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/net/inetutils-ftpd and there's absolutely no instructions as to how it is installed or used, but I found the changelog http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/i/inetutils/inetutils_1.6-1/changelog says that it uses inetutils-inetd script, however I have no such script installed on my system... does anyone use this ftpd or know how the package instal	13:32
peabody	I have to configure it from scratch just for user directories?	13:32
tsimpson	peabody: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/ftp-server.html	13:36
peabody	tsimpson: so don't use inetutils-ftpd is what you are saying?	13:40
peabody	honestly I don't care since it's not using a bunch of unnecessary libraries	13:41
peabody	thanks	13:41
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JeRRiCo	whats the topic	14:08
bazhang	JeRRiCo, type /topic	14:09
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pesarkhobeee	hi?	14:12
JeRRiCo	hey	14:12
pesarkhobeee	sorry my english lunguage is not good but i hav a question! how to add extra font in kubuntu	14:13
JeRRiCo	no idea	14:13
pesarkhobeee	its good	14:14
pesarkhobeee	tnx	14:15
pesarkhobeee	yes ! i find it!	14:16
pesarkhobeee	install Additional Fonts in Kubuntu	14:16
pesarkhobeee	* Collate all your fonts, Download if you want to and have it in one folder for easy access.	14:16
pesarkhobeee	* Once your done. Copy all the fonts in that folder.	14:16
pesarkhobeee	* Browse the folder /etc/fonts in Kubuntu (you must have admin access) and paste all the files.	14:16
pesarkhobeee	* On the left side of Dolphin File Manager, you will see a link to install the fonts. Or simply double-click it. That?s it!	14:16
FloodBotK1	pesarkhobeee: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.	14:16
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alex___	test	14:50
pesarkhobeee	test is ok!	14:52
alex___	jojo, wollt dieses IRC nur mal ausprobieren is wohl sowas wie knuddels. okay, tschau leute, haut rein :-)	14:52
_abbenormal	hello all	15:01
_abbenormal	got a ? for someone who may know	15:02
_abbenormal	im trying to setup xine with vdpau and was wondering if some has already done it and maybe may know an easier way	15:02
_abbenormal	im not sure but hearing i have to remocve the old xine first and not sure what all it will break	15:03
Mamarok	_abbenormal: I don't even know what vdpau is...	15:06
Mamarok	and you are taling about Xine, the video player?	15:07
Mamarok	talking*	15:07
_abbenormal	yes sir vdpau is used for playback of video content for hd stuff	15:07
_abbenormal	its a codec sort of	15:08
Mamarok	_abbenormal: why not use vlc?	15:08
Mamarok	not sure if xine is still up to date	15:08
_abbenormal	well i need xine for vdr to play from a source dvb cards	15:09
_abbenormal	ill have to read some and see if vdr will run out vlc think it does just dont know how	15:10
Mamarok	!dvb \| _abbenormal	15:11
ubottu	_abbenormal: http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), Kaffeine, kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Me-TV (GNOME), Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out	15:11
Mamarok	this might help then	15:11
_abbenormal	yup ive been using or used half of them i normaly use a striped debian basic with less eye candy and no desktop lots of extra stuff not needed for a htpc setup	15:13
_abbenormal	this is a test to see how it will work and im not use to the kubuntu way	15:13
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Ratze	hello all	16:00
utimothy	hi to all	16:02
ubunturos	!hi \| utimothy	16:03
ubottu	utimothy: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!	16:03
utimothy	looking for new icons.........i am a newbee using ubuntu	16:04
Mamarok	utimothy: are you using Gnome or KDE?	16:05
utimothy	gnome	16:06
Mamarok	utimothy: then you should ask in the #ubuntu channel, we are more doing KDE here :)	16:06
utimothy	ok thank	16:06
Antaranian	Mamarok: can I ask here how to change gnome to kde ?	16:07
Antaranian	:)	16:07
Mamarok	Antaranian: install the kubuntu-desktop packages, it will install the basic KDE, then add the other kde packages selecting in the package manager according to your needs	16:08
Antaranian	you know, I've installed some kde applications	16:09
Antaranian	like konversation	16:09
Antaranian	and so I've installed kde libs	16:09
Antaranian	now I'm looking in synaptic package manager	16:09
Antaranian	there is no kubuntu installation	16:09
Mamarok	Antaranian: there is a package called kubuntu-desktop	16:10
Antaranian	i'm searching for kubuntu	16:11
Antaranian	no results :(	16:11
Mamarok	Antaranian: you should search for kubuntu-desktop... third time sigh	16:11
Mamarok	and use the search button, not the search field	16:11
Antaranian	oh ok	16:12
Mamarok	the search field is only to narrow down a search already made	16:12
Antaranian	then can I easily switch between gnome and kde interface ?	16:12
Mamarok	Antaranian: yes, just log out of one, and select another session in either gdm or kdm, depends on which you keep	16:13
Antaranian	ok, thanks Mamarok	16:14
Mamarok	Antaranian: yaw :)	16:14
hunger	Will qtcreator get upgraded to 1.2.1 in karmic?	16:27
hunger	Sid has the debs already...	16:28
ulysses__	hello, there isn't xorg.conf in my karmic koala, what can i do?	16:38
moonflux	is there an extra channel for kubuntu+kde 4.3?	16:39
moonflux	am I the only one where the Report Bug feature doesn't work for the kde 4.3rc2 packages?	16:40
Mamarok	hunger: no idea, you might have to check the Kermic repos or ask in #ubuntu+1	16:41
Mamarok	ulysses__: ask in #ubuntu+1, please, we do only support for released versions	16:41
Mamarok	moonflux: which one do you mean, Dr. Konqi?	16:42
ulysses__	Mamarok: ok thanks	16:42
moonflux	Mamarok: no, Help->Report Bug	16:42
Mamarok	or the report a bug option in the help menu?	16:42
moonflux	the latter	16:42
Mamarok	right, let me try	16:42
Mamarok	moonflux: seems you hit a bug, doesn't work here neither	16:43
moonflux	Mamarok: thx for testing, I'll ask at #kde if thats a kubuntu or general bug	16:43
Mamarok	moonflux: I already reported to the devs right now :)	16:44
Peace-	hey i have a problem here	16:45
Peace-	with a printer	16:45
Peace-	photosmart 7762	16:45
Peace-	it just freeze itself	16:45
Peace-	i tried hp-lip	16:45
Mamarok	Peace-: pease, don't make new line sfor evers two words, all in one line	16:46
Mamarok	lines for*	16:46
Mamarok	and please, of course :)	16:46
Peace-	Mamarok: ...it's 2 years i make support here	16:46
moonflux	Mamarok: on launchpad?	16:46
Mamarok	Peace-: well, be aware of the FloodBot then :)	16:46
Peace-	i know i know	16:46
Mamarok	moonflux: no, the dev channel	16:46
moonflux	Mamarok: I'll file a bug anyway so it doesn't get lost :)	16:47
moonflux	seems like its not a general kde bug btw	16:47
Mamarok	moonflux: they are aware of it, same bug in Karmic	16:48
moonflux	Mamarok: got a lp bug# to subscribe to?	16:49
moonflux	seems like its intended and they tried to replace the kde bug reporter with apport: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicApport	16:51
Mamarok	moonflux: somebody is working on it right now	16:52
moonflux	Mamarok: kthx	16:54
moonflux	an rc without a working bug report feature doesn't make much sense ;)	16:54
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QuantumKaos	guys when copying something from a folder to another it says "could not change permission" how do i solve it up?	17:19
Arv3n	test	17:27
_abbenormal	1 2 3	17:28
Arv3n	sorry, my colors aren't working right on quassel.	17:28
Arv3n	stupid dark themes! >: \|	17:28
Arv3n	test again	17:29
Arv3n	ok now my name is white but my teext is black >: \|	17:29
Arv3n	there we go.	17:30
Arv3n	sweet. :D	17:30
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foosinn	hi, does someone know how to set a default monitor for new windows in kubuntu 9.04?	17:33
Arv3n	Perfect. :B	17:33
pafnow	foosinn, for all the windows or just a selected application ?	17:35
foosinn	all windows	17:35
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Guest75625	how do you make konquall websights. like gmailer work with	17:36
Guest75625	how do you make konquer work with all website like gmail	17:36
robin0800	Guest75625, use firefox	17:37
pafnow	foosinn, it's in the specific parameters for the windows/applications	17:38
pafnow	right clic in the title bar of a window	17:39
pafnow	advanced/special parameters for window	17:39
foosinn	hmm	17:40
pafnow	and here in the first tab (window) you can select the window class (put nothing here, select not important in the menu)	17:40
foosinn	i think i need to change my xorg config	17:40
pafnow	(sorry for my english)	17:40
pafnow	wow	17:40
pafnow	i don't think so	17:40
pafnow	u have 2 monitors which work ?	17:41
foosinn	yes	17:41
foosinn	but ist a bit strange	17:41
pafnow	why ?	17:41
foosinn	if i loot in configurete monitors theres only one big screen	17:41
foosinn	(sorry vor my english, too :))	17:42
pafnow	es it's the same for me	17:42
pafnow	in the tab multiple monitors in display in the configuration center of kde	17:43
pafnow	you have a way to detect each monitor by displaying a 1 and a 2	17:44
foosinn	no	17:44
pafnow	after that, xorg creates one default output which fits the two monitors	17:44
pafnow	how no ?	17:44
foosinn	i have just one big default in the middle ^^	17:44
pafnow	yes it's the default output	17:45
pafnow	but in the left panel u must have other menu	17:46
pafnow	no ?	17:46
foosinn	in which panel?	17:47
n8w	hey	17:47
n8w	is there any kind of application which would handle my 5+1 sound system?(subwoofer management etc)	17:48
_abbenormal	alsamixer should	17:50
_abbenormal	think its also on the normal mixer built into kubuntu	17:50
_abbenormal	it has setting for the extra channels you can configure	17:50
n8w	_abbenormal: hmm the thing is that my sound engine is xine...ive got no alsa..at least its not listed under the sound engine tab	17:52
_abbenormal	dpkg -l alsa*	17:53
_abbenormal	should list if you have it	17:53
_abbenormal	im working on xine and getting vdpau in it so can get playback thru vdpau have you done that yet	17:56
foosinn	pafnow, got it =D	17:57
n8w	_abbenormal: hmmm ok,well it shows that ive got it...but, what kind of application shall i run in order to make some undjustments to my sound system?	17:57
Mamarok	n8w: alsa is installed by default, xine is only the phonon backend	17:57
foosinn	i had to set it in the compiz config	17:57
Mamarok	n8w: which Kubuntu are we talking about?	17:58
_abbenormal	try alsamixer in the terminal exit saves the settings	17:58
n8w	Mamarok: 9.04	17:58
Mamarok	_abbenormal: xine is not the same as the phonon-xine-bckend for sound	17:58
n8w	_abbenormal: ive already done that	17:58
n8w	_abbenormal: there is nothin like bass management n so on	17:58
_abbenormal	ah ok not worked with that yet Mamarok	17:58
Mamarok	n8w: you should have kmix by default where you can select the channels	17:59
n8w	Mamarok: i cant kick it up...it wont run...ive tried that too	17:59
litayem	hello	18:00
Mamarok	n8w: no loudspeaker symbol in the pager part of the panel?	18:00
n8w	Mamarok: yep ive got that	18:00
Mamarok	n8w: that is kmix	18:00
Mamarok	right click on it	18:00
Mamarok	then show mixer window	18:00
n8w	Mamarok: oh ok..i thought that kmix is some sort of extension to it	18:00
Mamarok	n8w: also check if phonon sees your soundcard correctly, in systemsettings -> multimedia	18:01
n8w	Mamarok: i think it does...	18:02
pafnow	scuse me foosinn i was on phone	18:02
n8w	Mamarok: ye but the mixer has nothin related to a bass management	18:02
_abbenormal	Mamarok, is there a special way to build xine in kubuntu so i can add the vdpau xine setup	18:03
Mamarok	n8w: all channels visible?	18:03
n8w	Mamarok: yep	18:03
Mamarok	_abbenormal: don't know, I haven't used xine in ages	18:03
pafnow	so u found something foosinn ?	18:03
n8w	Mamarok: another thing is that when i plug in my headphones the sound is bein played from speakes as well	18:04
foosinn	pafnow: yes, i set it up in compiz	18:04
foosinn	now it works fine	18:04
pafnow	in compiz ?	18:04
foosinn	yes	18:04
pafnow	strange	18:04
pafnow	but it works	18:04
n8w	Mamarok: so the sound is comin from both...headphones+speakers	18:04
Mamarok	n8w: check the channel settings in the mixer window then, you might have to change the master channel	18:05
n8w	Mamarok: change to what...i dont rly know what to change it to	18:05
dwidmann_	n8w: it should usually be master or pcm	18:07
Mamarok	n8w: well, I don't know either, you will have to try it out, unless you can find some docu about your soundcard online	18:07
_abbenormal	can i post a url in the room	18:11
dwidmann_	_abbenormal: if it's not to something that violates the CoC, then I should think so	18:12
_abbenormal	hum looking up coc	18:12
_abbenormal	no its related to the topic of sound control e8n is looking for	18:13
dwidmann_	_abbenormal: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubuntu.com%2Fcommunity%2Fconduct&ei=sQJiSrfLG4GasgO6ufhm&usg=AFQjCNHTDuUhqAx6yq9BLe2ibYOikMcTYw&sig2=62meBNDU0yUCLBgPJDL_lg	18:13
_abbenormal	think he may need to setup midi type control to do treble and bass	18:13
alex_	hello	18:14
alex_	who can help me?	18:14
alex_	i have a little problem	18:14
_abbenormal	no ne cause we dont know your issue	18:14
_abbenormal	ne = one	18:14
alex_	ok	18:14
alex_	the issue is this	18:15
_abbenormal	n8w, look thru these pages http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+sound+bass+control&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a	18:15
alex_	i can't write sone folders in www on sistem files	18:15
n8w	_abbenormal: thx m8 ill take a look at it	18:15
alex_	some8	18:15
alex_	i've installed lamp	18:16
alex_	everyting it's ok	18:16
_abbenormal	n8w, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-desktop-adjust-sound-volume-control/ that my do the trick	18:16
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_abbenormal	my = may	18:17
alex_	and i want to see a site	18:17
alex_	and i can't put the files of a site in folder var/www	18:17
alex_	but i can create a file over there over the terminal	18:18
alex_	i tried to enter on root, but my OS i can't do this	18:19
alex_	can someone help me?	18:19
alex_	:-?	18:19
Mamarok	alex_: sorry, I fear I don't understand what you want to do, if you say you "can't see a site"	18:24
n8w	_abbenormal: ye i got it:)	18:24
n8w	_abbenormal: im tyrin to figure out how to mute speakers when i connect my headphones..damn, dunno what to do...in ubuntu,there is smth called Headphone Jack Sense, but not in kubuntu	18:25
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alex_	mamarok i've tried to copy a website files made by a friend of mine into folder www of the apache server	18:29
alex_	and i haven't the permision to do this	18:29
vprm	how do i get/install the Realtek RTL8185 for ubuntu-9.04??can i use synaptic??	18:29
Mamarok	alex_: how did you copy it?	18:29
pafnow	alex_: what do u mean saying my os i can't do this ?	18:30
pafnow	alex_: which os ?	18:30
alex_	drag and drop	18:30
pafnow	and with the terminal ?	18:30
alex_	op ctrl+c and ctrl+v	18:30
Mamarok	alex_: you should use wget	18:30
alex_	with the terminal it works	18:30
Mamarok	what os are you talking about?	18:30
alex_	but just for the files with codes	18:31
alex_	like .php, .txt	18:31
pafnow	what is the owner of the folder /var/www ?	18:31
alex_	on my computer i have one user	18:31
alex_	alex	18:31
alex_	that's me	18:31
pafnow	yes but	18:31
alex_	i cant log as root	18:32
pafnow	when u type ls -l in /var what do u have ?	18:32
alex_	if i write over the terminal su -root	18:32
pafnow	if u use ubuntu, the root access is desactivated	18:32
pafnow	u have to use sudo	18:32
Mamarok	alex_: Kubuntu doesn't use su, use sudo	18:32
alex_	and i write my password in pass field	18:32
alex_	i made update over kubuntu 9.04	18:32
alex_	or ubuntu	18:33
alex_	ubuntu,i'm pretty sure	18:33
pafnow	alex_: when u type ls -l in /var what do u have ?	18:33
alex_	at first install ihave kiwi	18:33
Mamarok	alex_: please answer the question	18:33
alex_	lets see	18:33
pafnow	# ls -l /Var	18:33
pafnow	# ls -l /var	18:33
Mamarok	pafnow: you are repeating yourself :)	18:34
pafnow	Mamarok: i made a mistake with MAJ	18:34
alex_	ls: invalid option -- '/'	18:34
alex_	and it send me to see the help for comand ls	18:35
pafnow	but repetition is mother of knoledge	18:35
Mamarok	alex_: are you in a terminal as user? the ls command is always valid	18:35
alex_	yes i'm a user	18:35
pafnow	what do u type exactyl ?	18:35
Mamarok	well, then check you did type correctly	18:35
alex_	what u write over here	18:35
alex_	ls -l/var	18:35
pafnow	# ls -l /var ?	18:35
alex_	just this	18:35
pafnow	and the space ?	18:35
alex_	yes	18:35
Mamarok	lexthere is a space before the /	18:36
alex_	oh, sorry	18:36
pafnow	between l and /	18:36
alex_	without #	18:36
pafnow	yes	18:36
alex_	i've typed ls -l/var	18:36
Mamarok	alex_: please type ls -l /var	18:37
alex_	without space between l and /var	18:37
pafnow	lol	18:37
alex_	ok	18:37
Mamarok	and tell us if you have permission to use that folder	18:37
pafnow	i have to go	18:37
pafnow	good luck	18:37
Mamarok	anyway, I have to run, cu all	18:37
Mamarok	oops, both of us?	18:37
pafnow	it seems	18:37
pafnow	i go to the theater	18:37
pafnow	:p	18:37
Mamarok	well, Saturday evening here, that's why :)	18:38
pafnow	yeap	18:38
Mamarok	pafnow: enjoy then :)	18:38
pafnow	good evening	18:38
alex_	drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-07-18 01:32 backups	18:38
alex_	drwxr-xr-x 20 root root 4096 2009-07-18 18:15 cache	18:38
pafnow	Mamarok: u too	18:38
alex_	drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-10-24 08:57 crash	18:38
alex_	drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-10-29 19:39 games	18:38
alex_	drwxr-xr-x 63 root root 4096 2009-07-18 18:15 lib	18:38
FloodBotK1	alex_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.	18:38
alex_	drwxrwsr-x 2 root staff 4096 2008-10-20 15:27 local	18:38
_abbenormal	have fun be safe and thanks Mamarok	18:38
Mamarok	alexei: stop!	18:38
pafnow	just the line with www ;)	18:38
Mamarok	alex_: please don't paste in the channel, you should only tell us if you have permissions or not, and you don't	18:39
alex_	drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2009-07-18 19:04 www	18:39
Mamarok	alex_: stop!	18:39
alex_	ok, man	18:39
Mamarok	alex_: we didn't ask you to post the output, only to see if you have permission	18:39
Mamarok	and you don't, so of course you can't write in that folder	18:40
alex_	ok, i understand	18:40
alex_	so what can i do	18:40
alex_	to have the permision	18:40
alex_	because if i haven't how i use the apache server?	18:40
alex_	just creating the files over the terminal?	18:41
Mamarok	alex_: well, are you sure you known how to dminister a webserver? maybe some documentation reading would be good before you start	18:41
Mamarok	administer*	18:41
alex_	before to use the ubuntu OS	18:42
alex_	i've used windows	18:42
dwidmann_	Linux isn't Windows	18:43
alex_	and over that i knew what to do	18:43
alex_	i know	18:43
Mamarok	alex_: well, there is documentation about lamp available:	18:43
Mamarok	!lamp \| alex_	18:43
ubottu	alex_: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)	18:43
Mamarok	and you really should read before you do something	18:43
Captain_Haddock	There's also #apache	18:43
alex_	ok	18:43
Mamarok	Captain_Haddock: I don't think this is a good idea, they will send him to read the docu anyway	18:43
alex_	thanks alot	18:43
Mamarok	alex_: you are welcome	18:43
alex_	i understand	18:44
alex_	no problem	18:44
Captain_Haddock	Mamarok: well, that's what he should be doing and where he should be asking	18:44
Mamarok	alex_: we are here to help you if the docu is not enough or if something doesn't work, but you will have to read things yourself	18:44
alex_	another thing	18:45
alex_	on virtual machine	18:45
alex_	how i do to see the shared folders over the OS	18:45
Captain_Haddock	alex_: Please try and type your question all in one line :)	18:45
alex_	ok	18:46
Captain_Haddock	Which virtual machine? Which OS?	18:46
Mamarok	alex_: also telling us which virtual OS you are talking about might help	18:46
alex_	in virtual machine how i do to see the shared folders over the OS ?	18:46
alex_	windows	18:46
alex_	in my country many people work with this	18:46
alex_	and i steel keep windows for college	18:47
alex_	and i want to share the folders on the linux thru windows	18:47
Captain_Haddock	alex: Linux <-> Windows sharing _in Linux_ is usually accomplished using samba	18:47
Captain_Haddock	!samba	18:47
ubottu	Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.	18:47
Mamarok	alex_: well, not everybody needs windows	18:47
alex_	u're right	18:48
alex_	but tell this to my teachers	18:48
alex_	:p	18:48
marsel	:)	18:49
_abbenormal	hey magical	18:49
_abbenormal	hey marsel	18:49
marsel	hey	18:49
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sathish	hi	18:55
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_abbenormal	hey sathish_	18:56
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_abbenormal	is there an easy way to remove xine from 9.0.4	18:57
_abbenormal	i need to rebuild it for vdpau support	18:57
_abbenormal	google is not helping today	18:57
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Brian__	just installed kubuntu again. i hope my wifi works	19:05
Brian__	anyone talk in here	19:07
_abbenormal	yes	19:08
Brian__	ok ive running into a problem when i try to download new plasma widgets, everytime it says installation failed-	19:09
Brian__	when i goto add widgets then install new widjets, then download new plasma widgets	19:10
Brian__	hello	19:12
miglo	since my upgrade to 9.04 the automatic dial in during the boot procedure does not work anymore	19:35
miglo	I have used pppoeconf to recreate everthing but this also did not help	19:36
miglo	I had no such problems after all the upgrades I did befor	19:37
miglo	now, I have to start the dial-in procedure each time after login manually :-(	19:38
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CSS_Guru	is Java one of the Linux programming languages?	19:55
fritzisonline	hi bazhang and avihay, i solved the problem this morning.	19:56
CSS_Guru	fritz aka Adam?	19:57
fritzisonline	no.	19:57
CSS_Guru	german?	19:57
CSS_Guru	my real name is Rolf, im German too	19:58
fritzisonline	i'm the jaunty jackal	19:58
CSS_Guru	im a jaunty Jackson 5	19:58
fritzisonline	if you enter lots of lines in hosts file manually, networkmanager tries to reformat the file ...	19:58
fritzisonline	and makes huge sized debugging file which like never stops growing	19:59
CSS_Guru	what's the top programming language for linux?	20:00
fritzisonline	whenever i tried to login the debugging process keeps working	20:00
fritzisonline	so i had to remove that 905Mb file manually and reset the hosts file again.	20:00
fritzisonline	voila	20:00
yesitisjustme	when i try to run googleearth the screen turns black anyone know what is wrong?	20:01
fritzisonline	CSS_Guru: nice to meet you i'm from hasselt limburg	20:02
fritzisonline	have you been there	20:02
CSS_Guru	ich bin berlina	20:03
CSS_Guru	neun und achtzig	20:06
twoheadedboy	could someone help me set up wireless in 9.04 on my laptop? I've looked at guides and tried both native and windows drivers and can't seem to get it to work. I've previously set up wireless on this laptop in linux before but not in this install	20:06
navneet	hello	20:09
navneet	i want to run ultamatix on ubuntu ultimate	20:09
navneet	but it stops working when tries for internet connection	20:10
navneet	anyone help plzzzz	20:11
navneet	ping	20:12
navneet	?	20:12
twoheadedboy	anyone?	20:16
barbapa	hello	20:25
barbapa	The deposit "Neon project" is only for the last Amarok? No souci with (the perfect) KDE 4.3 RC2?	20:26
barbapa	sure, I don't want to break my system :)	20:27
barbapa	so I ask before...	20:27
vtorsaraiva	uau	20:28
twoheadedboy	can anyone help me get wireless to work in 9.04? here's my lshw -C network output: http://www.pastey.net/117748	20:29
vtorsaraiva	this chat is for what?	20:29
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bw-tech	hi I have both gnome and kde installed, but using gnome, it boots much faster, is there a way to speed up the boot time when using kde this is on jaunty.	20:38
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darthanubis	anyone elses plasmoids for temps reading F instead of C?	20:41
caporal	hello	20:55
caporal	kko	20:55
patarok	hello	21:07
patarok	i have 4 blocked updates ? what can i do to "un"block them?	21:08
CrOnOs	hi whats the topic now?	21:09
Arcolinux	hey i have a problem	21:24
Arcolinux	when i tri to attacha file in gmail or yahoo and said attach file to choose one file suddenly the window closes	21:25
Arcolinux	please help me	21:25
Arcolinux	in konsole the result is	21:26
Arcolinux	"segmentation fault"	21:26
Arcolinux	any idea????	21:26
Dragnslcr	patarok- you can install them from Konsole with "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"	21:26
Arcolinux	hheeeeyyyy	21:27
Arcolinux	#ubuntu	21:30
darthanubis	accurate sensor plasmoid	21:39
darthanubis	anyone know of any?	21:39
Arcolinux	help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee	21:39
darthanubis	Mine seem to be accurate but showing "F" instead of "C"	21:39
darthanubis	Arcolinux: that is not how it works	21:40
Arcolinux	i m so dessesperate with that problem	21:40
darthanubis	that's fine but fon't become a troll	21:40
darthanubis	don't	21:40
darthanubis	!patience	21:40
ubottu	Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience	21:40
Arcolinux	i think i m gonna give up with linux	21:42
Arcolinux	back to windows again	21:43
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darthanubis	Arcolinux: take care	21:48
sharif	How to know current Hostname of Ubuntu Machine	21:48
sharif	?	21:48
Arcolinux	the problem is that it doesnt let me do absuluttely nothing	21:49
darthanubis	cat /etc/hostname	21:49
darthanubis	Arcolinux: Ok well boot into Windows7. You'll feel ess frustrated	21:49
darthanubis	less	21:49
sharif	Thanks darthanubis	21:50
barbaros	hi , i could not install firefox kubuntu	21:50
darthanubis	barbaros: I could	21:50
Arcolinux	windows 7 is better tahn linux	21:50
Arcolinux	jajajajajajjajajaja	21:50
darthanubis	Arcolinux: use it then	21:51
Captain_Haddock	Arcolinux: please grow up and then come back.	21:51
darthanubis	no one here will be mad or notice your departure	21:51
Arcolinux	jajajajaja	21:51
Arcolinux	how old are you??? 13???? jajajajajajajaja fuck you	21:51
darthanubis	tombstone him	21:51
darthanubis	Arcolinux: goodbye:)	21:52
darthanubis	!language	21:52
ubottu	Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.	21:52
darthanubis	we attract the worst of the worst users	21:54
darthanubis	lusers	21:54
aaron_	can somebody help me figure out why I get junk on my screen in jaunty? I'm using the intel driver with a g45 and even without compositing there are lots of graphical problem...	22:01
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compilerwriter	If one is get a .run file via ftp from the command line one needs to set the mode to binary doesn't one. I haven't done and ftp from the command line in years.	22:04
aaron_	compilerwriter: you can check if it's executable by using ls -l. If there's an x in... I forget which slot, then you should be able to run it	22:06
compilerwriter	Thanks aaron_ what I was getting at was does one need to set the ftp transfer mode to binary when one is making the transfer? I did set it that way and so far the package is running nicely with /bin/sh we shall see I guess.	22:08
aaron_	compilerwriter: sorry, I don't know :-(	22:08
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compilerwriter	I only very vaguely remember things like uuencode and command line ftp stuff.	22:08
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aaron_	compilerwriter: it has to be on the command line? KDE has an ftp protocol you can use from konqueror or dolphin, I believe	22:09
compilerwriter	it does if KDE is working for you aaron_; but sometimes, when that is the problem one is trying to fix, one must do things the old fashioned way.	22:11
compilerwriter	Come to think of it an old fashioned would be quite refreshing about now. I have been pulling out what is left of my hair for an hour now.	22:12
compilerwriter	aaron_ every once in a while you have to go old school. Tow truck drivers actually have to sling badly damaged cars once in a while.	22:14
aaron_	compilerwriter: good luck :-)	22:15
zenior	alguien habla español	22:16
zenior	@join	22:17
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compilerwriter	!es zenior	22:18
ubottu	Sorry, I don't know anything about es zenior	22:18
aaron_	!es	22:18
ubottu	En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.	22:18
compilerwriter	!es	22:18
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compilerwriter	forgot the blasted pipe.	22:19
compilerwriter	!es \| zenior	22:19
ubottu	zenior: En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.	22:19
compilerwriter	Thanks aaron_	22:20
sharif	How to restart apache and php5 and mysql from terminal	22:20
compilerwriter	about to do a restart now. We shall see how it turns out.	22:20
aaron_	no problem	22:20
aaron_	sharif: I'm not sure but I think you can do with /etc/init.d/apache restart	22:20
aaron_	or something similar...	22:20
sharif	Thanks, how about mysql and php	22:21
aaron_	it should be a similar line for each	22:22
aaron_	/etc/init.d/mysql restart	22:22
aaron_	I'm not sure where you get the actual names from	22:22
chatman	php doesn't need to be restarted - apache restart does it	22:22
compilerwriter	sharif: you might find it useful to do an /etc/init.d/whatever stop and then do an /etc/init.d/whatever start. That way you are certain things did indeed get fresh instantiations.	22:23
sharif	must write sudo first	22:23
compilerwriter	that or do all three after a sudo su sharif	22:23
sharif	sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart	22:24
sharif	that works :) thanks :)	22:24
compilerwriter	I have thus far successfully struck the F1 key to continue. The machine has not blown up yet.	22:25
sharif	but for apache	22:25
sharif	sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart	22:25
sharif	sudo: /etc/init.d/apache: command not found	22:25
aaron_	try /etc/init.d/apache2 restart	22:25
aaron_	with sudo :-)	22:25
* compilerwriter hopes that he might be pouring a snifter of napoleon and lighting a cuban robust soon.		22:25
compilerwriter	s/robust/robusto	22:25
* compilerwriter notices the progress bar is progressing nicely; thinks perhaps he may well have got it this time.		22:26
* compilerwriter casts his eyes up to the heavens and crosses himself.		22:27
sharif	do you know how to protect PHP script ?	22:28
sharif	with ubuntu ?	22:28
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tahirh	hello everyone	22:28
sharif	hello	22:29
* compilerwriter mutters curses, oaths, and epithets sotto voce. Wrong damned driver version loaded.		22:29
tahirh	hello sharif	22:29
compilerwriter	hello tahirh	22:30
tahirh	does anyone know know the main logs that should be checked for system administration of a linux machine?	22:31
bernardlychan	anyone know how to have just the dektop on one screen (i have laptop and monitor). it was fine with gnu before but cant do it with kde.	22:31
tahirh	hello compilerwriter	22:31
bernardlychan	anyone know how to have just the dektop on one screen (i have laptop and monitor). it was fine with gnu before but cant do it with kde.	22:32
* compilerwriter curses once again		22:32
aaron_	tahirh: /var/log/syslog seems to have lots of stuff in it...	22:32
user__	hallo	22:33
llutz	tahirh: auth.log, syslog, messages, daemon.log	22:33
aaron_	can somebody help me figure out why I get junk on my screen in jaunty? I'm using the intel driver with a g45 and even without compositing there are lots of graphical problems	22:34
tahirh	but what does each set of logs show? I am just looking for the main ones for sys admininstration.	22:35
tahirh	They all seem to be located in /var/log/	22:37
llutz	tahirh: they are, that's the place logs have to be	22:38
tahirh	If my computer crashes and I have to power it down and then restart it. Which log shows the reason for the shutdown (the cause) after the restart?	22:39
tahirh	llutz are all logs always kept in /var/log ??	22:40
llutz	tahirh: systemwide logs should be there, yes	22:40
tahirh	so application logs though could be somewhere else?	22:41
compilerwriter	tahirh they can be kept wherever you want them to be kept in most instances. You may have to tweak the settings of the individual programs a bit though.	22:42
compilerwriter	tahirh: I personally would want my system logs and application logs kept in at least two distinct folders though.	22:43
tahirh	thanks for that	22:44
tahirh	but which log shows why a system is forced to shut down? or are there more than one set of logs to be checked for that?	22:45
compilerwriter	tahirh: often the default for a program that has logs is to keep it in the programs directory	22:45
tahirh	okay.	22:46
tahirh	i have read that everything in linux is a file. But what about a process, a daemon, that is not a file is it?? I am confused by that.	22:47
tahirh	Is a daemon a file too?	22:47
zorael_	tahirh: numerical directories in /proc correspond to your running processes	22:50
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compilerwriter	tahirh: a daemon is not a file	22:51
compilerwriter	a daemon is usually a process	22:51
compilerwriter	!daemon \| compilerwriter	22:51
ubottu	Sorry, I don't know anything about daemon	22:51
tahirh	so not everything in linux is a file?	22:51
tahirh	daemons are not files.	22:52
Zorael	there's a UNIX ideal to have everything be represented as a file, but not everything is.	22:52
compilerwriter	tahirh your monitor is a file, your printer is a file, your scanner is a file, your keyboard and mouse are files, but running programs are not files.	22:53
tahirh	Okay so in Linux there are processes and files.	22:53
bri	hi all im really new to kubntu and am just maessing about trying to get the hand of things but every time i try to change screen saver it says Directory does not exist: "/usr/share/backgrounds"	22:54
tahirh	Just those two things.	22:54
bri	any ideas on how to resolve it please	22:54
compilerwriter	tahirh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(computer_software) will explain daemons to you.	22:54
compilerwriter	Daemons handle things like printer ques and disk management etc.	22:56
aaron_	does anybody know if there will be an updated intel driver in karmic? One that might fix the graphics problems I'm having?	22:57
tahirh	Thanks compilerwriter	22:58
compilerwriter	tahirh: I hope that has proven helpful.	22:59
tahirh	It has but I have more questions .... can there be more than one root user on a machine? like root1 and root2?	23:00
tahirh	so you can log what root1 has done and root2 has done separately if you see what I mean.	23:00
compilerwriter	tahirh: Yes there can be more than one person who is allowed to have root powers. In *buntu flavors though one rarely is actually root. One borrows root powers via sudo to do most things. Every once in a while when I have a lot of root user tasks I will sudo su which in essence logs me in as root.	23:01
compilerwriter	tahirh: that saves me the trouble of typing sudo in front of everything I do. and then typing a password.	23:02
tahirh	but can you create a root2 account with the same powers and privileges as root?	23:03
compilerwriter	Yes one can, tahirh, but one really should not.	23:03
tahirh	and with a different password. Is that a good thing to do when you have two sysadmins using the one machine?	23:03
tahirh	but what about when you have two sysadmins. And you want to log what each one does on the one machine??	23:04
compilerwriter	it becomes a security hole to have one root account much less two. There probably is a way to see which sudoer did what, but that is something I have never ventured into.	23:04
compilerwriter	!sudoer	23:05
ubottu	Sorry, I don't know anything about sudoer	23:05
tahirh	thanks compilewriter!	23:07
llutz	tahirh: read "man sudoers", specially the part with "logname". configure sudo and use logging to see what every "root" did	23:07
llutz	tahirh: and btw, "root" is just a name, UID 0 has the power :)	23:08
tahirh	llutz: that would log the time and what root did But not what each person did. So that does not give an audit trail of what each user did.	23:08
tahirh	i.e as what each person did	23:09
Arv3n	Hrm.	23:09
tahirh	therefore can't connect the person to the commands that they ran.	23:09
compilerwriter	Kind of ironic that the big 0 has the power llutz	23:10
llutz	compilerwriter: it's like real-life :(	23:11
llutz	tahirh: you're looking for stuff like "whowatch"	23:12
Arv3n	does the enemy territory quake wars demo have multiplayer?	23:13
Arv3n	i wanna test it before i buy it. =/	23:13
tahirh	llutz: thanks that helps a bit	23:15
tahirh	Another question, people talk about "attack vectors" . Do people view ssh as an attack vector on Linux?	23:17
Dragnslcr	tahirh- mostly only if you have obvious usernames and weak passwords	23:18
Dragnslcr	fail2ban is a real handy utility to take care of brute-force attacks	23:19
tahirh	is a dictionary attack a type of brute force attack?	23:19
Dragnslcr	tahirh- yeah, usually an attacker would use a dictionary to try to go for the more likely passwords first	23:22
tahirh	why does brute force or a dictionary attack work when normally a system would stop the attacker after 3 password attempt and lock them out?	23:24
Dragnslcr	Because you need something else to do the lock out	23:24
tahirh	How can a program try thousands of names and words - why does the lock out then not work after a few attempts?	23:25
Dragnslcr	sshd won't do that by itself, and obviously there are enough servers out there that don't have a lock-out policy to make brute force attacks worth the attempt	23:25
tahirh	so it is because the sysadmins are careless and do not implement a lock out policy on their machines?	23:26
tahirh	that is stupid.	23:27
Dragnslcr	Pretty much, yeah	23:27
Dragnslcr	Especially since there are good utilities (fail2ban is probably the most popular) to do it for you	23:28
tahirh	so Dragnslcr you just install fail2ban on a server and let it take care of things for you?	23:29
Dragnslcr	You have to configure it a bit, but yeah	23:30
tahirh	how can an attacker gain root status if he can only ssh in as a normal user?	23:31
llutz	tahirh: take an ubuntu-system: no root, 1.user-passwd == root-passwd	23:32
Dragnslcr	Plenty of ways. Could use some local privilege elevation exploit	23:33
tahirh	llutz: so it is best practice to set up a root account as well as a normal account. But I think that is standard in Ubuntu hence sudo for privileged status?	23:34
Dragnslcr	No, you don't usually need a root password	23:34
tahirh	Dragnslcr: if the system is patched then is the privilege escalation unlikely?	23:34
Dragnslcr	You should always use normal accounts and sudo	23:35
tahirh	Dragnslcr: you don't need a root passwd because the user passwd=root-passwd?	23:35
Dragnslcr	I would say it's best to assume that a determined attacker can find a local exploit to use if they get access, so you should do everything you can to prevent unauthorized access	23:36
Dragnslcr	Not quite. sudo uses the user's password. There is no root password at all	23:36
tahirh	Can I disable sudo and just use su?	23:37
llutz	tahirh: you can	23:37
tahirh	llutz: is that good practice?	23:37
llutz	tahirh: i think it's not recommended here, but standard in all other linux/bsd/unices	23:38
tahirh	But then how can I momentarily run something as root and then go back to normal user? "su passwd && command" would that work?	23:38
llutz	"man su"	23:39
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moz44	all:hello guys, I need help with the error: dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `postdrop' in statoverride file E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2). It occurs with anything i try to install via apt-get	23:39
tahirh	"su -c" i think from the manpage	23:40
Dragnslcr	tahirh- sudo has become standard practice in most *nix systems	23:40
Dragnslcr	tahirh- you run a command just by putting sudo in front of the command, e.g. "sudo nano /etc/somefile.conf"	23:41
llutz	Dragnslcr: sudo is common but not as root-replacement	23:41
Dragnslcr	For a desktop, always use kdesudo for KDE GUI programs	23:41
tahirh	Dragnslcr: there are machines I log onto which don't take sudo. I have to su over ssh which is not good I think.	23:41
Dragnslcr	tahirh- depends entirely on how the server is set up	23:42
Dragnslcr	llutz- yeah, the root account is usually still enabled, but from my experience, using it is generally discouraged in favor of sudo	23:42
tahirh	I would like to use su command like sudo command i.e briefly to run the command and then go back to being the normal user again.	23:43
Dragnslcr	Obviously not everyone has switched to sudo, but I think it's a fairly steady migration	23:43
moz44	hello guys, I need help with the error: dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `postdrop' in statoverride file E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2). Any ideas?	23:43
Dragnslcr	tahirh- you just use sudo to run commands. You don't have to worry about going back to your normal user account afterwards	23:44
Gerlof	hi all	23:44
pafnow	hi	23:44
Gerlof	how can i install flash mixrosuck silverlight ?	23:44
Gerlof	- sudo apt-get ..	23:45
Dragnslcr	!info flashplugin-installer \| Gerlof	23:45
ubottu	Gerlof: flashplugin-installer (source: flashplugin-nonfree): Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10.0.22.87ubuntu2 (jaunty), package size 18 kB, installed size 176 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia)	23:45
Gerlof	ok thx	23:45
tahirh	Dragnslcr: I can't on some machines cos it says "I am not in the sudoers file"	23:45
llutz	Dragnslcr: i see something like "ALL=(ALL) ALL" in sudoers as a securityhole. sudo is usefull to grant limited access to _some_ commands for a smal group of users, but imho not made for general admin-usage	23:46
pafnow	Gerlof: http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight	23:46
Gerlof	ok	23:46
Dragnslcr	tahirh- then you need some other way to get root access to add yourself to the sudoers file	23:46
tahirh	so I have to "su" to get access i.e become root	23:46
pafnow	Gerlof: http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/	23:46
Gerlof	sudo is good	23:46
Gerlof	then ask for pass > ok	23:47
pafnow	Gerlof: i suceeded with these two links	23:47
Dragnslcr	llutz- if you're in a company, though, you can use sudo to give people root access without having to give them the root password, which makes things easier when people leave the company	23:47
llutz	Dragnslcr: that's what sudo was made for	23:48
Dragnslcr	As with everything else, there really isn't a "X is always best"	23:49
Arv3n	who else is using kde 4.3?	23:50
pafnow	Arv3n: me	23:50
Dragnslcr	I would recommend using sudo all the time just because it's usually better, so it's a good habit to get into. If someone that knows what they're doing doesn't want to use it, though, I'll trust them to know what's best for their specific situation	23:50
tahirh	Thanks guys. How can I enable sudo for people without giving away root passwd?	23:50
Dragnslcr	tahirh- you use visudo to edit the sudoers file	23:50
tahirh	visudo /etc/sudoers. And then I add the "user" to ALL=(ALL) ALL	23:51
Dragnslcr	Just "visudo"	23:52
Dragnslcr	Or "sudo visudo" if you aren't already root	23:52
Arv3n	check out my dark desktop: http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/xArv3nx/snapshot2-3.jpg	23:52
Arv3n	its funny, it only took a few minutes to come up with	23:53
Arv3n	theming is not gnomes strong point :<	23:53
tahirh	I did sudo visudo but got "not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported."	23:53
tahirh	I think I have to be su	23:54
tahirh	But is not a risk giving users sudo powers?	23:55
llutz	sure it is	23:55
tahirh	So it is a no no then really :)	23:56
tahirh	too risky	23:56
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llutz	tahirh: give only those rights, people really need to have and only to those who need	23:57
tahirh	what if they need them but can't have them because it is too risky as they could potentially wipe everything out as there are crossmounts everywhere?	23:58
tahirh	what would you do in that situation?	23:58

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